Comments on: Helen Mirren doesn’t retract date rape comments, wants them taken in context http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/ Stylish celebrity escapism Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:05:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jeanne http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-96881 Jeanne Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:39:41 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-96881 All I know is that she's a great actress. She speaks her mind, and she has a right to. All I know is that she’s a great actress. She speaks her mind, and she has a right to.

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]]> By: Baholicious http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92436 Baholicious Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:51:01 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92436 She really flubbed on the delivery but I see her point. Any 'stranger' rape victim who's been cross-examined has it bad enough, never mind a 'date' rape situation and having to defend oneself against how a little fooling around got out of hand because some tool decided to take advantage of a situation and 'she said no but I thought she really wanted it'. Oh yeah, and "what were you wearing?" And that's what the police ask you. No means no, but unfortunately pressing criminal charges and going to court compounds the shame. It shouldn't, but that's the way the system is set up. Rather than the defendant having to prove he's not a rapist, the victim has to prove she's not a slut who asked for it. She really flubbed on the delivery but I see her point. Any ‘stranger’ rape victim who’s been cross-examined has it bad enough, never mind a ‘date’ rape situation and having to defend oneself against how a little fooling around got out of hand because some tool decided to take advantage of a situation and ‘she said no but I thought she really wanted it’.

Oh yeah, and “what were you wearing?” And that’s what the police ask you.

No means no, but unfortunately pressing criminal charges and going to court compounds the shame. It shouldn’t, but that’s the way the system is set up. Rather than the defendant having to prove he’s not a rapist, the victim has to prove she’s not a slut who asked for it.

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]]> By: actingrc http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92373 actingrc Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:38:46 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92373 wow. way to project, y'all. mirren didn't say date rape-ees deserve it. she did not say it was their fault. she said it was hard to prove - fact - and that a lot of times it's a subjective occurence - often also a fact. i think that's what she meant about the "negotiating" bit. Not that women have to negotiate with men to remain un-date-raped, but that the definitions and boundaries of acceptable sexual behavior are constantly evolving and that date rape is still a murky area, with good reason. it is murky. no means no, but what does "wait" mean? or a (coy?) light push on the chest? THAT'S negotiation. frankly, the assumption that the "no means no" credo is effective or always applicable does irreparable harm in a number of date rape/acquaintance rape/ sexual misconduct cases. your collective reliance on it is disheartening; my awareness that i, too, f--ked up by being less than clear is the only thing that has brought me through the times after. at least i know how to avoid and hopefully prevent it in the future. wow. way to project, y’all. mirren didn’t say date rape-ees deserve it. she did not say it was their fault. she said it was hard to prove – fact – and that a lot of times it’s a subjective occurence – often also a fact. i think that’s what she meant about the “negotiating” bit. Not that women have to negotiate with men to remain un-date-raped, but that the definitions and boundaries of acceptable sexual behavior are constantly evolving and that date rape is still a murky area, with good reason. it is murky. no means no, but what does “wait” mean? or a (coy?) light push on the chest? THAT’S negotiation.
frankly, the assumption that the “no means no” credo is effective or always applicable does irreparable harm in a number of date rape/acquaintance rape/ sexual misconduct cases. your collective reliance on it is disheartening; my awareness that i, too, f–ked up by being less than clear is the only thing that has brought me through the times after. at least i know how to avoid and hopefully prevent it in the future.

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]]> By: RAN http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92294 RAN Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:07:23 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92294 I'm beginning to think ol' Helen is just a bit addled in the brain. OJ didn't do it either, did he? No, running from the law and trying to make it to the border with his gun and passport... that's not a sign of guilt... just fear of 'da man'. Going up to a guy's room because you like him, or think you'd like a relationship or something with him, yeah...that equates to a situation where the woman deserves rape (sarcasm here). I'm pretty ticked off that she had the nerve to say this. No, I've never been raped, nor have I been close to it, but asinine comments like this just blow me away. Whatever Helen... time for you to stfu. I’m beginning to think ol’ Helen is just a bit addled in the brain. OJ didn’t do it either, did he? No, running from the law and trying to make it to the border with his gun and passport… that’s not a sign of guilt… just fear of ‘da man’.

Going up to a guy’s room because you like him, or think you’d like a relationship or something with him, yeah…that equates to a situation where the woman deserves rape (sarcasm here). I’m pretty ticked off that she had the nerve to say this. No, I’ve never been raped, nor have I been close to it, but asinine comments like this just blow me away.

