This is the second unflattering magazine cover for Chloe Grace Moretz in as many days. Dear mag editors: figure out this young lady’s angles! And stop Photoshopping her face to this crazy degree. Chloe covers the new issues of InStyle UK (I covered that yesterday) and Glamour Mag to promote her role in Neighbors 2. Most of the conversation is about feminism and Kim Kardashian and selfies though. Back in March, Chloe tweeted some body-policing shade at Kim Kardashian after Kim posted a semi-nude selfie on her social media. Kim posing for or posting nude photos is nothing new, and I’m still bewildered by the fact that one stupid selfie caused so much “controversy.” Chloe already defended herself after the incident, saying that the claim that she was slut-shaming Kim was just “a very big, fiery button to hide behind.” In this Glamour interview, she says more words.
The type of celebrity who pushes her buttons: “One who appropriates bad gender stereotypes, appropriates a lot of exclusivity, is very rich and niche-y. Or someone who overtly tries to be normal, when that’s the opposite of who I know they are.”
Why she sent that tweet to Kim Kardashian: “I had just gotten off a plane from South Korea, I was incredibly jet-lagged, and I couldn’t take one more thing. I saw that photo, and I had to say something. That picture wasn’t linked to body confidence. It wasn’t a #BodyConfidence or #LoveWhoYouAre. It was done in a slightly voyeuristic light, which I felt was a little inappropriate for young women to see. … I would hate for young women to feel they need to post certain photos in order to gain likes, retweets, favorites, and male attention.… I wasn’t slut-shaming. It’s not about body shaming.
When Kim shaded her for not being famous enough: “I started laughing. I was at dinner with my family [when] I got the notification [on my phone]. I look at it and I go, “Oh my God. She responded.” My mom took the most offense to it because it was girl-on-girl hate and Kim didn’t come back with an educated response on body confidence. It was aggressive, and also it was incorrect. I don’t have 45 million followers or a TV show that follows my life. But people know who I am. I pride myself on having opinions, and I don’t express them in snarky ways toward people.
When Kim said that she’s empowered by her nude selfies: “I think that was interesting. I wish that it had come out earlier. It was a great message; it was just a little late.”
Why she posts her own bikini photos: “I do it because it’s a body-confidence thing. I posted one in Mexico. I felt good, and I was wearing a bikini on a beach. It wasn’t me sexualizing myself. It was with a beautiful background. When I posted it, I knew that there would be a lot of young women looking. So I made sure that it was tasteful…. I get called prudish.”
She says more about feminism and how now she understands that it’s all about equality, and when she was 13 years old she maybe thought feminism meant that you hated men. That part is uncontroversial. This conversation about Kim, selfies, empowerment and confidence is still nagging at me though. I know a lot of you are pro-Chloe and anti-Kim on this, but I honestly think that most of that is just a knee-jerk hatred of Kim, regardless of what she’s doing or why. Kim is an easy target, because she wants to be a target, and she loves being embroiled in social media scandals and controversies. But really, if you ignore the fact that this controversy is about someone most people loathe, Chloe’s argument makes no sense. She tried to shame Kim for posting a semi-nude photo because it wasn’t “linked to body confidence” and then complains about the voyeurism of the shot… a selfie Kim took in a mirror, and chose to post herself, of her own free will. Chloe’s argument boils down to “I didn’t like the photo, therefore she shouldn’t have posted it, but it’s totally fine when I post my own bikini shots.” Where does “every woman has the right to make her own choices about her body” come into play?
Photos courtesy of Glamour.
Kudos to her for having the cojones to stand up to that trash.
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Those quotes would feel more genuine if I weren’t looking at her bra.
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Kims photos were clearly in service of the male gaze. I havent seen Chloes bikini photos but if they are anything like my friends vacation photos then she intentionally trying to give the boys something to fap to or show the girls how to get male attention.
