Benedict Cumberbatch steps out at a pre-BAFTA event: lovely or tired?

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Here are some photos of Benedict Cumberbatch and Keira Knightley at the Newport Beach Film Festival screening of The Imitation Game. The event was held at the ME Hotel in London. Keira looks great, doesn’t she? Great hair and this is the most flattering maternity look she’s worn so far. An empire waist is a pregnant lady’s best friend. As for Bendy… there are no photos of him with Sophie Hunter. I don’t think she was there, but I’m sure some Floral Stalkers will tell me that of course she was there and she didn’t pose on the carpet because the whole thing is a terrible sham conceived by Harvey Weinstein.

This screening and party was one of many pre-BAFTA events scheduled in London over the next few days. I like the way the BAFTA people do it – they get excited for the BAFTAs and everyone looks forward to the show, but they don’t feel the need to spend weeks and weeks doing pre-BAFTA crap. They pretty much limit the pre-BAFTA events to, like, the three days preceding the show.

Since I don’t have much else to say about Benedict and Keira, let’s chat about the BAFTAs. You can see the list of this year’s BAFTA nominees here. They are this Sunday, the same night as the Grammys. I’ll check with CB, but I’m thinking that we’ll probably do the bulk of the BAFTA and Grammy coverage on Monday. Depending on when we get photos from the red carpet, I might toss up a few posts of some of our favorite people, like She-Who-Florals and Lord Dragonfly, on Sunday afternoon/evening. We’ll have an Open Post up as well, for all Grammy and BAFTA-related activities. BBC America will be airing the BAFTAs at 8 pm EST. The Grammys start at the same time, on CBS.

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  1. Snazzy says:

    She really does look beautiful in that dress

    • MtnRunner says:

      That is by far my favorite pregnancy dress Keira’s worn. She’s got her style mojo back. I’m hopeful that she’ll do us proud Sunday.

      Her lush pregnancy hair looks fab too.

      Bendy looks tired. Being under pressure to wrap up Sherlock and managing his out of control personal affairs is taking its toll.

  2. Felice says:

    No, she wasn’t there. Keira’s husband was though which is causing some eyebrows to raise but it’s probably nothing.

    • **sighs** says:

      Why would her husband being there raise eyebrows?

      • Felice says:

        Because it means that SOs could go and she goes anywhere where a camera is. Like I said, it could be nothing. I’m just reporting that people were like “where is she?”

      • Ingrid says:

        Oh, I think there wasn’t *enough* cameras for her… Her Sodiousness will only grace us with her presence if it’s televised and/or Wintour is present.

        Keira is so lovely and looks beautiful and happy. Love her!

      • Felice says:

        @Ingrid

        I love her too!!!

        I was never really into her until now. I mean, I saw the first 2 pirate movies, Love Actually, and Atonement (could only watch it once) but now I’m watching everything.

  3. scout says:

    Looks very tired, been flying in and out of USA for many months now. After BAFTA and Oscars, he can rest and concentrate on his personal life. She looks better and better, pregnancy suits her.

    • Felice says:

      She looks good with extra meat on her. She’s beautiful either way though. I think she’s self conscious about her face swelling because she seems to be doing the suction pout more.

      • moodgirl says:

        She always does the suction pout and it makes her unattractive.

      • gg says:

        SoGo just posted a video of an interview he did last night – apparently he will be working on filming Sherlock Sunday morning, before the BAFTAs! The man is working hard, but they should be wrapping on Sherlock soon and from Amanda’s recent tweet they may be done for 2015 (**sob**)

    • gg says:

      Actually he’s been in London – except for a quick trip to LA for the Globes – for a solid month now. His schedule has been relatively light compared to what it was before Christmas but he looks twice as tired. What’s up?

      • J says:

        @gg-was wondering that too. there was one random pic that floated by me yesterday where it appeared like he was struggling to focus

      • Felice says:

        A lot of it is lighting with how he looks. In some of the published photos, his skin looks fine. He’s definitely tired though and his makeup artists need to realize that you put the yellow/orange or red based concealer on the dark circles first and then cover it with foundation that matches the skin, not just lighter concealer (and use a blender ball not a sponge for goodness sake). He looked cute with Loo though. She is so tiny. That is why Sherlock looks so tall, everyone besides Mycroft is shorter than BC.

