You know what I’m thankful for? I’m thankful that the Woody Allen stuff has calmed down after blowing up like crazy earlier this year. Just on a personal level, that stuff was really difficult to write about – go here to our archives to see. In the wake of Dylan Farrow’s public allegations of abuse, Woody wrote an op-ed and his team did some push back, mostly on Mia Farrow (not Dylan). It became clear that, in Woody’s mind, Mia is mostly to blame for what happened with Dylan. Now Woody has given a new interview to the Times of London, and he answered some questions about Mia and his legacy as an artist, and whether his personal life casts a shadow on his art. His answers are… interesting, I guess.
Woody Allen says of his longtime dispute with ex Mia Farrow — including allegations he molested his daughter Dylan Farrow — “I don’t agonize over it for a second.”
Allen, who strongly denies Dylan’s claims, told the Times of London’s Kevin Maher, “I do have a dull private life . . . I lead, in general, a very uneventful, very dull middle-class life.”
Of his custody drama with Mia and whether it defines him enough to inscribe on his gravestone: “That means nothing to me. I’ve never given it a second’s thought, afterward . . . And what do I care, when I shuffle off my coil? I don’t really care about anything that happens after my death. I don’t care if they take all of my movies and burn them.”
But the famed director appears gloomy, saying, “There is no God. There is no magic. There is nothing other than the cold hard facts of what you see with your eyes. It begins. It ends. There is no reason for anything” — causing Maher to comment, “I can’t help but feel that some of the gloom of his current worldview has been forged in the base bitterness of this long-running dispute.”
Much nihilism. So atheism. When did Woody turn into a 15-year-old goth girl?! No one understands him. He’s too deep and profound. There is nothingness in this world. You don’t even understand, man. Burn it all, he doesn’t care. *puts on The Cure and smokes a clove cigarette*
These are pics of Woody and Soon-Yi out and about in Paris a few weeks ago.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet and Joseph Marzullo/WENN.com.
Wow… So from now on atheists and nonreligious ppl will have a field day because of him… Hey, not all atheists marry their daughters or abuse them.
I just can’t with this creepy old man….
The other way around- now religious people can point to him and paint all of the rest of us with a broad brush. I hate when a terrible person comes out as an atheist…it’s right in line with what people fear and hate about us.
I’m an atheist and I think Woody Allen is a disgusting excuse for a human. Being a good person and having a positive impact on the world is critically important to me because of what he he said- this is our only chance, the only life we’ll live, and then it’s all gone. I want to leave a positive mark.
Yes, I meant that. Sorry I went berserk and typed my post too quickly!
Same for me. I want to leave a positive mark, how did he even dare to mention this stuff.. What a cretin.
I happen to be a Christian but I wouldn’t paint all atheists with this broad brush. Just as there are all kinds of religious people, there are all kinds of atheists. I think this statement speaks to his complete sad existence and personal misery. I know other atheists who are good people and I don’t think they’d ever say something like this. He speaks only for himself.
I think this statement speaks to an underlying undiagnosed personality disorder. Where’s paranormalgirl?
I’m here. LOL. I think Woody Allen has a lot of demons and deflects from them with his off handed comments and the like. If he had a personality disorder, with all the therapy he’s been in, it would have been diagnosed by now. And really? Middle class existence? REALLY?
@paranormalgirl, Maybe it has been diagnosed. That’s not normally something someone might actively advertise. On the other hand, maybe there have been many therapists, or there is always a possibility of one therapist who doesn’t mind dragging on the lucrative treatment plan. There are ethical and unethical people in every field, but I’m not saying either way. He, at least, has some narcissistic tendencies? That is evident in how all of the actors take on his speech patterns in roles in his films.
IIRC, Woody has been in analysis (Freudian, I think) for decades.
His nihilism is so convenient. He’s not morally bound by anything, and answers to no one, not even himself. I wonder what he teaches his poor daughters.
“Goth girl”? Bwah! Truly! He is a case of arrested development. Amazing how many people deem him a superior being. I guess, that makes him Nietzsche’s superman, beyond good and evil. LOL.
@Kiddo – Yeah, what I was saying is that if he has a disorder of some type, it’s already been diagnosed and he already knows all about it. He has said that he has anxiety disorder. He is narcissistic, but one can easily be narcissistic without having NPD.
@paranormalgirl, True enough. I was speculating on the lack of concern for consequences or pain to others (not related to the abuse allegations). He may just be diagnosed as “a bit of a selfish asshole”. That’s my professional take as a non professional person, lol. It should be in the next International Statistical Classification of Diseases book, IMO. But then there might be an abundance of new incurable cases.
@Kiddo: I like that. A new classification!
