Sean Penn sues Lee Daniels for saying he’s the same as Terrence Howard

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Last week’s issue of The Hollywood Reporter featured a big cover story on the cultural/ratings juggernaut that is Empire. Everybody’s thrilled about Season 2, and there’s a lot of pressure to keep the storytelling and the quality at the same level. The biggest problem might be Empire’s lead, Terrence Howard. Howard is not only Code Red Batsh-t Insane, but he’s also a violent sociopath who has brutally, physically assaulted a half-dozen women (that we know of). As Empire heats up, many wonder if Howard will be able to continue to play at this level, given his history of being a violent predator. So, during the Hollywood Reporter profile, THR brought up the Howard conundrum with Lee Daniels, Empire’s creator. As THR writes, the whole cast was told to not say anything about Howard to the press, but Daniel “can’t help himself” and this is what he said:

“That poor boy,” he says, fiercely protective of his actor. He then alludes to other actors who have been the subject of domestic abuse allegations in the past. “[Terrence] ain’t done nothing different than Marlon Brando or Sean Penn, and all of a sudden he’s some f—in’ demon,” says Daniels. “That’s a sign of the time, of race, of where we are right now in America.”

[From THR]

While I think there’s a legitimate discussion to be had about how the media and the audience treats white abusers versus black abusers, I think anytime you say “hey, Sean Penn did the same thing,” your argument sort of falls flat. But now there’s a new wrinkle… Sean Penn didn’t like the fact that Lee Daniels made this comparison. So Penn is suing Daniels. Er…?

Sean Penn has filed a $10 million defamation lawsuit against Empire creator Lee Daniels. The complaint, filed Tuesday in New York Supreme Court, asserts that in Daniels’ recent interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Penn was falsely accused of hitting women by being likened to Empire star Terrence Howard.

Penn has retained former federal prosecutor Mathew Rosengart, who declined to comment but referred THR to the first paragraph of the complaint, which states, “As a result of Penn’s status as a public figure, he has for years been the subject of scandalous, scurrilous, and baseless attacks. But Penn, like any citizen, has a right to defend himself and will no longer tolerate the reckless and malicious behavior of others, who seek to aggrandize themselves or their projects at his expense. Accordingly, and because of Daniels’ defamatory statements, Penn brings this action for monetary relief, and to deter Daniels and others from their defamatory actions.”

In his complaintPenn nods to reports that Howard has publicly admitted to physically abusing women and says that Daniels’ statements are “egregious” on several levels, including that Daniels, who co-created the Fox hit series Empire and scored an Oscar nomination for directing Precious, appears to acknowledge Howard’s guilt and “also seems to condone Howard’s reported misconduct.”

Penn thinks it’s improper that Daniels came to Howard’s defense as “apparently part of a misguided campaign to profit and further bolster and brand his show Empire (on the eve of the Emmy Awards, when the statements were made).”

“Third, and most problematic,” continues the lawsuit, which mentions Penn’s accolades, including Oscar wins for Milk and Mystic River and charitable endeavors, “Daniels falsely equates Penn with Howard, even though, while he has certainly had several brushes with the law, Penn (unlike Howard) has never been arrested, much less convicted, for domestic violence, as his ex-wives (including Madonna) would confirm and attest.”

[From THR]

*deep breath*

After Sean Penn hit Madonna with a baseball bat in 1987, she refused to press charges even though she had to be hospitalized. She refused, it was said, because Penn was already facing a jail sentence for assaulting an extra. In December 1989, he broke into Madonna’s Malibu home, tied her to a chair and assaulted her and terrorized her for nine hours. When she finally got away from him, she went straight to the nearest sheriff’s office and Penn was investigated and charged with felony domestic assault. Once again, Madonna asked that the charges be dropped. This is all part of a public record, well documented even now. So while it’s technically true that Penn has never been convicted for domestic violence, that’s not the same as saying he’s never assaulted a woman. Besides, I’d be very interested to hear why Charlize Theron decided to ghost him so hard.

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  1. Cassie says:

    Madonna should testify about the time Sean hit her in the head with a baseball bat or when he tied her up for 9 hours until she escaped. He is sick. And very abusive.

    • Matador says:

      I’m not sure she’d be eager to – hasn’t she somewhat romanticized her relationship with Penn, to the point where some observers think she’s still in love with him?

      • Alexandra says:

        She even recently posted an instagram picture of the two, in a rather intimate setting, “remembering the old times”.

      • Matador says:

        Yeah, that’s the stuff I was thinking of – I think she’d be a hostile witness for the defense.

      • Jayna says:

        Sean was just at her new concert which only just opened a few shows ago, which is amazing by the way, and he was beaming watching her perform. It was in Madison Square Garden about a week ago that he was photographed there. They are still friendly. He had his daughter with him.

      • Kitten says:

        @Jayna-I believe that was the same concert where she told a “cute” anecdote about Penn yelling at her for wearing an outfit onstage that was “too revealing”.

        It honestly does feel like she romanticizes what was clearly an abusive relationship.

      • Neah23 says:

        I agree that she’s still in love with him and I’m guessing that he ended the relationship and not her. It’s really sad that Maddon is letting someone like that back into her life and around her daughters.

      • Cindy says:

        It really does seem that way doesn’t it?

      • Andrea says:

        It saddens me that she would romanticize such a violent man.

      • justagirl says:

        Yes, romanticized is it exactly. Maybe he can be nice & caring at times…but that doesn’t excuse abusive behavior. This is textbook, how someone who’s been abused re-frames the person to not just see the good, but to ignore/overlook/excuse the horrifically bad.

        Side note….even “only” emotional and/or verbal abuse is just as bad as violent behavior. And that’s why so many women stay with guys who show repeatedly that they are not worthy…it’s an abusive relationship, and it’s too personally threatening to actually see the abuse for what it is.

    • denisemich says:

      Sigh. I have to say that I feel this is about prejudice. Seems Penn is saying how dare this black gay casting director now mediocre director talk about me, a two time oscar winner. I don’t even think Penn realizes that is why he is so mad.

      Madonna needs to really think about how she wants to proceed. She is sending a larger message.

      There were also rumors that he punched Robin Wright prior to their wedding.

      • Rebecca says:

        I agree. How can Sean Penn sue or even be insulted by what was said when there is evidence he has done the same. Sean Penn continues to be admired and win awards while hollywood criticizes Terrence Howard. Personally, I think Terrence Howard is the better actor and deserves the awards. What can it be other than racism?

        There are also rumors Sean Penn was violent with Charlize Theron. Why did she break up with him so quickly without notice? You can’t sue for defamation and win if what a person says about you is true.

    • Shambles says:

      Honestly, I had never read the details of her assualts until today. I need to hug my cat now. That’s heavy stuff. It adds a different layer to the way I see Madonna.

      • Mimz says:

        I hear you, Shambles, I only knew about the baseball bat thing and it made me despise him, but i never heard of the whole story. This is horrible. And sad.

