Tom Hiddleston gets scruffy, butch for ‘Top Gear’: would you hit it?

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I still haven’t recovered from Benedict Cumberbatch’s dorktastic appearance on Top Gear last year. He was a mess! Remember the jorts?! Sorry for that. Just remember how good his arms looked. And his hair. That was back when Cumby’s curls were running free, bless them. Where was I? Oh, yes… barely recovered, and now I have to look at these photos of Tom Hiddleston with the Stig. Tom is going to appear on this weekend’s Top Gear, which I gather airs on Sunday night on BBC Two for all of you British Celebitches. I believe Tom has already taped his segment.

So, what are the thoughts on these photos? Um… I think Tom looks really HOT. This might be his most attractive look, for me. I like “Tommy on his day off” otherwise known as “Tommy didn’t have time to shave and he just threw on a hoodie.” It’s sexy. Plus, the look in his eye is… manly. Like, he’s not about to break out in a dorky dance. Tommy does have a perpetually boyish vibe, and usually you can see that in still photos too. But in these pics… he looks all grown up. He looks like he’s about to do something amazing with his hands.

But the real question: will Tommy’s interview be more or less dorky than Benedict Cumberbatch’s?

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Photos courtesy of Top Gear/Radio Times.

 

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  1. delphi says:

    Dang…Hiddles does look good here, doesn’t he?

    And one simply doesn’t stare down The Stig. Risky move, Tommy.

  2. Anna says:

    OH HELL YEAH. Rugged. Prince Harry vibe. I am ALL over this sh*t.

  3. Sixer says:

    Oh noooooooo. That’s not how I like him to look AT ALL. You’ve done this on purpose, Kaiser, haven’t you? I was just thinking of letting him get back on my train because he’s in a Ballard adaptation made by someone I like. And now you have to post pictures of him looking like someone’s next door neighbour. Gah. I need more hair (line AND length). I need clean shaven or beard.

  4. T.fanty says:

    I probably would, but can we please have a little respect for the jorts? They’ve earned it.

    • Sixer says:

      I-wish-that-we-could-have-one-comments-section-where-nobody-brings-up-Benny-and-that-the-post-itself-does-is-immaterial-I-just-want-to-direct-the-discussion.

      Oh, shoot me. I’ll never get to heaven. Suffocate me with the (used) jorts. Go on.

      (ETA: Joke. You knew that, right?)

      • T.fanty says:

        *pouts*
        Kaiser started it.

      • LadySlippers says:

        @Sixer:

        Ya know, no one has chatted about Thornfield in quite some time…. And there are quite a few new posters that haven’t been invited to a Thornfield soirée (those are SO much fun)…. Those wonderful parties are plum filled with cute boys, often from the British Isles. Just throwing out suggestions..

        (Note to Squirrel: Just because our garden is on the Thornfield grounds does NOT mean you can treat the inside as carelessly as you treat the outside. If Sixer, Anna, and Fanty throw a party, you absolutely cannot swing from the chandeliers like they are tree branches. This includes the drapes and any other furniture or decoration the house might have. AND the people. *scratches head pondering how else Squirrel might get into mischief*).

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        *frowning, packs turntable, disco ball and purple satin flared pantsuit away in suitcase. Pays clowns, jugglers and mimes to go away quietly and asks bartender to put the gallon-bottle of gin back in the garden shed*

        I know not what you mean LadyS. *bats eyes innocently* I always aim to attend these functions with the utmost dignity and grace that such soirees command.

        *mutters and goes back to working on Sherlock coloring-in book*

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        *Ack, just realizes this is the TH thread so puts Sherlock coloring-in book away and gets Loki coloring-in book out*

      • Shannon1972 says:

        Oh my god…you ladies just had me laughing so hard! Are you all professional writers?? (For the record, I’ve become convinced that QQ is a stand up comedian, so it wouldn’t surprise me).
        Anyhoo, I have no idea what Thornfield, or a Stig, is but you make it sound fun! Does everyone get a Sherlock, I mean Loki, coloring book there? Or do you all just bring your own?

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        Stig is the chap posing in the pics with Tom. He is a professional racing car driver who test drives the cars on Top Gear. Like Wilson from Home Improvement, you are never allowed to see his face!

        I’m happy to share my coloring-in books with you, but be warned you need a few black pencils for the Loki one! All that “space” background ,dark outfit and dark hair to color in!!

      • LadySlippers says:

        @Squirrel:

        You really should be studying your table manners book rather than wasting time colouring. Or even reading the etiquette one….

        *mildly judgemental*

        @Shannon:

        Thornfield is the home of Miss Eyre and Mr Rochester (FYI she’s a modern woman and never changed her name).

        Miss Eyre (being the hostess and all), Sixer, Fanty, Anna, Escaped Convent (EsCon), curlsunited, Eve, and quite of few other lovely posters used to throw the most hedonistic soirées I’ve ever experienced. They usually feature an odd assortment of stunning and sexy men, including the-two-that-shall-not-be-written -about-together and some very naughty hedgehogs.

        *wistfully*

        The alcohol fuelled parties would have made the great Dionysus proud. I weep a bit at the remembrance. Unfortunately, these parties did result in some property damage due the fact that Logic and Responsibility fled soon after the arrival of said mischievous hedgehogs (and mostly likely the oceans of alcohol never helped).

        My guess is the property damage is what caused Mr Rochester to insist Miss Eyre to cease and desist with the infamous soirées. Although I was hoping she would throw one soon. Being banished to the gardens is dreadfully dull, hence the virtuoso playground Squirrel and I have concocted. Not to mention our less than respectable antics to visitors.

        *replaces wistful look with a sheepish one*

        Windy has only recently joined us in the garden as Squirrel and I deal with our profound loss of Tulip as she is now working too much (it IS going to be Spring soon and tulips all around the world need her).

        *sadness*

        Writing? Do we write Squirrel?

        *carelessly tosses Squirrel’s colour sorted crayons on the floor*

        Nope. Only crayons. Where’s my oil pastels? Pencils? What about the Pens? Where are those charcoals we used during that long blizzard?

        *notices Squirrels irritation over the spilled crayons*

        Let me… fix this.

        *hastily picks up crayons and starts to sort them*

        Sorry Shannon, I can’t chat with you with Squirrel upset at me. Ta ta for now???

        *continues to pick up and sort crayons*

      • Janeite says:

        Hey, don’t leave me out, LadySlippers! Although I had a tendency to crawl under a rock in the back garden whenever the gossip starts to bother me. :}

      • LadySlippers says:

        Oh sorry Janeite! I didn’t realise you frequented our gardens (you must hide VERY well as we often get bored and turn over rocks just to amuse ourselves).

        *wrings leaves anxiously*

        But seriously, you should come out more often. We can play while the others gossip to their hearts’ content.

        *brightens at suggestion*

        Wait — are you sure it’s a rock and not that rabbit hole we avoid????

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        Hmmmph… I have been talking with some of the hedgehogs around Thornfield and I am reliably informed that I am considered to be a common garden pest. Pest I can understand, but COMMON?? ME??
        *fumes*
        The hedgehogs have promised to exact some revenge next soiree so be warned now.

        The garden always welcomes new visitors who like to take a break from the soirees inside Thornfield. Perhaps LadyS we need to think about putting in a bar and/or hot dog stand?? Of course should any british hunks stumble out of Thornfield into the garden, well there is this whole other section of the “playground” that we don’t talk about here. Janeite dear, be careful which rock you crawl under as one of them is the secret entrance to this playgr… Oh, I’ve said too much. Forget that and look at this shiny bauble I have for you!

        I don’t write, but I do periodically peek in QQ’s window and steal some of her material. Its her own fault for leaving it lying around where curious and trespassing squirrels can see it.

        I have tried carving some of my thoughts into the trunk of my tree though. Lots of SS hearts TH, SS hearts BC, SS hearts MS etc. Not my deepest thoughts I confess, but certainly frequent!

      • Janeite says:

        LadySlippers and Secret Squirrel, LOL!

        It’s most definitely a rock that I crawl under! Sometimes when the gossip here veers in a direction that makes me uncomfortable I just feel better taking refuge for a bit and content myself with thoughts of a Hiddleston-Cumberbatch tango.

        And I wondered who was doing all of that tree-carving!

      • LadySlippers says:

        Squirrel!!!! If everyone knew what we were up to underground — either we get stopped or trampled in excitement! Pulease remember trampling is a fear of mine!

        Hmmmmm… I thought we WERE putting in a bar? Or were you thinking barre since it sounds the same? I’m thinking the exercise portion of our…ummm…err… ‘gym’ is pretty extensive so we can forego the double r barre for the single r kind. I think we should have several single r bars with at least one healthy and another not so healthy. Need to have one for ‘work outs’ and another for ‘recovery & maintenance’. Make sense?

        And… Ummm… Serious question here — does having a single r bar mean we need to empty out all the alcohol filled water cans? Or empty all those fantastic hidey-holes in the garden? (Speaking of that I think we totally need to check the garden for extra visitors. I feel like we’re being. Watched. *looks around slowly*)

        And a hotdog stand? You sure about that? Neither of us eats meat… *frowns* What if no sexy boys stumble out of Thornfield? Including the-two-that-shall-not-be-written -about-together? Then *we’re* stuck with that food? (Assuming you can really call it that). Suggestions? Anyone?

