Amy Poehler & Tina Fey respond to Taylor Swift’s ‘place in hell’ VF comments

I’m kind of surprised that anyone felt the need to defend Taylor Swift in yesterday’s epic Vanity Fair post. I mean… I’ve defended Swifty in the past because… I don’t know, she’s annoying but ultimately I thought she was harmless, and almost fun (gossip-wise). But her Vanity Fair interview depicts an arrogant, self-absorbed, hypocritical and humorless young woman who wants to maintain a fairy-tale-like white-washed image while participating in some really nasty, low-down press tactics.

When Swifty was asked about Tina Fey and Amy Poehler’s Golden Globes joke about Swifty going after Michael J. Fox’s son Sam, Swifty replied, “You know, Katie Couric is one of my favorite people… Because she said to me she had heard a quote that she loved, that said, ‘There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.’” So, obviously, the press ran to Tina Fey and Amy Poehler to see what the old, wicked witches had to say about poor, maligned, virginal Swifty. So far, Tina hasn’t taken the bait. But Amy took the bait, and she’s hilarious.

Why you gotta be so mean? Amy Poehler and Tina Fey earned rave reviews for their hilarious stint as emcees for the 2013 Golden Globe Awards in January, but there was at least one person in the audience who didn’t think their schtick was so funny: country superstar Taylor Swift. The 23-year-old “I Knew You Were Trouble” singer found herself the butt of one of the duo’s jokes — Fey warned her to “stay away from Michael J. Fox’s son — and judging by her reaction in the April issue of Vanity Fair, she was not amused.

“You know, Katie Couric is one of my favorite people,” Swift told the magazine when asked about the joke (and about “mean girls” in general). “Because she said to me she had heard a quote that she loved that said, ‘There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.'” (The quote is actually attributable to Madeleine Albright, who said it during a speech to the WNBA’s All-Decade Team.)

Poehler, who followed Fey’s quip at the Globes with one of her own — “Go for it!” she joked to the young star — responded to the comments in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter on Tuesday, March 5. “Aw, I feel bad if she was upset,” the Parks and Recreation actress said of Swift’s reaction. “I am a feminist and she is a young and talented girl.” (In fact, Poehler, 41, started an online network called “Smart Girls at the Party,” where she doles out advice to young women in short “Ask Amy” YouTube clips.)

“That being said, I do agree I am going to hell,” the comedian added. “But for other reasons. Mostly boring tax stuff.”

[From Us Weekly]

And that’s how you take down your critics, Swifty. With grace, humor and aplomb. I’m SO glad Amy prefaced her comment with “I am a feminist…” Because that’s something Swifty won’t do. When Swifty is asked point-blank is she considers herself a feminist, she says, “I don’t really think about things as guys versus girls. I never have. I was raised by parents who brought me up to think if you work as hard as guys, you can go far in life.” Basically, when she’s asked about feminism, she twirls her hair and says, “I can’t be a feminist, I like boys and I don’t want them to feel threatened by me! EW PANTS.” Also, I love Amy’s “I feel bad if she was upset.” Classic non-apology. “I’m sorry you’re such an a—hole” is another classic that I would use in this situation.

OK, I wrote all of that ^^ up last night, and this morning I see that Tina Fey responded too. Tina sounds pissed! She told Entertainment Tonight, “If anyone was going to get mad at us, I thought it would be James Cameron. I did not see that one coming. It was a joke. It was a lighthearted joke.” That was Tina’s version of “Bitch please.”

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  1. Hannah says:

    I LOVE that Amy started her comment with “Aw”!!!

    • sasa says:

      And as we speak Ricky Gervais is starting to write his next awards season monologue. It surely begins with an “Aw”.

      Poor gentle Taylor, she set herself up for a storm.

      • CTgirl says:

        I’m hoping that by the next awards season Ms. Swift is living quietly in Tennessee and we’re not hearing about this nasal singing, self-absorbed twit who takes herself way too seriously. And what is the deal with the younger guys???

    • OutstandingWorldCitizen says:

      I love Tina but Amy notsomuch. WhataC_word- a whole nother subject. That being said, TSwizz is a mess. Get over it. Keep it moving.

  2. T.Fanty says:

    I love that they both responded. The maturity and all-round awesomeness of their responses makes Taylor Swift seem like a bratty little princess. Sit down, little girl.

    • mimi says:

      I like Tina and Amy and have a lot of respect for them, but they mocked her love-life.

      None of them would have liked that (and people could have, especially to Amy) and this was a personal point, not a professional point or about her public persona.

      Taylor is self-made, talented and did it on her own. Her one vulnerable spot is her dating life, so naturally she got hurt.

      They should not necessarily apologize, but they should try to be more sensitive.

      Sorry, but James Cameron earned his spot as a guy who should be mocked and ridiculed, as he allegedly sexually harassed and abused his position and status in more than one way.

      I never heard of anything remotely similar about Taylor Swift.

      • T.C. says:

        Mimi,
        Taylor makes her money off blind items about her love life, Tina and Amy don’t. Taylor can dish it out to trash her Ex’s but can’t take it when her nose is rubbed in it. They made a mild joke about her. Compare that to Swifty’s many, many songs about her ex boyfriends or slut-shaming other girls in her music. Stop trying to turn this mean girl into a victim.

      • Bacon! says:

        Taylor took this out of the realm of ‘personal life’ when she devoted her entire song catalogue to her love life and writing about her ex-boyfriends. She can’t build a career on songs about her love life and then get offended when people make jokes about it.

      • Mitch Buchanan Rocks! says:

        I don’t know about self made – doesn’t TS come from an uber wealth family? So I think her Daddy may have helped out in the fame dept.

      • elo says:

        Hi Taylor!

      • marie says:

        she “made it” by using her dating life, therefore it’s fair game. you don’t want people talking about it, then stop putting it out there on the cover of magazines..

      • Lemony says:

        Mimi, dear, I don’t want to burst your bubble but Taylor is not the virginal princess victim that she & her wealthy parents have created…it’s an image. I don’t mind Taylor doing thing as a singer/songwriter but her image is so transparent at this point. Why can’t she see the humor in it?

      • Jackie Jormp Jomp (formerly Zelda) says:

        It’s pretty well-known that her parents bought her career.

      • lee says:

        yikes, I mostly take issue with the idea that people could have (or should have?) mocked Amy’s relationship troubles. Since when is the breakdown of a ten-year marriage with 2 children open to ridicule or remotely comparable to a series of 3 month courtships that have already been thrown open to media speculation by the parties themselves through song lyrics and photo ops?

        Swift plays the game, so she’s open to comment IMO. Plus, does anyone actually remember the joke? it wasn’t even mean-spirited. A faux-drunk Tina told her to leave little Fox alone while Amy told her to go for it. I think Swift needs some perspective.

      • Happy21 says:

        I agree. Nobody would have dared joke about Amy’s recently failed marriage would they?

        However, I didn’t like Taylor’s quote and felt that it sounded uber-bitchy BUT we all know these mags turn stuff into what was not there. Like deleting certain parts of sentences to make it sound the way they want.

      • The Original G says:

        Poehler would have taken a joke about her relationship breakdown like a champ, if it was funny. Humor is cathartic and counter-intuitive.

      • StaCat1 says:

        When you build your career on your personal life (all the songs about your exes) you really have pointed the bullseye on yourself. But I think she is so immature and into herself- she doesn’t get it.

        I am with Tina/Amy. I regularly laugh at the “world is ending” drama from 20 something co-workers. I feel like “awwww…” all the time. In 20 years maybe she will get it.

        outside of that- she just comes off as whiney and humorless…none of the other “targets” of their jokes have whined.
        She needs to not take herself so seriously.

      • Priya says:

        I love Tina and Amy, way more than Taylor Swift. This two are my faves.

        But Taylor’s being called a slut and whore, and being shamed for dating a lot of guys. She’s only 23. She’s supposed to be playing the field and figuring out what works for her. And guys cheat and lie and manipulate girls all the time. Then they cry foul when they’re called out on it.

      • Priya says:

        I love Tina and Amy, way more than Taylor Swift. This two are my faves.

        But Taylor’s being called a slut and whore, and being shamed for dating a lot of guys. She’s only 23.

      • Priya says:

        I love Tina and Amy, way more than Taylor Swift. This two are my faves.

        But Taylor’s being called names, and being shamed for dating a lot of guys. She’s only 23.

