Emma Thomspson’s gay relatives were the reason she ‘rejected Christianity’

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Emma Thompson is just a goddess. Is there anyone who really has strong feelings against her? No. Even if Emma isn’t your particular cup of Earl Grey, surely you can admit that she’s much cooler and more interesting than the average movie star. Anyway, Emma has a wonderful new interview in The Advocate to promote Saving Mr. Banks. I’ve never thought of Emma as particular active in gay rights work, but as it turns out, she feels very strongly about it. You can read the full Advocate piece here and here are some highlights:

On not wanting to shake PL Travers’ snippy attitude: “Oh, I didn’t try to shake it, darling. It was so much fun I thought I’d adopt it for the rest of my life. You can be honest about everything and say, “No, I don’t want to come to your f–king party — and I’m not sending you a bloody Christmas card either!” It’s bliss.”

Travers may have been bisexual, but that wasn’t included in the film: “Sure. She was what I would call a real searcher. I don’t know whether they were lovers or not, but she did live with Madge for a long, long time, and she certainly had very complex, passionate relationships with both women and men. She was an explorer of her own condition, and very possibly her own sexuality… You can’t fit everything about a person’s life into two hours. Like when we made Carrington, which did address homosexuality, we didn’t include stuff about Dora Carrington’s relationships with women because it would’ve looked like she’d literally gone bed-hopping her entire life. Besides, Saving Mr. Banks is about a woman’s creative, artistic life. It’s a relief, quite frankly, because when is a movie about a woman not about her love life?”

The Crone Period: “At this particular moment in time, the last thing on Mrs. Travers’s mind is her erotic life, but she did divide the life of women into three main parts: nymph, mother, and crone. When she went to Los Angeles to meet with Walt Disney, she was definitely in the crone period, which she felt was the best patch because you were free to do what you liked and still had energy to do it. She was actually older than I played her — we all had long conversations about it, because I could’ve easily played her more elderly with prosthetics and padding — but I was interested in making sure the audience realized that this woman did have an erotic life, and that it could still be a part of her life, but she had chosen to live alone. It didn’t occur to her to find someone to pay for her house or her bills. She was completely independent, and it was her independence that, in the end, forced her to give up her character, Mary Poppins, for adaptation.”

She’s never played a “proper” lesbian: “Nobody’s come up with a really interesting one for me yet, but I’m sure they will… I don’t take jobs to alter public perception about myself, which seems to me a high road to nothing — and rather unattractively self-involved. I’m interested in doing work that’s well written, fascinating, and true…”

Feeling a connection to the LGBT community: “I always have, perhaps because I’ve always felt like an outsider. I believe that actors and anyone in the arts should be outsiders, so that we can say whatever we want and hold a mirror up, as Shakespeare says, to what’s really going on in the world. We shouldn’t be within the pale of polite society. It’s a disaster that actors have become so respectable.”

Her gay influences, a gay uncle and two gay godfathers: “Yes, I was brought up, partially, by these remarkable, intelligent, wonderful men, and they made me consider and question all moral systems from a very young age. They were the reason I rejected Christianity outright, because it said that homosexuality wasn’t allowed. I thought, That’s ridiculous! It’s perfectly normal, so what do you mean it isn’t allowed?”

Her loyal gay following: “Oh, and I love it. It’s a source of great pride and happiness. That support is very supportive, and my support in return is so profound and real.”

On Hugh Grant describing her as a “bloke”: “Well, I find that terrifically difficult stuff. Look, in a sense, he was trying to express approval, but what’s wrong with being feminine? What is he actually saying? The problem is that men have extreme difficulty with powerful women, who will immediately be dubbed masculine. I don’t accept that. Yes, I’m a powerful woman, but I don’t think I’m like a man at all. I don’t want to be a man. It’s not something that any person of my gender would wish, whether lesbian or straight. We’re women. I want to be allowed to be a powerful woman without being told that means I’m like a man.”

Fantasy lady hookups: “After full-on snogging Meryl Streep in Angels in America, where do you go from there? We practically had sex, for God’s sake. [Laughs] Oh, there are so many beautiful women… Well, I met Sandy Bullock at an awards thing a couple years ago, and she said to me, “If I were gay, you’d be the one.” I said, “I’m there!””

[From The Advocate]

I find her answer about being called a “bloke” to be very interesting, mostly because that’s something people say about me too – I’ve been told I have a dude’s sense of humor, that I write, talk and think like a man. I don’t really think much of it – like, it’s not a compliment or an insult, I guess people just think my soul is rather butch. I consider myself feminine and I don’t actually want to be a man either, like Emma.

Also, I had no idea she “rejected Christianity outright.” Emma is such an interesting person.

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  1. kay says:

    lots of sinful people reject Christianity

    • Spooks says:

      Oh, do be quiet.

      • Steph says:

        I’m with you, Spooks. How about we all just live our lives with integrity, without judging and do our best to be good people?

    • Jackie says:

      Like 5 billion people on this planet.

      • ncmagnolia says:

        Emma, I have rejected Christianity on far less than this. That said, I’m a Protestant-raised, church-going gal. But I feel that all religions should embrace love and reject hate. So, more power to ya….

    • Kiddo says:

      Lots of people have no belief in sin.

    • jaye says:

      And lots of sinful people embrace it. What’s your point?

    • mia girl says:

      Boy, didn’t take you long to throw that out.
      First comment.
      Ironic that Jesus taught he without sin should cast the first stone…

    • BW says:

      Lots of sinful people are Christian, too.

      • Virgilia Coriolanus says:

        ALL sinful people are Christian.

      • Kiddo says:

        @Virgilia Coriolanus, I think other religions believe in the concept of sin as well.

      • Virgilia Coriolanus says:

        I guess I was nitpicking, but my point is that we all do things that are considered sinful i.e. lying, cheating, etc. Whether we are Christian, Buddhist, Atheist, etc….

      • Jessica says:

        Not to be nit-picky, Virgilia, but your comment “ALL sinful people are Christian” is backwards. What you said implies that every person who sins is a Christian, which is not true since not every person on the planet is a Christian, but every person on the planet sins in some way. What you should have said was, “ALL Christians are sinful people.” Which is true, since everyone sins in some way, be they Christian or not.

        You know the saying, “All elephants are grey, but not all grey things are elephants.” It’s like that with your comment, “All Christians are sinful people, but not all sinful people are Christians.” You just mixed them up.

        I hope my comment isn’t rude, it’s not intended to be, but it was bugging me so I thought I’d mention it.

    • Claire says:

      I reject Christianity in part because I don’t believe in the concept of sin. Bet that’s thrown ya 😉

    • GByeGirl says:

      Everyone “sins”. Your sins are just different than other people’s sins.

    • Nina W says:

      Lots of sinful people embrace Christianity as well, so what’s your point? Or are you just trolling?

  2. Jackie says:

    Love her. And that is also one of the many reasons I also reject Christianity. I have a hard time understanding gay and gay-friendly Christians. The Bible clearly speaks against homosexuality. It’s nice that Jesus said nothing about it, but let’s stop pretending the issue wasn’t addressed. I appreciate moderate Christians but I think fundamentalists are more consistent.

    • Spooks says:

      The Bible shouldn’t be taken literally, it’s a metaphor. There are many things in there that even fundamentalists don’t follow.

      • Jackie says:

        Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

        1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

        Where’s the metaphor?

      • Maria says:

        Leviticus also says that you shouldn’t eat shellfish, trim your beard, have sex with a woman on her period, wear clothes made of more than one thread, or get tattoos. Obviously some people don’t have a problem with ignoring certain passages of the bible, while choosing to follow others. Prime example: “The bible says gay sex is bad! Pass those crawfish.” *snort* I’m an atheist, so I don’t believe a bit of it, but as a parable (not metaphor) it’s useful to many — especially those who want to cherry pick their lessons taught/learned.

      • Dani says:

        So off point but who actually has sex on their period? Aside from it being a ‘sin’ it’s also really unhygienic.

      • Sloane Wyatt says:

        Dani, don’t knock until you’ve tried it. Orgasming is wonderful for reducing cramps!

      • babblerouser says:

        Jackie, perhaps its time you realized the true story behind how things actually made it into the bible, and who actually wrote them. Maybe I should put you in touch with my dad, who studied the bible thoroughly in a seminary and ultimately changed his profession because he couldnt tell people to follow proclamations by random people with no credibility or authority that were the supposed words of God. There are some ridiculous things in the bible and there is plenty of evidence that the people who claimed to be the apostles of Jesus had lied. For fame. Sound familiar? Since you are on a celebrity gossip site I am sure you can see how even in the old days people lied for fame. Any good spiritual person should look to the heart of what their religion is about, and not get hung up on the antiquated words with questionable background that were also influenced by the culture of the time they were written and the personality and beliefs of the random person that wrote them. If you want to believe in an angry God that fosters hate and condemns good people that he/she supposedly created, just because they are following the NATURAL GENETIC (proven by the way) inclination they have for same sex relationships, then I feel sorry for you. I’d rather believe in a God that promotes love and compassion towards others, and romantic love between 2 consenting adults should be celebrated. Its one of the last naturally beautiful things humans do that we have to celebrate.

      • gg says:

        Levitican law is the first thing in the Bible that, wholesale, people do not take literally. I think the feeling is that the New Testament threw all that out. It was hygeine rules for the most part, for nomads in an age where there was no science and no medicine and no biology knowledge. Using Levitican law in an argument is incredibly lame and even Christians disregard it in my experience.

      • Seán says:

        I completely agree! The Bible should not be taken literally at all. I have no problem in people believing what they want (unless it’s used to shame or harm people) but I think it’s essential that practising Christians use tge Bible as a vague guide rather than taking it word for word. The reason? Because its a Book that was written well over 2,000 years and endorsed by churches that are not above corruption and possibly tampering and promoting their own agenda.

      • Florc says:

        Sloan & Dani
        True enough. Personally it’s not my cup of tea, but it is helpful, and not unhygenic. If anything it’s more hygenic since you’re in a state that’s constantly flushing things out.

      • Nerd Alert says:

        Wait, tattoos? Tattoos weren’t invented until the 1400’s, at the earliest. So did God predict tattoos and write them into the bible via a man who could not yet understand it, or has it been altered? Maybe dozens of times to the point the original version is unrecognizable? Eh, who could know?

        But I digress. Leviticus surely should not be taken literally. Can any Christian here give me a book of the bible that should be followed word for word? Like, what’s a good one that is not hypocritical or “metaphoric”? I’d like to revisit it.

