MAJOR SPOILERS for the season finale of Game of Thrones
Unsurprisingly, people are still talking about the season finale of Game of Thrones. Specifically, they are talking about the death of Jon Snow and what it really means and if Jon is really dead and if Kit Harington is lying his ass off. As Kit told Entertainment Weekly flat-out, Jon Snow is dead and Kit will not be returning next season. OR WILL HE? I was reading lots of GoT conspiracies and some think that yes, Melisandre will resurrect him somehow and he will no longer go by Jon Snow (perhaps Jon Targaryen), that Kit and Carice have already shot those scenes and maybe Kit’s involvement will be minimal next season. I don’t know, we’re really grasping now, aren’t we? Anyway, Kit Harington Says (More) Words about the Death of Jon Snow.
What he wants for the audience reaction: “I hope it’s a real shock and a heartbreak, I really hope it is. It’s like Joffrey’s death or the Red Wedding. It’s a scene that we want to have that kind of impact; I found it to be really disturbing to shoot.”
Jon Snow was like Ned Stark? “Jon was very much like his father, very withheld. Very kind of, in the Old World sense, what a man should be.”
How Jon died: “I had wanted it to be a beautiful death, a release. But the way it unfolded, it was a huge betrayal and a gruesome death. It was an abrupt and brutal finish with no absolutely no peace for Jon in the end. He dies sad understanding that the last person to stab him is Olly, his steward…Jon had taken him under his wing and mentored the boy, but he forgets that this boy’s family has been murdered by wildlings. There’s a real loneliness at the end for Jon Snow. His greatest fault lies in that fact, that while he’s trying to deal with the horror headed in their direction, he’s neglected to see the politics around him. He was looking too much at the big picture and not paying enough attention to the small one — and that’s what got him killed.”
Jon Snow is really dead: “I’m quite dead. It’s over for Jon Snow — at the very least, he gets to join his family and kin and leave this terrible world behind.”
Why Jon died: “He makes the humanitarian choice. And just like his father, the moral choice gets him killed.”
STOP REFERRING TO NED STARK AS YOUR FATHER. He was your uncle at best! I mean, in the sense that Ned loved him and raised him, yes, Ned was his father. But paternity is such a tricky thing in Westeros. Anyway, Kit is really selling the sadness, isn’t he? Damn him.
Variety also has a new interview with David Nutter, who directed “Mother’s Mercy” – go here to read. Nutter says, “I can say emphatically that Jon Snow is definitely dead.” But will he be resurrected? Nutter also says that Stannis is totally dead but they just didn’t want to show the death blow. And finally, he says it would be safe to assume that Sansa and Theon survived the jump. Sure.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
I just put my dragon slippers on, grabbed my tin foil hat and coffee.
Jon Snow *is* dead. And that is why all the people involved in show can come out and say this. However, Kit Harrington is not leaving the show. He will be reborn somehow. There is zero doubt in my mind.
As for Stannis, I don’tr care if he is dead, but his death scene was super disappointing. You’ll show a child being burned alive but you don’t want to show Stannis getting his head chopped off? That’s why I’m still not buying it. It seems odd that he would be attacked by those two guys and the camera would make a point to show his leg was badly damaged. Which is why I’m sticking to my theory that Brienne chopped off his leg and not his head.
Also, Kit has zero projects lined up…
That death scene was kind of bullsh*t, but also well deserved, considering what a turd Stannis was. Let him go out like a squeaky fart sound and be done.
I don’t see why Brienne would spare him. I mean, she’s supposed to be helping Sansa but she’s going to take on this old injured dude? I dunno…
I just posted this on yesterday’s thread, but I watched again last night in slo-mo (yes I know) and she definitely hesitates or falters just before she strikes. That with Stannis eyeing something behind her leads me to believe that The Mannis is not dead.
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. “Jon Snow”, as we have known him, IS dead, and Mel will resurrect him. “Jon ———“, will be alive and well in Season 6. Harington has no projects lined up, and, whatever you think of his acting ability, he’s one of the hottest properties in show business right now. if he were truly finished with GoT, he’d have projects lined up for the rest of this decade. I hope while Jon’s dead, we’ll finally get our Ned Stark flashback, with Ned finally informing Jon of his true parentage.
