For a while now, royal-watchers (myself included) have put Chelsy Davy on some kind of pedestal. It’s not that she’s an amazing person or anything (she might be, I just have no idea), it’s because she seemed to manage to be a royal girlfriend who had other things going on in her life. We put her on a pedestal because she chose a career and privacy rather than a prince and living under a microscope. She chose law school and a good job over nine years of Waitying. And as such, I’ve always had this image of Chelsy… like, she’s a good-time party girl, but she knows what she wants and she doesn’t put up with a lot of bulls—t. But is that image accurate?
Currently, the UK tabloid editors (past and present) are still dealing with all of the revelations about phone hacking and who was and was not hacked and what those phone calls revealed, etc. As it turns out, Chelsy and Harry’s phones were hacked when they were together, back in 2005:
Prince Harry’s former girlfriend, Chelsy Davy, was “driving him nuts” by “blitzing” him with calls and texts when he was training at the Sandhurst military academy, according to claims heard at the trial of ex-News of the World staff.
Clive Goodman, the paper’s former royal editor, wrote to his editor Andy Coulson in 2005, telling him that the royal family was concerned that she was “incredibly needy” and her contact would distract him from his studies. In an email read out to the jury in the phone-hacking trial, Goodman, who was convicted of hacking-related charges in 2007, told his boss he was having an “independent look” at Davy’s phone activity.
The full email “on progress so far” on “Harry and Chelsy story” read: “Good off-the-record chat with [redacted] last night. Chelsy is driving Harry nuts, won’t leave Harry alone. He’s not allowed to use his mobile at Sandhurst until he’s off duty but she’s blitzing him with dozens of calls and texts when he should be concentrating on his training. Family likes her well enough but they’re worried that she’s incredibly needy just at the time when Harry needs to be concentrating on himself. We’ve been having a very quiet look at this independently and it works in just over one month she’s put in nearly 60 calls to his mobile. That’s on top of texts, Harry can only field these after he’s finished his training duties sometimes after 10pm.”
The email finished with the sentence: “He keeps the phone on, but on silent – it buzzes and vibrates so frequently with new M [sic].”
You can read more about the insidery hacking stuff at The Guardian link. I believe the situation is that Chelsy’s phone was hacked and the tabloid got their hands on her extensive phone records over the course of several months, where they could analyze how often she was calling and texting Harry. Then this Goodman guy did an interview with someone close to Charles (it sounds like, right?) who confirmed off-the-record that Chelsy was “too needy” and she wasn’t respectful of Harry’s Sandhurst training.
So, was she “needy”? I can’t decide. Sixty calls in one month doesn’t sound that excessive for a young, committed couple separated by military training. But they also say that those sixty calls were on top of constant texting. So… yeah, Chelsy had drama. She wasn’t the cool customer that I originally thought she was.
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WTH? 60 calls a month for a twenty-something young woman to her boyfriend is not excessive AT ALL.
60 calls a month = 2 calls a day. That doesn’t seem needy to me. Sounds like someone is trying to throw her under the bus.
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ITA!
Agree.
Mary (and the others): I totally think they’re ‘reframing’ Chelsy & Harry’s relationship for a variety of reasons. One) Is they are trying to build up Cressida as a better girlfriend after they’ve spent months ripping her to shreds and/or B) They’ve run out of ‘stories’ about Harry & Cressida so they need to up sales again. So they create a new ‘story’ to fill its spot. There’s probably other reason but those are the two that came to mind. Granted I could be way off but I’d bet there are hoping the British public looks at the headline and doesn’t critically read the actual article. Otherwise they would come to the same conclusion many of you did — 2x a day is fairly normal. Also, I’d bet a lot of those calls were, ‘Hey, I know you’re busy but I just wanted to (fill in blank)……’ Which is not needy either it’s trying to be informative and supportive.
I agree, I think that is a smart assessment of the motives behind this story. If 60 calls in a month equates to her being needy, I must be borderline psychotic with the amount of times I probably call my husband in a months time 😉
Also, what if her calling him 2 times a day (which is not excessive anyway) are just her calling him once, him calling her back, she misses the call and calls him back?
