Comments on: Lance Armstrong to be stripped of Tour de France titles by USADA http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/ Stylish celebrity escapism Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:40:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jo 'Mama' Besser http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11998779 Jo 'Mama' Besser Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:30:02 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11998779 You make a very convincing and damning argument. Maybe I should search for my missing Triplets Of Belleville soundtrack CD--that car chase could get Pope Formosus to giggle and stranger things have happened...to him. With every scandal of this sort, the only thing of which we can be certain is that for whatever reason there are some athletes that people want to be proven innocent more than others. It sounds as though he has engaged in some Al Jolson-style bullying of the competition (although when it comes to attempting to destroy somee colleagues, DopeStrong (allegedly) is just Jolson's Ganymede) and memory stays sharp when there's an axe to grind. I swear, the Tour's motto should be 'I Didn't Come Here To Make Friends, Make Me Head Of StrongHold...Or Something'. You make a very convincing and damning argument. Maybe I should search for my missing Triplets Of Belleville soundtrack CD–that car chase could get Pope Formosus to giggle and stranger things have happened…to him. With every scandal of this sort, the only thing of which we can be certain is that for whatever reason there are some athletes that people want to be proven innocent more than others. It sounds as though he has engaged in some Al Jolson-style bullying of the competition (although when it comes to attempting to destroy somee colleagues, DopeStrong (allegedly) is just Jolson’s Ganymede) and memory stays sharp when there’s an axe to grind. I swear, the Tour’s motto should be ‘I Didn’t Come Here To Make Friends, Make Me Head Of StrongHold…Or Something’.

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]]> By: Cycle Samuel http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11998463 Cycle Samuel Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:32:45 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11998463 We ran the question of guilty or witch hunt with our facebook fans and had a resounding 85% witch hunt...sample size 160+ road bikers We ran the question of guilty or witch hunt with our facebook fans and had a resounding 85% witch hunt…sample size 160+ road bikers

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]]> By: Esmom http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11991970 Esmom Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:00:15 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11991970 @polk8dot, I find it ironic that you can trash us for hiding behind our computers, ruining lives and the sport of professional cycling with our comments (on a blog that's billed as "escapism", btw) and yet refer to Floyd Landis as an "A-class jackhole" more than once. So what's the deal? We can't criticize Lance but Landis is fair game? @polk8dot, I find it ironic that you can trash us for hiding behind our computers, ruining lives and the sport of professional cycling with our comments (on a blog that’s billed as “escapism”, btw) and yet refer to Floyd Landis as an “A-class jackhole” more than once. So what’s the deal? We can’t criticize Lance but Landis is fair game?

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]]> By: Esmom http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11991899 Esmom Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:42:54 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11991899 "That is such a horrendously JADED thing to say" I don't disagree. At all. I tend to lean towards idealism and optimism about many things. But sadly professional sports is no longer one of them (politics, too). “That is such a horrendously JADED thing to say”

I don’t disagree. At all. I tend to lean towards idealism and optimism about many things. But sadly professional sports is no longer one of them (politics, too).

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]]> By: Deeana http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11991465 Deeana Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:46:36 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11991465 I read the first book, not the second. Haven't liked him since learning of his callus treatment of women. A carefully calculated use/abuse of EPO could be very difficult to detect. Normal "drug testing" would not pick it up. The testing involves drawing a blood sample and counting the red blood cells within the sample. Also in observing the development of the red cells present (these cells start out small, then mature to where they can carry oxygen) There are natural differences among individuals in RBC counts, which is why a "range" of normal is given. In this case, it sounds like the very organization that was shielding Armstrong over the years has now turned on him. For whatever reason. I read the first book, not the second. Haven’t liked him since learning of his callus treatment of women.

A carefully calculated use/abuse of EPO could be very difficult to detect. Normal “drug testing” would not pick it up. The testing involves drawing a blood sample and counting the red blood cells within the sample. Also in observing the development of the red cells present (these cells start out small, then mature to where they can carry oxygen) There are natural differences among individuals in RBC counts, which is why a “range” of normal is given.

In this case, it sounds like the very organization that was shielding Armstrong over the years has now turned on him. For whatever reason.

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]]> By: Feebee http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11989993 Feebee Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:59:09 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11989993 Of course the fact he's reportedly an ass does not mean he's guilty of doping or using other illegal means to enhance performance. And he may yet be guilty of the above however the process that he is being subjected to is all sorts of wrong. Suspected murderers are treated better than this and certainly appear to have more rights. If only the SEC was as dogged as the USADA. Of course the fact he’s reportedly an ass does not mean he’s guilty of doping or using other illegal means to enhance performance.

And he may yet be guilty of the above however the process that he is being subjected to is all sorts of wrong. Suspected murderers are treated better than this and certainly appear to have more rights.

If only the SEC was as dogged as the USADA.