There are people who don’t beleive and people who are scared to death to beleive because if they’ve led a dispicable life, what would it mean for them if there were a God? Don’t worry. Most of us believers see people like him for who they are – guilty, scared and desperate to beleive there is no Hell b/c they are the ones it’s meant for.
Dear Run CMC : I share your pain of being lumped in with the idiots. I’m a Christian and have yet to picket a gay person’s funeral or anything like that. And no, no one wants to be linked to Woody.
MTE ! Woody, you do not get to be a nihilist. You must agonize to your final day over what your legacy will be. It must haunt your psyche to the point of torment!
He is creepy old man but in this particular case he is right.
Exactly my thoughts. He’s an utterly creepy pedo but he’s right about the God thing. Science is the answer and who gives a s**t what the question was.
But he’s not entitled to share my personal philosophy.
+1
I’m not religious but there’s no way to say for certain that there’s no god or energy or power…There’s also no way to say there is, definitively. I just find it equally dogmatic and narrow minded when people tout ‘science’ as though it IS a god like reality with all of the answers; it can result in attitudes that are just as bad as what those in favor of science claim about religion and its beliefs. I just find it funny when people claim ‘there is no god or higher power’. How did they find this out for certain? Because they haven’t seen it? IN that case, they must’ve missed the thousands of years of scientific history, wherein MANY realities believed to be insane or not true, turned out to be factual. Oopsie moments. (: Science is a product of human observation in as much as it is a set reality that exists independently. I just see no point in refuting the spiritual or divine or even religious, in favor of ‘science’. Science need not pit itself against something, giving people only ‘two teams’ to pick from [a common problem in politics -this dualism]. Science will reveal on its own, as time goes on. It doesn’t need a ‘frenemy’ to bounce its facts off of. lol.
You all are in for a big surprise when you depart your current body! 😀
sdlove, you express my feelings exactly, and so eloquently.
A very depressed figure and how convenient to disavow God or purpose in LIfe, makes it comfortable to believe their will be no karmic consequences or reincarnation where our mistakes can be turned to good.
Pretty arrogant to claim such a stance. Never cared for Woody, feel sorrier tho now than before
I don’t believe in Woody Allen.
This about 1000 times
I hate his guts.
May this pedophile b@stard get what he deserves. Exactly what he deserves. Over and over and over again. Worthless P@S.
Omg I hate his guts too. I don’t care if I seem a bad person!
I don’t believe that he didn’t do anything with those kids and I have so little respect for anyone willing to look the other way just to work with him. Soon Yi was supposed to be like a daughter to him since she was a teen when they “met”. Ephebophilia is a stone’s throw from pedophila and we know he’s an ephebophile.
So save for Gosling, who prefers older women, all men are this? ..The hypocrisy.
Nevertheless Bear, they are not identical.
Sandra….good point.
The entire miserable story seems to me to have roots in our dismissive perception of Woody Allen, vs the Goslings of Hollywood. I feel he’s always been begrudged a sexual appetite, simply because he is not quite Adonis, and his romantic successes were very much resented, for very grubby reasons.
In this respect I believe he was already condemned, long before any supposed misdeeds, and when it all went up, he hadn’t a chance, because he was already seen as a sexual trespasser.
Woody, Soon-Yi and Mia testified in court he he had very little to so with her children. She was not a daughter to him. she was a Sophomore in college when they began their relationship.
Yes, she was not raised as his daughter, but it was at Mia’s request that he forge a relationship with Soon-Yi because Mia thought he would/could be a father figure to Soon-Yi. By then Mia and Woody had jointly adopted two children who were brought up to be Soon-Yi’s siblings. It doesn’t matter that he wasn’t close to Soon-Yi. The man knows no boundaries. I have never thought he was incest, but I definitely think he’s still a sicko for perving on his girlfriend’s daughter and his children’s sister. Please do not make light of what he did. And yes, one of the children he adopted with Mia was Dylan – the one who claims he molested her and for which the investigation into the matter concluded he did in fact molest her, but they couldn’t prove it and didn’t want to put her on the stand. So, he may not have been Soon-Yi’s father, but he was definitely Dylan’s – or was supposed to be. He is warped and has been allowed to get away with it.
Thank you GNAT! Me too! He is a vile creepy joyless old pervert.
Many atheists make a point of saying good behavior still counts. He isn’t one of them. He’s not worried about going to hell, that’s for sure.
He was filming in my town this summer and some poor boy waited 6 hours to meet the Famous Director. The picture was all over the papers. The kid was smiling and thrilled. The Monster was looking straight into the camera with deep hatred, loathing, contempt, and barely contained rage. He didn’t even attempt a smile. I hope someday that kid will look at the picture and think WTF?
I hope his Soon Yi is now a bitch to him – he’s surely stuck with her.
Actually, evolution in itself says that we have a reason for being here; that is, leaving the planet a little bit better.
