As soon as I heard about Chris Martin and Jennifer Lawrence’s split earlier this week, my first thought was “Well, Gwyneth Paltrow is going to be smug about this.” To give her some credit, Gwyneth played the situation really well. She didn’t publicly diss Jennifer Lawrence, but you could feel Goop orchestrating some of the drama behind-the-scenes. Gwyneth still made sure that Chris spent lots of time with her and their kids. Gwyneth dictated the terms. Gwyneth still manipulated the players to some degree. And it worked. So, she has reason to be so smug… this time. She won. Her estranged husband is no longer dating a fart-soaked America’s Sweetheart.
That was fast! Jennifer Lawrence and Chris Martin’s relationship has fizzled out after just four months, and no one is less surprised than his ex, Gwyneth Paltrow. RadarOnline.com has learned that she’s telling friends she knew the relationship was doomed from the start!
News of the Lawrence – Martin split broke on Monday, but according to a source, “Gwyneth wasn’t surprised by it. She never thought the relationship was going to last because of their age difference. Jen is 24 and Chris is 37. Plus, Jen complained to Chris that she felt like the third wheel in their relationship because of all the time he spent with his kids.”
Meanwhile, “Gwyneth always pressured Chris to spend more time with Apple and Moses,” the source revealed. “The kids would constantly call Chris when he was with Jennifer, and whatever they were doing would have to come to a standstill. There was always the expectation from Gwyneth that Chris should spend even more time with the kids.”
According to the source, “Even though Gywneth didn’t take Chris’ relationship with Jen seriously, there is a chance they could get back together. Jen is young and impulsive, and Chris still has very strong feelings for her.”
A request for comment from Paltrow’s rep wasn’t immediately returned.
J-Law and Nicholas Hoult did the on-and-off thing for years, so I think she’s like that. I think there probably is a chance that Jennifer and Chris would get back together at some point. And if Gwyneth finds out, she’ll find a way to sabotage that too. *GOOP CACKLE*
People Magazine has a story about why J-Law broke it off with Chris and, if I may summarize, it sounds like Jennifer was very uncomfortable with how close Gwyneth and Chris still seemed. A source claims: “It is hard for her to understand the feelings between Chris and Gwyneth. She thought that Chris and Gwyneth were a little too close for comfort. It was an odd situation for her.” Yes, Jennifer. You just got played by Dame Goop.
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Yes, Goop got her way. Why she still wants him, I’ll never understand. I wouldn’t tolerate my boyfriend going out to dinner with his ex and having her stroking his face, either!
But its Hollywood, daaahling! Different rules and boundaries. I imagine they all stroke each others faces and say things like “be well” in smoke filled voices.
I don’t know if she wants to go back with Chris, but I’ve said and I’ll say it again: I think she is pissed about the end of her marriage more than we can think.
She wants to promote herself as the “perfect woman” the one who has it all, I think she could deal better with random infidelities than with a divorce, because divorce is a failure in her perfect image.
And I think she is one of those passive aggressive ex-wives: the one who calls the ex husband with the kids excuse, only to prove herself she still is important.
You got it!
I agree with you both!
Territory marking, Jag. When she reached her blonde hand out and stroked his face, she knew the paps were right there and they would catch it. She’s an expert in creating the powerful image, and she knew that was one. She was peeing on his porch to let the girls know he was still hers and they should stay away. It worked, too.
Peeing on his porch! Great! Lol
But isn’t Gwyneth dating someone else? And we don’t know who wanted the marriage to end–her or Chris. In most cases, isn’t the woman the one who calls it quits? And in her defense, what woman would be happy about their soon-to-be ex dating another woman–young, old, same age, etc.? I sure as hell wouldn’t be. I wouldn’t even want to know about it. Maybe it’s because I still love my husband, but even if we were separated this would be a very uncomfortable situation.
Why would any adult man let his ex do that?
Should a man not get rid of his clingy ex wife and simply invite the kids without HER?
Agree with everything said here. I think Goop will micro-manage the f*ck out of her ex for as long as he lets her.
She (Goop) only wants him because someone else (Jen) wanted him. Just a game to her.
You know who I sympathize with in this situation? Nana Lawrence. She was clearly excited to set that extra place setting for Dorito Christmas.