      • ol cranky says:

        Let’s be honest, Leviticus is an ancient home ec text and a bad one at that

        the Hebrew bible was (a) written by men who weren’t necessarily the most astute religious scholars (as the rabbinate was hereditary back then) and (b) derived from spoken stories handed down through the years and then translated and then rearranged and then translated more (to suit the translator’s needs) and then called the Old Testament and coupled with a “new Testament” written & edited by people who followed a new religion called Christianity as opposed to the religious philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth

        PS/when it comes to sin, homosexuality didn’t even crack G-d’s top ten list

      • Maria says:

        Nerd Alert (love the name!), just FYI, tattoos have been around for thousands of years. There was a 5,000+ year-old mummy found with tattoos in Europe, and some Ancient Egyptians have been found to had them. Google “history of tattoos” sometime when you’re bored — it’s really fascinating how we as people have been performing body art/modifications for nearly as long as we’ve been around. For whatever reason (hygiene? modesty?) Leviticus says: “Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD” (Leviticus 19:28), which I guess means that people used to cut themselves/get tattoos out of mourning for loved ones? Not unlike we do now.

    • Yeah…that book of myth and superstition also says if you eat meat on a Friday you’re going to hell.

    • Jackie says:

      @ Dani In the shower and with someone who’s not squeamish 😉

      • Steph says:

        I’ve never gotten the hang of the shower thing. It always SEEMS like it would be a great idea but in practice, it has never worked out for me.

    • PrettyTarheelFan says:

      It also states not to eat shrimp, and to stone women who have sex outside of marriage, and that women who have their periods are unclean for 7 days afterwards. That’s ALSO not applicable. Otherwise, damn, that’s a lot of laundry and not sitting anywhere.
      As a liberal Christian inclusionist, I have to make a decision if there is value in my faith if I don’t embrace the literal interpretation of everything in the Bible. I have opted to regard my faith as organic and fluid, as opposed to rigidly defined by a book that has been modified by men’s hands for their own ends. I cannot, gut deep, be OK with some of the “rules” that people try to enforce. At the end of the day, when you take a good idea and turn it into dogma, it completely alienates people from the joy and happiness that can be found in spirituality. Ultimately, it’s about faith that there is purpose, power, and that we don’t have to be perfect to have an eternal life. I can feel that way and stand, STRONGLY, for marriage equality, pro-choice laws and healthcare access, legalization, etc. Not only do I feel that there is a lot of room for interpretation in how we apply the “restrictions” and find it amusing how some have been completely abandoned and some are still used to justify marginalization, fear, hatred, and oppression, but I also recognize that MY PERSONAL BELIEF STRUCTURE SHOULD NOT MAKE A LAW. Otherwise, we would all have to say please and thank you or face a fine. That’s my biggest problem with people who are moving against marriage equality due to religion. Why, on earth, should YOUR religious beliefs be codified into law?

      • Jem says:

        I appreciate this post, and I thank you for it. I resent being lumped in with the rest of the whackos whenever I reveal I’m a person of Faith. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater: fundamentalists were straight-up brainwashed to be hateful and intolerant. There is nothing natural about it.

        I went to a Southern Baptist Christian church years ago, visiting with a friend from work, who invited me… At one point in the sermon, the minister began instructing his flock how they were to vote on an upcoming election. He was very, very specific: he went down the list, “…this is who God wants you to vote for. This is how God wants you to vote on this issue…”

        I was gob-smacked. Speechless. I thought it was a joke. I grew up Unitarian and have always been encouraged to think for myself, always taught and exposed to a wide range of beliefs, and this kind of narrow, brainless devotion is shocking to me. I asked her about it afterward, and she shrugged off my concerns. She said she “always follows her minister’s instructions”. That’s what she was raised to do, and she never questioned it because the minister apparently has a direct line to the Almighty, or something along those lines, which is just.. I dunno. Can’t wrap my head around it. My brain keeps barfing it back at me: CANNOT PROCESS!! TOO DUMB!!

        You might as well just bend over and shove your entire head up your butt. That’s not “devotion” – that’s just voluntarily stupidity.

        At no time in my experience in the Unitarian church have I ever been “instructed” how to think or feel about other people, let alone who to vote for. At no time did any minister I heard in any Unitarian church I’ve attended ever claim to have direct communication with the Almighty. The minister’s job was always to stimulate spiritual dialogue, not stifle it. My parents – a scientist and an engineer- also encouraged me to think for myself. I am deeply grateful for that, considering some of the hateful morons I’ve encountered in the fundamentalist-driven faiths…

        Seriously: why would God bestow us with the capacity for intellectual thinking, just so we can repress it to somehow “prove” our Faith? WTH?!

        But it helped me to understand why some people are just… well, stupid when it comes to religion and the bible in particular. They have been not merely discouraged from thinking for themselves – they’ve been taught that doing so somehow will offend or anger God, which to me is just, well, BLASPHEMOUS. Doesn’t that make fundamentalists who take the bible literally cult-members, and nothing more?

    • Jackie says:

      Babblerouser — that would be awesome, about your dad. When you said “you”, I’m not sure if you meant me or “you” collectively. I don’t believe in any God and I have no problem with homosexuality. I have read several books by Bart Ehrman, so I know a little bit about what your’re talking about. He is a NT scholar though and I haven’t yet delved into OT analysis yet. The problem with the Bible is that we can all agree on the good things. Atheists like the peace love hippie Jesus too. It’s those other verses that adherents of the same faith can’t agree on. And unfortunately those horrible verses are in there in modern Bibles and what are we do with them? They are ultimately the problem.

    • Maple Goodness says:

      There is no written record of Jesus stating he even wanted a religious following. If Jesus was truly a real person, he appears to just have wanted people to have compassion, care for one another and for us to quit judging one another. He reiterated the much older Buddhist basic tenets including that found in some schools of Buddhism, of intending your suffering to be used for releasing the negative karma of others. This is called substitutionary atonement. Although Jesus was believed to have done this on a cross and ‘died for our sins’ people have been doing it before Jesus and do to this day in certain Buddhist and Asian religions.

      The bible (both original and all the versions) is a product of the era, culture and scientifically ignorant, homophobic and misogynistic mentality of the people who wrote it. It is a book a lot of people have used for control, oppression, killing and for their personal and vested interests (both the people that wrote it and people who claim to follow it). I don’t see anything divine about it. People do more research about the car their going to buy than they do into the religion or doctrine they have chosen to be a part of and believe in.

    • Nina W says:

      Jackie, come on, think logically for five seconds. How old is the Bible? And how long have we been speaking modern English? How many language translations has the Bible gone through to be read in modern English? Who were the editors? What was cherry-picked and altered and by whom? When was the Bible written in relation to the life of Christ? Who wrote it? I understand that you’ve been spoon-fed a long line of bullshit in organized form but common sense dictates that the Bible cannot be interpreted literally. On top of which men, not God, wrote it, at least 400 years after Christ’s death. You can quote the modern Bible all you want but you’re only impressing on us that you don’t have a clue about the history of a book you’re quite willing to “believe.”

      • CleverNever says:

        You beat me to it, Nina. Everything you said.

        I hardly ever comment on the celebrities on here, but check in regularly in the hope of reading some interesting discussions. I’m rarely disappointed.

        On topic: I usually have no stomach for celebrities, but I do adore Emma.

        Do carry on….

  3. Spooks says:

    You can be very liberal and very pro-gay and still be a Christian. I actually believe that any true Christian would be pro-gay, because I refuse to believe God would be against love.
    The Catholic Church is slowly ( really slowly) changing it’s opinion on contraception, I think it will also change it’s opinion about homosexuals.

    • Jackie says:

      How do you reconcile the verses that make it pretty unambiguous that it’s wrong?

      • Kiddo says:

        How do you reconcile verses that are no longer adhered to?

      • Spooks says:

        I had religion classes for 12 years and this is what all my teachers said. Being a homosexual is not wrong. They should be loved and accepted . Gay sex is wrong because it’s outside of marriage. Just as sex before marriage is wrong. Of course most people don’t think that.
        And how many people do you know that follow that rule? People just find it easier to forgive themselves than to forgive others.
        Now, believe in God. I couldn’t live any other way. I was raised Catholic and being Catholic is also a huge part of my national identity. I have some friends who don’t believe in God, but cultorologically, they say they’re Catholic. I might not agree with the Church a 100 °%, but I believe it will change.

      • Jackie says:

        @kiddo I’m an atheist.

      • Kiddo says:

        No matter, Jackie. Every religion is someone’s interpretation of that religion, and the bible is an interpretation of history, so it’s a long long game of telephone tag anyway, bastardized by local culture, customs, mores and time.

      • blue marie says:

        completely agree Kiddo.

      • Jackie says:

        So sex within the confines of gay marriage is ok then?

      • AlexandraJane says:

        Does Leviticus chapter 19:19 also not state you should not wear clothes of mixed fibres? That’s not adhered to by 99% of people.

      • Jackie says:

        @ kiddo I agree that most people have made it their own. But the Bible is the Christian holy book. At what point does it cease to become Christianity when people cherry pick the verses they want to adhere to and the ones they don’t? The anti-gay crusade folks are not a minority. And they derive their justification from the same book that the pro-gay folks get their justification from. Are they both right and both wrong?

        Believe me, I love the pro-gay Christians but it’s a bit intellectually dishonest for them to act as if those verses don’t exist or call them metaphors, allegories or whatever. It’s uncomfortable, I know. I used to be in that place. The excuses for it are tiresome. Christians accuse each other of not being “real” Christians. I will give it to the fundies though, they are going by what the verses say on homosexuality.

        I don’t make a big fuss over the mixed fibers and shellfish verses unless someone keeps insisting on quoting Leviticus, but more so because America is not divided over the issue of polyester and lobster.

      • Spooks says:

        @Jackie, you do know that there are Christians outside of America?

      • Kiddo says:

        Jackie, I’m not religious, but I would be completely on board with any group who wants to fight the ubiquitous nature of synthetics. It’s a friggin’ plague on society.
        Please, someone start making womens’ jeans that are 100% cotton without lycra.

      • Lee says:

        @Jackie,
        If you are interested in understanding the other side, I would recommend “For the Bible Tells Me So”, a documentary about Christian LGBT people and their families. I saw it years ago when I was just coming out, but from what I remember, it touches a lot on what the Bible says and how the context and time period in which it was written and translated impacts the way it should be interpreted as well as how many gay Christians have reconciled their religion with their sexuality.

        here’s the trailer:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajBR0dq0XXk

      • Florc says:

        Spooks
        I had the same kinds of teachers in Sunday school. And I was raised Greek Orthodox for my mother’s sake and Roman Catholic for my Father’s sake.
        Both sides taught to love no matter what and the bible is written by man and should never be taken literally.

      • bluhare says:

        Jackie, what does “within the confines of gay marriage” mean? Do you mean an artificial construct instead of marriage, or the fact that gays can marry in several states now? If it’s the latter, then it isn’t gay marriage any more. It’s plain old marriage.

      • LAK says:

        Kiddo: i’d have to fight you regarding legislation on jeans without lycra!!!

        Dead serious. I’m a skinny person with an African bottom. If it weren’t for the lycra, no jeans would hug my skinny limbs AND my African bottom!!!