      • valleymiss says:

        Taylor made it on her own? WHAT? Lol ok…moving right along.

        Of course no one would make fun of Amy’s divorce. Amy has never exploited or profited from he personal life. You don’t see her onstage or on Parks and Rec wearing scarves she’s gotten from Will Arnett as a gift, or speaking in a Will Arnett voice (lol!)

        Taylor, you exploited your love life for profit. Now others are exploiting it for jokes. You live by the song, you die by the joke. 😉 Deal with it.

      • jaye says:

        Taylor Swift puts her love life out there and her love life consists of 5 minute relationships. She should expect a certain amount of ribbing. The joke was light hearted and good natured. It wasn’t mean or spiteful.
        And Amy Poehler was married and has children…so not the same thing.

    • bns says:

      Well there is a 20 year age difference. Of course Taylor is immature.

      • Gemini08 says:

        That has nothing to do with it. I was leaps and bounds more mature than Taylor is at 23. I think she’s just a self-absorbed diva in the making who thinks that for some reason her life should be off-limits. Despite her constantly putting it out there for the world to see.

      • Lulu says:

        I’m certainly not saying that you weren’t, but IMHO, we generally tend to look past on our young selves and give ourselves more credit than for maturity than we probably deserve. *wry grin*

    • MsAubra says:

      LMAO!! The quote/comment was so misplaced as well, what exactly were they supposed to help this romantically remedial idiot with???

      Plus, I never liked/supported that comment, although it came from Madeline Albright whom I admire and respect..

  3. Ginger says:

    Amy and Tina’s responses are the epitome of class. Bravo!
    (And I too thought James Cameron would be mad but apparently he may have a sense of humor unlike Swifty).

    • lucy2 says:

      Seriously, if he of all people could roll with a joke like that, Swift should have laughed hers off and moved on.

      • lisa2 says:

        OR she could have just not responded to it. I don’t think anyone was talking about it. there were not reaction shots at the GGs (she was not even in her seat) so it was really a none issue.

        I don’t know why she even brought it up in this VF none interview.

        Celebs need to remember that sometimes you should just ignore if something bothers you. Because your reply, response become another news story.

      • StaCat1 says:

        Agreed. She could have risen above and let it go.

        By continuing the dialogue she makes it way more of a story than it is. That joke was dead and buried and she brought it back to life.

        So all this backlash is on her. I am sure people barely remembered it until she brought it up. And it wasn’t even their strongest joke of the night – by far.

    • L says:

      Seriously, if Cameron can laugh off that joke-Swifty surely can.

      I’m thinking she’s just trying to get another career boost from ‘oh people are picking on me’ like she did with Kayne. She certainly milked that for all it was worth.
      And wasn’t this 2 months ago now? Did she get this upset when Carrie/Brad made the exact same joke at the CMA’s?

    • yolo112 says:

      I expect this little incident to be mentioned in a new song soon. lol

  4. Chordy says:

    “EW PANTS” needs to become a meme of Hey Girl proportions.

    • Chicagogurl17 says:

      Zoey deschanel and Taylor swift can have an “awe shucks, pants off competition”

      • paranormalgirl says:

        You can’t put Zooey and Taylor in the same category. Zooey actually has a sense of humor.

      • Lexie says:

        in terms of how annoying they are…you can.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        Which would be your opinion. I’ve actually met Zooey and she’s fun and not at all annoying. She’s a friend of my former sister-in-law.

      • Lexie says:

        of course it’s only my opinion! i haven’t met her and base my opinion on how she comes off on-screen and in interviews.

  5. Esmom says:

    Bitch, please is right. Tina and Amy have no reason to apologize. If Swifty can’t handle a lighthearted joke like that then she has no place in the business.

    Also, maybe if she’d tone down her behavior she would be less likely to be the butt of jokes. Just sayin.

    • Yolanda says:

      I don’t get why she and bieber are untouchable. They are both spoiled brats. People and mainstream media should call out their shit and openly criticize them when it’s needed.

      • alc says:

        Right on Yolanda! Lainey and Duana have a great piece on these young entitled brats. Donny Osmond never behaved like this!

      • TG says:

        This is why I love Celebitchy so much – So many smart people on here ready to call someone out on their sh*t like Swifty or Shifty as we should call her. Kaiser got this one right again.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        Absolutely. I used to like Taylor, but lately… not so much. She and Bieber are both epic balls of suck.

      • Sweet Dee says:

        A GOOD woman calls people out on their sh!t, rather than helping all women blindly.

        Heiresses don’t need ‘help,’ obvs.

      • StaCat1 says:

        They are part of this young, clueless enttitled group. Just give then enough rope and eventually they will be in rehab or a jeopardy question.

      • Gemini08 says:

        Bieber gets made fun off all the time and doesn’t whine about it like Taylor does.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        no, Bieber just whines about everything else.

    • LadyMTL says:

      ITA! If Swifty has zero sense of humour and can’t laugh at herself then that’s her problem.

    • Chicagogurl17 says:

      Yes!

  6. notpretentious says:

    Great pics of Amy!

  7. Ranunculus says:

    Oh please like Swifty wasn’t the one who stabbed every other girl in school the back for getting in her way.

  8. lucy2 says:

    Amy’s response was perfect – funny, kind, yet firmly reminding Swifty and everyone else that she DOES stand up for women. And I love that green dress.

    I thought Tina’s response was excellent too, and gives Swifty a nice little reminder that she wasn’t the ONLY subject of a joke that night, and it was a JOKE. I don’t know if it was so much as “Bitch please” as “Get over yourself and get a sense of humor”.

    • T.C. says:

      +1

      If James Cameron can take a torture joke you have no excuses Swifty.

      • aims says:

        Yup. Amy’s response was perfect. Taylor needs to chill. I can’t understand why anyone feels that they need to defend Taylor. The joke needed to be said. At least it was funny, it could have been worse. Also, feminist is not a dirty word. More women should embrace it.

  9. kay says:

    ok, i totally disagree with swifty on this one, but i just have to say about the feminist thing, that’s not at all what she said. yeah, you can argue that she’s not a feminist through other stuff she does, but I have to say, as a 21 year old girl (woman? whatev), i basically never think about feminism. it doesn’t occur to me that men and women aren’t equal, but i don’t equate that with feminism. so i don’t think it’s fair to be like that comment means ‘i’m not a feminist coz i like boys’. it means she never thought about feminism, which isn’t that rare for a girl who has probably never dealt with a lot of inequality personally.

    • T.C. says:

      Female celebrities are told not to use the Feminist word cause it alienates male fans. You get labelled anti-male. Only few celebs like Amy are brave enough to use that word without fear of backlash. Swifty is all about managing her image as a virginal boy crazy girl. She will never use that word.

    • someone says:

      kay, i’m about your age as well and i completely understand what you’re saying. honestly, maybe 2-3 years ago i felt exactly the same and rolled my eyes whenever people talked about feminism. “seriously, i’ve never experienced inequality at all.” i would say to myself. and mind you i was relatively educated about the subject matter too. but at the same time i don’t think i was. here’s the thing. i started spending a lot of time reading a lot of articles on the internet, watching documentaries, even youtube channel (target women, it’s amazing) and listening to stories recounted by people. i could give more examples but what i’m saying is that the more i broke out of my own bubble, i learned that hey, even if i don’t feel the inequality it exists elsewhere, and it’s important for me as a woman to be part of the cause and speak about it or at least be aware of it. and through that i started to see how it also existed in my own life. i’m not saying i was becoming this sensitive individual who just nitpicked at anything and yelled “misogyny!!!! omgz” but i realized that part of the reason i wasn’t able to see the inequality happening in my life was because i had yet to understand that the things that were occuring to me that seemed super normal were in fact not always the right thing. does that make sense? you kind of do become more sensitive in a way because you just become more aware. don’t get me wrong by the way i am no way saying you are uneducated or you lack knowledge, i’m just saying that sometimes if you look outside of even your own circumstances. you may discover things in your own life as well and there’s nothing wrong with that. btw i am by no means putting myself as a fantastic advocate for feminism because i have so many faults, but this is just my take.

      • sasa says:

        We need a couple of high profile men to come out as feminists to lessen the anti-men stigma. Now THAT would make me like them in a big way. Any takers?

