By now you’ve undoubtedly heard about the controversy over Miss California Carrie Prejean’s comments against gay marriage at the Miss USA pageant over the weekend. Prejean answered a loaded question from judge Perez Hilton about whether she thought states should legalize same sex marriage. She said, that for her and her family, she thought marriage “should be between a man and a woman.” Prejean stumbled a little at the beginning, saying that you can chose “same sex marriage or opposite” in our country, but it wasn’t that bad and considering some of the incredibly stupid and muddled things pageant contestants have said in the past it was adequately stated and to the point.
At least Prejean answered the question
Prejean ultimately was declared runner up, and believes she lost the crown because of her politically polarizing answer to that question. It probably did cost her the crown, and pageant owner Donald Trump confirmed that low scores in the question and answer phase affected the outcome. Meanwhile second runner up Miss Arizona gave a memorized nonsensical answer to a question about universal healthcare. She said “I think this is an issue of integrity regardless of what I think and what end of the political spectrum I stand on. I was raised in a family to know right from wrong and politics, whether you fall in the middle or the left or the right. It’s an issue of integrity whatever your opinion is, and I say that with the utmost conviction.” That makes absolutely no sense. [Thanks to Michael Buck of great YouTube show What the Buck for that quote]
Prejean: 1, Perez: 0
In an appearance on the Today Show yesterday, Miss California defended her statements on gay marriage, saying they were “biblically correct.” Perez Hilton spewed venom in his Skyped interview with Matt Lauer, making Prejean seem like much more of a sympathetic character despite her exclusionary politics. While I don’t agree with her at all on this issue, I feel she had the right to state her opinion when asked. It doesn’t matter if I disagree, she was asked a question and she answered it. She calmly and rationally defended herself to Lauer and she was thoughtful about it. At least she answered the damn question and tried to think about it instead of giving some BS answer. She should have been judged on the quality of her answer, not whether the judges agreed with her politics or not. There are all sorts of opinions in this world and we don’t get anywhere when we can’t talk through our disagreements.
People are pointing out that Prejean is getting a lot more mileage out of her controversial answer than the pageant winner and this is ultimately working out well for her. She seems to be aware of the publicity, and told Lauer that she wouldn’t change a thing, that winning wasn’t what God wanted for her, and that “I wouldn’t be here with you if I was Miss USA.”
After this controversy dies down we may still be hearing about Prejean. According to RadarOnline, who spoke with her grandmother, she’s been dating record-setting Olympian Michael Phelps:
Miss USA runner-up Carrie Prejean is set to make headlines with something other than her anti-gay marriage comments. Her grandmother Jeanette Coppolla confirmed to RadarOnline.com exclusively that the beauty queen has been casually dating Olympian Michael Phelps.
“Carrie and Michael have been out to baseball games and lunch,” Coppolla said. “He always calls her when he is in town and they go out.”
Not just a pretty blonde, Prejean is fully aware of Phelps’ lothario reputation and is taking the flirtation with the swimmer in stride.
“Carrie knows that he has dated a lot of girls but she enjoys going out with him and isn’t serious about being in a relationship with him,” she added. “He’s a nice guy and she likes him.”
Earlier in the week, she played it coy when first asked to address the rumors of a relationship with Phelps, dodging Miss USA host Billy Bush’s questioning by saying, “That’s not appropriate to answer right now. He’s a great man…You can call me on a later day and we can talk about that.”
[From Radar Online]
Prejean is not Michael Phelps’ style, she’s a co-ed at San Diego Christian college and she’s obviously very devoted to her Christian beliefs. He’s been linked to multiple girls recently including a Vegas cocktail waitress and I bet that Prejean is frustratingly unattainable to him.
I don’t agree that marriage is only between a man and a woman and I find it baffling that same sex marriage is still an issue in 2009. Why don’t all couples have the same basic rights? It seems ridiculous that this is something we’re still talking about as somehow controversial. It must be incredibly difficult and disheartening for the couples who have struggled to have their unions recognized for years. That said, I’d rather hear someone say they disagree with me respectfully than yell at me or call me stupid or a bitch for having a different opinion. Prejean told Matt Lauer that she was asked her opinion and she gave it. Integrity and graciousness are what we look for in a pageant winner and Prejean has those qualities, even if a lot of us don’t agree with her politics at all. She’s not enough of a skank for Michael Phelps, though.
Meanwhile Prejean’s grandmother had some barbs for Perez Hilton. She told Radar Online “I don’t know why that gay guy Perez was even judging a contest with a bunch of girls. That doesn’t make any sense. He should be judging a Chippendale’s contest.” At least Prejean’s sister is a gay rights activist, although her grandmother claims “Her sister Christy is not gay, she just has her own mindset. But she’s not gay, we just feel sorry for them.” A lot of us feel sorry for ignorant people too. That doesn’t mean we should get in a fight with them though, that doesn’t solve anything.