      • alice says:

        He’s been under massive stress since November 5th IMO, and it’s taking its toll.

      • Kat says:

        It’s more than tired. He looks utterly done.

      • Felice says:

        @Kat

        People see pissy but I just see tired. I do seem some relief though. He smiled for the arrival photographer for the first time in a while. Keira is so gorgeous. I watched The Duchess on netflix the other day. It’s good but too many unlikeable characters.

      • Kat says:

        He’s been tired before though and still looked in good spirits. He’s a professional so he knows how to put on face when he’s shattered. And the smiles I saw in the photos looked pretty forced, I thought.

      • Ingrid says:

        I assumed that he would be more upbeat after the pregnancy announcement because it must have taken a toll to keep that quiet.

        However, somehow he has taken a turn to even worse…

      • Ree says:

        maybe the baby is alrdy born thts why momma was nowhere to be seen and daddy was mightily pissed due to the lack of sleep last night.

      • Felice says:

        @Ree

        She is far from 3rd trimester.

      • Anon says:

        I can’t believe that you guys actually believe that SH is pregnant.

        He’s probably pissed that he has to keep pretending that she is. I feel bad for him. She’s an awful person.

      • Claire. says:

        Ok poll: for those who think it’s real, do you believe the June due date his PR is pushing?

      • Kat says:

        @felice

        She wouldn’t be that far from it, judging by the fact she was showing at PIFF very obviously…or indeed dressing to show it. Women don’t tend to show until their late third/fourth month. But not near birth stage, no.

      • alice says:

        Claire I vote late April, early May.

      • moodgirl says:

        I can’t believe that Anon believes that this woman isn’t pregnant. Come on, what gives? Convince me.

      • Tim says:

        He has to marry someone he doesn’t love, and who doesn’t love him either. She’s making him miserable.

      • gg says:

        I’m also late April-early May

      • Mika says:

        My gut feeling leads me to believe in a fake pregnancy 🙂
        They’ve just been too baity! No real couple would do that unless its for publicity – which is what its all about.

      • Green Girl says:

        I’m with gg on this one w/r/t the due date.

      • moodgirl says:

        @Mika – So, if fake, how would she get out of it?

      • moodgirl says:

        I’m with Alice – early May. Pregnant in August.

      • future says:

        @moodgirl
        Pregnancy is as fake as it can get. She managed to prolong her contract for a couple of months. And she basically doesn’t need to get out of it, she will just drop all the crap on BC an disappear back into her world.

      • Norman Bates' Mother says:

        Gosh, some people in here could use a good therapy session or 20. Yes, of course Sophie is faking it and the truth everyone knows is that Benedict is really adopting a half-otter, half-alien baby with Martin Freeman. If we’re already at it, Amanda Abbington is a beard too and their children are just actors hired for photo-ops. Benedict’s parents are not his real parents, they are faking it, did you know that? I knew from the beginning. Look at their eyes, they’re evil, evil.

        P.S. Love the term Floral Stalkers, Kaiser, although it seems a little bit too flattering.

      • tsmiv2 says:

        He looks exhausted and miserable. When you look at pics from OzCon or Monoco Grand Prix compared to now, you wouldn’t even know it was the same man.

      • Kat says:

        @Norman Bates

        Hysterical. 😐

        I don’t agree with fake theories, but you can see where people might grasp at it. This ‘relationship’ has been one badly staged and unconvincing move after another. I don’t care what theories people want to grab, but anyone who thinks this is a believable or normal union and he doesn’t look like he’s permanently standing on a masonry nail, is the most delusional of all.

        @Tsmiv,
        Agreed.

      • moodgirl says:

        I agree that everything about the relationship is fake – except the baby.

      • future says:

        Ladies, next time you see a pregnant woman in real life (comparably pregnant to SH in PS RC four/fifth month-ish) observe her. Noncreepily, not obviously:-) And then compare to SH.

        eta@Norman Bates’ Mother
        Thanks for the effort you put into the comment. But if it was meant to be funny, it s not.