    • robynsing says:

      Lee Daniels defends Howard by saying “others have beaten women too” WTF!? In 1989 there was no internet or TMZ. Luck of the draw beetch. Lee Daniels deserves to be sued for his comments and he would lose at trial, but he will settle instead at the behest of his attorneys

      • Neah23 says:

        Why would he lose at a trail?

        What does “In 1989 there was no internet or TMZ.” have to do with anything?

      • Corrie says:

        This doesn’t make any sense. You do realize back then it was reported everywhere. Not on social media but it definitely was in the news, gossip mags and places like ETonight etc. The major difference from then to now is in 1985/1987/1989… Stars were treated like true royalty and their actions weren’t persecuted in the court of public opinion. Sean was protected because in the late 80s he was a moviestar with a rockstar wife and they were kept on a pedestal, no one wanted to truly believe he was assaulting her or deal with it. And as big as Madonna was back then in the height of her fame, she didn’t feel supported enough to come forward. He beat her, abused alcohol and she still felt the need to help protect him. Similar to Terrence Howards wife. Social media changed a lot, but also the times have changed. Women suffering with physical assault is discussed publicly. Sean clearly doesn’t recognize how lucky he is he didn’t commit these crimes now bc its a whole new ballgame. That is the only difference. Time.

    • Samtha says:

      As someone whose husband is involved with a defamation case right now, I can only say: oh boy.

      Does Penn realize the kind of dirt they can dig on him in discovery? He’ll have to be deposed and they can question him about every single relationship he’s had, and he has to answer truthfully. They can subpoena Madonna and every single person he’s dated. Everything from his emails to text messages will be discoverable.

      It’s almost impossible for public figures to win defamation cases like this, and it’s literally impossible for Penn, since truth is an absolute defense in defamation cases.

      What is this guy thinking?

      • ohplease says:

        I’ll take Brando and Penn vs Howard. Daniels should settle asap.

      • noway says:

        One more caveat, if you are a public figure as Penn is you have to prove that the accuser intended to inflict harm by this revelation and caused damages. Since this story has been out there through various media for decades without Sean Penn ever suing and setting the record straight, Daniel’s lawyers could say Daniels was just repeating media stories. Also why would Sean sue Daniels now when these stories have been out for so long. In addition as opposed to a media outlet, Daniel’s didn’t make any money off of the story, and not sure how repeating a story that has been in the media as long as this causes Sean any damages. He just seems like a jerk. If it upset him so sue the National Enquirer or others 20 years ago. What dumb dumb lawyer took this case, and hope they got a large retainer and Sean loses lots of money. No way this story defamed Sean Penn that was done years ago, and now he just looks stupid.

  2. Luca76 says:

    Sean needs to STFU he knows damn well what he did to Madonna. And while he may not be as loopy and incoherent as Terrence Howard I’m willing to bet he has had other domestic violence incidents more recently that he was able to get away with.

    • Tulip Garden says:

      I agree and I hope Lee Daniel’s has stellar attorneys that bring out all the “incidences” that Penn has been involved with. I even hope they call “hostile” witnesses if need be. Also, Howard and all “poor boys” like him can f*ck off along with their defenders!

  3. Alexandra says:

    Wait, so just because Sean Penn did the same thing, should we just pretend that everything is unicorns and rainbows? I loathe it when people try to justify other people’s vile behavior by saying that they are not the only ones who did it, as if it makes it any less wrong. It’s like saying: hey, I killed someone, but I am not a demon, because millions did the same and some even received a shorter sentence. And if others sadly got away with it, it shouldn’t be taken as a pass for his own actions. Well sorry, all these people who engage in domestic abuse ARE demons in one way or another and not just ‘poor boys’. While there is a discrepancy regarding the media treatment of the abusers due to race, it doesn’t change what Terrence did. The consequences of an action might differ (if we are to take Marlon and Terrence, for instance), but this doesn’t undermine the gravity of the action itself.

    And Sean Penn, WTF?!? Did he wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

    • MAM says:

      Totally YES¡¡ you are totally right¡¡ My guess is that, knowing next year he has his movie with Charlize coming out, he wants to clear the path. Also, or maybe, since Charlize dumped him?¡ he is having trouble finding a steady girlfriend because of his temper. He wants to clear that too. Anyhow he just open the Pandora box, it is like when Ben Affleck´s people said the only thing he wants is that Jennifer is happy. Well….if you haven´t put it out so hard on the nanny (and others), she would have been happy¡¡¡
      PS. Maybe I should erase the Affleck comment, he may sue me for saying he is a cheater¡¡¡

    • Jayna says:

      I agree. As a woman, the tone of Lee Daniels’ remarks really struck a nerve with me, defending an abuser in the way he did.

      To me, anyway, when you talk about Marlon, that was a different time. You’re talking decades. And how is it different really? Terrence is a violent man, admitted abuser in interviews much less, and he is very successful. I don’t see it affecting his career. He’s at a career high right now. He was even one of the people handing out an Emmy on TV the other night.

      His craziness isn’t even affecting his career.

      • crtb says:

        Jayne ITA – so much so, that I am thinking about not watching the show. Defending TH is like saying give Bill Cosby a break because what he did was no worse than Roman Polanski.

      • MAC says:

        With me it is. I am only one person but I do not go near anything either of these two do.
        I also understand what you are saying that people are still watching it and you are spot on.

      • Wren33 says:

        This is what I don’t get when people complain about Chris Brown and Terrence Howard. While I completely believe that the media and white society comes down harder on black celebrities, I don’t see their careers suffering. Didn’t Chris Brown win a Grammy? Howard’s career seems to be doing well. They are being criticized, but so is Sean Penn whenever his name comes up, and they are being criticized for incidents that have happened very recently and are fresh in the public’s mind. Maybe because I read Bloom County and am old, but Sean Penn’s rage incidents were certainly reported/mocked at the time. But I do think his assault on Madonna would have been handled much differently and much more seriously now.

    • Div says:

      It amazes and sickens me that domestic abuse allegations are taken so lightly in the media. Look at the fuss over Charlie Sheen’s drug abuse and nasty comments and virtually zip on him being an abusive partner. Abuse is not only breaking the law but hurting another person, but instead the media was all like “what crazy things did Charlie say…and what drug is he on?”

    • Alexandra says:

      And truth is, Terrence is getting away with it as well. It’s not like these revelations are destroying his career (although he should take a hit) or that he can’t find work anymore because people know he’s an abuser. So what does Lee actually mean when he say ‘poor boy’?? What consequences is Terrence suffering? Internet bashing? So do the rest of 99%. ‘Poor’ how?

      And Sean is shooting himself in the foot – I don’t know what he is trying to gain. It’s not like when Leo sues all those publications over the Rihanna “pregnancy”, because, you know…Sean and Terrence are in fact the same.

      Also, Marlon lived in a time where it wasn’t the case that anything you said might have been used against you on the Internet. I doubt he would have escaped criticism – it’s just that people had less channels to vent out their complaints and maybe even less access to such information. It’s not that people were more willing back then to give them a pass (or at least that’s what I would like to think), but they weren’t able to be as vocal as they are today about these issues.