Prejean: 0
Shame on her and her family.
As Anastasiababe eloquently said on an earlier post, I don’t care how honest a bigot is. A bigot is a bigot.
I agree with Celebitchy. I’d rather have an cordial, straightforward discussion with someone I disagree with then listen to the childish venom of some of the people I do agree with.
I wonder whether people would say “well, I don’t agree with her but she has the right to state her opinion” if she had said that black people shouldn’t vote or something the like.
And I agree. A bigot is still a bigot. I don’t care how entitled she is to state an opinion, I’m still going to argue it if I don’t agree with it. Being entitled to speak your mind doesn’t mean being isent from criticism.
Thats a good point–at least she didn’t give some non sensical fluff answer–those suck!
I think it’s a shame that a freaking beauty pageant loser is getting press for not only her beliefs, but her dating life. Surely there are more interesting people that you can put on this site who are more knowledgeable and actually have something to contribute to the gay-rights debate?
OT: those two butterfaces deserve each other
Although I defend her right to state her opinion, it was done in such an ineloquent, inane way, that there could be no respect for her answer. She grew up in an obviously vocal, Christian family, and attends a Christian College…you’d think she would have a well thought out doctorine to present.
That said, I personally find her an ignorant fool, and am deeply offended by people who continue to value certain relationships above others. How rare and lucky to find love in this world…no matter who it is with. With all the divorce, adultry, and bed hopping we heterosexuals do, who are we to judge?
Is that a bowling pin bong in his hand?
Execellent article, CB and I agree with your post as well CandyKay. I’ll never understand those who feel only their opinion is right and youmust agree with it or else you’re an idiot. That’s not how it works, world.
I like that this contestant stuck by her opinion in that big of a spotlight.
Ha! Miss Arizona! Love it! That’s some deep political thinking going on there. 😆
She didn’t win because her views on human rights are…as ancient as the bible, outdated, and clearly not with the time.
She’s as terrible as Anita Bryant was in the 70’s!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS91gT3XT_A
Kyle
@ quid
I knew someone would compare this with race issues. People still say crap about every race. It still stands, they have a right to their opinion – especially if someone ASKS them. And even with racial issues it still stands that alot of people won’t agree with what their opinion is. But does it stop people from going on and living their lives according to their beliefs? No.
Everyone is not a fan of gay rights. Everyone is not a fan of all races. That’s life. You can’t change people’s opinions. Only they can. It makes no sense to try to argue the person into believing how you feel on topics. At the end of the day you can only be responsible for yourself and what you are contributing to society.
Agree to disagree.
Actually, she DIDN’T answer the question! The question was, should other states follow Vermont and legalize same sex marriage? She didn’t answer THAT. She just gave her stance on gay marriage in general. Not exactly answering the question, although not nearly as retarded as Miss Arizona’s answer.
Well shame on the biggest Liberal politicians Obama, Clinton and Biden, who said the exact same thing. You bunch of hypocrites.
@Kyle: Spot on with the Anita Bryant comparison. That was my first thought when this story “came out”.
AIRHEAD.
True, she DID NOT answer her question correctly…AND she voiced her very biased fumbled opinion which clearly wasn’t in vogue with the times and judges in their belief that she represents Miss America. Carrie can say what she wants, but had she won, I’d be the first one to throw pie in her face.
Attn WOW above, this isn’t a “race” issue…but a human rights issue. If anyone thinks her view on human rights correct then you are clearly Stalinists. I suggest dusting off your high school copy of Animal Farm by George Orwell and read it. “All animals are equal, some animals are more equal than others”. Why not proposition to ban heterosexual marriages?
This is America. Respect her right to answer a question truthfully. While her answer may rightly open her up to criticism, as would any answer in a public forum such as a pageant, it is ridiculous that her feelings on one subject were turned into a “litmus test” for whether or not she should win the competition. Perez Hilton is scum, the worst type of gay man… one who is incapable of thinking outside the box of his sexuality. He makes the rest of us look bad. The question had no place being asked in that setting. One last reminder- if you want to be accepted for your sexuality, the first step is being understanding that others may not agree with you.
@ Wow: my comment wasn’t directed at people’s individual opinion on races or gay rights but at the different kinds of reaction negative opinions on both topics have. Whereas an anti-gay stance is more likely to be met with the kind of “well, I don’t agree but you are entitled to your own opinion” remark, anti-race stances are much more likely to be universally panned. Believe me, if Miss Cali had spoken ill of black or asian people everybody would be clamouring for a public apology, a la Miley Cyrus’s asian photo “scandal”. Reminds me of a certain teacher who felt that while racial tolerance was worthy of being taught in schools gender orientation tolerace wasn’t.