It seems with the Royal wives and girlfriends, press has to have a good one and a bad one
This is where I am on this story. Sixty calls in a month isn’t bad at all, especially if you figure some of them might be along the lines of “I just heard this funny joke and thought I’d share it with you.” It is too bad they’re trying to make a story out of the phone calls; calling twice a day is totally normal, so they went for the larger amount of 60 times per month because it sounds more shocking.
Why would they care, anyway? I could see them having a point if this was at the end of their relationship–but Harry didn’t mind it. He was with her for several years after that.
Very good point, LadySlippers. Why would they even bring this up now after all these years? To cause trouble/create drama. It’s silly, especially since Harry is with someone new. I don’t care, 60 calls in a month is nothing when a person is doing long distance. When my husband and I did long distance, I’m sure I called 60 times in one day (slightly joking here… LOL). I still like Chelsy, for the fact that she did get an education and that she WORKS.
I don’t think this is “reframing” because it’s evidence against phone hackers in a criminal trial – that’s the only way we know about it. It’s not a Palace leak or briefing.
LS
I wasn’t thinking about reframing how the public views and idealized Harry’s relationship with Chelsy. I like how you think.
And others. Harry was training and busy during daylight hours and beyond. That she called him twice a day instead of letting him focus on his duties is a bit needy. She should have been secure enough to let him call her when he had the time. Unless she had to call him about an emergency I can’t see how 2 calls a day was justified.
My husband has to travel for work and it’s difficult sometimes, but I know he’ll call me when he has the time and v v. Sounds like they’re young and infatuated with eatch other. Being needy and a bit codependent when you’re young and with your first love is nothing new.
K, the ‘reframing’ comes with the back story here. There is no need to call her needy and state the Palace was worried.
Florc, as I’ve said down thread, we have no idea as to context. My ex was Navy and he asked for updates (the more the better) — that was his preference. Other wives did stuff differently based on their husbands’ preference. It’s not fair to lay the blame on Chelsy when not one of us was in their relationship.
ITA w this ripping of Chelsy & the rationale. A teenage girl’s first love= approx. 2 calls a day & texts. Prove Harry said Chelsy drove him “nuts” when he stayed w her for like 5 years after the fact!
Funny no mention of number of calls Harry made to Chelsy. Also no news about Waity’s obsessive calls to Wills (or her mother’s calls). Reportedly she called Will over 20 times when he was at a dinner to friends. So who is the needy one?
We will not hear about Cress’ obsessive calls since she was known to comment Harry was “not my type!”
Fairy Godmother, I’ve been wondering if this isn’t more to do with bolstering Kate than Cressida. Kate seems to be slipping back into the pre-engagement tone in many articles and responses. And Chelsy was often seen in a much better light that Kate. What better way to reframe history than by tearing Chelsy down while ignoring anything about Kate? (BTW I have no idea if Kate was truly clingy or not but the absence of info is very telling. We might get some info but I’d bet not)
Also, traditionally the Palaces’ don’t bend over backwards for anyone other than the heir(s). This seems weird and off for just Harry.
I’m actually more suspicious after mulling on this a bit. It’s very shady and wonky which is about right when it comes to the British press and the BRF.
PS: Fairy Godmother, You wouldn’t happen to be looking for a job, would you? My last Fairy Godmother decided to pursue a different career and has left me quite bereft. I’m desperately in need of one. If your interested, please your resume/CV with references to my garden. Just ask the sparrows or robins my address as they’ll know. I look forward to hearing from you!
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ITA. This is an attempt to make Cressida look better than Chelsy – the girl who had a real education (degrees in economics and law), a real career who eventually dumped Harry because she didn’t want to give up her life to the Royal Family. Cressida hasn’t really had a job, has some post-secondary education in dance and now appears to be “waity-ing” for the proposal (not working, not dancing). I don’t like or dislike either of them but this story is BS. It looks like a Palace attempt to make Cressida look good, busy, better than Chelsy.
LS
Thought I included the importance of context in that post. Confused it with a post below. Context is key here. Also, Harry’s responces and the status of their relationship can explain all.
