Kaley Cuoco got breast implants at 18, says it was ‘the best decision I ever made’

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I’m so sorry I missed this when I was covering Kaley Cuoco’s Cosmo interview two days ago. In my defense, this piece of information was buried in a PR email heading and there was no “PSST… this is the most important piece of info!” That being said, I’m beating myself up for missing it because it’s very interesting. Apparently, Kaley Cuoco has breast implants. Did you know that? I was looking around to see if she’s ever admitted it before, and I can’t find anything. I think this is the first confirmation.

Kaley confirmed the detail about her implants to Cosmo, saying that she got them when she was 18 years old and they are “the best decision I ever made.” I’m including some photos of Kaley in some low-cut dresses and such so you can get a better look. My take? She had them done when she was 18 and she’s 28 years old now. They’ve “settled” and the look pretty natural, I think. Plus, she didn’t go for the Courtney Stodden circus boobs. Kaley got implants that look natural with her frame. What do you think she is? I would say a C-cup, I think. Maybe 34-C?

My general rule about celebrities and plastic surgery is that they shouldn’t outright lie about their work. If they don’t want to comment, fine, although I’ll probably say something if you appear suddenly and look very different. But don’t LIE. I like Kaley admitting this work freely in a mass-market publication and controlling the story on her own terms. Plus, she sort of took the wind out of the story, didn’t she? That’s pretty savvy.

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  1. blue marie says:

    Meh, at least she owns it. They look mostly natural, but she never need to wear the bedspread dress again.

  2. BRE says:

    The best decision she ever made? Well I guess they probably did help her to get the part on BBT. But I can’t give her too much crap, I had the opposite problem and was glad to get a reduction.

  3. aang says:

    How long do they last? Will she ever need new ones? Curious.

    • Macey says:

      At some point you do need to replace but the amount of time can vary, Id say around 10 yrs but I know a lot of people that have had them in longer. A lot also depends on the size. the ppl get those outrageously sized ones usually need them redone more frequently but if you get a size thats more natural to your body, they can last long time. The main implant PS in my area said he has some out there that have lasted over 20 yrs.

      Edit to add. I understand what she’s saying. If you were really self conscious about something and then were able to change it, it can be life changing more b/c of your esteem is better and then you have more confidence..etc.

    • Seasong says:

      I’m pretty sure she’s recently had revisions & I think she went up a cup size. There was an ep in BBT where all of a sudden my bf & I were like, “WOW! Were those there before?”

  4. SillyGirl says:

    I absolutely love my new girls too. It was definitely a game changer for me.

    • crab says:

      Me too! I used to naturally be a 34C and I’ve been working out for years! One day I looked in the mirror and all was gone! I actually went down to a 34A so I needed to get them back! I’ve had them for 11 years and I can say it was the best $5000 I ever spent! Hubby agrees too! :)

    • Dame Snarkweek says:

      Lucky ladies lol.

    • Omega says:

      I really just want to get mine lifted. I used to have full perky girls and then I gained and lost weight very suddenly and the girls, well they started pointing downwards. A good lift for my bra-less days (not to mention sexy time) would make me so happy

    • Hiddles forever says:

      Kudos to you.

      I always wanted to get new boobs (mine have always been horrible since I was a teenager because of the yo yo dieting) and I never had enough money to do it.

      • winosaurusrex says:

        i just want a reduction and a lift. I’m 26 and a FF. It’s horribly. I gain weight they grow, i lose weight they stay the same. It’s been that way since I was a teenager.

        But I’ve decided to wait till after kids. I had a friend who had a reduction LOVED it. and then she got pregnant and they came back. I don’t want that.

        but i have a feeling when i eventually get pregnant i’m going to look like kim kardashian. painful boobs, and gain weight like a puffer fish all over. that’s my body type. very curvy and LOVES to hang on to the excess weight.

      • FLORC says:

        Wino
        My chest hurts just thinking about yours!

        To everyone thinking about a lift. When i started working out mypecs with bench pressing and pushups my chest tightened and lifted. Kudos to those who have implants and love them, but if you want to avoid surgery i’d say work the muscles.

  5. Happyhat says:

    If I could have afforded to get boobs at 18, then it would have been one of the better decisions in my life. Not the BEST, you know, but it would have been nice.