@ Wow:
I knew someone would compare this with race issues. People still say crap about every race. It still stands, they have a right to their opinion – especially if someone ASKS them. And even with racial issues it still stands that alot of people won’t agree with what their opinion is. But does it stop people from going on and living their lives according to their beliefs? No.
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At the end of the day, this woman is a beauty queen. Not a someone who can make or pass restrictive laws according to her beliefs.
Tread *carefully* on the racial analogies. As an african american I find some of them offensive. I get that race is something you do not have control over however UNLIKE being gay there no way to hide in plain sight. That makes a HUGE difference in experiences.
It’s like religion — while some people are identifiable according to how they look/dress, you cannot tell the religion of most people by looking at them.
Racial groups fight for their rights. Non visible minorities fight for privilege. Being able to blend in, they confuse the two. They will not accept the fact that they will never get 100% approval from everyone. If they would focus on the rights they would get a lot further.
I love how all these bible-thumpers preach “morals” when they rail against homosexuality, then turn around and have pre-marital sex left and right, even though that’s supposedly a “sin” too. F’n hypocrites.
quid_iuris, see my post above. Being a racial minority is NOT analogous to being gay for the reasons previously stated.
Oh, and YES she is allowed to state her opinion. Perez asked a loaded question and asked her “why or why not”? He’s mad that she doesn’t agree with him. Well, don’t ask questions in which you’re afraid of the answers!
Phelps is such an annoying, ugly goon.
I love how these anti-gay bible-thumpers preach “morals” then go out and have pre-marital sex even though that’s a “sin.” F’n hypocrites.
AGAIN, what Carrie stated wasn’t racially slandered…but a negative, uneducated, belief towards HUMAN RIGHTS.
It’s getting stale already. Two nobodies with clashing opinions- Hilton and Prejean. Why is this still dominating the news? They’re both just making themselves look even more ignorant and foolish, and aren’t doing any favors for their causes.
While I disagree with Miss California, I’m more disgusted that Mario “Talentless Hack” Lavandeira is getting so much press out of this, and has self-appointed as the ambassador for all of us gays and lesbians. WE DON’T WANT YOU PEREZ. Go back to doodling in MS Paint and reporting false gossip on your shitty blog.
@not_a_strawman:: again, I’m not extending a comparison between gay people and racial minorities per se. I’m talking about the way criticism of both subjects, both racial and gender orientation tolerance, is tackled differently by public opinion. Those two situations, yes, are analogous.
And I never said she’s not allowed to state her opinion! She totally is. That doesn’t excuse her for the fact that she is a homophobe and I feel like people are so focused on her free speech liberties that they’re letting that fly under the radar. Likewise, I’m allowed to make use of my free speech to state my opinion on her beliefs. It goes both ways.
Edited because I originally spelled your name wrong, sorry.
geronimo: LOL!
Miss Arizona for Prezzuhdent!
I think she would have avoided the whole situation by stating that gays have a right to a civil union. It’s a free country. That statement leaves the whole bible/church/beliefs out of the equation since there is a clear divide between church and state. She didn’t have to mention her beliefs in her answer. I would have left it vague and just stuck to issue at hand.
I wish Perez Hilton would stop getting press for this. I can’t stand him. He outs celebrities without respecting their own rights to privacy.
What a different post this would have been if Miss Bleach Blonde had said that gossip blogs were amoral. It’s all, “I’d rather have a discussion with an articulate bigot . . .” until they’re calling YOU the child of a lesser god.
you make her sound like Grace Kelly or something and I think regardless of her opinion she spoke badly,incoherently and the first part of the answerdid not match with the second part,like she wanted to have it both ways and then failed. She was a mumbling idiot. AND she’ll be LUCKY to be hitting Michael Felps are you freaggin kidding me??????
Amen to Walston above – her answer was exactly the same as Obama’s – he does NOT support gay marriage. Why doesn’t anybody dump on him for that? Perez Hilton is a bloated a*hole – he asked a loaded question and got his *ss handed to him. Being opposed to legalizing gay marriage does not make you a bigot – however, insulting anybody who has a different opinion than yours does make you an ignorant blowhard. So endeth the lesson.
I put gay marriage in quotations not to be nasty, as some people tend to assume. I put it in quotations to indicate that I was referring to the term, itself, rather than the concept.
Kyle is Klassy.
OK, can you grasp more than one concept at a time? The point is that we pick and choose who we want to crucify for their opinions. You’re right – she’s just a beauty contestant who has NO influence over the actual debate of gay marriage. Again, she was asked a question and she answered it. Obviously she isn’t the only person who feels this way considering the outcome of Prop 8 – oh, sorry that’s not the title of this thread – didn’t mean to confuse you.
Nice try, Kyle – I love the way you worked in the whole “like you, doesn’t believe in equal human rights.” You can’t debate the topic so you throw out the insults, which mean you lose the argument.