@GoodNames-I was trying to think how to put my feelings about this person into words-but you did it for me. Thanks, buddy! Succinct perfection.
Hate is a very strong word. I’m an atheist and hate is not in my vocabulary. Sorry I don’t mean to come off a judging or preachy. But the word breeds into a lot of bad imo. Personally I think the guy comes off as depressed.
I don’t use it lightly. I think hate is as damaging to the hater, if not more so than the hated. He stole his daughter’s childhood and he stands there and says it doesn’t bother him one bit. I hate his guts.
GNAT – I love you 🙂
GNAT – I love you too!
He better HOPE there is no God, cause if there is….he is in deep doggy dodo!!!!
I don’t think this pedophile creep needs to worry about going up to heaven. His elevator is going down, way down.
“The entire miserable story seems to me to have roots in our dismissive perception of Woody Allen, vs the Goslings of Hollywood. I feel he’s always been begrudged a sexual appetite, simply because he is not quite Adonis, and his romantic successes were very much resented, for very grubby reasons.”
Very good point. Attention from a conventionally attractive guy is deemed flattering. Attention from a guy who isn’t conventionally attractive is often labelled creepy.
Eff off perve!
What a grumpy old man!!
Yep, miserable.
Ah, yes. When pure, unadulterated solipsism curdles into rancid, toxic narcissism … it really isn’t pretty at all, is it?
Poor Woody. It must be so tough to be him. My heart bleeds on his behalf.
*NOT*
Not pretty at all.
well put
No God for pedophiles like him.
Oh there is a God…a very angry and punitive one….
As opposed to there being a God for all the lovely priests…oh…wait.
There’s no god for them either. What makes you think Aurora doesn’t feel the same way about priests?
I don’t practice organized religion but I believe in the afterlife, and I do think that those who’ve made heinous choices will need to atone for them.
I think part of the problem may have been that he didn’t give some things a second thought when he should have. In particular, the circumstances of the initial relationship with his now wife and the impact it had on the family unit, in whole. He still owns none of the damage.
That said, it’s not representative of the mindset of all agnostics and/or atheists. For some, the impact in this world while living is more crucial and more important to be handled with care because there are no second chances.
Yes, I believe he “didn’t agonize over it for a second.”
And I would never take his lack of thought or caring about anything, including the damage he has done to his family, as representative of agnostics or atheists. I always assume that someone who is either has given enough thought to life and their place in the universe to decide they don’t believe that there is a God. That’s not what I believe, but I respect them for seeking their own truth. He just seems like he doesn’t care one way or the other.
that phrase and how he talks show how he does not care about the consequences of his actions: he gets what he wants no matter what.
Exactly. Good post Kiddo!
And I am really offended by him, like he behaved like a disgusting piggg because he doesn’t believe in God? Piss off Woody! As my mum always reminded me, lots of padrinos were confessing their crimes in a church and look at the pedophile scandal in the CC…. Believing or not in God has nothing to do with that narcissist pervert.
Nicely put, Kiddo
I’m equally atheist and nihilist, but you can remain open to wonder, sentiment, and awe still. Woody’s never been a little ray of sunshine, even at his most humorous.
Polly too says it well……let’s make the most of it anyway, and above all, be kind.
Yes, that’s it. In an agnostic world, you must be mindful of your loved ones in this world. You don’t get a chance to apologize later in some after-world. You are a decent person, not because you will be rewarded or conversely punished, but because the experience of life is short, finite, but actions live on with ripple effects, and can not be taken back. One doesn’t have to have a belief in a super being/power to appreciate nature, its wonders, the human condition, and so on. It is right before your eyes and not imagined. The origin of the world is not necessarily its beauty. It is beautiful because it is beautiful.
Exactly, Kiddo. Live life for the pure pleasure of being.
Good stuff Kiddo
Yep…..
“The evil that men do lives after them
The good is oft interred with their bones.”
It’s now or never, innit.
I think his main problem is bus sized ego: Woody Allen does not care about the consequences of his actions on other people lifes, he cares only about Woody, and if you dare criticize him he does not care. He claims to be an atheist, and I could even believe it, but he has forgotten to mention he is an egoist.
I agree about second chances, Kiddo. Also, I would say that I agree there is “no reason” for anything other than a series of physics events leading to life and evolution. He may simply have meant “there is no divine plan”. One may believe this (I believe this) but it doesn’t mean that one has to feel nihilistic or gloomy about it. In fact, I feel the opposite. There’s no divine plan. My life is what I make it. And existence (mine and the universe’s) is glorious and majestic and wonderful.
Plus, Woody is persona non grata to me. As if I needed to say it.