        And since everyone’s tail seem to get all fluffy over the sexy British boys, especially the-two-that-shall-not-be-written-about-together, do WE have rules about that? I truly hope not. Because then someone might extrapolate that the-two-that-shall-not-be-written -about-together shouldn’t visit our garden together and that’s what our whole trap, I mean GARDEN was designed for. (Garden. I said GARDEN).

        Common pest? The hedgehogs are describing YOU as a common pest???And with all the damage they do to the house and grounds and they have the nerve to call YOU a pest? Or even, heaven forbid, COMMON.

        Oh, no need to fear Squirrel, we’ll just spike their drinks with something ‘tasty’ from the garden shed. Especially since they’ve also threatened to nibble on me. Damn bullies. *mutters*

        Revenge is best served cold and with a welcoming smile. Yes Squirrel? Wouldn’t you agree???
        ;-)

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      I’m not even sure Kaiser is aware Tom and that “other chap” are actually two different people…

      • Sixer says:

        Oh, mea maxima culpa. I’m sorry Squirrel, it’s just me being a cow and mocking the people who moan at any mention of the other on the one’s threads. I actually think people should say whatever they want, whenever they want, wherever they want.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I totally get you Sixer, and choose to poke fun at you when the opportunity arises! You seem like the kind of girl who can take it!

        I agree about these two gents weirdly linked together in internet-land for no apparent reason. I think it is just a learned habit now!

      • windy says:

        BUT…I LIKE it when both gents are mentioned! It saves me the time & hassle of having to read 2 separate threads/comments on my two fave British actors.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        @Windy – I do struggle to see the connection though. They did War Horse a few years ago now and nothing together since but still we don’t seem to be able to mention one without the other (even if googling TH images, there are BC pics in there too and vice versa, so it is an internet-wide epidemic!).

        I’m not complaining as I like both lads, but I imagine if you didn’t, it would get annoying very quickly.

    • Lindy79 says:

      I’m ashamed t say that I hope Benny’s time is faster than his…

      (only driving though)
      *cough*

      So anyway…he looks good but yeah, I like waistcoat and beardy Hiddles better. Or in his leather jacket. Looking forward to seeing this, I can see him getting completely excited in a cute way.

    • j.eyre says:

      Just think – what if we could get Tommy in jorts. I’ll get the German chocolate for bribery, you get your leash for further persuasion.

    • Green Girl says:

      I am steadfastly against The Jorts, but I will say his legs look AMAZING in those Top Gear pics.

  5. AG-UK says:

    He looks good and it’s a post about Tom not Mr Batch…:) hopefully he will beat his time

  6. Maria says:

    I like this look for him, A LOT.

    Hiddles could get it.

  7. SonjaMarmeladova says:

    Dear God, does he look good.
    But, can we please have one, just one Hiddleston post without Cumberbatch? They are both great, so is the constant comparing really necessary?

    • Kelly says:

      No.
      Why have only one when you can have both?
      The more the merrier!

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @kelly, because, for some reason, the posts make it a competition between them and one of them usually gets torn apart.

      • Kelly says:

        “the posts make it a competition between them” – only if you take it seriously

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I was supposed to be taking these threads seriously?? Oh crap…
        *slaps forehead* :D ;) :P

      • Sixer says:

        Serious, non-mocking remark:

        The authors here write what they’re thinking. They can if they want. The commenters here write what they’re thinking. They can if they want.

        If others don’t want, then they should shrug their shoulders and enjoy the site for what they *do* like about it or decamp to somewhere more to their tastes. And they could also remember that the authors here do try to oblige their visitors. Often, there are posts on both Tom and Ben that are extremely flimsy in terms of meeting the gossip monicker. And they’re posted because commenters have asked for them.

        I just think that people shouldn’t try to direct the conversations to suit them. And also try not to bite the hands that are kindly feeding them.

        I’m becoming a stuck record and a harpie, I know. I think I might go and um… occupy myself more productively. By which I mean, eat chocolate far, far away from my keyboard.

    • LadySlippers says:

      Most of the comparison is fun and games. I don’t touch anything nasty.

    • SonjaMarmeladova says:

      It ALWAYS ends up with the conclusion that Tom is lame and Ben is cool. I like both of them, but that is just annoying. To me.

      • jammypants says:

        It does doesn’t it? After a while though, it’s sort of exhausting debating these things, since they’re so subjective. IMO, both actors are wonderful and cute as hell. They both work hard and deserve success. The rest is up for personal bias/opinion/projection. People have made up their minds how they view these actors. They could be wrong. Or, they could be right. It’s all pretty subjective =)

      • Shannon1972 says:

        I like them both! Is it ok if we don’t use their real names and say nice things about both of them? I mean, I really, really love Hidd….ummm, Loki. He *always* looks good to me. I wouldn’t kick Be….I mean, Sherlock, out of bed. But he has to wear the hat!
        I’ve said it a few times, but as much as I love the Loki posts, and admire Kaiser’s writing, she can always simply post his picture on a day where there’s nothing to report, and I would be perfectly content. Actually, I think a Loki photo every day would be very enjoyable! Oh, and Sherlock too, of course. ;)

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I see it ending as BC is alien lizard and TH is needy with daddy issues. I disagree with both these synopsizes.

      • Janeite says:

        I do too, Squirrel. I enjoy looking at them and watching their work and interviews. I steer away from any conversation about them that delves too deeply into their personal lives or becomes too psychoanalytical or compares the two of them. I would not appreciate total strangers doing that to me so I won’t do it to them.

        To each his/her own of course, but all of that just makes me too uncomfortable.

      • Kelly says:

        Hahaa, lame daddy issues vs. cool lizard :D
        I like ‘em both equally, I don’t really care what anyone else thinks.
        Though, when Thor first came out I was the only loser who wanted to see it for the hunky Hemsworth and everyone rolled their eyes at me, then I came back obsessed with the weird bad guy, which made people side-eye me even more, hahaha, FOOLS, they all saw the light after the Avengers!

  8. LadyMTL says:

    His right eye in the second pic looks really funky…I want to give him some antibiotic drops, lol. I don’t find this particularly butch but he does look good, I suppose.

  9. Kelly says:

    “Plus, the look in his eye is… manly.” — AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
    Hiddles may be better at doing Sesame Street but judging from the photos Cumby’s better at this stuff.
    Although I still approve.

  10. feebee says:

    If he was about to do something amazing with his hands it might make me tune it. How long before the US airs the new episodes?

  11. Lark says:

    He looks hot as hell. God, I would love for him and Cumberbatch to hook up just to see the Tumblr meltdowns. It would be glorious. Plus, they’d be two hot gingers together.

  12. 'p'enny says:

    Loving the size of his shoulders, from a side-on look, well toned. I just want to squeeze them.
    His hair is defo too short at the moment, he has to grow it.

    Anybody else wonder when he filmed this? the track is an hour outside london, he must have got to the track at 6am or something ridiculously early, for practice and training etc. If then has to get back to the Donmar by 4.30 for make-up.

    Throwing, in a competitive bone here, [Radio Times already pitching the two] Cumby raced in summer sunshine and according to Top Gear rip-taking blog -took more practise laps then any other contestant and still didn’t do that well. ;-)

    Can’t believe I will be watching Top Gear, the programme I love to hate.

    I bet he is rubbish. He doesn’t drive LOL!

    • M.A.F. says:

      I believe this was filmed on Wednesday. Some are saying Thursday but I highly doubt that seeing how he does two shows on Thursday.

      As far as his time, yeah, I don’t picture him being a car guy so I don’t expect his time to be all that great let alone him talking about cars to be entertaining as well.

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      @’p'enny – He doesn’t drive?? That would explain why he was in a Jag ad but didn’t actually drive one!

      “Drive the Jag?… I don’t think so Mr. Hiddleston. Have a helicopter instead”

      • 'p'enny says:

        Secret Squirrel

        I was joking about the ‘not driving’ I should have put a wink after it. But, living in London and he makes a point of getting the tube everywhere, until the stalkers have just put pay to it.

        And the only car reference he has ever made was selling his beat-up car to his sister.

        He probably does has a car, but he doesn’t really talk about driving, which is why I am dying to see what car knowledge he has on the show. I think its going to be hilarious.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        He lived in Los Angeles. He drives.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I was joking too! I know he drives as he spoke of it in the German clip where he was being interviewed whilst being driven around drinking/juggling/singing. The car they picked was the same as his first car.

        It still possible he doesn’t drive much (when would he have the time!) so Jag still didn’t want him in that driver’s seat!!
        :)

      • 'p'enny says:

        @Secret Squirrel LOL! I forgot about that Driving in Cars interview – what a cute muppet he was in that.

        I liked how Tom Hooper [in the making of that advert] was impressed by Mark Strong’s driving and he can really handle the car. I totally agree, I don’t think Jaguar wanted Tom near that steering wheel, except in a pretend I am driving scene.

      • AG-UK says:

        I think he probably has a car and drives periodically, as traffic here is awful would make me have serious road rage.. I haven’t driven here in a year, small roads and roundabouts no thanks. Tube is quicker and he is probably semi central but I bet he has one for his trips to his mother’s place.

    • joe spider says:

      Will record it and watch the Tom bit as I can’t stand Clarkson.

