Comments on: Cardinal rips on Ricky Martin fathering twins by surrogate – with his cousin? http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/ Stylish celebrity escapism Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:13:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Benjamin Franklin http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-448023 Benjamin Franklin Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:21:42 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-448023 Maybe Ricky is gay, and wanted to give his mother and father grandchildren. If that were the case, this would make sense, and not be a sign that he was in some way a big egotist-though why his wanting children related to him would be more egotistical than that of normal married couples escapes me. Who has never heard of elderly parents asking their adult offspring when they are going to have kids, in a very hopeful way? Maybe Ricky is gay, and wanted to give his mother and father grandchildren. If that were the case, this would make sense, and not be a sign that he was in some way a big egotist-though why his wanting children related to him would be more egotistical than that of normal married couples escapes me. Who has never heard of elderly parents asking their adult offspring when they are going to have kids, in a very hopeful way?

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]]> By: gg http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-91169 gg Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:38:40 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-91169 Oh, don't get all foamed up again. The Point is: Think before you have kids. Don't have kids/adopt for any reasons other than noble ones. People frequently do not think before they get kids. But some do. Everybody is different. And vdantef, wtf are you even talking about??? Oh, don’t get all foamed up again. The Point is: Think before you have kids. Don’t have kids/adopt for any reasons other than noble ones.

People frequently do not think before they get kids. But some do. Everybody is different.

And vdantef, wtf are you even talking about???

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]]> By: Cindy Kennedy http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-89841 Cindy Kennedy Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:11:38 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-89841 I had a biological baby and could care less how "selfish" someone else thinks I am. It is incredibly arrogant to believe that anyone owes you an excuse or apology for having biological children. I feel no guilt at all for not adopting!!! I sleep just fine at night. I had a biological baby and could care less how “selfish” someone else thinks I am. It is incredibly arrogant to believe that anyone owes you an excuse or apology for having biological children.

I feel no guilt at all for not adopting!!! I sleep just fine at night.

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]]> By: Cindy Kennedy http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-89838 Cindy Kennedy Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:10:16 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-89838 Listen, Coonass, People do NOT have to adopt if they don't want to. I've researched adoption and even signed on with an adoption agency at one point. I came to the conclusion that the whole adoption industry sucks. Its a well organized, money-sucking scam. It exploits children as well as people who want kids. You can scream all day long about how "selfish" people are for giving birth to biological children, doing IVF, whatever. The fact is, YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE HOW THEY CREATE THEIR FAMILIES. Listen, Coonass, People do NOT have to adopt if they don’t want to. I’ve researched adoption and even signed on with an adoption agency at one point. I came to the conclusion that the whole adoption industry sucks. Its a well organized, money-sucking scam. It exploits children as well as people who want kids.

You can scream all day long about how “selfish” people are for giving birth to biological children, doing IVF, whatever. The fact is, YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE HOW THEY CREATE THEIR FAMILIES.

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]]> By: RAN http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-89833 RAN Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:01:03 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-89833 I very selfishly had two beautiful girls and one stepdaughter. I would welcome more of my own and would consider adopting children -- although the adoption thing is extremely selfish of me because I very selfishly want to help and love someone who needs help, love, and a good home. I just realized how selfish I am. :oops: I very selfishly had two beautiful girls and one stepdaughter. I would welcome more of my own and would consider adopting children — although the adoption thing is extremely selfish of me because I very selfishly want to help and love someone who needs help, love, and a good home.

I just realized how selfish I am. :oops:

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]]> By: daisy424 http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-89831 daisy424 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:55:12 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-89831 "Religion is sort of like a lift in your shoes. If it makes you feel better, fine. Just don't ask me to wear your shoes." [George Carlin] IMO he has the best slant on the Catholic religion.:wink: “Religion is sort of like a lift in your shoes. If it makes you feel better, fine. Just don’t ask me to wear your shoes.” [George Carlin]

IMO he has the best slant on the Catholic religion.:wink:

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]]> By: CoonAss http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-89817 CoonAss Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:35:37 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-89817 The icky comment was rude. End of story. However, comparing what Ricky Martin did to single WOmen who have ADOPTED is manipulative, dishonest or ignorant. Ricky Martin didn't adopt an unwanted child. Those single WOmen named in the article did. Comparing the two? Apples. Oranges. Having a child is NOT the most selfless thing a person can do. Adopting a child is. Having a child is one of the most selfISH things a person can do. Hell, many people can't even financially afford to take care of them. I have spent decades asking people to name one reason to have a child that ISN'T selfish. An extremely cynical and single person asked me the question once and I thought it was interesting, but then again, I majored in Psychology and Sociology. I have honest friends and every one of them admits that they can't think of one. Not even ONE. That doesn't mean they aren't great parents. The vast majority of them are, but they are also honest and realistic. Even people I know who couldn't think of any before they had children haven't been able to think of one since they had children. One is my brother. Yes, we all laugh about it. A LOT. Why do people have children? Some WOmen get pregnant to get a man to marry her. Some do in order to keep a man. To save a marriage. Because they love their spouse and want a baby to reflect that or, as they word it, to "share" their love. To take care of them when they're old. Because they want to be loved. Because they want to be loved unconditionally. Because they want to feel the kind of love a parent has for a child. Think about it. All of the above reasons have to do with the person who wants to have a child, not the child. If people stop and rationally THINK about it instead of focusing on how they FEEL about babies and children, or how they FEEL about love and relationships and the world, it's pretty accurate. I've never posted a comment to this site before, so I can't WAIT to read any comments to this post. If there are any, I'm sure that most of them will be from parents or people who want children trying to list an UNselfish reason to have children. I hope I remember to come back. Cele|bitchy » Blog Archive » Cardinal rips on Ricky Martin fathering twins by surrogate - with his cousin? The icky comment was rude. End of story. However, comparing what Ricky Martin did to single WOmen who have ADOPTED is manipulative, dishonest or ignorant. Ricky Martin didn’t adopt an unwanted child. Those single WOmen named in the article did. Comparing the two? Apples. Oranges.

