Jennifer Garner appears on The Ellen Degeneres show today, Thursday, the day gossip stood still. Not really, it just seems like we have a very pronounced lull today. She’s promoting her new film, Butter, which is out in limited release on October 5th. (Here’s a link to the trailer. It looks like it could be funny and quirky.) Ellen of course asked Jenn a bunch of questions about her kids and if she’s having another one, and her responses were pretty funny. She said that she’s not having another one (as she’s mentioned before) but that her husband Ben was “a wonder sperm kind of guy.” I also enjoyed her jokes about forgetting the baby around the house. And she made some lighthearted cracks about Brangelina too!
Jennifer on having more kids
I plan to be done. But my husband is kind of a wonder sperm kind of guy. You never know… You just have [to] look at him.On having a baby boy
Ellen: Can you already see a difference in him being a boy? Were they different at 7 months?
Jennifer: I mean, they didn’t pee in my eye. I don’t know if it’s because he’s a boy. I don’t know if it’s because he’s my third and I forget that I have him.
You’re just dealing with two and then you think, I put a baby down. I swear I put a baby down somewhere… And you kind of walk through the house. There you are and he’s just happy as can be.
Ellen: Wow, you’re not coming off a good parent (laughing)…
Jennifer: He’s so chill and mellow. He’s really, really, really..he’s sweet.Jennifer on husband Ben playing with his girls
Ellen: Ben must he happy having a son. Was he just going to keep on going until you had a son?
Jennifer: No, that wasn’t the plan.
Ellen: You sure?
Jennifer: Yea, You know his girls are so into him… He kind of excels at playing baby doll.
Ellen: Really? I can’t see him doing that but he says that he does. He sits down and has tea parties and plays with the girls.
Jennifer: Yea, he can do it without using any energy at all. He can sit there and be almost asleep and they think they’re having an incredible game with him. It’s a skill.
Ellen: Again now, he’s not a good parent either…(joking)
Jennifer: Oh man…Talk to Brad and Angie they seem to have it together.
Ellen: I don’t know how they remember all the names..
Jennifer: Truly.
Ellen: They have like 10 kids.
Jennifer: I call my kids Shiloh sometimes…(laughing)
[From EllenTV received via e-mail]
That was funny! Some of you mentioned in our last story on Ben Affleck, covering his Details interview, that we didn’t focus on his comments on not wanting to be a stay at home dad. We did include some of those comments in the excerpt we published, but I didn’t see it as sticking out as much as what he said about J.Lo. He said about his kids that “I don’t want to be a stay-at-home dad. Work is very important to me. I like to work. But I need my work to mean something to me in order for me to not be home with them.” Ben also said that he’s not always “present” with his kids, which just seems honest to me and is basically what Jennifer told Ellen. He said “I am not very present in the rest of my life. My wife’s very patient. She does everything. If I have time, I try to spend time with the kids, even if just to be a physical presence, the bath, whatever.” He also admitted that he thinks about work a lot, but I’ll tell you – I do that too! I try to be there for my son as much as I can, and to pay attention, but I do think about work. It’s all about balance, we’re not all perfect parents. I thought he was trying to be honest more than admitting he’s a crap dad. He sounds like he’s trying and admitting his faults.
This interview with Garner got me thinking about what it must be like to be famous. What is it like to learn that your partner told the world that you fall asleep playing with your kids and that you have wonder sperm? Is it like just another day at work for any of us regular people? Also, I do love that Ben and Jennifer are in a good place now, you can really tell.
Here’s Garner at LAX yesterday (I love her purse!) and out with Violet on Sunday. Ben is shown at the San Sebastian film festival on 9-22. So hot! Credit: FameFlynet
In a good place because she turns her head to his questionable activities?
There is just something about him I do not trust.
I also hope no one ever attempts to call them a private couple! They are far from that.
Agreed. What exactly is he working on all the time? She has done nearly as much work as him in the last few years.
The quote “I’m not very present” is referring the 2 or 3 months once in 2 or 3 years when he is directs/filming. PS: i read the interview.
And when Jen is working Ben whatch the kids and vice versa, they say it in many interviews.
Jen is very funny, loevd the interview lol
Plus: They are a beautiful and lovely couple/family. Ps: Haters gonna hate, poor people
Yeah, fathers are like that a lot in our society.