        Bluhare: a commentor several posts above Jackie’s comment has said that sex outside marriage and gay sex was considered wrong where she comes from. I assume Jackie is asking that commentor if sex between gays would be OK if they were married. Is this a correct interpretation @Jackie?

      • JessMa says:

        Because it is not my concern. I am Catholic and I focus on my own actions. God gave everyone free will and it is not my job to tell people what they can and can’t do. If I am supposed to love my neighbor as myself, why would I rally against gay people? Because a few passages in the old testament? Then I should go harass people at Red lobster too. Jesus never once mentioned homosexuality.

      • Kiddo says:

        @LAK, I can handle the ones with a low percentage, but some jeans have so much synthetics, I don’t think they should be called jeans anymore. I hate that feeling on my skin. I’d rather just do some alterations.
        BTW, Lycra is a subsidiary of Koch, if that means anything to you.

      • Wren33 says:

        Christians don’t follow kosher law or most of the rules of the Old Testament. Jesus is most commonly understood to have said those no longer needed to be followed when he said the Golden Rule. So Leviticus is irrelevant to Christians. There is one small verse in Corinthians, but again it is not part of the Gospel. Jesus himself never addressed it. I’m not arguing that the historical Jesus, if there was one, would have supported it, but it is certainly a perversion of his message to make it a huge focus.

      • jaye says:

        My feeling on homosexuality and the church are from my real life. My cousin is gay and he is one of the most spiritually devoted people I know. My grandmother used to say he was “born of the devil” because he was gay. I always thought, and I’m getting emotional just typing this, how could someone so joyful and full of love be “born of the devil”? I don’t believe Christianity should be exclusionary and I don’t think homosexuality and Christianity are mutually exclusive.

      • CleverNever says:

        Kiddo, “…The Bible is ‘an interpretation of history’…”???

        Oh, dear, oh dear… We are doomed.

    • Sloane Wyatt says:

      “You can be very liberal and very pro-gay and still be a Christian.” Spooks

      Yes, you can. http://www.religionnews.com/2013/06/03/elca-lutherans-elect-first-openly-gay-bishop/

      The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the “Thinking and Drinking” church, takes a scholarly approach to the writings of the bible. There is no intellectual dishonesty or emotional dishonesty, for that matter, in this christian church. They stand for love, and forever learning.

      • gg says:

        Christianity is being reformed every day by changing society to stay current, including no longer putting crosses in churches because it was felt to be exclusionary. To ignore all that – well, anybody that doesn’t know that needs to tune in and get current. Not all Christians are fundies, not by a looooooooooongshot.

    • lunchcoma says:

      You absolutely can be. But that’s a pretty recent innovation, and Emma Thompson is 54 years old. My guess would be that she drifted away long before more tolerant branches of Christianity were available.

    • Steph says:

      Spooks, I’m guessing we were both born Irish Catholic. Here’s my view (and I have a feeling you might agree): IF God exists, s/he/it manifests in the care we take of each other. For my own purposes (you ladies will notice I’m not forcing it on anyone else or advocating that anyone else adopt it), it all boils down to a few simple concepts that have worked for me:
      1.Be kind.
      2.Be tolerant.
      3.Judge less.
      4.Help others.
      5.Be accountable for what you do.

      These beliefs don’t exclude anybody and so far, they have covered everything life has thrown at me.

      • MademoiselleRose says:

        Your philosophy is closest to mine. I don’t believe there is a God, but I do respect others’ beliefs so long as they don’t try to press them on me and I do have my own rules I try my hardest to live by and live up to and your concepts are basically the same as mine.

      • Kcaia says:

        I believe in your concepts, Steph. Not that they aren’t the basics behind most every religion, but if people actually followed them, maybe we could like each other, and like ourselves as well.

      • gg says:

        Steph – Absolutely. And my personal view of the Bible, and I feel this is a lot more widely embraced than people feel comfortable announcing, at the moment, is that the Bible is an inspirational work written by a lot of different people and uses parables and even hearsay, and has, as someone aptly put it above, altered and changed so much through the passage of time is is only to me a suggested guide, like the I Ching, Bhagavad Gita, etc. Books for study and suggestion rather than outdated mandates.

  4. Amanda_M87 says:

    My guess is she wasn’t too fond of Christianity to begin with.

    • Maureen says:

      That’s really all it is. She’s not the first person to pretend that the reason she rejected the religion of her birth is because one or another of its teachings didn’t jive with her socio-political worldview. I have no prejudice against (or in favor of) whatever she believes; it’s the patent dishonesty that I can’t stand.

      • Kiddo says:

        But how do you know that’s not the reason? I’m not saying it is, but maybe it actually is. Maybe it was the proverbial last straw, or tipping point.

      • THeOriginalKitten says:

        Yeah…I don’t get why you would automatically assume she’s lying about that?

      • msw says:

        is it the only reason she rejected it, probably not. I interpreted it as the beginning a much more detailed thought process. To call it patently dishonest doesn’t make a lot of sense.

      • lunchcoma says:

        It’s not always one thing or another. These days I’m an atheist. I was a reasonably devout Catholic as a teen and eventually rejected the faith due to its poor treatment of women and LGBT people (the child sex abuse scandals hadn’t happened yet). I spent some time being a vague unaffiliated sort of Christian, and while I was looking for a denomination that suited me, I spent some time thinking and reading and ended up with a very different set of beliefs than I’d held a few years prior. I don’t think this is unusual at all.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        Maureen, I have a very similar experience to Emma’s so I am wondering why you make that assumption.

        I remember the exact day it happened. My gay friend was showing me what an extraordinary person he was as I dealt with mourning. I realized that I had been ignoring the parts of Christianity I didn’t agree with, but if that was the word of God I had to believe in all of it. If it isn’t the word of God, how could I believe any of it? I knew in every fiber of my being that my gay friend was an amazing person (seriously, “amazing” does him a disservice). How and why would I continue to subscribe to a belief system that condemned someone I knew in my heart to be a genuinely good person?

        Sometimes the gay issue drives home a bigger point about the belief system, but the revelation originates from experiences with the gay community. It is possible.

      • Nina W says:

        “Patent dishonesty”, seriously, what about the patent dishonesty in the church itself? Spare me from your blind devotion to an outdated patriarchal institution whose main ambition seems to be to perpetuate ignorance and ensure women act as brood mares. The church hits all the highlights of your average bully, let’s find a weak group to target and hate together, it will unite us. Your prejudice is obvious Maureen, please don’t pretend otherwise.

    • Bubbles says:

      She rubs me the wrong way. She just seems so self important and like she knows everything.

    • Snarkweek says:

      That is also how I took it. Maybe it is unclear or maybe i’m wrong but it seems from the article that she made her decision at an age far too young to really understand the pros and cons etc. etc. It seems like it was an emotional pushback because of the wonderful, close relationships that she enjoyed with the homosexual adults in her life. As a Christian her stance makes me feel sad but I do love this passionate, intelligent, articulate tour de force 🙂

      • Kiddo says:

        She didn’t specify any age. Children develop empathy at a fairly young age, along with a sense of fairness. If she had a very close relationship with people raising her, and they were condemned by her church, she could easily, on a very basic level, understand that the church was unfair and not want to have a part of it. She might not have understood all of the nuances of ‘gayness’ but children understand rejection quite readily.

        Also, she didn’t specify when she outright dismissed the church versus when she noticed they weren’t kind to the people she loved.

    • Myrto says:

      I’ve read an interview many years ago where she stated that she was an atheist. So it’s not so much that she rejected christianity (which, as much as I love Emma, sounds a bit silly) but that she didn’t believe in god in the first place. But she’s doing a piece for The Advocate, a gay magazine so you know, gay stuff is going to be brought up in relation to her answers.
      I’m an atheist but I don’t reject christianity. What does that even mean? I live in a culturally and historically Catholic country so of course a lot of traditions are tied to Catholicism. I see it as an heritage of history, that’s all and don’t get worked up about it.
      I love everything she said about being called a bloke: femininity and masculinity are both social constructs and unsurprisingly everything coded as “feminine” is always seen as inferior to what’s coded as “masculine”. So I totally agree with her about the discomfort of being called a bloke. She’s awesome.

      • THeOriginalKitten says:

        So maybe she was raised in a Christian household, discovered later in life that the Christian doctrine didn’t resonate with her and decided to self-identify as an atheist.
        It happens all the time guys, it doesn’t mean she’s lying..

      • lunchcoma says:

        Not everyone comes to atheism the same way. I rejected Catholicism* and then later Christianity* and some time after that, decided that I didn’t believe in a deity, either.

        *By which I mean I strongly object to specific teachings of these faiths, not that I feel it’s open season to mock people who consider themselves Catholics or Christians.

      • gg says:

        Faith is a completely different animal I’ve found in the UK than in the US. Literally all my British friends including my British husband are completely allergic to the whole idea of God because they were never raised with it, it seems a foreign concept, and the only people they know that believe in God are over-the-top Bible banging nutbags that go around trying to convert everyone they see, which is a turnoff to anyone. The Church of England has not moved with the times at all so Brits feel the concept of God and faith are antiquated and ridiculous, in my experience.

        So I feel that has some bearing on Emma’s belief system.

      • Gretchen says:

        @gg
        I’m not sure your summary of the unpopularity of religion in the UK is really accurate. Although plagued with problems and times of controversy the CofE has been ordaining women priests since 1994, on its way to ordaining women bishops, and already ordaining openly gay priests and bishops… which, actually sounds pretty modern compared to other denominations.

        I don’t think the idea of Christianity being seen as antiquated and ridiculous in the UK has much to do with the CofE, and much more to do with general shifting cultural attitudes and increased cultural/religious diversity. The other point is that the UK seems much more secular in its political and educational institutions than many places in US eg. there is no way schools in the UK could opt to teach abstinence only models of sex education.

    • Jackie says:

      She probably does other reasons, but they could have been things she could live with. But when your religion condemns your loved ones to eternal torment simply for who they are, it becomes more personal.

      • Kiddo says:

        I don’t understand why people are questioning the genuineness or sincerity of her statement. People so readily accept the premise that some people don’t like gays because it has a religious basis, then how is it so easy to dismiss the opposite? Some people may reject a particular brand of religion for various or specific reasons, and then some people come to terms that they reject all brands of religion and the idea of a deity entirely.

      • Sloane Wyatt says:

        Excellent point, Kiddo.

      • THeOriginalKitten says:

        I posted the same above and I don’t understand how it’s even remotely germane to the conversation either, Kiddo.
        Very odd…

      • Tiffany :) says:

        “People so readily accept the premise that some people don’t like gays because it has a religious basis, then how is it so easy to dismiss the opposite”

        So well said!