She was the first person I thought of when I heard J & C had called it quits. I hope she didn’t pull the best moonshine and stewed opossum out of the cellar just yet. Granny’s probably thinking, “Damnation, another Thanksgiving Dinner with that dagum boy that looks like an emu. I don’t trust that feller’s beady little eyes.”
What? Cuz all Southerners eat possum and drink hooch?
For the record, I’m born and raised Southern, as is my entire family, and the only people to have eaten opossum was my mother’s family coming out of the Depression. Her mother and father both worked and had 9 kids to feed, so they couldn’t be that picky; especially since my grandfather was having trouble finding work as a carpenter due to his being Native American.
As for moonshine, no one in my family drinks it. I have some non-Southern friends who have tried it, though.
Moonshine is actually legal to sell now in some states. We buy it at the local winery and it costs 40 a bottle, in a really sweet collectible bottle.
Not all moonshine is drank out of a quart jar.
@Abbott, Don’t we all lose when Dorito Christmas is canceled? Where is Bill O’Reilly when you need him? *orange tears, and a fart, in despair*
THE WAR ON DORITO CHRISTMAS!
Why? WHY? Ag?
@Sugar: that is how my family rolls. I grew up in the foothills of South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia boarder. We had an outhouse. My brother kept squirrels in the fridge for whenever, but during the holidays we liked something a bit more decadent.
Seriously, I am extremely southern and still live in the South. My family did have an outhouse and my brother did keep squirrels in the freezer. The part about the opossum was an exaggeration, but I have had moonshine and do have family members who have distilleries deep in the woods. I also have family members who have had their fingers and toes taken off by rattlesnakes, and I myself regularly kayak in alligator infested swamps.
Rhiley – can I invite myself to your place for Thanksgiving? Sounds like a hoot and a half – which is in stark contrast to the way my people do up the holiday. Dry doesn’t even begin to cover it – from the overcooked turkey to the appalling lack of liquor. I mean really – who can handle extended family stone-cold sober?
This man was in an open marriage for years. He may not want monogamy. I wonder if Jennifer just realized that
Yep. That’s why I call BS on the whole she was uncomfortable with them being close to each other. More like she realized that the guy has a wondering D and she didn’t want to deal with it. If he could cheat on his wife with one of her inner circle I am not going to think he’s going to behave just because she’s JLaw. Please let her get back with NIcholas Hoult.
I think the break up shows Jennifer Lawrence’s lack of experience when it comes to relationships (which is fine because she is young and her experiences are going to be limited at this point). She got involved too fast with a relatively older man, whose divorce has not been finalized, and who has two young children who need to spend time with their dad. I can imagine she would want Chris to spend his free time with her, but his circumstances are not such to allow him to do so. Chris needs to figure out the best way to co-parent with Goop before jumping into serious relationship with another woman. Jennifer needs to keep the train moving.
I think it was very immature and ignorant of Lawrence to think she would have an easy time of dating an older married man with children. She is old enough to realize that a man like that has a lot of baggage. I would even call Lawrence’s actions disrespectful because Paltrow and Martin are still married and might be trying to work out an arrangement with their children or the possibility of “re-coupling”. It is easy to blame Paltrow because she is unlikable and smug, but I doubt any middle aged woman would be happy to see their husband or even ex-husband with a much younger woman in the same industry who happens to be more in demand for work. I would not even go near a situation like that until the divorce papers were finalized. Even then, Lawrence would have to come to terms possibly becoming a stepmother to his children. I doubt she is ready for that responsibility.
Isn’t it disrespectful of Chris then? It was his choice to get involved with someone new. He’s the one who is still married and has kids. He should be thinking of their needs. Why is the onus on the 24 year old who probably is naive in this situation?
Absolutely agree with Alex.
Both have moved on following their separation, and quite publicly so. They should be made accountable for their actions, not the new person.
Jen IS immature. I don’t mean that in a bad way, I mean that she is quite young and inexperienced. I’m sure this is the first divorced/divorcing/separated man she has ever dated. And the first with children. All very new territory for her. She didn’t know the “rules” yet, how could she?
@HughJass I’m in my 30s and have never been in that situation. I don’t think not having been in this situation makes Jen immature.
If Martin isn’t spending enough time with his kids, that’s on him. Contrary to popular belief, he controls his own behavior and is accountable for his own actions or inactions.
