Kaiser pointed me to this very bizarre rambling speech that Ashton Kutcher made while on the press junket for yet another P.O.S romcom he’s promoting. Somehow he got Natalie Portman to star with him in this mess, but that’s only going to drag Portman down during awards season. Anyway the movie is about f*ck buddies who probably end up falling in love (that’s not a spoiler if you’ve ever seen a romcom). Somehow Ashton started talking about the female orgasm and how girls should be taught in sex ed that it’s ok to get theirs. Honestly, I don’t know what to say about that. In theory it sounds ok, but how would that work in practice exactly, and how many parents would be outraged that their kids are being told sex is fun? (As if they hadn’t already figured that out.) Here’s what he said. Ashton started by discussing sex trafficking, as he and Demi have been trying to bring awareness to it, and then made an awkward transition into a discourse on the female orgasm:
“I think there’s so much that’s not said about sex in our country, even from an educational level. I do a lot of work on human trafficking, and I connect a lot with girls that end up in this trade, if you will. Partially because of a lack of education about sex in the country. Sometimes we get to make films that open things up that people can talk about, and one of the interesting things — I don’t want to veer off on a weird human trafficking thing, but — is that, especially for women in the sex education process in schools, the one thing they teach about is how to get pregnant or how to not get pregnant, but they don’t really talk about sex as a point of pleasure for women. The male orgasm is actually right there and readily available to learn about because it’s actually part of the reproductive cycle, but the female orgasm isn’t really talked about in the education system. Part of that creates a place where women aren’t empowered around their own sexuality and their own sexual selves, and from a purely entertainment point of view, to create a movie with a female lead that’s empowered with her own sexuality is a powerful thing. And if we can give teenage people something to think about from a sex perspective, I would say it would be to open a conversation where women are empowered with their own sexual experiences from an educational level as well as an entertainment level
[From Movieline]
To quote Kaiser: “What the hell?” Sure women should feel empowered about their sexuality, but it’s hard to see how that could be tied in to sex ed without stirring up a whole pot of sh*t. There’s already enough controversy over teaching kids the basics. And how does human trafficking tie into that at all? The more I hear from Ashton, the more unhinged he sounds. He told Men’s Fitness recently that he works out in order to be fit enough to save his family from Armageddon. And I suspect he’s discussed his very out-there theories with his co-star, Natalie Portman, because she made a joking reference to the end of the world in a recent interview with Access Hollywood. (Link leads to video.) The King of Twitter is a bit demented, and thanks to some sh*t movies he has a national platform for his wild ideas.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
teaching about orgasm??no thanks i’ve got enough of those 😆
That was such a bizarre ramble that I came away wondering if he thought that women involved in sex trafficing should be taught to enjoy it? He’s an idiot. I wonder if he’s had these conversations with Demi’s girls….
I kind of think Ashton is trying to show that he has a brain and it’s sort of backfiring and he is just coming across as a weirdo. It’s well meaning idea. It just wouldn’t work in a Junior High/High School Sex Ed structure. Especially since very little useful information is even allowed to be discussed right now in Sex Ed. I think it’s more a place for a college course in Human Sexuality or even better and more informative serious girl talks.
I think he’s a bit confused about what “Sex Education” means! At my school we had basic biology & contraception advice, then they split up the genders and talked to the girls (I obviously didn’t hear the boy talk!) about self-respect, loving relationships and kinda-off-the-record the cr*p boys will say to you to get into your knickers and how the deal with it. Our pregnancy rate was zero – that I know of – in the five years I was there.
No rubber, no bounce!!
He may have a national platform but that doesn’t mean we are listening.
He’s a moron. Isn’t this the same jackass that was yelping about all the oil we use and he drives some gigantic souped up truck?
After spending too much time re-reading what he said, I think he is trying to say that sex is only taught as an act to either procreate or avoid to girls. Since a man must climax to ejaculate, the sex process as taught in schools, only need pleasurable to males.
Interesting point I guess. However, I don’t think any parent and most teachers would want to discuss the pleasure of orgasms and sex in school. IMO that is something for parents to do and for individuals to learn for themselves.
This is a man who needs to keep a decent haircut.
Sadly, I realize he seems to believe his hotness is so epic that he can lack good grooming.