So to follow your logic, it’s not WHAT she said it’s that she didn’t technically answer the question? So if she had said, “I believe a marriage should be between anybody or anything who love each other” – that would have answered the question and she would have won? No, that would have STILL not answered the question, but it would have been the PC answer and she would have won. Simple.
As for the equal human rights angle, how exactly is the LEGALITY of marriage considered a human right? If so, then can cousins marry? Siblings? If not, why? Instead of rushing to insult me, maybe you could actually think about your answer for a minute or two.
@ quid_iuris
again, I’m not extending a comparison between gay people and racial minorities per se. I’m talking about the way criticism of both subjects, both racial and gender orientation tolerance, is tackled differently by public opinion. Those two situations, yes, are analogous.
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So, not supporting gay marriage is criticism/intolerance of gay people?
FYI, the overwhelming majority of people who believe marriage should be between men and women support civil unions for same sex couples.
For alot of people its not about denying rights. It’s about redefining an institution that is closely related to religion. Which is I think ALL couples should have civil unions. Take religion out of the mix regarding something that provide legal partnerships.
@not_a_strawman: yes, if your reasons to oppose are “homosexuals have cooties and don’t deserve to be married in the eyes of God”.
And I totally agree with you on underlining the importace of civil unions. Thing is, civil unions =/= marriage, even civil marriage. I’m not an American so I’m not really sure as to how things are there but here, where the controversy is also being risen recently, a mandatory connection between marriage and religion is utter bullshit – monogamous marriages existed way before Christianity was implemented and the law specifically states the existence of civil marriage, which is valid regardless of the couple wanting to get married by the church later. This completely secular civil marriage is equivalent in all effects to its religious counterpart (apart from some specifics on divorce as far as Catholic marriages go, I believe without being able to be sure) but NOT to civil unions, that produce a more restricted set of rights and a different legal position. I understand that the same thing happens in the United States, but correct me if I’m wrong.
This argument is tired and her boyfriend is pig ugly.
Again, absolutely she has every right to state her convoluted, badly worded, mangled opinion. Or just her opinion.
She has every right to restate it over and over and over again into every microphone that gets shoved into her face.
And I have every right to say her opinion is bigotry.
And I have every right to turn my back on bigotry, by not paying any attention to bigots.
Out.
new2man: No one is arguing that blood relatives should be allowed to marry.
Either find a current legal case for this or drop the strawman already.
Blood relatives are not allowed to marry by law because of the very real health/biological problems presented in their offspring.
Period.
Gay couples wanting to marry are NOT analagous to blood relatives marrying. They are not blood relatives, they are two consenting adults in a committed relationship who would like to be married and enjoy the same rights and privileges that straight non-blood related couples enjoy.
End. Of. Story.
Now, no one has yet answered my question but I’ll try again: what horrible thing would happen (give me details) if gay couples were allowed to marry? Remember I’m not talking about churches, churches are private organizations that can decide for themselves and have. I’m talking about the LAW. What horrible thing would happen?
I think it really sucks that today in 2009 people are being bamboozled by some scumbag, dirty douch, etc. like Perez Hilton into being forced to accept the gay lifestyle. They’re gay!!! They ARE different, call it something other then marriage. Marriage should be between a man and women because yes, that was the purpose of sex people, to procreate. How I bet God is kicking himself now!
And how gay marriage is more of a pressing concern then me trying to legally smoke a J STILL behooves me completely.
***** I hold nothing against anyone (save for pedophiles) I just feel that the gays should have their own name for their unions. Anything else is really just trying to stick it to the straights, I mean let’s be honest.
p.s. Maybe Perez was just hating on her because she get’s to touch that chest of Mr. Phelps. I mean come on, his body is amazing AND he likes to smoke!!!!! He’s the perfect man.
I am a gay man, and I am absolutely embarrassed by the behavior of Perez Hilton and many of the Hollywood elite who have treated Miss California so harshly over the past week.
Their treatment of her does nothing to promote the cause of discussing gay rights in a civil and democratic manner. Moreover, the insults and profanity used by Mr. Hilton against Miss California over the past week do nothing but betray the fact that, sadly, most of today’s gay society is just as intolerant of opposing viewpoints as they accuse those on the far right of being.
As a gay man who supports civil rights for myself and my gay friends, I am sadly disappointed by the behavior of Mr. Hilton and his friends, and encourage Miss California to continue representing herself with the class that she has thus far exhibited.
Even if I disagree with her, we are allowed to do so here in our society, and we should do so with an air of civility.
I also find it fascinating that both President Obama and V.P. Biden have explicitly stated that they also support marriage between a man and a woman, yet there is no venom and immature rantings by Mr. Hilton and cohorts against them. A shocking double-standard exists amongst Mr. Hilton and his ilk within the Hollywood circles.