      • kay says:

        yeah, i’m not saying that swifty or I are right in what we think, but i think it’s disingenuous to go on a tirade about how she doesn’t care about women and just likes boys and pretty skirts because she doesn’t particuarly spend her time worrying about feminism. she’s a 23 year old girl who writes catchy pop-songs and takes herself too seriously. She should learn to take a joke, but to vilify her for her comments on feminism is, I think, a little excessive.

      • sasa says:

        Her comments on feminism are incredibly dumb because she doesn’t realize that she actually has feminism to thank for being able to make those comments publicly.

      • Amelia says:

        Sasa, the Dalai Lama is a feminist.
        Although I doubt he’d be up for chatting about it in Us Weekly 😉

      • stellalovejoydiver says:

        Hey girl, Ryan Gosling?

      • Sparkly says:

        Patrick Stewart has spoken vocally about being a feminist many, many times!

        http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=445

    • Nemo says:

      I understand what you’re saying, but to me Kaiser was spot on regarding Taylor’s attitude towards feminism. I am shocked at how many young women have no relation to feminism, with many actively trying to disassociate themselves from it. This to me is the issue. As a young woman myself, I have discovered that sadly far too many of my contemporaries believe that you can’t be a feminist if you don’t fit some pre-determined image of a guys vs girls ‘feminist’ (just as Taylor stated). I would hope that every woman and man would proudly proclaim that they are feminists, purely because feminism is at its essence the establishment and defense of the freedoms many women enjoy today (rights as simple as having a passport, the freedom to own a home, the right to earn their own living etc). There are of course also many areas that still need to be addressed. And when looking back at history, it’s clear to see that these rights that are taken for granted can also be lost without such continued support. That’s why it matters in my opinion when intelligent young women (and anyone for that matter) don’t feel comfortable calling themselves a feminist. Apologies for the long response. Anyway, Amy and Tina are truly such classy, intelligent, hilarious women. Love them!

    • LAK says:

      The fact that you don’t have to think about feminism because it’s not an issue in your life, right now, is a testament to feminism working.

      You are reaping the benefits of it, which affirms it every moment you do so. And reaping those benefits makes you a feminist even if you don’t think about it or shout it from the roof tops.

      Don’t believe me? Think about those countries where Feminism hasn’t taken root yet. You would be on a par with them or worse if feminism wasn’t alive and working in your country.

      • kay says:

        yeah, thanks for pointing that out. as a university student i had NO IDEA that feminists helped the women’s movement or that women in other countries have less rights. wow, thanks for schooling me. my point is that my experience with feminism is university professors trying to convince me that there is a feminist perspective on 9/11, or only woman get objectified in the media. And i don’t want to be associated with that kind of thinking. swifty saying that she doesn’t really think about it isn’t the same as ‘i love boys so i can’t be a feminist!’ it’s saying that for a lot of young women today, feminism comes after a lot of issues. of course that’s because women from previous generations have forged the past, but it doesn’t change the fact that I hate having pseudo-intellectual feminist discussions about how men are ruining the world. but thanks for taking my comments and assuming that I have no idea about history or culture

      • jen d. says:

        Thank you! This thread was starting to depress me….

      • Nemo says:

        LAK, you make a good point and one that is sadly lost on many and points to a misunderstanding about what feminism actually is. There is a clear and distinct difference between feminist theory related to theoretical or philosophical discourse, and the ‘feminism’ someone like Taylor Swift was discussing. To not be a feminist because you don’t like feminist theory, would be the equivalent of not supporting the civil rights movement because you disagree with critical race theory. Indeed, if you believe that as a female you even have the right to an education, you are a feminist.

      • lucy2 says:

        I agree LAK, though it’s kind of a good sign that younger generations don’t need to think about it and struggle as much. I’m in my 30s and didn’t experience it until college – I’m in a male dominated industry and during a college project where a few girls partnered up, we had a older male professor suggest that some boys “help” us. It was a bit of an eye opener (and pissed us all off royally), as I had grown up being taught that men and women were equal. When talking to my mom about it, I learned what a different world it was for her growing up in the 50s and 60s.

        kay, to be fair, you did say you never really think about it, so I do understand where LAK is coming from. I do get your perspective too though, when your main source of discussion on it comes from university professors who often live in that university bubble, it can skew your view on it until you experience it in other forms.

      • bluhare says:

        Thanks, LAK. Now I don’t have to write the diatribe I was about to write.

        Feminism is about equality for women, it never sought to be better than men. That old saw came from men who didn’t like the thought of change and were not happy with changing the status quo.

      • Shannon1972 says:

        Thank you, LAK! Perfectly stated. I think Kay has to leave university and experience life outside its walls before she truly understands what feminism has won for us – and also how far we have to go.

        Just wait until Kay lands a job, where she has a male collegue who may be as qualified, or less qualified, than she is, but stil makes more money. This actually happened to me, and it was infuriating. I was more educated, more qualified, more experienced, more productive, and had to bail his butt out of a jam many times, but I found out he still made $10k more than me.

        Or let her take her car to a mechanic, by herself, and see how she is patronized and treated as if she can’t understand basic math. Or have some older guy she doesn’t know, call her sweetheart or honey, like a verbal pat on the head. Or see how much she is charged by a repairman, compared to how much she would be charged with her husband or boyfriend standing next to her. I could go on, but I think I’ve illustrated my point.

        Kay doesn’t need to think about feminism now, and that’s great. I hope she never does, but that isnt realistic. All the education in the world wont protect her from the inequality that still runs rampant, even in our country. But at some point, it will become a reality for her. And then she will get it…the feminists that went before us paved the way. But if we don’t continue the cause, the pendulum can swing back mighty quickly.

      • Jess says:

        Amen!

      • Amelia says:

        Very jealous of Kay; by the sounds of it, she’s going through university without coming across the sexism I experienced. During my first year of undergrad, it was (unfortunately) the norm for most female undergraduates to be addressed as “Hey slut.”
        Call me crazy, but I don’t think that’s acceptable. And my Uni (which I transferred from to an infinitely better one in London) did sod all about it. I got ridiculed for daring to declare myself a feminist at age 18, but I think that behaviour shows exactly why feminism’s core values are *still* important.
        Three years on and one degree later, the first Uni has still done sod all about its sexism issues. But it’s been vilified in a couple of newspapers recently, so … in a small way, what goes around comes around.

      • yariettt says:

        Kay,

        Facepalm. Maybe LAK assumed you were ignorant because your own words did a really good job of portraying you as just that.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        shannon1972 said: “all the education in the world wont protect her from the inequality that still runs rampant…”

        Absolutely. An MD, PhD, and 2 MAs later and there’s still rampant inequality, especially in academia.

      • kibbles says:

        A woman once told a girl in college that she’s not a feminist yet because she hasn’t experienced life enough to fully understand the pervasive sexism, discrimination, and violence that still exists around the world. It took me a while to realize I was a feminist. I think I was around 21. It might take longer for others to realize that feminism is still very much needed even in developed Western countries like the US. Taylor Swift is just immature and lives in a bubble so I doubt she will ever feel that feminism is needed, at least in her privileged wealthy world.

    • That is a really great point. My kids too will probably not understand race and gender inequality the same and I certainly don’t feel it as much as previous generations have!! Yeah progress!

    • Sweet Dee says:

      kay, you and Swifty owe your sickening sense of entitlement to millions of women who came before you.

      On that note, after reading several of your posts over a week or so and finding that you are just a young woman of 21, anti-gay, and ignorant enough not to understand or even care about the freedoms you have been given, I’m going to stop responding to your posts after this one.

      Here’s hoping that you live a long, happy life and by the time you die, you learn a few things along the way and realize that EVERYONE has value. Good luck, girly.

      • lady mary. says:

        all this just reminds of the time when i was in a univer hostel and my roomate had coldly told me that she was tired of standing on her own feet and to make things easier she needed a mans support and trust me this was frm an intelligen t girl ,anothr thing abt this generation is they re too lazy to fight for what is theirs ,too lazy to make their way by themselves .and taylor swift is feeding this kind of image with her moronic interviews

    • El says:

      I’ve been a feminist since I was 17, Taylor Swift has no excuse other than ignorance, PR or a genuine belief that gender equality exists to make the statement “I am not a feminist”. Taylor Swift’s every move is perfectly choreographed so I have trouble believing that she would say that without an “angle”. In that case I thought her angle was that she always attacks men in her work and so she wanted to created separation between her sparkly, glitter, rainbow world and the ‘gross, hairy, man-hating’ feminists. Ironically, she then goes on to cite sexism as the source of her criticism, which again is calculated much like other starlets, starlet handlers, cry slut-shaming and other hot button key words whenever it’s convenient fitting or not.