      • Norman Bates' Mother says:

        @Kat – I don’t care about this relationship either way but I have been a regular reader for years now and It’s just crazy that we got to the point where people have to convince complete strangers who know nothing about the realness of their relationship. We put labels on people’s interactions and if someone dares to behave differently, there is an entire conspiracy theory just waiting for one simple mishap. He is faking a relationship, she is faking a friendship, those people must be divorcing because they were caught with their feet facing in different directions, and the other ones don’t love their children because they didn’t post an Instagram photos of them. What happened with the harmless fan of gossip on here? I miss the old relaxing BC comments sections and not those creepy stalkerish ones that are completely off-putting and filled with irrational anger. So many great commenters have already left and they were replaced with people like Anon and their hatred. Don’t you see those digs Kaiser regularly makes at those statements? She’s right. Once the most cultural and eloquent comment section on any gossip blog, now slowly changes into something out of Tumblr.

        @future No, it was not supposed to be funny, the situation became too pathetic to even laugh. It was supposed to be as ridiculous and as some of the comments above.

      • Kat says:

        I think you’re getting too wound up over it. Majority of people on here aren’t going to lose any sleep over anything they talk about here and there’s a pretty obvious large dose of snark. That’s what celebitchy is to me.
        People aren’t grabbing their confusion out of thin air on this particular subject – the fu££ery quota has been through the roof. Course that’s going to get talked about to death. This is a gossip forum first and foremost and when someone high profile is doing something weird, people are going to gossip.
        That doesn’t mean they’re not being ‘eloquent’. In fact, I think most people are pretty intelligent and eloquent on these threads.
        Also, what does kaiser’s comments have to do with what people say? Nobody needs to conform and agree with her and actually she’s openly sideeyed BC’s behaviour a lot over this.
        Yeah some people can have ‘out there’ theories..but who cares? Just ignore it if you don’t agree.. *shrugs*

      • Norman Bates' Mother says:

        I ignored those comments up until know, but some of those things people write are so mean-spirited that it seems if they could, they would grab their pitchforks and destroy the woman who we know almost nothing about. A grown men, nearing 40, who has been very vocal about wanting to have a baby before turning 40, is having one with a woman whom he might love or don’t love, no one knows, and somehow she is the big villain who should be torn to pieces, because what – she made him with her evil powers? This type of hatred is not something that was common here but was sadly common anywhere else. It’s celebitchy, people have been snarky, sarcastic and suspicious but it was different, because it was all just silly and good-spirited. It’s not about the fact that people speculate but how they speculate. It might sound dumb to you and laugh all you want, but being able to find escapism on the site like this is important to me. I have struggled with a severe depression for years and as we once discussed here, many people with similar condition have treated CB as something it advertises as – escapism that is smart. I wish I could find something else but this is the only one that proved to be working with my stupid brain. I would feel that people in real life are awful, mean spirited and that life is pointless but I could go on celebitchy instead of staring at the wall, and forget how miserable I am because at least here, people were a lot less awful – we could talk about serious issues like depression and feminism or silly ones like some celeb’s new girlfriend without having to validate my fear that making one wrong move or one mistake will cause people to destroy someone. So no, it’s not about Benedict Cumberbatch, it’s about bigger picture and the general awfulness of the world and my grief over losing this comforting place. So sorry about my rants but it was just too much and you kept digging.

      • Kat says:

        Thee really isn’t much ‘mean spirited’ and insinuating that people are unfeasibly nasty isn’t very fair on people who are just discussing it. It’s simply untrue to say we don’t know anything about her. We do know some things about her and that’s what majority of people are responding to. It’s not hatred, it’s mostly fair and considered points. I think you’re overblowing it.
        People should be allowed to talk about how a celebrity (and yes I’m going to include her, as she definitely seems to want a public profile) publicly behaves without being accused of hatred and bile.
        I’m sorry you struggle with depression..I know just how damaging it can be. But I didn’t dig, I was just giving my opinion.

      • **sighs** says:

        I don’t understand how people can just absolutely rip into Jennifer Aniston, Leann Rimes, Kim Kardashian and practically anyone who doesn’t have just the “right” opinion on feminism or racism, but someone on a Cuberbatch thread says she’s a couch dressing gold digger and we’re all the most horrible, mean-spirited people in the world, because we don’t know her how can we say things like that? Last I checked nobody here “knows” anyone we talk about on this site in real life.

        Yes, we have gotten a few crazies on here, but that’s true everywhere. Just ignore.