I’m only basing my thoughts on a basic young, infatuated couple that spend all their time together and then are seperated for a length of time without constant contact. Their are exceptions to this of course.
Well, to be fair (I cannot believe that I’m defending her because I don’t give two hoots about her), Cressida also has a real education. In fact, I think she attended some of the same schools as Chelsy.
She only graduated a few months ago, and she’s rumored to be working somewhere. Time will tell if she actually works for a while.
For that matter, Kate, too, had a real education from a good university.
I liked Chelsy, but I think there is a little romanticising of her going on here.
The royals don’t give a rat’s ass about anything an EX girlfriend did or did not do regarding HRH Prince Harry. She’s history. They don’t have to build anyone up at the expense of anyone else. There’s no guarantee that Prince Harry will marry Bonas, and even if he does, his family and the royal machine won’t have to turn her into a pretty princess who beat out the competition. She’ll have been deemed acceptable on her own terms.
That said, Davy was definitely too unattractive, low-rent AND nouveau riche for Harry. He may have been encouraged to cut her loose, but that doesn’t mean he took the hint, nor that he would have to account to anyone why he did so, then or now. I think it’s obvious why he did: he was bored with her and realized she wasn’t good enough for him.
I call BS on this story. Guess it was a slow news day at the Guardian. They must be getting tired of not getting as many page views as the Daily Mail.
Yep, I think it’s an attempt to re-frame “Chelsy & Harry” to make “Cressida & Harry” look stronger. Chelsy could be seen as a threat to that narrative – looking like the carefree, fulfilled, successful one that got away. She does always looks so happy when she’s photographed, doesn’t she? Good for her. It’s a cold move to try to paint her as needy, though. That’s low. And phone calls twice a day don’t justify that tag.
That’s pretty much what I thought when I read the headline. I’m glad I’m not the only one. The timing is just too convenient.
Not to mention she was 19 when all of this was going on. Most teens call their boyfriends a hell of a lot more than that.
60 calls in 1 month is twice a day. In my opinion, that is not excessive. Especially when you are in a committed relationship but separated by distance.
Also – I’m of an age with Harry & Chelsy. Our generation texts non-stop. It’s just what we do. It doesn’t make her needy. We just shoot texts as soon as something pops into our heads. I’ve seen my own phone records, its not uncommon to send hundreds of texts a day.
I’m much older than you, but I agree. My husband and I talk 3-4 times a day during work hours, and I don’t consider either of us needy.
Oh My GAWD! You call him 3-4 times a day and me maybe 1-2 times a day??? I thought I meant more than that to you that that?
*frantically motions to staff to pour several strong drinks*
I’m not sure how I’ll recover from this dahling.
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Oh, no dahling, HE calls ME at least two of those times. Don’t worry, dear, soothe, soothe, I’ll send someone over with a nice little pitcher of pick me up, stat, there, there.
Hmmmmm…
*still miffed*
Perhaps we can go to the beach for New Year’s and leave that pesky *waves hand* husband behind. Or should we get my yacht instead and tour the Med? Or would you rather go to your cabin in Vail? My chalet in Switzerland just had the most dreadful thing happen. A trash can caught fire! Can you imagine? Whole place has to be completely redecorated now. So that’s obviously out.
*softening a tad*
Will you bring your personal assistant? Her name *snaps fingers trying to remember* starts with a B? C? Or was it a G? So sorry, I cannot seem to recall. No matter.
Oh please do tell me we can sneak away soon.
*gulps drink*
Oh, do let’s tour the med, dahling, my yacht or yours. I am positively pasty after this exhausting holiday season, soo many parties I almost had to wear the same thing twice. Quelle horreur, dahling. Yes, I’ll bring Gina, er, Gretta, no she quit, Gabrielle, yes, that’s it. I think. Honestly, dahling, they all expect me to remember their names, just so exhausting…
Lets do your yacht. I kinda feel you owe me. And the Med allows us to both wine taste and get some much needed sun.
The SAME outfit twice? Good Heavens, the SHAME! Did the tailors not get your new dress altered in time?????