To the directors of the Miss USA Pageant, you should rethink your pageant’s standards.
@Chris……you need to be MORE of a voice. So well put. Kudos to you. And thank you for being so honest.
@ cara: “Marriage should be between a man and women because yes, that was the purpose of sex people, to procreate.”
Should infertile people be barred from getting married then? What about women who have already entered the menopause? And childless couples, should their marriages be invalidated?
I believe in the one-child rule:
http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/onechild.htm
Why should single couples, married couples w/ no children here in America spend their tax dollars supporting single mothers (Octo-mom?) for having too many children?
I love the gays, and feel gay couples should marry and adopt!
@ Anastasiabeaverhausen – you are wasting your breath honey – the bigots can’t argue their point because their point has no validity. The world wouldn’t end if gay couples could marry, no-one would get hurt and the earth wouldn’t drop off it’s axis. The only thing they will tell you is that it’s against the word of God whilst simulatenously sinning against the very same God they hold so dear. Not just bigots but hypocrites too.
@ new2man:
As for the equal human rights angle, how exactly is the LEGALITY of marriage considered a human right? If so, then can cousins marry? Siblings? If not, why? Instead of rushing to insult me, maybe you could actually think about your answer for a minute or two.
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Seriously, will ANYONE answer that question?
What should be restrictions on who can marry? If you say two consenting adults can be married if they in love, then that also applies to relatives. And if you argue that, then why not three consenting adults?
I dare you to respond with a throughout answer that doesn’t involve insults.
Oh, and before you bring up deformed babies from related couples — not every couple who gets married has kids.
anastasiabeav: Don’t you know that it’ll rip apart the very moral fiber of our entire society? That chaos will ensue and god will smite us with fiery balls of anti-gay doom! Babies will be aborted without the mother’s consent and we will all start to eat each other’s limbs!
CHAOS!!!
@ Chris
It’s good to her your opinion on this. There’s people on the left fringe and people on the right fringe screaming about this. And most of us are on the middle about this and can rationally look on the flaws of both parties.
I support equal legal rights for gay couples 100%. We should have civil unions across the board because peoples’ religious beliefs shouldn’t mix with legal benefits.
Whats the grandma look like?
@ anastasiabeaverhausen:
Now, no one has yet answered my question but I’ll try again: what horrible thing would happen (give me details) if gay couples were allowed to marry? Remember I’m not talking about churches, churches are private organizations that can decide for themselves and have. I’m talking about the LAW. What horrible thing would happen?
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In California when gay marriage was legal, forms were changed to gender neutral terms, “spouse A” and “spouse B”. Couple who wished to use the tradition designations could not.
The bigger issue for most people is the effect on this law passing on churches and religious institutions. Churches receive tax dollars. Churches which do not allow for same sex marriages would be penalized. Already in many states, Catholic adoption agencies have been shut down because they would not go against their doctrines.
I don’t believe churches should be forced to change their beliefs which they had have for hundreds of years. This is not something that should or could be legislated.
What is ironic is that there are MANY churches and denominations who are fully accepting of gays and have been for a LONG time (including gay clergy members/bishops). This number will only grow in time.
Opinion change in time. However, just like with race, there are some people who views won’t change. Forcing it doesn’t work. The important thing is that peoples’ personal views do NOT impact legal rights. THAT’s what the african american civil rights movement was really about — “Regardless if you like us or not, you absolutely CANNOT impede on our rights in a civil society”
As for those on the far left:
Leave the churches alone. Do not preach your agenda in schools. Those two things impede on peoples’ religion and family which the state has NO place in dictating.
I find it sad that people think gay marriage logically compares to incest, polygamy, rape, beastiality and pedophilia. Gay marriage is about two loving people making a legal and emotional committment to each other. And if “traditional” marriage is all about procreation, I think that it’s pretty much extinct in the Western world, everyone i know who’s gotten married did it because they love the other person and want a partner in life. Also, “traditional” marriage is a contract where women were treated as chattel. Polygamy in the Western world exists only in a small sect of christianity. And acts like incest, rape, pedophilia and beastiality aren’t about love, committment and definately not sex. They are about the power one human being holds over another (or animal). And the suggestion legalizing gay marriage is a slippery slope, that people will want to marry their dogs next, dogs aren’t legal entities and it’s impossible for them to sign a marriage contract.
If you believe homosexuality is wrong or that gay people shouldn’t get married, thats your right. But don’t deny other people’s rights if you want your own protected.
No one’s talking about getting in on the Church’s jurisdiction. It’s the church that’s always trying to butt in on state and federal rights. Separation of church and state? Tell the church that, and tell the church-goers that keep thrusting their notions of morality at me.
It’s about legal marriage, not white dress, church with a steeple marriage.