Yes, I thought we went through all this when it first happened. Kim did clearly did not post that because “Feninism” or “body confidence”. She posted it for attention from men and she wanted people to tell her how hot she was, end of story. You cannot call every nude selfie that every woman has posted female empowerment just because it’s a woman and it’s a nude.
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She’s happy, the men seeing it are happy. No one is losing in that equation. The people hating on either of them are in the wrong. Neither of these women collectively represent women. Their actions should not be treated as such.
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There’s a difference between posting bikini pictures of you while you’re on vacation and posting nude pictures to get attention…..
Kim can do whatever she wants with her body, but don’t try to b.s. and say it’s female empowerment, when it’s really Kim wanting people to say she’s hot.
I love that jacket in the first picture
Posting bikini pictures on vacation is also about attention. If she wasn’t looking for attention she wouldn’t have shared them, because what’s the point.
I don’t see much difference between attention whoring with black lines covering your privates, and attention whoring with a small piece of fabric covering your privates. At least Kim got the attention by herself and didn’t have to jump on another attention whores coattails. That Chloe is still talking about this should tell everyone that she’s desperate for attention. And why wouldn’t she be, her career peaked with her breakthrough role. This beef with Kim is the most attention she’s gotten since she was Hit Girl.
Okay but you could say that posting pictures of your holiday in general is about attention. If you’re on holiday at a beach, it would make little sense to get fully dressed just for photographs.
I couldn’t agree more with you, Snowflake. There was no slut or body shaming in Chloe’s remarks. Still rolling my eyes at 30-something Kim K’s nasty and childish reply to teenager Chloe.
I expected nothing else from Kimbo. She’s totally like high school despite being 37 years old.
That’s how I feel. Be naked but own it.
There’s this ‘Old Hollywood’ male hatred of Kim and her ‘kind of fame’, too. She’s been called all kinds of negative things. She’s the butt of every joke (a la Lohan), and it’s kind of gross at this point. I have to admire her for doing her thing in the face of all that. I can’t even handle one internet argument.
I have a hard time admiring someone who has decided that her path to money and fame is to humiliate herself over and over again. This trend to become famous at any cost is truly sickening to me. Just become it has become a more common path doesn’t make it right or admirable.
I agree with you. I think you do you. I’m not judging Kim for posting nude pics. Girl power. But would I post a nude pic? No. It’s all a matter of opinion and chloes makes no sense to me. Shes saying since it’s not done the way she sees fit, it’s wrong. Grow up kid.
She sounds really stupid here.
She’s saying Kim posts those pictures to receive attention from men, the general public, etc. and she didn’t want young women to think that you need to only use your body to get that attention. Whereas she posted her own body pictures because she felt good about herself.
There is a difference, although I’m not sure what the truth is in this situation. However, it’s not body shaming or slut shaming when someone points out what Kim is doing.
KK’s following skews preteen, teens so I’m somewhat CM team on this. KK’s all about attention seeking and I’d hate for my daughter to think this is the way to ” express herself”
I am Team Nobody on this one. I don’t really want to see any more Kardashian flesh, and I don’t need a repeat of the musings of a 19 year old model/actor busily policing feminism, appropriation, and body confidence.
Whatever the case was, I agree with Chloe.When Kim posted the picture it was not about anything but showing off her old body. When Chloe responded to it, Kim didn’t say anything about body confidence or empowerment. She immediately talked about how Chloe wasn’t as famous as her and about how much money she had.
The empowerment and slut shaming(which Kim didn’t get by the way, no one said anything about her sexual activities at all) only started when others brought it up.
The argument is stupid anyway,Kim has tons of work done. That isn’t empowering that she changed everything she didn’t like. Kim just took advantage of the fact some people thought she was being bullied.
I agree Kim is a easy target, a lot of people dislikes her, but she wasn’t doing it for anything other then,”Im posting a censored selfie today”
Nothing more or less. Kim has done so much to her body at this point, its obvious she isn’t comfortable with who she is.