      Yeah, he handed an Emmy, giving Taraji a creepy-as-hell kiss and interrupting her. I wonder how do all these actresses find the strength to work with a guy who might go home after shooting and beat the crap out of their partners. It must be frightening.

      • Matador says:

        Taraji has been a very vocal defender of Howard before, though – just this past summer, no less. In fact, she sounded quite a bit like Daniels in taking a “everyone does bad stuff” line of defense:

        “Let’s pop the trunk to your life and see what’s dysfunctional and what’s bad…”

        “At the end of the day, we’re all human and we got flaws and we got s**t.” I just know him. We trust each other.”

      • Alexandra says:

        Ugh! Expected more of her! Yes, we are humans, we got flaws…but for every action, there is an reaction. It’s called consequence.

      • Jayna says:

        Alexandra, great post.

      • ag-noose says:

        Brando isn’t here to defend himself and Penn is an easy target with all the internet gossipers going after him for years now. But when the fog of all the libel of the internet cowards melts away, Daniels will lose this lawsuit and should settle now.
        Bet he does.

    • Kitten says:

      I completely 100% agree.

    • I Choose Me says:

      I couldn’t agree more.

  4. NewWester says:

    If this proceeds to court, could Madonna, Robin Wright, Charlize Theoron be called to testify? This could get messy for Sean Penn

    • Jayna says:

      There has never been any evidence Sean has hit Robin Wright nor Charlize. I think he’s still a temperamental man and difficult. That doesn’t mean he ever hit these two women.

      I think this was a mistake to bring to court because of what went down with Madonna, which was physical abuse. HIs being a drunk doesn’t excuse that back then..

      • Saywhatwhen says:

        This is the purpose of calling those women in for a deposition. To find out. Evidence or no the defense can call them as part of their strategy to get Penn to drop the case.

      • Matador says:

        It probably will not get that far. The bar for defamation is very high in general, and as Penn is a public figure, he has to prove not only that Daniels knew what he was saying was false, but also that Daniels acted with actual malice.

      • Luca76 says:

        I highly suspect that there was abuse in the RW SP relationship. The biggest red flag to me is that she sacrificed her career to be with him even though she was in huge hits and was expected to be a big star, also they were on again off again, and he’s very publicly verbally abused her in interviews. Reading the account of what he did to Madonna (including sexual assault) that kind of behavior doesn’t just go away.

      • Samtha says:

        They can subpoena all his exes. His voice mails, emails and text messages will all also be discoverable, if it gets that far.

  5. anniefannie says:

    I can’t believe Penn doesn’t realize this will open any/all exploits in the discovery phase! They will be able to supena Madonna, Theron and most problematic Right Penn. what could he be thinking?

  6. Ally8 says:

    No one looks wonderful here. Lee Daniels does that creepy logic twist where a man’s career trumps his violence against a woman.

    Sean Penn is sorely misguided with this lawsuit, which will serve merely to refresh people’s memory of what he did — which is a good thing, because people are less tolerant of spousal abuse than they were 20+ years ago.

    • Alexandra says:

      That actually reminds me of the campus rape case, where some people had a tendency to blame the victim rather than the villains, just because they were ‘athletes with a bright future’. People were actually sorry FOR THEM instead of feeling for the girl who went through such a traumatic experience. Terrence is just a poor boy. Lee’s statement is downright problematic and it invalidates any point he tried to make about the representation of the POC in the media. It’s sad that such an important aspect of the conversation is getting buried underneath his unreasonable defense of Terrence.

      But it would be interesting to see if he inadvertently created a sh-tstorm of consequences for Sean Penn.

      • Korra says:

        I mean are you guys really surprised that people defend guys like that? Even last week Matt Damon was defended for being a good egg and coming from a noble family. I’m not dumb. The situations aren’t directly comparable, but you’ll see how often men especially are given this defense. It’s not impossible that people would use that defense for even worse cases. We do this crap all the time. Instead of looking at the actions we get so emotionally attached that we defend someone for incredibly heinous things. That’s a HUGE issue with how people blame and attack. It’s easier to blame the victim because people feel the victim is forcing them to look at the realities of someone they hold on a pedestal.

        I hate that defense a lot. Yes, people can come from good families and be “good” eggs and capable of reform. But no. You shouldn’t let that be a reason for why you diminish someone’s horrific crime and not let them face consequences at all.

    • Andrea 1* says:

      Exactly what was he thinking…?. he should have just let sleeping dogs lay…. im so disappointed in lee daniels NEVER LIKED HIM anyway….. so he sees nothing wrong with what terrance did simply because others did it and no one talked….I bet even terrance howard wouldnt be liking all these right now…. The attention this whole thing is getting isnt pleasant for all three of them..

  7. kay says:

    Penn like every men in Hollywood thinks he’s untouchable and unfortunately that’s the truth that’s why he is doing this. Just look at the perverts Allen and Polanski.
    Or that asshole director David O’Russell who loves abusing actresses and they keep working with him because they want their Oscars.

  8. Bridget says:

    Wouldn’t Sean have to prove that Lee Daniels knowingly made false statements in order to sue for defamation?

    • WR says:

      I was wondering about that as well. From what I understand defamation is knowingly making a false claim. If Daniels believes his claims are true it’s not defamation.

      • pleaseicu says:

        The truth is a complete defense in a defamation case. All Daniels would have to do is get a copy of police reports of the time they had to deal with Penn beating Madonna. Then it seems like it would be game over for Penn.

      • Bridget says:

        Supposedly even TMZ can’t find any legal paperwork at all (filings, arrests, nothing) about the Madonna incident.

    • Talie says:

      He probably just wants to force him to make a smaller donation to his Haiti charity.

    • noway says:

      Yes and they would also have to prove damages. While the truth is one defense, you may not need that. The reality is this story has been out there for a long time and Sean never sued anyone before this. Why Daniel’s and why now? How would Daniel’s know for sure that the media stories weren’t true? I think you could make a pretty good case that if Sean was defamed it was a long time ago and not by Daniel’s and his not going after the others for decades makes it seem true. That is even if you can’t find anything about him beating his wives or girlfriend. Plus you can find plenty of beating of paparazzi and then maybe you could say Daniel’s got confused, because he knew Sean had been arrested for assault.

  9. FarmGrrrl says:

    There is absolutely differential treatment for white abusers vs abusers if color in keeping with societal oppression, but I’m VERY disappointed in Lee Daniels because his sympathies clearly lie with Howard, who IS INDEED a demon! However, it’s mighty rich that walking anger-management issue Penn is suing, given that he may have never been convicted, but abuse clearly did happen, and I’m sure not just to Madonna. Seems like it opens a funky can of worms for him, considering his past actions. Interestingly, he kind of proved Daniels point in filing the lawsuit, though. Seemingly bulletproof, entrenched, award-winning white actor (who has had few legal or career-related consequences for his violent behavior of many kinds) has the clout, money, and hubris to try to whitewash his past. Nothing to see here, folks!