    • icerose says:

      I think it was quite recent, His shoulders in Coriolanus are pretty impressive but it is the length of his arm span that really got me when I saw it last night. He has driven since Cambridge. He sold his car when he took of off to the USA in search of film fame. He is a pretty good athlete so his reaction should be goo but I cannot see him being all that interested in showing of his speed.

  13. Nene says:

    Hell No!
    Not my type at all.
    And what’s going on with his hairline? Looks weird.

    Tom looks like a younger Ralph Fiennes to me. And both are good actors.

  14. aquarius64 says:

    Hiddleston is getting borderline overexposed and famewhorey. Commercials, Sesame Street, bit parts in Muppet movies. This is what a no-talent reality/pop star does, not a guy with serious acting chops. Yes you need to be out there but space it a bit. It’s painful to see Cumberbatch and Cavil chatting up a Muppet. IT’S NOT NECESSARY FOR THESE GUYS. It’s getting to the point where people outside his fan base will be sick of seeing him.

    • M.A.F. says:

      I don’t see your point at all nor the valid argument that links him to no-talent/ reality stars. A lot of actors do commercials either in the States or aboard; Sesame Street seems to always get big name actors on it and one is not over-exposed by doing that. And as far as those outside of his fan base being sick of him, I don’t see that happening any time soon seeing how no one outside of his fan base knows who he is other than “The guy that plays Loki in those Marvel films.” He isn’t there yet.

      • icerose says:

        Coriolanus has given his profile a leg up in the UK, The live broadcasts have done extremely well
        http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/feb/05/wolf-wall-street-box-office-uk

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @icerose, the broadcasts are doing well here too. A group of us went Thursday night for the second sold-out showing at the local art theater. They put up signs that they had added a third showing next week, which they expect to sell out, and are hoping to schedule a fourth. A friend is on the theater’s very active “Friends of” committee and said that they have never had such a strong response to anything else.

      • M.A.F. says:

        @icerose-True the play has done well and he has gotten some good reviews but I would argue that even with that he is not being over-exposed. How big is a theater audience vs. a movie going audience? It might make him more open to other producers and might help him get roles through the play but still not pushing him on to a large audience.

        I’m seeing the play tomorrow during an encore showing and I hope it is as good as they say.

      • lunchcoma says:

        I agree with you, M.A.F. I don’t think receiving positive reviews for being in a play really counts toward overexposure. Only a limited number of people are interested in theater, and it doesn’t receive the kind of media exposure that movies or TV tends toward. The main culprit in overexposure is doing lots of public appearances – Tom was veering toward that with the Thor promotions, but that’s over now. Occasionally, someone will have so very many movies released in a short period of time that it will trigger overexposure as well, but that’s not a risk at all for Hiddleston.

    • 'p'enny says:

      don’t fret @aquarious64

      He will be in hiding soon – filming till at least August.

      He may come out for promo US OLLA release in April and if he gets an Olivier nomination for Coriolanus, he may be able to leave filming to turn up for an awards.

      We will be starved till next year, unless he get’s a play in autumn or fast turn around TV spot [Dr who, if tumblr-girls had a say] Moffat was Coriolanus last night, I am surprised thought he gone along a lot earlier.

    • jammypants says:

      ha, Cumberbatch shills too love. He’s done selfies, Reddit AMA, Sesame Street, opening of envelopes. Gosh I guess being an actor is hard work. So much shilling. More for fans to eat up.

      • aquarius64 says:

        Did I say Cumberbatch doesn’t do that? The point is the overexposure gets too much that people say away from their projects, especially if the critics consistently trash their work. The non-fans will see them as nothing but hype and not worth ponying up $10 (USD) for a movie ticket. (See Orlando Bloom.) Bankability = employability.

        Word to the wise to the new British Invasion – any whiff of scandal that puts a dent in the proper English gentlemen fantasy that some women have (and some Brit actors willingly feed) can hurt a career too. (See Hugh Grant in Streetwalker-gate; dis-honorable mention to Jude Law for Nanny-gate.) It took them a minute to recover somewhat.

      • jammypants says:

        Honestly, I wouldn’t worry about it Aquarius. I truly don’t think they’re overexposed at all, just in certain corners of the internet. If I see them exposed to the level of Jennifer Lawrence levels, then I’d feel overwhelmed with overexposure. Anytime I see either mentioned in film/geek blogs, it’s always people wanting to see them in rumored roles. That’s the kind of gossip they garner, which is great, imo.

        Neither men are married, so sex scandals on their part wouldn’t be so severe like Grant and Law. Those stories were such a mess, yeesh.

    • 'p'enny says:

      @ aquarius 64 British Invasion?

      The British Gentlemen stuff has a wide band from James Bond/1960′s Patrick Steed to Mr Darcy. It isn’t realistic. British men to most are more like Johnny Vegas than Mr Darcy, unfortunately :-( [actually i love J Vegas]

      I sincerely hope Cumby and Hiddles don’t f@ck up like Hugh Grant, but Hugh always came across a bit of dick from day one. And, he was tied into the Primrose Pervy-Set. Jude Law is coming off as a good guy compared to Daniel Craig, at the moment.

      However, Cumby and Hiddles have more acting ability – and most of the time common sense than most. [So far] Yet, pressure must get to them at some point. And neither don’t have a good woman to keep them calm.

      Orlando has never shown the acting chops of Britain’s acting elite – but he is a nice bloke really and i hope he holds in and finds his way.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        LOL
        Oh my goodness! Whilst I adore Johnny Vegas’ sense of humor, I would not class him in MY top 500 attractive British men! Colin Firth was stunning as Mr Darcy though. Would be nice to think there are some men floating around out there like that (e.g. I adore Hugh Jackman for the love and adoration he has for his wife and treats her like a lady all the time).

        I loved Carrie Mulligan in “An Education” and would be comfortable with her becoming Tom’s steady.

        Ben maybe could mend Rachel Weiz’s broken heart should the stuff being said about Daniel Craig prove true and she walks away.

        That said, I would actually recommend both gents have partners outside of the acting industry. Too many celeb marriages end badly when there are competing career aspirations.

      • Kelly says:

        A Hugh Grant! LOL! I’ve always loved him and still do. But I don’t think I’ve ever thought of him as anything else than a smart sexy effed up womanizer, maybe it came as a shock to some since he usually played the opposite in his films, but generally from interviews I think you could see it from the get-go, it was always really what you see is what you get.
        I was more surprised that he got caught with that hooker than that he went to one, I kept thinking, you silly bastard, cover your tracks better!
        I think he’s harmless though, he’s not the monogamous type and he’s got a biting wit, but that’s it.
        Jude Law on the other hand’s always given me the sleazy creep vibes. Daniel Craig too, although not as much.
        Colin Firth is amazing, my childhood crush <3

    • pru says:

      I beg to differ.
      Sesame Street, Reddit AMA’s, selfies on the red carpet – all done to promote projects on the behest of the TV show or movie studio there are working for. It’s as much a part of their job as doing an interview, or appearing on a talk show. An actors face sells the job and needs to be seen in public as much as possible to sell whatever that job is.

      • jammypants says:

        Well yes, I understand that completely. I just disagree with Aquarius about those activities bringing forth overexposure.

      • pru says:

        I get what you are saying and mostly agree. I don’t really think it’s fair to say shilling equals overexposure, when you are just doing your job. ;)
        I’m mostly disagreeing with aquarius on the fact they they are famewhoring, or doing something that is not necessary, because promoting is a requirement of the job.
        And who is seeing the Thor Asian promotional tour skits and stage dancing, or Sesame Street vids? The fan base, and not the average PBS viewer or movie goer.

      • jammypants says:

        hehe you misunderstand me. I was simply being sarcastic in my response upthread about shilling and famewhoring. Trust me I understand it’s part of the job. They’re the last two actors I would even come close to labeling as famewhores or overexposed. Not sure if you saw my response from above:

        Honestly, I wouldn’t worry about it Aquarius. I truly don’t think they’re overexposed at all, just in certain corners of the internet. If I see them exposed to the level of Jennifer Lawrence levels, then I’d feel overwhelmed with overexposure. Anytime I see either mentioned in film/geek blogs, it’s always people wanting to see them in rumored roles. That’s the kind of gossip they garner, which is great, imo.

    • Doolan says:

      @Secret Squirrel: ‘I loved Carrie Mulligan in “An Education” and would be comfortable with her becoming Tom’s steady.’

      Carey Mulligan is, very disappointingly, married to Marcus Mumford, the lead singer of beigest band in the world Mumford & Sons.

  15. Secret Squirrel says:

    Yes I would hit it… with a comfy pillow and duvet as he looks exhausted in these pics. I’d even stretch to making him a hot chocolate with those little marshmallows because he has been sick but soldiered on anyway. Awwwwwwwww…

    Bunny slippers too of course! And a smudge of Vicks Vapor rub for his chest, in case that cold is still lingering…
    ;)

    • Kelly says:

      “And a smudge of Vicks Vapor rub for his chest”
      This turned into medical erotica real fast…

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        What can I say… I’m a medically-inclined caring sort of person!

        And I never said I would apply said vapor rub or indeed watch him apply it to himself! You did that all by yourself Miss Kelly!!! :)

        Crap, now that is exactly what I am thinking about though…

      • Kelly says:

        Squirrel, the poor man is ill, you suggest you’d let him apply the vital health-saving chest-relaxing medicine all by himself, and alone?!?
        What kind of a human being would do that??
        Leave the fella ALONE, NAKED (alright semi-naked) with long-fingered hands stuck in the ointment jar, helplessly crying into the night “why for art thou wretched medicine thus difficult to apply!? by the gods!!”
        I am appalled.
        He obvs needs to come to my house for some proper taking care of.