Please don’t bring this topic up again, Im so sick of it.
I have no strong feelings either way, and I don’t know if she was body-shaming Kardashian, but I liked what she had to say here: I would hate for young women to feel they need to post certain photos in order to gain likes, retweets, favorites, and male attention.
Even if we take the pic ourself, and post it ourself, we still live in a patriarchal world dominated by the male gaze. Not saying everything we do is because BRAINWASHIN MENZ RULE but just acknowledging that approval for women in this effed up world is a very complex thing.
@ Trixie Thank you! This is a very complex issue. But objectification is objectification to a patriarchal culture which Kim is making a living off of.
I’m still pro-Chloe. She’s absolutely right. So was Bette Midler. No one was slut shaming Kim. We are all tired of Kim’s naked selfies. Find something new to post, Kim. She’s not interested in empowering women. She wants adulation for herself.
Kim’s intention with her selfies and outrageous photoshoots is to “break the internet” ie get attention. It’s not about body confidence or whatever she said later. That being said, I don’t really see much point in criticising her at this point.
A few years ago there was a blind item attributed to Chloe where she attacked a Victoria’s Secret model for being married to a black guy and having a baby with him. I do not know if it was true or she was who they were referring to but I have looked askance at her ever since. Not fair probably but true nonetheless. Hollywood has a long history of massive hypocrites.
I’m team nobody. I don’t think Kim posting nude selfies has the first thing to do with feminism, and I don’t think Chloe’s I was jet lagged but what I said was true made much sense, either.
I think that she has a problem with Kim trying to portray nude selfies as “feminist” or “empowering” not with Kim taking nude selfies. And she’s right.
I think the fact that Kim’s naked is neither here nor there. The yucky feeling that we all get from her photos is the extreme vanity and narcissism of it all! Self love is great and people should do whatever they want but if you love yourself too much to the point of obsession you become a NARCISSIST. I’d feel the same way about a man in the exact same situation, this has nothing to do with feminism or empowerment. Kim’s just a whole lot of YUCK and we need to stop trying to find meaning in what she does.
There’s nothing positive about posting a year old photoshopped picture where you look skinny (in her head) and try to pass it off as empowerment. I don’t know a single person that is empowered by Kim and her family. I’m close to her body type, in fact I’m her exact body type (5″5. 34-28-41). Lots of other black women like me look like that. It’s not empowering to know that her body is the product of a good surgeon and is applauded because she’s white while black woman are derided for having same body. It also goes when Jennifer Lopez gets applauded for being the big booty pioneer because she’s white. It was a thing before either of them and I don’t blame them for people buying into it.
Now back to the original issue, that photo wasn’t empowering. Kim was at home starving to get back her pre-baby body and wasn’t getting papped but needed attention hence that YEAR OLD PHOTO
You know what would be funny? Chloe Grace Moretz winning an Oscar in 2 years while Kim 36 years old Kim Kardashian stays posting old photoshopped nude pictures
Yep! The Kardashians are applauded for things they flat out stole from Black culture/women, yet get none of the blowback that black women do.
I totally agree with Kaiser on this one. If we could jstop being offended by women’s bodies and sexuality. As for the male gaze, the whole point behind that is that you are not shamed and ridiculed when males view you in a sexual light. Almost everybody is a sexual being. Not just men. Women should be free to express themselves sexually!
If I say every little thing having a jet-lag Melissandre will be my baby sister.
What a pile of utter BS this girl is spewing under the cover of Feminism-R-US
A few things. 1. I think she is almost impossibly beautiful, but in a fae sort of way…but lately photos of her make her look terrible. 2. Chloe Moretz rolls off the tongue much, much better than Chloe Grace Moretz. I wish she’d stop that. 3. Good for her.