  10. janie says:

    Wow!. If Taylor didn’t go after all these guys, it wouldn’t have bothered her? Who buys property by someone after dating a couple of times? Uh… Don’t throw stones when you live in a glass house.

    • emmie_a says:

      I read that she just sold the house she bought to be by Conor Kennedy… Buying a house next door to your 16 or 17 year old boyfriend is seriously creepy. I guess selling the house for a profit is good business, but she’s still psycho material.

  11. Izzy says:

    Both awesome non-apologies! I’d have been disappointed if they’d apologized for what they said.

    • Katia says:

      Yeah that would have ruined my day !

    • holly hobby says:

      Yes I’m so disappointed that Michael J. Fox decided to apologize for his quip. Please she should get over herself and I’m sure Tracy & Michael don’t even want her near their front door.

      I’ve heard arguments that men write songs about their girlfriends or broken relationships but no one dings them. I think the difference is, not all their songs are about busted up relationships and they are not repetitive either. All of Taylor’s discography contains strong hints about men doing her wrong. Please!

    • Camille (TheOriginal) says:

      Agreed!

      I didn’t think that I could love Tina and Amy more, I was wrong.

  12. brin says:

    Taylor better develop thicker skin, sounds like she can dish it out but can’t take it.

  13. Samigirl says:

    Tina and Amy handled that with class. Taylor needs to learn how to take a joke.

  14. Kaye says:

    I didn’t think I could love Amy Poehler more, but yeah, totally do.

  15. Lb says:

    Her comments didnt merit a response. But I’m glad they did it anyway just to see how they would.

    Taylor’s ok with throwing out shade via her music. But god forbid anyone do the same to her. Hypocrite.

  16. marie says:

    someone needs to shake some sense into Swifty. for one, it was a joke. two, she is not smart enough to take on those two and come out ahead. she came off as a spoiled whiner who can’t take a joke. it was a funny joke and both Amy and Tina’s responses are great.

    also, I’m pretty sure I’m going to hell but not for disliking unicorns, rainbow and Swifty. they’ll get me with the choice words I use (and low flying birds)on any given day while driving home, I think I become a bit of Baldwin.

  17. the original bellaluna says:

    Thank you, ladies, for attempting to show the perpetual 13-year-old how it’s done.

    Mentally and emotionally stunted little girl needs to STFU and have a seat. Preferably in that order.

  18. Stassie says:

    I seriously love Tina & Amy so much, & of course Taylor isn’t a feminist she slut shames girls in her songs if they have the guy she wants.

    • Garvels says:

      Taylor is not a feminist…she is a victim. I can only imagine what was going through Amy and Tina’s head when they heard Taylor’s comment in the VF article. Taylor needs to get a grip….she really needs to get out and experience the real world. She is worth hundreds of millions of dollars and she spins her wheels about some little quip made by Amy and Tina at an awards show.

      I realize Taylor has been generous to various charities but I think those donations were probably instigated by her father for write off purposes; because it is quite clear that this self obsessed looney doesn’t quite comprehend real suffering.

      • bluhare says:

        I’d pay good money to hear what they said when the mic was off.

      • Sweet Dee says:

        I bet they called each other and laughed for a really long time together. Truth be told, Taylor provides a lot of material if you factor in the glitterpony/kittycat/PeterPan/sparklehearts of it all.

        Plus, I’m sure their jokes in private are a lot raunchier. I’d love to hear that too!

      • Garvels says:

        SNL should do a skit on this latest drama….they could have Amy and Tina dressed like devil witches standing by a steamy cauldron boiling Swifty’s unicorns and glitter ponies……….

      • Sweet Dee says:

        Oh I could see it now!

        [scene opens to Tina and Amy, dressed as witches, hunched around a cauldron]

        “Glitter?”
        “Check.”
        “My Little Pony doll?”
        “Check.”
        “DVD of Rainbow Brite?”
        “Check”
        “Eyelash of princess?”
        “Got it.”
        “Baby blue eyes of 18-year-old Prince Charming?”
        “Awww, I forgot the eyeballs!”
        “AMY!”

        etc. etc.

        LOL Ahhhhh it’s so fun.

  19. Kaboom says:

    Why is Taylor Swift “a thing”? I don’t get it.

    • Trillion says:

      And why is she labeled as “country”? In what world is her bland, predictable, beige pop music “country”?

  20. noname says:

    “I should be able to live in a world where everybody loves me. It’s just not fair!” – Taylor Swift

    • Lolly says:

      Bitch totally stole my quote!
      – Anne Hathaway

      • sasa says:

        “Aw, as a feminist it warms my heart to see two ladies so supportive of other women”
        – Amy Poehler

      • Ranunculus says:

        @ Lolly

        LOL!!!

        I would pay to see a cat-fight between those two.

      • I Choose Me says:

        ^^ Hahahahaha. You ladies are making my morning.

        Entitlement. That’s why young stars like Taylor Swift and Bieber cannot handle the slightest bit of criticism.

      • noname says:

        Opps sorry Anne!
        Hey by any chance do you know if James Franco is seeing anyone?I need new music.

        -Taylor Swift

      • Nemo says:

        And if Taylor had succeeded in convincing Tom Hooper that she could actually sing and act, AnnE and Taylor might have had that cat-fight on set.

      • bns says:

        LOL

      • Brittney says:

        Favorite comment thread ever, hands down.

      • KLaw says:

        Ahhh, thanks for the laugh! This fake celebrity dialogue could (should?!) have a post of its own.

  21. chloe says:

    If Taylor doesn’t want people talking about her maybe she should stop talking about people in her songs, it works both ways baby.

  22. sitting quietly says:

    she’s a young girl and was humiliated by the joke. that stuff is tough even for a mature women. she’s trying to stand up for herself but just doesn’t know how to do it yet. i’m sure her skin will thicken as the years go on. she doesn’t realize that it was just a joke, no harm intended.

    • lucy2 says:

      That’s why I wish she would have just said “It hurt a little, I’m still a person with feelings” or something like that, rather than slamming them in the name of all women and trying to make herself seem superior to it.

    • bluhare says:

      That’s why she has a PR team. Who should have stopped that quote the minute they heard/saw it.

    • paranormalgirl says:

      She is not a “young girl.” She is the same age category as Rihanna and Kristen Stewart, both of whom take a lot of heat for their choices and comments. If, at 23, she can’t ascertain what a joke is, then she really needs to take the big girl pill.

    • Eames says:

      She’s been in the industry for upwards of 8 years with 4 best selling albums. As one of the top earners in the music industry, I think she should have learned to handled something as minor as this with A LOT more class. No excuses.

  23. Megan says:

    It is impossible not to just worship Amy Poehler or Tina!

    Amy gave the best response ever, and for anyone to say these women are pro woman is beyond stupid. I mean my God they reduced the former POTUS to nothing more then Hillary Clinton’s husband.

    Classy and great response for that teeny bopper knit whit.

    • Masque says:

      Most people knew Hillary got Bill elected. He was a great president but without an amazingly strong woman in his corner he would not have made it to the presidency. Even he acknowledges how powerful she was/is.

  24. serena says:

    LOL so immature Swifty, so stupid. Going against these two women would only let you gain bad points -as if you already don’t have enough of them lately-.

  25. Eleonor says:

    Taylor honey,learn to laugh at yourself, and probably your relationships would last more.

  26. Gine says:

    I can’t believe how immature Taylor is. I keep forgetting that she’s not actually a teenager, because she sure acts like one.

  27. Maxine says:

    I’m confused. It was a joke but based in FACT. Swift is the one who seems to have no compunction dragging her relationships, which these two women pegged exactly, through the mud. . . er. . . . “song-writing” and then gets surprised when someone calls HER on it. Swift, stop talking/writing/singing about ALL your relationships, which are piling up, go away with AnnE Hathaway and both of you go get a sense of humor.

    Taylor Swift. . . I’m gonna let you finish your article, but Amy Pohler and Tina Fey are the funniest women in America!

  28. Eve says:

    I posted the link to this article on that other thread, but I’m going to post it here as well (because it’s just so perfect):

    http://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_are_better_than_you/yet-another-open-letter-to-taylor-swift-aka-dammit-taylor-do-we-have-to-keep-doing-this.php

    *THIS* is what Switfy should be reading/listening to. NEVER an apology (she DOES NOT deserve one) — I wish they (Poehler and Fey) hadn’t responded to that twit and just let her take the (very well-deserved) backlash for her stupid comment.