I don’t think it’s fair and it’s one of the reasons I do not want a husband nor children. I find I, the way I am done, would probably be overworked and unhappy in the arrengement until I was so bitter that I would become just like my mother. Not a good thing.
Yup…I find myself turning into my mother, though I think I became bitter a lot sooner in much shorter time. I thought I found a husband who was going to be present and share in the responsibilities of taking care of our home & kids, but he turned out to be just like my father. He tries, though, but has no idea how laughably small his contributions are.
My husband is a great husband and father compared to a lot of men I know, that won’t even “babysit” their own kids. But sometimes I feel like I’m doing it all. That I’m a single parent to 3 kids and I get so frustrated. Of course he feels like he does everything too. So I think it’s a valid fear. Then I see other fathers I know and I think to myself damn I should be grateful and I am, sometimes. But it’s taking a lot of time and bitching to get us to where we are now. Luckily I have a husband that tries.
Wow, that sounds like what goes on at my house
My ex husband was like that, and I definitely prefer being on my own. Now I know that it’s just me to do the work, there is no one to get upset at for not helping. Plus I only have to take care of myself and my daughter, not a non-contributing partner.
Not saying you should get a divorce, he was a major d-bag in other areas too!
That is why I always tell my girlfriends ” Never have more kids than YOU alone can handle…” Sorry but no matter how modern times get most men are not going to do all that parenting stuff… They will help with the man stuff but you end up doing all the work… It is just the way we are a people I suppose… To me there is nothing wrong with it… but for you women saying that you do it all in raising the kids… then your HUSBAND should be fully supporting you … and you should only be working if you want too… if not then he needs to share the work load.. because you will become bitter and resentful
Many guys are pretty rancid fathers. My husband is actually very hands on. I SAH, but once he’s through the door at night, he’s on.
I watch a lot of the neighborhood oafs “help out” their wives. They’re heroes if they watch the kid on his trike for half an hour. Um, your kid had a screaming foit off and in all day – maybe you can let your wife disappear alone somewhere? It’s laughable, and a darn good thing they can’t read my mind.
Is there any way of knowing that a guy is going to be this sort of father before you breed with him? God forbid I would have a baby with someone who turned out to be utterly crap – I’m not exactly experienced with children myself (though I am responsible) and would fear for the kid.
People at work referred to a woman with a husband like yours, a son and a dog as a single mother of 3.
My husband took both kids grocery shopping the other day and he said that everytime he went down an aisle he got a comment about how their husbands never did that. He said he thinks he got a lot of men in trouble.
I knew my husband would be a fun father because I saw him play with other kids before we had our own. But I didn’t know about how much he would help out with the day to day stuff. I know a guy that is Really nice but wont watch His own child. most of the men i know hve no interest in them until they get older. My husband is more willing to help out with the kids than housework although he doesnt mind cooking. I wouldn’t mind taking care of everything at home if I wasn’t going to school and work too.
It created a lot of resentment and I was very bitter. I don’t handle that well so I was pretty mean and he would wonder why. Anyway, we worked through it. He helps out, I still do the majority but that’s okay.
I’m on the birth boards on baby center and a lot of the women complain about their husbands not doing anything. Not involved with the children, not helping around the house. I hope to raise my son to be a good father and helpful husband.
I don’t like the thing about Jen doing all the work … it seems a bit chauvinistic.
Some women enjoy a more traditional lifestyle. Cook, clean, take care of the kids, etc while the husband works. Nothing wrong with it. Different strokes for different folks.
Good post. Absolutely true!
Meh since he also has a rep for test driving starlets while Jen’s at home with the kids it makes him a JERK.
@mln yeah, I suppose that’s true. If he has cheated in the past, then him “working” while she stays home may seem a bit more sinister. My only point was that it’s not fair to assume that Jen is a slave kept imprisoned at home popping out babies and cooking barefoot while Ben parties, it’s entirely possible that she enjoys a more traditional role of wife and mother.
There’s also the fact that, while she is obviously very hands on, she has staff and can afford to buy in any extra help she needs, too. Alters the whole landscape.
Having said that she does also work. So I would hope he does more at home when she’s filming.
LOL, yeah sure “traditional” with a mansion and full staff, just exactly like all the working Moms out there. Props to her though, she hasn’t been relevant as an actress for years but the family stuff has kept her in the magazines.