And what do you mean by “preaching our agenda in schools”? You mean disproving “creationism” as the bull that it is? Or?
“spouse A” and “spouse B”. Couple who wished to use the tradition designations could not.
OH NO!!!! My life is OVER. And I was so desperate to tick “wife”. God, I can’t go on now….
I highly doubt that they then proceed to introduce their significant others as “Hi, have you met my Spouse A Margie?”
Just because she doesn’t agree with it doesn’t make her a bigot. A bigot is someone who is completely intolerant and often portrayed as violently opposed to a belief. She hasn’t condemned gay relationships, just said that she doesn’t personally believe in them.
I for one think marriage is between a man and a woman because to me marriage is more than a social contract meant for benefits from the government or insurances etc.
I mean really, why stop at gay marriage? why not allow polygamy as well? and then the guys on jerry springer who want to marry their horse or car or themselves?
where do you draw the line?
Just how I feel. And thankfully as an American, I’m allowed to have those beliefs and not be crucified for them.
@ Karin:
Polygamy in the Western world exists only in a small sect of christianity.
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Wow. Here it is again. More proof of how hypocritical gay rights supports can be. For *some*, it’s only about securing gains for their group.
For your information, I spoke earlier about the idea of poly marriage and polyamous relationships. Not every is monogamous.
According to wikipedia:
“Polyamory and Latin amor [literally “love”]) is the desire, practice, or acceptance of having more than one loving, intimate relationship at a time with the full knowledge and consent of everyone involved.”
There are people out there who are in long term relationships with more than one partner. So there are people in the western world who are in poly relationship who are NOT christian fundamentals.
But, *some* gay rights supporters are so self righteous that they consider their alternative lifestyle the ONLY one that deserves legal recognition.
She is entiled to her beliefs, as others are entitled to theres but we need to respect both side although sadly perez is often childish about most things…anyway..
AS for the people who compared gay rights to race rights…umm Many people who are against gay marriage, are against homosexuality because it is condemmed in the bible! No where in the bible is being black or asian or arab or latino condemmed, SO people being against gay marriage is not like being against certain races….and gay rights are not similar to race rights in that aspect.
Also we could get into the massive argument of whether your born gay or not and that can also show the difference being gay rights and race rights…
Another Point: Jesus said to love our neighbor, so degrading people and treating them like crap is wrong according to the bible also..AS a christian, a person should never discriminate against a gay individual by calling them vulgar names, hurting or harming them in any way or harrasing them.
WE as christians HAVE NO RIGHT to vote against peoples rights!! WE as christians ARE TO BE LOVING AND NON-DISCRIMINATING, we should NOT be keeping people from there lives…WE do not gain friends and we do not show people god’s love in this way! RAllYing and VOTEing against gay marriage is not our place, God is letting all the things in this world go on adn all we have to do is ABSTAIN from them not keep others from them, thats those individuals choices…
Also SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!! the church has no place in politics(the bible even says so..)
AS for those who don’t believe in teh bible..you athiests can have your own beliefs, just please don’t call all of us normal christians crazy or weird or bigots..because as you can see I believe homosexual individuals can have the same rights as me, i just don’t agree with it but it is NOT my place to interfere. I dont know how it affects people anyway..no one will die…
I don’t care how people live there lives..I follow the bible, I believe what the bible says and that is my right, those who dont believe the bible or god have the right to do so also…
I don’t understand those gay people who claim to believe and follow god yet don’t follow the bible..or those straight people who claim to follow god yet agree with homosexuality..because it is clearly stated in the bible (1 corinthians 6:9), Anyway I could never understand that reasoning but those people have the right to their beliefs.
Another thing: A rather interesting and controversial point someone brought to me(and I don’t agree, but I will state it anyway) Is homosexuality a choice or are you born that way? and I was once told it’s just teh way you feel and you love those people(ie. men loving men) Pedophiles have said they can’t help there feelings and it’s not a choice for tehm either… they say the just love those people(ie. children) so all in all..I have alwasy just left the issues surrounding homosexuality…it can be to contriversial most of teh time.. I DON’T think homosexuals are liek pedophiles..I was just bringing out that point, another thing to bring out(as many already ahve) is Polygamy..who’s to say those individuals don’t have taht right? perhaps tehy can’t help that either?
we could go on adn on…..forever…
also sorry for any spelling mistakes! 🙂
Gay marriage wouldn’t subvert the very nature of society.
Whereas polygamy has historically been used as a means to subjugate women. I’m sure there are exceptions, but for the most part, polygamy results in a very man-centric world and usually (I again, note that I said USUALLY, not ALWAYS) results in a man/woman/woman union that is not equal.
Who gives an excrement?
I understand your wanting to be fair in your assessment, but the overkill kind of sucks the air out of an otherwise well stated article.