    • Mauibound says:

      Here’s the thing that gets my goat, basically what determines your religion is where you were raised. Think about it, if you are born in the Middle East , there is a strong possibility of you being Muslim. If you were born in Western Europe or the Americas then you most likely are Christian of some form. To me religion seems so random. Like being royal, a lucky accident of birth

      • gg says:

        You are right on the money. People are comfortable with what they were raised. When we stop splitting hairs we would find many similarities and I think that should be expounded upon.

      • Nerd Alert says:

        And on that note, all religions have very strong mind control tactics that prevent most of their followers from considering other faiths. It’s always a sin to doubt the faith or consider other gods, so you’re raised with this “truth” and to even question it often promises punishment. In that way, they all have an acute awareness of their competition, and this is very important to me. If there were one true religion, it seems to me that sort of “sin” wouldn’t be built in.

  5. Wif says:

    I’m sure that everyone here knows this already, but liberal Christianity does not discriminate against gay people. It’s a shame that conservative Christianity is so loud and boorish that they have become the poster children for the religion.

    • Jackie says:

      Like I said in a comment earlier, it’s in the Bible. Old AND New Testament.

      • Bubbles says:

        Isn’t it in the New Testament only once when Paul repeats Leviticus? AND THE BIBLE IS NOT LITERAL. We also on’t believe the world was made in 6 days.

      • Jackie says:

        @ Bubbles Who is this “we” that you are talking about? 40% of Americans do take it literally.

        Also what is the meaning of the verses I quoted above? Where is the metaphor, allegory, parable or whatever you want to call it in those verses?

      • Bubbles says:

        My country is 87 % percent Catholic, and WE don’t take it literally. Americans are not my problem.
        In those verses there is also stated that you shouldn’t wear clothes of mixed fibres. Some of it is dated because the Bible is also a history book. But the gist is most important, the main message which is love.
        So, according to you, the only choices are atheism or complete fundamentalism?
        And why do atheists always need to prove they’re right? I have many religious, agnostic and atheist friends, and never has any religious friend tried to push their beliefs on to atheists, but we’ve been called stupid by atheists because we believe in God. Live and let live, no?

      • Jackie says:

        Glad you live in a more forward thinking country, and I mean that with no snark intended. And for what it’s worth, your new pope is awesome. And no, I am not advocating a dichotomy. There’s atheism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, SIkhism, etc.

        In America, at least the part where I live, I would really like to “live and let live” but the evangelical right won’t let me or anyone else they don’t like. There is exactly one atheist member of Congress out of 535. I get accosted every day by my family who want to save me before it’s too late. I NEVER bring the subject up first.

        Atheism is a single position on a single question. Do I believe in a God or gods? No. There is nothing else you can deduce from that. The rest of my worldview is shaped by my culture, upbringing and concepts of Humanism.

        I don’t see what is wrong with pointing out to Christians contradictory verses in the Bible, and it mostly is directed to the fundies who love to quote Leviticus to condemn homosexuality but hate when you throw the mixed fibers and shellfish verses back at them.

        I like pro-gay Christians and like that they choose the more loving tenets of Christianity but I don’t understand why they either won’t acknowledge or will distance themselves from uncomfortable verses. Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. PERIOD. If people want to chuck out the parts they don’t like, then why belong to that religion whose holy book has some really horrible things in it?

        One last thing… are not American Christians your brothers and sisters in Christ?

      • PrettyTarheelFan says:

        Jackie,
        I am so sorry that you’re treated with such disrespect. Several of my friends are atheist or agnostic, and while we have very spirited debates, I leave their personal beliefs, or lack thereof, alone. I am always open to talk about my views and how they shape my life, but I honestly feel that my role, spiritually speaking, is to create a space where people realize that Christians aren’t perfect, they aren’t trying to be perfect, they don’t have to be judgemental assholes, etc. It’s absolutely your right to not share my beliefs, and while I appreciate respect for those beliefs, (as opposed to mocking or belittling people who have a different belief structure), I don’t always get it either. One of my very dear friends is an extremely outspoken woman, and it took her a while to realize that mocking my beliefs wasn’t going to change them, but it was going to make it hard to hang out. I think it can be a defense mechanism on both sides (spirtitual vs. non-spiritual), possibly either as a result of years of harassment over religion, or out of a fear that their belief structure is wrong. I sometimes feel that the screaming religious right is not secure in their own beliefs, and so must prove that someone else is wrong, so they can be assured they are right. It’s painful. I want to identify as Christian, but these days I find it necessary to qualify that I am a liberal, inclusionist Christian, to avoid being lumped into the screaming nutbag brigade.

      • blue marie says:

        Honestly Jackie, it’s not really for you to understand just like your family not understanding your choice to be atheist. I can tell you my thoughts but that’s all they are.. mine. To me, it boils down to whether or not you believe a person is born gay or if it’s a choice. I believe a person is born gay, that it is not a choice and that God would not condemn a creation simply because it was created. So, I read those verses and see it as the writer trying to sway me to their way of thinking. *shrugs* maybe I’m wrong, but it’s the way I see it. Did that help any?

      • bluhare says:

        Jackie, don’t forget the 1/3 of Americans who don’t believe in evolution.

      • bluhare says:

        Bubbles, in my experience the people who HAVE to be right and brook no disagreement whatsoever are fundamentalist Christians (and I suspect it’s true of fundamentalist (insert name of religion here) as well). I was soured forever on organized religion after going to a fundamental Baptist church in my teens. All the fire and brimstone, sinning and the devil was more than I can take. Even then I remember thinking that God, this omnipotent being that was all about love (supposedly), was a overbearing, narrow minded and cruel. I was obsessed about how I’d go to hell because I’ve sinned.

        No, I don’t need a lecture on how that’s not true. That was my take in my early teens.

      • Wif says:

        “I like pro-gay Christians and like that they choose the more loving tenets of Christianity but I don’t understand why they either won’t acknowledge or will distance themselves from uncomfortable verses.”

        It stems from whether you believe that the bible is the Word of God or not. If you believe it is, then it’s uncomfortable and difficult to reconcile the loving god with the hateful god. But those that believe that the bible was inspired by God, but filtered down through the biases and agendas of the men that wrote it, have free reign to cherry pick what they need to conform it to their personal theologies.

      • jwoolman says:

        Jackie- many Christians do not take the Bible literally, that’s just a particular segment of Protestants who do. Catholics certainly don’t, the Bible is just one part of their tradition and Catholics beliefs continually are evolving. In Catholic schools decades ago I was taught that the Bible is often metaphorical, stories intended to illustrate a moral point, and has to be interpreted taking into account the culture of the times and the serious problems with any translation especially at such a distance from the time it was written. Arguments continue about individual passages and many people feel no need to reconcile the contradictions and sometimes awful advice in it. The fundamentalists have their Bible set in stone and it is used to justify their cultural beliefs. Some of their interpretations seem especially off – the sin of the residents of Sodom and Gomorrah clearly was not homosexuality, it was inhospitality to strangers. Lot’s idea of tossing his daughters to the rowdy crowd was rather sinful as well… Onan’s sin wasn’t masturbation, it was deliberately practicing contraception instead of fulfilling his moral obligation to try to impregnate his dead brother’s widow. All the sexual stuff has been twisted out of the stories to support a cultural antagonism to certain practices, it just isn’t there in the original texts.

      • Kiddo says:

        @jwoolman, Then what explains the Catholic church’s stance against homosexuality, if not the bible? And how did they arrive at the conclusion that women shouldn’t be priests? I am sincerely asking, because I have no idea.

      • Nina W says:

        Like I said above Jackie, what is said in the Modern English Bible is just that, modern and English. It’s great that you think we have received the un-diluted word of God or Christ but we have not. It’s great that the church has managed to convince you, an “atheist”, of it’s veracity but those of us who have actually slipped free of religious indoctrination view all religious publications with an appropriate amount of skepticism. And any person, religious or not, must recognize that there is no way for any work to be translated multiple times, through a variety of languages and retain it’s original meaning. That’s just not how translation works. This is what comes from a mono-lingual nation, no understanding of the subtlety of language or the complexities of translation.

    • Kate says:

      Truth. Jesus did not come to Earth to save us all from being gay, for crying out loud.

    • lunchcoma says:

      Emma presumably made this decision many years ago. There are currently denominations that have reformed their teachings on these issues, but those changes are quite recent. I applaud them for doing the right thing now, but I don’t think that entirely absolves them for many years during which they were discriminatory as well. It also doesn’t mean that people who have been doing perfectly well without Christianity for years are going to or are in any way obligated to return.

  6. Kiddo says:

    Everyone is on a continuum of stereotypically assigned masculine and feminine traits. Society wants to put those characteristics into solid lines or boxes. I have known men that are far more sensitive than women and women who are tough as nails. Does that make them less of a particular gender? I don’t think so. Everyone should be entitled to gender identification regardless of predominate traits. But I wouldn’t take offense to the bloke comment. It’s inclusive and not intended as an insult. It’s like someone calling you ‘folks’. I don’t think every minute of your life, you want to be seen as possible sexual partner, especially with someone who you don’t consider a possible sexual partner.

    Epilogue: I really love Emma, if that wasn’t clear.

    • Sixer says:

      I also think it’s a generation thing, as people break out of historical constraints.

      Here are “blokeish” things about me: big mouthed, opinionated, political, sweary, no interest in clothes or beauty.

      Here are “girly girl” things about me: not sporty, hate cars, can’t change a plug fuse or a lightbulb or do anything boyishly practical, love cooking. Can crochet!

      Yet, when I was younger, I was often called butch, or dyke, or blokeish by silly people. Not that I cared (thanks to the “blokeish” attributes above). None of the girly things about me were of note, presumably because they were conforming to the stereotype.

      Social stereotypes take a long time to fade away.

      • Kiddo says:

        True, not much to add to that.

      • blue marie says:

        You’re right Sixer. My mom is tall and broad shouldered and we were talking the other day about whether or not she should get a haircut. She told me in all seriousness (even though she whispered it) that she didn’t want people to think that she was a lesbian. After laughing so loud that I might have busted her ear drum I told her that I wasn’t sure when anyone would have thought that, but no one thinks that way anymore and to go get it cut. She absolutely loves it..

      • Sixer says:

        Yes, and hopefully, we’re slowly leaving all that behind.

        Mind you, I was noticed as an outlier/for being not girly for GOOD reasons, too. Ask my husband why he married me and he will say “Because you weren’t like other girls”. Then I moan and say “You mean you just ignored all the facets of my glorious personality that ARE girly”. Then he says, “See? That was it, right there.”

        !!

      • bluhare says:

        Me too Sixer. I was always told I intimidated boys/men because I’d give them an actual opinion or two.

  7. staceyP says:

    Lots ogf sinful people embrace it to!

  8. Jenns says:

    I see the religious trolls are out this Friday morning.

    • jaye says:

      What do you mean by that? I’m not picking a fight, but I’m who the trolls are. Are they the religious proponents or the religious opponents?