Since she cheated on her first husband so I could see her agreeing to an “understanding”.
I think they are really sweet. Seems like their family will be more stable than Brad and Angies. These kids aren’t being shuffled around and I bet it will make them more in tune with the world (ironic I know..). Realistic living isn’t being raised on a jet with cheetos its knowing what to expect and seeing how average people live. Plus I’m happy they have structure. But who knows, maybe Brads kids are super smart and well behaved cause they’ve had to put up with all that moving around?
Wow….
Brad and Angelina’s kids always seem very well behaved and in good moods.Also Brad & Angelina seem to be equal parents, unlike Jen & Ben where Jen looks like a single mother most of the time.
They move based on where their films are shooting! Would you prefer Brad to film in Europe while Angelina & kids stay in the states not seeing him????? Give me a break.
They keep their family together, which is the most important thing. Who cares if they move around, home is where your family is.
As well their kids have been photographed once or twice in the past couple of months compared to DAILY pics of Jen’s kids. Brad/Angelina manage to avoid the paps.
I totally agree that home is where your family is. I wasn’t saying that Brads kids are brats (far from it is what I get the impression of). I just wonder how they’ll do as adults. But they could be incredibly cultured and more aware of the world and as adults have bigger hearts. Whereas Jens kids could be more sheltered and jaded because of living in LA. It could go either way. I would love to think both familys are happy and secure. Lord knows Jen does look like a single mom but maybe she doesn’t mind? I know id rather fly and see my husband and see the world.
I agree completely that it’s a great idea to keep the family together.
I have to wonder in the case of Brad and Angelina though, if she doesn’t pick up the family and go with him all the time because she feels the need to keep an eye on him. She knows firsthand that he has no problem cheating on a wife since she participated in an affair with him while he was married.
Brad has said when they got together they decided to always keep their family together.They take turns working.Ben works more than Jennifer but she goes on location sometimes with him,too.Both couples do whats best for their families.
@Itsa, who wrote: “I have to wonder in the case of Brad and Angelina though, if she doesn’t pick up the family and go with him all the time because she feels the need to keep an eye on him.”
As I recall, Jen made a surprise trip to Boston when “The Town” was filming after news broke about Ben spending ‘quality’ time with Blake Lively.
But Brad travels with Angie when she’s making a film too.
I have no love for paps; however having said that it will be interesting how Brad and Angelina’s children grow and come into their own. I think at least one will be an intellectual (private college or Ivy?), some will perhaps follow the path of arts (whether it be acting, architecture, writing, painting, etc.). I think there will be a black sheep. I have no doubt in my mind that not only Angelina and Brad will embrace the sibling that will be the so called black sheep (probably more of press machination than anything else). The twins may have their own thing going as I’ve seen my brother and sister (who are fraternal twins) go different paths but always protect one another.
Look, I have no dislike for Jen Garner. I think that I don’t give her enough credit for some of things she has done, acting wise and personally. No, I don’t condone cheating on husband no. 1 but it happens, unfortunately, and both are probably in a better place than if they had remained together. I think she knew what she was signing up for and from many accounts there have been bumps in the road. The ups and downs will continue to probably occur. I’ve notice that most couples who are legitimately celebrities/celebrated actors seem to have one in the forefront of their career and one doing something else-focusing on children, etc.
One comes to mind-the marriage of Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick. However, the have their stuff locked down tight and still seem to be truly in love.
What I do question is the constant pics of the children. I would be a tiger mom when it came to the paps nonsense. I’d strike a deal (similar to what Garner? or someone else did) photograph but then back off when I need you to….
I simply cannot imagine being in the world of being famous. Every comment, facial expression, outfit, etc., is scrutinized (if they are quite famous).
Also how many times exactly have you seen them with Cheetos??? Less than 10 times in 7/8 years!
None of their kids are overweight or even close to it. Chips/ fast food once in a while won’t kill you.
Their kids are not raised in private jets, they are raised in homes with their parents always there!
What do you think Ben & Jen do when filming outside LA?? Sometimes their kids are shuffled around as well or worse Ben goes away while Jen & kids are separated from him for weeks!
Brad and Angelina are doing it right.
They are not the only family in Hollywood that moves around, but they are the only ones who get attacked for it.