I do think Jen’s team along with Chris’
team were releasing those earlier PR friendly pieces to People & I don’t think People would want to risk alienating Jen…..so that makes me kind of meh in the final piece. Basically, I buy this is legit and from her publicist for the reasons above and because People is known to work with publicists. I just think it’s sort of immature to run to People about being the one to end it and then dragging in his ex who is technically his wife still. Do I think Gwyn probably pulled some strings and was hard? Sure. I still think the adult thing to do would be for the People PR puff piece to be like “it just didn’t work out and was never that serious”. It feels like her publicist was aware of the negativity surrounding the relationship & instead spun it to shake off the “uncoolness” she got from dating Chris & to get sympathy for her by casting everyone’s favorite person to hate Gwyneth in the villain role.
However, I do think Jennifer is way better off without Chris. She’s young and doesn’t need all that drama
Jen deserves so much better than this Goopy uncoupling .
Goops smugness is very disconcerting.
I hope Jen reunites with Nick. He is simply incredible.
Except that People have been running with stories that where printed elsewhere first and they’ve contradicted themselves. I don’t think this is something they got from a publicist because the story at the source sounds dumb as hell. I think every reason for the breakup coming from 100 different people all writing different things are made up because they want to continue the story. I think the only real info coming from them was the breakup and that’s it. There is no reason for them to go around saying why but we’re still going to get a thousand stories regarding this and all relating to Gwyneth because it’s always the womans fault.
Agree. Jen’s people seem to be slyly pointing the finger at GOOP, but I think that’s a misstep. GOOP is trying to maintain a healthy relationship in the midst of divorce while co-parenting? What a MONSTER.
CPS should be alerted about this.
I am just glad, that JLaw broke it off with that man. She can do SO much better.
@Birdie: Amen to that. Plus one zillion.
ITA to infinity.
Here we go again with the tired narrative that the ex is a manipulative shrew for making sure the father spends time with his kids. This relationship seemed silly from the beginning–they are in different places in their lives. Why must this be blamed on Goop? Too easy.
Yeah and if she was that good at manipulating him, he would have treated her better in public instead of pretending he doesn’t know her. And he wouldn’t have cheated on her. Honestly, if Goop was that bad, he would have filed for divorce instead of having a 20-something year old jumpoff who acts immature and is ignorant.
Since Goop and Martin separated it seems like he is being nicer to her. In the past he walked 10 feet behind her with a grump face and now he’s running after her car but Goop is the evil one for stroking his cheek? K then…
Let’s just call this what it always has been: a young girl dating her crush which turned out to be a fling and a dud in the end. For him, it’s a midlife crisis as he wants to fulfil his rockstar fantasy after being nerd that married the popular girl. Goop is the most experienced in relationships, I doubt she’s pining over him and plotting revenge. Girls like her always bounce back.
And there’s nothing wrong with reminding him he’s a father first. He’s a rockstar on the road and she dialled back her career so he should make time if he wants to make co-parenting work. Jlaw is going to do promotion soon, she would have had to take a step back anyway because he wouldn’t choose a fresh relationship over his children. She and Hoult broke up because of work schedules, it would have been worse with a man that has children and a busy career.
Artemis, your comments are always on point. Keep it up
Preach girl! And seriously this irks me so much that no one thinks that yes he’s a father he should be spending time with his kids. It sounds like Goop moved on with her jumpoff and now Chris has been denied by Alexa Chung and dumped by JLaw.
WORD.
girls like her always bounce back. true dat.
There’s a difference between reminding your ex husbands he’s got kids, and using the kids to put a hand in your ex life. She is not the first, and surely will not be the last one, to act in this passive aggressive way. She touched him on pourpose knowing there were paparazzi out there, this is not “remember you have kids”.
It’s not about marriage or feeling, it’s about her image which is all she has.
If she was the one to go out public with a brand new very high-profile relationship I bet thing would have been different.
+1 You said it all!
@Eleonor:
How is she using the kids exactly? He’s promoting his music so if he has time, he should spend it mainly with them. That’s how co-parenting goes. They’re not people with 9-to-5 jobs.
Also I think the non-drama of their separation irks people more than anything. They could’ve been passive-aggressive in the press like so many other high-profile break-ups (see Depp-Paradis), they could’ve been aggressive (see Perry-Brand). They could’ve fought over the kids and set a bad example to them but they DIDN’T. This is one of the least drama-filled break-ups in recent celeb memory. Like I said, he’s actually being nicer in public with her! That’s only a good thing for the children.
