Taylor Swift: ‘The only love worth being in is the love worth singing about’

Taylor Swift has a very Taylor Swifty new interview with Rolling Stone. She did the interview on the road during her Red tour, which is grossing crazy money at this point. You can read the full RS piece here – there are some interesting details about random stuff, like Taylor knows a lot about hydraulic stage-lift systems and she’s pretty much touring only on weekends (which I didn’t know). I found Taylor’s pop culture references more interesting, which I’ll get to at the end. I’ll just say that I think Tay-Tay has finally been reading some Kerouac.

RS: Onstage, you discussed writing a lot of songs in your bedroom at 2 a.m. What’s it like to go from that to playing it for a huge stadium?
TS: I think the most miraculous process is watching a song go from a tiny idea that you have in the middle of the night to a song that a group of 55,000 people is singing back to you so loudly that you can hear it louder than your own voice coming out of the speakers, in a concert in a stadium. And I think that for me, that’s the final part of the process. You know, I’m still so in love with songwriting because it’s never the same. You never get the same fragment of information as an idea. It’s never just a chorus or a first line – it’s always something different. And to piece it together in the crossword puzzle that ends up being your song and have it end up here is so rewarding, you know.

You also talked about the “fiery, difficult, complicated emotions” that drive those songs. You seem very comfortable talking about those emotions at length onstage.
I am getting to a point where the only love worth being in is the love worth singing about. And kind of mad love. I think that for me, when you experience something that’s worth writing a song about, chances are it’s the same kind of intense feeling that someone else has felt, and it has led them to be sitting on a bedroom floor crying, or walking through a crowded room feeling alone or feeling misunderstood by the person who’s supposed to know them better than anybody else. Those are things that make you feel really alone, and if someone’s singing a song about that feeling, then you feel bonded to that person, and I guess that’s the only way I can find an explanation why 55,000 people would want to come see me sing.

The show gets pretty dark. During “Red,” there’s a moment where what looks like blood is spilling across the video screens. Is that somebody’s blood?
Actually, no. I’ve never been into shock value and gory and scaring people. It’s actually paint, so it’s actually just supposed to be the general concept of something red and something flowing – just red things. Like, there’s red fabric, red paint being thrown against a wall. It’s not blood. “God, we went to Taylor’s show – it was really violent!”

How do you feel you have grown as a performer, especially in stadiums?
I feel like you have to push yourself in order to become a better performer, and I never want a fan to leave the show saying, “That was just like the last tour.” I like touring extensively because I think the more hours you spend onstage, the more you know who you are onstage. The more you throw yourself out of your comfort zone in the studio, the more colors you have to paint with when you go into the design stages of your tour. At the end of the day, the sound of a screaming crowd is my favorite sound, and the sight of a sold-out stadium is my favorite view. Everything derives from that and revolves around making those people dance, sing along, feel like they aren’t alone, and ultimately want to come back and see me next time.

You posted some images from your Fourth of July party you had this summer. What are your other favorite offstage moments of the summer so far?
I think the Fourth of July was way up there, just because anytime there’s face-painting and frolicking involved, I’m really excited about all of those things. I’ve loved really being with my girlfriends a lot. Like, there have been a lot of kitchen dance parties with my girlfriends. The wonderful thing about playing a lot of stadiums is it’s the equivalent to playing three or four arenas, so you have a few more days off. So I’ve really enjoyed getting to have a summer and also have a really high-intensity job waiting for me.

So you’ve been hanging out in Rhode Island a lot?
I’ve been in Rhode Island a lot. I’ve been in L.A. a little bit. Man, Rhode Island’s a good place. It’s a really good place.

Are you reading or listening to anything at the moment that you’re excited about?
I’m going back and revisiting Carly Simon a lot. I’m listening to a lot of Carly Simon. And I have a copy of [F. Scott Fitzgerald’s] Tender Is the Night that I’m about to start reading, because I read it a long time ago and I want to reread it. I’ve been reading a lot of different things, but I really like [Gillian Flynn’s] Gone Girl and [Jess Walters’] Beautiful Ruins. They’re great stories. They kind of take you away.

