Comments on: Pregnant Transgender Man on Oprah http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/ Stylish celebrity escapism Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:24:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Joe http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16629 Joe Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:18:56 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16629 Just because she was able to dupe a state into labeling her a man, doesn't make it so. Men cannot get pregnant, period. What a joke!! Just because she was able to dupe a state into labeling her a man, doesn’t make it so. Men cannot get pregnant, period. What a joke!!

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]]> By: Joe http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17115 Joe Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:18:56 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17115 Just because she was able to dupe a state into labeling her a man, doesn't make it so. Men cannot get pregnant, period. What a joke!! Just because she was able to dupe a state into labeling her a man, doesn’t make it so. Men cannot get pregnant, period. What a joke!!

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]]> By: Susan http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16628 Susan Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:35:58 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16628 Rachel - in no way am I talking about ideals. Ideals are about perfection, and morality is about responsibility and "right" social conduct. To avoid entering into a debate about the essential subjective/relative quality of morality that fundamentally makes it impossible to make universal truth claims, let me just clarify that from your own viewpoint, safety is a moral issue: "getting synthetic hormones injected into himself, and getting surgery to remove his breasts, is just the beginning of a slippery slope of genetic modification that I don't want to even know what that can lead to!" Clearly, you are concerned about the safety of genetic modification, alongside its ethical questions. Which is why I responded especially to your comment about birth control, as it is contradictory to associate it with genetic modification --the safety of which you question -- and not consider its safety in determining your moral stance on it. Finally, I felt it was important that you not assume sythetic meant dangerous, as there are obviously natural things that are dangerous and synthetic things that are safe. Anyways, I'm not here to castigate your opinions, and especially not your own moral viewpoints. I've only intended to respond to an interesting dialogue, so I hope you haven't taken offense to my comments. Rachel - in no way am I talking about ideals. Ideals are about perfection, and morality is about responsibility and “right” social conduct. To avoid entering into a debate about the essential subjective/relative quality of morality that fundamentally makes it impossible to make universal truth claims, let me just clarify that from your own viewpoint, safety is a moral issue:

“getting synthetic hormones injected into himself, and getting surgery to remove his breasts, is just the beginning of a slippery slope of genetic modification that I don’t want to even know what that can lead to!”

Clearly, you are concerned about the safety of genetic modification, alongside its ethical questions. Which is why I responded especially to your comment about birth control, as it is contradictory to associate it with genetic modification –the safety of which you question — and not consider its safety in determining your moral stance on it.

Finally, I felt it was important that you not assume sythetic meant dangerous, as there are obviously natural things that are dangerous and synthetic things that are safe.

Anyways, I’m not here to castigate your opinions, and especially not your own moral viewpoints. I’ve only intended to respond to an interesting dialogue, so I hope you haven’t taken offense to my comments.

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]]> By: Susan http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17114 Susan Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:35:58 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17114 Rachel - in no way am I talking about ideals. Ideals are about perfection, and morality is about responsibility and "right" social conduct. To avoid entering into a debate about the essential subjective/relative quality of morality that fundamentally makes it impossible to make universal truth claims, let me just clarify that from your own viewpoint, safety is a moral issue: "getting synthetic hormones injected into himself, and getting surgery to remove his breasts, is just the beginning of a slippery slope of genetic modification that I don't want to even know what that can lead to!" Clearly, you are concerned about the safety of genetic modification, alongside its ethical questions. Which is why I responded especially to your comment about birth control, as it is contradictory to associate it with genetic modification --the safety of which you question -- and not consider its safety in determining your moral stance on it. Finally, I felt it was important that you not assume sythetic meant dangerous, as there are obviously natural things that are dangerous and synthetic things that are safe. Anyways, I'm not here to castigate your opinions, and especially not your own moral viewpoints. I've only intended to respond to an interesting dialogue, so I hope you haven't taken offense to my comments. Rachel - in no way am I talking about ideals. Ideals are about perfection, and morality is about responsibility and “right” social conduct. To avoid entering into a debate about the essential subjective/relative quality of morality that fundamentally makes it impossible to make universal truth claims, let me just clarify that from your own viewpoint, safety is a moral issue:

“getting synthetic hormones injected into himself, and getting surgery to remove his breasts, is just the beginning of a slippery slope of genetic modification that I don’t want to even know what that can lead to!”

Clearly, you are concerned about the safety of genetic modification, alongside its ethical questions. Which is why I responded especially to your comment about birth control, as it is contradictory to associate it with genetic modification –the safety of which you question — and not consider its safety in determining your moral stance on it.

Finally, I felt it was important that you not assume sythetic meant dangerous, as there are obviously natural things that are dangerous and synthetic things that are safe.

Anyways, I’m not here to castigate your opinions, and especially not your own moral viewpoints. I’ve only intended to respond to an interesting dialogue, so I hope you haven’t taken offense to my comments.