I wasn’t being negative even though it came off as such. I only said Cheetos as an example of a “meal on the go”. Bad choice of words. I also love Brad and Angelina so I don’t need the hate I was simply questioning their lifestyles and the effects of it. Just for the sake of conversation. I’m sure with their huge hearts their kids are going to be wonderful. Same with Jen and Ben they seem like they genuinely care. Either family could be secretly crazy or wonderful.
@Lio
You do realize that you are over reacting beyond bitchy.
I think being exposed to people from different backgrounds,races,cultures,religions is a good thing.Ive seen pics of the JP kids playing soccer with refugees in Africa and Asia.Also playing with kids in the Lower Ninth Ward in NOLA.
Love her honesty. She seems like a regular mom to me. Explains a lot about why she can never seen to get classy casual clothes down.
Also, is it me, or does Ben look hot here? I never had a thing for him but the 5 o’clock shadow is working here.
i like jennifer. i think she’s as real as they get . i don’t know the nature of her marriage, and honestly its none of our business. i just really get the feeling that she is so into ben, the end all to be all. and i haven’t gotten that same vibe from him. maybe he’s more private, who knows.
She’s completely adorable. Love that she’s truthful about raising the kids and not pretending to be wonder mom.
She seems way more into Ben than he into her.
I mean in most of his interviews he talks about JLO rather than Jen..
She often goes to his premiers or events, but he never shows up to support her.
I feel she will put up with his wandering eyes/ hands until photographic proof of any cheating shows up. He just does not seem faithful.
Of all the interviews I have seen with Ben the only time he has ever mentioned JLO is when he was asked about her or said the worst mistake he ever made was her. BFD.There is NO proof he has ever cheated on Jen. Just the rag mags crap and you cannot believe that shit. Jen would bail if he was cheating. The rag mags cannot stand to have anyone happy or they wouldnt sell the papers. People want him to be cheating so bad that they make crap up. I think they are a normal couple who have stressfull jobs and he loves Jen and those kids. He has always been a private person unlike JLO or most of the other stars, he and Jen take the kids out and I see the look on Bens face when the paps are taking pics of his kids and it is not nice, Jen doesnt seem to mind and does not make a big deal out of it and her kids dont shy from the camera either, They smile and get on with their lives. Unlike tom and kate who have that kids face in the papers every day dressed like a 16 yr old with ratty hair, Ben and Jen live normal lives. They joke about parenting and when you see them you usually see one or more kids with them.
If people are going to say he is a cheater then lets see the pictures because it is not fair to accuser when you do not have one ounce of proof. He can have lunch with a co stat without banging her. Jeez people always want something to be dirty.
“Wonder sperm”? Really?
I know. And just after her interview talking about his “junk”. I guess it gets a laugh but- weird.
His squinty “I am SO HOT” smirk is too much for me in these pics.
I’m embarrassed for her. Was there really no other joke to make? Try hard I guess.
I thought she was making an off-hand reference either to their getting pregnant as soon as they start trying, or to not all their kids being planned? I’ve heard a few people make that joke before.
Yeah and I take back my mean comment, she was responding to a tough barrage of fertility questions, (Ellen left no one guessing what she was getting at) and she handled it gracefully.
-and I am so jealous of that stomach…
Do they call Serafina “Martha”? or is that a pet?
She has the most photographed kids in Hollywood.
I know she calls them because they always show up BEFORE her to the most random places!
They are at a friend’s house before her, at a random sporting goods store before her!
She is not famous enough to have paps stalk her and follow her.
Her kids have been seen pretty much everyday this summer, while the Jolie- Pitt kids have been seen less than five times!
I don’t think that’s too fair becuase Brad & Angelina rent huge mansions for their kids to run around in…whereas Ben and Jen live in a much smaller place, so I think the kids would want to get out more.
When the JP kids are in LA they are rarely photographed yet there are pics of Garner Afleck kids almost daily.Why?
A much smaller place.. Really they live in a mansion. Not a 2 bedroom apartment. You would think they had a backyard. And as per usual Brad and Angie are being thrown into this story. And let me add. If Brad had said he was not “present” when with his kids or if Angie said Brad didn’t use much energy with his kids and really could fall asleep with them, I would bet the mint the comments would be quite different, and there would not be all this “understanding”
Jennifer is seen daily almost with her kids. and the minute Brad or Angie are with their kids it is they are pimping them. Ben goes away to film away from his kids and “oh he is working”. Brad does the same and it is he has abandoned his family. Angie and Brad’s kids are in danger because they are with their parents when they work.. Yet no one is ever concerned by the parents that are away from their families for months.. HELLO JOHNNY DEPP.. I recall on this site how Johnny was praised for keeping his kids out of the media. thing is that was easy because he was not with his kids.