What else? Harington sure seems to smoke a lot – maybe he started at a young age, and it stunted his growth?
He looks nice in that blue suit – it’s tailored well.
Did you play Theon and Sansa’s leap of doom/freedom in slo-mo? I hope Theon lands on Sansa, but knowing what a worthless sack of beautiful curls he is, he probably broke both legs and is screaming for Ramsay, totally narking Sansa out.
I think we can all agree it would be fitting of Brienne’s character to choose not to kill Stannis. Can this woman follow through on anything?
@Abbott I LOL’d at “screaming for Ramsay”… lmao!
@Bridget Brienne is mostly worthless, I agree. She fails at literally everything.
Abbott is right, nothing on IMDB for Kit! this is a good sign…
Kit can’t leave until he has stood for a photograph in the middle of Gwendolin Christie, Rory McCann and the Icelandic strong man who played The Mountain with his droopy clown face.
I simply wont allow it.
I also watched it again, and yes, there is a clear hesitation. But I’m not seeing him look behind her. I do see him looking around, but I think that’s more of his eyes just darting around because he thinks he is about to die.
Ugh. Why do we have to wait ten months for answers! lol.
Watch it again. His eyes are fixed on something and it’s not her.
He was looking past her for the whole scene.
Ive watched it three times. With this theory in mind….. His eyes are not fixed on anything.
I don’t think you’re watching it right. JUST KIDDING. The first time I thought he was just exhausted, bleeding out & realizing his defeat, but then I remembered this is the Mannis! He’s not gonna go out like that. His eyes are clearly looking at something other than Brienne the Beauty.
I’m gonna go watch it in reverse with my tinfoil hat on and I will let you know what I discover. #maybekiddingbutprobablynot
I need to watch it again, but on first watch I was thinking he was reflecting on all of his bad choices (use of black magic), and that’s why he was looking around.
That’s what I thought too Size, but if you pause right when Brienne swings you can see her falter, something stops her whether it’s physical or visual is hard to tell. Somebody brought up yesterday that she wasn’t positioned right to behead him, and perhaps she just comes down on his (bad) leg.
I haven’t paused or re-watched, but Dillane was clearly doing something with his eyes. It was odd and out of place. I spent the whole scene waiting for someone to come up behind Brienne. It was a fairly close shot of Stannis and it’s not like they couldn’t have just asked him not to do that weird thing with his eyes, so it had to be an intentional choice.
I noticed both oddities. He was definitely focused on something behind Brienne, I thought it was Podrick. Also she did not seem positioned correctly to behead him. Her sword was at the wrong angle.
Theon and Sansa grew up in that castle. They probably know very well that the snow drifts up in soft pillowy mounds in that particular spot. They may have jumped off that part of the wall and into the snow while playing as children. I’m thinking they’re both fine. There was no hesitation on either part.
You guys should check out this video about GOT and who Azor Ahai is. It’s kinda long but very interesting… definitely makes me think Jon Snow is coming back in some form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=966&v=O3o2LqFZcGU
Yeah I referenced this vid (thank you QQ) yesterday down thread, it’s great and a must watch!
He might not be of Ned Stark’s issue but he is a Stark and Ned Stark raised him as a son. Therefore, yes, Jon is Ned’s son.
I’ll have to not see Jon Snow in any form next season to even remotely believe the character is gone for good.
But we didn’t see The Hound this season at all and his fate is still unknown.
He’s been busy secretly chasing black cats.
That is inline with the books though. GRRM does have a scene in the books that seems to indicate the Hound’s fate but he’s never confirmed that. I think, show wise, the Hound’s fate is along the lines of Syrio Forel and Benjen Stark: missing but presumed dead. I would not be surprised if the show brought back Rory Mc Cann or didn’t bring him back…either way wouldn’t surprise me.
I just think if Jon is coming back (he is)…they aren’t saving it for season 7. He’ll pop up in some form at some point in season 6 (maybe not until midway or even the final shot of the season).
About Stannis: Has there been any Stephen Dillane interviews discussing his character’s demise? Just about all of the actors have discussed their demises post their last episode (I know Nikolaj discussed Myrcella’s death and not the actress but she was barely on the show) and it seems odd that he hasn’t. I know Gwendoline Christie gave an interview to EW.com about but it’s weird we have not heard from Dillane, considering the last two episodes for Stannis.