Have I ever told you that hiring people with names that start with the letter G is just a stroke of brilliance. Even when they have to change it to accommodate your wishes (that IS what we pay them to do after all). Brilliant. I might have to adopt the same policy.
Chat later dahling.
I never talk to my boyfriend during work hours and only text periodically during the day. maybe its just me, but I think to myself that I would feel a bit smothered each time I see my coworker talk to her boyfriend on the phone (they have 15-20 minute conversations 2-4 times during the work day). That seems soo excessive to me!
Yes I totally agree!
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Grace, I agree. I send my hubby tons of texts all day, even tho he usually doesn’t have time to respond. It’s just a way to keep him in the loop.
She always looks so rough too me. I don’t think that’s a high number of since they were together. How many times did he call her or texted her to call him?
I agree about the texts. Also, separation is hard for a relationship. Unless we can read those texts we don’t know what she was saying, whether she was being needy or loving and supportive.
The key is 60 calls *plus* constant texting. That *is* a lot. My boyfriend is in law enforcement and he travels frequently with his job, is often gone weeks at a time, and we don’t communicate that much. We average 1-2 emails a day, plus maybe one decent text exchange. I only talk to him on the phone if he has something really important to say. Texting/email covers everything else inconsequential. Given the nature of his job, he doesn’t have time to talk that much. And frankly, I don’t either. I’m employed, I’ve got stuff to do, too. 2005 was when Harry was at Sandhurst, a highly regimented military academy, and wasn’t Chelsy in law school at that point? That level of constant communication on top of the responsibilities that go with pretty adult commitments to education and the military is a red flag to me. You’re trying to bridge distance, I get that, but I can tell you from personal experience with long-distance relationships when one partner has a high-stress job, constantly calling/texting is not a good sign. It shows a lack of trust and respect for the things your partner has going on, independent of you. I can believe that would be a turn off to Harry, or anyone, really.
As I mentioned up thread, she might have been trying to be supportive and/or informative. We honestly don’t know the nature of either the text OR calls. What if Harry asked for it all? We honestly don’t know. And we shouldn’t be making judgements based on a few pieces of information. We don’t know the whole story.
That’s true. It could have been quick notes of “Love you!” and “keep it up!”, which are harmless. But again, with similar experience, I can say it doesn’t matter what the subject is. The *frequency* is the problem. It’s a serious distraction to people who cannot afford to be distracted. I think this probably falls somewhere between “she was a clingy monster” and “whatever, it was harmless”. It probably *was* harmless, but it also probably got annoying.
I do think there’s some effort going on to whitewash Harry’s history and prepare the way for Cressida Bonas to be the Most Perfect Royal Girlfriend Ever, and to that end, they’re repainting his relationship with Chelsy Davy so that she looks less like the “one who got away” and more like, “nah, he dumped her a$$ because she was a clingy monster,” which isn’t fair to Chelsy.
Naw, my ex was Navy and he loved any and all communication. Made him feel less out of the loop. Harry seems to be a very gregarious guy and may like the feeling of being included. Again, I don’t know. But at least I’m qualifying my statements rather than asserting them as facts.
Your experience is not comparable though as your relationship is not their relationship. There are some couples who are fine with 1-2 emails a day like you, others prefer calling or texting or both. My personal opinion is that if a couple has to do long distance for whatever reason, I’d rather call and/or text than email. It’s more personal than just sending an email or only talking when you or he has something important to say, that seems pretty impersonal.
There is definitely something going on with the media and Harry’s relationship with Cressida, why else would they all of a sudden change Chelsy’s image from ‘the one who got away’ to ‘the crazy one’? I actually really like Chelsy, especially since she is firm in wanting a career. Even if she married Harry, her role as a royal wouldn’t be like that of Kate Middleton, I think if she married him she’d still be able to have her career.
2+ calls a day isn’t “needy” or “excessive” but in this situation in seems ….maybe??? If he can’t answer the phone until after 10pm, I’m not sure why you would continually call/text. Unless he had short little breaks, etc. Then I completely get it. Or she could have been leaving him cute little voicemails. Either way, it sucks to be driven through the made years after the relationship is over.