I agree and I think she just doesn’t photograph particularly well. She’s one of those people who is absolutely stunning in motion/on film, but it doesn’t translate to still photographs for whatever reason.
I agree, she is really pretty but these photos are so unflattering.
She looks like one of the Hansen Brothers in these photos!!! I’m right, aren’t I?
Maybe she’s right but I don’t really want to be schooled by some teenager about empowerment and stuff like that. Kim wasn’t even insulting anyone. And what is wrong about women wanting to be desired by men? Will Chloe call out Rihanna or Beyonce if they took naked selfies? I agree, Kim is an easy target.
Why do you have a problem with being “schooled by some teenager”? Do you look down on people because of their age?
Nah. Rihanna and Beyoncé get criticism for rejecting modesty all the time. If Chloe and Pink want to prove that they’re not just the same old, same old Not-that-kind-of girl Activists being sexist to get attention and elevate themselves, they’ll come out and criticize Channing Tatum and Justin Bieber for using bodies and sexuality for attention too. You can’t let men do something and expect women not to do it too.
I don’t think Chloe’s argument makes a lot of sense but I agree that kim doesn’t send a good message.
And while Chloe’s argument doesn’t make a lot of sense based on her behavior she isn’t wrong Kim didn’t do this about body confidence or anti slut shaming or whatever she tried to pull she did it because she wanted attention.
Yeah I think Chloe did not do a good job of explaining herself here. She would have had time to prepare for questions about this incident and she should’ve had a better set of responses planned.
She made it sound like she actually regrets it, because it was “because she was jet-lagged” aka not thinking clearly or cranky/tired.
how many times is this chick gonna talk about “appropriating” in interviews? learn a new buzz word to try and impress everyone with.
Sad day when a 19 yo girl is more intelligent and mature than an grown ass 37 yo mother of 2. Kim does trashy things only for male attention and we are supposed to clap for her in the name of feminism ? not here for that .
I hate when she’s trying to justify “I was jet lagged”. I don’t think she was body shaming Kim but she was policing her “you have 2 kids you don’t have to behave like that”. It is not hers to tell how a mother of 2 should behave and she does not represent the “prude behaviour movement”.
I hate to see Kim clinging to her skinny days and posting nude pictures. I also hate sex bars. But I won’t go there and ask them to shut it down. That’s how society works.
Good point. As a woman and a feminist, I don’t want women to think they have to get husbands or bare children in order to have worth. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to go around shaming any other women for getting married, having babies, posting selfies that involve weddings, spouses, pregnancies, or babies, or celebrities who get entire magazine spreads devoted to spouses, pregnancies, babies, and weddings either. I wouldn’t accuse them of perpetuating the idea that women are ‘fertility objects’ instead of people or promoting the idea that a woman is nothing without a husband just by existing as women who are celebrating having husbands or babies. People need to apply that to the issue of modesty and sexuality as well.
“Chloe’s argument boils down to “I didn’t like the photo, therefore she shouldn’t have posted it, but it’s totally fine when I post my own bikini shots.”” <- THIS!! Exactly what I was thinking when I read her poorly constructed response.
I have to agree. Her defense was pretty lame, especially since she does very similar things.
I feel like the first quote about rich, exclusive, niche people who pretend to be normal is Taylor Swift shade?
Hehe it’s totally true – how, in any way, is there any body positivity background when you post an old photo of before you were pregnant?
If you loved your body, you’d post a CURRENT photo
I like Chloe – she has a good head on her shoulders and is a good actress. She’ll go far with the right choices.
All the celebrities involved in this situation- Kim K, Chloe Moretz, Pink- were seeking attention for themselves. Kim was trying to ‘break the internet’ with another nude selfie and used tweets and that (spot-on, but still attention-seeking) essay to milk even more attention for herself, and Chloe and Pink’s attention-seeking in this came in the hypocritical, Not-that-Kind-of-Girl activism form of “Let’s self-righteously elevate ourselves and prove our worth by concern-trolling about and condemning another woman’s ‘slutty behavior’ in order to make ourselves look better, more ‘feminist’, more moral, and so above it, pass the same old-respectability politics off as feminist cultural critique, and randomly insert ourselves in some other celeb’s public drama (like Taylor Swift, Rita Ora, Mayim Bialik, Rashida Jones, Iggy Azaelea, and others) for free publicity.”