Stephane Dillane is soooo cranky in interviews, I love it. I’m not going to post it, but he’s critical of the “70’s porn” in the show, which is even funnier since the Red Witch is one the c/porniest on the show.
@mimif…I am not surprised Dillane is cranky in interviews. He doesn’t seem the type to really go for that stuff. That is hysterical that he criticized the “70’s porn” of the show in light of what the show has done to Melisandre. I believe Charles Dance criticized the show’s sex scenes as well.
I think he called it “crappy German 70’s porn” or something, which makes me giggle even more. Also watched him do the whole 60 seconds interview thing and he was just a total dick, but in a funny grumpy green trousers English kind of way. Sigh. I love him. Stupid daughter burner.
With torn ears?
Kit Harington says words we don’t want to hear!
Sidenote: I think it was @Size who mentioned the blood in the shape of a howling wolf? Was that for real or are my eyeballs playing tricks on me?
I think it was @Size too, and I went to another site that clearly showed the still shot. It’s a howling wolf. Not sure if it means he warfing into Ghost, but it was a lovely heartbreaking detail.
‘Twas Size. And wtf Jon’s last whispered word was “Olly”. Why didn’t I catch that before?
Does this mean he’s going to warg into Olly and then throw his traitorous ass off The Wall and get his face eaten off by a White Walker?
Really? Ugh, that is disappointing. The books, his last word was Ghost. In parallel to book Robb Stark whose last words were Grey Wind (show it was Mother…but the book have his last line being Jeyne…Mother…Grey Wind…)
I love the connection with the wolves and I wish the show didn’t just seem to forget about them.
Yes, it was me!!! Total howling wolf – but blink and you miss it. My husband is a doubter even though we had it on slow-mo last night. I was so busy watching for his eyes to turn color I didn’t notice it the first time.
I think in the book he may be warged into Ghost for a while, but logistically that would be virtually impossible to depict on HBO (Ghost with a perm looking extra melancholy, I don’t think so). So I think Mel straight out revives him. And then what? Does he execute the mutineers? Is this the act that causes Davos to convert? Does he have “death dreams” of his parents and Stark so-called siblings? So he is revived with new goals?
Totally new goals. Olly is just a kid so he gets a pass from me, but Alliser & his bandits can all suck Longclaw.
I think he would leave the Watch and move on to W interfell. Jon is pragmatic enough to not push when the Watchmen have made their wishes abundantly clear. I think he’s going to focus instead on getting the folks at Winterfell ready to repel the Others (perhaps with Tormund Giants Bane? What better way to unseat Bolton than with a wildling army?). The Wall is woefully undermanned, with little dragonglass and even less Valyrian steel. They’re not getting reinforcements a second time, so I think Jon will prepare elsewhere in the North (after all, Winter Is Coming)
+1000 to all that and please please let Tormund live forever. I will shed genuine tears otherwise.
It would be a nice way of bringing the story full circle – the whole saga started with the Stark family. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.
I like Tormund, though I wish the show had let Mance live and had cast the right person for the part (James Purefoy). I also miss the wildling princess and that whole thing. Basically, what I’m saying is that I wish they’d kept more of the good wildling characters.
Of course Jon Snow is dead. He had to kill the boy at let the man be born as Maester Aemon advised him. That boy was naive and loyal to a fault. The people who play this game successfully need to be sneaky in some sense. Olenna, Varys, Littlefinger, Cersei (when she’s sober and not acting paranoid) it’s all a chess game and Jon had the learn the hard way that as Stannis told him, his honor would get him killed the way it got Ned killed. I wonder if Jon will be laid to rest in a funeral pyre since he is deemed a traitor or if they will just discard his body. I’m in serious denial that he is dead. Well he is dead, but I’m in denial as to his fate. I mean if Thorros’ of Myr drunk butt can resurrect Beric Dondarrion, why couldn’t Melisandre. And why even show the ability for that to happen in their world with random characters we only saw briefly unless it was setting the story line up for something greater? Also, why build up Jon’s character with all the mystery and qquestions regarding who he is, and especially how this season made it a point to point out Lyanna and Rhaegar and Stannis telling Selyse that Ned wasn’t the type to bed Tavern sluts? Ugh!