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As others have said this is all up in the air without proper context of what they were talking about and if Harry wanted her to text and call at least that often. Or even the status of their relationship at that point. We just don’t know and that info is critical to the “needy” aspect of this discussion.
We don’t even know what times she called him? Maybe she called in the morning before his day started and at night after? Maybe she called to leave dirty messages and maybe she sexted? We don’t even know if it was even twice a day, that’s just averaging it out over 30 days. And really, who are any of us to judge why someone would text a lot, we don’t know the nature of that and many of us here text A LOT. There’s definitely a smear campaign going on with Chelsy and that really sucks.
There’s so much scrutiny on the royals, I’d die if the amount of calls and texts I sent to my ex were ever made public and we live in the same city!
Those phone records don’t sound needy to me at all. It sounds more like someone was trying to smear Chelsy. Any guesses on why?
Why on earth is this story coming out NOW? I don’t understand exactly who stands to gain from it.
(By the way, I don’t think that’s too many phone calls a day for a young couple in love/lust )
Agree. Perhaps we can fish out Adam and Eves phone records and came to a completely different conclusion that what the Bible tells us.
(Adam was probably super insecure and called and texted Eve all day long and well into the night — making her run to the tree for a much needed communications break. I mean, you never know)
Exactly, Eve probably figured if she could get Adam to eat that apple his mouth and hands would be too busy to ring her up and she’d have 5 minutes to use the bathroom or something.
Exactly. Or the snake could have said: Have Adam eat the apple and he’ll become super secure and confident. That way he won’t need to bombard you with texts or calls.
And for all we know THAT’S what happened but Adam was embarrassed (especially if it was Adam who ate the apple first hoping Eve would start to fancy him) by his neediness and slanted the story so Eve looked worse than she really was and Adam better.
The legal issues from the hacking scandal are ongoing. It sounds like most of the Royals’ mobiles were hacked, and the records from that are being entered as evidence in the trials. The timing is all down to the courts.
The off-the-record royal quotations date back to 2005, when the paper was using its (hacked) info to pry comments from (probably) Charles’s office. As of yesterday at least, St James hadn’t commented officially or off the record about these revelations.
Honestly I think the Royal Staff knew about phone hacking back to 1993/1994 — I mean, of course they did, it was a big part of the Windsor Wars — and they used the leaks for their own purposes. But I tend to see conspiracy upon conspiracy in Buckingham and St James. I wish someone could do a proper book on the Royal Staffs and their medieval machinations.
If the Palace wanted these things to be less public, they’d manage it. they’ve done it before……..
LAK, do you suppose that’s why we haven’t heard what’s on William’s phone?
IMHO, I think the press knows not to push that button concerning William’s bad behaviour. This ‘agreement’ is understood and been standing for quite some time and they just keep things on the down low for William in return for scoops such as this.
Bluhare! Didn’t even think of William’s phone. The scandals that would unleash..
I remember being quite surprised, while watching a doc about the Queen and Prince Philip’s relationship, about the major clashes between him and the staff during their newlywed months. It got me thinking: who is actually in charge there? I would think it was the Royal Family, but… apparently not.
To make the Cressida chick look like a better choice, perhaps? Chelsy wasn’t needy. She has a career & a family that is loaded. She didn’t need Harry. I think they had a fun relationship that ran its course. She didn’t seem to want the tiara, so she moved on.
Even if she was a little needy, I still prefer her to Cressida. Cressida just seems so bland.
It’s actually fewer than twice per day. They said it was a little more then a months’ time and it was almost 60 calls. Just an observation. Also, in my earlier 20s, my then long term boyfriend and I were long distance, and 2x per day was totally normal, especially factoring in the frequent missed calls. And yes, this was on top of texting. This is just some fresh bullshit they’re using for strategic purposes. That, or the Olds doing the hacking (and those close to Charles) don’t understand the phone habits of Millennials and as a result, blew it out of proportion.
I’m not a millennial at all — I’m solidly a gen x’er and when I went back to college, my texts greatly surpassed those of my kids. It only dropped years after I finished school. So this is still wacky and crazy thinking. Not only is it that age but the environment (she in college).