    But, alas, I don’t have the kind of finances to afford such a thing even now :-(

    (Surely though, she’s due for a change-over soon? 10-years, right? Or is it the smaller more ‘subtle’ implants can perhaps last a little longer?)

    • Cazzee says:

      I thought it was every ten years that you’re supposed to get them replaced, in part because of the potential for them to start leaking.

      Good for her for being honest about the work she’s had done.

    • kellybean says:

      There is no time frame to having to get implants replaced. You need to get them replaced when they leak or deflate. The newer cohesive gel implants last a lot longer than saline ones. And size makes no difference as to when you need to get them replaced.

    • Macey says:

      10 yrs isnt set in stone, its just an average. I do think the smaller ones tend to stay in a little longer. I have quite a few friends that have them, all small natural sizes and they’ve been in for some over 15 yrs now with no problems at all.

  6. Isa says:

    I would have never guessed. She looks like a B cup to me.
    I want breast implants too. I have since I was 13 and suspected mine were never coming in. I was right. I just want them big enough to fit my frame. I’ve gained 30 lbs and had 3 kids since I was 13 and I still can’t completely fill out an A cup.

    • Happyhat says:

      *hugs* I feel your pain. Even when I was hitting 200 lbs I was never more than an A cup. Right now, at 145 lbs, I’m starting to creep into AA cups. They’re only gonna get smaller from here on in (I’m guessing AAA cups are in fact just sports bras or something?)

    • anotherrandom says:

      I will sit with you women. Mine fluctuate between an A and AA. I went up to a B while breastfeeding and was excited but even then, my boobs refused to get huge.

      • Isa says:

        Groups hug! I’m currently breastfeeding and I have to supplement because I don’t make enough. While breastfeeding I can almost fill out my A cup.
        It’s rather depressing. Not only is it difficult to find cute tops that fit, but my breasts don’t even do what they’re made to do- feed my babies.

    • wheezy says:

      @Isa-
      DO NOT LET LACK OF BREASTFEEDING GET YOU DOWN! I am a natural 38D, they never ever fluctuate with my pregnancy- and NOT ONCE have I been able to breastfeed (through 4 pregnancies)! I’ve seen lactation specialists for weeks after birth and still no results. I’ve sat w a pump for over 3 hours straight and still nothing…I produce the milk…it just doesn’t come out.
      I personally get EXTREMELY offended when women preach about the necessity of breastfeeding (hello mother-in-law looking at you)…not everyone can.
      so Isa you aren’t alone…it’s frustrating but it won’t change your babies’ love for you.

    • xoxokalirl says:

      I thought they were a B cup too they look bigger on the BBT.

      Im sorry that about you experiences, I know breasts are a big part of our self esteem and how we view ourselves.

  7. Bernice says:

    Isn’t going to Yale, or adopting a child, or spending 3 months as a peace corp volunteer the kind of thing that is the best decision of your (28 year) life. Breast implants??? Maybe they made you feel better about yourself or they made you look better in clothes or they enhanced your self esteem regarding your body, but “best decision” that’s hyperbolic.

  8. Lindy79 says:

    Considering she’s just married the love of her life, I dunno if calling her knockers “the best decision she ever made” is hilarious or bizarre.
    Maybe she just doesn’t equate the two things…

  9. lem says:

    I always thought it was obvious she had them done. I think they look good (i feel like maybe she’s had them re-done with a more natural shape) but if you watch older episodes of BBT it’s pretty obvious given their shape and where they sit when she’s obviously braless.

  10. Vanderhootchie says:

    Natural-looking? Are you kidding? With that gap and roundness? Phony as a three-dollar bill, sorry. You can tell they’re fakers a mile away. If boobs are the best decision you ever made then there is little hope for your intellect. Not that there ever was :(

  11. paola says:

    I regularly watch ‘The Big Bang Theory’ and I noticed a big change in her boob area last year. She probably had them done at 18 but I’m sure she retouched them not long ago. Or maybe I started noticing her boobs after she wore this dress? i’m confused now..

    http://roflzone.com/big-bang-theory-penny-blind-dte-2/

    • ShazBot says:

      No, I totally agree…she must have had them touched up or something last year, because I totally noticed it then too. They just seemed perkier and ‘fresher’. They look good though, they are well done and fit her body.
      I totally want to get mine done post-kids/breastfeeding.