[From Rolling Stone]

I have Beautiful Ruins sitting beside my bed, but I haven’t started it yet. But anyone who describes Gone Girl as a “great story” which “takes you away” might not have really read it. Gone Girl is a good book, for sure, but it messes with your mind. Unless Taylor is acknowledging that she might be cut from the same cloth as Amazing Amy? That’s not such a stretch. And of course she’s reading F. Scott Fitzgerald – that reference is so obvious! But her talk about “mad love” seems like a reference to some Beat Generation literature.

“I am getting to a point where the only love worth being in is the love worth singing about” = she’s going to keep on singing songs about all of her boyfriends. Forever and ever. That’s her shtick and she’s shticking to it.

Photos courtesy of WENN.

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  1. BooBooLaRue says:

    Classic love addict.

    • sirsnarksalot says:

      Maybe, but who doesn’t want to fall in love like that? Especially at that age? I don’t get everyone ragging on this girl because she sings about love. No one complains that Adele wrote an entire album lamenting ONE failed relationship. She’s harmless and a much better role model for young girls than the Lilo’s and Mileys.

      • Bijlee says:

        See I hate the idea that any of them have an expectation to be role models. Miley’s try hard and despo, Swifty defines herself through men and all her boring ass relationships (she’s also very try hard), and Lilo is just a mess. They’re all obnoxious, vapid, and incredibly dull.

        Like I said yesterday. Young boys need role models more than women do IMO. If young girls would stop idealizing these morons intelligence (LOL), beauty, minimal talent, etc. And just take them for what they are, products. The world would be a better place. There wouldn’t have to be this comparison all the time and all this competition between who’s better and whose more beautiful, talented, etc, etc, etc.

      • InvaderTak says:

        Who doesn’t fall in love like that? Especially at that age?

        Me for one. Most of my friends for another. We exist and are not a small segment of our age group. Please don’t generalize.

      • sirsnarksalot says:

        That’s an offensive generalization? I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting to fall in love. Seems a little cynical to me to think its lame to have strong feelings for someone. Most pop songs are about love, in case you hadn’t noticed…

      • Emily C. says:

        Here is the kind of “love” Taylor Swift’s songs revel in, as quoted from the interview above: And kind of mad love. I think that for me, when you experience something that’s worth writing a song about, chances are it’s the same kind of intense feeling that someone else has felt, and it has led them to be sitting on a bedroom floor crying, or walking through a crowded room feeling alone or feeling misunderstood by the person who’s supposed to know them better than anybody else.

        I have never wanted to experience a love that made me miserable, even when I was a teenager. Now, having experienced it in the past, it is certainly not something I want to wallow in. I don’t want to be 19 again, thanks. And it is most definitely NOT the only kind of love worth writing a song about.

      • cs says:

        @sirsnakalot

        Thank you.. I don’t get it either. People act as though heartbreaks end at 18 years old, it doesn’t. I admire Ms. Swift just because she calls out douches. John “David Duke” penis Mayer can tell the world that Jen A was boring and he would pay $10k to F**k Jessica. However, Taylor humiliated him in her song ??? What kills me is that the anger/hate comes mostly from women.

        Go Taylor with you’re bad self!!! U don’t have to show your ass/tits and still have over 30 million twitter/Facebook followers, never been arrested for DUI, falling out of clubs drunk…

    • Dawn says:

      I think I was at that age as well. What is she all of 22? If she is still doing this at 32 or even 42 well then she has a problem. She has been in the business long enough that I think people start to believe she is older then she really is.

  2. Bijlee says:

    Because that’s the kinda love that makes you money.

    • Pastyousayyouneverknew says:

      Bingo. Lol.

      I don’t care what anybody tells me, diss Tay all you want but she converts “heartbreak” into money lol, she’s a shrewd businesswoman though she hides it under antique-hunting and polka dots.

      • Nan says:

        I’d actually like her more, still hate her music, but like her persona more if she dropped the virginal act and showed off her shrewdness.

      • Anna says:

        @Nan – She doesn’t have a “virginal act”. Her very first single is about fucking her summer fling in his Chevy truck. People roll out such lazy generalisations when it comes to Taylor.

