Monday morning, Jennifer Lopez and Lin-Manuel Miranda performed their new single on the Today Show. The single is “Love Makes the World Go Round,” and it’s a tribute to the victims of the Pulse Nightclub attack. The proceeds from the single go to the Hispanic Federation’s Proyecto Somos Orlando initiative. I didn’t know Lin-Manuel and J.Lo were that close, honestly, but they are both Puerto Rican and they both grew up in the New York area, so maybe that was enough. True story: to perform their song live on the Today Show – a song which is for charity, for the love of God – Jennifer wore a La Perla bra-top that retails for $1,458. Her terrible pants are also by La Perla.
Why are we even talking about this? Because Jennifer Lopez tweeted a photo of herself and Lin-Manuel at the Today Show. The tweet was aimed at promoting the song, I’m sure. But the hashtag she used caused some side-eyes and some Twitter rage. You see, J.Lo is one of those “all lives matter” people. This was her tweet, which she deleted very quickly when commenters went HAM on her.
At this point in time, I do think people should stop with the “all lives matter” stuff. The point of #BlackLivesMatter is that black people are tired of being treated like their lives don’t matter. It’s a rallying cry of “don’t we count too?” And “why aren’t our lives worth as much as white lives?” #BlackLivesMatter cuts to the heart of the inequities faced by the black community at every level. If you want to expand the conversation to #BrownLivesMatter, that is absolutely a conversation that needs to happen too, and I believe most Black Lives Matter activists would recognize that “brown” lives are undervalued as well, that there are structural inequalities for Hispanics, Arab-Americans, etc. BLM isn’t anti-intersectionality, it’s the start of a larger conversation. And J.Lo was wrong to go to the “All Lives Matter” trap. And she got called out for it.
Puffy ain't dedicate 34 I Need a Girl's to Jennifer Lopez so she could be out here All Lives Matter-ing
— Ol' QWERTY Bastard (@TheDiLLon1) July 12, 2016
Jennifer Lopez dropped a "All Lives Matter " tweet.
Shakira would never.
— JR Anthony (@HarlemGetsMoney) July 12, 2016
Jennifer Lopez said All Lives Matter? This can't be the same hoe that was lip syncing to Ashanti's vocals her whole career.
— I Luh God ✨ (@aVeryRichBitch) July 12, 2016
Wait, J.Lo really said #AllLivesMatter like she didn't make at least 17 attempts to be black between 1992 – 2000?
— Princeton Anglaise (@3rdAndMiles) July 12, 2016
I think J.Lo didn't realize how offensive #AllLivesMatter is to so many people.
— Black Girl Nerds (@BlackGirlNerds) July 12, 2016
Don't be concerned with screenshots that I got. We know you no longer Jenny from the Block. @JLo pic.twitter.com/CoouWzs3Gw
— Ol' QWERTY Bastard (@TheDiLLon1) July 12, 2016
Photos courtesy of WENN.
She’s another one that should just stop. You profited off our culture so go have all the seats.
And let Lin do the promotion from now on.
how did she profit from your culture? she’s got parents from puero rico, she’s behaving like an american and like a latina….that’s her thing.pop and latin pop.
You must have missed Jlo from the 90s then. Also please see all the controversy of her singing all spanish albums…while not knowing how to speak a lick of spanish
No you seriously must have missed J.Lo from the 90’s when she was happily singing the 9 word and doing all her videos in urban neighborhoods.
Yes to 90s early 00s JLo, before she went Hollyweird. When she had a black boyfriend, urban backdrops in her videos, showed up for black artist videos, rocked the black hairstyles and wanted to use the n-word in her songs. Now she is #alllivesmatters. Ok Jenny from the block.
don’t be fooled by the rocks that she got…
…in her head.
and remember when JLO said the n word in her song?
She used to be on In Living Color too. She was one of the original fly girls!
Ugh, I can’t believe I’m defending JLo but here goes: Puerto Rican culture is Afro Latino. The island has always had a large African descended population that influences everything from the food, music, hair and our large culos. Puerto Ricans were involved in hip hop and grafitti culture dating back to the 70s. JLo wasn’t appropriating anything back in the 90s. She mainstreamed the culture and music that were already being created and consumed by Puerto Ricans in the Bronx.