LS
!st. Congrats on going back to college after kids! I met a lot of adults at my uni that were so nervoud about going back. Takes a lot of courage and it’s admirable.
Also, agree this might be PR for Harry and Cressida, but Chelsy is remembered as a glorified image of what she was. She wasn’t right for Harry, but we liked her for those reasons. And no relationship (especially young love) is without it’s fights and needy/codependent moments. This story just isn’t a stretch for me to believe.
You’re right, it’s a cultural/environmental thing as much as an age thing. But yeah, she was a 19-year-old college student, and they stayed together for several years afterwards. These dudes need to simmer down.
Thanks Florc! I’ll need to go back and finish my masters too (I started it but couldn’t finish). So I’ll take any good wishes my way.
(And if Fairy Godmother wants, the winning lottery numbers would be most appreciated)
Anyone who thinks that’s a lot has never given a teenager a cell phone. This is all a smokescreen to draw attention away from the hacks that reveal misbehavior by the princes. Better to get the ex into the headlines than highlight what mischief Will and Harry were up to.
Chelsy + Harry 4ever.
Yessss!
The Rules Girls are probably uncorking the champagne. Shudder.
Those look like fake flowers she’s holding at that wedding.
Vava
I’ve been to weddings where real flowers were misted with something to hold stiff over the duration of the ceremony and reception. The bouquets could be set on tables and wouldn’t get matted. They glistened and looked a little fake. Maybe that’s the same here?
Shrug. They dated for years after that, so I’m going to assume she wasn’t too needy for his taste. As everyone else has pointed out, that’s twice a day. I’m also assuming that some of those calls may have been missed ones. I wouldn’t care to talk to a boyfriend that often, but I don’t think that’s so abnormal.
LunchComa: My guess is, purely based on my experience, it was probably calls and texts she knew he couldn’t return anywhere near as often as she. They were probably little cute ‘I love you’ calls and such. Harry himself stated this was a tough thing to get through and a lot don’t. And he had the world watching him and needed some morale boosting. Not a crime. And as someone else pointed out — they dated for some time after, so obviously it either wasn’t an issue OR it was resolved.
The story is only coming out now because there’s a criminal trial, so evidence that phones and phone records of high profile people were hacked is being given to the court. It’s not a briefing against Chelsy at all. It’s evidence in a trial – a trial which is making everyone, police included, look bloody terrible.
I don’t think 2 calls a day would be that bad… until you think that he only had 2 hours a day to take them and it didn’t include texts – and it’s only the calls from one side, at that. But given he had a reputation for playing away, maybe they were going through a bad patch and she needed reassurance? I don’t know. It seems a bit rude to judge her over info that can only be very partial and fragmentary. And the fact is, she did get on with her studies and then her career, so “needy” or not she wasn’t dependent in most senses. And even if she was a bit needy emotionally, that’s hardly crime of the century. It doesn’t take away from all she achieved for herself.
Also seems a bit unfair that she’s being portrayed this way now, years after they split up, using info that was only obtained through criminal activity in the first place. She’s chosen a life out of the spotlight and chosen to be a hard worker with a career rather than a socialite, yet all she’s given public attention for is a relationship that ended yonks ago. Harsh.
I’m sure it’s an error, but I love that you used “yonks”. It really works for me in that sentence.
It’s slang for aeons ago – is it not used in the States? (I’m a Brit.) It’s very expressive, isn’t it!
Nope we don’t use yonks. In fact the phone just tried to autocorrect it! Like Florc, I like it.
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I love it even more that I can use it and it means more than being able to use a silly sounding word!
I have to weigh in too. That amount of calls with additional texts is not at all excessive.
I have kids 18 – 25. Plus they also forward everything in group texts, jokes, pictures, funny youtube links etc. My daughter gets probably gets 30 -40 texts and hour in the evenings and often has to put her phone in another room to finish homework. I had to switch my cell phone bill to electronic, I hated getting that many pages a month! On the flip side, it annoys me when I send what I think is an important text and my daughter she doesn’t see it for all the other noise.