Maybe he won’t be in the next season like Bran, but I’m still not buying this ish. And yes, Theon and Sansa better be alive — that would be cruel! People keep talking about them breaking something. Uh no, it’s a fantasy show — let these two have something.
To me, the whole series has been building up to “Jon Snow’s” death, and his rebirth as his true self- The Azor Ahai, the one true king of Westeros, the man who will save humanity from the White Walkers. Jon Snow is just a fragile human- Reborn Jon will be much much more than that.
(If this isn’t the case, then, yeah, GOT sucks)
Indeed! 👏
I’m just glad Satanis Baratheon is dead. I just wish I could have seen the final blow.
He said words without photos of him in skinny jeans. All is well with the world, even for people who don’t have an HBO subscription.
And now his watch has ended.
A stopped watch is still right twice a day.
See, I knew you missed his skinny jeans!
He’s a hipster so it would be an ironic pocket watch
Jon Snow is dead, Jon Targaryen is alive.
^^THIS
Kit has been very vocal about hating the “bird’s nest” on his head, and saying if he didn’t have to play Jon Snow, he’d cut it all off. If he’s not going to be on the show anymore, I expect he’d cut his hair.
I have a new pet resurrection theory: Snow Wight.
One book character who hasn’t shown up in the TV show is Coldhands – a free-willed wight (he has black eyes rather than glowing blue ones). The book hasn’t explained how this can happen, and there must be some narrative reason for GRRM to include it. (Why is one wight intelligent and free-willed when the rest are basically zombies?)
What if the key is warging? If Jon has warged into Ghost, and the White Walkers end up animating his body, could he warg into it and take control? He’d still be dead, but he’d be animate.
It gives a narrative reason for the existence of Coldhands, and sets up a nice parallel between Jon’s “ice” and Dany’s “fire”.
SNOW WIGHT!!!!!!
Don’t make me make a little person joke.
Tyrion will need to get back to the Wall
The issue isn’t that the death was shocking or that Jon died before he got to avenge his family. The reason why people are convinced that Jon can’t really be dead is the dangling thread that L+R=J, and that was brought about by prophecy. It isnt that I’m particularly attached to Jon Snow, but the story as a whole loses a lot without that underlying thread.
But then again, what’s he supposed to say? “Let me resolve that cliffhanger for you now”?
Though either way, does anyone else realize that this means that the Wall is going to come down almost immediately to the Others? Looks like Winterfell is going to be even more important.
Totally agree about WF. But if the WW can’t pass through the wall, how are they going to bring it down? 🙊
Wall is coming down (or magic stops working) because Night’s Watch didn’t stay true (required per Old Nan’s story). But if that’s all it takes, how did it withstand the mutiny that killed Jeor Mormont at Craster’s Keep? Did the wildlings have the horn on HBO or was that just the books?
I got no clue. But the Night’s Watch has clearly decided its purpose is to protect against the wildlings and not against the white walkers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if something happened in the inevitable conflict between the Night’s Watch and the wildlings that are now within the walls. That’s not going to go well.
Wun Wun FTW!
@Size I want to say Sam has mentioned the horn, but I could be making that up.
@size: I’d say that the difference between this and the mutiny at Craster’s was the fact that the Night’s Watch as a whole not only lost faith in Jon, but in refusing to protect the wildlings against the Others went back on thwir duty to protect humanity. They decided the wildlings were their sworn enemy, not the Others.
Wait, is the prophecy of Dany’s from the House of the Undying (or Undead?) about a blue rose growing from a CRACK IN THE WALL? Mutiny against Lord Commander is totally a figurative CRACK IN THE WALL.
Don’t laugh if you all thought of that months ago.
I never really thought about the “crack in the wall” part, actually. It certainly makes sense. But again, this is why I’ll be pissed if Jon is dead – because it will mean a lot pf story just abandoned.
I thought the blue rose was for Lyanna.
I thought the blue rose was for Lyanna, but that’s brilliant Size.
Bridget, my dearest one, Jon is not dead. I promise you.