        I’m sorry you’re dealing with depression, Norman. I know that can be very difficult. I would just suggest if you get to a point in a thread where it’s making you uncomfortable, then skip down a bit. It usually turns pretty quick. It’s what I do.

      • Claire. says:

        “Couch dressing” LOL that needs to be in the next OED

        Honestly I love writing and reading the jokes but I’d rather he be with someone who is kind, makes him happy and doesn’t manipulate her way to 17 years of child support, but dresses like a casino carpet.

  4. Lindy79 says:

    Keira looks so great!

  5. alice says:

    He looks very tired. and even with Keira the lights not there in his eyes. Worrying.

  6. Kat says:

    Lovely AND tired.*

    *Also, 100% ‘done’ with everything, I think. : /

  7. Kat says:

    Just noticed that his tie is always slightly wonky off to the left. That’s sweetly endearing.

  8. Elaine says:

    He’s an unfortunate-looking man. I don’t find him attractive at all. There is something off-putting about his features, IMO.

  9. kri says:

    She looks really good. Pregnancy agrees with her. He looks worn out. Too much talking this year, Ben. Amazing actor, smart guy. But maybe just get through this Academy thing and don’t go near Weinstein again.

  10. tasha_nat says:

    He looks very tired, more obvious in the close up photos especially around the eyes. He’s starting to look like his Tussauds figure.

    • J says:

      yeah, they tried to conceal the dark circles but you can even see them through the makeup :/

      keira looks cute

      • lindy79 says:

        When he starts Hamlet rehearsals with a newborn in the house hes going to look like a walking dead extra.

      • J says:

        yeah, totally, lindy79

        he’s got the i’ve been up for days look going on up there, but ive had this odd feeling from the start that something else we dont know about at all is going on. probably just me being silly though

      • future says:

        There won’t be any newborns in the house around Hamlet time he that would keep him awake. At least not his (or at least the one that is promoted to be in SH’s oven. I can’t believe you think she is pregnant.)

    • Kat says:

      Something’s up, that much is obvious. As for what it is…who knows. Hope it alleviates because he doesn’t look happy at all right now and I genuinely think he was looking forward to promoting the film he’s so proud of. I 100% believe he was buzzed to be involved in the surgence of this man’s tragic story. If Weinstein hadn’t bought this movie, things would be very different now, I’m certain of it.

      • gg says:

        Sorry, I posted this upthread in the wrong place….
        SoGo just posted a video of an interview he did last night – apparently he will be working on filming Sherlock Sunday morning, before the BAFTAs! The man is working hard, but they should be wrapping on Sherlock soon and from Amanda’s recent tweet they may be done for 2015 (**sob**)

      • Mika says:

        I agree with everything you said Kat. I know he is busy filming at the mo but the weird thing is now that the enGAG promo is over, he doesn’t seem as involved promoting the film anymore. It’s all Harvey. I at least expected him to be happy during this phase of the campaign where its all about Turing, the film and the petition…but nada.

      • Kat says:

        I think the whole thing has been such a ridiculous debacle that he’s embarrassed tbh. And sad to say, but so he should be.
        It’s played out the like the most ridiculously bad public soap opera with wtf plots and shite acting. He’s going to have a really hard time trying to convince anyone he’s still the private person he used to be seen as.

  11. Maria says:

    Keira looks amazing, pregnancy looks good on her!

  12. Lucy says:

    Keira looks amazing! Great hair and makeup, lovely little dress.

  13. Tim says:

    He’s miserable. Absolutely miserable. No way he wanted a child at this time in his life, and no way he wanted it with SH. She’s a snobby, cold, brat and doesn’t love him, just his status as a celebrity.

  14. Natasha says:

    I don’t see tired as much as he looks unhappy to me. Any hint of a smile seems very forced.

  15. tie pin says:

    Very tired and definitely at a low ebb. I can’t wait for this “wash” to be over so we can see what comes out of it.

  16. Sunflower says:

    I just want to give him a hug and tell him everything’s going to be ok!

  17. Michelle says:

    Can somebody please enlighten me on why this guy is so special? Is he THAT great of an actor? I roll my eyes every time I come to this website and there is a story on him. I am waiting for the headline to read “Cumberbatch Puts His Pants On One Leg At A Time: The World Is In Awe”.