    • Miss Kiki says:

      Eve, that Pajiba link is marvelous. One of the best comments I saw on the previous thread was from
      Jackie Jormp Jomp (formerly Zelda)

      ‘It does nothing but take women back a step to support them in everything they do, no matter how crappy, just because you’re a woman too. I’m not going to celebrate idiocy because vagina. We’re not a f*cking sorority. To each on their own merit. I respect the minds of women too much for anything else’

      • Eve says:

        I totally agree with that. By the way, her comment says almost the same thing as this excerpt from Pajiba’s article:

        “But the idea that women need to stand by and support every single woman who comes along, based not on shared opinions or interests, but solely upon a shared genitalia, is ridiculous.”

        Great minds and all that :D.

  29. cumber says:

    Amy response is the BEST!

    She’s very very smart lady.

    Swifty, you gotta learn from that lady.

  30. Belle Epoch says:

    LOVE these comments. It was one of the best jokes of the evening and they actually handled it pretty lightly – not like a fatal poisoned dart!

    Swifty is a self-important delusional hypocrite with zero self awareness. A balloon in search of a pin.

    • Sweet Dee says:

      True. She should have seen the joke coming, she must not know anything about Amy or Tina. Sad life!

  31. Maya says:

    Seriously, good for Taylor for finally standing up to those two woman-hating misogynists Amy and Tina. Someone had to do it!

    /sarcasm

  32. Feebee says:

    Hmm, there were two ways to take it. Obviously Swifty took it the wrong way. And then she made it 100x worse by thinking she had the right to call them on it.

    Amy and Tina replied in their trademark way, that is to say perfectly toned with a wit most of wish we had.

    The James Cameron and Taylor Swift jokes that night were so perfect in that they are pretty unimpeachable. Just the right mix of immediate laughter with a little wonder if it was okay to be laughing given it was true.

  33. gg says:

    Idiot didn’t know not to EVER poke a stick a Fey and Pohler. You will only get back a short stump. So now everybody’s going to try and provoke her.

    • I Choose Me says:

      Yep. I don’t think she realises what a can of worms she’s opened. Taylor’s used to ‘yes’ people and the adulation of her fans. She’s used to winning ALL the awards and having things her way. When something goes wrong, she’s always the victim.

      I don’t think she gets why people are tired of her candy-coated, kitten-y schtick. I really do believe her emotional growth has been stunted.

    • LL2 says:

      Sorry, double post.

  34. Summer says:

    I bet she’s waiting for Tina and Amy to “get in touch” with her like MJF.

  35. Chrissie says:

    Just seeing pictures of Taylor Swift makes my skin crawl. Team Amy + Tina.

  36. originalkay says:

    At this point, Taylor needs to stand up and say “yes, I need to not take things so seriously. Thanks Ladies”
    and be done with it.

    That open letter was fantastic. Thanks for posting it 🙂

  37. poppy says:

    her actual comment about boys vs girls is 100% contradictory. she was brought up to believe IF she works as hard as guys she can go far. she says she was raised that way, thinking about it, her parents emphasizing it, BUT she has NEVER thought about guys vs girls.
    her parents should have kept her in school longer before foisting her on the public. she’s too stupid to be a feminist. or talented.

    now she’s been triple burned. lol

    • Kim says:

      Seriously, the “If she works as hard as boys” means that her parents, and possibly Taylor, assume that boys are hard workers and girls are the slackers who just haven’t been able to keep up because they don’t work as hard. Way to miss the entire point of feminism there, Swifty.

  38. bea says:

    Werd.

    It was over for me when I read that she was drinking “lavender lemonade” in her Capt. Hook decorated apartment. Yucky.

    • Sweet Dee says:

      Yeah, that bothered me, too. Does that mean she puts flowers in it or she dyes it purple?

      If it’s the second, she’s turning into the Mad Hatter. This is what I call her now.

    • LL2 says:

      Yeah the apartment decoration was a bit much for me. I pride myself on being open-minded but I just couldn’t get it.

  39. Dave says:

    Katie Couric believes there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women? I hope she enjoys it there, because she certainly didn’t “help” Sarah Palin. What a hypocrite. That’s feminism in a nutshell: they only speak out or help women who believe the same things they believe. If you’re a Republican or Conservative woman, not only are you on your own as far as groups like NOW and liberal women are concerned, but they’ll even help to tear you down. I’m sure I’ll get flamed for saying these things, but if you think about it and you’re intellectually honest, you know I speak the truth.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      You realize the quote was originally made my Madeleine Albright right, NOT Katie Couric?

      Also, your comment most perfectly illustrates the point that was made by most commenters yesterday. Supporting women and being a feminist does NOT mean blindly supporting women you disagree with or condoning idiocy (since you brought up Sarah Palin). It never has and it never will mean that.

      I’m assuming you’re a man based on your name, and likely a conservative, based on your comments, so as a man and presumably a conservative, would you blindly support Obama because he shares your gender? Of course not and women should NOT be expected to do the same. You understand that is what equality is right? Women have the right to criticize people of the same gender JUST LIKE MEN DO. That very idea is at the core of feminism. If women indiscriminately supported women regardless of their actions then that would only create a means for society to manipulate and con women and frankly, we’re too perceptive and far too intelligent for that.

      On another note, do you consider yourself a feminist? The men I look up to and admire would describe themselves as feminists-it’s not a social stance relegated to females only.

      • Erinn says:

        This. Perfect.
        My fiance said the other day that he guesses he’s a feminist after hearing a good description of one. Coming from a man raised by the kind of people who don’t speak about their feelings, work in the woods, or other trades, and are relatively conservative and religious I couldn’t have been more impressed.

      • Chordy says:

        BOOM! We need a Celebitchy term in your honor for someone getting told to perfection, because I love a good Kit takedown. You’ve been Kittened? TOK Hammer?

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        That’s great, Erinn. My father has always identified as a feminist and my brother as well as most of my close male friends self-identify as feminists as well.

        I mean, the basic idea at the heart of feminism, distilled to its essence, is equality for women. Most men I know can get on board with that but I think they shy away from the stigma of the word “feminist”, particularly when applied to men. Admitting you’re a feminist doesn’t make you turn into a girl, guys..lol… you’re still a dude-you just believe that women are entitled to the same rights as men.

        Hi Chordy! *waves*

      • greenieweenie says:

        Actually, I disagree that feminism is about equality for women. Or, at the very least, that equality is defined in some sense relative to men. The fact is that society assigns responsibility along gender lines. Your house husband can buck those trends–and God bless him for it–but that doesn’t make society any more fair.

        The fact is women do have different considerations than men but we operate within a social structure that rewards male considerations by default. When Hillary Clinton ran for the presidency, for example, she was accused of being a cold bitch. So she momentarily teared up during an interview and was subsequently deemed “too emotional” to hold the highest office.

        When a man tears up he’s simply being sensitive. When a woman tears up, her emotions are out of control. (Or let’s take this scenario further: when Obama invites Common to the White House, he’s “too black” and thugging up the Oval Office. So Obama and Clinton are only acceptable insofar as their ability to be “white” or “male.” Catch my drift? How is that fair?)

        A man has a linear career trajectory. He starts after college, works his way up the corporate ladder and retires at the top. A woman does not. She starts after college, takes a step back in her 30s to squeeze a child or two in before her biological window slams shut forever, and rejoins the rat race a few years later either at the same position as before (if she’s lucky) or, more likely, several strata behind. Wash, rinse, repeat as needed as long as she has children at home, depending on *their* needs (see Anne Marie Slaughter re: resignation from State).

        This means women tend to peak later than men. A man’s best career years are probably between 35-45; a woman’s are probably 45-55 or later. This certainly has consequences for WHERE we end up at retirement.

        But this isn’t recognized by our society. We don’t hold jobs for women on maternity leave so they can pick up where they left off. We don’t reward women who are twice as productive overall but not during the hours of 3pm-8pm when our children need us after school. No, women are rewarded when we act like men: when we take the shortest maternity leave possible; when we pretend nobody else in our lives may need our attention during work hours; when we pretend that we aren’t organizing our job decisions around our ability to have children (how many visibly pregnant job applicants actually get hired? I’d love to know).