I thought the blue rose symbolized Lyanna but also her offspring – after all, Rhaegar presented her with the crown of blue roses.
And I’m just hedging my bets, because I wouldn’t put it past either D&D or GRRM to decide that Jon is really dead. I’ve always wondered if it peeved GRRM that everyone just takes it for granted that Jon is one of the heads of the dragon (of course, if you take a couple of decades to write a series can you really complain that people figure stuff out?)
Oh, by Lyanna I meant her offspring too, sorry was rushing on my phone.
@Bridget, I know you don’t like clicking on links, so I won’t post it, but I watched The Best rundown of Azor Ahai and the three heads. It was 14 minutes long (nerd alert) and it totally dissected Stannis, Dany & Jon, and why/why they were not AA. It was fantastic, I mean, we are talking minute details that never even occurred to me (they also briefly touched on Aegon & Tyrion). FWIW I don’t believe the dragon actually has three heads, I totally think it’s a red herring.
HA! Though I should look on westeros.org about Azor Ahai, because now I’m curious.
The only real issue I have with the dragon not actually having 3 heads is the fact that it would leave one of the dragons riderless and uncontrollable, and I have a feeling that they’re going to need all the firepower they can get. Aside from that, I don’t really have any stake in there actually being 3 heads. Though I still can’t get over fake-Aegon. Because if he’s really fake what the hell was the point of hundreds of pages that GRRM could have used on someone else?
I do still love the interpretation of the blue rose growing from the crack in the wall. Very well done Size!
I have an awful time trying to navigate on Westeros.org. Somehow I always wind up muddled in really old threads.
Do you guys remember if Dany’s three treasons were mentioned in the show? Or are they book only. Those are fun speculation.
I’m pretty sure they were mentioned in both books and show. “Blood, gold, and love”
The GoT posts are all jumbled in my brain… didn’t someone propose that Sansa is pregnant and that’s why she suddenly has the courage to run?
Oh god I hope not.
Some of us were speculating on that, but what purpose would it serve? She had the courage to light the candle because the Boltons were distracted, but I think she and Theon only bailed because Myranda went splat. They both knew jumping was a better option than suffering Ramsey’s wrath.
She could be pregnant, but I interpreted it that she saw what he did to Theon and didn’t want it to happen to her.
It could serve a purpose. She’s a Stark, and the world is running out of those. Bran can’t father children (?) and Arya is most likely not into the whole pregnancy thing. And how old is Rickon again?
Remember that scene a long while ago when Cersei told Sansa to mother children, as children are the only reason she has to live? Since then I’ve always thought Sansa won’t leave the show without leaving a little legacy.
@Josefa Ugh, but with Ramsay Bolton? The Bolton bloodline needs to end. The blood is tainted.
Also, Jon is half-Stark, and now that he’s “dead” he can leave the Wall and live a normal life. That’s what I think anyway.
But the Bolton’s might have Knight’s King blood in them, so even tho Ramsey is the last person anyone would want fathering their children, it could actually work out in Sansa and the Stark’s favor.
If she’s pregnant, I’m going on set and giving her moon tea myself.
Jon Snow needs to die so he can be free of his Night Watch vows. Then he will be reborn to fulfill his destiny. Whatever that may be.
I mean who will feed Ghost? Someone has to.
Where was Ghost when Jon was getting attacked? Protecting Sam and Gilly? Hm. Those direwolves never seem to be around when their masters are in trouble.
I think the biggest thing that points to Kit coming back in some way is that he hasn’t cut his hair yet. After all of the complaining he does in interviews about that hair, you just know he’d cut it first thing if he was really released from his contract.
That’s what I kept saying. One interview even mentioned he cut his hair shortly after the interview yet pics are still surfacing with that mop
I don’t think Jon snow is dead either, for the same reasons other posters stated- while he is technically dead, he will be brought back to life. It can’t be coincidence that melisandre is at the wall…
I have a theory about Stanis’ daughter. I agree he didn’t die either, but I am wondering if she will somehow torment him from the afterworld. Sort of like the black smoke that killed his brother. I am having a really hard time with Stanis getting off so easily….I want him to live for awhile so he can pay for what he did to his daughter.