  10. jinni says:

    Why didn’t he sue Madonna’s brother when he brought it up that book he wrote? Why didn’t he sue when Buzzfeed brought up his history of abuse in Feb of this year? If he’s so upset about having this heinous rep why not sue all of those people that are keeping those alleged lie about him alive?

    Lee, Penn, and Howard are all scum and should be known as such henceforth and forever more as being low lives.

    • Andrea 1* says:

      Lee, Penn, and Howard are all scum and should be known as such henceforth and forever more as being low lives.

      As a matter of fact your whole comment is everything!

      • jinni says:

        Thanks.

      • noway says:

        I agree with you mostly, but I think Lee Daniels is in a different category than the two men who committed the act. We need to stop putting the stupid supporters in the same category as the abuser. It’s not the same thing to support as it is to commit the abuse. When we do that we minimize the act, but still Daniels shouldn’t have said it.

    • Neah23 says:

      Yes it’s very strange that he didn’t sue anyone else for making similar remarks, but is going after Daniels. I wonder if he trying to get back with Madonna?

    • Chinoiserie says:

      Maybe because Daniels works in the film industry and he thinks this could hurt his job opportunities if other people in the industry start thinking this way? Or because people have started to pay attention more to what Penn did recently? I do not know either.

      • jinni says:

        He’s probably really is only going after Lee because Penn’s seen what happened to Cosby, who like Penn had a rep but was able to go decades without it affecting his career only for his past to just recently rear it’s ugly head and bite him in the butt. If there wasn’t this new atmosphere of old transgressions being brought to light in the media to the public and these guys actually having their images get messed up because of their behavior I don’t think Penn would really care about what Daniels said.

  11. Div says:

    Penn is an idiot of epic proportions. Defamation lawsuits are EXTREMELY hard to win when it comes to being a public figure. If anything, this is the Barbara Streisand effect where something that has more or less been buried is going to come spilling out into the open and spread rapidly because of social media and the internet. The cops have a police report and the documents are out there, this isn’t just a “rumor,” and the police report details the extensive injuries. The only reason he wasn’t charged is because Madonna withdrew her complaint. It amazes and appalls me that she romanticizes the past. It’s one thing to forgive and move on, another to romanticize it.

    As far as Lee Daniels, he’s an idiot who made a stupid argument but I get what he was trying to say even if it made me shake my head with the “poor boy” schtick. There are a fair amount of violent abusers in Hollywood, and Daniels is basically saying Howard should be able to work if those other abusive people can and that the media is holding Howard to a different standard by questioning the fact that he keeps getting hired. Essentially, I “think” Lee is trying to argue that the media separates the art from the artist in most cases but not in the case of Terrence and there’s a racial element.

    • yael says:

      i’m curious what the “streisand effect” is. i’ve never heard of it before – what happened there?

      • Ronda says:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

        “The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet.”

        to sum up the story behind it: a photographer took pictures of homes and Streisand sued for violation of privacy. the irony there was that people then knew it was her house, they did not know before so it attracted way more people to look at it. it backfired.

    • Pinky says:

      Agree all the way around. Charlie Sheen abuses, shoots, threatens, impregnates, drugs up, and beats his wives/girlfriends and gets rewarded with a new series (Anger Management on FX). It’s gross all around. Why do some people get a pass and others get their past (or present) spotlighted in every headline (metaphorically). I’d be happy if they all got parentheticals or at least links to their past behavior so people can be informed, educated consumers of content.

      • Amber says:

        I’m honestly struggling to think of someone who hasn’t gotten a pass. Last I checked Mike Tyson is a teddy bear, getting movie cameos and one-man shows. Chris Brown’s performing at the Grammys. Howard is presenting at the Emmys. Sure we may side-eye, criticize or be disgusted by these people. But it hasn’t affected their bottom line. What person with a career to start with has been ruined by something like this? Not Sheen, not Penn, not Dr. Dre, not Sean Connery…

      • Kitten says:

        Agreed, Amber. Hell even R Kelly is still making music…

  12. bored says:

    Lee Daniels needs to cough up money and shut the hell up. He is going after a white guy for actions 25 years ago and a DEAD guy for the same, but oh yeah everybody else is a racist if his creepy star gets cuffed and judged for repeat actions in the last 5. Yeah, surrrre.

    • Neah23 says:

      😩😫😖

    • alice says:

      how on earth such a vile crime like DV could be more or less despicable wether it happened 5, 10 or 50 years ago? So a women beater gets away with it it if happened a number of years ago that you retain it could be forgiven and forgotten? This is crazy and just stupid.

  13. Saywhatwhen says:

    Penn’s lawsuit suggests to me he is a sociopath. He feels no remorse for tying Madonna to a chair with an electrical cord, face slapping/punching her and then forcing her to perform sexual acts (rape!) …for 9 hours!! Just because she did not want the DA to follow through with the case does not equal it did not happen. It happened. All over L.A a bunch of memory banks can be opened by a good lawyer. If he is reformed then he would bow his head in shame at what Daniels said, be pissed off silently, and carry on with his sour, boiled sausage-faced self.

    And Daniels: Listen, no one gets a pass for domestic violence. Black or White. The rhetoric should be Howard is only allowed a place on my set if he toes the line and keeps his nose clean. No comparison is to be made between the treatment of two evils in the press. Rise above what is normally done and set a precedent for going forward.

  14. lem says:

    Daniels shouldn’t have cast Howard but since he did he shouldn’t have addressed it. Howard is vile and I have refused to watch the show because of his history, regardless of how amazing it’s supposed to be. That said, Penn needs to take a seat b/c no one believes for a second he’s not equally insane and abusive. Penn and Howard are two peas in a pod who should never work again but until Hollywood stops excusing misogynistic and abusive behavior because of “talent,” that won’t happen.

    • Tammy says:

      It won’t happen until, we, stop watching movies and TV shows with Terence Howard and Sean Penn.

    • ag-noose says:

      no they are not two peas in a pod, that is absurd. i think Howard being cast as a thug was perfect casting cause no one would believe him as a saint anyway. Penn just had enough of the character assassination and whether he wins or loses, he is putting people on notice.

      Daniels wanted PR and now he has it. Good for him.

  15. Ronda says:

    the good old Streisand effect. someone should have told him about it. now way more people will hear about.
    thats great because Sean isnt a run of the mill abuser who smacks someone (which is obviously terrible enough) but he seems to get of on torture like stuff.
    he wont be able to talk himself out of it, you can try to frame a slap in the face as an accident in the heat of the moment but getting a baseball bat and tying someone up are all scenarios that require some thought and time to pull off in which you could see what you are doing wrong.

  16. original kay says:

    I googled and found this: http://thelawdictionary.org/article/when-to-sue-for-defamation-slander-and-libel/

    so I am not sure how he can sue for defamation. This guy is such a arse.