Yeah, I can’t quibble with all of his statements. When he said “there is no magic”, he might have intended that there are no supernatural events or catalysts, not that life is without splendor, the alternative meaning of ‘magic’. And I think the quote, “there is no reason” is a simple no nonsense approach to the question of “What is the meaning of life”. As you said, you make your own meaning, it isn’t laid out before you, as in fate, things don’t always happen for a reason, there is much randomness of circumstances and events.
Exactly. You can parse what he said either way. If it weren’t Woody, you and I would probably have immediately assumed that he was making the same rationalist statements that we would make ourselves. But because it’s Woody, and we can’t stand him or anything about him, we’re tempted to parse it in a more negative way.
If YOU had said what he said, I’d have agreed enthusiastically!
We did just agree! Because we are the best! lol
I’ll take that!
Wonderfully stated Kiddo and Sixer!
Perfectly spoken, Kiddo. Thanks.
I hate that my own worldview is so in line with this creep’s, the atheistic bit, I mean.Gross.
I’m Christian, and there are many other Christians who completely gross me out and embarrass me, so I guess there’s no escape. Lol
Nobody with any sense thinks this pervert represents you or other atheists.
Exactly…like as a Christian, the Duggars do not speak for me or represent my beliefs about God/spirituality AT ALL. His atheism is unrelated to his despicable behavior… It neither explains or dismisses it in any way. The guy is likely a pedophile who just so happens to be an atheist…
I hate to say this is relation to Woody Allen, but the older I get the more I agree with him. I am also an atheist and a nihilist and I really don’t think there is a point to all of this. It doesn’t necessarily take one to a gloomy place but rather a place of, “So let’s all do the best we can because this is all we’ve got.”
I hear you! My husband think exactly the same. I don’t think you should hate to express your opponion.😊
Right, exactly. Some people stop believing in God but keep believing in Sunday school. They absorb the idea that meaning, happiness, and wonder come from a deity and so when they reject that concept , they fall into the trap of believing that misery is all that’s left. Only if you like it that way.
Awesome wording WAAMOS! I agree exactly with you. The opposite of belief in god isn’t life has no meaning’. In that case, one is really giving credence to the concept of god, through believing it via its opposite.
it sounds funny/strange to me to hear this coming from a movie maker…. I mean I guess he was somewhat answering the gravestone Q but… there’s no magic? Then what the hell’s he doing making movies? And the dull personal life. I’m sure his wife is used to that but still, so nice to see in print. (I don’t think he’s one of those guys who says it to get people off his back, I totally take him at his word on this aspect of his life).
He sounds a bit flat and depressed. He may not give Mia/Dylan etc a second thought or waste any time agonizing but something sounds like it’s weighing very heavily on Mr Allen. Or has he always been this way?
Fear of death and obsession with sex have always been major themes in his work.
It’s a well worn persona. He has nothing new to say. I wonder if that’s the problem with having a strong voice… you’re so good at it that you don’t bother trying anything new, so you never grow.
One day he will choke on his own bullsh*t, and it will be awesome.
Looking forward to that…. And I am usually polite, but this man is awful.
How does he know? Does he consider himself some kind of super-human creature? One can only guess in this matter.
No shock here. I wouldn’t expect a pedophile to believe in any higher power. Thus the reason for his total lack of morals and basic dignity.
Sorry, nonreligious here but I don’t abuse anyone.
An abuser is an abuser, sorry. Nothing to do with religious beliefs or race.
She didn’t equate athiesm with pedophilia, or vice-versa.
Jem
If you say that lack of moral standards are not expected from a nonbeliever… Sorry but if she didn’t make the equation directly, she implied that…
You can have values and be a good person without being religious.
I think that Woody Allen DOES believe in a higher power and his rejection of it is not at all genuine. None of the atheists I know talk like this. I don’t agree with them, but they have well-developed well-articulated arguments about their positions. He just sounds like an immature little boy that doesn’t want to be held accountable for his behavior.
Also I think Christians and Atheists have coexisted peacefully and respectfully for generations, let’s not let a pedophile create an artificial conflict. Ya’ll have Woody Allen we have Fred Phelps. Nobody is perfect.
You think you need religion to have morals and dignity? Well, shockingly there are actually people who don’t need the threat of a pissed off sky god or to read some old book in order to live virtuously. The prisons are full of people who believe in a higher power so there knocks that argument.
Yeah, that’s right. Religious people are never pedophiles. Except for those hundreds of Catholic priests.
I am religious, but I have seen enough of life to know that some of the worst people on earth believe in a higher power. And some of the best don’t. Your statement is unfair and untrue.
Excellent points.
Well put, .Goodnames. Important to point that out.
I just can’t with this comment. As if believing a higher power automatically makes you a good person.
Exactly.
What about all the Catholic priests who molested little kids? My great aunt was a surgical nurse and ardent Catholic at a hospital in south-western Ontario for many years. She left Catholicism after seeing a number of young nuns coming in for abortions. Who got them that way? Well I guess it was the priests who lived adjacent to their quarters at the seminary nearby. So please re-think your comment, it doesn’t hold true at all.