    • Bridget says:

      I agree! They got bigger.

      I cam understand why they may be her ‘best decision’ – its possible she may mever have gotten BBT without them, and that show has made her fabulously wealthy and set for life.

  12. QQ says:

    “she sort of took the wind out of the story, didn’t she? ”

    My thing with this chick and her ten Year Old Boobs , or that whole so and so was my bf is: WHO WAS EVEN ASKING??! LOL Like don’t worry sis, US Weekly wasnt tapping any “sources” to comment on anything you do

  13. Talie says:

    I honestly would’ve never known — they do look quite natural.

  14. Eileen says:

    It’s a breast augmentation not a heart transplant- you’d think she saved the Pope from quicksand

  15. kibbles says:

    If you look at her older photos, it’s obvious she’s had breast implants and potentially other types of plastic surgery:
    http://celebsplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Kaley-Cuoco-plastic-surgery-before-and-after.jpg
    http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4f50ee3269bedd8c5300003c-480/kaley-cuoco-big-bang-theory-8-simple-rules.jpg

    I know plastic surgery is a personal decision, yadda, yadda…but I am a big supporter of natural beauty. I value natural beauty – flaws and all – over a woman who is superficially attractive with fake boobs and a different face from the one she was born with. I think the world has gone too far with plastic surgery and a lot of women are beginning to look the same. Just go to places where plastic surgery is popular, such as Los Angeles or Seoul, and some of these women look like Barbie dolls. No wonder so many girls and women feel they can’t compete for men or jobs without jumping on the plastic surgery bandwagon. It’s a never ending cycle. It makes me wonder if she would have gotten her role on BBT if she had not gotten breast implants. And it’s really sad that she feels getting implants was the best decision she ever made as if there isn’t anything else more important in life besides having big boobs.

    • Lubyanka says:

      I am with you 100% on everything you’ve said.

    • Hiddles forever says:

      Hahahaha I hope you are joking!

      I know that there are starlets, like Megan Fox, who don’t need plastic surgery and they still do it.
      But plastic surgery also exists for people who have NO natural beauty.

      My natural beauty doesn’t even exist for example, nor it ever did. If I had money I would have done it too, it could have given me more selfconfidence and probably avoided 20 years of bullying from boys, boyfriends and fiancès about my ‘poor’ physical attributes.

    • cro-girl says:

      I agree as well. Everyone has some sort of beauty to them and that’s not just a sweet thing to say. Some are definitely more beautiful than others but we all have flaws. A woman I know has flawless skin and the most natural gorgeous shade of red hair I have seen in my entire life. She’s stunning, jaw dropping… and she could lose a good 80 lbs. I don’t have to lose any weight but I’ll never have skin and hair like that. You win some you lose some. No amount of plastic surgery will ever correct flaws anyway. I dont know who these women think they are fooling.

    • Dame Snarkweek says:

      I’m a big supporter of natural beauty as well but I also support women’s choices. A little nip tuck doesn’t mean that you hate yourself or want to meld into some plastic Barbie version of perfection. Its just that for some people there is always that one problem body issue that they would love to address. Some can afford to and some can’t. Some are bothered by the problem some aren’t. but it doesn’t mean there is some kind of hole in your soul or problem with your value system.

      • Nina W says:

        I agree with supporting people’s choices but I also think we should be encouraged to accept ourselves as we are and not look for “flaws” to “fix” when we look in a mirror. People don’t have to go under the knife for superficial reasons and they shouldn’t IMO. I think everybody needs to accept aging and stop pretending that Botox and what have they make them look young again, because they really don’t.

  16. Kate says:

    I knew she had them. It was clear as day. I give her credit for being honest. I guess Henry Cavill likes fake breasts bc Gina Carano has huge implants too. At least Kaley is honest. Can’t fault her for that.

  17. Alright then says:

    Sometimes she wears costumes or dresses on BBt and I wonder how she is not showing nipple. Does she not have nipples? I can’t believe I didn’t realize they were fake. My fake booby meter must need adjusting.

  18. InvaderTak says:

    Is she going for vapid twit of the year here? She seems to be loving the attention she’s getting.

  19. Shauna says:

    I think she got them halfway through 8 simple rules, her earlier tv show ( with John Ritter).