      • windy says:

        Don’t forget to bring out the velvet Squirrel….and also, please offer to wash his beloved black sweater that he keeps wearing to Coriolanus.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        Oh yes Windy, he needs a velvet pillow case for his sweet fevered head.

        The black sweater only has a few more wears to go before Coriolanus finishes up, so I think I’ll just stick with the Febreeze for now and keep… I mean wash the sweater next week.

        @Kelly – long fingers stuck in sticky jars and crying into the night… Damn. Damn you to hell. Now I won’t be able to sleep for worrying about this. I try and do the right thing but mess up one little thing and now our poor boy has to suffer for it. I am a terrible person…

        Oooh, cookies! I feel better again!

    • ncboudicca says:

      He does look pretty tired but I’m into the helmet-head hair. I would invite him to my house for a nap and a shower (but not a shave).

      then maybe another shower.

    • windy says:

      @ncboudicca: shower? only a shower or two?

    • icerose says:

      Lots of actors do Sesame Street Tom just did it better than most and got more coverage,

      Lots of actors adverts and some a lot more tacky than the Jag advert.. Benedict had already dome a jaq advert which was why he was not approached for this one.

      In the UK a lot of actors do Top Gear apart from John Barrowman who appeared on the other programme after saying something in an interview abot Clakeson being homophobic.

      He has to new films coming up with well respected directors and is playing the lead in the High Rise.

      He has been on a roll recently with Marvel publicity appearances etc but compared to some actors in the UK he does not get that much exposure.

      Ido think Coriolanus has helped with recognition outside the fandom in the UK because he has excellent reviews in most of the bigger papers plus there have been quite a few article around film stars doing Shakespeare in the theatre and he has featured in most of them. I certainly raises his artistic credibility.

    • icerose says:

      I saw him last night in Coriolanus an although his performance was still very visceral and energetic you can tell that his voice has not complexly recovered.

    • Lilacflowers says:

      @SecretSquirrel, ah, but for the vapor rub to really work well, it needs to be applied to the back as well as the chest. He will need help for that, which I will gladly offer.

    • Penny says:

      I love that he carried on everyday with this play while sick. Most men turn into such babies. Not Tom.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I heard pretty much the whole cast was sick, so it would have been obvious if everyone else turned up to push through except him! I think he knows a lot of the ticket sales are because of him and he wouldn’t want to let his colleagues or the audience down.

        BTW, we don’t want to have him get well too quickly! There is a line forming to take care of him *waves @Lilacflowers* and there would be anarchy if he skipped out the door vapor-rubbed back to health overnight!!

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Secret Squirrel, but we need him to get well to continue running up and down the stairs of my house. My secret husband Chris has been busily shoveling snow and chopping ice the last few days so you can sit in the garden comfortably while you watch.

      • lunchcoma says:

        It doesn’t surprise me a bit that a whole theater cast got sick, especially in winter. They’re keeping odd hours and around each other constantly. My work does that during big deals sometimes, and we all catch the same cold that someone’s child got at preschool, and we all push through it too.

        That being said, I’m just going to throw it out there that I make an absolutely lovely chicken noodle soup, and that if Tom wants to recover at my house, he’s more than welcome to recuperate here.

      • icerose says:

        Secret Squirrel yes they were all ill at one point but a part from Tom they seem to have recovered. It is a very physical performance with lots of angry verbalisation and I think it has probably hampered the healing process. Still the probably gets the best of medical attention. I suspect Emma Freud is joining you in the queue for nursing ministrations if her tweets are anything to go by.
        My companion at the show on Thursday was in Pret A Mange when the whole cast minus twhiddleston came in for a snack. So not only is the poor man ill but his pre show preparation means he eats his lunch in solitary confinement. We know he is already feels he spends to much time on his own so the lovely ladies here might want to add some additional items to your general “care of twhiddleston package”. May I suggest a little kinky entertainment along side the vapour rub.

  16. Snowflake says:

    I have seen him live in “Coriolanus” here in London last week and I need to say that he is one of the strongest performers I have seen in theaters here for a very long time. His eyes: wow! The way he moves: even more wow. I think he doesn’t come across well in these pictures but he, for sure, has a new fan.

  17. Samigirl says:

    I actually sigh every time I see him. Like I’ve got a middle school crush. He is so great looking.

  18. browniecakes says:

    Mornin’ Tom. Reminds me of the selfie he took at the Toronto Film festival.
    Let’s hear it for our boyfriend – he got a STARRING roll in a film – High-Rise! Wonder who will play Charlotte.

  19. grabbyhands says:

    Would I hit it? Over and over again.

    I didn’t get the Hiddles hysteria for the longest time, but damn if I haven’t been sucked in recently. The ginger men of this world have opened my eyes.

    And while I don’t love jorts, I loved The Batch’s appearance on Top Gear-it was nice to see him all tousled and relaxed and goofy. I’m not as big as a fan of the slicked back red carpet look.

  20. betsy says:

    I doubt Cumberbatch will be as fast as he mainly rides motorbikes.

    Hiddleston’s hairline is receding fast.

    I fully expect Hiddleston to have taken some lessons to make sure he;s fast at this. Come on now you just KNOW he’ll see this as a big pr opportunity

  21. Hello Kitty says:

    Looking forward to Hiddles driving!

    I’ve got tix to the Coriolanus re-broadcast in two weeks. So excited.

  22. GeeMoney says:

    Looking forward to seeing him on the show… and yeah… I’d throw him some.

  23. LondonGal says:

    I saw ‘Coriolanus’. Anyone want the skinny?

    • Hello Kitty says:

      As someone that loves Hiddles but is bored by Shakespearean drama, will I enjoy the play?

    • 'p'enny says:

      @ londongal are you actually on about the play or the gossip? this is no place for that twitter rubbish that went around last Saturday night. :-p

      • LondonGal says:

        P’enny, twittor rubbish? DO tell! Hello Kitty, it’s such a great Shakespeare production, it’s a really tough play to pitch with dynamics IMO and the Director, lighting designer and set designer also did sterling work. Ensemble cast fantatsic, but it’s Hiddles that shines here, although Mark Gatiss is also excellent, Hiddles is fucking fantastic. Really. Not because he’s tall and handsome, but his performance is so nuanced, so rounded and his voice work ( and he clearly had a cold) was *so* skilled. Best thing I have seen in a long time. Fan or no of the Hiddles, go! :-}

      • 'p'enny says:

        @Londongal

        i just don’t this is the right place for it, its best to go to Twitter/tumblr and search Tom H for posts around Saturday. Someone took a picky with Tom and tagged it ‘supposedly wrongly’ on Instagram or something like that. And then a Tom twitter/tumblr fan did a Sherlock to prove it can’t possible be right tag. it was very funny attempt to keep Tom’s halo in place.

        :-D this kind of gossip is for Datalounge i think this place is abit more light hearted here.

      • LadySlippers says:

        Oh ‘p’enny — this is certainly not the first we CBs have heard in regards to a play someone’s like TH has been in. Sixer (as have others) have been kind enough to share their thoughts and opinions on this very same play. Most of us gobble it up but know we might have a different opinion if we saw it ourselves.

        Sharing is good! :-)

        ETA: I just reread your post. Lol. Sorry misunderstood! But we still get anything from good discussions to trash. Lol. Links are always good too.

      • 'p'enny says:

        @Ladyslippers

        I’m at work -oops – i can’t go on Tumblr or twitter, this site is my work cheeky delight when i am bored. It’s easy to find on twitter/tumblr

        Basically, Tom was ‘rumoured’ to be visiting a infamous SOHO nightclub Saturday night, the one Prince Harry and other young royals, models etc., visit and get papped falling out of the door drunk. Even Benny C got papped there last year.The kind where you go not to ‘respect women’ :-O

        I think he was doing research for his new kinky roles :-p

      • Miss Melissa says:

        What twitter rubbish? Seriously, if you’re teasing it here, you may as well post links.

      • jammypants says:

        I know what you’re talking about. Helena Bonham Carter was also in the pic, lol

        http://instagram.com/p/j9owyqr_cg/

      • Lindy79 says:

        Cirque Le Soir?
        If it’s that one, it’s hardly a seedy strip club (although I think it does have burlesque/performers etc). I wouldnt mind a trip there if I was in London!

      • kaisei says:

        Helena went to freedombarsoho, the dj tweeted about her being there, so no it’s not true that Tom went to The Box. There’s also a a fan om tumblr that pointed out how it’s not true.

      • Lindy79 says:

        I don’t get what the big deal is? He’s a single guy and he went to a club?

      • kaisei says:

        I’m not passing judgment, just telling you how things went, but it seems The Box doesn’t have a great reputation and somebody who tries to pass for the perfect prince/boyfriend going there…..

      • Lindy79 says:

        Sorry kaisei , my comment wasn’t aimed at you! :)
        I thought they were talking about Cirque (because of the BC reference) so didn’t see what the big deal was. Not sure what The Box is

      • lunchcoma says:

        I’m assuming that The Box in London is more or less the same thing as The Box in New York? Extremely exclusive place with racier than usual burlesques shows? If that’s the case, I’m not particularly scandalized. That’s the kind of place people go to be seen at and say they went more than anything else – someone who’s mostly in it for the leering value could easily find that kind of entertainment in a cheaper, more private venue.