@Jaded – my fifth grade nun had a ever-growing “stomach tumor”. She eventually disappeared for a few months and returned, looking flat as a board, to say goodbye as she had been reassigned by the order. Coincidentally enough, one of our priests left the calling at the same time. Hmmmm. It just added to the blinders being lifted from my eyes.
@ PunkyMomma – wow, incredible isn’t it. I’m reminded of my father’s comment (he was a lovely, witty guy) when she told us of her decision to leave the faith…”Good decision my dear. It certainly wasn’t the Almighty who lifted her nighty…”
diddler
I was raised as an atheist but maybe because my family never had a nihilistic point of view of life, it is a bit foreign to me. Yes, life is hard and big scheme of things I don’t matter. And it is depressive to think about all the people that will never get help no matter how much you help people. I don’t believe in spirituality but something about making someone happy by just telling a stupid joke when they are down or donating to charity makes me feel content with myself. I wouldn’t survive one day with these thoughts. I do not mean it in a bad way, I am sure nihilistic people do have their points and many of them are amazing people( not Woody obv.), it is just how I was raised.
So he’s acting like a 15-year old goth girl? Here we go again…
Next, he’s going to seduce and fondle himself, take nude pictures of himself, and then later leave his current partner and run off with himself.
“Put on the cure and smoke a clove cigarette” Bahahahahahahahahahaha. Yup. That was me in high school.
Oh, “Put on the Cure and smoke a clove cigarette” made my day. Bahaha! Cue me some Robert Smith.
I still love The Cure. Not ashamed of it either. Spiderman is having me for dinner tonight.
Oh, me too. No shame here, either. Just Like Heaven
Stfu
He is so dismissive of the whole thing, I feel like he’s saying it just to passive aggressively hurt Mia and Dylan. Even if he were 100% innocent (which I don’t believe he is) he would still be thinking about it quite often.
He sounds very defensive, and kind of miserable. And I don’t feel one bit sorry for him.
In many regards he always sounded a narcissistic mess. And from what he says here, Dylan scandal apart, he comes across as an insensitive twat anyway… ‘I’ve never given it a second’s thought’, I mean… Really? You lose your ‘family’ and you don’t give a rats arse?
I think he is guilty of all accuses, but even if he wasn’t.. He is a despicable human being. And that has nothing to do with lack of religion, given that he seems to imply that too.
That’s what gets me. If someone had accused me of sexually (or physically for that matter) abusing a child, do you think I’d be all ‘oh well, life goes on’ about it? NO. And I definitely wouldn’t be showing the lack of empathy or feeling I have for the victim. That’s what convinces me the most, after all is said and done (not that Dylan’s testimony means nothing) he doesn’t feel for her. At all. I remember when he released that statement after Dylan’s article came out–and it was basically all about how Mia brainwashed her, nothing about how sorry he was that their relationship was damaged because of x, how sorry he was that she had to go through abuse–the typical things that might occur to a person accused, who wasn’t guilty.
He doesn’t care. And the fact that he’s some quiet old guy, who looks like your friendly, nerdy neighbor is uber creepy.
He may be resigned to the fact that people think that he sexually abused his daughter and there’s nothing he can do about it. This also happened 20 years ago and it may have taken him this long to stop caring.
@ FingerBinger
That’s an excellent point. However, with his last op-ed, he didn’t examine the past nor have ANY 20/20 vision of what he could or should have done differently to avoid causing at the least the pain he brought the family by stepping over boundaries with Soon Yi. So in that sense, I don’t think he ever cared, outside of what worked for him. His perspective, even at a distance from the events, was that he never did anything remotely damaging.
Also, it’s utterly delusional that he believes he is ‘middle class’. He sold an apartment for $ 27 million in 2004. I don’t know in what world that is considered ‘middle class’.
Fingerbinger
I feel that way too. He can’t change impressions people have of him, and I think there are indeed types who, counting themselves innocent in the face of even grotesque accusation, do indeed react with seeming indifference, when it’s clear they are never going to be believed. Why agonise, if it is fruitless. People evidently would far rather he were guilty, so he leaves them to it.
Woody Allen’s already a gloomy man……delight in human nature was never strong. That he is castigated for his appearance even, as though it were proof of culpability, may even make him laugh. The best joke of all could be that he knows atheism is no shield against the vindictive nature of the god of the Old Testament, incarnated in the media, raining curses on him with relish.
Ach…..I dunno. It just feels slimy, lashing into him regardless. I think Kiddo is right, this is not a completely rational mind, and personally I think it must be very lonely and sad, believing himself unjustly abhorred….so very eagerly, by so many. I feel for him as a fellow, though I hope no-one misinterprets this regarding (unproven) abuse.