I think this is why people and the press latch on the ‘Goop is manipulating him’ even though nothing points to that direction. She couldn’t control his cheating urges or him dismissing her in public while married, now that they finally admitted they don’t work as a couple, she is having some sort of hold on him. Yeah right. Remember they tried to make it work for over a year before their separation, if she was that good, why are they separating at all? Clearly she was the one who didn’t want a divorce, that’s what everybody said, that’s it’s not done in their circles, it’s ‘peasant-y’. There were rumours with him and Chung, him being over Goop’s lifestyle etc etc. People change views for gossip’s sake. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
Btw, the paparazzi was filming from a distance because the parties were driving off, it’s not like they were standing next to her so I don’t believe that she did it on purpose. The only reason why people take the ‘evil wench’ angle is because Jlaw is super famous and beautiful. If he dated Chung , I’m sure Goop wouldn’t be mentioned so often.
She’s in a relationship too but the other person isn’t that interesting as JLaw and by all accounts, Goop doing a better job at keeping it mum. Unlike JLaw’s team who clearly wanted it to be known she broke it off. Although I do think JLaw herself is just as private as Goop and Martin tbh. It’s her ruthless team.
+2. Chris Martin can’t be expected to spend time with his kids! But Paltrow’s such a [redacted] that she has to manipulate and ruin his relationships!
(Though I think the relationship was completely PR.)
me too… I still don’ t believe they were together!
I bow to nobody in my dislike of all things Goop, and yet I totally agree with you here.
I don’t know why people ignore everything Paltrow and Martin communicate to the public. It seems they really are great friends and everything they’ve been doing has been consistent with that.
People also seem to forget that he was living the Goop lifestyle way before he met Goop. Suddenly she’s the hag. I don’t even particulary like her, but that has felt so weird since the narrative started.
Wasn’t he even more stringent in his diet? Goop has admitted into eating ‘crap’ once in a while and her good friend (isn’t everybody who’s somebody her good friend?) Maria Batali said she eats a lot too (not sure if he mentioned pasta). Martin was a vegetarian before he met Goop and the gossip was that he quit after the separation but he was vegetarian before her. He was perfect for Goop because they were similar when it came to lifestyle, she didn’t change him.
I don’t like Goop either but these reports are ridiculous.
I don’t blame Goop. Chris is a dad first and foremost. Call it manipulation but it was never going to be smooth. You fall for the ex-husband of Goop who happen to be your teenage crush who is still not divorced from Goop even when you know they were reconciliation rumours from the outset ; no pity.
LOL!….Good Lord!. You know, I bet Goop would love to believe that she played anyone (manipulative wench that she is), but I’m going with Laineys take on this: Jennifer Lawrence got bored with Martin….that, and weirded out by both he and Goop. Dodged a bullet.
All is fair in love and war.
In war, one should team Dame Goop. You know that at the end she will win.
For real. She’s handled that relationship and was shanking Martha Stewart at the same time. She’s the General Patton of the celebrity thunder dome.
Hmm.
Sounds like he’s having a mid life crisis.
goop gets a lot of $hit for the stupid and tone deaf stuff she does, and i am no fan of hers. but, she cannot be blamed for wanting her ex to spend time with their kids. (IF she has to push him to spend time with their children, he’s an a$$hole – he should want to spend as much time with them as possible.) i don’t see anything wrong with them having schedules that they need to adhere to for family events, time with the kids, etc. divorced and separated non-famous couples do that all the time in order to accommodate everyone. goop and chris seem to travel a lot for work (and pleasure), it’s only logical that they have schedules.
i just basically hate it that she’s getting a lot of crap for his decisions. it’s insanely sexist in both directions – he must be the stupid will-less and hapless man who’s being c*ckblocked by his stereotypical jilted shrew of an ex-wife.
If Martin and Goopy were in an open marriage for years, why did they go through the conscious uncoupling? Which one of them wanted to end it?
As another person wrote above, I could imagine Goopy thinking that divorce or separation would be an end to her public image (she thinks) as the “perfect woman with the perfect life”. If so, why would she want the divorce?