        (I continue to be amused at a certain segment of fandom painting a guy who pretty obviously spent much of his early 20s in nightclubs as some sort of innocent.)

      • Penny says:

        Eh, I heard about him being at that club. Kinda funny actually and he does strike me as someone who has a kinky side.

      • Make mine a double says:

        @Penny – there was the infamous banana incident. Perv :p

      • Hiddles forever says:

        @lunchcoma exactly. My hubby is British and they are quite well-mannered and gentleman-like if they got a good education. That doesn’t mean they are “innocent”… Pfft Tom is 32 and no steady girlfriend, I’d bet he’s partying all time when he doesn’t work. Fair enough, non?

        Kinky Tom :)

      • kaisei says:

        Who said he doesn’t party?
        Just that he didn’t go to that particular place, but he was elsewhere, partying.

      • Hiddles forever says:

        @kaisei

        Honestly.. does that mean something in particular? I mean, I’m pretty sure he’s quite active on the London partying scene anyway… So the fact he was there on Saturday, Sunday or any other day is not relevant. Just my two cents, of course.

      • kaisei says:

        Depends what’s your interest.
        If you are merely asking where did he actually go a week ago, he went to Freedombar where HBC was also present.
        If you are asking why people felt the need to know whether or not he went to The Box, from what I understood, The Box doesn’t have a great reputation, filthy is the word I read associated to it, which clashes with Tom standing up for women and all that.
        If you are asking about partying in general, I guess he goes if friends invite him or if it’s a party from some production companies or the other.
        But I imagine that English paps would take pics of him if he were a regular clubbing guy, his fans surely would. For example, paps got him out of Chinawhite Nightclub for the Thor2 wrap up party and fans took pics when he was in a club in Iceland while shooting Thor2.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        What banana incident? No wait, I don’t think I want to know!

        At what age does it become not cool to be out clubbing? Surely Tom must be getting up there ?? (and it is officially 9th Feb in Oz, so Happy Birthday TWH!!).

      • Sunflower says:

        Datalounge has kind of had it with the Hiddles posts. Every time someone starts one up or posts on a old one someone blows up at what they perceive as a fan girl invasion of their space.

      • Janeite says:

        Good for Datalounge! Unfortunately, it now seems that some of the invasion may have made it’s way over here.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        Perfect prince/boyfriend? He has not exactly presented himself as the British Tim Tebow. He’s been pretty up front about having a “misspent youth” and being a London club kid. So, a single, healthy, heterosexual male went to a club? This is scandalous, how? It would be one thing if he made a habit of hookers or escorts or was a regular at sleazy strip clubs but that doesn’t appear to be the case, does it? As for whether or not someone visited a burlesque club at some point, people do have things called “bachelor parties” that friends are expected to attend at such places. And who among us has not seen “Magic Mike?”

      • Hiddles forever says:

        @Kaisei
        “Depends what’s your interest.”
        Well my interest in Tom is purely acting-wise. Whatever he does out of a stage, his business. You know, hubby would complain if I was to stalk Hiddles in clubs lol

        “If you are asking why people felt the need to know whether or not he went to The Box, from what I understood, The Box doesn’t have a great reputation, filthy is the word I read associated to it, which clashes with Tom standing up for women and all that.”

        I hope you’re not making confusion between women’s rights and Tom’s partying ways. He is doing what anyone as successful and rich as him does. Partying with models and the VIP crowd everywhere…. That has nothing to do with him defending women’s rights (and even there we could start a debate about how much he believes in that and how much it is from his PR team).

      • Kelly says:

        The only thing shocking about these nightclubs are their prices! Dear Lord!

        Squirrel, what do you mean there’s an age where it’s not cool to go out clubbing?? BS. Club all your life if you like! :D (admittedly I hardly see 60 yr olds out and about in da clubz, so I guess 60 is your age limit :P )

      • Penny says:

        LOL–the Banana incident. He posted about it on MySpace years ago and someone screencapped it. I find that funny. I never bought into this image that Tom is all sweet and innocent. He definitely seems to have a wild side.

        The datalounge hates Tom Hiddleston posts there since they assume they are all posted by women, which mostly are, I think. I can understand why they can get annoyed since most of the discussions veered into Jane Arthy and is or she not his girlfriend, and dissing her which I found tiresome. I could care less about JA or who he is dating.

        BTW, I can never look at bananas again the same without giggling and thinking of Tom Hiddleston.

      • Make mine a double says:

        @Penny. Yes, bananas. There was a photo shoot he did when they got him holding one. Wonder if anyone knew and that’s why they got him holding/peeling one.

        And you’re never too old to go clubbing. My friend’s mum was clubbing with us when she was in her 80s. Was there with her glow sticks, throwing shapes and knocking back the port and lemons. That’s how I want to grow old. :D

      • kaisei says:

        Hiddles forever, I wasn’t expressing a personal opinion, as I wrote it’s something I read :)
        I know nothing about that particular club, but it’s a fact that some clubs employ sex slaves and have an attitude towards women that isn’t exactly in line with somebody fighting for woman condition in Central Africa countries. So I imagine that some fans when they read it’s a filthy place were afraid it was one of those clubs. Quite possibly it’s just a very exclusive/expensive club, no idea.

    • 'p'enny says:

      i did say it was twitter rubbish ‘lmao’ wish it was true though. i love to see him get ‘papped’ properly ‘evil’

  24. Abbicci says:

    I would hit that so hard teeth would be knocked loose.

    Bearded Hiddles is the best Hiddles.

  25. MeowuiRose says:

    He looks so much like Michael Fassbender in these pics but not in a good way. More in a I’ve just slept with the chick who slept with the guy who banged that one (or two) chick in a port-a-potty.

  26. poppyseed says:

    I like this look a lot because I’ve determined it’s Hiddles’ morning sex look. Bedhead, soft look about the eyes, morning scruff. Yep.

  27. Elise says:

    Aw, his hairline’s receding :-(

  28. Simmie says:

    There is NEVER a time I would not jump on the Hiddles train and ride it all night. And in these photos I’m even more attracted to him than usual. The scruff always gets my pulse going and damn it that track top works on him.

  29. Amsterdamned says:

    God dear just stop thinking about your poses…And it will all end well.

  30. Eira says:

    Nice! I’m not a huge fan of cars, I don’t even have a driver’s licence ….. but I’d like to be driven anywhere from Mr. Hiddles ….. especially if there’s a damp and dark road ahead of us :) he look HOT in these pics :)

  31. InvaderTak says:

    Dude biotin. Just saying.

    Love him to death though!

  32. Janeite says:

    I think he looks lovely in those pics. And I really, really, really don’t care about his hairline. Or the inane Twitter or Tumblr gossip for that matter. That is all.

  33. joe spider says:

    Lots of comments about that sweater.

    I have a feeling that Tom might not be too bothered about clothes shopping so goes out and buys:

    6 close fitting white shirts
    6 close fitting blue shirts
    6 new suits – 1 fitting for the purchase of
    6 pairs shiny black shoes
    6 black collared sweaters……..

    • lunchcoma says:

      You forgot 6 paper thin v neck t-shirts.

      As much as I like the Febreeze jokes, I’d guess he does have more than one black sweater. If he’s wearing it every night, it’s probably because he doesn’t want to be photographed. That’s a pretty common trick to make paparazzi pictures valuable.

  34. Maria says:

    I’ve got no problem whatsoever with Hiddleston or Cumberbatch flying their dorktastic geek flags. It makes them human and relate-able.

  35. icerose says:

    jammypants I am a bit confused that picture was taken outside the Donmar after she was at Coriolanus,???I think they went on to a party after wards.

    • jammypants says:

      I’m not really sure honestly. I say good for them if they’re having a good time.

    • belle says:

      Here’s what happened. There were two pictures taken on that night: one of Tom with Helena Bonham Carter outside the Donmar, and then another that a girl who met Tom later in the evening posted on Instagram. The confusion happened because the girl had been at a “naughty” club called The Box and was posting pictures there as well, and she was tagging all her pictures from the evening #london #the box (even when she wasn’t there anymore), so people assumed that’s where she met Tom. However, in the background of the photo with Tom you can see that the building across the street from where they’re standing is the building across from the Freedom Bar, which is where HBC was confirmed to be that evening after Coriolanus, and HBC and Tom were obviously hanging out or going to the same party or whatever.

      Long story short, Tom was not at The Box, he was at Freedom Bar Soho with Helena Bonham Carter.

      That’s it. I can’t take credit for the deductive work though, that was all done by a girl called “notsomolly” on tumblr. :)

      • Janeite says:

        Tom Hiddleston is a grown man and I fail to see how what night spot he frequents is that big of an issue for anyone. Or anyone’s business for that matter. The only thing truly creepy about all of this is the fact that anyone cares enough about it to do the equivalent of surveillance work on him.

      • belle says:

        I just assumed the girl who made the post on tumblr knew London and happened to recognize the street where the picture was taken, and since there were a few people asking about the pictures here and I had already heard the whole story, I figured I may as well clear up the confusion and put speculation to rest. :)

        He’s a celebrity, and people are always going to be curious, but I don’t really think that where Tom Hiddleston goes in his free time is an issue for anyone, or at least not for the majority of his fans. The very few posts I saw where people were discussing it were more just amused reactions to the possibility that he was at a kinky burlesque club, since that’s so far removed from his current PR image. There hasn’t been a big blowup about it or anything… really the only crazy Hiddleston fandom reactions I’ve seen in the last several months have been from some of the commenters on that one article about the completely fake ELLE engagement and pregnancy announcement that never happened.