And I am tired of his need to be the “spokesperson” for what ever flaky rant he is on this week.
Though if he is so concern about the female orgasms, maybe that explains that random hookup he did with that girl. In Demi’s house. On her couch.
Maybe I’m a bit slow, but is this dufus trying to say that if more girls were educated early on about how to reach orgasm they wouldn’t end up being trafficked as sex slaves? And that all we need to solve the problem is a good rom-com with an empowered female role?
And Ashton, just in case you haven’t watched MTV lately, I think ‘teenage people’ have more than enough to think about from a sex perspective. Maybe too much. All we need now are ‘tweeners’ discussing their O faces while they shop for g-strings at Target.
when my hub was in college he took a human sexuality class & they showed two seperate films…albeit in clinical settings…teaching masturbation & climax for both sexes.
anyhoo…ashton please stfu.
Sure, lets also have a live performance to show them how it all works.
What a moron!
hahahahahah what the fuck.
i dont even know what to say… i just… wow ashton
way to empower women you go girl! 😉
actually this kind of pisses me off, as in women dont know how to climax unless we are educated on it.
I think Mr Demi Moore should just shut up because everything that comes out his and his equally tedious wife’s mouth is bullshit….
The ego that these people have is astounding and yeah-how the hell did he get Natalie Portman to be in a movie with him????
I wonder if Ashton can tell when Demi is having a real orgasm and when she is faking.
Oh whatever. Now, it’s been a while since I was in a sex ed class, but I only remember the male portion being explained in clinical, and not pleasurable, terms. And btw, I went to Catholic school where this was barely spoken of to begin with, and I’m plenty empowered when it comes to my sexuality. I doubt i’m a complete anomaly.
WTF does human trafficking have to do with this? I doubt many of those women were fully willing participants. For someone who seems to “work alot with” these people, he seems to think that being in control of your “o” will keep you out of the sex trade, never mind being kidnapped and forced into it.
@Arianna, maybe someone should tell him that women have plenty of orgasms, its just that our partners weren’t in the room at the same time.
Well, FINE THEN. Since all of you are missing your orgasms and NOT ready for the end of the world, I, Ashton Kutcher, take it upon myself to educate young tail, I mean er WOMEN (they like that) about orgasms. Demi? I already taught her, now I need to reach my target demographic.
I didnt bother to read that ramble but I get the take away point that NYCmom is also seeing behind/between his words. I actually didnt know the female orgasm wasnt discussed, although now I am not surprised it isnt, given the rest of the cultural attitude about sex. Just take a look at any p0rn, its all about the mans climax. Women are just the ‘thing’ by which he reaches the climax but rarely is a womans experience translated and portrayed or even relevant. So ok.
And its a sad reflection when it has to happen ‘without your partner in the room’ for women. Fairer coverage would benefit both parties.
The trailor for his new romcom is cringe-worthy. I can’t even watch it. It is awkward and he looks like the d-bag everyone is claiming he is.
If I was Natalie Portman, I would not be happy that I made this movie. It takes away from the serious actress persona she seems to be fronting.
Cheesy him and
Cheesy her
It’s kind of like Sarah Palin’s interview with Katie Couric… popular ideology and buzz words all jumbled together to sound like he is on top of the issues.
I have to give him credit for wearing a condom in that top photo but I question his choice of colors. It should be his twitter avatar.
They should just hire Taylor Momsen as substitute teacher.
In sex ed, girls should be taught to avoid narcissistic, ego inflated dudes like Ashton Kutcher
Is this what they’ve been discussing with Talullah Willis? That would explain a lot.
@Stronzilla…. LMFAO
I don’t remember ‘orgasms’ being taught in sex-ed for either sex. They talked about ‘ejaculation’ but I had no idea that sex was physically pleasurable for years and years after 5th grade sex-ed. So I never got the impression that it was all about the guy getting his. Then again, I think I was one of 2 kids in the entire school (the other being my best friend) who didn’t know what condoms were. Over 20yrs later I still remember getting laughed at when I thought the teacher meant ‘condominiums.’ What can I say? I was a late bloomer with old parents who didn’t talk about that kinda stuff. LoL
LOL He sounds like he’s parroting Demi Moore with all of her empowerment speeches I’ve heard from her.
