LeAnn Rimes & Eddie spent the weekend in Miami: did they pay for the trip?

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Here are some photos of LeAnn Rimes and Eddie Cibrian in Miami over the weekend. I think the point of their Miami trip was possibly a sponsored appearance at a launch for a line of MAXIM swimwear. It’s widely believed – as in, I believe it – that LeAnn makes a little extra cash on the side by shilling for swimwear and other beach-related companies on social media. She’s constantly tweeting and Instagramming stuff about swimwear, spray tans, razor blades, etc. I believe those are paid endorsements, comparable to the kind of low-end promotional work that Lindsay Lohan gets these days. My guess is that MAXIM swimwear paid for LeAnn and Eddie to fly to Miami for the weekend just to make an appearance at the launch. Free vacation!

These photos are just of Eddie and LeAnn poolside, but I’m including an Instagram of the two of them at the launch below. The Daily Mail also got some pics – go here to see. LeAnn made sure to do some kissy photos with Eddie. Plus, she’s been tweeting and Instagramming about the trip. I hope MAXIM got their money’s worth.

Speaking of LeAnn’s Instagram, a lot of you tweet me about LeAnn’s constant stupidity, specifically with her IGs. LeAnn apparently grabs photos off Pinterest and posts them on IG, like she’s passing this pics off as her own. She also posted-deleted-and-reposted an awkward bikini photo where it looked like she had a stain on her crotch. And she’s also posted some awkward photos of her cleavage. Did I get it all?

Oh, and shockingly the Instagram account belonging to “Eddie Cibrian” hasn’t been shut down. You can see it here. “Someone” added “fp” to the name of the account, which I guess means “someone” is trying to pass it off as a “fan page.” The sad/funny hashtags are gone too – those were done in “Eddie’s voice” as he claimed his wife to the world in a way that could only come from LeAnn’s twisted mind.

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  1. Elisabeth says:

    Eddie and his ‘community dick’ must have been in heaven.

    • jane says:

      oh, my gosh, there’s a picture of Eddie by himself. Run, Leann, run, get in there and grab his hand

  2. SmellyCat says:

    At least she didn’t wear white like she did at last year’s show. Leann should never wear white!!

    • Christin says:

      Apparently she is capable of learning something, because she chose neutral tones (think shart-truse).

    • funcakes says:

      Last years dress was also very revealing to prove she was just as sexy as the women during the runway show. I remember those pictures because Eddie’s eyes were glued to them.
      But of course it backfired because of the STAIN debacle.
      And now well know why Eddie’s been so attentive for the last couple of months. He wanted Leann to take him to the swimwear show so he can slip through models his number.

  3. MrsBPitt says:

    I cannot believe that they are still together…Eddie must have something in the prenup, that says he has to stay married to her for, at least five years, before he gets anything from the marriage…if there is anything left, that is…

    • Why? says:

      This is Eddie’s 3rd vacation in less than 2 months, Leann bought him a Tensile tent before they went to Miami, Kiki is in Miami with Eddie and Leann, and he is at a bikini show where he gets to view and take photos with women who are 10X more attractive than his wife. Eddie is still with Leann because her father and Darrell haven’t gone broke yet supporting him and Leann. As long as Leann still has her father and Darrell to financially support her and Eddie, Eddie isn’t going anywhere.

  4. Kelsey says:

    And Brandi was stumbling drunk out of a club….who was taking care of the kids??

    • Miffy says:

      They’ve probably had themselves emancipated at this point.

    • jenn12 says:

      I’m not sure TMZ is the best source of information.

      • aga says:

        You don’t have to like TMZ but this website is the most reliable of all.

      • jenn12 says:

        Mmm, I don’t know if I agree with you. They are extremely biased, and tend to write in favor of who is paying them or feeding them stories. Their methods are deplorable. And I went to look at the pictures, and she doesn’t seem drunk. She is acting silly, but having seen her drunk photos before, these didn’t give me that vibe. They seem to have just added a caption to go with it. My husband has a big truck like that, and he helps me in when I’m dressed up. She had the prescience to have her friend help her in, and not flash anyone. That’s a tight skirt she has on; I could not get into that truck with it. She tends to act like Miley Cyrus when her picture is taken, and I think it gives people the wrong impression.