      • kaisei says:

        Thank you belle, I was hoping somebody would write a recap.

        Janeite, it’s not about his night life per se, from what I understood (from what I read) it’s about The Box reputation clashing with the “respectful of women” reputation Tom gives of himself.
        More in general, it’s not creepy to want to know if the person you respect is actually somebody worth your respect or not. Clarifying things isn’t bad. It’s been done here as well.

      • Janeite says:

        I beg to differ, kaisei. I think what a grown man chooses to do for entertainment is his own business, not that of fans who do not even know him. It all goes back to that perfect Disney prince image that people created about him. HE didn’t create that; the fans on Tumblr did. If they hear anything that might potentially shatter that, they go nuts. I find that all kinds of creepy.

      • Froop says:

        @Janeite

        Nope Tom definitely played a part in his Golden Unicorn Prince schtick. I don’t think it entirely came from Tumblr, Luke played a part in it too. In fact it was probably 75% Luke, 25% Tom.

      • Janeite says:

        Froop,
        How exactly? What did either one of them say or do that persuaded fans into thinking that Tom Hiddleston is the Perfect Gentleman Disney Prince of the Universe?

      • kaisei says:

        Yes, Janeite, I get what you mean and I agree, but I was more referring to the fact that if somebody says something about him that is not true, because there is evidence that it is not true, pointing it out it’s actually to everybody’s benefit.

      • Janeite says:

        Hey kaisei, I understand what you mean. I guess what I am more weirded out by is the fact that there is so much “surveillance” on this man and his personal life to begin with. And I know it’s not just him; it happens to plenty of other actors and celebs as well. And before someone tells me that it comes with the territory, that still doesn’t make it okay; at least not in my opinion.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I agree with you Janeite. I think the fans latched onto that posh voice and manners during interviews and filled in the gaps themselves. However Tom and Luke have certainly built on it (which is neither a good or bad thing, it just…is).

        There are worse things to be known as and I do think Tom was raised with manners and does actually know how to behave as a gentleman so he sells it very well. I’m sure there are those out there who know differently, but I am glad they stay quiet rather than try to slander his reputation for the fun of it.

        Most celebs are grumpy at being papped, grumpy at being approached by fans, grumpy at being recognized even though it comes with the territory (if you don’t want the fame, why become an actor/actress???). Tom is refreshing in that he still gives a lot of his time to his fans and at least appears happy to pose with them/sign autographs. It will wear him down eventually and we will no doubt soon see frowning Tom whenever he steps out his front door. I’m enjoying smiling Tom whilst it lasts…

        Fingers crossed his darker work will lead some of the fans to lose interest and move on. However bringing Loki back to the big screen (for Thor 3 AND Avengers 3 from what I hear) is just going to reignite that whole Loki-love debacle.

      • Hiddles forever says:

        @Janeite

        “The only thing truly creepy about all of this is the fact that anyone cares enough about it to do the equivalent of surveillance work on him”

        Post of the day, week and month!

        “And I know it’s not just him; it happens to plenty of other actors and celebs as well. And before someone tells me that it comes with the territory, that still doesn’t make it okay; at least not in my opinion.”

        I don’t want to mention the Twihard madness concerning Patterson… but years ago I read that two Gerard Butler female fans had slapped and beaten up each other because he had spoken to one and not the other. I hope we’re not getting to this with Tom too. It is just pitiful, really.

      • Froop says:

        While I think Tom probably didn’t start off the Perfect Prince thing he and Luke certainly let it run over and they both work to help perpetuate this whole ridiculous myth and his entire PR game has since revolved around it as much as possible since the seeds were sown.

      • Janeite says:

        He’s a nice guy to his fans and in interviews. That is all. The rest of the whole Perfect Gentleman Disney Prince of the Universe was entirely a creation of some of his fans. He has never presented himself as perfect. Ever. And what those fans have done is put him on pedestal so high that now even normal human male behavior is somehow a disappointment to them and they will do surveillance on him online and in the real world looking for evidence that he’s a liar because he is less than perfect. Or they will look for evidence to support their perfect prince illusion. Either way, I think it’s twisted and wrong.

        All he owes anyone is the best performance he can give to his audience. That is it. Beyond that, his life is his own. Putting any human being on a pedestal only sets the stage for severe disappointment later. If we don’t do it to people we actually know, how does it make any sense to do it with a total stranger? No one should invest so much of themselves in a person they do not know that they are actually upset when that person shows that they are actually a real, live, fallible human being.

        It’s not as if we are talking about him having broken any laws or had a Mel Gibson-style drunken rant full of racist, ethnic, and misogynistic slurs. We are talking about a man who likes to go out at night and may or may not have a girlfriend. That is all.

      • Kelly says:

        What I find the most fascinating is that he became famous playing LOKI. Loki, for gods sake, the dark, twisted, psychotic debauched madman. And people get horrified at the idea he might be into kinky sex?? LMAO
        I seriously would effing love to see some hardcore action with leather, chains and the whole god of mischief nine yards.

      • Froop says:

        I agree with this, but I still think that he’s very careful about how his image is projected and there’s some PR shenanigans goings on. It’s not all fans, although a lot of it is.

      • Hiddles forever says:

        Well said Janeite!

        I don’t understand why some people invest so much of their time in a celebrity ‘s private life. It is ok to gossip about facts or silly news, but to get to the point you’re annoyed that an actor has been seen in a place with a bad reputation…
        Oh my God, who cares. Tom never came across as a prince charming of any kind, to be honest he seems quite on the naughty/dark side (and this is also the reason why I find him more interesting than a Chris Hemsworth, to be honest).

        Even his movie characters are not that “nice”, so I can’t understand why some of his fans associate him with a Disney Prince…..
        And yes I agree that it doesn’t come with fame, not all actors/actresses have to stand this kind of ‘pressure’.

      • Hiddles forever says:

        @froop

        I think all actors are quite careful about their images these days. This is due to the mass online invasion of facebook, twitter, tumblr and so on. News and images can get around the world in one split second.
        I don’t think that Tom would be eager to pull a Colin Farrell’s stunt in this day and age (and Farrell had his payback anyway before his career could slightly restart after “In Bruges”).
        Just my two cents.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @froop, most adults, the sane and sober ones anyway, are concerned about how their image is projected. PR shenanigans? So, promoting television programs and films and plays whose contracts require that you promote them and doing so with courtesy and politeness constitutes “shenanigans?” He isn’t a prince. He hasn’t pretended to be a prince. And princes historically don’t tend to be perfect.

      • Froop says:

        @Lilacflowers
        He’s done a lot more press than he’s contractually obligated to do. Come on now. Look at the fashion shoots, interviews and appearances he did last year when there was no work on the horizon. And when he has no projects to sell, what does he sell instead? Himself.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Froop, that is what actors do. No work on the horizon last year? Other than a film showing at Cannes and opening in the US this year, a British television project that made its US debut on PBS in September – and PBS requires promotion, a Marvel film, which opened in the fall, and a Shakespeare project that opened in December. Sure, no work at all.

      • Janeite says:

        Froop,
        Why is that such a problem for you? What actor/celeb DOESN’T do that? They all need to keep themselves in the public eye; it’s part of their job. The fact that he is able to get so many fashion shoots and interviews when he doesn’t have a project to promote only says to me that his PR people are doing a good job and earning their money. I fail to see how that constitutes any kind of PR shenanigan to turn him into a Perfect Prince.

      • Froop says:

        I feel like you’re trying to pick up on anger that really isn’t there. We’re coming at this from different angles and we’re just not going to agree.
        I don’t give a shit about him going to burlesque clubs in his spare time, my comments weren’t about any of that, but I stand by what I said, which was simply that a lot of his image was built up by his PR team. As you said, that’s their job.
        This is what I take from it, and you apparently don’t. We all see different things.

        As for people being overly invested, we’re all as guilty as each other by posting on here.

      • Janeite says:

        Froop,
        Of course his PR team is there to build up his image. That is their job. Doing so hardly constitutes any kind of PR “shenanigan”, which is exactly the word you used.

        The mere act of posting here is hardly evidence of being emotionally overinvested in someone, Froop. If you want to see that, I’d advise you to look to Tumblr or perhaps even to the thread here on CB that went to over 300 posts about Hiddleston’s possible girlfriend/engagement/baby.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Froop. Image presented: acts for a living; likes doing Shakespeare; is contracted to play a villain in a comic book franchise; sings badly but enthusiastically; spent his 20s wildly dancing on the London club scene; well-educated; and wears clothes well. That’s the extent of what was presented through PR over the last six months. That describes a whole bunch of people and doesn’t fit into any particular type.

      • Miss Melissa says:

        I find it hilarious that the individuals doing the majority of the finger-wagging, scolding and shaming still manage to post on EVERY SINGLE Tom Hiddleston thread lately.

        Repeatedly.

      • Janeite says:

        People argue/debate/discuss all the time on CB, Miss Melissa. I’m not sure how exactly you’ve arrived at the determination that that is finger-wagging, scolding, and shaming.