        In fact, as a woman, your best bet for career success is to simply not have children at all. A society that doesn’t recognize who we are as women–that only rewards us when we act as men–is NOT a fair society. It may be equal, but it isn’t fair.

        Just thought I’d point that out since feminism is discussed a lot here lately. Feminism is the right for us to not just be accepted into the working world but also to be accommodated as WOMEN–not as men–if we should so choose.

      • EmmaStoneWannabe says:

        @ TOK –
        I think what “Dave” was getting at was just that Katie Couric is a hypocrite: states that quote while working hard to throw other women under the bus.

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        @greenieweenie-
        We hired our Vice President, a 34-year-old woman when she was already 3 months pregnant. She was here for about 4 months before she went on maternity leave for 3 months-so not every company ignores the needs of a working mother.

        That being said, corporations aren’t obligated to be sympathetic to womens’ needs. My company may be the exception but the simple truth is that corporations are motivated by PROFIT. If a man can be more productive (make more money for the company and cost them less in downtime) than a woman then they will generally get the job, period. That’s where the equality comes into play and that’s where the discussion of a woman’s role being defined by a man’s kicks in. Of course it would be ideal if it wasn’t so, but I think there’s nothing wrong with women living up to the same standard as the most talented male professionals. Personally I think matching their tenacity in the workplace IS one way of getting ahead.

        I guess agree to disagree. *shrugs*

        @Emmastone-I understood exactly what Dave meant and I stand by my comment. Feminism is not about women giving other women a free pass simply because they share the same gender. Put it this way: If it was Jon Stewart going after Bill O’Reilly then we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. In fact, if that were the case, then I doubt Dave would have even noticed.

      • sasa says:

        @greenieweenie

        Equality is attainable and measurable. Fairness is a much more complicated animal, perhaps even illusionary. Even if we as a society accept the notion of striving towards fairness, I still think equality is a natural stepping stone.

      • Sweet Dee says:

        @OKitt–fabulous takedown.

        @greenieweenie/OKitt–if it’s possible, I agree with you both, but there’s no need to restate your words and make them my own.

        I love you all, all of you in this thread, except for Dave. Palin makes ALL PEOPLE hate her, liberal or conservative, because she’s an idiot. This isn’t catty, petty woman shit.

        If we’re doing our job as feminists, we need to call out the idiot women, the lying women, and the cruel ones as well. Palin’s at the top of the call-out list, bro.

      • Green_Eyes says:

        Tell it Origin Kitten:)! Lol love the you’ve been kittened comment. As for Dave, Katie telling Taylor that is what Taylor said. Does anyone know if it’s really true? If so, how telling of Taylor to drag Katie inti the mix.

        As for Sarah Palin? She is another who is only out for herself & her family. Name a woman she has helped?? Just saying.

      • Trillion says:

        Katie Couric didn’t help Palin? Are you kidding? Did you watch the “interview”? She was lobbing softballs and Palin totally whiffed all of them. If I recall, this was the infamous “What newspapers do you read” interview. (Palin couldn’t answer that one off the top of her head. Jeez.)

      • Greenieweenie says:

        I don’t think equality is fair, nor do I think fairness is unattainable.

        Maybe an analogy will help: equality is a bit like the “color blind” approach to race relations. Color blindness is unfair. It ignores the very real social injustices faced by one group over another.

        If you’re looking at the endpoint–the fact that you have a black President, for example–it’s easy to mistakenly assume that the availability of the opportunity to become president is equal.
        But it isn’t, and the 43 preceding white male presidents attest to that. This is because of deep social and economic inequalities.

        It’s not the ending point that matters…it’s the starting point. And anyone who is female or a racial minority starts substantially behind a white male–or at least falls behind rapidly (especially women around the time they start having kids). So treating them as if their conditions are somehow equal isn’t fair at all. Obama overcame FAR more than, say, Bush Jr to be in the position to grasp the opportunity to run–and he was aided by affirmative action policies that exist for this very reason.

        My opinions about feminism were shaped by my experiences in the US military. That’s a quick lesson in the need for women to be recognized for who they are as women…and not as simply men, the Beta version.

        I also think these lessons are learned not in your 20s but in your 30s, when you’ve embarked on a career and are forced to realize that 35 year old men don’t have to make the same decisions as 35 year old women. And society CAN alleviate that situation–in many other countries it does so better than in the United States. But hey, nobody ever claimed the US was either fair or equal.

    • Garvels says:

      Dave,

      I am more of a Libertarian than a conservative but my views are more in alignment with conservatives in the concept of small Federal government giving more power to the states and local governments. I would agree with you on how feminists view and treat conservative women but I think Palin is a bad example. Palin is for Palin. Palin is in love with the idea of celebrity.

      • bettyrose says:

        Garvels – can you offer some evidence that feminists “view and treat” conservative men more fairly than conservative women?

      • Greenieweenie says:

        I disliked Palin not because of my/her politics but because she was so grossly uninformed. I was far more qualified to hold the office than she was…and that’s not saying much.

        I don’t know many conservative women but I do know Ann Coulter, and she is repugnant. I dislike her because of her cheap shock tactics–she seems nothing but a an exercise in incivility. In my home country, we call her point of view “hate speech.”

        So, show me an intelligent, informed and civil conservative woman and I will likely hold her in high regard.

    • holly hobby says:

      Dave, how would you like Katie Couric to help Sarah Palin? Katie asked a mundane question, “what newspapers do you read?” Sarah Palin couldn’t answer because she only read the National Enquirer and a track magazine (I read this from her lackey’s memoir). Sorry how can Katie help someone with no depth or character?

      • Laura says:

        I just wanted to jump in on the Palin commentary. I am a registered Libertarian, but lean to the right. I did not and do not like Obama (politically. Personally, I think he’s a very nice person and especially appreciate his work on encouraging fathers to be more present in their children’s lives). I was beating my head against the wall when McCain got the nom for the GOP, and even more when he picked Palin as his running mate. I believe my exact words were ‘WTF is this, Librarian Barbie?!?!’
        But when Palin came to speak to my town, I went, just because I wanted the chance to listen to a politician. I would have gone if it were Biden or Obama, or whoever. Here’s the weird thing. Palin was smart. All of her talking points made sense, and she explained what she thought the USA needed. She not only mentioned end points that she wanted to see, but the steps that she thought we should take to get there, and they all were well thought out and made sense. I remember leaving and thinking, ‘I guess I was wrong about her.’
        And then the next week I saw her on TV again acting like a jackass. All I can say is that I don’t like her, and I don’t know what the hell is wrong with her, but I don’t believe she’s truly as ignorant and stupid as she comes across.

  40. The Original G says:

    Oh well. Now she’s got something ELSE to write a song about.

  41. cheerfulg says:

    Well there Miss Swift, I haven’t read the VF article yet but you have just worked my very last nerve. Since you are worth close to 100 million dollars and are also very (very) young, quite beautiful, a size 0, have access to every designer on the planet and “date” every famous 18 (17) year old boy that walks by you…well: “Yer jest settin’ yerself up fer this kinda shenanigans miz Swift”. Ok ok, not every 18 year old boy…Oh and I do believe Poehler and Fey just received their angel wings for their classy responses….

  42. Masque says:

    The beautiful irony is that Albright quote is refering to bitches like her and Her head is too far up her ass to see it.

    Sidenote, is there something off about the dating timeline mentioned above? She and Harry were off and on for a year? And she dated Jake and Conor sometime during that? Did I misread that or is she trying to rewrite history to look less boy crazy (she seems the type)?

  43. bopit says:

    Poehler and Fey in 2016!

  44. Dani V says:

    Isn’t that nice one can dismiss feminism so lightly. Look little missy, I am old enough to remember when us women had to fight a hell of a lot harder to be taken seriously. Pay some respect to those who have gone before you and paved the way. Feminism isn’t just about about boy verses girl anyway. It just shows you how dense Taylor is. She misses the point.

    I hate to burst your bubble Taylor, but you have morphed into that person you didn’t want to be.

  45. Lindsey says:

    Taylor needs to have a stadium of seats; you do not come for Liz or Leslie.

  46. Mayday says:

    Okay so then by Taylor’s notion, Tina and Amy should have ONLY made fun of MEN during their hosting and not women? Because women shouldn’t be allowed to joke about other women?

    This coming from a girl who is crying “sexist” for ridiculous reasons?