Someone commented that their “open marriage” was about to be exposed so they chose to “consciously uncouple” to avoid the damage that this arrangement would have to their image.
I’m starting to believe this to be true.
Having dated someone with a manipulative ex, I can certainly understand Jen getting tired of all the drama. Believe it or not, there are women who do use the kids to maintain control of their ex and sabotage any potential relationship. I think Goop was pulling his strings all along.
I know a couple where the wife is manipulative to the point that the husband is well aware that, should anyting happen, she would do her best to keep their daughter out of his life. This same woman refuses to support her husband in any of his creative outlets (he’s a very creative person), tries to fashion him into a man who needs to solely provide for the family, and all I see is a frustrated person all around and a strained relationship that is only still standing because of their daughter.
This is slightly off topic, and not at all the same as GP/CM, but yes, some women can be very manipulative and will use their children to make a point. I have seen it firsthand, and it breaks my heart how anyone can be so out of touch with their partner, and so obsessed with an idea of family that they have created.
I hadn’t thought about this is years but I dated a guy with THAT ex wife. One night we were having dinner at home and she called. She needed him to come to her house so he could change the bulb on the outdoor fixture.
True story. A grown woman who wouldn’t change a light bulb. That’s just one example. It happened all the time and the calls were about everything.
If he wasn;t dating anyone it would be the average amount of phone calls. If her was dating someone three + phone calls a night was average.
The whole ‘cupping his face tenderly’ was an uber-douche move on Goop’s part – she might as well have just peed all around him. Horrible woman.
She will always win. haha
Eh, I predict a karmic tsunami in the Goops future. Goop seems incredibly mean, unlikable and phew boy insanely jealous and manipulative. Behavior like that catches up with people. It’s crazy how Goop can continue to date Falchuck (remember him?…the one who left his wife of ten years and their young children?) but Martin can’t have a relationship of his own?.
Why would anyone applaud such unbelievably cruel and manipulative behavior?.
Gwyn manipulated their break-up? I hope she remembers to make the sun rise this morning.
LMAO! Okay that made me laugh. And for everyone above saying that Goop is manipulative and engineered the breakup, come on. She did not want to be divorced. Based on all of the gossip Chris wanted to be separated because he could not forget Alexa Chung. Too bad Alexa wasn’t feeling it and stayed with her boyfriend.
Goop then decided to make her thing with Brad F a regular thing and I am side eying her for having an affair with a married man. No one is calling her out on that and I think she should be.
To sum, Chris got what he asked for and is probably not thrilled with the whole single then since he’s in his 40s and not that many women want to put up with his BS and his ideas about marriage. Based on all gossip he was the one all for an open marriage after he cheated and she put up with it. All the gossips say that Goop is clingy and does not let go when a relationship ends so I am pretty surprised how she is handling things all things considered. I thought she be out there with a boombox by now.
Yeah, I have mixed feelings with the whole thing. Chris should WANT to spend as much time with his kids as possible. He should always be super involved in their lives. And if he was dropping the kids all the time to hang with Jen, that’s a definite problem.
BUT at the same time. Knowing the kind of manipulation and control Gwyn has on her whole life/image… I tend to wonder if there was some manipulation done with the kids. The kids should always come first, but he does have his own life separate of Goop now… and the whole caress during dinner thing combined with the monogramed undies seemed like an obvious attempt at control. But – it’s up to Chris to say something. If he continuously put Jen in an awkward situation, good for her on leaving. I’d be hurt seeing a photo of my boyfriend being caressed by his ex wife. And you know – that’s not healthy for the kids if they indeed don’t want to be together anymore. It’s setting up a false possibility of reunion, and I don’t think there are many kids who don’t wish their parents would get back together, at least at first (unless of course they saw abuse happening).
oh please! Same old misogynist talk. If he’s too close to Gwyneth when he has a girlfriend that’s on him not on her. Plus, they have children together, what is anyone getting on a relationship with a freshly separated guy with children in common with another person expecting? That the guy will break all the ties with the mother of his children, with whom he supposedly has to take a lot of decisions with?
this is all just fake-em-ups. every bit of it. for PR.
the only thing slightly believable is the open marriage, which they would now want to hide, since the kiddies are old enough to read negative information which they might not be able to explain away.
the fakery and control is exhausting.