  20. Jade says:

    She’s honest and also eager to share. I wonder why.

    Anyway, those look pretty ok. As much as we all want natural beauty, I can’t fault someone who can actually feel better if a little plastic is done. All of us want to look better even if you don’t have low self esteem. A little plastic doesn’t necesarily mean you don’t find yourself unworthy.

    Anyway for celebs it could be savvy either way, depending on what you want. If you admit to plastic, people stop the gossip. If you don’t admit, people speculate and that keeps you in the news.

  21. TG says:

    Am I the only one that has never wanted big breasts? I have always been very athletic and had no need for big boobs. I like being able to wear a thicker shirt without having to wear a bra. As regards to men, U have never felt I was inferior if a guy didn’t like me because of my small breasts. Those aren’t the guys I would want to date anyway. If someone doesn’t like you for you then they aren’t worth being with. When I was pregnant and they got big it was heavy and sweaty having them sitting below touching my skin. I will admit that having bigger breasts did give me a more pleasing silhouette to match my more rounded frame. Also I do find nice breasts pleasing on women and can admire their figure without wanting it for myself.

    • Happyhat says:

      Sometimes it’s not about the size, but more the shape? I’ve got A cups, but they’re very constricted (or, ‘tubular’). I can’t go bra-less because my boobs are essentially flaps of skin. It would still hurt if I was running bra-less. If I just had small boobs, but non-tubular, then I wouldn’t be bothered at all and would probably be like you.

      • Lisa says:

        AWWW. I have this too. I’m a tuberous A. I sort of shoved it to the back of my mind as I was growing up, but I knew something wasn’t quite right. I didn’t even have a name for them until last year (I’m 25). From what I googled, there are different grades of it, and mine isn’t the worst case, but I know it’s there, and I really hate it. I would love the freedom that other women have with their bodies, especially to go braless.

      • Happyhat says:

        @Lisa *tuberous girl hugs* Yeah – I didn’t know what they were until a few years ago either! I’ve not met a guy who cared, but sometimes it’s not about a guy’s attention (surprisingly!) One day, when I can afford it, I certainly will do something about it!

    • Alright then says:

      Yep. Same here. I’m probably a small B and I think they’re great. No need for bigger. I’m also barely over 5 feet so they’d look ridiculous anyway. After I gave birth I went up to a large C and the attention from men was actually very off-putting. I don’t know how you large breasted ladies handle it.

    • Jade says:

      Nope you’re not the only one, I like my As hahah. But that doesn’t mean I won’t change anything else. If I could, I want height !

    • Isadora says:

      I’m sure I’m smaller than all of you. I don’t even know what my US size would be? Probably 34AAA or something. I’m rather flat. Yes, there were times when I was self conscious. Yes, there were times when I took crap from boys/boyfriends because of that. But the fact that I haven’t gotten any surgery kind of confirms that it was more their problem than mine. Because if it would be my absolute dream and everything in my life would be better with fake boobs I could raid my bank account, but I don’t. Why?

      It’s not that I’m totally against plastic surgery or something. If I would have a nose I’m really, really unhappy with I’d probably get it done. But breast augmentation is a concept I really don’t like – you are stuffing plastic inside your body (what a strange thing, honestly) and you have to replace it and do this huge surgery over and over again. If you get implants at 18 like Kaley you have maybe 5 surgeries until you are in your 70s. Plus all the risks of difficulties during surgery, them looking bad/artificial, infection, scars, low-quality implants etc. And what for? Boobs. And it’s not like they are life savers, they are just there for men to play with. And women to be jealous.

      Nah… I’d rather take the money and do something I really like or that brings me joy for much longer than 10 years.

      Having said that I think it’s good that Kaley Cuoco owns up to having her breasts done. I just wish she would have phrased it differently because there are dozens of insecure teenager girls out there who think ALL their problems in life are magically solved with a boob job. She should have just said that she had surgery and is happy with her decision. End of it.

      • Lisa says:

        I think 18 is pretty young, and not usually recommended because you’re still growing. But it’s not just about looking good for men, or in my case, other women, or making women jealous. It can be “the best decision I ever made” because it has such a strong impact on self esteem.

      • Isadora says:

        Yes, but why does it have this impact on self esteem?