Madonna did that at a time when it really was risque. Telling women you could own your sexuality. Remember Express Yourself. It was about female empowerment and speaking up about what you need not just sexually, but that is part of it. It’s about not accepting less in your relationship on any level.
I completely agree!
I don’t know what this crack-whore is yammering on about, but the one thing I always got from sex-ed (grades 4-10) is that pleasure from sex is strictly verboten and taboo. At least for the chick.
For once, I liked what he said 🙂
It’s not like dumbass Kelso actually gave an orgasm to a woman. It’s the fault of sex ed. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Ashton Kutcher looks like a girl…who cares what he thinks about ANYTHING.
This is the most intelligent thing to come out of his mouth ever. Im kind of impressed. We need to see this mature Ashton more versus the man child we usually get.
I clearly remember mens orgasm’s being talked about in sex ed and woman were BARELY talked about at all like we werent even part of the equation. They did cover birth control in detail but that was as detailed about women & sex as it got.
Ashton could do with some higher learning himself. He should go back to school, he could get some education, set a good example for his step daughters (and others) and quit making an ass out of himself with his half-baked theories.
Ashton, let me share some words of wisdom: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
While I’m not sure how to work info on sexual pleasure in the curriculum, considering our bizarre national adherence to “abstinence only” sex ed, I agree with what Ashton is saying. I work on a college campus, and some of the young women here believe they are sexually empowered, but their actions are all about pleasing/titillating the men in their lives. I could give multiple examples, but to keep this short, I do think educating girls that sex is supposed to be fun and pleasurable might help to prevent them from using sex to gain attention, affection, popularity, status, or any of the multiple reasons the young women I work with give for having (terrible) sex. Otherwise, as above posters mentioned, way too much (mis)information will come from porn. I’d rather risk TMI than have youngsters acting out Ass Bandits 12.
Ummmm we did.
I don’t know where it went, but my high school had a specific elective to talk about sex and family issues and yup orgasms were included in the teacher’s lesson plan, so we did talk about the topic and how trust is a part of the whole experience.
That class was amazing and I can’t imagine not taking it as a Senior in High School. The class was co-ed, and the guys learned lots about women!!
oh and yes it was/is a public school
I agree the human trafficking thing was an odd way to start the conversation, but I actually really appreciate what he said. I’m not entirely sure how school education can handle this or how that would work, but I do feel like he has a point.
@ Maigirl, thank you for saying this. I really appreciate it. I have tried many times here to get this point across, but have only been shot down. I suppsoe you said it better and have the ‘authority’ with your position, to say this is what you see. Glad ot hear someone else also notices what I do.
He says it very awkwardly but I don’t disagree – not the hows but the *that’s* should be taught. That it’s okay to enjoy it – and that it’s okay for women to insist that their enjoyment is important.
What’s really needed is ‘communication about sex’ education. How to communicate boundaries, talk about consent, interests, limits – that it’s okay (and important!) to say what you want and what you don’t want.
Jeri, actually he’s not dumb. He went to the University of Iowa for a few years planning to major in biomechanical engineering. He was approached for modeling and dropped out. Any engineering curriculum is pretty hard.
@teehee: Thanks for your perspective as well. Sometimes I think posters jump to conclusions before really reading and thinking about what’s being said. But I guess it is, after all, a gossip blog, so maybe spouting off is the nature of the beast 😀
Also, it’s difficult to deal with controversial issues like youth and sexuality. Parents get really weird and hypocritical about sex, but kids don’t grow up in a vacuum. They WILL get messages about sexuality, no matter what. I think if we just get real about it, we can help them make healthier, more intelligent, and more enjoyable choices.
Hmm. Well, was it was research he was doing then in that club hallway? Or perhaps a good deed? Teaching a young woman about an orgasm?
Sorry – feeling a bit snippy today. Heehee
I too think he’s most likely trying to echo all the “empowerment” stuff Demi constantly spouts.
And maybe it would sound better to me if it weren’t coming from a guy who’s most recent headlines were all about him allegedly cheating on his wife. Not very empowering.