        The same people also tend to post on threads for actors/actresses/celebs that they like as well. I’m not sure exactly what point you are trying to make.

      • jammypants says:

        @Froop, nothing wrong with him selling himself in the form of fashion spreads, etc. The man is networking and promoting himself, AND auditioning nonstop. That can lead to possible future work. He knows what he is doing. Sorry but even as a developer I network and promote myself. His profession requires even more exposure. Sheesh. At this point, I think people are looking to be offended because there really isn’t any real scandal about the guy lol! How dare he be so…normal! There has to be something! =p

      • Janeite says:

        ZsaZsa, please don’t say things like that. If you don’t like a particular part of this thread, just skim past it. I do that all the time.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        @MissMelissa – Given I am a frequent and “repeat” poster on this site (TH and BC threads mainly), I choose to presume your comment is either at or includes me. Although I don’t need to defend myself or any other frequent posters, I choose to.

        1. I am female and am capable of holding several conversations at once. Most people like seeing others reading and commenting on their posts.
        2. I am often naughty
        3. I am often silly
        4. I am often serious and insightful
        5. I can have conflicting opinions on the same subject.
        6. I am never malicious towards said celebrity (well, I let loose on a couple of Justin Bieber/Kayne threads) or other posters and welcome opinions different to my own.
        7. I consider certain other posters “friends” and happily hold ongoing conversations/jokes with them that others can join in if they are interested. The more the merrier.

      • Miss Melissa says:

        @Secret Squirrel
        Actually, I was specifically commenting on the recent trend of policing posters by other posters on the Hiddleston threads. Over and over.

        What gossip is OK, what is not OK, who is obsessed about him and his personal life, who is not, who belongs on this site, who does not, etc. Specifically, the repeated scolding for “projection” and “inappropriate speculation” about him and his personal life.

        In other words, some individuals seem to think others post too much and are obsessed, and then post repeatedly themselves on threads about him. But I guess it’s OK, so long as we are discussing his acting abilities…

        …On a thread entitled…”would you hit it?”

        I mean, seriously, enough. No one has the right to tell anyone else to leave and go to datalounge or tumblr.

        Hypocrisy off the charts. And I think THAT is inappropriate for what was previously a fun and civil place. If you don’t like another post, just move along.

      • Janeite says:

        Squirrel, you just keep doing what you do! Don’t let anyone else’s comments bother you! I always find it amusing when someone tries to scold others and winds up doing the very thing they are accusing others of doing. I can’t imagine that anyone here could every possibly take issue with anything you say! :)

      • jammypants says:

        I disagree with the “move along” sentiment. If anyone feels they have something of value to add (whether to agree or challenge another opinion), they have every right to. Why should they be silenced? Mind you I see some posts that don’t interest me at all and I skip past them. But, if they interest me, but I feel differently to the OP, I’ll offer my opinion.

        Please elaborate on the “policing”? I truly don’t see it. I do, however, see opposing opinions. Everyone who posts in TH threads have some sort of interest in him. With all due respect, it just sounds like you do not like certain people’s opinion, Miss Melissa. That’s completely ok. To me, it can go the other way too. In this case, you don’t seem to like having other users share their opinions too. That’s not exactly fair is it?

        And where are people getting the idea users are telling them to go to DL or Tumblr? Either I’m skimming too much or it’s non-existent.

    • 'p'enny says:

      @Hiddles forever and others who say “Tom never came across as a prince charming of any kind, to be honest he seems quite on the naughty/dark side”

      Have you just read the Elle interview? seriously, god bless his cotton socks but he went out full on- Prince Charming., i am perfect boyfriend materials He might as well written an e-Harmony ad.

      i love this man -seriously i do. But he need’s to be a bit more wary of what he is saying. I do think he is one of those really nice guys, but he is 33, gorgeous, single [supposedly] and has a sex-life. He needs to quit the over-romantisced twaddle.

      • Hiddles forever says:

        ‘P’enny
        Yeah I read it and I found out..about trousergate!! Boyfriend material? Where did you read that? In British English I read that:
        - he drinks as a sailor but he can’t get drunk easily
        - he is out partying when he is not working
        - he forgets to put on his pants when he is in a hurry (trousergate)
        So.. Where is the prince charming part? He is speaking about strong women in his family, his first kiss and a lady he fell in love with when he was 19. The end.
        I think Luke is doing damage control, not advertising him as prince charming.

      • Janeite says:

        What the heck was he supposed to say about himself? Talk about what a jerk he is or something? If he thinks he’s a good boyfriend and he says that in an interview, so what? If some fans are so emotionally invested in him that they hang on every single word he says so tightly that they then go into full-on freak out mode when he goes out at night, that is THEIR problem not his.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Hiddlesforever, I see neither Prince Charming or damage control. I saw an actor with a play in London and a small independent film opening in Europe in February and the US in March that he’s obligated to promote. The answers were in response to the interviewer’s questions, which were not exactly probing or deeply intellectual. But I don’t expect in depth, probing interviews in a fashion magazine. I expect fluff like: when was your first kiss?

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @janeite – What the heck was he supposed to say about himself? Talk about what a jerk he is or something? If he thinks he’s a good boyfriend and he says that in an interview, so what? If some fans are so emotionally invested in him that they hang on every single word he says so tightly that they then go into full-on freak out mode when he goes out at night, that is THEIR problem not his.

        Janeite, very well said. He had a play and a movie to promote when he did the ELLE article (2 movies actually, if you count Muppets, which comes out next month) and the REPORTER asked the silly questions. He merely answered the silly questions. I don’t recall him ever claiming that he doesn’t go out to clubs or parties or that he doesn’t meet up with women (or men, although I think he’s straight) or that he has taken any vow of celibacy or that he’s claimed to be any sort of prince or angel or the embodiment of perfection. People’s projections are their own problems.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @janeite, you are welcome!

      • jammypants says:

        Sometimes, reading these comments, people appear to care more about his life/image than he seems to (haters/admirers alike). The guy is out there living. We’re here…speculating lol

        and I agree fully with Janeite and Lilacflowers.

      • Hiddles forever says:

        @lilacflowers

        Well said! :)

  36. ichsi says:

    OMG, this is the first time this man looks attractive to me when he’s not wearing a long black wig…

  37. Cupcake says:

    Oh yeah…Hiddles can do no wrong in my eyes….except live in London. He needs to move to America.

  38. ZsaZsa says:

    I find it very strange that recently he’s been dressed more casually than before just after comments arrive about him wearing the same things. For example on CB you all said that he looked hot in his sweat pants and sneakers and now he’s wearing hoodies and jeans.

    Puddletom should just wear what HE feels comfortable in and not what we want.

    That black cardi must smell though.

  39. Leah says:

    I would hit it everyday of the week. Poor baby looks really tired though. I saw Coriolanus this past weekend and it must be exhausting after two months of 8 times a week of that physical of a performance! He is in super good shape but still….

  40. Ginger says:

    Dayumn hot!!! and on Top Gear no less…thanks for making my day!

  41. thedarklady says:

    Oh God, his hairline is really bad – he’s not going to have any hair left in coming years.

  42. ZsaZsa says:

    I’m going to watch the stig part but my biggest problem is the interview. I can’t stand Clarkson and co so I’ll mute them but the problem is how am I going to know what they ask him?
    Sometimes all three can get really carried away so it will be interesting on how he approaches the answers.

  43. icerose says:

    @M.A.F @lilacflowers I did not mean to imply that the reviews and Shakespeare articles were over exposure but that they added to the feeling that he might be becoming overexposed. Personally I do not think that he is. Most actors go through periods of high media focus when something new is being released and then it settles down for a bit, And yes I would hope that the reviews help him to get more credible work or even encourage him to do more stage work

    • Lilacflowers says:

      icerose, if there was a constant bombardment in the pages of People, Entertainment Weekly, and spreading into other, not primarily entertainment news sites such as CNN or Fox, where I regularly find stuff about the likes of Oprah, George Clooney, and even the useless Kardashians, I would see it as overexposure. But, for now, it is primarily internet-based and it is primarily work-related, and the average person doesn’t know who he is.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        @Lilacflowers – So you imply that everyone posting to this thread are not average people?? Thank you!!! I think we are extraordinary! :)

        Seriously, this is the only site I frequent for my goss, and the TH and BC posts are the most fun. There is some nastiness between posters on some of the other threads which turns me off going there again (eg the LeAnn Rimes posts). I’ve also heard (through this site) about Twitter/Tumblr melting down with fangirls going nuts over some article or another (not just TH either) so I stay clear. I liked this site because there is room for fun and seriousness together and posters seem to respect each others opinions, even if they don’t always agree with them.

        I like that TH is not on the main Hollywood radar. His roles are much more interesting away from the hype of Tinseltown. Fine to have an agent there to pick up work when needed, but nobody should have to live there to be offered work. UK has a very strong cinema and theatre presence and he could have a perfectly satisfactory career without needing to relocate to America.

      • Hiddles forever says:

        @secret squirrel

        I agree with you about this website, most of the posters seem funny, nice and smart. Not bad for a gossip site. And yes, I steer clear of some threads (the Pitt/Jolie ones, Rimes/Cibrian, Kardashians….) but the Hiddleston’s ones are usually well balanced. Let’s hope they don’t go ‘rotten’ any time soon… I didn’t even know tumblr existed before reading one of Hiddles thread lol

      • jammypants says:

        “I like that TH is not on the main Hollywood radar. His roles are much more interesting away from the hype of Tinseltown. Fine to have an agent there to pick up work when needed, but nobody should have to live there to be offered work. UK has a very strong cinema and theatre presence and he could have a perfectly satisfactory career without needing to relocate to America.”

        hear hear!