    • Ange says:

      A babysitter? I’m sure they weren’t just left to fend for themselves in the woods.

  5. Tate says:

    Still strikes me as strange that any business would want an association with the likes of Rimes.

  6. Maureen says:

    Eddie is one if those guys who loves living the highlife and not give back in the relationship. and Leann is the only one to give it. She will do anything to keep Eddie which is pretty sad when he is with her by default.

    • Kiki04 says:

      Yeah he likely would never get a better option, or atleast anyone with money who he could sponge off of. Kinda like Tori Spelling’s husband.

  7. Sunflower says:

    Her face is hard to look at as much as that big gap between her boobs.

  8. barbarita says:

    I’ve been married for twenty years and my husband and I do not walk around holding hands – I don’t get why celebrities are always holding hands on their strolls.

    Where is new white bikini stained photo?

    • Jayna says:

      We do most of the time when out strolling around. I can’t imagine not. My brother and his wife still do after 15 years together and I think it’s sweet.

    • Jess says:

      I think a lot of celebs do it to help their image, they know the pictures will be all over the place, but I’m sure some do it simply because it’s sweet and they like to show affection. I used to think it was silly to hold hands or show a lot of affection, but now I’m with someone who makes me get it and I love it! We constantly hold hands, even at home we’re physically connected in one way or another, lol, but some people just don’t like it or need it and there’s nothing wrong with that either😄

    • Wren says:

      I think Jess is right and a lot of celebs do it for photo ops. I’m pretty sure Leann does.

      Otherwise it’s a personal preference. My parents have been married almost 50 years and I have NEVER seen them hold hands, while some family friends have been married just as long and they hold hands, cuddle, etc. Whatever, it doesn’t mean anything except that’s just how they roll.

    • funcakes says:

      LeAnn grabs Eddie’s hand when she’s on a pap stroll. Other wise Eddie is walking in front of her while LeAnn is either on her phone or she yapping away while he ignores her. There’s photos of this.

  9. Jess says:

    My god these two vacation more than anyone I know, times 10! No wonder they can’t find decent work, neither wants to put in the effort, but at least she tries with her little gas station concerts, guess she has to keep him happy and pay for everything. She always looks much more into him or like she’s just begging for his attention. I kinda feel bad for her because it’s so obvious he’s playing her like a fool.

    • Jayna says:

      Meh. When they vacation to France or Italy or Amsterdam, etc., with pics, then I will be interested.

    • claire says:

      As I think Jayna is pointing out, they’re not even cool vacations. It’s the lazy choice of Cabo, or its RV trips nearby. If I had $$, I’d be going to interesting places, all over the world. They’re such lazy asses, even their vacation ideas are uninspired.

    • funcakes says:

      It’s funny because Liz and her husband took the big money trip recently, while Le and Edds are taking the travelosity tour.
      I remember the good old days when they use to travel together on those luxurious trips. Now they’re seldom vacation buddies.
      Guess we know who leaked the loan story.

  10. Jane says:

    I’m still trying to figure out what her producer meant in his Tweets to Leann recently:

    i lied again.instead it’s going to be a great great 50 years plus & i’m nt talking music not talking baby i’m talking paradigmal shifts xo

    I just said yesterday its going to be a good good year So sorry that I lied !! It’s going to be a great great decade !!! @leannrimes xo

    A paradigmal shift means a dramatic change in the paradigm of a scientific community, or a change from one scientific paradigm to another or a significant change in the paradigm of any discipline or group.

    WTF??? Is he trying to say Leann is going to spend the rest of her life changing the course of human history by doing something other than pose in bikinis with her mouth hanging open, giving the “stink eye” to any woman who comes close to Eddie or begging for free products? What can she do? She cannot act to save her soul. I know she didn’t have much of an education is starting a new field of expertise is out of the question.

    • Jayna says:

      LeAnn has a producer? I didn’t even think she had a record label she signed to.

      • Jane says:

        The guy’s name is Daryl Brown. He is a friend and helped produce Spitfire. He brags about her often.

    • Surly Monkey says:

      It wouldn’t be the first time he was drinking & tweeting….

      …… allegedly, of course.

      • briargal says:

        Good ole Barrel Clown—-IMO he’s as loony as Leaky! I cannot imagine how being associated with Leaky is ‘helping’ his “career” and reputation????!!!!