    She should give up living in her tim burton/alice in wonderland/wizard of oz house or whatever it was they talked about in the article and go work as a truck driver as my mom has had to for god knows how long and deal with some of the things she has had to in terms of sexism.

    I was indifferent to her before but this situation has made me officially decide to hate her.

    If she wants people to stop making fun of her maybe she should try talking about something else interviews other than her cry baby (no) sex life.

    And don’t give me the “oh the interviewers FORCE her to talk about it”. Be a grown up and stop writing these whiney songs and stand up for yourself against these people if that’s the case and tell them you don’t comment on your personal life, like a million other celebrities do, and that frankly your sex life isn’t ANYBODY’S business.

    THAT’S being a feminist and THAT’S the kinda of girl/woman that deserves to have people stick up for her.

    This bitch, I swear.

  47. Jennifer says:

    Dare I ask, when did Taylor Swift ever help another woman?

  48. HotPockets says:

    I am shocked too that people still feel the need to defend her. I’ve seen on some comments boards, “But she is still so so young, give her a break.” I’m sorry, but I am two years older than Taylor Swift and her level of maturity makes me feel like I am 3 decades older than her. She has the emotional development of someone who is in their preteens. I was married and had a college degree when I was 23, not whining about dating 18 year old boys and crying about Tina Fey and Amy, who made a harmless joke.

    I think the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that their joke was so tame and mild compared to what other people have said. If Swift insists on having a career on trashing people, then she needs to welcome any backlash she is going to receive.

    I am relieved that people are starting to see what kind of person she really is because she has one of the most controlled images in the business, eventually, it will become more transparent, see Leann Rimes.

  49. Masque says:

    On the plus side, Satan probably wet his pants with excitement when he found out Hell scored Amy.

  50. Diana says:

    Their response was priceless. Thank God for smart and funny women like these two who very subtly can put anyone on their place. Taylor, please STFU!

  51. Cordelia says:

    Hahaha… when James Cameron sounds better than Tay Tay!

  52. greenieweenie says:

    “if you work as hard as boys…” Oh honey, that’s the point. There will come a time in your life when you have a career that doesn’t allow you to take time off at will to go raise children. And that’s when you won’t be working just as hard as boys…you’ll be working twice as hard. And nobody will recognize it. And you won’t get ahead. And that’s the problem.

    But hey, I guess it’s kind of simperingly cute how at 22, you still don’t know what the word “feminist” means. So there’s that.

  53. tia says:

    Heffa please.. high five to Amy and Tina!! Grow up little Swifty..

  54. MsAubra says:

    LMAO!! The quote/comment was so misplaced though, what exactly were they supposed to help this romantically remedial idiot with???

    Plus, I never liked/supported that comment, although it came from Madeline Albright whom I admire and respect..

    • bettyrose says:

      I guess it depends on how you interpret the comment. I don’t think she intended to say that all women should help all other women merely on the basis of being women; but women who believe the only way to raise their own status in society is to curry favor with men . . .and that the only way to impress men is to belittle other women . . .it’s all too common, sadly, and I believe that’s the phenomenon this comment is addressing.

      • MsAubra says:

        True, but I doubt every broad on facebook that copied it as their status perpetuated it that way…it got old and tired much like anything else people copy and post so damn much…

  55. Green_Eyes says:

    Cheers for Amy & Tina..& that’s how it’s done. Hmmm Swifty doesn’t want to come off as Vain or stuck on herself (Instyle UK interview). Your misuse of Ms. Albright’s quote in reference to Amy & Tina shows your already there. Throwing Katie Couric into the mix makes you look pathetically there.

    Think if you can’t take a light hearted joke at an awards dinner about yourself (when clearly others were joked as well & I’m sure you laughed at those).. then TIME TO GET OUT OF THE LIME LIGHT!

    It is TIME however to Slip Away with no Press or
    PR while you develop adult people skills, a sense of humor, a mor mature outlook, & realize the world does not revolve around you nor out to get you. Then.. Maybe then you might be surprised how many fans you could have over the age of 21!!!! But for the love of all that is holy she just needs to shut up!

    • holly hobby says:

      Well I hope no one gives this twit a Friar’s Roast. I can just imagine the fit she would pitch. Or she can have one that is carefully controlled like Tommy Girl’s (no jokes on the guest of honor).

      • EscapedConvent says:

        But if there ever is a Roast, let it be Tina & Amy who do the roastin’.

    • The Original G says:

      NO, I want to see Lisa Lampenelli do it.

  56. RHONYC says:

    it’s Amy & Tina’s world…they just ‘allow’ Swift to live in it. 😆

  57. Pixie says:

    I really want to like Taylor but she makes it so damn hard!

  58. The Original G says:

    I am totally cool with Taylor fully expressing her personal sexual agency. I’m on board with using aformentioned experiences as fodder for her creativity.

    But there is a real difference between confession and creation and it’s time she learned that.

    It’s also time she learned that if she doesn’t have brains to be discreet she can’t count on the rest of the world to tip toe around her just because she’s a female artist.

  59. Moore says:

    I don’t completely trust the Vanity Fair issue. You see that they say Taylor made that quote about Tina and Amy and other mean girls. Articles can cherry pick and can twist words. That is why I trust recorded interviews a lot more. We don’t know how the interview flowed. Maybe they just talked about the joke for a little bit and then moved into mean girls in general and the article made it sound like she was knocking Tina and Amy when in her mind the conversation had just moved on. The articles want to make money by being as sensationalistic as possible.

    • Happy21 says:

      I totally agree.

      We don’t know what else was said and what they left out so that the interview is at its juiciest.

    • The Original G says:

      “Articles can cherry pick and can twist words.”

      And so do songs…..

      • Moore says:

        Yea so. Most people don’t expect songs to be factually accurate. Me I don’t really pay attention to lyrics when I lisen to music because they are all so stupid and repeat themselves.

      • G says:

        Well, I guess when you get on an international awards show and sing your big big break-up song after your recent break up with your English boyfriend and parody him with a British accent that might be seen as some cherry picking and twisting of her own.

        BTW, if you take the words away from her songs, there’s not much left, is there?

      • Moore says:

        Parody is not cherry picking it is just parody. And I don’t think she was using an accent.
        But the original comment was about interview styles not Taylors performances.
        I like music without words just fine. I see the human voice as just another instrument to add to the other insruments.

    • Eames says:

      I don’t disagree that sometimes articles paint a bias picture, but this is a veteran and esteemed journalist. I doubt everything this article offers up is fabricated. I’m sure some of it is embellished to make for a more interesting read, but do you honestly doubt that Swift made a friend talk about Harry Styles just to “keep her hands clean”? I’m sure she used this quote to try and portray her haters as woman who don’t 100% support other woman and it was sooo misguided in any way you draw it up.

    • Jollytr says:

      I was thinking the same thing … Vanity Fair isn’t exactly the epitome of journalistic virtue. I’d like to hear the tapes of the interview … if they are as presented then I’d skewer TS too. There’s just something “off” about the article. TS is a little more savvy than to attack two loved women in such an overt and offensive way. If anything, TS would jump on the bandwagon of their popularity …

    • holly hobby says:

      VF isn’t Star or National Enquirer. They are the same publication that produced that expose on Scientology. The Cult made a big fuss about how the article was “fiction” but they didn’t sue them etc. I consider VF sources to be pretty much non-impeachable.

      • Moore says:

        They determined that an article about Scientology would sell well. These mags are a business. I don’t consider any news outlet unimpeachable.
        And reporters are human. If this women just didn’t like Taylor she can bend it any way she likes.

  60. Jess says:

    I love Amy and Tina, so go ladies! That being said, I don’t think anyone can win taking on a talented, smart comedian. They’re always going to give the best responses. Jon Stewart is another example of this.

  61. HappyJoyJoy says:

    For someone who dishes so much sh!it out, she surely can’t handle taking it back. Boo hoo, poor Swifty. NOT!

  62. valleymiss says:

    This attitude of Taylor’s started (publicly) way back with the Kanye thing. I initially felt bad for her, but oh lord, she milked that situation but GOOD. Months later, she’s still referring to it, writing songs about it. I honestly felt bad for Kanye at that point.