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]]> By: dana http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11988599 dana Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:44:47 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11988599 Here's a good explanation of why Armstrong's 2009 tests do indicate he cheated: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/lance-armstrong-fall-grace-beginning-usada-strips-tour-de-france-titles-article-1.1144779?pgno=1 "Studying the spreadsheet of USADA’s blood lab evidence, Ashenden noted that Armstrong’s hemoglobin levels were essentially constant during the 2009 Tour de France, where Armstrong finished third. “It is not normal for those values to remain constant during a Tour de France, where typically the strenuous exercise leads to a dilution of the blood and a 10% decrease in haemoglobin levels,” Ashenden said. “Armstrong’s haemoglobin levels actually increased during the race where he finished third overall." But, the Armstrong apologists will continue to claim he never failed a test... Here’s a good explanation of why Armstrong’s 2009 tests do indicate he cheated:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/lance-armstrong-fall-grace-beginning-usada-strips-tour-de-france-titles-article-1.1144779?pgno=1

“Studying the spreadsheet of USADA’s blood lab evidence, Ashenden noted that Armstrong’s hemoglobin levels were essentially constant during the 2009 Tour de France, where Armstrong finished third. “It is not normal for those values to remain constant during a Tour de France, where typically the strenuous exercise leads to a dilution of the blood and a 10% decrease in haemoglobin levels,” Ashenden said. “Armstrong’s haemoglobin levels actually increased during the race where he finished third overall.”

But, the Armstrong apologists will continue to claim he never failed a test…

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]]> By: dana http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11987717 dana Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:17:04 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11987717 Just to give some context about Bassons who said that there was growing momentum for cyclists to stop doping until Lance arrived: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/aug/26/lance-armstrong-doping-whistleblowers?newsfeed=true He was the only Festina cyclist who was not implicated of doping, and thus he had the moral stature to speak out against doping. If Lance wasn't doping, you'd think he'd support people brave enough to speak out against doping. Instead, Lance harrassed Basson and told him how he should quit. In the story, it also talks about how he terrorized his former masseuse for two years and tried to break her. There's a real pattern of abuse where Armstrong will do anything and say anything to attack those who tried to clean up the sport. Just to give some context about Bassons who said that there was growing momentum for cyclists to stop doping until Lance arrived:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/aug/26/lance-armstrong-doping-whistleblowers?newsfeed=true

He was the only Festina cyclist who was not implicated of doping, and thus he had the moral stature to speak out against doping. If Lance wasn’t doping, you’d think he’d support people brave enough to speak out against doping. Instead, Lance harrassed Basson and told him how he should quit.

In the story, it also talks about how he terrorized his former masseuse for two years and tried to break her. There’s a real pattern of abuse where Armstrong will do anything and say anything to attack those who tried to clean up the sport.

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]]> By: polk8dot http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11986033 polk8dot Sun, 26 Aug 2012 03:31:51 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11986033 @Carol: 'But now that they catalog blood tests and have grown more advanced that along with testimony is how they caught him..' Actually, that is only how disinformation and confusion get spread. Nobody ever cought him doing anything illegal, he never failed any of his drug testing, and he never absconded from taking one, unlike many of his competitors (it's easier for them to then fight suspension if they just did not take the test, as opposed to having tested positive and then trying to convince the anti-doping body of their innocence). Why would you even say something so patently false? Mind-boggling, I swear.. @Carol: ‘But now that they catalog blood tests and have grown more advanced that along with testimony is how they caught him..’
Actually, that is only how disinformation and confusion get spread.
Nobody ever cought him doing anything illegal, he never failed any of his drug testing, and he never absconded from taking one, unlike many of his competitors (it’s easier for them to then fight suspension if they just did not take the test, as opposed to having tested positive and then trying to convince the anti-doping body of their innocence).
Why would you even say something so patently false? Mind-boggling, I swear..

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]]> By: Megan http://www.celebitchy.com/247830/lance_armstrong_to_be_stripped_of_tour_de_france_titles_after_doping_investigation/#comment-11986026 Megan Sun, 26 Aug 2012 03:29:09 +0000 http://www.celebitchy.com/?p=247830#comment-11986026 My brother, who is a professional cyclist, said that not fighting the chargea may be part of Armstrong's bigger plan to expose the USADA as a fraudelnt, corrupt organization. Supposedly they were going to remove several lifetime bans, including Landis's in exchange for testifying against him. To me, this seems incredibly shady. How do you convict someone who has passed 400+ drug tests? And does the fact that a federal invrstigation found nothing incriminating him mean nothing to the USADA? If he was legitemately cheating, by all means, he should be punished, but I don't see the evidence in this case. My brother, who is a professional cyclist, said that not fighting the chargea may be part of Armstrong’s bigger plan to expose the USADA as a fraudelnt, corrupt organization. Supposedly they were going to remove several lifetime bans, including Landis’s in exchange for testifying against him. To me, this seems incredibly shady. How do you convict someone who has passed 400+ drug tests? And does the fact that a federal invrstigation found nothing incriminating him mean nothing to the USADA? If he was legitemately cheating, by all means, he should be punished, but I don’t see the evidence in this case.

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