    • funcakes says:

      Yeah, he’s another one who tweets like he’s in highschool. Birds of a feather.

    • funcakes says:

      Oh, I forgot to mention they completed the Xmas CD. That’s probably what he was talking about. I think she has a deal with Rhino Records. Are they the same label that use to pump out K-Tel like music in the 70’s?
      And novelty music like “One eyed, one horn,flying purple people eater”? Ahhhhh,the good old days.

    • Insomniac says:

      I believe that means “We’ve got jack and squat lined up for the forseeable future, but maybe this inane babble will make Le’s five remaining fans think otherwise.”

  11. NewWester says:

    In the first photo of Eddie and Leann, there is a weird bruise or maybe it’s a tattoo on Leann’s right arm. Does anyone else notice that?

  12. Christin says:

    If she shills bikinis, fine. Not sure why a company would choose someone who doesn’t appear to have a fan base large enough or in the demographic to support it, but maybe I am missing something.

    However, the shilling celebrity needs to wear a size that fits. She usually looks like Kim K, wearing a bikini at least two sizes smaller than it should be.

    • claire says:

      She begs for free stuff a lot so definitely she shills on IG. I’d guess though that this is a write-off trip – she’ll say it’s ‘research’ for the bikini line she says she’s designing. Last time, her endless tweets of designing meant putting her name on cheap ball caps or whatever, and copying Taylor Swift’s marketing and brand imagery so I highly doubt the designing this time is anything to brag about (won’t stop her though).

      • Christin says:

        Research for the new bikini line as a write off is a plausible theory. Not that much of anything comes out of her creative ventures, such as that leather goods line mentioned a couple of years ago.

        Funny how loving husband can be sure to accompany her on bikini model shows, but seems scarce on most of her less glamorous venue ‘touring’ stops.

    • croissant says:

      Last time I checked her Instagram, she was shilling for pickles..

  13. Why? says:

    What is Leann’s obsession with being Brandi? Leann posted a photo of her and Eddie at the Maxim party on instagram and she tagged it “Love bug”. Someone on twitter pointed out that “love bug” was a morning ritual that Brandi and Eddie did with their kids when they were married that Brandi wrote about in her first book. Why do these blogs keep telling us that Eddie and Leann are happy and in love because they kiss and hold hands(which always looks so fake)when Leann keeps going to Brandi’s twitter account or books for ideas? Leann is in Miami with Eddie and Kiki, why was she more concerned with taunting Brandi by using the phrase “love bug”? Leann is obsessed with being Brandi because Eddie is still obsessed with Brandi. The moments Leann taunts Brandi are the moments when Eddie is paying attention to other women.

    For Eddie, the Miami bikini show is like the show The Bachelor, where Leann is the host who facilitates the meetings with the women. Are we really supposed to think that Eddie hasn’t hooked up or gotten any numbers from any of the models he met at the 3 shows they attended?

    • Why? says:

      The title should be Leann, Eddie, AND Kiki spend the weekend in Miami. Kiki is the new Lizzy. Leann and Eddie would take Lizzy everywhere they went, now it’s Kiki who goes everywhere Leann and Eddie go. Leann tried to hide Kiki’s presence at the Maxim party by trying to pass Kiki off as a fan who was asking Eddie for an autograph(the photo of Leann rolling her eyes as Eddie is laughing). Why go through all the trouble to hide that her assistant is with them in Miami? Leann really is paying attention to what people write about her. This is how you know that Leann is paying the papparazzi to take these photos of her and Eddie because even though Kiki was at the pool both times, 3 bikini shows, and bar with them, there are very few photos of her. In the pool photo from yesterday, you can see Kiki hiding in the background like she was told by Leann to stay out of the papparazzi’s frame.

      • Jessibes says:

        I saw that picture too.

        kiki is Leanns personal assistent. But surely she doesn’t need to go on every holiday with them.

      • funcakes says:

        She goes EVERYWHERE with LeAnn. Everyone jokes that she is LeAnn’s minder/babysitter.

  14. Anon says:

    What if it’s a page made by Brandi just so she knows everyone will talk just as many assume LeAnne made the page…don’t think that is too far out there for either to make the page..lol.. We know Brandi is just as vendictive.