Yeah…I doubt Jen is losing much sleep over this. It was probably a fun, exciting summer fling with an older rock star, but I doubt she was looking for a long term relationship. She doesn’t want his baggage – divorce, kids, so she’s done.
I don’t see why Goop tenderly touching Chris’ face means she was trying to destroy Dorito Dust.
Maybe she was wiping off a booger? Goop would only wipe a booger off gracefully. Conscious Unsnotting.
I just realized I’m defending the Goop. I’m going to go sit in the corner for a bit.
There was another article that said he was too intense and too serious for Jennifer at this point in her life and with her now going on the road for promo decided to end it.
He comes with a lot of baggage right now, newly separated and away from his children and navigating that, focused on them, and probably clingy to a new girlfriend for emotional support. If reports are true, Gwynneth has a hot boyfriend from Glee, I don’t think Goopy was the main reason for the breakup, but it still is a messy time to get involved with Chris I would think. A guy with kids fresh out of a marriage, still has ties to his wife, separated, not yet divorced, kids who need him and that guilt he has, isn’t always a great idea to get involved with.
Jennifer is too young to be his cheerleader during his transition listening to all of his baggage. She needs a more carefree guy right now.
I’m think JLaw is an immature brat. Well, of course since the age gap is big she wouldn’t understand him.. even more since he’s a divorced father of two. I don’t blame Gwyneth if she wanted the children to spend more time with their father.. what’s wrong with that?
As for people saying he’s the immature one for chosing a 24 years old girl.. I don’t want to sound like a judgy bi*ch but, aren’t a lot of men the same? Always chosing the young chick, sometimes even with the same feature (ex. blonde hair, very light sking, etc).. yup.
Having said that, I’m sure she’s evil-laughing right now, all satisfied.
I actually take the JLaw version of this at face value. He’s a good dad who spends time with his kids, and his immature 20-something girlfriend suddenly realizes this is not so fun and makes a proactive decision to find a relationship that makes her happy, given what she currently wants in life.
Good for her, and probably good for him too, given a young starlet girlfriend is not so compatible with his current life priorities either.
It was a rebound relationship for both parties that didn’t work out. What autopsy and analysis is really needed here? If Chris is actually so weak to have Gwenyth dictate terms of the separation with no say in order to best please her and keep the peace (if the story is even true) then that’s on him. Jennifer isn’t immature for wanting to date someone new and older with kids and then breaking things off once she realizes that she may have bitten off more than she can chew. These things happen.
It sounds to me as if Lawrence acted with great maturity and called the whole thing off once she realised that the relationship was going nowhere – which was probably the best thing for everyone concerned, given that herself and Martin were never going to make it long-term. Also, everyone has got something out of it: J-Law got her rebound relationship with an older man out of her system (I don’t judge her for that: been there myself…), Goop continues to reign unchallenged as alpha female of the Hollywood pack, and Chris is left some nice memories of what I suspect was pretty intense shagging with a very hot 24-year old to keep him warm in the long, cold, carb-free nights to come…
@kaiser There is also a story about how Jennifer thought Chris is too intense. Apparently he wanted to spend all his time with her and came on a little strong. I could believe that too. He almost 40 and she is 23-24 their expectations of what a relationship should be like is different. She is used to relatively independent relationship with Nick who didn’t even live in LA. And she is very busy, too busy to play family with Chris and his kids.
Rule # 1: Never date a man who is still married.
The rest is moot.
A father should spend more time with his children?!?! THE HORROR!
Oh my way too much Goop PR BS defending of her here. Really. See ya in another six months…so obvious it is insulting. She is worst shrew ever met. EVERYONE knows it. Bye Gwyniie, and those still drinking the goop 🙂
Oh my way too much Goop PR BS defending of her here. Really. See ya in another six months…so obvious it is insulting. She is worst shrew ever met. EVERYONE knows it. Bye Gwyniie, and those still drinking the goop 🙂
Oh my way too much Goop PR BS defending of her here. Really. See ya in another six months…so obvious it is insulting. She is worst shrew ever met. EVERYONE knows it. Bye Gwyniie, and those still drinking the goop 🙂
Oh my way too much Goop PR BS defending of her here. Really. See ya in another six months…so obvious it is insulting. She is worst shrew ever met. EVERYONE knows it. Bye Gwyniie, and those still drinking the goop 🙂