    • eliza says:

      Not trying to argue but because someone is religious or has a belief in a faith, it does not make them a troll. It is odd how so many scream about intolerance within Christianity but are intolerant of Christians and their beliefs. I have not read through the thread but the few posts I saw were people expressing their belief, which last I knew was what tolerance was all about. I guess not.

      • Leila in wunderland says:

        I don’t think she’s saying all religious or Christian people are trolls. I think she’s referring to commenters who troll posts related to homosexuality, religion, etc. with comments that express religious chauvinism (for example, see the very first comment) or homophobia.

    • Maureen says:

      Whoa, people engaging in a respectful, civil discourse are “trolls” now?

    • Jackie says:

      I’m an atheist and I support the right of religious people to express their beliefs. I also support the right of other people to criticize those beliefs and vice versa.

    • bluhare says:

      I think the poster is referring to the first poster in the thread who hasn’t been back. At least I hope so. 🙂

  9. Audrey says:

    Yes I could never be part of the church and this is a big reason. So much hate from the christian community and so much hypocrisy as well.

    I love Emma for saying this and supporting gay rights. I strongly feel like one day people will be as ashamed of the need for a gay rights movement as we now are of the need for a fight to segregation/slavery. Both are so shameful, there should have never been a need for either fight. Just treat people like people.

    • Scarlet Vixen says:

      @Audrey: Rejecting Christianity in it’s entirety is like rejecting the entire continent of Europe because you went to a bad restaurant in Paris. There are plenty of Christians, congregations & even denominations that are open-minded, nonjudgmental, good & generous.

      I am a child of 1 Jewish & 1 Catholic parent who grew up going to a Judeo-Christian church but living in a Catholic community. TheCatholic children could be terribly cruel, telling me I was going to hell on a daily basis because I didn’t observe Christmas or Easter. But I don’t think ALL Catholics are horrible people. A few years ago I was called to a Christian church that is a great mix of traditional but accepting. The congregation is full of the most amazingly generous people. My in-laws have lived their entire lives in ministry. My FIL has his doctorate in theology and preached and taught for 40yrs. They are probably the least judgmental people I know. So don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Are there ‘Christians’ who give Christianity a bad name? Absolutely. There are women who give our gender a bad name, athletes who sully their sport, extremist Muslims, etc.

      • Mel says:

        Well said, Scarlett Vixen.
        Or, as a good friend of mine, used to say, it’s like blaming the water for those who drown because they cannot swim.

        BTW (as a more general comment), I really don’t see the logic behind invoking the Old Testament to denigrate (or uphold!) Christianity.
        The whole point of Christ’s teachings – you know, the guy who gave Christianity its name? – was to OVERRULE the ancient law of Moses which preached “an eye for an eye” and other such pearls of wisdom. That’s WHY the New Testament is “new” – a new “binding agreement” between God and humans, based on MERCY and unconditional LOVE, not hatred or retribution.

        The truth is, most people – myself included, of course – seem to be just too spiritually LAZY to try and open themselves to the staggering implications of loving unconditionally – everyone. Or at least try. Even knowing there is no other way to freedom.

      • Mel says:

        Totally agree Mel. Jesus came to fulfill the law set in the OT because is is impossible for man to follow them.

  10. Gabriella says:

    I rarely read the entirety of an interview. I did for her.

  11. eliza says:

    Nothing trailblazing about rejecting Christianity. Millions do. It’s her life and whatever works for her, great. Religion is not for everyone.

    You can be a Christian and a liberal thinker. It is possible. She more than likely was not enamored with the idea of it to begin with. Most people can combine belief systems and live happily. She apparently was not one of them.

    • Kiddo says:

      I think that people are becoming insulted based on one woman’s private journey and choice. She hasn’t declared a war against religion or Christianity, nor is she advocating for dissolution of churches through legislation. She is relaying her personal story and why she decided not to take part in religion and Christianity. She is under no obligation to do further research for different persuasions of religion in order to join, because her reasons for leaving make some people uncomfortable.

      For me, it was slow process even though my church was incredibly liberal amongst a community of very staunch churches. First, I questioned why I needed the authority of someone else to be an intermediary to God. Then I questioned what ‘sin’ was and how all over the board it was. My thoughts were that the ten commandments lumped together a bunch of things that I felt weren’t entirely equal with one another (some looking like felonies, while others were misdemeanors or no crimes at all, in a sense). While very young, my thoughts were, How does a murderer get a pass for saying , “I’m sorry”, while the adulterer who doesn’t, goes to hell and that type of thing. There were many other steps along the way as I became an adult, where church didn’t make a lot of sense to me and eventually neither did religion or an omnipresent omnipotent deity. But maybe if my church had been anti-gay, hurting certain members of my family at a younger age, this process may have been accelerated and shortened.

      Although I’m agnostic, leaning more toward atheism, I have no problem with people believing in the religion of their choice. No one can say that Emma has a problem with that either, because she didn’t say that. She said the reason that she specifically rejected it was because of a particular experience that she had.

      • blue marie says:

        I don’t always agree with you Kiddo, but I always appreciate your well thought out answers.

      • Kiddo says:

        Thanks blue marie

      • Kcaia says:

        I had a very similar upbringing with religion, Kiddo. As a young child I believed in the religion (Catholicism) I was taught. I went to a catholic school, and everyone I knew was a practicing catholic, and what I found in religion was fear, vengeance, and hypocrisy. The teachers at my school, the members of my church, were no kinder or righteous than any others, besides the exception of one lovely nun, the ones I knew really didn’t care about anyone but themselves, anymore than others did. They followed religion to their convenience, to me it seemed more as a tradition than a way of life. I spent many nights as a young child tormented by the thought of hell and an angry God, I was terrified that everyone I loved would eternally burn. I thought of all the what ifs; what if I died suddenly after sinning; what if there wasn’t time to confess my sins or to ask God for forgiveness? By the time I was in my early teens, I was of the attitude of, oh well, I’m going to hell anyways. As a young adult I was fascinated by science, and was more of how you said, agnostic leaning towards atheism. At times I would pray, but as a child prays, and always in secret. I never asked for anything for myself, but I would pray for those I knew or knew of that needed prayers, and I would thank God for my family and friends, and sometimes, in my confusion, I would ask Jesus to save me, but only if that was my destiny-I would specify, because being “saved” seemed such a dull life to me, and my prayers were more of a “just in case there is a God”. Because I figured if there was, I was doomed for sure. And when about 7 months ago (it hasn’t been that long) I had, what I perceive as, an enlightenment, I was so excited, at first, to be able to have the happiness I had and the ability to make the changes I was able to make without God in my life. I didn’t realize at the time that those changes were going to bring me to God. But for me what I see as God is creation. To me God is evolution, He is life, and He is all of us. He is the miracle of existance, and the power of infinity. We will never have all the answers that He has, but we have everything we need. we don’t need a Bible to know how to treat people, it’s in our hearts, we know what’s right and what’s wrong. and God isn’t just following us around trying to save us trying to make our lives better and happier, it really should be the opposite and that’s where people get confused I think, because people wonder how could God do this or do that to His own children, but God is eternal, he doesn’t live in the present like us, He doesn’t question life, He is life. when I found God every moment of my life made sense; everything I’ve ever thought, everything I’ve ever done, everything I’ve ever experienced…and I didn’t need to ask anymore questions. Life is perfect, because it’s imperfect. We are all good and we are all bad, the beauty in it is the choice. We have the choice to be the best we can be, because we are perfection. It is all part of the plan, were all just rebellious little children, trying to find our way back to Him, not wanting to admit that we need Him to find the peace that we crave. I also believe in reincarnation, but I do not follow any religion. Although the message is correct in most religions, the book was written by man, it is an interpretation of God. We don’t need that to find God because He is already inside of us. Direction can be helpful, but not.necessary. Especially if the guy who wrote them was lost himself.

      • Kiddo says:

        Kcaia, for me, there is this life, and when you are gone, it is the end, as it is with animals, insects and plants. The reincarnation is, or should be, what’s left of the decomposing organisms to replenish the Earth and the cycle of rebirth is that which grows on the energy of what was once you, or the legacy in good acts or kindness that is remembered, considered, and repeated from example by other people when you are gone.

        Although there is sadness in never seeing loved ones in some other world once they have died, there is more poignancy in every single minute on Earth with them, and more of a reason to be kind, because this isn’t a dress rehearsal for some later Shangri La of a do-over later. I think if you are poor or oppressed, now’s the time to deal with it, fight for your rights and place, because no one is going to reward you with riches elsewhere. I think Heaven was a construct of the wealthy and powerful to keep people from raging against the machine, frankly. It’s a way of saying, “Be grateful you’re meek and poor, you’ll get benefits later”. Which, to me, is so ironic since in modern and olden days, churches and televangelists (today) were/are raking in the dough, hand over fist, at times. I guess they forgo the benefits of Heaven by saying, “I’ll take mine now”. It’s the height of hypocrisy for politicians to get the little guy riled up on religion, so they can club them down further in other ways. Or maybe the origin of that inheriting the Earth thing was a nice little white lie told to comfort those who you knew you couldn’t possibly make things better for.

        Anyway, that has been my ‘epiphany’. I am moving further away from the starting point, not circling back. If there is something powerful, it’s not what everyone has been promoting and picturing. If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong. There really are other things more pressing to worry about.

        Be grateful for the good things, even ordinary little ones, and people who are nice, they may not be here tomorrow. Be a decent person because it’s the right thing to do, not because there is a risk of punishment or reward, or because someone hollered it from a podium.

  12. Ellen says:

    The folks who want to preach the Bible verses against homosexuality should at the very least find another venue, because the Bible is filled with verses condemning gossip. 2 Corinthians 12:20, anyone?

    Sheesh.

    (In other news, I love Emma SO MUCH.)

  13. Louisa says:

    I love this woman so much. That is all.

    • Florc says:

      Aside from a few stray comments I’ve made I also only came here to say she’s utterly amazing. And that white coat looks like a white down blanket. I want that coat so terribly.

      • THeOriginalKitten says:

        The coat is so amazing!
        Sadly, as an urbanite, white coats are completely impractical. It would be brown within a week 🙁

  14. Claudia says:

    Um, good for her. I reject Christianity and every other religion for the same reason I don’t believe in the tooth fairy.

  15. Allikitty6545 says:

    Jackie/Jaye- first of all, pick a freaking name. Unless you can can read/write/speak the original language in which the bible was written don’t expect me to live my life to the letter of a translation of a translation of a translation. Also, if you truly are an atheist then what does it matter to you what the bible says? If you believe there is no higher power then you don’t have a dog in the fight, so sit down and be quiet.