    • pao la says:

      Exactly. She cries all the way to the bank and comes out of it with a big fat smile.

    • Kiddo says:

      Ha!

  3. Madriani's Girl says:

    Oh shut up. Please.

  4. Marisa says:

    ……and gives you attention.
    Enough with this girl. She needs a new shtick.

  5. Nev says:

    Enough. Cheese.

  6. Little Darling says:

    just because anytime there’s face-painting and frolicking involved, I’m really excited about all of those things.

    We know you are Taylor. Especially if the frolicking involves a professional photographer, some 50’s inspired clothing and a “name” branded celebrity who is interested in hearing his mad love with you singing back at him by 50,000 people in a sold out stadium.

    Reading this is like reading a very young teenage girls diary, albeit with a touch more censorship.
    She’s a complete confusion. So young in feel, yet wise and calculating.

    • Anna says:

      We got one set of posed photographs all summer. She’s been there every single week with different groups of friends.

  7. brin says:

    Look at meeee, I’m Sandra Deeee!!

  8. Shannon says:

    Could she be anymore of a cheese ball? Ugh!

  9. Willa says:

    Beautiful Ruins is a good book. It does take you away.

  10. Meggin says:

    She’s irritating. How many 50s inspired bathing suits does she even have?

    • Shannon says:

      And stand up straight for crying out loud!! She looks like an 80 year old with that bathing suit and poor posture.

  11. Dani says:

    I love her. She does annoy me at times, but overall I love her. If I had a daughter, I’d want her to listen to her music and have Taylor for a role model. We’re so critical of all young girls, more so than the men, I’m going to support her and not tear her down. Rihanna’s behavior is what we should be questioning but Taylor, nah. She just started showing off her body in her 20’s and this is the bikini she chooses. Love her, come on guys! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • sirsnarksalot says:

      totally agree. But we are in the minority…

      • Dani says:

        apparently lol! just trying to keep some perspective

        (I personally think a lot of people base their opinions on Kaiser’s, her columns/blogs are right up there with Michael K, genius, I laugh at what they say but I can think for myself you know)

      • anon33 says:

        Rather, I think people come here and stay BECAUSE THEY AGREE with Kaiser about certain things. I can think for myself too.
        For example, I like Kim Kardashian. *runs away*

      • Dani says:

        lol yeah, I hear you, I’m sure there’s people that do naturally feel that strongly opposed to Taylor, but there’s a mob mentality on this website too. **cumber-cough**

      • Nerd Alert says:

        I wouldn’t say I hate Taylor, but I certainly don’t like her music and just can’t take her personality seriously.

        THAT SAID, there is definitely a mob mentality on this website. Cumberbatch is a perfect example, and Fassbender is also one. Nobody gives a flying f_ck about either of those guys outside of this website. Of course they have their die-hards, but so does literally every other actor out there. Also see: Dita Von Teese (???) and Tilda Swinton, the Polanski supporter, who gets a golden, gleaming pass while Polanski is (appropriately) ripped to shreds here.

    • Becky1 says:

      I think Taylor is harmless but I don’t think she’s the best role model (not that she has to be a role model-most entertainers aren’t). I thought it was sad that she felt the need to get breast implants and wasn’t okay with being her natural small chested self. She looked fine before-she’s someone who’s meant to be small busted.

    • IzzyB says:

      I wouldn’t want any future kids to look up to her.

      I’d want them to look up to Shirley Manson and listen to the Wonder Years. They sing openly about their mistakes and are all about empowering yourself.

      “I’ve not got roses in the closet,
      But I’ve got pictures in the drawer,
      It’s everything left in me not to look at them any more,
      I’m not a self help book,
      Just a f***ed up kid”

      Now THAT’S a break up song.

      Taylor seems hung up and whiney on every boy, I’d hate to see my kids thinking like that.

  12. Marty says:

    Did she get bigger implants or were they always that size?

  13. Nan says:

    Image is everything. So, if people believe that I’m the virginal, relatable girl next door, people and I mean teenage girls will continue to give me their money.