    But in a very slight defense, Taylor would be apt to think the world is on her side (everyone except for mean ol’ comedians) because does anyone else remember, freakin’ OBAMA even weighed in on the Taylor/Kanye thing? A reporter asked him what he thought and he responded “Kanye’s an ass.” Which was a totally imappropriate response. I know he’s got daughters so he knows about this stuff, but (just like with Michelle presenting at the Oscars) it didn’t belong. It’s frivolous. It’s a waste of time and intellectual energy. He should have responded, “I’m the president of the United States…can you ask me questions about the nation’s debt, or foreign policy?”

    So if you’re then 20 yr old (or whatever) Talor, the f&%$ing POTUS has just taken your side after someone was mean to you. It’s exactly this kind of thing that’s made Taylor the least self-aware, victimized celeb on the planet. The most important man in the world is commenting on your problems. This doesn’t exactly subtract from or lessen a pop star’s opinion of their importance.

    • valleymiss says:

      I wanted to add…I like Obama…but he and Michelle are way too involved in the entertainment media. Hillary and Bill had celebrity friends also, but they were smart enough to keep it behind the scenes for the most part.

      And, the whole “Obama gives his opinion on Kanye” thing gave Kanye an inflated self-worth also. No wonder he was such a martyr/victim…the POTUS was calling him an ass over something he did at an awards show.

      All of this just serves to give celebrities an over inflated sense of self-worth. No wonder they have ZERO perspective.

    • Bijlee says:

      + a bajillion.

  63. Kelly says:

    I used to support Swift but no longer. She seems like a real jerk.

  64. Nev says:

    Bitch please. Hahahahahaha

    Really funny post.

  65. Cordelia says:

    It’s a sad day when James Cameron comes off as the better person.
    Also, Taylor is the type to read her own press.. hopefully this will learn a thing or two about what it means to be a woman from this.
    She should do what John Mayer did after his playboy interview and go away for a few months.. This is someone who needs perspective..

  66. Denver Danni says:

    This is the first time I’ve ever wanted to troll someone on Twitter. What a dumb, entitled, talentless, POS brat. These women have worked so hard, become so successful, they will have careers long after people forget this dumb batch existed. They’ve worked hard enough that they don’t have to apologize for being funny with an asterisk that says: *for a woman. jklagdjkladsfl;afsdl;r ARRRGGGHHHH

  67. Emma says:

    Boy, we sure like to tear them down once they reach the top of the mountain. If Tina and Amy were classy they would have just apologized to Taylor for hurting her feelings – enough said.

    • valleymiss says:

      Actually, Emma “we” are not all Taylor Swift fans. I think she can’t stay in tune when she sings live, she doesn’t have much strength or projection as a live singer, and the songs she (I mean, she and a team of unnamed songwriters) writes are all about the same thing – boys who broke her heart.

      And I think it’s sh*tty the way she milked the Kanye thing. His mom has died suddenly and unexpectedly. He was obviously going through something very tough (and he was photographed on the red carpet before the awards, drinking heavily straight from a bottle) and you chose to flip that situation for months to suit you. Kaney’s got more talent in his pinky than you’ve got in your bobbleheaded body.

    • holly hobby says:

      Well Emma, is Taylor going to apologize to Camilla Belle for slut shaming her? How about the smear jobs she did on all her men (yes I don’t think she’s a virgin so the virginal act is really stupid).

    • garvels says:

      It seems to me that Taylor has no problem in tearing someone down like ex-boyfriends and brunette girlfriends of her ex-boyfriends and anyone that dares to question her exposure of her personal life. I believe that is why there is such a visceral backlash to Taylor’s VF interview.

    • Apsutter says:

      It’s called comedy, moron. Amy and Tina have nothing to apologize for. If Taylor would grow the hell up and have a sense of humor about herself she could have laughed and brushed it off just like everyone else they made jokes about during the Emmy’s. Taylor acts like a self important little twit and I think she’ll find that she is trying to take down the wrong people because Amy & Tina are universally loved. Taylor, not so much.

  68. Elena says:

    The problem with Taylor is, she’s not out of high school yet. And I don’t think she will be anytime soon. The way she sees it, she’s still a 15- year- old in the school yard and those mean senior girls are bullying her for being so pretty and fair and liked by the boys: “They are just jealous of me, there’s no other explanation! Well, I can be mean, too, but I’ ll blink and blush through it, not to betray the facade.”
    As I said before, Taylor needs to take a break. She’s gifted, in my opinion, also successful and is considered a role model by so many young girls, she is not a victim in reality, just in her own mind.

  69. claire says:

    I don’t listen to her music at all. I just find her annoying from her media coverage. Yesterday I was reading another article about this and people were pointing out lyrics in her songs where she frequently attacks other women, slut-shames, etc. I thought it was bad enough that she revenge-writes about all her exes. So yeah, Taylor, you need to just STFU about women helping other women.

  70. sam says:

    So according to Taylor shaming someone through song is acceptable, but shaming someone through comedy is not ok?

  71. Apsutter says:

    T. swift…what a little bitch. She better not mess with Tina and my Amy or Ill cut a bitch!

  72. april says:

    I thought that was a horrible and immature comment that Swift gave regarding they should be going to hell. Swift deserves the backlash.

    Tina and Amy were poking fun and were not being mean. If Swift can’t take a joke, get out of the limelight.

  73. Umila says:

    She totally handled the whole Kanye thing better than this (lol). She was waaay more mature “years ago”

  74. erika says:

    she’s an idiot. she has no clue what the definition of, or ideaology of feminism is….”I don’t think about things as guys versus girls.”

    feminism is not ‘who is the better/smarter gender’ feminism is embracing the strength, grace, nurture and power that woman/women can bring to this world. it’s not a contest.

    jesus…she probably thinks all feminists are lesbians..

    people/celebrities all over are getting really tired of swifty. really, tired. i suggest she lay low or go underground for a while and really live life anonymously, educate herself, travel, lose not only win and then come back. you might find you have a lot of songs to write when you have experieced your life outside the spotlight and have not boychased as aggressivvely and naively as she has

  75. Daria says:

    Taylor Swift is boring, overexposed and tries too hard to be a celebrity. It’s no longer about just “her music”. She would do well to disappear for awhile.

  76. pwal says:

    Good lord… sprout a sense of humor. Compared to boobs song, this is nothing, especially since most people probably thought the same thing, especially after her hookup with the Kennedy kid.

    I’m not huge fans of Fey or Poehler, but good for them for not backpedaling. Poor MJF had to, since she encouraged her fans to harass him when he dared to weigh in on his son and his lack of enthusiasm towards the idea of Swifty. He was rather tactful, versus taking the Jackie Stallone tack and ripping apart any undesirable that sniffed around her son.

    We get it, Swifty, you think that you’re any boy/man/man-boy’s dream – is it okay for everyone else to disagree?

  77. EscapedConvent says:

    Yes, this whiny little poser needs a sense of humor, desperately. But she should have one by the age of 23, so maybe that’s not gonna happen for her.

    From now on, I’m going to apply the question “What would Dame Helen Mirren do?” to posts about Swiffer, & others as they come up. 😉

  78. Jane says:

    She’s so uncouth. Dear God, she needs to go to charm school and get some manners. I think she and Beiber would make a lovely couple (cue sarcasm). They are both arrogant and rude. It seems as if they are cut from the same cloth in so many ways.

    • Jane says:

      Ooops…kinda missed saying that it was Taylor who is the issue here. Not Amy and Tina. LOVE both of them!!!

  79. silver says:

    awwww I love Amy.

  80. larry says:

    Just sounds like two old hags making fun of weak little girl,

    • paranormalgirl says:

      Weak little girl. What a thing to aspire to be. To always be infantalized and to be stuck in a perfect Hello Kitty Lisa Frank world. Sorry, I aspired to be more at 23. Shit, I aspired to be more at 13. There is more truth and strength in those “two old hags” than there will ever be in Ms Swift.

  81. lena says:

    LMAO Amy is hilarious 😛 Taylor go STFU!

  82. Annyong Bluth says:

    Ugggghhhhhh… i just can’t with this girl this early in the morning! she’s 23 yr old and constantly reminds me of a bratty 13 yr old. She has one of the most contrived images in HW and all she worries about or talks about is her boyfriends or her songs (which are about her boyfriends). Im of same age as her and the things im worrying about is how to pay for my electives and boards! seriously grow up. there are far worse things in this world than people joking about ur lovelife.

  83. Francesca says:

    Part of growing up is developing a sense of humor. Learn to laugh Swifty; its a hella lot better than going after seriously wonderful other women over nothing!