    • Byte Me says:

      I doubt Brandi had anything to do with Ed’s now deleted facebook page. That’s quite a stretch.

    • funcakes says:

      We know LeAnn’s behind it because most of the pictures was of her or mentioned what a beautiful, wonderful wife she is in the captions.

      The funny part is she revised the pages to include more pictures of Eddie and left a series of insults in with last picture of him. She usually delete unfavorable comments.

    • jenn12 says:

      Do you really think Brandi would sit there, taking photos off Leann’s twitter page, and writing hashtags that talked about how much Eddie loves his wife? Seriously?

  15. claire says:

    I really would like to understand her build. Leann is the only woman I’ve ever seen with that pronounced and protruded V in the front, in her abdomen area I guess. And if you look at the recent pics, her whole shoulder, rib cage, torso is super bulky and large, in comparison to her lower half. I’m sure some of it is natural build, like those linebacker shoulders but is the bulking up of those areas due to bad exercise coaching or what? In these recent pics, even her bolt-ons look like they’re being pushed further out and over.

    • Jess says:

      She does have an odd tummy, someone commented on d-listed awhile back saying it looked like she swallowed a tornado, that’s the best description! Lol. She definitely should get her boobs fixed though, they rival Tori Spelling’s for worst boob job ever.

    • burnsie says:

      I read somewhere a long time ago that she had ab implants

  16. Myriam says:

    Does anybody still care about them? They are so irrelevant and boring, I don’t even dislike them anymore. I just didn’t care. I was actually surprised to find an article on them yet NOT surprised there have very little comments which has been happening for quite awhile now. They used to get hundreds of comments, now it’s barely 50. They are officially irrelevant and isn’t that the best karma?

    • Byte Me says:

      Yes indeed. Leann lives for these blogs and the comments on them.

    • funcakes says:

      I believe she reads every last single one.
      In the past the people of the LeAnn board would discuss a subject pertaining to her and we would joke that she will respond via her twitter any second. And she would with minutes.

  17. Why? says:

    If Eddie loves Leann as much as she claims, why oh why does she spend so much time copying other women? Brody Jenner and his girlfriend were also at the Miami bikini show. Eddie must have been flirting with Brody’s girlfriend at the Tori P bikini show because the very next day Leann showed up at the pool wearing the same exact hair style that Brody’s girlfriend wore at the Tori show. Eddie must really hate being married to Leann. She has to spend every moment of her marriage with Eddie pretending to be someone else. She isn’t even subtle about it, but Eddie isn’t subtle about his lust for other women, so why should she be.

    • Maura says:

      Seriously, let it go…

      • Byte Me says:

        Why? Some of us enjoy their comments here.

      • funcakes says:

        Love the comments! Go over to other blogs and read those comments. They are brutal.
        The ladies and gentlemen over her are funny.

    • Why? says:

      Leann just can’t let it go that her husband wants to be with other women. She is stalking Rachell Vallori’s instagram account. 4 days ago, Rachell Vallori stood on a balcony wearing Kiini swimwear for a photoshoot and so today, that is the bikini that Leann is wearing in the photo she posted to instagram. The only difference is that Leann got the bikini in black. The odd thing about Leann’s bikini is how poorly they fit her. It’s like Leann is asking Eddie to pick who looks better in the bikini, her or Rachell. Since Eddie didn’t pick Leann, Leann paid blogs and tabloids to gush over her “hot” body in the black bikini. Leann needs to just let it go. Miranda and Blake couldn’t keep up the charade, Leann just needs to follow their lead and divorce Eddie.

      It also seems like Leann is competing with Miranda and Blake for space on the blogs and tabloids. Leann is calling every blog and tabloid having them run the pool photos from yesterday and then she gets on twitter to send the blog a thank you for posting the photos and complimenting her body. Why does she need this much validation if she is getting love and attention from Eddie like she claims?

  18. Jess says:

    I just checked her Instagram page and in one of the bikini pics she posted the floor is completely warped beneath her legs…she used that thinning app to make her legs look better and it’s so obvious, can’t believe she hasn’t been called out on that.

    • Jane says:

      @Jess, you are totally correct. I can see the distortion on the tiles. Someone needs to call her out on it. However, she will just insist the person cornering her will be a “jealous hater”. For as long as this woman lives she will never, ever admit she does anything wrong.