Hasn’t anyone read/seen the Vagina Monologues? That alone should show you that female orgasm is such a taboo topic. That is what Ashton Kutcher was trying to say in a not so eloquent way.
This is a perfect example of what happens when you don’t ‘think’ before you talk. Sort of sounds like even *he* drifts ‘in & out’ (of listening to himself) while he’s talking.
The end of such a speech is usually always a pot of shit. (I’d compare it to the way a wasted/high person rambles.)
@Maigirl – I completely agree with you in that many women don’t learn about sex in a way that encourages them to enjoy it, or explain the ‘wrong’ reasons to use it. I just think Ashton is woefully unqualified to try to get that message across… as it comes out jumbled & unfortunately..odd.
@Teehee – Perhaps I just missed it, but I was under the impression that most of the people who post here were very liberal in that regard, agreeing that sex ed in schools (which focuses on ‘abstinence-only’) is really not cutting it. Sex is such a big part of life & culture (especially in the US media) that only teaching ‘clinical’ aspects is sending girls out into the world with ONLY movies & porn to draw from.
Hell, there’s worse things you could ramble on about. Get a grip folks, he’s talking about something fun! Orgasms aren’t destructive, they don’t hurt the earth, and I suspect he may be right because my recollection of sexuality research is that women are perfectly good at having orgasms, thank you very much, but don’t get nearly enough of them during sex with their partners. And I’ve had some questions from supposedly college-educated women that suggests the quality of sex ed is definitely lacking at least in some schools.
What the hell if he’s not eloquent about it.
If women realize they deserve their orgasms maybe they’ll go after their other needs in life too.
I don’t usually let irreverent celebrity quotes get under my skin, but I WILL say this to Ashton: don’t you think YOU should pay more attention to the issue / principle of marital fidelity instead of making awkward statements about women’s sexuality?
Stronzilla: “maybe someone should tell him that women have plenty of orgasms, its just that our partners weren’t in the room at the same time.”
Heehee! You’re onto something. It’s the MEN who need to be taught about female orgasms.
I think reading comprehension skills should be mandatory for writers.
He said “I don’t want to veer off on a weird human trafficking thing, but — ” — that’s his way of saying, “im totally going off topic from what I was just talking about” SO YEAH IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX SLAVERY. He was just adding his thoughts while they were on the topic of sex.
I am actually impressed. I rolled my eyes when I read the title but I was impressed.
His main point is that women SHOULD feel empowered to enjoy sex — and so many of you are calling him a moron for that??? You guys are the morons, really.
Annabelle, I was thinking the same thing.
I think he’s making a great point. And as a woman I appreciate it. It isn’t practical or realistic to think that a component on female sexuality could be added to sex education in schools, but the thought is a good one. I’m oddly impressed as well.
Next announcement on Twitter: Ashton Kutcher takes role as sex education teacher — and utilizes “the method” acting…..
@Annabelle (#50)- “His main point is that women SHOULD feel empowered to enjoy sex — and so many of you are calling him a moron for that??? You guys are the morons, really.”
I was never criticizing the subject matter, or the idea that women should enjoy their sexuality. I do give him credit for thinking that way, & not being afraid to actually say it.
I just think the *way* he presented the ideas could’ve used work. When it comes out so jumbled & random, it causes misunderstandings about what he’s really trying to say, which means the good message doesn’t *reach* a lot of people who would otherwise appreciate it.
I agree that the way he presented it was rambling and almost incoherent, but I do think it’s important to teach girls that their enjoyment is ok too.
I clearly remember feeling ashamed in high school when I enjoyed getting felt up – I thought I must have low self-esteem or something, because I had been taught that only girls with low self-esteem have sex. That girls only have sex because they are too inassertive (or peer pressured, or weak, or otherwise damaged) to say no – no girl was ever presented as having sex because she LIKED it. So I was totally shocked at my own reaction. And my parents weren’t even particularly weird about sex – it’s just the culture, and the messages we get about sex from all around us.
I think you can let girls know that it’s ok to enjoy it while still encouraging them to make good decisions – i.e, yes, it feels good, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t still risks to consider.
It is certainly refreshing to find a great little site such as this where we all can chat about private delemmas without having to worry about embarrassment. I’m sure some of my acquantenances will definitely be relieved after I tell them all about it as well