    • Jackie says:

      Uhhhh…. I’m Jackie and no one else. Contact the admins of this site if you need confirmation. So which of the translations of the translations of the translations do you live by? It’s the Christians (some, not all) who want to legislate people’s lives based on their holy book, so that’s my dog in this fight. It is not my fault the Bible as some really objectionable stuff and as long as people continue to use it to dictate other people’s lives I will continue to throw it back at them. And what I’m saying about the liberal Christians is to stop acting like the Bible doesn’t clearly condemns homosexuality. If you choose to ignore it, fine, that’s great, but own up to the fact that you ignore it.

      • Dena says:

        Waves at Jackie. Hi! I’m a liberal, pro-gay rights Christian, and, no I don’t chose to ignore what the Bible says about homosexuality – I think it was mistranslated. There is A LOT of scholarly discussion and linguistic interpretation around those verses and the position most liberal theologians have taken is that the real meaning (or most likely meaning) of the word had to do with being a pimp or selling sex for money. This is based on its usage in other texts from that time and its inclusion in a list of monetary sins, not sexual.

        Obviously, I’m simplifying here, and a quick google will lead you to much more information. My church happens to have a gay pastor and his husband and is welcoming and inclusive. I don’t object to your views on religion, or your right to express them, but please don’t generalize that all liberal, pro-gay Christians are just hand-waving or ignoring those verses. Many of us have put time and thought into our beliefs, particularly if (like me) we were raised to hate homosexuality but it never sat right with us, and I frankly find it insulting that you’d imply otherwise.

      • PrettyTarheelFan says:

        Amen, Dena. Add in the need to procreate, fear of anything different, and a benefit to marginalizing and excluding certain groups, and you’ve got a whole host of reasons to reinterpret scripture. I believe the Bible began as the story of love-God to his people, people to each other. It’s been in a lot of hands since it was written.

      • Nina W says:

        If you’re an atheist Jackie, you’re not a very good one, why are you quoting the Bible and expecting all Christians everywhere to follow your Biblical interpretation? Atheists reject all of it. It’s fine to discuss religion and have your opinions but don’t call yourself an atheist and then try to argue religious dogma. If you are an atheist, you truly have no dog in this fight and you also don’t have the right to call Christians hypocrites for not believing what you yourself claim to know is not true.

    • THeOriginalKitten says:

      What? So because Jackie is an atheist she’s not allowed to have an opinion or questions about religion?
      Strongly disagree.

      That being said, as an atheist I fully support liberal Christians. I truly don’t GAF about the contradictions between the bible and liberalism. Live and let live, whatever works for you is good by me.

      • Dena says:

        @theoriginalkitten – I’m not sure what you were responding to above, but to be clear, I wasn’t objecting to her opinions or saying that Jackie couldn’t have them, what I was objecting to was her assertion that Chrsitians who are pro-gay are ignoring the Bible, or cherry-picking verses (upthread). I find that just as insulting as saying something like “oh, she’s just an atheist as a knee-jerk reaction to her childhood” or the like. I put a lot of time and thought into my faith (ever waded through a 200 page doctoral dissertation? I have ;-p), and I give others the benefit of tr doubt that they have done the same, whatever their particular beliefs. I do find someone saying that I’m ignoring parts of the Bible because it doesn’t suit me to be rude and presumptuous – I would never make that same assumption about what she may or may not believe. And that was what I was trying to call out.

    • jaye says:

      Hi, I’m Jaye, Jackie and I are NOT the same person.

  16. Myrto says:

    I’ve just remembered. Emma DID play gay actually. In the sitcom Ellen where she played herself but as someone who was in the closet. The whole episode is hilarious (it’s on youtube I believe).
    I don’t know what she meant by “proper” lesbian though so that might be the reason why she didn’t mention that part.

    • TWINK says:

      That’s what I thought of too! That’s the only episode of that show that I’ve seen and I’ve been meaning to watch more of it as I love Ellen!

  17. Snarkweek says:

    My own personal views about homosexuality, Christianity and religion are not important here but I am curious. So many people loudly and constantly remind us that they feel the Bible should not be taken literally and that it is a collection own allegories. If that is the case then I would like to know exactly what do you believe to be the take-home message or symbolism behind scriptures that tell us that for a man to lie with another man is a sin. And also, how do you feel comfortable using the Bible stance on sodomy as a valid excuse for a complete frontal assault on all things biblical? The Bible actually makes it very clear that love, in its purest form, is godly. Many Christians feel that sodomy is a sin but that all love is sacred. There are beautiful examples in the Bible of this sort of deep, emotional and passionate love between same sex individuals that is exalted for its purity and go to. That is why many Christians do not condemn homosexuals, nor should anyone feel they have the right to condemn or judge anyone. What I personally never understood was how so many Christians feel that homosexuality is such a dealbreaker, but it is somehow so absolutely completely and thoroughly evil that it justifies The vile, hateful treatment that is heaped upon the gay community. Disgusting and know, Jesus would not have approved.

    • PrettyTarheelFan says:

      I feel that the there are a couple of reasons behind the scriptures as they were written. Let’s look at the cultural implications behind that scripture. One impact is procreation. When you’re trying to grow a religion, you want people to have babies. Non-traditional sex (ETA-to be clear, I am using the traditional term to mean penis in vagina. That does not mean that I feel that this is the only correct way to have sex. It’s just falling along the lines of “traditional” marriage.) does not lead to babies. Two is fear. Fear of different, fear of the idea that sexuality is a spectrum as opposed to a hard and fast rule, fear of the power of “hedonistic” lifestyles that allow all forms of sexuality, etc. Three is differentiation. By creating a highly defined lifestyle, including rules for clothing, jewelry, hair, grooming, eating and drinking habits, sexual behaviors, and all other aspects of daily life, people of the Book (Jews, Muslims, and Christians) are showing that not only is their God different, it makes them better. By showing that they do or do not do x, y, and z, they are giving clear-cut, visible, and tangible examples of things that they do well religiously, when compared to other religions of the day. Otherwise, it’s just a case of, my God is better than your God. (Which, frankly, is what we’re getting into these days. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all spring from the same well. We just have a different interpretation of how that God developed his relationship with his followers. )

      Now, as to why people think it’s ok to continue to mock, deride, abuse, and campaign against homosexuality, fear. Fear is the defining trait. Fear that homosexuality represents a decline in “moral values.” *ahem, horseshit* Clearly, there have been same sex relationships since the beginning of time. It’s not a decline, and it’s not an improvement. it’s just life-some people are gay, some are straight, some are bi, some are pan, and there’s a whole other list of ways to define how you feel about people you do or do not want to bang. People use all sorts of scripture to justify what they want to believe. They used it to justify beating women and children, they used it to justify slavery, they used it to justify racial separation, and since the general public has rejected all that, all they’ve got left is homophobia, and they are clinging to it with their only free hand. (The other one is thumping a Bible with a rifle. You have to be a multi-tasker to handle this kind of hate.)

      • I Choose Me says:

        Love every word of this post.

      • prayforthewild says:

        +1 I’m with I Choose Me, great post, PrettyTarheelFan!

      • Nina W says:

        Excellent comment PTHFan, I would also add that I think hatred unifies groups and it’s much easier to rile up the townsfolk and get the tar and pitchforks primed if it’s a group decision and everyone agrees, “we all hate (fill in the blank).”

  18. Kate says:

    One of the reasons that we will never be able to reconcile our views on this is because people have radically different definitions of the word “love”. I was told recently that the definition of “love” is “open”. When I asked what he meant by that, he said, “accepting of all people and behaviors”. What?

    People with diametrically opposing world views can’t really have productive arguments on this topic.

  19. erinn says:

    as a 32 year old lesbian, i can advise that Emma has been my #1 celebrity crush since forever. so move over, Sandra Bullock and Meryl Streep!

    or join in. i like them too. but Emma reigns.

  20. Jess says:

    I’ve always loved Emma but lately ever interview she gives just makes me love her more. She is freakin’ amazing: brilliant, compassionate, thoughtful, funny, warm…and more beautiful now than ever!

  21. Cecilia says:

    Dear Dr. Laura:

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law.

    I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
    with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
    lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
    states it to be an abomination. … End of debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
    God’s Law and how to follow them.

    1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
    pleasing odour for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They
    claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
    21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
    period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I
    tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

    4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
    female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A
    friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
    Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

    5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
    The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
    to kill him myself?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
    abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
    don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
    defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
    vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
    around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27.
    How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
    unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
    crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
    different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
    and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
    getting the whole town together to stone them? – Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we
    just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
    who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable
    expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

    Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your adoring fan,

    Anonymous

    • Annie says:

      That’s not anonymous, it’s from the West Wing; credit should be given.

      • Cecilia says:

        Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. This is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It’s funny, as well as informative.

    • Val says:

      Haha that is quite funny!

    • sparrow says:

      @Cecilia and everyone else who doesn’t understand why Christians CAN eat shellfish and DO NOT perform animal sacrifices or stone people, etc.:

      That stuff is from the Old Law (“Old Covenant”) written for the Israelites, not for Christians. Once Jesus came along, God made the “New Covenant.” And while the moral aspects of law — including abstaining from homosexuality — are reaffirmed in the New Covenant, the ceremonial and judicial parts of the law NEVER applied to Christians. So anything about slavery or selling your daughter or menstruation has nothing to do with Christianity. Any Christian who can’t explain this to you doesn’t understand their own religion.

      And while different churches might have different ideas about homosexuality, NONE follow the old Levitical Law.

    • jaye says:

      I don’t care where it’s from, it was laugh out loud funny!

  22. Miss Jupitero says:

    Coming out really does change the world. Most people started to question the bigotry against gays and lesbians when they realized that their wonderful friends next door are gay. Ice you see the real faces of real people your mind opens.

    I think equal marriage rights will be a given before too long. The question isn’t if, but when. I was struck by how even in Utah people came out in strong numbers to support their gay and lesbian neighbors. Homophobia is becoming downright archaic.

    As for rejecting the church, I did the same thing for the same reasons when I was young. I was also outraged by the church’s attitudes toward women. . I refused to be confirmed. I do not understand how anyone can be a part Ora religion that explicitly considers a whole subset of humanity to be second class and unworthy of leadership.

  23. Mel says:

    I LOVE Emma (as an actress), but her “Christianity” mustn’t have been particularly profound to begin with if she fails to realise that the whole point of Christianity is loving – unconditionally – everyone, no exceptions allowed. And there is NOTHING, no word, in the gospels about homosexuality at all.

    I suppose she means the “Christianity” of so many people who pick and choose from Paul’s epistles (which are NOT the gospels, i.e. Christ’s words) – and even invoke the Old Testament – to tailor themselves a “faith” fit for their own pedestrian preferences.

    But that would be like blaming the concept and tenets of democracy for all the abuses that have been and are being committed in its name.

  24. als says:

    “We shouldn’t be within the pale of polite society. It’s a disaster that actors have become so respectable.” – EXACTLY.