    • Kimberly says:

      I think his deep voice with his British accent has a small part to play……..I don’t know how to explain the rest

      Anyway. I do think he’s a great actor.

      But for this role specifically, I find him to be very overrated. I mean he was very good, but when compared to a few other actors, this year and last, he just fades into the background unfortunately.

      He’s only being nominated for everything because he has a good PR team and that Producer/Pig, Harvey Weinstein who’s campaigning heavily for (The Imitation Game)

      • hermi says:

        Thanks for saying that! I was so disappointed by TIG and his performance especially, which was rather manufactured and conventional. He’s been much better in films he acted in before this whole circus started. And yet, all the newspapers here in UK have been saying his performance is so great. Thanks again, I was thinking I was the only crazy one. 🙂

  18. Felice says:

    She’s not at the BAFTA dinner either it seems. Morning sickness at night?

    • Kat says:

      For the love of God, can someone please put a bag over Weinstein’s head..

      : s

      • Felice says:

        She is being way too quiet for what I would care for her to be. What is going to happen?

      • Kat says:

        Yeah, I feel that moment of creeping dread in a horror movie when you’re waiting for the jump scare.

      • **sighs** says:

        Lol kat. This whole thing has been like a horror movie. Maybe they’re recreating Rosemary’s Baby? Instead of the baby looking like the devil it will look like HW. Interchangeable entities. (Joking, H. Joking. Don’t hurt me.)

      • moodgirl says:

        If they want to get married before the Oscars they only have 16 days left and apparently are required to register 15 days in advance. So, either they got a pass on registering, they will wait until after the Oscars, wait until after the kid is born or he has decided to save his ass and co-parent. Hopefully he has come to his senses and will co-parent because the worst thing he can do on this planet is marry Sophie Hunter.

      • Claire. says:

        Hear hear!

    • Alice says:

      Hopefully, the lawyers have hammered out the co-parenting agreement and her services are no longer required.

      • moodgirl says:

        That would be great but you know darn well she is not going away that easily. Maybe Ardem doesn’t make maternity dresses and she doesn’t want to wear a K-Mart blue light special with her silver high tops.

    • tasha_nat says:

      BAFTA pre awards events are too small scale for her. Bet she’ll be there awards night, for sure. With florals and pockets.

  19. Nayru says:

    Persian rug?

  20. maudfricker says:

    Bendy is invited to Kate and Wills pre BAFTA party at Kensington palace this evening. Wonder if Kate and Sophie will exchange pregnancy fashion tips (snorts)

    • moodgirl says:

      I don’t know what she will wear but I do know, unless she is tied down somewhere, her fake a** wouldn’t miss this for the world.

    • Felice says:

      (meant to make a new post)

      Seriously, what happened? On setlock, he’s happier than a man with two d****

      Idk if she’ll go. Also, it’s not like Kate and William are snobby. She probably has more in common with Kate’s extended family.

      • Alice says:

        Maybe Wanda got through to him last weekend, helped him see the light, make a decision. I certainly hope so.

      • moodgirl says:

        I bet Sophie presents herself as a bigger snob than Kate ever will.

      • Felice says:

        At least Kate does charity and presented Prince George to the public for free.

      • Claire. says:

        Kate has never struck me as the snob type. Her personality couldn’t be more opposite than Fishstick’s. Would Kate ever pull any of the crap we’ve seen from Sophie on the red carpet? Nope.

      • Claire. says:

        Also ladies, that tweet from the comedian about knowing about a wedding, are we of the opinion she’s taking the piss or…?

      • Felice says:

        If the Queen meets her, he’s kissing that knighthood goodbye.
        She was joking, Claire. All of her tweets are weird and she would’ve given her paypal email lol.

      • Felice says:

        So far….she’s not there.

      • Alice says:

        And, Felice, he’s looking worlds better than he did in the PBFF photos.

  21. maudfricker says:

    Ben has arrived at party it appears sans Sophie

    • Sunflower says:

      And he looks hella fine!

      • Anon says:

        I’m not liking his look. He’s too skinny now and it makes his face look even longer! The dead eyed expression isn’t helping either. 🙁

      • Sunflower says:

        🙁 yeah, the suit looks good but he’s still not a happy batch. Someone on one of the skeptic blogs made a picture comparison of him this evening and his wax figure. The similarity is eerie.