        If you would be the only human being on this planet you would never think twice about your breasts as long as they are not in the way or bring physical pain. We humans as social beings always see ourselves in context with other human beings. I’d say (and I know I will be slain for this comment now) nobody does a surgery for purely optical reasons just for themselves. Only for themselves in nowadays society maybe, but this explanation already includes society and therefore everyone else.

    • Canoki says:

      I’m with you 100%. I’m an athlete and big breasts would just be a pain. It’s also nice to wear whatever I want and not have people make assumptions or stare at my chest. I hated their size as a teen, but now, love them.

  22. Zipster says:

    I noticed her implants the first time I saw her on Big Bang Theory. They are so obvious.

  23. Dawn says:

    Funny. I had a breast reduction at age 40 and I think that is the best decision I ever made. My headaches and shoulder pain all disappeared in matter of months. To me big boobs are not what they are cracked up to be.

  24. murphy says:

    I watch BBT religiously and I always wondered about those boobs…they always looked a little too perfect to be real.

    No shade here girl, they look fab!

  25. Nymeria says:

    Fake blonde with fake boobs = Stereotype ++. I’ll bet she’s closer in intelligence & personality to Penny than she’d like to think.

  26. Hannah says:

    They really are in proportion to her figure. I never would have guessed watching her on BBT.

  27. SportsGal says:

    Maybe she should’ve also have something done to help tweak that smug ferret face she’s always making.

  28. Karen says:

    I don’t pay attention to this girl, but a former post on this site detailed a tennis match she took part in. In that outfit, I thought FOR SURE her boobs were fake.

  29. TheCountess says:

    I cannot believe the mileage this chick has managed out of banging Superman for two weeks. Another one I wish would just fade into obscurity.

  30. Twig says:

    I like that she owns it. So many celebs try to pretend they’re all natural when it’s clearly not true.

  31. A Fan says:

    It’s a bizarre and weird society we live in where fake tits are desirable, normal, and someone’s best decision.

    [Beyond a medical condition, of course]

  32. Happy21 says:

    I’ve always loved Kaley’s bod. I think that her boobs fit her frame. She doesn’t look awful and they don’t look like beach balls attached to her chest. She is strong, fit and I think she looks great. Of course, if she starts changing anything else I probably won’t feel that way about her. But for now she looks good.

  33. Aly says:

    It probably was the best decision she ever made, those implants landed her the leading female role on a hit tv show! Lord knows it wasn’t her acting…

    They look good though. Very natural. I had no idea they were fake.

  34. Amy says:

    Wow never did I ever think I would be thankful for the breasts I have! This thread is making me wince for some of you ladies (big and small!). I’m a B and I was always the smallest out of my friends. I never thought too much about it and didn’t really associate having a large cup size with femininity or being a woman. As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized the pros of being a smaller cup but it’s only when I read things like here do I realize why women want smaller/larger breasts. My breasts don’t hurt me or sag (yet), they don’t get in the way for exercise, men don’t typically ogle my chest and I can wear low cut (though I am ridiculously modest) without being accused of being too distracting or what have you. I don’t really notice them most of the time they are just kind of there…

  35. Sam says:

    Well, this is not much of a news.

    I would guesstimate that most actresses have done some plastic surgery in order to have acting or modelling opportunities and I include all kinds of lasers, like laser resurfacing that Aniston admitted to.

    It’s a very superficial business, very visual, actresses are not being hired to do taxes, design roads, bridges or parks, heal sick people, fly planes or build hospitals.

    In other words brains are not exactly the number one thing when hiring an actress for a job, it’s mostly looks and some talent.

    The truth is that most people enjoy looking at a pretty flowers not at weeds.

    Beauty sells, many women try hard to look great at almost any cost.

    I have done several studies on the subject of female beauty in different societies and in various times in human history, I came to a conclusion that although there is a lot more pressure for women to look great today, because of the media, including social media, something inside us is prompting us to take care of our looks for many centuries now.

    It’s seems to be in the female DNA to try to be beautiful in order to attract a partner or the human race could have disappeared by now.

    I would not put foreign substance into my body, like implants, but I would do lasers, so my skin looks good for longer.