    One day the real Taylor Swift will stand up and it will probably be revealed the same way the real Reese Witherspoon was.

    • Anna says:

      As I mentioned, Taylor has never presented herself as virginal. There’s are sexual references all over her music. And unlike Reese, there have never been whisperings of negative encounters with Taylor.

  14. Hannah says:

    I didn’t care for Beautiful Ruins…

  15. Yellowshaba says:

    She has the mental equivelant of a 14 year old. Or is that part of her schtick too

  16. boredbrit says:

    Oh, you mean the kind of love where you bitch them out for being a ‘hipster’ in your songs? Ok, that makes sense.

  17. TheOneAndOnlyOnly says:

    Good points nan yellowshaba; none of these cheeseball celebutards are “role models” (Where did that notion even come from?) Her music is awful, and i’ve read too many stories on this site and others on how talentless she really is without the regiment of handlers/managers/pros making her look good to naive tweens.She only has two or three songs she’s attempts to sing in different ways.

  18. Nerd Alert says:

    LOL@her granny pantie bikini. And LOL@frolicking.

    I don’t hate this girl, but I definitely don’t take her seriously. She’s a frickin’ Saturday morning cartoon all by herself!

    Speaking of books, does anybody have some non-romancey, non-teenagery fiction suggestions? My current series is getting boring and predictable, I won’t be reading the 3rd installment so I need something new.

    • Emily C. says:

      What genres do you like?

      • Nerd Alert says:

        Love sci-fi, love mystery and action books. I like fantasy a lot, but it seems the new ones are all geared toward teenage girls and so the writing is at a 16-y-o level.

        You know, though, if the writing is good enough I’ll enjoy anything, aside from the predictable or something with bland characters. Know of anything with great writing and/or awesome character development?

      • Emily C. says:

        I’m going to guess you already read Lois McMaster Bujold. How about Jim C. Hines?

      • paranormalgirl says:

        @Nerd Alert – Read “Wool” and “Shift” by Hugh Howey. If you get them on e-reader, get the “omnibus editions” (all the sections in one book – they’re like $5.99 on Kindle and Nook). They are well written and very good sci-fi. The final book “Dust” comes out next week.

      • Nerd Alert says:

        @Emily

        Oh, yes. I read so much Bujold during HS/College I got behind in my studies. I’ve only read Jim C. Heins’s first book. Looks like they both have a lot more out since then, though. Are there any from either of them you would particularly recommend?

        @paranormalgirl

        Thanks for the suggestion! I usually use GooglePlay to download books but it’s not on there. Luckily I have a friend with an extra Kindle!

        Yayy I so appreciate good book suggestions. Who woulda thunk? On a Taylor Swift post!

      • Emily C. says:

        The Vorkosigan books are my favorites of Bujold’s. She also writes fantasy, which I haven’t really gotten into yet.

        For Jim C. Hines, his goblin books are excellent. His “princess” books (in which Cinderella, Snow White, and Sleeping Beauty kick ass) are also very good, but be warned they can be pretty depressing. He has a new urban fantasy series, Libriomancer, which is also good — and again, can also be depressing, especially if you have a sentimental attachment to mid-Michigan.

      • Nerd Alert says:

        Perfect, Emily, thank you!

  19. Hakura says:

    I’ve always found her annoying, but always gave her credit in regard to her song-writing. I’ve always been good w/music (perfect pitch & being able to harmonize to anything), but I’ve never been able to *write* music.

    If being compared to Miley/Rihanna, I admit I’d rather any daughter I had be a Taylor fan. That doesn’t mean I like her, though. She just isn’t as ‘in-your-face-sexual’ as the others.

  20. angela says:

    yes…so worth being in that you boy hop…

  21. Raquel says:

    Is that the kind of love that makes you sing/trash them in the cd after the inevitable breakup like a vengeful fourteen-year-old?

  22. Allie says:

    I hate those granny panties! It drives me nuts, she’s so thin but they make her look horrible. If she’s shy and doesn’t want to wear skimpy suits, they are bottoms that are in between. But stop with the high waisted shorts, pants, suits. Not a good look

  23. Emily C. says:

    Is there a kind of love that’s not worth singing about? What the heck is she talking about? This hierarchy of how good/strong/whatever a romantic love is happens in Twilight too. I do not understand it.