Whatever Helen… time for you to stfu.

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]]> By: mae http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92286 mae Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:36:35 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92286 haha thanks for the tip, diva. I'm sure the site appreciates it. haha thanks for the tip, diva. I’m sure the site appreciates it.

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]]> By: Diva http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92270 Diva Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:13:48 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92270 mae, if you hate this site so much BUGGER OFF! mae, if you hate this site so much

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]]> By: mae http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92259 mae Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:00:28 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92259 you're aware its an unfortunate photo choice, but you're going to post it anyway. Even though it's five months old. Because that's how you're getting across you dislike helen mirren. Clever. you’re aware its an unfortunate photo choice, but you’re going to post it anyway. Even though it’s five months old. Because that’s how you’re getting across you dislike helen mirren. Clever.

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]]> By: Rosanna http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92251 Rosanna Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:21:58 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92251 Just to clarify: I never stated that, because I agree to go out on a date with somebody, I owe him/her something. I did state that, because I agree to go out on a date with somebody, s/he has more reason to think I might like him/her. If you think about it, before asking somebody out, you think your chances s/he likes you are 50/50. But after asking the person out and him/her consenting, you think your chances are higher. That's it, or else why would you get out with him/her, what would be the point? Therefore, when one thinks his/her chances are higher, tends not to understand a no unless it's super clearly stated, and sometimes reiterated. I'm sure it happened not to understand a no the first (and maybe second) time that it was uttered. It just *happens*. A misunderstanding, especially in the heat of passion (or hope or lust or whatever) can and does happen. I never said date rape isn't rape. I did say that it's not the same thing like jumping on an unknown woman on the street and forcing yourself on her, and I 100% agree with this statement. Just to clarify: I never stated that, because I agree to go out on a date with somebody, I owe him/her something. I did state that, because I agree to go out on a date with somebody, s/he has more reason to think I might like him/her.
If you think about it, before asking somebody out, you think your chances s/he likes you are 50/50. But after asking the person out and him/her consenting, you think your chances are higher. That’s it, or else why would you get out with him/her, what would be the point? Therefore, when one thinks his/her chances are higher, tends not to understand a no unless it’s super clearly stated, and sometimes reiterated. I’m sure it happened not to understand a no the first (and maybe second) time that it was uttered. It just *happens*. A misunderstanding, especially in the heat of passion (or hope or lust or whatever) can and does happen.
I never said date rape isn’t rape. I did say that it’s not the same thing like jumping on an unknown woman on the street and forcing yourself on her, and I 100% agree with this statement.

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]]> By: Orangejulius http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92188 Orangejulius Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:32:33 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92188 Yes, no pissy little lectures! I had someone tell me I should spend more time on sorting out my problems with my addict son when I was posting on Amy Winehouse. So I don't get to have any life outside of taking care of him? What's with that shit? And, I'm highly involved with this frigging election and it seems as if it's been going on forever. This is a gossip blogging site, for Chrissakes! Helen Mirren is a product of a different time and she's entitled to her opinion, even if I don't agree with her. She's from an era where if you put yourself in a position where rape might occur, the woman bears some responsibility for getting herself in that situation. Yes, no pissy little lectures! I had someone tell me I should spend more time on sorting out my problems with my addict son when I was posting on Amy Winehouse. So I don’t get to have any life outside of taking care of him? What’s with that shit? And, I’m highly involved with this frigging election and it seems as if it’s been going on forever.

This is a gossip blogging site, for Chrissakes!

Helen Mirren is a product of a different time and she’s entitled to her opinion, even if I don’t agree with her. She’s from an era where if you put yourself in a position where rape might occur, the woman bears some responsibility for getting herself in that situation.

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]]> By: huh http://www.celebitchy.com/13939/helen_mirren_doesnt_retract_date_rape_comments_wants_them_taken_in_context/#comment-92151 huh Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:39:57 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=13939#comment-92151 Even IF everyone posting here was American, which is clearly not true, should we be spending every waking hour thinking about an election that is two months away? There are two choices, that's it. Not like we have a list of 500 candidates. Only so much time anyone can spend thinking/worrying about that. Even IF everyone posting here was American, which is clearly not true, should we be spending every waking hour thinking about an election that is two months away? There are two choices, that’s it. Not like we have a list of 500 candidates. Only so much time anyone can spend thinking/worrying about that.

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