      • Byte Me says:

        Leann deletes comments that aren’t flattering her.

      • Jane says:

        @Byte Me. She lives and breathes for people to idolize and compliment her. Even her ex, Dean made a mention similar to this. I am having visions of the movie “A Few Good Men” where Tom Cruise yells, “I want the truth!” and Jack Nicolson’s character retaliates by saying, “You can’t handle the truth!!!” Leann cannot handle anything negative said about her.

        Awwww, where is Jack when you really need him to lay down some snark on Leann???

    • illandri says:

      Why can’t I figure out which picture you’re referring to?!

      • claire says:

        I think they mean the one that is her standing in a doorway. I don’t know if that’s the tile though. I can see the wave in it but it’s laying OVER the track of the door which doesn’t make sense. Perhaps the warp people are seeing is actually a towel?

      • Jess says:

        If you look at her Instagram it’s the 3rd or 4th picture in, she’s wearing a bikini and saying something about being half zebra, look at the lower portion of the picture near her legs, the floor or towel is warped in a way that makes me think she thinned out her legs and forgot to use a neutral background so people don’t notice, lol. Lindsay Lohan has been busted multiple times thinning her waist or plumping up her butt!

      • funcakes says:

        I was just thinking LeAnn was starting to resemble Lindsay with all the strange bruising and marks on her legs. And the bad extensions, the far away glazed over look, the bad Photoshops, the questionable entourage, the dwindling fortune, the failure to repay people they owe,crapping on people who give them second chances, the sense of entitlement……

  19. Jane says:

    I think the only reason why Eddie was at these fashion shows were to see his favorite model, Rachell Valori, the same model he met last year at the Luli Fama show. She walked the Tori Pravor show. He had to be in heaven.

  20. why? says:

    Leann is still on the staged photo-op binge. 10 minutes after Kiki posted a photo of the pool to her instagram and twitter account, Leann posted that it was too hot for clothes and then she posted a photo of herself in a bikini with a cup of alcohol in her hand. One thing is for sure, Eddie isn’t taking those photos of Leann. Kiki is. Kiki is rebelling, she wants everyone to know that even though you aren’t seeing her in the staged photo-ops with Leann and Eddie that she is there with them.

    Rachell Vallori was also at the Acacia show. Leann was so insecure that she hired make-up artists to do her make-up for the Acacia show, Kiki posted a photo of them doing Leann’s hair and make-up before the show. Someone pointed out that after Rachell posted a photo of herself at the Mikoh show on Friday that Leann started tweeting to Mikoh and posting the bikinis she bought from them and telling them that she was sorry for missing their show. Eddie must have been very upset about missing the Mikoh show because he really wanted to see Rachell.

    Now it makes so much more sense why Eddie has been exercising and working out lately(Leann posted the photo of Eddie showing off his muscles and then there was the staged photo-op of Leann and Eddie coming out of a gym), it was because he was preparing his body for the models. Why does Leann go on with the lie? Eddie’s only motivation to get in shape wasn’t for his wife, but for the models he was going to meet while in Miami.

    • funcakes says:

      I the pictures in the Daily Mail where she has the alcohol sweats while sitting with Eddie at the bar. She looked like his mom there was instead of his wife.

      If she not pooping herself she has the sweats all while trying to look as sexy as the other ladies. Give it up girl.

  21. Donna says:

    She uses apps to correct and manipulate her own photos. The natural Pap photos are always pretty unflattering. it is like two different people.

  22. croissant says:

    Eddie’s instagram account that suddenly became a fan page is quite sad. I really thought it wasn’t her until the hashtags disappeared

  23. Christin says:

    Let’s face it, these two are going to face the test of time —- like Blake and Miranda.

    • funcakes says:

      Goodness, I just read that. They’ve been separated for months. I read HE filed for divorce and that she broke down in tears. The Voice gave him more exposure to flirt and to feed into his ego.
      I also thought about Eddie who only wish for a well paying gig so he can file his own paperwork.

      • Christin says:

        It didn’t surprise me that he is the one who filed. Just from what little I’ve read about them, she seems more into him than vice versa, plus the cheating rumors.

        Eddie seemed like he was finally trying to land a steady gig, but now I wonder if they really do owe out the wazoo and are being forced to pay it back soon. Another completely random thought I had is, what if WeWe starts pursuing Blake in some way (to appear on the Voice, do a ‘duet’ or who knows what) to elevate her own relevance?