  22. Chantal says:

    SH is with BC complaints? He is without her complaints? What a guy to do? This will probably make some of you happy. The song of the day from one these famous stupid fansites on tumblr is phil Collins song from the 80’s, “she is an easy lover”. Is that a sign? Maybe she knows something? All the conspiracy theorists out there should read the lyrics of the song. Is she telling us something from beyond? Boooo, scary!

  23. Sunflower says:

    Maybe she isn’t there tonight because there is no way she can outdo Keira’s florals.

  24. moodgirl says:

    I spent a few moments perusing BTT (Benedict’s Third Testicle) and accidentally clicked on a timeline that features photos of Sophie and where she was/who she was with in relation to Ben from March to September of last year.

    Considering that it appears that she was everywhere and with anyone but him before June and after maybe July or August, I wonder if the problem is that the had a very, very short fling and he is expecting a child with a pump and dump that he spent a few days with. Not weeks like I originally thought, but days. There are pictures of her EVERYWHERE from NY to Scotland and with MANY different men, none of them Ben. I can’t believe he would marry her.

    • Alice says:

      Pump n dump – LOL! But, yeah, I figured two or three dates at most before S won the lottery.

      • moodgirl says:

        I’m speechless. Before looking at those pictures I had no idea it was that short a period of time.

        She certainly behaves as if she hit the lottery but – and I know people behave differently – how could she be so comfortable being smug, mugging for the camera and walking red carpets while pregnant by a man she had screwed after a couple of dates? Surely their friends and family know the truth. She has no shame at all. If he marries her he is insane.

      • Alice says:

        If this unfortunate”accident” hadn’t happened at the start of the TIG PR push I’m convinced there would have been no engagement, certainly no wedding. Just custody sharing and co-parenting.

        BTW, a poster on imdb is saying the reason she wasn’t there at KP was because she didn’t want to do two nights in a row and being pg, she’s resting up for Sunday. Well, KK must be Superwoman because Sunday will be four nights in a row for her, won’t it?

      • moodgirl says:

        Now that it’s over I don’t know why he wouldn’t revert to that plan. I can’t for the life of me imagine marrying someone after a couple of dates. He literally knows not a thing about her. It doesn’t register.

      • Alice says:

        How could she be so smug? With pound signs dancing in your head it’s not too difficult to smile and smirk. No more hitting up Mumsy and Daddy to pay the tab for the NY apartment or the constant holidays she took. Some people feel no shame in getting what they want by any means necessary.
        And I’m certain all family and friends know about it. Therefore, her mother’s gleeful “Watch this space” and his family/friends’ dead silence.

      • tsmiv2 says:

        That “watch this space” comment was/is so creepy! If this was a true romance, what kind of mother would say that to a newspaper? Only a gold digger!

      • gg says:

        Daily Mail “Girl About Town” column ran a story saying claiming that Keira had wanted to spend a quiet night at home last night but when Harvey Weinstein heard she was planning on bailing on last night’s party he sent a limo to pick her up!

    • InvaderTak says:

      Uhg. I spent a bit trying to find what you were looking at and found an anon that admits to coming here and fighting the good fight of trying to convince us all that the pregnancy is fake. I know there are a couple who are in the fake camp on here occasionally but come on; ya look like a lunatic bragging about it elsewhere. Anyone know a way to block sites from myself?? Even for one of the more reasonable skeptics tumblrs that’s nutso. Also add; they think Kaiser is on HW’s payroll. Why do I do this to myself?

    • hermi says:

      Well, when they announced the engagement, one of his friends or family said the ‘romance has taken off in the summer, even late summer”. Which means that by the time the alleged romance was taking off, she got pregnant. Even for someone as broody as BC, this is really fast work.

    • hermi says:

      @moodgirl I saw that too and I’m flabbergasted. They weren’t even together for his birthday, she was with some other guy. And she got pregnant a month later (or so it seems). I always thought BC was smart, but maybe he’s just bookish, not REALLY clever after all.

    • anon says:

      @moodgirl
      From all that info you gathered they hooked up a few days. she got pregnant and he is the unlucky father. From all those days from all those men? Maybe, just maybe you should search the tag #fakepreg that one is even more interesting.

  25. InvaderTak says:

    I will take my hat off to Ben for going to a hospital in his period Sherlock outfit to visit people. That was kind.