I think you have to take in context the generation…as well as the habits of their social group. Like little lemmings their habits all mirror one another within a given social group. If in their social group they all text ‘excessively ‘, then that’s their norm. I would venture that Harry was also getting a similar number of texts from other friends, but that was conveniently left out of the story.
i live with my bf and in a month we call each other about 120 times 😀
Constant calls and texting! Oh my (clutching pearls) she definitely is not a “Rules” girl.
Well played! Couldn’t stand that Rules crap when it was popular.
For me personally, even at the age they were at the time, that’s (HELLA) needy, but I’m neither Harry nor Chelsy so…different strokes different folks.
Also as someone said up post, we don’t know the context of the messages. Half of them could’ve been boob shots. 😉
Also wasn’t Wills phone hacked too? How much were he and Kate talking back then? Why are they, the media, trying to drag Chelsy back down?
Several phones, including William’s were hacked. So yes — why focus in on Chelsy???
Last week [i think]’s revelation was about William’s time at Sandhurst. Apparently one of the instructors sold a pic of William attending a party in a green bikini and grass skirt. The editors chose not to print the pics or story.
For some reason that particular story was downplayed unlike this one.
Oh LAK, you and I know exactly why this story is being trotted out and the other being squashed. William is perfect and Harry is not. Seriously, you DID the script they sent everyone??? If not, I’m sure I can make a copy of mine and send it to you.
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LOL………i know, but i feel like such a broken record at this point. I get so angry when i see it, and also amazed at how blatant they are.
It’s always the same thing. Poor Harry. And now Chelsy.
Isn’t it? And if we’re sick of it — imagine how Harry and the other Royal scapegoats feel??? Unless they just accept their fate…
I’d believe William did some very bad and wild things because he knew he was protected. Maybe in time we’ll hear about them. Only as a comparrison I bring this up…
The tampon talk with Charles. He’s the future King and this info got out and damaged his image temporarily.
So, to LAK,LS, Bluhare, Sachi, and all you other well informed CB Royaloonies. Since this damaging and private info got out about an heir could the same happen to William? Or was there some new line in the sand drawn out because of that incident?
*Raises Royal Loonie Standard*
I think the agreement that is set in place for the (direct) heirs and heiresses has been in place for decades if not centuries. It’s just a tacit gentlemen’s agreement and everyone just ‘knows’ the rules.
My theory is the press only breaks it if it’s worth the hassle from the Sovereign — so the story has gotta be GOOD to publish. (I think if it as a baseline of sorts) The trade off is the press gets virtually a free pass to do whatever with any other Royal (within reason) as long as they turn a blind eye to the direct heir/heiress.
To answer your question you need to look no further than David and Charles to see what long term damage is wrought when heirs’ scandals are published. It rocks the very foundation the monarchy rests on. Recently, Charles hired a PR firm and all the Royal Households (especially HM’s) all were modernized in order to prevent another meltdown that nearly toppled the institution of hereditary rule in the UK.
I hope I answered your question.
*Lowers Royal Loonie Standard*
Florc,
An heir’s scandal is bigger than him. It puts the entire monarchy and institution into question. Given the right ammo, the press will reveal damaging info about the royals especially if there are already grounds for it ie. laziness, unaccounted trips to other countries, overspending, and a whiff of a possible extra-marital affair.
Or in the King of Spain’s case: being caught with his mistress during an exotic trip and getting into a hunting accident. The scandal was so big that it took the shine off the King’s image and tarnished his legacy, prompting him to apologize on TV. Before that, the King was untouchable to the press.
His popularity sharply fell and he’s now trying to rebuild his image all over again after almost 40 years of the media turning a blind eye to his shady business and many mistresses.
The economy in Spain also meant all bets were off when it comes to the royal family. His son in-law’s crimes added more fuel to the fire. People are unhappy when their lives are hard and they’re struggling. They’re not forgiving when people, like the royals, who embody inequality are caught gallivanting around. Nowadays, the Spanish royals are seen with a lot of suspicion and doubt, that they are out of touch and should be abolished. The only ones who remain “clean” are the future King and Queen who have not been included in any of the family’s scandals.