Having said that, she’s an idiot and probably had no idea of the political implications of all lives matter. She’s seriously not that bright.
#notallmen What? Which thread am I on? Sorry, all these hashtags intended only to quickly silence other’s pain run together for me. The Dallas shooting was so horrifying and tragic, but we can’t let it derail what is still a very powerful message. The BLM movement matters so much because it needs to be said, repeatedly. There’s a callous, shoulder shrugging attitude about yet another routine traffic stop turned fatal, where there needs to be outrage and scrutiny.
Well said.
Excellent point Bettyrose.
Amen, Bettyrose.
It is that aggressive almost fervent knsistance to demand we not focus on black people that makes the need for Black Lives Matter more and more apparent.
same people who think that racism is created by people who talk about it.
Thanks, Obama!
/sarcasm
ESE, Amen.
YAAAAASSSSSS
UGH to #AllLivesMatter and #NotAllMen……#NotThePoint
Excellent comment Bettyrose
Those tweets are fantastic, and JLo should have known better. That said, all the pride flags (as well as the song’s purpose) make me wonder if she felt #blacklivesmatter wasn’t appropriate for the victims of Orlando, and that’s why she didn’t use it, but something that in her mind was in the same spirit. Dumb move, though.
Good point, I would imagine her intentions were good but she picked the wrong hashtag. On the same night a singer at the All Star game went rogue and incorporated it into his song. Sigh. This insistence on countering/dismissing BLM is so depressing. What is so hard to get?
Whaaaat?? At the all star game?
Man I’m glad I missed it precisely for the reasons you stated.
The baseball game? He changed the lyrics of the Canadian national anthem to insert the all lives matter stuff. He’s since been removed from The Tenors.
“The baseball game? He changed the lyrics of the Canadian national anthem to insert the all lives matter stuff. He’s since been removed from The Tenors.”
Seriously? Just NO. There is a point where it is just such a “What were you thinking?” moment…
And her outfit is gross.
She should’ve just used the specific Orlando hashtags like everyone else has been doing.
Yeah, that wouldn’t have been way better. Would require her to actually give this some thought, though, and I agree with all the comments about how self-centered she is.
Yeah this would have been the better angle for sure.
I’m not moved to defend her at all, but I do believe that she was mistakenly trying to send a message of inclusivity, without realizing what’s at the heart of the AllLivesMatter hashtag. She strikes me as a bit insular and stuck up her own ass at times so it’s possible she doesn’t know how effed up ALM is.
Kitten, I am inclined to agree with you, but SUCH a bad idea…
The “lip synching Ashanti’s vocals” tweet is amazing. Other than that, I think madame JLo has been out of touch for a very long time
That tweet tho….
Jenny messed up. Hopefully she’ll make a corrective statement/tweet so we and she can move on quickly.
–TheRealPinky
@snazzy: I saw the Ashanti tweet yesterday at Lainey’s. It is pretty good indeed!
That was a pretty good burn.
Can you guys please explain the Ashanti tweet to me?
I am not familiar with her music (although I love Foolish) although I have heard she’s very talented and totally underrated..
@BISHG: it seems many of Jennifer Lopez songs were stolen/plagiarized from other artists…she “sang” over Ashanti’s vocals in “ain’t that funny”, which was written by Ashanti.
JLo stole all of Ashanti’s early work when she was trying to break out as a singer-songwriter. Every single was stolen without the vocals even being changed. She just lipsynched over Ashanti’s and others vocals.
https://twitter.com/RicheyCollazo/status/749120161630658564
I can’t believe I have never heard about this until now!
Thank you! Now off to read everything about it..
Those tweets though…. HAHAHAHAHA!
And I absolutely second the tweet about J.Lo trying to appeal to a Black audience for a long time, and now she’s #AllLivesMatter??? THIS is the part about cultural appropriation that Jesse Williams was talking about. People enjoying “Blackness” and disregarding Black people. I think J.Lo meant no offense, but the use of that hash tag right now is unbelievably dense.