    Every actor/ actress nowadays wants the white picket fences story. Why, why do they claim to have such a creative endeavour if they are not willing to explore life? They all want to leave Hollywood and live a nice, quite life with a big paycheck coming from their ‘art’.
    It’s nothing wrong with the white picket fences story, but Hollywood should be about glamour (that is at least how they advertise themselves) and scandal and beautiful insanity.
    I just saw the post of Chris Hemsworth on a family outing – a great picture, I am happy for him, but I am not buying him as an actor, I am buying him as a pretty face that struck gold in a movie.

    The movie world was built by wacky people ( and businessmen) that observed human behaviour and put it on screen for everyone to see (writers and actors). But these wacky people had a different vision on life that allowed them to observe from outside and tell a story, each with their own vision and story – it was a gift and a curse.
    The current generation of actors is still living off the wackiness of the previous one. They are not risk – takers, just risk – talkers. They don’t enjoy the stigma of being outsiders thmselves but they love the money that comes with an industry created by not so respectable or polite people.

    • Val says:

      +100

      This also somewhat ties into Meryl Streep’s speech (from yesterday’s post) about how highly creative people often had difficult personalities/off beliefs (paraphrasing to the extreme here).

      The thing with the movie industry is that is now has to cater to the masses through things like social media and high visibility, something actors didn’t have to deal with 30-50 years ago.

      For instance, they wouldn’t pick a weird, but extremely creative girl over a girl-next-door blonde bombshell, simply because the latter might sell more cinema tickets. The “art” doesn’t matter as much.

  25. Ice Maiden says:

    I doubt Emma was ever a devout Christian to begin with. Very few British people from her background – metropolitan elite – are religious at all. There are probably more practicing Muslims than practicing Christians in the UK these days.

    • Suze says:

      I just said something similar below. I should have read your comment first.

    • Faith says:

      Actually christianity is the most practiced religion in the UK muslims only account for about 5% of the population while christianity accounted for 59% this was taken from the 2011 census. Often its right wing propaganda which propagate that we have a rising population of muslims its not true.

      • Ice Maiden says:

        Well, the UK does have a rising population of Muslims, as was clear from today’s news – nearly 10% of babies born in the UK now are Muslim, which is a big increase from a few years ago. Not saying that’s a good or bad thing, but it is a fact.

        And just because 59% of British citizens identify as Christian on a census does not mean they are devout. I live on and off in the UK and could count the practicing Christians I know on the fingers of one hand. Of course it varies from one part of the country to another, but I’m betting that very few people in the arty middle class set Emma was brought up in are devout Christians.

    • Nina W says:

      So much judgement hidden in the term “devout” isn’t there? I suppose if you go to church every Sunday and wind up your God, you’re devout? Or if you wear your religious garb in public, you’re devout? Here is the problem with your judge-y attitude, who are you to claim one Christian is more devout than another, or one’s faith is weaker? You make a number of assumptions about something you know nothing about and then you speak with certainty. I know where you learned that, the church.

  26. GIRLFACE says:

    I love her.

  27. Suze says:

    I adore Emma as an actress. I think she’s brilliant. I adore her as a human being, too, I think she owns her views as is very honest about them.

    That said, it isn’t surprising that she’s an atheist or that she supports gay rights. It’s very much the norm in the world in which she lives. What would be surprising is if she she said she was a devout Christian.

    I’m just glad that that acceptance of gay people is growing outside of that world – that’s where the real progress is made. And if seeing someone like Emma Thompson – who comes across as very down to earth and relatable – espouse those views helps others in their path toward tolerance, so much the better.

    • Steph says:

      How about this? Love between two humans is a precious, wonderful thing. It should be about two people sharing their lives with each other, celebrating the good times and supporting each other through the bad times. Why should the genitalia of the parties be the business of anybody except the two people actually in the relationship? Love is hard to find and the world can be a cold and lonely place. If you are lucky enough to find somebody to love and that somebody loves you back, the number of vaginas and penises involved in the equation seems to me to be completely irrelevant. Just my two cents (from Canada, where we don’t even have pennies anymore).

      • Suze says:

        Well, yes! Of course.

        To bring it back on topic, I’m sure Emma would agree, too.

        Should be true regardless of the country you hail from.

  28. Jessiebes says:

    As I mentioned in a precious post (ad nauseum) I became a born again Christian 22 years ago at 19, again my choice, since my parents and friends were mostly agnostics or atheists.

    Anyway I absolutely refuse to believe that a God of Love would be against homosexuality, or any other kind of expression of love that isn’t man-woman.

    Thankfully I live in a country where gay marriage is not just accepted but considered completely normal, as it should be.

    • Prettytarheelfan says:

      How did you become a born-again Christian against your choice? (Or link to the previous thread where you shared this story.)

      • Jessiebes says:

        Im sorry I don’t understand your question.
        It wasn’t against my choice that I became a Christian, it was my choice and mine alone.

      • Jessiebes says:

        But if you meant to ask me why.

        Well I’ve always thought there was more between heaven and earth than what we see. So I investigated multiple religions, Scientology, witchcraft, the paranormal, etc. Then I heard the story of Jesus and that made the most sense to me.

      • PrettyTarheelFan says:

        Ha, NO, I read it as against. I seriously read it 3x too-really brain dead moment! So sorry about it!
        I was raised Southern Baptist, currently an inclusionist Christian. I am happy for you. The wonderful thing about figuring out your religious beliefs as an adult(ish) is that you can feel grounded in them. I really feel that some of the rabid hatred comes from a place of fear, and not truly understanding why you believe what you believe. It’s the equivalent of the school yard bullying. When you put work into your beliefs, you can feel confident that they are right. When they were spoonfed to you from an early age, and you never did any kind of soul-searching to reach them…it becomes like arguing about colors or 2×2. There’s never any other answer than 4. Childhood brains that are taught religion like the multiplication tables regurgitate like the multiplication tables. No thought, no insight, just, 2×2 must equal 4. 🙂

      • Lucinda says:

        That’s an interesting perspective because the people I have met who found religion as adults are some of the most conservative Christians I have ever met. They seem less secure rather than more so. I find them to be desperately looking for order in a world of chaos and Christianity provides that for them. As a result, they adhere to rules very literally and there is no room for gray areas. It always puzzled me how you could “find God” as I grew up in the church and can’t remember a time where I didn’t believe in God. I believe him/her to be as real as the air I breathe. But I find organized religion to be more and more constraining because many of the ideas and rules are ridiculous. I am glad you Find God to be an expression of love. That is beautiful.

    • Ange says:

      As long as one of those in the marriage submits then it’s a-ok hmm?

  29. Kelly says:

    Ummmm many people need to get better educated about Christianity, including Emma Thompson. Not all Christians think homosexuality is “bad” or “wrong”.

    • Lucinda says:

      But Christian doctrine, specifically the Bible, does clearly state homosexuality is sinful. I could make a whole lot of arguments that Jesus never argued this position, only his disciples, but nonetheless, Christian doctrine does take this position. I think her statement does not reflect a lack of understanding of Christianity. However, there are progressive Christians who do not agree with this doctrine. They are the minority. The middle group, the more politically correct, claim to love the sinner but not the sin. They believe they are not condemning people, but only their choices which is silly too because it is not a choice. So, yes, the majority of Christians do believe homosexuality is bad or wrong. You appear to be in the minority and God bless you for that. Sincerely.

    • prayforthewild says:

      Staying on topic, she didn’t say anything about Christians, she referred to Christianity, the organized religion. In particular, the one SHE grew up with, which was against homosexuality, as per what she said. Of course there are innumerable ways individual Christians themselves choose to worship and interpret their religion. However, that’s not her responsibility to look at, as she spoke only of her own personal journey, she said nothing about anyone else’s beliefs, she simply expressed her own opinion.

  30. Liz says:

    I think people should also realize that Christianity is not the only religion that speaks out against the act of homosexuality. There are other well known religions that do not accept the concept of it either. Also many cultures that don’t embrace it. Rejecting something out right just because it doesn’t appeal to you emotionally is no way to understand what might be morally right or wrong. I find most people these days pick and chose what they want to believe and what appeals to them. They want many of the concepts that Christianity stands for like love, peace and the idea that every human being is an individual with their own inalienable rights. But then take a very modernistic approach to topics like abortion, and homosexuality etc. I also find it funny that a Christian who speaks out against homosexuality is discriminated against yet someone who discriminates against Christianity and those who don’t support homosexuality are in turn praised. I think the right to having your own beliefs and the concept of freedom of speech should go both ways. It’s my personal opinion that arguments against homosexuality should have nothing to do with Christianity or the bible. I’m alot more interested in the longevity of gay relationships and how homosexuality effects couples emotionally and physically and also how it effects the children being raised in those households then I am about what a bible verse says on the topic.

    • Kiddo says:

      Actually, people can speak about their positions on a variety of things. As to laws, I think that there has been a breach of the First Amendment, when politicians cite religious belief as the reasons for enacting laws. That has no place in legislation and it shouldn’t be a part of the conversation at all. The First Amendment is supposed to guarantee that there is no state/government mandated religion. By advancing laws based solely on a specific belief, you are going against the constitution. I’m not saying that people’s belief system doesn’t influence the way that see things, because everyone has baggage. However, to outright make justifications on laws tied to specific religious belief takes away freedom of religion and freedom from religion. What people choose to practice inside the confines of their churches and belief systems should be left intact and they shouldn’t be punished or discriminated against because of it. But their right to practice does not and should not equate to forcing a dedication and adherence of those values onto all citizenry.

    • Maureen says:

      In ultra-orthodox Muslim countries like Iran and Saudia Arabia they put homosexuals to death, per the teaching of Islam. Why isn’t anyone in Hollywood crying about this savage treatment of human beings? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

      • Kiddo says:

        I’ don’t see how that relates to this story or anything here, really. Do you think that people who are for rights of others somehow think it’s okay that some other religion is perpetrating crimes for the same prejudice? What was the point?

        Emma didn’t leave Christianity for Islam. She wasn’t brought into it through her family or by proximity while growing up.

      • lunchcoma says:

        Perhaps because there are painfully few Muslim celebrities? Emma’s not making a protest point. She’s talking about her own experiences, and she was raised Christian rather than Muslim.

      • Maureen says:

        @ Kiddo

        It seems my post didn’t attach to the comment I was responding to. If you look about 2 posts up from mine (the Islam one) you’ll see that someone else pointed out that Christianity isn’t the only religion that rejects homosexuality. And Kiddo you saw that comment because you responded to it also. I was expanding on that by pointing out one such religion that does indeed reject homosexuality … sometimes to a deadly degree. But the same people who accuse Christianity (or Christians in general, or the Pope, or whomever) of “hating gays” don’t ever seem to have a word to say about how other religions treat/view gays.

      • Kiddo says:

        Fair enough on the one you were responding to. I didn’t mean to jump on you. I think a point that I do keep harping on is that Muslims do not have a strong lobbying group in this country, so those pushing against gays, in the US, are Christians. Plus, the US government with all of its wars, ambassadors, sanctions, droning and whatnot, ends up having little to no impact on culture and crimes against humanity in the Middle East. Hollywood is not going to have a larger impact, and as someone said above, maybe that might work a little if you had a very prominent celebrity that is Muslim speaking to those issues.