That’s quite possible Fingerbinger. However people in that sort of situation usually express that more- something like “people are going to believe what they want but I just have to try to move on”. The way he answered it just made it seem like it was so unimportant and had little impact on his life.
That’s a really good point, Lucy2. Those accusations would tear an innocent person to shreds.
If you were 100% innocent of a crime why should you torment yourself? In a just world surely the person who wants you to suffer through their lies should be the one punished by their own conscience?
So if your child accused you of molesting her and you didn’t do it, you wouldn’t have a moments’ concern about it?
It’s a pretty mediaeval notion of justice to see guilt in an accused’s lack of anguish or whatever one deems an appropriate response. “An innocent person would ( insert missing reaction)” According to whom?
Ask any witch….ducking pools drowned the innocent.
It’s a pretty mediaeval notion of justice to see guilt in an accused’s lack of anguish or whatever one deems an appropriate response. “An innocent person would ( insert missing reaction)” According to whom?
Ask any witch….ducking pools drowned the innocent.
Edit: no idea why I am arguing, I should know by now it’s ill-advised. Peace and love.
Peace and love back. You make an interesting point. And I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t hold up in court. Lol. But I was once fired for something I didn’t do, and I was completely innocent. The person who did it and blamed me was my superior at work. I was very upset and hurt that I wasn’t believed and angry at her for lying about it. Call me medieval. 🙂
GNAT
You are graciousness indeed. (See why I must argufy…I get all agitata and ultimately wobbly). And I post the same thing twice.
Anyroad, apols re my adjective, honestly meant generally, nawt re you.
I’ll shut up, but will chuck in my last plea….I never thought Mia Farrow was the full shilling, long before her liaison with W.A. Frank Sinatra???!!!
😉
Chris, No, I think you made a good point. Sometimes I can be a little blind to the fact that everyone is not the same. Just because I was upset over being falsely accused of a much less serious matter doesn’t mean everyone would react the same way and it’s not a fair test of innocence or guilt.
I don’t feel sorry for him either. He’s in a hell of his own making.
An excellent point, Lucy2. Gets right to the heart of the matter.
Well, there IS no heart of the matter for this cold, self-serving perv. Gets right to the bowels of the matter.
What about his daughters? He has two young girls with Soon Yi, does he not?
Observer – yes he does, and do I ever worry about them. Also his wife is mentally disabled (Google it), in addition to being distorted by him as a child herself. Those girls have no protection whatsoever – except maybe his indifference.
Yes, it horrifies me, too. There’s no one to protect them.
I just… I hate this guy so much. Of course he doesn’t agonize over what he did. I don’t begrudge anyone their beliefs but there’s a part of me that is cynical and thinks that he’d rather believe that when he dies, he ceases to exist, because the idea of having to answer for his crimes not just in this life but an afterlife is probably worrisome to him.
I’d rather read a thousand stories about the Kardashians if it meant this criminal was no longer newsworthy… which will never happen so as long as Hollywood continues to look in the other direction.
That’s exactly how it feels after you’ve been molested, which I have been. (Mother’s brother; I was four, it was Christmas Eve, I told my grandmother but she told me to hush and never mention it again.) Being molested is soul-destroying, and I personally have concluded that no kind deity would allow that to happen to a child.
I am really sorry to hear you went through that. But WA was referring to himself concerning God, he was not the abused one.
Yes, I know he was the abuser, not the abused. I’m simply pointing out a very dark irony, that molesters pass on this very world view to many of their victims. Sexual abuse is evil, evil.
Nymeria, I was molested too, at age five and told the same thing. I always felt different from other girls because of that. Like I did something wrong.
I’ve felt different, disconnected, from other people ever since it happened. Decades later, I still feel as though I stand apart from people, as though I am tainted in some way. I am sorry that you experienced this; I know how hard this is, the whole thing – from admitting to yourself that what happened was wrong, no matter what your abuser told you; to coping with your sexuality and intimate relationships, which is tough, because there’s always (at least, for me) physical and / or emotional pain attached in some way to sex; to acknowledging that you aren’t inherently bad in some way. Some days I believe it; others I’m drenched in self-loathing. These things are why I decry molestation as soul-destroying. It eats at your sense of self, you relationship with yourself and others, your sexuality, your trust, even, sometimes, your will to live. Molesters get off way too easily, in my opinion. Mine’s still free, because there is – and this is absolutely ludicrous – a statute of limitations on this type of abuse. That is WRONG.
/rant
There might be no god in the way Woody understands it, but one thing is for sure: we are fully responsible for our actions, past and present. And one wishes he would have given some things a deeper thought, but obviously he doesn’t care about anything. It’s disturbing, sad, joyless, lifeless. I pitty this man.
You can’t be a nonconformist if you don’t drink coffee and smoke cigarettes, Stan.