  17. Talie says:

    I was about to say… all that info about Madonna has been out there. Even her brother talked about some of it in his memoir. Sean is deluded.

  18. BeBeA says:

    Anyone who abuses is wrong period, but I think his statement is about who can be forgiven for their wrong or situations. …. a white male or a black male….. the reasons for each actors violence toward women can be picked over from day break til night fall but who has the biggest chance at moving forward and being forgiven. To me they both get the side eye…. but in Hollywood who wins?

    • lem says:

      the thing is, people ALWAYS talk about Penn’s abuse too. It’s not like Howard has been unable to find work due to his abusive history while Penn is rolling in parts (honestly the last movie I remember him in was mystic river). Hollywood has given both of them a pass for their abusive behavior. I’m not saying there isn’t a difference in treatment of white abusers v. black abusers, but in this particular situation, I don’t think one of these two actors is being raked over the coals more than the other. Daniels needed to pick a different actor than Penn if he wanted to make that comparison, or better yet, don’t try to defend Howard at all.

      • alice says:

        It’s all madonna’s fault: she refused to press charges against him and back then the police couldn’t proceed regardless the victims refusal like it is todays’ law. As long as there’s no formal chargers Hollywood abusers usually get a pass and there’s no harm to their careers. A woman abuser never changes and if one victims refuses to press charges, whatever the reason is, the abuser will get another woman to victimize. Madonna has no right to call herself feminist or sell herself as an empowered female, just because of the way she handled the Penn situation.

      • lem says:

        No. It’s Sean Penn’s fault. It is NOT the victim’s fault. IT IS SEAN PENN’S FAULT.

      • FingerBinger says:

        @alice Why are you blaming Madonna? You’ve called her an idiot. Now you’re saying it’s her fault. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

      • alice says:

        @Finger and @lem I’m aware that my comment reads as if I’m blaming the victim of the abuse, and of course that wasn’t my intent. DA victims go thru a rollercoaster of emotions and phycological issues that I understand and I’m aware of, believe me. But Madonna, as a public figure, and because of the way she talks PUBLICLY so fondly of Penn, IMHO is causing a HUGE damage not only to her image, and even that I believe every DA victim has the right to forgive and forget to some point her abuser to amend her own mental health, I repeat as a public figure she seems to condone what he’s done and that’s not ok with me.

  19. alice says:

    Am I the only one that finds the “including Madonna” so odd and like Penn knows already that incident will be bring out for sure? Is it odd that just days before the lawsuit he was seen at her concert and being kind with her (she said that for the first time in 30 years he “appreciated her art”) Oh what a coincidence now in the lawsuit he says that including Madonna would back up the fact that he’s a lovely man with women…Madonna is an idiot. That guy assaulted her and she’s acting like an easily manipulated victim to her abuser, which sadly is very common in DV cases.

    • Nev says:

      An idiot? Don’t blame the victim any victim. She has already said she forgave him. That does still happen with people. And that is her right as a person and as a VICTIM.

    • Pinky says:

      No you’re not. It is odd. It’s like Sean is getting along with Madonna at the moment, she covered for him back then, and now he thinks she’d vouch for him if it came to trial. He’s a narcissist. You can just picture him dictating that to his.lawyer, insisting he “put ‘including Madonna! Including Madonna!’ ”

      The problem is, Madonna is not only a mom, but she is a mom of girls. And she is a girl-power icon. And she is vain and a narcissist too. She won’t want to tarnish her own brand, so when push comes to shove, she will tell the truth and Sean will be wondering why all his former wives and girlfriends are such disobedient bitches and c*nts.

      • ag-noose says:

        hey pinky, penn’s been going to madonna’s house for years…he just doesn’t care about social media and spreading his business out there for gossips. whatever happened, it was forgiven yeeeeears ago.

  20. coconut says:

    Interesting that Daniels hires and defends Howard even as he himself was abused and presumably terrorized by his own father. In the Sundance Iconoclast segment on Daniels (and Lenny Kravitz), Daniels talks about coming down the stairs at home at age 5, dressed in his mom’s clothes and his police officer dad being outraged at Lee, then and other times, and trying to beat the homosexual out of Lee. He also states in the piece that he feels his dad loved him and his dad was trying to make life better for his son (to not be gay), though he also suggests his dad had a lot of rage around being a powerless (black) man on the police force and coming home and being the powerful/violent man at home. In other words, maybe Daniels feels a certain humanity toward Howard as he does with his dad. Howard was also in Daniels’ Butler movie.

    • Colette says:

      I think what he was saying is just because a man abuses or even if a woman is abuser doesn’t make them a demon.I agree with that.They deserve to be punished for their behavior.Terrence is mentally unstable IMO.Possibly as a result of witnessing his father kill that guy at the mall.I think instead of always asking why the victim stays, we need to examine why the abuser abuses.I don’t think Terrence is a demon or evil.I believe he is mentally and psychologically damaged and he needs therapy.He will abuse the wife he took to the Emmy’s.BTW they are divorced yet she is with him so obviously she needs therapy as well.

    • Sam says:

      I think Daniels probably does feel something for Howard. I didn’t know for a long time that Terrance Howard’s dad was the Santa Line Killer. He took Terrance to a department store to see a Santa during the Christmas season, got into an altercation and stabbed the guy to death in front of his son and dozens of other people. I’m sure that messes a person up in the head. I also think Daniels is probably acutely aware of the double standards that get imposed on men of color – especially black men. Sean Penn is really just as bad as Howard or even Chris Brown, but he somehow continues to win Oscars and such. Why do you think that is? I’m not saying that Daniels is right in his defenses of Howard, but he is making actual, valid points that are worth consideration.

  21. GoodNamesAllTaken says:

    This makes me so tired and sad. Defending an abuser by stating that other men have done the same with no consequences. No sh&t. Men, black and white, have been abusing women since time began with no consequences. And all he has to say is “big deal- some white guys did it too.” Yes, there’s probably a difference in how they are treated, but how about HOW WE ARE TREATED???

    • I Choose Me says:

      Thank you GNAT for pointing out the real problem at the root of Lee’s defense of Terrence Howard.

      Domestic abuse is still treated too lightly. We bend over backwards to give these men a pass for their behaviour and few of them face any real consequences. Makes me tired and sad.

  22. Colette says:

    Of course Lee decided to distract from the issue of Terrence abuse of women by bringing up Sean.It reminds me of people trying to minimize Black Lives Matter movement by saying All Lives Matter.
    As for Sean I hope this goes to trial although it never will.I would love to see Madonna,Robin,ScarJo,Charlize answer questions about his behavior.Terrence has admitting slapping his first wife and hitting his second wife.Terrence also verbally abused his wives.Just imagine if any of Sean exes says he pushed or slapped them or verbally abused them.Then he would be comparable to Terrence so would he lose his lawsuit?