    She’s 23 years old. It’s fine that she only sings love songs, I have no problem with that at all. But her attitude is very immature. I haven’t heard one song from her that makes me think, “yeah, that’s what love is like.” Maybe if I were 13.

    • Nerd Alert says:

      +1

      Nice connection! I find it’s easy to use Twilight as a metaphor for so, so many twisted opinions. I haven’t seen the movies but it the books Bella and Edward are the MOST in love, while Bella and the gay werewolf had less important, less meaningful love. Of course, that made him less protective of her, which she needed as a helpless, weak little woman.

      Tay-Tay probably has the full listing: love hierarchy on unicorn glitter paper in her purse, for reference.

      • Emily C. says:

        And romantic love is presented as the only thing in life that matters one bit. Love for family or friends (what are those?) or one’s self are nothing at all. Pets don’t exist. Let alone anything else in life, like helping others or intellectual pursuits or a career or just plain having a good time once in a while. Romantic love for The One Person is the only thing that exists.

        Susan Fromberg Schaeffer explored the sickness of this kind of thinking in The Madness of a Seduced Woman (it sounds like a trashy novel but isn’t). It was written in the 80s but almost looks like Twilight hate-fic. Putting romantic love as the one and only thing in your life can kill you. That book helped save me after my first breakup. The main character, Agnes, is almost exactly like Bella — except the book is realistic and looks at what actually happens when you’re like that.

      • Nerd Alert says:

        *writes title down*

        Anti-Twilight? I’m on it! I know I said sci-fi/fantasy, but I do love thrillers and mystery.

        Anyway, you’re right. I stopped reading the Twilight novels halfway through the third one, and made up my own ending that I sent to my friends because I knew the actual ending would blow. It did, from what they told me. On top of the romantic-love-is-end-all-be-all, it really pushed the submissive lady crap. Women in these novels are ONLY allowed to have cats, I’m pretty sure. It’s always a cat.

        The experience of reading those 2.5 books kind of reminded me of suffering through some of my classes in college. The whole time, I was so swept up in every detail that I never reflected on the bigger picture. When I put the books down and walked away, I realized that Bella is a dumb, weak tw@t with very few redeeming qualities, and the overarching message is that every woman (we are ALL Bella) is a delicate flower who needs a man’s protection. So much so that when boyfriend/bodyguard/One and Only Soul Mate stalks you and watches you sleep, it’s all good! When he disappears for no good reason and expects you to come crawling back, you’d better do it! He’s the man so he’s smart and strong, you are weak and need protecting, and he knows what’s best. He’s your entire world, bitch! You should marry him as a teenager, get pregnant and never, ever do slutty things like “get a job” or “go to college”. Ew.

        /rant

    • Anna says:

      Have you listened to ‘Treacherous’ or ‘All Too Well’?

      • Emily C. says:

        “All Too Well”, yes, and I do not like it. I looked up the lyrics to “Treacherous” and do not like that either.

        I think we’ve all heard of the Nice Guy phenomenon. Taylor Swift is a Nice Girl.

  24. LadyRay says:

    She’s SO annoying and that bathing suit does her no favors.

  25. emma says:

    That is terrible relationship advice, especially for someone who has had such terrible relationships. Yeah, I guess if you want to have destructive relationships just to feel emo enough to write a song about it. She crazy

  26. Justaposter says:

    As a mother of a 13 year old daughter, I would take a million Taylors over Beibs, or just about anyone else.

    Thankfully we were lucky to only have to deal with One Direction for boy bands, and she prefers up and coming singers from youtube that are branching out.

    There are a lot worse out there for younger girls to like, and with a good douse of ‘love isn’t quite like that honey’ talks I think the Taylor fanbase will be okay.