You are so right. It’s funny, because I followed a link from Lainey I think about how music in the 2000s was very dance and r and b focused and in the last five years or so it’s gone more Taylor Swift, Katy Perry (what i call white people who can’t dance music lol). Anyway, it’s an interesting point that j lo really DID try to be black when black music was king and now she’s backed away from that.
EXACTLY.
It is amazing how easy it is to come to this conclusion and how people STILL claim they don’t see it.
Yes, electropop has really taken over and everyone has hopped on that bandwagon. It’s not to say that J.Lo’s music can’t/shouldn’t evolve, but cultural appropriation of this sort is just so egregious. Like I said, I don’t think she meant harm (and probably didn’t sit down to think of anything else more inclusive), but it was just dumb.
There is no invisible ONLY in front of #BlackLivesMatter.
I stole that from a brilliant open letter by a law professor I read and intend to use it often.
Agreed Sixer. The conversation could go on and on but that just about sums it up perfectly.
YES. That’s perfect. It’s really not that hard to understand. The willful ignorance is mind-boggling.
I read that letter as well and it is really perfect.
It seems like some of these ‘alllivesmatter’ folks are terrible racists and many of them are just out of touch/ignorant and badly informed.
The Tenors changed the lyrics to “O Canada” at the MLB All Star game to include a line about all lives matter and you have to wonder what on earth made them think that was a good idea – was it a major political statement in a supremely weird venue or was it some misguided attempt to recognize all the brutality while basically dismissing the BLM movement.
I read that only the one Tenor did that without the consent of the others, who were apparently horrified. It’s hard to know if he was dismissing the BLM movement or trying to be supportive. I’m guessing it’s the first if he felt the need to be secretive about it. It was really weird.
Apparently it wasn’t all the Tenors, but just the one guy who busted out the all lives matter sign during his solo, and changed the lyrics to the Canadian anthem. There are clips online showing the other guys looking over with WTF faces.. And the idiot has been kicked out of the group.
Brilliant Sixer. Do you have a link to that open letter?
Letter here:
http://imgur.com/a/YkDVQ
You have to bear through reading the complaint that prompted it first, I’m afraid!
Yes, that letter is everything. It was circulating in teacher groups.
Nice.
That letter is pure gold, I read it from Jesse Williams tumblr ; I re-read it 3 times because it was that brilliant.
Love your post Sixer and Thanks for posting the link.
That’s perfect.
Some people just can’t do it. By admitting that black lives matter, they’d be admitting that there’s a problem that needs to be addressed. You can’t un-wake up to that fact once you acknowledge it, and so you have to do something about it. The #alllivesmatter people would rather stay comfortable than be awake.
Really shambles, by admitting that all lives matter I’m ignorant to black issues? I believe the Game said it perfect/fly at the LAPD graduation. Its not about who did what, time is to open communications, talking,coming together. I’m sorry but I refuse to have white guilt because a white man killed a black man, my heart n prayers go to him n his loved ones, I hope the killer pays for his crime n changes come about, just like I don’t blame all blacks for the shooting of the Korean 7/11 last summer.I blame the man. I get what Nom men’s but it is not going about it the right way. If nom so much than 83% of homicides against African Americans was done by African Americans, why is that not a matter? As white on white crime is 74%, now were going to attack her for saying all lives matter,don’t they?
Amelia you started off on some Fox-News I care about everybody but let me specifically tell you what’s wrong with black communities bull and it all just devolved from there.
I assume in your rush to repeat the kind of trope that those who cling to phrases like white guilt repeat you hit a few wrong keys on the keyboard.
Amelia, I just listened to a very articulate BLM activist who simplified it pretty well. He said if there was a rally or conference on HIV-AIDS, he wouldn’t run in and yell “Cancer Matters.” There is much work to be done on many fronts. BLM is not dismissing all other lives just because they’re trying to bring greater attention to the issues they face.