I am also really not happy with having to wait a whole year. Grrrr….why why why? *throws tinfoil hat on the floor and stomps on it*
*picks up crumpled tinfoil hat and smooths it out*
I agree that Stannis can’t get off that easy. He’s got some major atoning to do, and then maybe he can die.
I wouldn’t put it past Dick and Dingleberry to try to keep this charade going for as long as possible, having Kit cut his hair and then just giving him a ratty wig when he starts filming again.
Also (I don’t read the books but hubby does) Melisandre was not at the wall in the books – so they definitely put her there for a reason I agree. It’d not so much that i’m deeply attached to Jon Snow, but the whole thing does feel pretty pointless and one dimensional if he’s actually dead. I just wish his final words had been “I’m a bast-ehd!”, because when he is reborn he won’t be, he’ll be whatever the going mythology is Targarean, Azor Ahai, who knows . I don’t care who she sacrifices to the Lord of Light to bring him back so long as it’s not Ghost! I also do not think Stannis is dead.
Melisandre was at the Wall in the books. But I don’t blame your husband for forgetting that, because the 5th book was pretty bad and I know I only read it once and have gotten a ton of details messed up. Anyhoo, she’s at the Wall and she’s actually talking a lot about sacrificing Mance Rayder’s son (who she refers to as a wildling prince – KING’S BLOOD!) and Jon actually switched out the baby and sent him away when he sent Gilly and Sam away. For what it’s worth, I think this will be when Shireen is killed, as she’s still alive at the Wall in the book.
And I agree with you, because what would be the point of the whole story? It would just be a bunch of awful dudes killing each other.
Ah, I will remind him lol! I know he read it like at least a year ago. The books are so long and crazy I can’t even contemplate remembering half of it! Interesting re: the baby stuff, so I guess that Manse Rayder’s son isn’t in the show? It’s odd though, the whole sacrifice of Shireen, her Dad still needs to be alive to give it any meaning/emotional torture as in the show, it kind of amazes me know how the author is going to have to fill in the blanks, he can’t really go too far off “script” now I guess? Unless he just says “Screw it, I’m writing what I want!” which I think would be kind of awesome because a LOT of the choices they have made this season are pretty opposed/not related to the book from what I gather.
A non-Snow Wight theory my coworker brought up: Cersei’s trial will result in Tommen losing the throne as he is not a legitimate heir; thus, the Tyrells will also have no claim to power and Margaery and what’s-his-face are locked up; power vacuum. Guess who is still in King’s Landing and has already been working with the High Sparrow…….. mimif’s boyfriend, Littlefinger.
If that were tp happen, King’s Lands woi descend into complete chaos, because Cersei isnt going down without a fight.
Also, in all likelihood Margery is at least getting out soon.
Totally on board with that, except LF doesn’t want to be on the Throne. He wants to control the throne.
Who do you think Littlefinger would put on the throne?
I dunno. Paola suggested Sansa and I could see that.
If they didn’t just offer it to Dany, in all likelihood the kingdom would split – Dorne would become independent again, the Iron Islands had already declared themselves separate, the Boltons would take up Robb’s old King of the North post, so then you’d have the Riverlands/Eryie, Casterly Rock, Dragonstone, and of course Highgarden probably under 1 person or maybe a 2nd. So Littlefinger already controls a big piece of that with Riverlands and the Eyrie – if he partnered with the Tyrells he’d be golden and could choose whomever he wanted.
But remember, the War of the 5 Kings decimated the principal families of Westeros – the only remaining heirs are: Willas Tyrell, Tommen Baratheon (which won’t go well, as the Lannister heir, the Baratheon heir, or the King), the Blackfish (who is currently held captive by Walder Frey), Trystane Martell, Robin Arryn, whomever ends up with the North, and then the plethora of Ironborn. There just aren’t that many options.
Isn’t he leading an army up to Winterfell?
Wouldn’t Tyrion inherit the throne? The Baratheons are all dead (let’s assume Stannis is), and he’s the only Lannister who is alive and isn’t the product of incest or perpetrator of it.
Does it work like that or did I get the system all wrong?
I *think* that even though the Lannisters were pulling the strings, they don’t have any rightful claim to the throne. The only true Baratheon is Gendry and he’s a bastard sooo…. I dunno.