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Secret Squirrel, yes, you are most extraordinary! Rare indeed. Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart weren’t recognized in Hollywood until they were in their 50s. Hollywood’s loss.

      • Secret Squirrel says:

        I confess to loving the British invasion, be it acting or music. Must be tied in with my ancestral heritage!

  44. icerose says:

    lunchcoma I do not think for a moment that he is that innocent or a fairy tale prince.You can be a very polite man who respects women and have a kinky side. I suspect he gets enough of what he wants and is wise enough to pick intelligent women who keep their mouth’s shut. From my perspective it’s his acting that really interests me and unless he comes out as a complete homophobic, misogynist ,racist creep I am quite happy for him to enjoy the spoils of his success.

  45. ItSetsYou says:

    @Hiddles forever, when did he “forgot to put his pants on”? What are you talking about? Tight pants maybe.

  46. ItSetsYou says:

    So I went to read up on the “banana story” and here is what i found:

    “On the phone but I remember that vid of that girl taking a pic with him n she tellin the other chick with the cam “push it harder” referring to the button..n tom is like “that’s what they all say..” ol freaky summabish. Talkin bout he got the magic stick n making bishes kneel. Man listen..”

    It sounds exactly like what I thought Tom might say on occasion. And then hastily apologize but not really ;)

    I was very happy to learn the “banana story.” It confirms what I thought about him and it’s a good thing.

  47. ZsaZsa says:

    What’s been going on here? Before I lost Internet connection we were all talking about Top Gear and how to avoid Clarkson!

    Puddletom is not whiter than white character and I really do think some fans over invest their time in him.
    I only gave the example of crazy twitter accounts as that’s the only thing he’d see directly everytime he goes on it. As far as I’m aware he doesn’t have Tumblr, Instagram or searches his name on gossip sites (he’s not that sad).

    Girlfriend issue? Someone said earlier (sorry forgot who) that he’d probably date someone who’s not even on a social network or has the sense to keep her association away from him on twitter. This is the best comment I’ve read about him regarding his romantic life not that it’s any of business.

    The only thing I read in that Elle interview which I was concerned of was the kiss with tongue aged 10. That’s very overly sexual for someone that young and it’s a thing teachers look out for. I hope he got his age wrong or made it up.

    Ok back to more important issues. He’s got a new cardi like the black one but this time in grey.

  48. joespider says:

    @Hiddles for ever:

    “His Avengers’ co-star Scarlett Johansson has warned me that “he has a secret sweet tooth – I’ve never seen anyone devour sugar the way he does”

    So he should be happy !

  49. jammypants says:

    Speaking of bananas, I know this isn’t very 70s but since he’s playing a doctor in High-Rise, He must wear specs (for reasons)! http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6pb225DRd1r99i3fo1_500.jpg

    • Secret Squirrel says:

      @Jammypants –
      “Speaking of bananas, I know this isn’t very 70s but since he’s playing a doctor in High-Rise, He must wear specs (for reasons)! ”

      Worst Segway ever!!!!!

      Thank you for ending the banana talk though. Too much information!!!

  50. Leigh says:

    Yes I would hit it!

    Gossip update-saw Tom this afternoon. Looked good in blue. He was alone but seeing as Jane lives virtually next door to him he could have been walking to hers. Just sayin-total speculation but who knows.

  51. Leigh says:

    True joespider true!

    I was tempted to turn round and follow him but realised how nuts that would have been and headed on my way.

  52. ZsaZsa says:

    I’m the only one that doesn’t really care about this woman? He’s never mentioned her or has been seen out in public with since. Can’t be that into her and if he was good luck to them. I can’t really be bothered either way

  53. joespider says:

    “Lilacflowers says:
    February 9, 2014 at 3:04 pm
    @joespider, well, that is how I ended up super secretly married to Chris Evans. I sat behind him at a Celtics game. Instant super secret marriage!”

    This Chris Evans of course. :)
    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01237/chris_evans_1237912c.jpg

  54. joespider says:

    Just starting, has the black jumper on!! And is still suffering from the cold.

  55. MissMary says:

    FFS, why is the thirst for him and Jane Arthy to be together still so damned strong? He’s said repeatedly that he’s single in interviews since Wimbledon and never been spotted or papped w/a date of any gender (and lord knows Luke and his PR team are on point when it comes to making sure Tom gets papped/spotted). I don’t doubt for a second that he’s having hook ups and FWB situations with whomever but a secret, steady, omglurve gf? Seriously, what is he doing, hiding her in his coat pocket whenever he’s at premieres and outings? And shes’ going along with the “being single” story because….?

  56. ZsaZsa says:

    Poor puddletom, he stalled the car before he even started. I didn’t know he wore glasses and he did the Paul o’grady impression

    I’ve found out more from this interview about him than from the infamous Elle one

  57. joespider says:

    Still wearing the black cardigan! And still has the cold.
    Showing the jaguar advert. He has driven one for 2 years now.
    After his Peugeot 106 which he had for 10 years.
    It’s very funny so far.
    Stalled the car!!!!!!!!!!!

    It’s absolutely pouring down on the track and he beats Hugh Bonneville by 0-2 of a second!

    Loved his comments about filming the advert.

    He is off to the theatre now but it was funny and well worth a watch.

    I’ll remove these spoilers if you wish.

  58. frat says:

    Scared of heights? I would have never said that, if you look at his Twitter background picture

    • joespider says:

      Yes, I was a bit surprised, but 500 ft up and the door open and the helicopter banking??

      And he likes to do his owns stunts, wirework etc. But then again that is a lot safer than a banking helicopter with the door open .

      • TotallyBiased says:

        Having actually spent considerable time in a helicopter at 100-500 feet, with the door open and sitting approximately where he is in the advert (they call those suicide seats btw, apologies for the language) –I can tell you even someone who is not normally afraid of heights could well have a reaction there! The way helicopters move (and as you say, the banking) there are times when you feel there is literally NOTHING beneath you. Great exciting fun–but yes, can definitely be scary!
        (Plus he isn’t even nearly as strapped in as we always were.)

  59. ZsaZsa says:

    @frat he didn’t like the helicopter and they had to do serval takes. His expression also showed fear. In his twitter background the otherside might not be that high

  60. lunchcoma says:

    Having watched now, still, very charming. I will confess to having a bit of a thing for men in glasses (despite having a bad track record of dating men with perfect vision), so Tom in his Mad Men era specs will be a memory I’ll cherish.

    • Janeite says:

      Yeah, he looks good in glasses. I like that he had his first car for 10 years. I had mine for maybe…12 years, I think? I literally drove it until it died. I don’t think anyone ever forgets their first car. It’s like a rite of passage.

      • lunchcoma says:

        I had mine for 8, but I started driving when I was 14. Then I moved to a city where a car wasn’t practical and left it behind and didn’t start driving again until I was in my 30s. So I’ve had a grand total of two in my lifetime and have strong feelings toward both. I find it rather charming he stuck to an old car that worked for him for a long time rather than continually trading up.

      • windy says:

        Hi Janeite, I agree with you about the glasses, and yup I’ve had my first car and am still driving it for 7 years (I bought it after working for 3 years) and I also do hope to keep it for at least 10 years. If I could drive it for 20 years, I think I would.

      • Janeite says:

        Lunchcoma and Windy, I am on my second car too! I haven’t put nearly as many miles on it as I did on my first one. I intend to drive it as long I can too. Pleased to see that others are the same way.

        And that track was positively drenched! There must have been some good tires on that car. I’m surprised he didn’t skid entirely off the track and go into the grass. Has anyone ever crashed on Top Gear before?

      • M.A.F. says:

        I’ve had my truck for 12 years and this year she is dying. It’s a slow death (every month since November I’ve had to take her up and get something fixed) and I’ve come to the conclusion that I will need to get a new at the end of year (2014s will be cheaper). It’s going to be a sad day, might have a wake for her when I put her down.

  61. ItSetsYou says:

    His black cardigan is really growing on me! Does anyone know where I can get it for my boyfriend?

  62. icerose says:

    ZsaZsa I am pretty sure Tom said in an interview he sold his car prior to going to America which means he probably had it from 2001 to about 2010.My guess is he borought the Jag with his Avengers money.

    When I saw him wearing his much beloved sweater pn Top Gear I just had this picture of his mum shaking her head.

  63. Mayra Jimenez says:

    Ooh la la. The scruffy look has my body feeling things in all the right places. I’m in love.

  64. ZsaZsa says:

    He doesn’t really need a car if he’s in location all the time plus he lives close to the London train network. If you don’t drive a car for a long time the battery goes.
    The insurance for that sort of car is sky high so I doubt his sister can afford it this time

    • 'p'enny says:

      @ZsaZsa says “he doesn’t really need a car…”

      he can give it to me :-D I will take it, polish it and love it for him. I don’t own a garage though and I am about to move some dodgy area North Manchester so it wont last long before the drug dealers nabb it. But… the offer is there.

  65. Lindy79 says:

    Bless him, that was a tough lap. The weather was horrific!