“I’m sorry but I refuse to have white guilt because a white man killed a black man.”
wow.
As a white person, I don’t see how another white person could deny the injustices that have set themselves up in our country’s institutions. The justice system hasn’t been treating people equally for DECADES now. [edited to add: more than decades of course, hundreds of years!]
This isn’t just about “A white man killed A black man”. This is about MANY black men being killed without cause or due process over and over and over again.
If you don’t feel troubled by the lack of equality in our justice system, then you have not been paying attention.
I hope my lack of response to that comment didn’t make it seem like I didn’t care. I’m hugely passionate about what’s going on in our country right now. I just didn’t even want to dignify that bullsh*t with a response, and I’m honestly just tired. I’ve been trying to explain it to people in real life ever since I posted a picture from a rally I went to where I was holding a sign that said “black lives matter.” I know POC are beyond tired of this shit and I don’t want to sound like I’m whining. I just couldn’t muster the energy to do it this morning, especially in reply to a comment that was so utterly ridiculous.
Plus, you guys said it all. You’re amazing.
this.
to add, I’ve seen people try to explain it with analogies to cancer groups…as in, breast cancer groups don’t have a stance that no OTHER cancers matter, just that breast cancer is THEIR focus. so, think of BLM as a focus group.,,doesn’t mean that OTHER lives don’t matter, just that making people see that Black lives actually matter is THEIR focus.
A ha, that’s a good way to explain it. I see a number of people (and a nearby police department!) posting #alllivesmatter and simply not understanding why it’s wrong.
Also like what Sixer posted.
Yes! I posted a comic on facebook about this the other day … It was “all lives matter = all houses matter” and then the next photo is two houses, one on fire and one ok. And the firefighters focusing on the house that isn’t on fire because … well, all houses matter.
snazzy, saw that comic and that’s also a good way to explain it. yes, everyone’s houses matter, but when one is on fire, THAT’S the one that need immediate attention.
someone posted another good one below, about three people in a restaurant. two get served food and the third is like “hey, I’m hungry too!” and the other two who are eating, say “well, we’re ALL hungry” and keep eating while the third has nothing.
Sixer, yes!
A woman interviewed on a news clip said “until black lives matter, ‘all lives matter’ is a lie”.
I literally stood up and cheered in my living room!
I finally got it through a family member’s thick head who kept posting “all lives matter” that it’s not saying “only black lives matter” it’s saying “black lives matter, also”.
Confession, last year I seriously was not getting the BLM thing. I don’t live in America but after reading so many posts from this site and others did I start to understand. It was only last week before Dallas, explaining to my sister what white privilege was.
I now realise what BLM means and how if all lives matter was really true, than you guys wouldn’t need BLM. It’s not all lives matters and I think people that don’t get it are not crital thinkers and can’t see the forest and are only looking at the tree.
It’s helped me in awareness regarding our own indigenous people and what white privilege I have over them. Real eye opener.
I saw a great explanation of why #alllivesmatter is not helpful recently:
Bob and 3 friends go to a restaurant together and order dinner. The waiter brings everyone their meals except for Bob. Bob says, “I’m hungry, I deserve food.” The other 3 friends look up from their meals and say, “We all deserve food” and then go back to eating. Their declarations did nothing to help Bob, and Bob is still without food.
#alllivesmatter does nothing to solve problems; rather, it’s a distraction from the issue at hand.
Side note: She [JLo] dresses so silly.
#AllLivesMatter is derailment, pure and simple.
Amen. man, Kitten, I can’t tell you how many people I know say “no, I GET it, but all lives matter!”
if you’re saying that, you DON’T get it.
good for you for opening your mind to try to understand. pass your knowledge on!
Someone in my daughter’s 7th grade class did a project that partially focused on white privilege this past school year. They had a class discussion about it and then she came home and talked to us about it. It made me happy that she is aware of this at a young age. I grew up in a small town that was 99% white. The idea of white privilege never entered my mind until well into adulthood. My kids are growing up in a culturally diverse town and their eyes and minds are open to other people’s point of view.