        Crazy thought I know, but look at who we are talking about.

  24. funcakes says:

    Yeah, the people other there treat like she the next coming of Maddona. Especially the ones that read her Chalk Talk. Everyday they tweet about living to read her tweets. Some of them think she’s the original author.
    But 90% of the time their just trying to get something free.

    On Instagram she deletes the unfavorable comments. On twitter you can still see the taunts. But she never see the haters y’all. All the while getting into arguments with them.

  25. Blackbetty says:

    This Kiki woman must be a glutton for punishment! Wouldnt follow these two around, even if i was paid too.

    • Christin says:

      Paid Sanity Companion is my favorite description of her role (from someone on these threads long ago).

  26. Frank Gallagher says:

    Leann got too skinny like his ex.

    • Jane says:

      Actually, she’s been skinnier-almost skeletal back in the early days of her “relationship” with Eddie.

  27. funcakes says:

    Well, her mother is undergoing an operation today. Of course LeAnn being LeAnn is asking for prayers.
    She never tweeted a mother’s day message to her but she’s trying to get sympathy for herself by using her mother’s medical condition.
    Sad.

    • Jane says:

      She did this at exactly the same time her two biggest fans posted issues on Twitter. The girl with the foot problem is putting her dog down today and the other fan has her daughter in the hospital. Both contacted Leann for sympathy and Leann of course had to “suddenly” bring this issue up.

      If she is making this operation up to gain sympathy or is telling the truth she is screwed both ways. If a parent is having surgery why on earth would she go to Miami to pose in bikinis ? If two fans are asking for sympathy, why state that a loved one is in the hospital and NOT be there for her? Leann didn’t wish her mother a Happy Mother’s Day…why ask for sympathy for her now?

      • Christin says:

        There are people who have to trump others, no matter what. Her mother could be having a mole removed, for all anyone knows.

      • Jane says:

        @Christin You are exactly right. Of course Leann is totally silent about it today. All she is complaining about is being tried and on a plane. Cue pap pictures at LAX soon. She’ll be grinning ear-to-ear in some get-up.

  28. Why? says:

    If your mother is having surgery would you be on instagram bragging about how bouncing in a tent with another woman’s kids is helping you keep your mind off your mother’s surgery? Leann’s mother is sick, so what’s the first thing she does? Invites the papparazzi to the airport. Tweet about and post photos of Jake and Mason. Her first thought isn’t to be at the hospital with her mom, but to post photos of her, Eddie, and Jake playing around in the tent she bought Eddie 2 weeks ago and then chastise Mason for not wanting to get in the tent with them. It didn’t end there. After all the tweets she did about Mason’s 12th birthday, today she tweeted that Mason was 11. When someone pointed out that Mason was 12, she started making excuses about how she forgot that Mason was 12. Her mother is having surgery, why was she even on instagram tweeting about forgetting how old her stepson was? Someone pointed out something very interesting, if Eddie was in the tent with Leann because they are all in the tent tumbling, then why didn’t Eddie correct Leann? It’s like they got in the tent, took the photos, and then Eddie left.

    Someone found photos of Eddie and Leann at the Acacia show. The photos are so funny. During the entire show, Leann is holding Eddie’s hand and it looks so awkward. It’s like Eddie was trying to pull away from Leann, but she wouldn’t let go of his hand. He is holding Leann’s hand, but he is totally disengaged. The look on Eddie’s face as the women are walking on stage. You know he is thinking, why can’t Leann look like that. Miami Swim Week was really, Find Eddie a new girlfriend week.

    • Jane says:

      I LOVED how Brandie told Leann off on Twitter. Mason has Leann’s number and doesn’t want to be part of her charade, Jake is a ham, still too young to under and loves having his picture taken, so I can’t fault him. He’ll learn soon enough.

  29. My Two Cents says:

    Geez they both look awful in that last pic. Eddie does not have any hotness left whatsoever! He looks cross eyed in that pic. Leann’s tucked in shirt in the front and out in the back disturbs me! She does that with every shirt she wears. Every time I see a pic of him first word comes to mind is bum! Don’t know why anybody would want either of them connected to their brand. If anything, they hurt sales.