Having a child is NOT the most selfless thing a person can do. Adopting a child is. Having a child is one of the most selfISH things a person can do. Hell, many people can’t even financially afford to take care of them.

I have spent decades asking people to name one reason to have a child that ISN’T selfish. An extremely cynical and single person asked me the question once and I thought it was interesting, but then again, I majored in Psychology and Sociology.

I have honest friends and every one of them admits that they can’t think of one. Not even ONE. That doesn’t mean they aren’t great parents. The vast majority of them are, but they are also honest and realistic. Even people I know who couldn’t think of any before they had children haven’t been able to think of one since they had children. One is my brother. Yes, we all laugh about it. A LOT.

Why do people have children? Some WOmen get pregnant to get a man to marry her. Some do in order to keep a man. To save a marriage. Because they love their spouse and want a baby to reflect that or, as they word it, to “share” their love. To take care of them when they’re old. Because they want to be loved. Because they want to be loved unconditionally. Because they want to feel the kind of love a parent has for a child.

Think about it. All of the above reasons have to do with the person who wants to have a child, not the child. If people stop and rationally THINK about it instead of focusing on how they FEEL about babies and children, or how they FEEL about love and relationships and the world, it’s pretty accurate.

I’ve never posted a comment to this site before, so I can’t WAIT to read any comments to this post. If there are any, I’m sure that most of them will be from parents or people who want children trying to list an UNselfish reason to have children. I hope I remember to come back.

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]]> By: Gabell73 http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-89667 Gabell73 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:01:33 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-89667 It seems to me that these people who are giving Ricky a hard time have nothing better to do. When I married my husband he was 30 and he made it very clear that he wanted to start working on me getting pregnant because he wanted to be a Dad. My husband is of Hispanic origin. In their culture it is a great honor to be a father. There main goal is family and they work hard to provide for their family. So it doesn't sound icky to me for Ricky to want children. And I agree with Bleeker, most of most of the time, especial is the one wanting the child is a man they do not use the eggs from the donor carrier. But they do use the sperm from the Dad who wants the child. On top of that, using a relative to carry the child make all the sense in the world to me. A relative is someone that you know and you can trust. If someone else is carrying your baby would you want to know that the person was going to take care of themselves? Not going to smoke, or drink alcohol, or do drugs, or anything else that could harm the baby. Sounds like to me he is taking this very seriously. And that he is taking every precaution necessary to insure a healthy baby. So why would he screw all that up by using the eggs from his cousin - when it is well known that that could cause birth defects. Come on people use your brains. He might have been the singer that came up with She Bangs but he doesn't strike me as stupid. Gabell73 :mrgreen: It seems to me that these people who are giving Ricky a hard time have nothing better to do.
When I married my husband he was 30 and he made it very clear that he wanted to start working on me getting pregnant because he wanted to be a Dad. My husband is of Hispanic origin. In their culture it is a great honor to be a father. There main goal is family and they work hard to provide for their family. So it doesn’t sound icky to me for Ricky to want children. And I agree with Bleeker, most of most of the time, especial is the one wanting the child is a man they do not use the eggs from the donor carrier. But they do use the sperm from the Dad who wants the child.
On top of that, using a relative to carry the child make all the sense in the world to me. A relative is someone that you know and you can trust. If someone else is carrying your baby would you want to know that the person was going to take care of themselves? Not going to smoke, or drink alcohol, or do drugs, or anything else that could harm the baby. Sounds like to me he is taking this very seriously. And that he is taking every precaution necessary to insure a healthy baby. So why would he screw all that up by using the eggs from his cousin – when it is well known that that could cause birth defects. Come on people use your brains. He might have been the singer that came up with She Bangs but he doesn’t strike me as stupid.

Gabell73 :mrgreen:

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]]> By: vdantev http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-89276 vdantev Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:37:48 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-89276 I find it so hypocritical how the anti-child brigade always slams parenthood, but supports adoption. <i>What are you smoking ? Did you forget how to read or did you just make up your own responses in your mind to get mad at?</i> I find it so hypocritical how the anti-child brigade always slams parenthood, but supports adoption.

What are you smoking ? Did you forget how to read or did you just make up your own responses in your mind to get mad at?

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]]> By: gg http://www.celebitchy.com/13818/cardinal_rips_on_ricky_martin_fathering_twins_by_surrogate_-_with_his_cousin/#comment-88301 gg Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:40:44 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13818#comment-88301 Cindy, you misread my entire post! I never ripped parenthood in any way. I ripped people not thinking before they have kids, because guess what - a lot of those very kids wind up in adoption centers. I have my own opinion and you are obviously having a bad week and need to rip on others. Have a nice weekend. :roll: And Love to Jill. :) I am a female by the way, and I love kids. Cindy, you misread my entire post! I never ripped parenthood in any way. I ripped people not thinking before they have kids, because guess what – a lot of those very kids wind up in adoption centers. I have my own opinion and you are obviously having a bad week and need to rip on others.
Have a nice weekend.
:roll:

And Love to Jill. :) I am a female by the way, and I love kids.

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