Double standard. And I don’t think the JP kids need all this worry about what they will be when they grow up. Such fake concerns is sickening.. mainly because those that are making them are so hoping the children have problems so they can scream to the mountain top.. I Knew it. That that is just SMH at that hypocrisy.
The Jolie-Pitts aren’t in LA that much, are they, which is where most of the paparazzi are?
I think, sadly, it’s the photos of the kids that sell, not her. They’re in tabloids in the UK almost every week because of it. If they didn’t sell, they wouldn’t be taken.
I bet Angelina & Brad have no clue Garner even has kids or their names!
I thought she was really funny – Angie and Brad people really can’t take a joke. Don’t be so sensative!
Eh. I don’t know if I buy that Ben f–ked around as much as people claim. I also think far more people in Hollywood have open marriages then one would think….I’m always surprised when I read Dan Savage and realize that there are a hell of a lot of people who aren’t monogamous. Maybe she and Ben have an arrangement, where he can f–k someone discreetly when he’s on location and she’s fine with it. I’m pretty sure Ted Casablanca had two blind vices that fit that scenario, where wifey was fine with her husband fucking around as long as he did it on the down lo. Not my sort of thing, but for some people that works. They always look happy when they are together, and different strokes for different folks and all that.
I do love Jen and I wish her career was better. Unfortunately, Butter was shown at film festivals last year, so I have a feeling that the fact that it is coming out now isn’t a good sign. She was so great in Alias. I know there were rumors that she was going to be in some serious indie film with Andrew Garfield, so I hope that works out for her. I also don’t think she calls the paps. If they know where the children go to school, then it can be pretty easy for them to figure out where Jen goes after that.
u should have included the question he was answering before judging him! the interviewer asked him if he is the kind of guy that only thinks about the moviw WHILE HE’S FILMING and ben said that answer about his presence, which is obvioua because filming takes 12-14 hrs a days, therefore he isnt with his kids alot DURING THE 2-3 MONTHS HE’S FILMING, NOT ALL YR LONG AS U PPL THINK! i also remember seeing pica of him every weekend with his family while he was shooting Argo, check candid pics ir Celebitchy posts in sept-nov 2011, reseatch before u talk idiots
Celebitchy, I really hope u would include the queation with the answer
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pic of Jen and Ben where he actually looks present, or even happy. The only pics in which he looks happy is those of him without Jen.
Celebitchy’s quote: “he’s not always ‘present’ with his kids”, is not accurate. What Ben said is, “I am not very present in the rest of my life.” In other words, he generally isn’t present at home. A husband who is not present at home on a regular basis is not happy in his relationship and/or his family life.
My feeling is that Jen is desperate to keep Ben, and is willing to put up with whatever. She’ll do all the work, if it means he returns to her most nights. She is a doormat. Ben comes across as an unhappy man who has settled.
Wonder sperm meaning it’s powerful enough to break through the walls of single/double protection and get her pregnant? That’s potent!
Ugh. I just can’t with his “I’m so into my work” kinda comments. My husband has a career and he thinks about his work too but you know what? So do I. He is able to be home and do his half of the work when it comes to taking care of the house and our son and doesn’t leave it all up to me.
They may like their arrangement though. I prefer doing all/most of the work when it comes to my kids. I LOVE my job as a mom and really enjoy everything that goes with it. All couples have to find the balance that works for them.
They seem pretty regular to me. I took his stay at home comments to mean that he’s really particular about the work he does – he has to really like it/believe in it for it to justify being away from his kids, since he doesn’t need the money. There must be other parents out there who work because they like working, even though staying home could be an option. Also, when you’re a working parent (and probably if you stay at home, too, although I have no experience with that), there are always going to be times where you are “present” with the kids, but just sitting there.
Oh yes, third child syndrome; I know it well. My parents like to tell a joke about how when your first kid drops his pacifier on the floor, you steam it and disinfect it before giving it back. When your second kid does, you wipe it off with a napkin. With your third kid, you shrug and say, “Just don’t choke on it.”