Let people do what they want!! lol
@ Annie:
Gay marriage wouldn’t subvert the very nature of society.
Whereas polygamy has historically been used as a means to subjugate women. I’m sure there are exceptions, but for the most part, polygamy results in a very man-centric world and usually (I again, note that I said USUALLY, not ALWAYS) results in a man/woman/woman union that is not equal.
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Did you even read my post above? Or did you just copy and paste your response from an earlier thread?
There are many people who say the nature of society come down to a MAN and a WOMAN together. This only proves your statement to be subjective.
Okay, try answering one more time. POLYAMORY does not place women in a subservient role (sense consent is at its very core). POLYGAMY as we know it is practiced by fundamentalist christian and islamic sects.
I’m already tired of her. I feel bad for the winner. This is a good article though. I’m glad you posted Miss Arizona’s answer. It was hilarious. My mother and I looked at each other and said that the same time “She didn’t even answer the question!!!” I’m still laughing.
I read your thread. I’ve read all your other threads (god only knows why) and I repeat myself because you’re still making a flimsy argument.
You’re basing this in a very fantasy-like world. Hypothetically speaking, it would be great if multiple people could equally love each other and feel equal love for several different people all at once and all that jazz, but it so rarely RARELY happens. More oftentimes than not, serious issues arise and more oftentimes than not, it’s ONE man with multiple wives.
I mean, really, look at all the homicide cases, if people were capable of loving other people and allowing those they love to love other people (all consenting adults involved here) why are so many homicides a result of jealousy?
Oh. And agreed Ana. I feel bad for the winner too. I don’t even know who the heck she is LOL. But I can now tell you who Miss California is dating, what her family thinks and that she’s apparently very Christian.
They asked her for her opinion. She gave it–and she did basically say “hey, if you want to get married and you’re the same sex, great for you. Do I personally agree with that? No, but go for it”. If what they wanted was for her to say, “yes, I believe everyone has the same rights, everyone should be able to get married” then they should have just handed her the cue card. Give me a break. And sexuality is not comparable with race.
I can tell who she is dating,and it’s not Michael Phelps.
Carrie Prejean did nothing wrong. What she voiced was how she feels. I too believe that marriage should be between a man and woman. In saying that it does not stop you from believing it is ok. I’m not mad at you for believing that it is ok to be gay. You can march up and down the road with a big gay sign and that’s ok. But let me walk down the road with a straight sign and all hell will break loose. Are your beliefs important to you or are my beliefs important to you? You can hug up to your gay lover all you want but if you ask me I will tell you I do not agree. Just like I don’t think shrimp should be covered in coconut. If you like coconut shrimp I could care less but if you ask me I will tell you I don’t like it. Opinions go both ways. That is what comes from freedom. Protest Iran for killing same sex lovers. All Prejean said is that it is not for her. So if what Prejean said bothers you pull your panties or whatever out of your butt and be glad we live in a place where YOU can state your beliefs.
she spoke the truth about what she believed in and honesty is a great value to posess,,,i do not agree with her answer but yes im proud of her for being true to herself instead of making up some bullshit to win the crown,,however all pageants are a big barrell of horseshit anyway,,who cares,,
Perez Hilton should never ask a gay question and NBC and the U S A pageant
shouldn’t allow it coming from a gay person. These gay people in the spot light alway looking for a flash lite.
Two thumbs up for Miss California and one middle finger for Perez Hilton.
Don’t you just love it when people who are busy shitting on other people get all upset when yet more people shit on them for their shitting?
Suckit, Prejean!!!
Her views are the same as the Presidents’s views. The only reason people are calling her a bigot are because they believe her.
Celebitchy, I like what you said and how you said it. What continually frustrates me about the far left is the total lack of tolerance and downright prejudice they have against anyone with Christian or conservative values, yet, they turn around and say conservatives are intolerant. It’s completely hypocritical. What you said is not. And to your readers out there who are calling Carrie Prejean a bigot, puhleeze. Are you seriously comparing gay marriage to the civil rights movement?? Really??? How many of you are being asked to sit in the back of a bus?? or being told to use separate bathrooms? You folks on the left need some serious perspective. And this idea that Jesus loves everyone so they should all get married is as twisted as I’ve ever heard. Hmmm…so does that mean that the guy who *loooves* his daughter should be able to marry her? Or the guy who wants 8 wives…should that be legal? But he LOVES them…and so does Jesus. So I guess they should all be able to get married. Here’s a newsflash folks: Marriage has been a religious tradition for eons. If everyone in the country is in agreement that civil unions are ok (which a MUCH greater majority of Americans are), why do you HAVE TO HAVE the marriage? Why? And to take it even further with comparing it to civil rights, just makes you all look….well….stupid.
Hmmm…so does that mean that the guy who *loooves* his daughter should be able to marry her? Or the guy who wants 8 wives…should that be legal? But he LOVES them…and so does Jesus.Marriage has been a religious tradition for eons.