A truly disgusting man. Talented, but disgusting. I’m even sorry that he and I have atheism in common.
There are no atheists in foxholes
Nick how is that connected to Woody? He’s in a foxhole. He’s going to die sooner rather than later. And he doesn’t care – about anything.
I dread all the accolades he’ll be getting after he dies – endless adoration from Hollywood for a self-centered pervert.
Christopher Hitchens would disagree.
He’s rolling over in his grave as we speak…
Hitch, we miss you x
Oh yawn. Atheist here, have been in all kinds of accidents and never felt the need to call on a deity to help me out. I hate that glib nonsense.
SO weird that he married his daughter. Oo
You don’t have to believe in God to believe in punishment. His punishment is that he has to be Woody Allen every minute of the day and night.
Yep.
He should hope there is no God since there surely is a special place in hell reserved for him…
I am so tired of his neurotic self-indulgence. It was cute for a hot minute in 1975. Now it’s over. Now he’s just a sad man in a flyless fishing hat and bad JC Penney catalog ensemble. There is no God. There is no magic. What fatalistic, self-pitying drivel coming from a man in the obvious throes of a mortality attack. Woe is me, I am so boring, I live a middle-class life: so says the man with the $70 million net worth. He is right about what thing – he is boring.
…and smoke a Clove cigarette…
I just died laughing!
Awww. the poor old pedo has a sad.
There’s no God, no reason, no moral gain – so why not molest a few girls, yeah? Who’s going to make me pay when I have all this worldly privilege at my disposal to keep me above the law? I don’t have to pay. I’m never going to pay. And you all have to watch me get away with it.
That’s what that statement said to me. What a piece of shit.
All true, and puts it in appalling perspective.
It must be contagious, b/c Soon Yi looks unbearably tired and depressed and old beyond her years.
Oh for god sake…. it was never his child in any sense of the word. He did not molest anyone. Mia is a vindictive flake. She supports Roman Polanski for god sake… get real! She f-herself and will never be in a decent project again. Over and out.
I wondered when you would pop in to defend him and attack his victims, chris. It almost seemed too good to be true, but now here you are.
@Chris
Yeah, and Woody is just a hapless schelp who just happens to take nude photos of 17-year-old girls; who just happens to be the daughter of his girlfriend. Ummm, ummm.
Oh…..another Chris! How do we differentiate? Anyway….um, this isn’t me, (the one posting earlier re peace, sympathy waffling about niceness.)
I wonder can one alter one’s ‘name’ for clarity’s sake?
You have the capital C.
…and the class.
And a brain.
I have an avatar and chutzpah. 🙂
Blimey, that’s a shot in the arm to start the day!
…….which is absolutely glorious….sun, clear skies, but a whiff too of autumn somewhere. Tis a good day to insist that All is Bliss, and all that. Enjoy yours, m’dears.
I don’t think God and science are necessarily at odds, in a large sense. I also would hesitate to be sure there’s nothing beyond what he “sees.” That doesn’t make sense considering we don’t literally see a considerable amount of things we rely on daily. So, I agree, his comments are either wishful thinking on his part or rooted in the pissyness he denies having about his personal family battle.
I’m agnostic and get along well with my family and haven’t abused anyone. You may be speaking specifically about Woody, but in a sense one can take that as commentary on how people who are like-minded think. There may be forces of nature that we may or may not be aware of or ever become aware of. But science does split with purely faith believers in terms of things happening that are impossibilities based on history and current day models, or that which would have alternative explanations, within religious books. For a few examples; a virgin birth, rising from the dead after three days. People who are agnostic and/ or atheists don’t believe in those types of characterizations of events, nor in kindly or fire and brimstone deities. Yes, there is faith to science. But science will test theories over and over. Blind faith involves belief without challenge, and that’s where the two are distinctly different. Someone wrote something years ago in a book. There is no way to time travel to test it, and none of that stuff has ever repeated itself again to be evaluated. You have to simply accept it and no one even knows the source of these books.
I want to add that this is not an attack on believers. If this is a method that makes you feel at peace and you think it works to make you a better person, and you truly believe it, then that’s good for you. ( but I’m not including fundies in that statement, who want to control others’ lives). By the same token, you can’t ascribe the lack of the same beliefs as red flag indicators of a less than decent human.
No, not at all my intent. Not referring to bibles, books or tales. I was indeed keeping in line with the original posted article about why he, in particular, would say that. I think the article even poses that as a possibility, which I concur it is- in his particular situation. As an aside, it’s just my opinion that it takes just as much of a stretch to conclude there’s “nothing” beyond what we see as it does to blindly accept some of the (IMO metaphoric) tales you mention. Actually, being an agnostic seems open and not assuming absolute knowledge. I’m not judging, apologies if that’s how it came off. Science is updating constantly. I read recently even with, albeit a millisecond, time travel. The string theory explains dimensions (heaven?) another existence wouldn’t surprise me the least. Who knows? In the end we go with our gut, but I would never put that on someone else. Hope this clarifies.