With your fourth, you let the dog lick it clean.
KIDDING.
Eh Ben is kind of an old fashioned jerk he cheats a bit he has an outdated view on parenting (i remember a bit back he called staying home w/the kids babysitting YOU CAN’T BABYSIT YOUR OWN KIDS its called being a dad.)
Heres what I wonder since Jen G is pretty much shut out from the Goopy crew and I know the Brange and Bennifer 2 have attended a couple of the same events and are in the same circle of friends does Jen G call Angelina Angie because she actually knows her?
Many people say when they meet her she says call me,Angie.Jada Pinkett just called her Angie in Essence interview.
Is it odd how much she is talking about Ben all of a sudden. When they first got together that never said anything and it was like pulling teeth to get them to talk about one another and the family. Now it is non stop (more her than him) along with the photos. He seems to be more vocal as well. I wonder what it could be…oh yeah, they both need their projects to be big hits. I knew I would figure it out.
Ben wants that academy award BAD. The only time you see Ben spending so much time with jen and smiling is when he has a movie to promote and with all the talk of oscar for his next movie je’s really ramping up the staged paparazzi pics. Once it’s all over jen will go back to being a single mother again and ben will go back to banging starlets.
Ben already has an Oscar for cowriting “Good Will Hunting”.
Through all of his phases and gals, I’ve always been a huge fan of his. (I mean, Armaggedon was definitely his peak.)
I’m glad he ended up with the nice girl next door instead of the conveyor belt of Hollywood phonies he auditioned before her.
Problem is, he’s still auditioning them.
Good God, Armageddon. My boyfriend and I got home after dinner the other night and I went into the bedroom to change and flipped on the TV. Armageddon was on, right at the part where Bruce is telling Ben to take care of his daughter, etc etc…. Boyfriend walks in 5 minutes later and I’m just sobbing. He’s like WTF JUST HAPPENED!?!?
Such a good movie.
I love her!! She has a down to earth, wonderful personality. I guess like most marriages people become complacent. They just need to reignite that spark. The thing is they are financially well that at least money is not an issue.
I hardly think either one of them is screwing around. There is zero evidence to indicate anything of the sort. Photos indicate they are totally into each other. The interview on Ellen was cute and fun. Lighten up. It wasn’t meant to be judged so critically and certainly not to be taken seriously.
Almost all photos indicate he is distracted and bored, at least when Jen is in the picture.
If my husband had sperm that could produce children like that I’d say he has “a wonder sperm” too.
GREAT COUPLE..BUT NOTICING HERE HOW THE HENS JUMP ALL OVER WHAT THIS POOR GAL SAYS…SHE’S HAPPY..HE’S HAPPY AND THEY HAVE MONEY AND GREAT FAMILY..POOR JEALOUSY HERE…AND NOOOOO THEY ARE NOT LIKE YOU PEOPLE…
Why the hell are you typing in all caps? Nice try, Ben.
I don’t care what Lainey says, I loves me so taupe.
Go see Butter!
What are you her PR person? Lol
Cute interview. Thank you for sharing. I had no idea she was so funny.
Guh-ross! Cannot stand her. Quit trying so hard.gag
Guh-ross! Cannot stand her. Quit trying so hard. GAG!
She was very likable in that Ellen interview.
She always talks about him. He rarely talks about her. Doesnt anyone else think its odd? Mentioning sperm in an interview- after another interview mentioning his junk.. Do u think he got pissed about that? Doesn’t Anyone think that baby looks like matt Damon?
Down to earth? They live in a huge mansion on 3 acres and have 3 nannies, house keepers, gardeners—- I am totally jealous? Yep.
How much more detached can husband wife be than these two? Ben is a sperm donor extraordinaire, per her statement. Per Ben’s attentiveness to his marriage, wife, kids–he looks trapped in a loveless marriage that is used for PR and creating cute kids. But I get zero sexual vibe from Jennifer, she dresses to hide her body unless doing PR. I can remember Ben looking happy once in a photo with Blake Livenmeup:) Hollywood makes strange bedfellows.
I totally agree except I think it’s more the case of a wife who won’t let go versus a PR move.
Jen used to have a sexual vibe in Alias, but that seemed to fade after she got involved with Ben.