  36. Meggin says:

    That’s kind of sad that getting a boob job is “the best decision she ever made”…. seriously? especially considering she is recently married. But whatever. on a different note, she has the worst hair ever. It’s strangly and always looks like it needs to be washed.

  37. Lisa says:

    Wah, this makes me want them even more. I wish Id had the wherewithal to go at 18, but I wouldn’t have had the money anyway. It might have made me start working earlier so I could save for them.

  38. Baskingshark says:

    Even though I suspect her marriage is as doomed as a nameless Star Trek crew extra or one of Dr. Evik’s henchmen and the whole Cavill thing was annoyingly stage-managed, I like Kaley and kudos to her for being upfront about this (no pun intended).

    As for this being the best decision she ever made, well, she’s an actress vying for lead roles in a notoriously looks-obsessed, highly-competitive sector of the TV market and she’s currently making millions of dollars a year headlining in one of the most successful comedy shows on television. If (as I suspect is the case) the bolt-ons gave her a boost towards achieving that, I’d agree with her!

  39. Allie says:

    Maybe the implants helped her self esteem, and then she was able to get her job on BBT. Maybe that is what she meant about it being her best decision. But I like her, so that comment doesn’t bother me.

  40. Fiona says:

    I had a boob job on the NHS in the UK when I was 28 (I had ‘tuberous’ breasts and they never grew normally). I am now 47 and have had no problems. They are a bit hard now, but I have had them checked and am due to go again next week. Apparently, good old silicone ones have quite a long shelf life! I have to say though, that they don’t look as good as Kayley’s – gravity still affects fake boobies….

  41. birdy says:

    I think the time she got the boob job would have been around the time that she got the 8 Simple Rules gig. That show made her a name and opened doors for her. It probably helped get the Big Bang job – having worked as the hot chick on a sit com previously. Prior to the 8 Simple Rules gig, she was in tv movies, bit parts on tv shows and in videos. Best decision of her life might be regarding how it impacted on her career and snagged her the role on a show that aired for three seasons and was probably her first significant and regular acting paycheck. I would think been a series regular on a show for years that did reasonably well for it’s demographic, would be considered to be a win. I mean, how many waiters in LA are actors desperately trying to her their big break. She may have gotten hers with the help of a boob job – hence why she considers it such a good decision. I doubt the comment was mean to negate the hubbie or anything else she make have done but maybe she just means that it put her on a more even playing field in LA to land acting work. I mean, how many people actually make it in the entertainment industry as opposed to those who want that career? Maybe she realises it helped her get lucky and it grateful.

  42. GByeGirl says:

    Most women wear the wrong bra size. She is probably not a 34C, but a 30DD. Places like Victoria’s Secret have us all wearing the wrong size because they are trying to squeeze us into their mass-produced offerings. The proper band size is literally your underbust measurement. We no longer add 4 inches because the bra fabric is stretchy. Then you measure at the the nipple line while standing upright, and then bent over at the waist and average the two numbers. Subtract the underbust measurement and the remaining figure is your cup size, when converted properly. Cup size is proportionate with band size, so a C-cup on a 30 band size is significantly smaller than a C-sup on a 36 inch band size.

    I probably outweigh Kaley by at least 35 lbs, but I wear a 32E, and our racks are proportionately similar.

    • Isadora says:

      I really think this whole new brafitting stuff works not for all women. I think it’s great for women with rather small breast cages and sizeable racks – because they need to support it and a loose band is horrible for that. As I said earlier, I’m very small breastwise – but I’m still 5’8″ tall and have a normal/maybe slightly broader breast cage. I tried my “new” bra size and it was horrible. I could hardly breathe even though the band was of course elastic. I had red marks on my upper body after taking the bra (thankfully!) off which I hate and which can’t be healthy for blood circulation. I thought it was just me but read on the net that quite a few women with their new “fitted” bras have red marks after taking their bras off that won’t fade easily. That’s quite absurd in my eyes. I’d rather have no bra than this, tbh.

  43. Dopey says:

    Yep, I knew this. I don’t pay any attention to her but my exes daughter loves 8 Simple Rules (hates TBBT though) and I noticed her chest seemed larger on TBBT. Also, another ex had a full blown rant about it (I have no idea why, I tuned out).

  44. Leila says:

    Having breast implants is the best decision she’s ever made?! Seriously? Now that is pretty sad and shallow!