    *said the girl who was a Madonna fan back in the day 😉

    • Georgia says:

      I couldn’t believe no one mentioned a bieber comparison, because that’s what I was thinking too! The entire interview excerpt sounded to me like it was coming from a grateful and humble girl who realizes she’s not the greatest thing around but loves her fans and does her best for them. I can’t hate on that kind of professionalism, even if she does play the PR game (like they all do)

  27. raindrop says:

    Best Taylor Swift story I’ve seen in awhile (yes, from the Onion): “Taylor Swift now in Long-Distance Relationship with Curiosity Rover.”

    Highlights include: “Defamer.com writer Katie Jensen said of the 23-year-old country crooner and the six-wheeled automated motor vehicle, nicknaming the couple “Trover.’ ”

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/taylor-swift-now-in-longdistance-relationship-with,33385/

  28. Eleonor says:

    In ten years she will be as crazy as Jennifer Love-Hewitt.

  29. Tanya_ says:

    Taylor has always remind me of Gwyneth Paltrow, the both are full of shit.

  30. blaize says:

    Some of the comments here are bringing up one of the MAJOR reasons why I’ve never been able to like Taylor Swift:

    Since she dresses modestly, has never posed nude, and has never been caught partying, she’s held as The Standard. I’ve always hated the societal ideal that the sole determining factor of whether or not a famous female is a ‘good role model’ or not is determined by having a ‘good girl’ image. As if that’s THE THING that matters. Dress conservatively, abstain from nudity, and keep your lyrics and vids free of overt sexuality, and you’re a ‘good role model.’ If not, you’re automatically a bad role model. I’ve always felt that female entertainers should be able to wear whatever they wanted and have whatever themes in their lyrics and vids that they wanted. On other sites Taylor Swift’s name has been used to shade so many other female artists, (why can’t this one be wholesome like Taylor) that it’s annoying.

    Her singing is ok, but she doesn’t have any songs that I like. (And she has two songs in particular that made me feel a little stabby, because of some stuff she says). I don’t hate her, and she seems reasonably nice, but I think she’s overrated and it would take something drastic for me to suddenly start liking her.

    • Anna says:

      Her songs have obvious sexual references. “I’ll do anything you say if you say it with your hands”, anyone?

    • Emily C. says:

      This so much.

      The only thing that exists about a girl or woman is not her sexuality. Taylor Swift is not good simply because she puts forth this image. In fact, it is what makes me dislike her. She makes money by playing the virgin vs. whore stereotype, and that is gross. She also furthers the absolutely stupid brunettes vs. blondes bullshit. She, of course, is on the side of the blondes (while Twilight is on the side of the brunettes), but this nonsense hurts all women. And is stupid.

  31. blaize says:

    Oh, and I agree with the people who said that this whole ‘pop star as role model’ thing is a bunch of crap- I’ve always hated the idea that celebs in their teens, 20’s, and 30’s need to be or pretend to be wholesome just because there are 10-year-olds on this planet. If your 10-year-old is running around in a bustier, daisy-dukes, fishnets, and stiletto boots, doing drugs, and having sex, it’s because of crappy parenting. It’s not the fault of someone like Pink or Lady Gaga; it’s not their job to raise your kids. Never send a pop star to do a parent’s job. 🙂

    • A says:

      It takes a village to raise a child.
      There is only so much power your parents have over you. They can teach you all the right things but when society glamorizes ‘the sex kitten’ and The One making sex tapes, there is only so much one can do. Kids hear it on the radio, their friends influence them more than their parents after the age of 9 or 10 (If I remember correctly).
      There is only so much control parents have over their children today when “ratchet” culture is everywhere and in the mainstream.
      One of the reasons i’m not sure I even want kids…it’s going from bad to worse IMO and no, I am not a Taylor Swift fan, nor do I think she’s as “pure” as she wants us to think. It’s an image.
      Celebrity culture…celebrities are the modern day Gods. Kids (and adults) worship them.

  32. Jackie Jormp Jomp (formerly Zelda) says:

    I never say anything nice about her, so here goes:
    Very good bathing suit.

    THat’s it for awhile.

  33. eatingpie says:

    I have yet to listen to a single song of hers that makes me think “Yep…this is what love feels like!”

    But I suppose she’s just gonna go at it again and again until she gets it “right”.