    • alice says:

      The lawsuit suggest that penn’s innocence can be backed up by his ex wives, “including Madonna” which makes me think he already talked them and convinced them somehow to be by his side. Madonna because she’s an idiot who would still be in love with her abuser, and Robin presumable because of her children. Th “including Madonna” phrase makes me think Penn knows certainly the incident will be bring out, and he and his lawyers are already prepared to fight that and have already some law trick to justify it.

      • Ronda says:

        its all on record though. as a public figure in the USA its almost impossible to win a defamation lawsuit. in this case Daniels can talk about it because its not just some rumour.

        what actually happened isnt important for the defamation lawsuit, no matter what Madonna and Robin say. its only about “was it ok that Daniels said that?”

        the only thing we all need to hope for is that Penn will get into a lot of publicity trouble and more people becoming aware of who he is.

    • Pinky says:

      You bring up another interesting point, which needs to be explored and which will be very uncomfortable for people to hear. And that is, white and Asian women will sometimes shelter men especially if the partner is white, but not if their partner is black. They subconsciously know that society will side with them and come down hard on the person of color for abusing them, but the white man in theory still has the power in that relationship. It’s all about power dynamics in our society and, yes, latent racism. White women are well above black men on the social and power dynamic totem pole, and they know it and some exploit it, sometimes with ill intentions. All of Howard’s relations have been Asian or white. Sad but true is that a person from his “own community” would be more likely to protect him. Not saying that’s a good thing, just a true thing.

      • FingerBinger says:

        Pinky what’s your point? Women of all races and ethnicities tend to protect their abusers. Nicole Brown Simpson called the police on OJ but law didn’t come down hard on him. He was also accused of killing her and was acquitted. I’m trying to understand what you’re saying.

      • Frosty says:

        Cosby was sheltered, for decades. The real issue is that excuses are made for male violence and terrorizing women, and the greater the wealth and power of the man, the more people close ranks around him.

      • Kitten says:

        Yeah um…what FingerBinger said.

      • Danskins says:

        Interesting point Pinky, not the easiest topic to try to break down. It doesn’t excuse Terrence’s abusive behavior in any way but your point is something to consider and is a valid one.

  23. Megan says:

    Fuck Lee Daniels So Hard. “That poor boy” indeed.

    We could discuss the treatment of abusers vs black abusers, and it would be a valid discussion as far as advocating for white abusers to be given the same sentences and prosecuted in the same way. Not valid would be discussing lighter sentences for black abusers, and excusing their violent behavior as we do for white men.

    Not to mention, Sean Penn and Marlon Brando are hardly the most current examples of misogynistic violent offenders beating and assaulting women. I would argue that the backlash against T.How is more of a sign of where we are in terms of women’s rights and the progress we have made towards no longer being treated as property and no longer allowing men to abuse women without consequence.

    Fuck you, Lee Daniels, for arguing that someone who continuously and violently assaults women should be granted leniency based on other people getting away with their crimes. The argument should not be for this black man to be forgiven for being an abusive shit; the argument should be for those white men to be prosecuted and equally publicly ostracized for being abusive shits.

    • brownies says:

      YES!!!!! THIS!!!

    • hA says:

      of course. and comparing Howard to Brando or vice versa is disgusting.

      • Megan says:

        @hA,

        I don’t think I like you. The tone of your comments makes me uncomfortable, and I’m just going to say it; I think it’s because I am feeling some racist undertones in what you are saying.

        Marlon Brando was an abuser. The difference is that he is still viewed as some kind of hero by a lot of people, vs T.Howard being viewed as a violent criminal. The only disgusting thing is that we don’t view Marlon Brando, and Sean Penn, in the same light… because they are all abusers and they should be treated equally as such.

        Anyways, I don’t know for certain that you ARE a racist, just that some of the other comments you have left are making me feel you might be. So, good luck with that?

    • I Choose Me says:

      *Applause* Exactly!

    • siri says:

      ” The argument should not be for this black man to be forgiven for being an abusive shit; the argument should be for those white men to be prosecuted and equally publicly ostracized for being abusive shits.”

      The argument should be that the WOMAN (in Penn’s case Madonna) should file a police report, and not withdraw her complaint later, as she did. Otherwise, there’s no way any guy will be prosecuted, black, or white. But you are right about Daniel’s argument being extremely careless, and absurd.

  24. mia girl says:

    Sean Penn is beyond gross and vile. His abusive exploits are well known and his reputation as a violent, abusive asshole are also well known. Has he been able to thrive in Hollywod despite this. Yes.

    Terrance Howard is beyond gross and vile. His abusive exploits are well known and his reputation as a violent, abusive asshole are also well known. Has he been able to thrive in Hollywod despite this. Yes. To a lesser degree than Penn? Probably.

    But wasn’t what really soiled his professional reputation the whole aftermath of the Iron Man thing and how he threw everyone under the bus and talked crap? Hollywood will cover it’s eyes for a lot of crap, but burning bridges might be the one thing they care about.

    With all this said, the whole possible debate was shut down for me because Daniels used the words “poor guy”. The words “poor guy” should not be used to describe an abuser. Ever. Full stop.

    And worse yet, this was not even a “poor guy” had a tough life type of thing (which still wouldn’t matter), this is “poor guy” has to take criticism for being an abuser and “poor guy” can’t get away with his abuse like some other abusers.

    Daniels, the only “poor” souls are the women who were abused by all three of the men you talked about.

  25. AlmondJoy says:

    Totally disgusted with everyone here. Daniels for justifying Terrence’s bahavior, Penn for thinking he’s done nothing wrong and Howard for being who he is: an abusive jerk. Sickos.

  26. FingerBinger says:

    Sean Penn would have been better off ignoring Daniel’s comment. Nobody was paying attention to his misguided defense of Terrence Howard. Now by filing a lawsuit everybody is paying attention to Daniel’s comment and his own past.

  27. SillySimone says:

    I think it is possible that this may indeed be the reason Theron ghosted him. I don’t think he was violent with her. But I do think he likely lied to her about his past violence. Given her own history, when she found out the nature of what Penn had done, she split without even talking to him – because domestic violence situations usually end tragically when the victim attempts to leave (like what happened with her mom). Now it all makes sense actually. My guess is that he is filing this suit because he wants Theron back, not because he is really offended.

    Who knows in any case, what actually happened? Did he assault his second wife as well? Has she ever discussed it? I thought their big issue was that he was a womanizing douche?

    Howard has hit many women, so that is pretty established. It seems that Penn has only a violent history with Madge – which makes me wonder just what actually happened. I am not defending him. My guess is they had a very toxic relationship. But it is unusual for a violent asshole to be violent toward one partner and not any of the others. Does anyone know if Robin Penn has ever Penn assaulting her?

    In any case, this is why I think Theron froze him out.

    • alice says:

      Are you really saying that penn is suing Daniels just because he wants Theron back? I’m sorry but that’s really f***ed up fan fiction!