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]]> By: Rachel http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16627 Rachel Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:09:47 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16627 Susan, you're arguing an irrelevant point. I wasn't talking about what was safe or not, but for the record, I don't take aspirin either! Also Susan, lots of things that are "freedoms" are also moral issues. For instance abortions, a lot of woman think that this is a freedom, but it is also clearly a moral issue (no matter what side your stance is on) Also, when you're talking about Morals, you're talking about ideals. Where in, there wouldn't be unplanned children brought into an overpopulated world. Susan, you’re arguing an irrelevant point. I wasn’t talking about what was safe or not, but for the record, I don’t take aspirin either!

Also Susan, lots of things that are “freedoms” are also moral issues. For instance abortions, a lot of woman think that this is a freedom, but it is also clearly a moral issue (no matter what side your stance is on)

Also, when you’re talking about Morals, you’re talking about ideals. Where in, there wouldn’t be unplanned children brought into an overpopulated world.

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]]> By: Rachel http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17113 Rachel Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:09:47 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17113 Susan, you're arguing an irrelevant point. I wasn't talking about what was safe or not, but for the record, I don't take aspirin either! Also Susan, lots of things that are "freedoms" are also moral issues. For instance abortions, a lot of woman think that this is a freedom, but it is also clearly a moral issue (no matter what side your stance is on) Also, when you're talking about Morals, you're talking about ideals. Where in, there wouldn't be unplanned children brought into an overpopulated world. Susan, you’re arguing an irrelevant point. I wasn’t talking about what was safe or not, but for the record, I don’t take aspirin either!

Also Susan, lots of things that are “freedoms” are also moral issues. For instance abortions, a lot of woman think that this is a freedom, but it is also clearly a moral issue (no matter what side your stance is on)

Also, when you’re talking about Morals, you’re talking about ideals. Where in, there wouldn’t be unplanned children brought into an overpopulated world.

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]]> By: Gracie http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16626 Gracie Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:45:30 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16626 If you are born with an ovary, and still have one, you're a woman. You may act like a man, look like one, and legally proclaim yourself one, but it doesn't matter. Someone wrote: "Scott F., sex and gender are two different things" Let me call BS on this. This was made up out of thin air back in the 70s. I'll be generous and say it's perhaps a hypothetical construct, but to toss it around like it's Truth is ridiculous. If you are born with an ovary, and still have one, you’re a woman. You may act like a man, look like one, and legally proclaim yourself one, but it doesn’t matter.

Someone wrote:
“Scott F., sex and gender are two different things”

Let me call BS on this. This was made up out of thin air back in the 70s. I’ll be generous and say it’s perhaps a hypothetical construct, but to toss it around like it’s Truth is ridiculous.

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]]> By: Gracie http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17112 Gracie Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:45:30 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17112 If you are born with an ovary, and still have one, you're a woman. You may act like a man, look like one, and legally proclaim yourself one, but it doesn't matter. Someone wrote: "Scott F., sex and gender are two different things" Let me call BS on this. This was made up out of thin air back in the 70s. I'll be generous and say it's perhaps a hypothetical construct, but to toss it around like it's Truth is ridiculous. If you are born with an ovary, and still have one, you’re a woman. You may act like a man, look like one, and legally proclaim yourself one, but it doesn’t matter.

Someone wrote:
“Scott F., sex and gender are two different things”

Let me call BS on this. This was made up out of thin air back in the 70s. I’ll be generous and say it’s perhaps a hypothetical construct, but to toss it around like it’s Truth is ridiculous.

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]]> By: mollination http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16625 mollination Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:02:16 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-16625 I'm late to this party! But I do want to point out, Scott F. did not say "being gay is wrong", someone else by the name "JustSaying" said that. I like the gattaca theory. I think our world is on the verge of a lot of sticky subjects but it will all blow up soon enough anyway, so let's not squabble over it! I’m late to this party!

But I do want to point out, Scott F. did not say “being gay is wrong”, someone else by the name “JustSaying” said that.

I like the gattaca theory. I think our world is on the verge of a lot of sticky subjects but it will all blow up soon enough anyway, so let’s not squabble over it!

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]]> By: mollination http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17111 mollination Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:02:16 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/10590/pregnant_transgender_man_on_oprah/#comment-17111 I'm late to this party! But I do want to point out, Scott F. did not say "being gay is wrong", someone else by the name "JustSaying" said that. I like the gattaca theory. I think our world is on the verge of a lot of sticky subjects but it will all blow up soon enough anyway, so let's not squabble over it! I’m late to this party!

But I do want to point out, Scott F. did not say “being gay is wrong”, someone else by the name “JustSaying” said that.

I like the gattaca theory. I think our world is on the verge of a lot of sticky subjects but it will all blow up soon enough anyway, so let’s not squabble over it!

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