It’s disingenuous and does your side of the argument no benefit by siting two purposefully illegal unions and comparing them to gay marriage. There are world of difference between two consenting adults who love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together as a couple to an incestuous relationship between a man and his daughter.
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour” (Exodus 20:16, the eighth Commandment).
Job 11:3,5, “Should thy lies make men hold their peace? and when thou mockest, shall no man make thee ashamed? But oh that God would speak, and open his lips against thee;”
Psalms 31:6, “I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD.”
Question 1) how serious can anybody take a question coming from such a douche as Trump or Perez?
Question 2) Why oh Why do beauty contestants get asked serious questions? They should ask them something that they are expert in, like, “i love your hair color, what steps did you achieve to accomplish that look? For your legs, Do you prefer pantyhose or spray tan? What have you found to be the best technique for hair removal, and how do you do it? What do you really think of Miss Florida?
that’s what they should be asked. and not asked by aforementioned douche #1 and douche #2 who somehow end up on every gawdamned reality show. snore
@ Annie:
You’re basing this in a very fantasy-like world. Hypothetically speaking, it would be great if multiple people could equally love each other and feel equal love for several different people all at once and all that jazz, but it so rarely RARELY happens. More oftentimes than not, serious issues arise and more oftentimes than not, it’s ONE man with multiple wives.
I mean, really, look at all the homicide cases, if people were capable of loving other people and allowing those they love to love other people (all consenting adults involved here) why are so many homicides a result of jealousy?
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Fantasy world?? Really. Tell that to the people over at –
www [dot] polyfamilies [dot]com
Now you’re comparing other alternative lifestyles to murder? And you say *I* have a flimsy argument?
At the end of the day, we’ll just have to agree to disagree because we’re debating back and forth but still not understanding each others’ point.
For the record I vote democratic and I am liberal. However, I do have some conservative views. Unlike those on the far right I don’t think we should legislate our views into law. Unfortunately, those on the far left share the same sentiment they accuse right wing radicals of.
We will never all agree in this country. What we need to preserve is the freedom to live the life that we choose — as long as it doesn’t not harm others.
Miley Cyrus, tommyboy, Mannix, Bossy:
I agree with you guys!
Especially on the point that the gay marriage movement is not analogous to the civil rights movement.
Every one of you are a bunch of jealous babies! Get over it! Carrie is a beautiful girl, both inside and out. Just because you may not agree with her answer, doesn’t mean she’s a bigot. All of you need to grow up and get a life!
If the reason Miss California lost the Miss USA pageant is because she voiced her personal opinion. Then I think some judges have lost their perspective on what it means to be part of the United States of America. What is the United States of America? It is the land where you have freedom of religion, freedom of choice and freedom of speech. Miss California exercised her personal freedom of speech. She acknowledged that the United States of America provides many freedoms to the people, but her personal opinion is marriage is between a man and a woman. This is exactly what it means to be an American – we can say things out loud and we will not be punished for it. How refreshing it is to hear someone share their heartfelt opinion and how sad it is that others ridicule her for it. But the freedom of speech belongs to every American
I believe we are all entitled to our beliefs whether they are god given or not. To hinder the liberty of being able to say what we wish is against the very principles of this nation. I know that its easy to jump the gun when other people do not see eye to eye with you. But this world is full of people with different beliefs and ideas and most of them will never match up. Its not ignorance if we do not believe in gay marriage its is our choice. Just like gays have theirs. I have several gay and lesbian friends and although i want them to be happy, i cannot and will not change my belief structure. I am happy for them seeking their own means of happiness; likewise i will always be happy for my beliefs as well. I don’t try to change them from their choice, nor do i chastise their beliefs. It is up to them to chose. I respect their choice, i believe the American gay culture should respect ours as well. Something so rudimentary to our way of life is completely opposite with theirs, this i understand. But intolerance and bigotry in my opinion can go both ways.
let them take the crown, God have one for all His own. Let them dig up you past, tell them you have a sexy ass. Let them call you names, it only increase your fame. Let them say you tell lies, when you are sweet you attract flies.You are beautiful and you are bold, please remain solid as gold. God made woman for man for sexual pleasure and reproduction. Stand up for God, He can make you glad even if others say you are bad. One love.
1. Gays should not be allowed to judge female beauty contests. the hot dogs are not present!
2. A beauty pageant should be judged on her beauty, musical skills, and athletics. Do not expect her to be a debater!
3. All beauty contestants should model semi-nude during the pageant so that ridiculous rule can be abolished with prohibition!!!!1
Miss California is a hypocrite! She is telling our young people………do not give people their Constitutional Rights, but is okay to take racy pictures to be broadcast around the world…….just because you are a heterosexual.
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