That doesn’t sound excessive, and the story is a little iffy, anyway.
But I don’t see where anyone got the impression that she was some sort of keen career woman. She may be, for all I know, but that’s not what I gathered back in the day.
She had a position in a law firm. So what?
It doesn’t necessarily follow that she was very career-oriented.
The career oriented comes into play on why they broke up for good. Her idea of a life did not involve being a full-time Princess and sacrifice her schooling and goals for ribbon-cuttings. Plus, I think their relationship had run its course as many do. They are still good friends now and that speaks volumes for both of them.
She was a law student for most of their relationship. First degree in SA and the 2nd in England. As any university student, she partied, but unlike other university students, she was papped while doing it which led many to think that she wasn’t serious about her studies.
This poor girl suffered a level of privacy invasion that makes you wonder how she held on for as long as she did. We are talking being papped in her home, library, her entire life being raked over and untrue things said of her and her family……..Papers making up stuff in order to break up the relationship eg that Harry cheated on her complete with pics taken out of context.
AND she still gets raked over the coals years after they break up. Not right.
LadySlippers: No kidding! They’re picking on the poor thing about how often she called an old boyfriend when she was 20! I’m very glad no one has reason to pull my phone records from that period of my life.
Not all lawyers are especially career-oriented (as a not-so-careerist lawyer, I would know!), but I think it’s worth remembering that we’re talking about this in relative terms.
Chelsy’s position involves regular work hours, at minimum, and likely some nights and weekends as well. That’s not extraordinary, but it makes her much more focused on work than Kate (who seemed to make her career decisions with the knowledge she would not be working after marriage) or Cressida (who hasn’t necessarily settled on a career track). Chelsy may or may not be slaving away to make partner, but she didn’t strike me as someone who’d be comfortable quitting her job permanently and taking on royal duties.
She’s working for a magic circle firm in London, though. You have to be career oriented to do that – the hours are obscenely long.
K: There are some young associates in large firms who are there to get some experience in, then eventually transfer to more relaxed areas of law (not that I’d know anything about that…) and there are also some who are hoping to stay and continue working long hours for the rest of their careers. I don’t know enough about Chelsy to guess which camp she falls into.
Either way, she’s got vastly more work responsibilities than most other women who are seen dating royals, though, and I suspect she’d chafe at having to put aside her professional accomplishments to do public appearances all the time.
For me 60 calls in a month is too much but I’m probably abnormal and cold. I never call any of my boyfriend twice in a day and if one of them did that for no reason I’m sorry but I would probably break with him quickly. I really hate phones
Not cold but normal for *you*.
Everyone of us has different communication needs and that isn’t a bad OR a good thing. As long as both parties are in agreement to what constitutes their level of acceptable communication means & methods — who are we to judge??
Obviously, the texting and calling wasn’t too much for Harry, because they are still together or is this a planted story by his people, so he could dump her. I was also thinking maybe she has a drinking problem and drunk calls him a lot and bringing this out into the open will drive her to get some help.
They broke up 3yrs ago……….
Oh, The Guardian is just pot stirring here. This is stuff that happened in 2005, when the participants were 8 years younger than they are now. Who wants to be judged on venial stuff they did eight years ago? They’ve moved on, they’re both being productive in society, so there’s really no story there.
Even at the time, there was probably no story. Maybe Harry liked it. Maybe he encouraged her to leave a bunch of texts so he’d have something to cheer himself up with when he returned to his room, exhausted, late at night. Who the heck knows?
Twice a day sounds needy to me!
This is complete bullshit. My boyfriend is friends with her family.
She is the opposite of needy. Every time they split up Chelsy dumped him.
He writes on Chelsys Facebook really nice messages when she’s needing support.
Harry loves chelsy but she doesn’t want anything to do with being a princess. She loves her work.
Also, apparently Kate has been jealous of chelsy from the beginning trying to turn people against her. Chelsy thinks she’s a desperate loser and just laughs at her conduct.
I hope you are who you say you are, because I loved reading that. 🙂
Agreed.
Crack Berry
Rant on!