    • Jayna says:

      I think Penn is controlling. I don’t think he’s violent since Madonna with his women. I just think he has a temper at time and is controlling and just has a bizarre thought process going on and it gets tiresome. I remember reading that full recent interview with him, and I was exhausted by the end. No way I could listen to him day in and day out. He seems to have no common sense. He looked like a puppy dog following after Charlize when they were together, but I’m sure he erupts with his intense rants that seem crazy to me and she had had enough.

    • siri says:

      I don’t think Theron froze him out because of abuse, or anything temper-related. They know each other for 20+ years. No, I think she had this adoption process going on before she got together with Penn, and when they told her it’s gonna happen, she might have told him for the first time, and perhaps he wasn’t up to it, or wanted a mutual child, or not this soon. So she decided for the child, and against him. When they had to do some additional work on his last movie, you can see in the pictures from the set how hurt he was.

    • Tara says:

      My theory on the Charlize thing is that it’s an awful coincidence that they split just before she brings the daughter home who she had been trying to adopt for six months. I believe Sean would have adopted with her, but that his criminal history might have caused problems in the process, so she chose her daughter over him. She was really open about wanting to adopt again. She is also very independent and doesn’t need a man.

      Either that or one night Sean got drunk and showed a scary side he hadn’t before and Charlize who came from an abusive household got totally freaked out and realized she didn’t want him in her life around her children, so she gave him the boot. Those set photos looked totally awkward. They looked really hurt.

  28. Irene says:

    I always wonder why people like Terrance Howard continue to get work; but I suppose the answer is fairly simple. The people in charge, like Lee Daniels, simply don’t think there’s anything wrong with what he did to those women. “That poor boy”. Ugh.

    • hA says:

      it’s good casting; a thug playing a thug.

      • Hiddlesgirl85 says:

        @ hA: Terrence doesn’t play a “thug” on the show Empire. That was a bizarre assumption.

      • Colette says:

        I watch Empire.Luscious is basically a thug.He was a drug dealer who started his company with drug money.He let his wife go to prison for his crime.He murdered his cousin.Very thuggish behavior IMO.There are many thugs who wear suits and run companies.I have a couple in my family.

      • ag-noose says:

        Howard plays a thug – who are you kidding?????? sold drugs, kills his friend, beats on his gay son? what am I missing????? Is this the description of a nice guy in your world?????

  29. waitwhat says:

    Is anyone else just too through with Hollywood? I’m tired of the misogyny and genuinely don’t understand it….from the overwhelming support for Dr Dre and his movie, to Chris Brown still having a career,Sean Penn suing a woman-hating homosexual with a complex about being black, the list could literally go on for days. I’m so done. Will not be watching or supporting any media from racists, homophobes,misogynists, etc…

  30. Esteph says:

    How about they all shut up? I mean they all have issues.

    Idk if anyone else is with me on this, but I’m over all of them

  31. Frosty says:

    Penn’s always been a petulant, violent wannabe tough-guy who’s actually a crybaby. Penn’s a good example of an abuser who’s always gotten a pass, but *everybody* knows what the deal really is with him

  32. Tara says:

    Charlize Theron dropped his ass like a hot potato and now he has to create some other drama in his life to distract himself. People have been saying these things about him forever!

    Lee Daniels is an idiot defending Howard. That “poor boy”. GTFOH.

    I so hope Madonna gets called to testify. She has never confirmed or denied anything. She and Sean are on good terms now. Notice he waited until he wrote her a nice note to announce this suit. Trying to make sure they are on the best of terms so she will be on his side. He is so manipulative.

    • Jayna says:

      They’ve been on great terms for years. He was at her last tour also. He came to some opening she did for some documentary art thing she did in 2013. He brought Charlize to her after-Oscars party. You can go back years, when he was still with his wife, where he surprised Madonna on stage to give her some fashion award in the late ’90s, I think. She also went down to Haiti meeting with him about his charity, bringing her son a few years ago.

      Madonna will always have a soft spot for Sean and I don’t consider the note manipulative. He said he finally got her art after watching the concert at MSG. Her new tour is getting absolutely rave reviews and is a more fun Madonna with a great mix of spectacle and beautiful acoustic performances and a more heartfelt, dare I say even sentimental-at-times Madonna. After watching clips, I totally get why it is being considered one of Madonna’s best tours in years and why she is untouchable as the greatest female pop artist of all time concertwise, and I understand why he praised her.

      • Tara says:

        I know they have been on good terms for awhile. Still I think he sure wants to make sure that she would not say anything bad about him. Madonna loves attention and I think she enjoys referencing the Sean Penn thing because he is her most notorious love affair. She knows by posting an Instagram picture of him kissing her 30 years ago will get attention.

  33. Alice says:

    I don’t know how any woman can stand to be near SP. there’s not enough money in the world IMO.

  34. Kelly says:

    Sean Penn has every right to file this lawsuit and I hope he wins. Lee Daniels is disgusting. “That poor boy”…really? Such anger on this page for Sean Penn, wow. Madonna obviously has no issue with him.

    • Neah23 says:

      Yet here you are “poor boying” Sean Penn. Rihanna was cool with Chris Brown too even made a song with him after years later . Dose that make what he did ok and somethings that people should just give him a pass on?

    • Moi says:

      People are up in arms because most feel that Sean Penn has some nerve to try and rewrite history when there are public records indicating how he brutally abused Madonna. Regardless of how Madonna feels about him, it would have been a much smarter move to have left well enough alone.

      • siri says:

        I would like to know where those public records actually are. Because for many years, people just repeat this story about Madonna, and seem to find pleasure in trashing Penn about it. Sean Penn is an intelligent person, so I cannot imagine him going public with this without having good reasons for it.

      • @Siri, I’m with you on this. I’ve searched (albeit Internet searched) for this “well-known public record of abuse” and I can’t find it. If it is a matter of public record where is it? California Sunshine Law would facilitate it being somewhere on the Internet, but it’s nowhere. If it is out there I will be the first in line to eat crow, but honestly I don’t think it exists. I’ve read tons of second or third part or even tenth parties saying it happened but I cannot find the Sherriff report. Anyone out there who has access please bring the link over. Hitting her over the head with a bat would cause severe injuries. Scaling her wall and tying her up sounds odd. How does one man hold you and put you in a chair and tie you up?
        And I’m well aware of DV laws in Los Angeles in the 80’s. I was visiting them in Santa Monica when my then 20 year old sister was beaten by her asshole of a husband. I ran with their toddler out of the house and called the cops. The police came in 5 minutes. The police and I urged her to press charges and she refused. They told me that they could do nothing. That was the law. The next day my beautiful sister looked like the loser in a prize fight. He hit her with his fists and kicked her. Had he used a bat on her head she would have been dead or at the very least in a hospital for days. I think there is plenty of hearsay re: the Madonna/ Penn case. I seriously doubt he’s stupid enough to sue unless he knows he’s going to win.