  31. msw says:

    I heard an interview with her yesterday on NPR and found out she has lived on the same street her entire life. It sounds like her street wasn’t exactly the hood or anything, but I still find it refreshing. She was talking about taking the tube and sometimes running into fans to ask her “What are you doing here?” and she said, “I’ve been here my whole life!”

    she seems like one of the most down to earth, intriguing, intelligent, and all-around awesome people in the movie industry.

  32. I Choose Me says:

    Growing up in the church and reading my bible extensively is what ultimately made me reject Christianity/religion. I do however embrace spirituality.

    Anywho, Love Emma. Love her quick wit and what had she had to say about femininity.

    • Lucinda says:

      Yes, I pretty much say reading the Bible was the worst thing I did for my faith in religion. I left the church within a couple years of getting serious about reading the thing cover to cover. I quit at Kings.

    • jaye says:

      “Growing up in the church and reading my bible extensively is what ultimately made me reject Christianity/religion. I do however embrace spirituality.”

      While I don’t reject Christianity, I also outright reject religion and embrace spirituality. Religion is one of the reasons I’ve become “allergic” to going to church.

  33. NewWester says:

    To all the people who commented on this topic I just have to say what a lively and informative discussion!
    Everyone in my office(including my boss !) loved reading the comments!

  34. Lucinda says:

    “I thought, That’s ridiculous! It’s perfectly normal, so what do you mean it isn’t allowed?” Does anything else really need to be said? Love this.

  35. LaurieH says:

    I totally get her “bloke” response. I am a guy’s gal through and through. Men love me, always have. They say it’s because I “get them” and that I’m “like a guy”. I don’t think, when men say that, to infer that we are somehow masculine. I think Emma misconstrued what Hugh was saying. It’s insulting to say men are simple creatures, because they are not. But there is a simplicity about them in terms of how they look at life. The more masculine the man, the more simplicity he possesses. The more feminine the man, the more nuanced he is. That’s why, I think, a lot of women feel a kinship with gay men…they are more nuanced. They “get” us. But when men, like Hugh, say we are a “bloke” or “like a man”, I think what they mean is that we “get” their simplicity.

  36. Samira says:

    Amazing! The amount of comments this topic generated. Jesus said he would be despised.

    • prayforthewild says:

      You obviously haven’t actually read the comments, it’s called intelligent discourse. A dissenting opinion does not automatically equate to hate, just FYI.

      • Jaded says:

        @Samira….religion is like anything else on this planet – in a constant state of refining and reinvention. It’s like religious Darwinism in that as we grow and learn as human beings, our beliefs change, expand and become more inclusive. So if we pick and choose, it’s because certain religious tenets have become outmoded and are being replaced by better ways of being loving, caring, healing human beings in a more secular sense, rather than being directed by what a certain religion decrees. The human race must learn to embrace the good aspects in all religions, not entrench ourselves in only one rigid belief system, or we will continue to go to war over religious superiority until the world is destroyed.

    • Kiddo says:

      And Marlon Brando said, “I coulda been a contendah”. But that would be a non sequitur as well, although infinitely more entertaining to hear.

      • Samira says:

        Were a person to actually read and digest the Bible, and to read through this blog, the conclusion that the comment was a non sequitur could not be made. Be that as it may, many of the comments betray hostility and bigotry toward Christianity. More significantly, Emma rejects Christianity therefore Christianity is not [true or valid or worthy of belief] is fallacious. Also, picking and choosing the aspects of the faith that are personally agreeable is rather like inventing a new faith.

      • Kiddo says:

        First, my comment was a joke. Because Emma rejects Christianity, Christianity is not true for Emma. Or for anyone else who rejects it. She never uttered anything about about what other people should do. I don’t pick and choose, so I’m not sure why that comment was in response to mine. I’m also not sure that I expressed bigotry in my comments, but if I have, please point them out. That was never an intention of mine. Deciding against something for personal reasons doesn’t mean that you have indicted an entire group or that you think that they should subscribe to your beliefs. I have never said that people shouldn’t believe in any system or institution of their choice. But likewise, I do not want anyone to dictate a system that I should believe in.

    • Nina W says:

      Why should I not be hostile to a group that is hostile to me and to those I love? I am a fan of Jesus, I am not a fan of those who have corrupted his message for their own ends. You may believe as you choose and so do I. And I believe that organized religion is man-made and evil. And I believe Jesus would weep over the evil done in his name. I do not trust the motivations of man and never will and I therefore do not trust their institutions falsely cloaked in divinity. There are many good people of faith and I respect and celebrate them but I will never join any church. A spiritual journey is a personal one and does not require a temple to be completed, nor does it require a group who agrees with you.

  37. Karolina says:

    I am always amazed by the in depth religious (mostly Christian-centered) discussions we have here on CB, with people citing bible verses and the like. Considering who the target audience of CB is (I guess female and between 20-40 years old, and lots of educated women). Where I am from (little ole german speaking Europe) and when you visit german forums and celeb websites that have a similar audience, not in a million years would there be a discussion like that. It is not that there are no Christians, but most are like “eh, god, okay I believe in god and will have my wedding in the church and my kids will be christened”, but that’s about it. No one reads the bible or really thinks hard about it. Here, the only people who worry about stuff like this are old people, maybe. I would even go as far and claim that actually 80% of people beween 15-45 are atheists, even if they are on the paper Christians, but they have no thoughts about their religion and the bible whatsoever. Oh-but nevertheless, many people here also reject homosexuality, but they don’t use religion as excuse they are simply against it because they are ignorant.

  38. Sarah says:

    ugh i dont think you can take any religious text literally. i remember how angry people were when in the South Park movie Kenny goes to (christian) hell and there is Ghandi. but if you stick to the text he would be in hell because he is not a devout christian. they only poked fun at the idea that a man like Ghandi would go to hell if you take it literally.

  39. ….Another reason to love this woman. XO

  40. Jaded says:

    This has been one of the most enlightening posts I’ve read through on CB and confirms that each and every one of us is, for the most part, seeking more out of religion than pure rote and dogma. That we are actually using our own brains and hearts in a quest to become better human beings, doing good work without having to be God’s little foot soldiers and adhere to a code of useless admonishments from an outdated book of vague and poorly translated metaphors.

    As well as being in love with Emma, I’m also in love with Sally Field for the same reasons. Here she is giving one of the most heart-felt speeches I’ve ever heard when she was awarded the Human Rights Campaign’s Ally for Equality Award in Washington, D.C., I guarantee you will get all teary-eyed.

    http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/entertainment-news/2012/10/07/watch-sally-fields-amazing-hrc-speech-about-her-gay

  41. Guest says:

    As a Christian, I find that I have to mince my words VERY so that people don’t take offense. I think the stigma placed on Christianity is so skewered and negative because of the poor representation of a few extremist. It saddens me deeply when people judge the Christian faith so harshly, not because of their own personal experiences, but because of the actions of others. I apologize to any who have turned away because of the harsh treatment of “Christians” because I NEED you to know that those people claim to come in the name of Jesus, but are not truly OF Him. Christianity is more thanat people make it out to be and is a BEAUTIFUL thing. I urge you to understand Christ in order to understand Christianity. Don’t let the words and actions of humans give you a reason to defame the name of God. He loves us ALL! No matter you’re sexual prepreference

  42. Leila in wunderland says:

    My dad is a Christian (so is his mother and his wife) and he wanted me and my siblings to embrace his beliefs, but he no longer pushes the issue. My mom is an agnostic and has always wanted us to have religious freedom (that’s one of the things that caused conflict in their relationship). My grandma on my mom’s side isn’t particularly religious. Her parents were Muslim and some of her siblings still are.

    I’ve never been able to fully either believe or disbelieve in the existence of a god. But I do reject organized religion. That doesn’t mean that I don’t think anyone else should be allowed to be a part of any organized religion. I just reject it for myself, and part of my reason for rejecting it (besides not being able to fully believe in it) is because their are definitely some aspects of religion- whether it’s Christianity, Islam, or other religions- that I find controlling, unloving, and sexist. The stance on homosexuality is one of those issues. And I have read the Bible. There were certain scriptures that I read that filled me with outrage, suspicion, or disdain.

    So when Emma Thompson says that she rejects Christianity, I think she means a similar thing. She’s not against other people being Christians, she rejects it for herself.

  43. Norman says:

    Perhaps it is not surprising that she left Christianity since in our society the people with the most extreme messages are the ones that carry the megaphone. Since the 1970s there has been a decline of mainstream Christianity and the evangelical movement has taken root. People like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson and others in the making of the Christian-right have in our time with all the money they have made Christianity in America not about helping others and turning the other cheek but about a rejectionist view of the modern world as well as opposition to abortion, evolution. sex-ed, homosexuality, secularism, humanism, liberalism, birth-control and the support of “Christian-nation”, traditional gender roles, prayer at school, ten commandments in public places, wealth gospel, and modern social conservatism.

    Even in the face of a well moneyed, well versed and well organized religious-right there is another side to Christianity in America including the Episcopal Church in America, Congregationalists, United Church of Christ, Progressive National Baptist Church, Unitarians and other organizations like Nuns on the Bus, and Sojourners. I think these organizations are more in the art of social tolerance, inclusion and advancing social cause and justice.

    • Nina W says:

      I got to know a couple deacons from the United Church of Christ, ironically on a trip to the Holy Land, and they were such amazing people. I am not a fan of organized religion but I was truly impressed by and drawn to this group. I found it so refreshing to meet people of faith who were both liberal and enthusiastic about their church.

  44. Snappyfish says:

    At the heart of all world religions is the simple ‘rule’ of Do unto others. If that simple text was followed there could be peace. Instead the religious world is set on condemning those whose belief differs from theirs.

    Bigotry wrapped in prayer is still bigotry. Pretty simple

    • Kiddo says:

      But that doesn’t fly if you are a masochistical self-loathing, rage-filled being, who likes being tormented, who feels worthless, and who has little regard for life or liberty, including your own.

      How about respect for personal boundaries, and leaving everyone to their own standards unless they are harming others through direct actions or substantial political detrimental influence?

  45. JFS61 says:

    How edgy. She probably rejected Christianity long ago, but is using the gay angle to build up her Hollywood elitist street cred. She and Meryl Streep both need to go away.

  46. lady_luck says:

    I actually found her comment about Christianity to be very narrow minded. Some documents of Christianity have profound meaning whilst others have ‘open for interpretation’, but I think the over all message is one of love, goodwill and peace. Fair enough, she doesn’t have to agree with every word, but what does that mean exactly? That she chooses to reject “GOD” in the process? That she chooses to not believe in a higher power, or just that she chooses to reject Christianity as a religion?