Yes. It does And sorry if I sounded as if on a high horse. I like to gallop around sometimes, other times I fall flat on my ass.
No worries! All good conversation. 🙂
Science to me is constant search without prejudice, and a wide open mind, ready for surprises. It’s more questions than answers. We all should realize by now, that our five senses are quite limited, and that not everything can be measured, weighted etc. And in that sense, there’s a lot of ‘magic’, and it might be ok to just let the magic be sometimes, and simply enjoy the ‘not knowing/understanding’… But ok, we all make our own choices how we look at the world, and at life. As for Woody Allen, he seems to WANT it that way, no god, no judgement, no consequences. But if you wouldn’t see god as an entity, but as a general concept of all life having action-re-action at its core, there would at least be ‘consequences’ to all we do, whether directly, or not. He obviously doesn’t want to deal with that, but they are there nevertheless.
@siri, there is judgement without god. Sometimes it is just and sometimes it isn’t. There is punishment or consequences sometimes related to bad actions and sometimes not. The same could be said if there is a god. Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people and a lot of things are random and unfair. I don’t know how Woody came to a conclusion about the existence or non existence of a deity, he may have felt this way before any accusations, but I can tell you that final judgement had nothing to do with it for me.
Since the belief system itself is predicated, historically, on ancient books which were handed down, and which I can not abide by because I think they are fanciful and not reliable, that is how I came to my own conclusion, at least to the extent of the perception of some ‘force’ within religions. People have altered the approach of the concept of a god along the way, but the origins of the system stem from the old documents. Like I said prior, there are things that are unknown. I do not know everything. No one does. But there are things that are unproven, and they will never be unproven. but it also doesn’t mean that they exist because we can’t prove that they don’t exist. For example, if someone wanted to believe in unicorns, how do you go about proving that there are none? I do not intend this to be insulting. I just think that you might be taking leaps as to why people come to conclusions regarding faith.
Siri- Good thoughts to the table, thanks. I also suspect semantics keep us in the box a bit in the larger sense, and I believe that’s what you’ve touched on here. I also suggest that, scientifically and spiritually, we may not be asking the right questions yet. Absolutely right, our senses don’t register everything (that for example technology has created). And it does follow that it’s highly likely we aren’t going to grasp any difinitive answers that way. Much of science does seem to point to salient evidence in one “normal” day for one to assess rationally whether there is possibly (or even likely) some higher power/intelligent design at play. It seems that the subject of this article is suffering from the human condition of emotional preservation, and holds himself in a lose-lose predicament.
Just testing name alteration
Edit: wow, it worked, so please allow me to introduce myself…..
Nope. You’re Chris 3.
‘Chris with avatar’: that’s why I reckoned that *you* were not a number, when pondering my imaginative amendment!
I’m too techno-clueless to actually get as far as an avatar, which is une grande bummère
🙂
Woody has never suffered any meaningful consequences. That’s his problem.
…said the Devil.
If you are addressing *me*, Sir or Madam, I resent that.
I prefer ‘Lucifer’…….so much more lyrical.
😉
Ha!
Okay, as you wish, Lulu.
🙂
He’s with his adopted daughter and feels he hasn’t done anything wrong? This guy sounds so EMPTY and delusional.
She’s actually not his adopted daughter, but Farrow and Previn’s adopted daughter. Not excusing him, but a few facts seems to have slipped in the retelling. Also I don’t think Soon Yi is at all mentally challenged and said so herself, she went to college to study psychology.
I’m a Pollyanna atheist. Meaning, I’m super-perky and optimistic about life and I think science IS magic. I’m as full of awe and wonder at the world as any spiritual person. Evolution? Big Bang? Chemical components of an aspirin? Saturn’s rings? Vestigial organs? Magic! I never felt happy about life until I accepted that I don’t, and never truly have, believed in a deity.
Says he, who is most probably a pedophile. It would make things so much easier for Woody if he thought he would not have to do any atonement, but what he doesn’t want to acknowledge is that society judges. I think he is vile, vile, vile.
I’m thinking I might actually be sorry for Soon Yi at this point, living with this mess.
He looks so old and she looks like his daughter…oh wait…
It’s almost like his subconscious is trying to tell him something, but he can’t figure out what it is.
Woody Allen is a genius and 100% correct there is no God. It’s so refreshing to have someone unafraid to talk about the truth.
And for people claiming he’s a child molester, you’re wrong about that too. Don’t be so gullible.
Woody has always been a 15 year old goth girl.
Whatever dude, You’ll fry in hell anyway for what you did to those girls.