Tyrion is wanted for kinslaying. He’s out.
I think the Starks would be next in line but I have no reason to really think that. Maybe because they were wardens of the North? So, Sansa.
Tywin and Joanna had no claim to the throne so there three children don’t either. Tom men’s claim runs through Robert Baratheon. If it is established that he isn’t Robert’s, the legitimate Baratheon line ends. The Starks and Greyjoys never took the throne so they have no claim
Wouldn’t the Tyrell’s get the throne if Tommen pops his glogs?
The throne by rights is Dany’s and if she returns am sure the people will support her – particularly if she has dragons.
@Betti, no because Margaery would be illegitimate as Queen of Tommen was born of incest. So…damnit it’s Dany. OR JONNY SNOW.
There wouldn’t be a real claimant to the throne, so it would essentially be a free for all. But then again, it’s not like Robert Baratheon had much of claim himself. It would be about who could convince any of the remaining powerful houses to follow.
Rhaenerys’s cat has the best claim.
In one article I read, Kit was ‘hurt’ he did’t get a going away present, as seems to be the tradition when a character dies on GoT. I am sure that if he were really leaving the cast would have given him something. Whether he plays a big part in next season’s show is unclear, but I have no doubt he will be back. His story isn’t finished.
I do think/hope Stannis is dead. He failed and made peace with death. His storyline is complete.
Jon is dead – the new person he’ll be will be very interesting! Or creature for that matter. I love his style. Great shoes!!!!!!
well, he’s a warg, so I guess he could be in Ghost.
I stopped watching the show a few seasons ago, so what do I know? I will finish the books, if they ever get finished themselves.
Lady Catlyn came back, and Dondarrion can resurrect, so whatever. It is Dondarrion, right, in the cave fighting the Hound, loses and resurrects?
**goes back to reread the novels again***
Did the show ever leave the tiniest hint about him having any warging abilities?
now that I don’t know, I loathed the show. The books, yes, hinted.
Not on the show. But yes, he does warg in the books. GRRM says all of the Stark children can warg. The show has chosen to make this manifest with Bran.
They also only talk a little bit about the other kids warging in the books – it mostly manifests in wolf dreams for the kids, which doesn’t really make great television.
Azor Ahai.
Just sayin’.
It is known.
HODOR!
BLACK CAT!
Cheez-its and Wun-Wun!
If Jon is really and truly dead and forever gone in the books as well, then its fine because Daenerys is his twin.
Daenerys is younger than he is.
Danaerys is his aunt. She is Rhaegar’s baby sister and Rhaegar’s is supposed to be Jon’s true father.
I hope he’s dead and gone for good and that Lyanna was never his mother. My problem with RL=J is that it is just SO.FAKKING.OBVIOUS. No crap, I’ve seen the tackiest telenovelas pull that crap.
The story on The Wall con go on without him anyway. It won’t end nicely, though. But seriously – if you thought GoT is heading for a happy ending you clearly haven’t been watching the same show I have.
I watched Cersi’s walk and OMG, it’s worse than how it was described in the book. Massive respect to Lena Heady – girl has brass balls to do that. Thou i’m miffed that the showrunners used the ‘C’ word – i understand why but its the only word in the English language that offends me.
This will make Cersi even more unstable – you can see her regret her decision to do the walk as she realises that the people will never ever respect her or the role of Queen again.
I found it so hard to watch, she acted the sh*t out of it, and I can’t help but root for her to wreak horrible vengeance on those nasty nuns and that smug Sparrow! And trust all those who spit on her will be regretting it big time. I foresee much wrath of Cersei, especially when she finds out her daughter is dead!
That bell wringing “Shame!” Septa is so screwed.
I just found this excerpt from GRRM as to the original plot of GoT which was written in Esquire Feb. 2015
That all being said, Martin said he planned on sparing five key characters: Tyrion Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen, and “three of the children of Winterfell, Arya, Bran, and the bastard Jon Snow.” Who knows if that’s still true?
Oh no, Rickon and Sansa!
Granted, he was also initially only going to make it into a trilogy, and we know how that went.
As far as the character Jon Snow knows, Ned Stark is his father. The character does not know all the alternative theories. I assume that Kit is speaking from the perspective of his character.
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