      • noway says:

        @Yesanotherjudy you didn’t look very hard. First google search topic and the Daily Beast too, not exactly the National Enquirer. Link below, you might not find as much this way, because it was decades ago. Internet was non existent. Also Madonna’s brother wrote it in a book, that is public domain. So yes Sean Penn is stupid and a narcissist who won’t win as damages would be hard to prove. That is another component of a public persons defamation suit that he must established. I am sure the lawyers are on retainers, voila they don’t care. The most logical reason for the lawsuit is he afraid of the Cosby effect. Old accusation getting traction, but in this case I think he blew it out of proportion. People would just attack Daniels for his comment if he had left it.

        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/23/twitter-turns-on-abuser-sean-penn-following-his-oscars-green-card-joke.html

      • siri says:

        @Yetanotherjudy: I’m so sorry to hear about your sister. I can only hope she is better off now, and not together with this man anymore…I also know about this refusal from the woman’s side, and I wonder if family members/friends, or neighbours still don’t have any say in this. Because in this very case, YOU were there to witness…
        About Penn: I noticed that whenever this subject occurs, people tend to repeat rumors, and even extend his possible violent behaviour towards Madonna to Robin Wright, or Charlize Theron, but there haven’t been any real sources to rely upon. I’m the first one to be on the fence about this, but not on basis of speculations. Perhaps there will be a trial, and witnesses will be heard…actually I’m hoping for it.

    • Colette says:

      So Sean should get paid because Lee said Sean is an abuser just like Terrence? OK that make sense

      • ag-noose says:

        yeah it does – it is called slander when spoken and libel when written and there are laws against it. Bet Sean wants it for haiti charity. Fitting.

    • siri says:

      I agree with you.

    • alice says:

      So you want Penn to win the lawsuit so nobody can bring up the fact that even that he was never convicted for DV, the Madonna incident happened and he IS as a matter of fact an abuser POS? Good. This is how Hollywood misogynist get away with it. And if Penn wins they will be encouraged to keep doing it.

  35. funcakes says:

    Lee seems to have a history of being a dick. And not talking about his fight with Monique.
    He comes off extremely hostile and bitter. What makes him more vile is that he loves to pull the race card.

    When know the struggles of people of color in Hollywood would. We get that your not going to let people stand in your way, but you also not a pioneer. Lee needs to take a Que from people like other black actors that can voice their frustrations in a eloquent manner while not playing the victim.
    The people that had a right to be angry are black actors like Hattie McDonald and Butterfly McQueen who were stuck in playing the roles of maids and slow witted house servants. Black musicians had to abide by Jim crow laws while playing to whites only crowds. Many in danger of being lynched on there way to perform just so they can stay employed.

  36. Corrie says:

    I agree with you Kaiser. What Lee said was in bad taste and decorum. One does not excuse the other. A book on Marlon Brando was released by Rita Morena not long ago. She mentioned his sexual and physical abuse. As for Sean being bent because he’s lumped into the women assault pile. It begs the question: WHY NOW. I was only a junior high student and i remember endless reports of Sean being violent – not just to Madonna but having a bad temper which leads him to physical assault. So why now is he offended after the endless stories, write ups and reports on his past. Yes, he’s never been charged but his violent streak has well been documented. And if he was falsely accused, then why wait 27yrs later to be upset. This entire thing is odd. And while in bad taste, Lee’s assertion of Terence and Sean is almost exact in terms of personality. Sean and Terrence have been known to be egotistical, narcissistic, hot tempered male actors. Sean’s career has never suffered from it. And in no way I do think its excusable from either.

  37. kri says:

    The insanity of this whole thing infuriates me. IDGAF if an abuser is white, black, male, christian,atheist gay, WHATEVER! If you are an abusive, violent human, that’s all you are, unless and until you see what you are and what you’ve done, you seek help, and you do all in your power to redeem yourself to your victims and society. If you don’t, you are nothing but a monster. Sorry for the rant-no, wait, I am not sorry. Screw all of them, Daniels, Penn, Howard-all of them.

  38. Some weird body language there, lee Daniels.

  39. anne_000 says:

    So Penn is suing because he thinks he’s not as bad an abuser? He is a violent abuser but just not at a higher level? Is that like being a druggie but not a down-and-out living in a shite hole druggie? Can druggies sue for defamation like this?

  40. HK9 says:

    What kind of f***ery is this? So Sean Penn is suing because Lee Daniels spoke about him being an abuser (which is true), to defend Terrance Howard’s domestic violence issues(which is also true). Have these people no shame???!!??

    SMH. Why doesn’t Lee Daniels ask himself why he’s using the worst period in some random guy’s life as the standard for Terrance? How about have his buddy Terrance apologize for his behaviour and for god sake get him some help for his mental health issues so those in his life don’t continue to suffer.

  41. Blondewino says:

    If it’s truly a race issue, explain how Mel Gibson lost his career but Chris Brown still has one?

    • alice says:

      Mel Gibson still has a career. He’s about to film a movie. Granted it’s not what it used to be but he’s still working and had plenty of his Hollywood friends to back him up, Jodie Foster and Robert Downey Jr. among them. If Gibson ever had problems with his career it was because of his antisemitism rather than for his abuser and misogynist background. And Hollywood power is mostly of white, old Jewish guys who cares nothing about abusers and misogynists.

    • dana says:

      LOL, are you under the impression that Mel Gibson lost his career over domestic violence?

      Gibson’s problem was his mouth (the willingness of the people around him to record and publicize his statements.).

  42. 7-11's Hostage says:

    “22 episodes is killing her.” -Lee Daniels (said this past April). So, an acknowledgment, but still no change. Penn’s lawsuit will act as a form of publicity. The reason I didn’t write “negative publicity” is because it doesn’t seem that such a thing exists anymore. It’s all just Publicity.

  43. iheartgossip says:

    Ask Madonna. Then again, ask any of the women he’s been with, cause beat one & your probably hit or beat others.

  44. Mispronounced Name Dropper says:

    So in a round about way Penn will finally get his day in court. He’ll either be vindicated (sort of) or this thing could back fire badly on him.

    • alice says:

      I’d say the second you wrote. And it’s already happening: every media outlet is talking about the madonna incident. And as disgusting as Lee Daniels’s defense of Howard is, I can’t wait to hear what it’ll be Lee’s next move and I really hope he gets his hands on that police report that has to be somewhere in the archives.

  45. Amy says:

    So why is anyone watching this show? I saw Terrence Howard was the lead and I was out.

    • LaurieH says:

      Actually, Empire is a well-written, well-acted show. If I chose not to watch a show or movie because I didn’t like one of the actors personally, I wouldn’t watch ANY shows or movies. But this one is, quite in fact, well done. Pretty rare these days.

  46. LaurieH says:

    I don’t see how Penn succeeds with this lawsuit or how it benefits him at all. It’s well-documented public fact that Penn has a violence problem – all of which will be dredged up and rehashed by Daniels’ attorneys.

  47. Danskins says:

    I have no doubt that if Sean Penn wins his stupid case (and that’s a big if) he’ll just pocket the funds for himself. So he gets rewarded for being another POS abuser, moves onto his next project and suffers no consequences. Nothing to see here, folks. Gotta love that Hollywood treatment. 😐