But because policing women’s sexual modesty has been the norm for humans for the very long time, so people who’s beliefs about this are more on the conservative side won’t see the sexism, thirst, and self-righteousness of Chloe and Pink. I’m not team Kim K, but I’m not team Cloe either, and I agree with Kaiser. Chloe’s argument of “I don’t want women to think they have to……(fill in the blank with pose nude, have sex, have casual sex, dress conservatively, not have sex, become a mother, get married, or any other decision women might make), so therefore any woman who……. is doing something inappropriate and must be shamed for it” doesn’t make sense as a feminist argument either.
Okay, I don’t post often so be kind… haha. I’m here to learn and I love reading all the comments on this site. I think what sticks out to me about this is that if you take Kim K out of the equation, then to a certain extent what Chloe Grace Moretz is saying is leaning a bit towards body-policing. I certainly don’t want anyone to tell me what I can and can’t do with my body, whether it is going to the gym or competing in a body building competition, or taking a bikini pic if someday I ever go on a fantastic holiday. Is the real problem that this is just another naked picture of Kim K and not that someone took a nude selfie? I am genuinely curious about it and like I said, here to learn.
I realize the argument that we may be harder on Kim because of who she is, is somewhat correct. How can we separate Kim from all of her attention seeking antics when never once did she frame it as empowerment. Her whole thing is attention only. That’s it. No deep message. Now since it is chic she jumps on the bandwagon.
Kim can express herself nude for the rest of her life and post it and I can say what I think about it. I don’t have negative judgments about sex workers or women who use their sexuality like a sledgehammer, I think there is power in that. I’m all for sensuality and breaking through the crap but if she were her brother I would still say bs. In fact I would think he was creepy.
I don’t particularly like body centered men just like I don’t like vanity in women. I don’t like desperation and thirst for public adoration at all costs.
When I see her body I see the whole person and include that in my opinions. To me they are connected. It is Kim naked again and she is the same person who does things I loathe and stands for nothing.
I don’t really like Chloe – she’s going to be even more arrogant when she hits 25 or whatever – but she’s right. Kim’s an opportunistic idiot whose main talent is fetishizing herself and her various body parts in the name of clicks and advertising cash and building her trashy empire. Sorry, I don’t consider serving your T and A up like a tray of BBQ feminism. Feminism is not about overt sexualisation; it’s partly about knowing you’re much more than your sexuality while not letting anyone else own it. The body policing thing is a fine line to walk though, especially if you want to have a public dialogue about women’s right to do what they want with their bodies.
I shock myself by same….team Kim on this one.
Her body, her choice.
But really, if you ignore the fact that this controversy is about someone most people loathe, Chloe’s argument makes no sense. – I disagree. It makes sense to me because it is said about someone who lives off of the body image and sexuality. Sex tape made the kk and the klan. So that is teaching young girls a very wrong idea –it is great when you are empowered by your body, but saying that selling your body image is all the talent you need to get ahead in life is just wrong. Besides it’s one thing to celebrate tour body as it is and it is complitely another to have an extensive surgery, photoshoping before you display your body and lie about your weight, etc. I also think that Kimey likes to talk about positive body image, celebrate her curves and big ass is she will never get to size 2 or 0 and if she could she would. All together it is not accepting your body, it’s selling your image.
Kim trashian need to be stood up to. How many REAL women in the world do what she does? i’d say close to 90 percent of women do not take nude photos to have to be proud of their bodies. This girl is using her mind to fight and brains over matter is much stronger.