“My kids are growing up in a culturally diverse town and their eyes and minds are open to other people’s point of view.”
and you know, YOUR influence is part of their open eyes/minds, too. you’re doing it right, Tate.
Thanks doofus. I appreciate that.
I am so glad you were willing to open your mind and research for yourself to realize there is a problem and people are simply trying to solve it. I can not believe anyone who does not truly read up and understand can fall on any side that repeats “All Lives Matter, as you said it is is either deliberate or it is a lack of truly critical thinking.
I am so similar Aussie Girl! Maybe that’s because I am also an Aussie girl 🙂
Over the last few years I have learnt so much from reading the articles / comments on this site. I’m now very outspoken on matters of race, sex, sexuality and so on.
The lack of awareness and knowledge on these matters in Australia is quite disturbing. The comments by rich white men in positions of power here are so far removed from the real world and it sickens me.
I will keep talking about it (and annoying people) as long as I can help educate just one person at a time. I’ve managed to turn my pretty macho boyfriend (from country Victoria) into a full blown feminist!
Thanks Celebitchy and followers for educating us all… Especially your vegemite consuming cousins over in Australia.
Thanks LOZFACE xo
Is it crazy to think she might be so old and sheltered that she didn’t realise that #All Lives Matter is often used as a rebuttal to #Black Lives Matter? Like she really should know better but I honestly think she might have been oblivious.
Sheltered, yes. Old, no. My 87 year old great aunt understands the difference. Beware of ageism.
I had the same thought. She may have just been trying to tie Orlando to the BLM conversation in a dumb way.
Her assistant is the one doing the tweeting, probably someone who is young and sheltered.
Yeah, the ageism is pretty ugly in that statement. I agree with Adrien–it’s likely the tweet came from an assistant, and they used that particular hashtag because they were trying to say LGTBQ lives matter.
No, she simply does NOT care. Jlo is about her money and about herself. Anything else is just noise. She and her team are lazy and selfish when it comes to important issues. She also associated with black music and black men and molded her image to profit from that audience. I love her drive, skills and ambition but she’s a terrible person nonetheless.
JLo has a million things going in, she’s a brilliant businesswoman. She is certainly keeping on top on things that make her money so she’s a very smart woman but it’s been proven she does not care about other people. Aging never stopped her drive to make money and be successful so it shouldn’t stop her from doing a basic Google search and educate herself beyond the superficiality of her career. Her team too is incredibly lazy when it comes to researching where her income will come from. They can’t even do basic research to verify whether or not she is performing for dictators and other capitalist crooks making payola on the back of innocent hardworking people. When one is accepting money from dictators, you really have to stop wondering where that person’s priorities are. Everything that comes out afterwards is just damage control. We know the real Jlo by now.
Damn. Speak it, Artemis.
“When one is accepting money from dictators, you really have to stop wondering where that person’s priorities are.”
thank you for mentioning this. I was like have people forgotten that she sang for a dictator when the price was right?! she’s kind of oblivious to some things…
Oh sh*t yeah I forgot about that…sketch as Hell.
“Aging never stopped her drive to make money and be successful so it shouldn’t stop her from doing a basic Google search and educate herself beyond the superficiality of her career.”
Thank you Artemis for finding the right words and so eloquently.
How hard would it be and how much time would it take for somebody involving themselves in such a sensitive topic to just do a tad bit of research? I do think she was trying to tie the Florida murders into the BLM stance, but she was so damn thoughtless and lazy about it. I have never been a JLo fan because I saw from the git back in the 90s that she was latching on to Puffy’s crew and riding the coattails of hip hop artists to climb the ladder. Everybody thought she was so fresh and awesome, but all I saw was how you all view Iggy in this day and age. JLo can dance, but beyond that, her true talent is hustling.
P.S. I just googled for synonyms for “thoughtless” because it didn’t seem like the appropriate word to use, but one of the top synonyms for “thoughtless” is “uncharitable”. The irony…..I guess “thoughtless” is the MOST appropriate word and she really did shoot herself in the foot b/c her attempt at being charitable ended up being uncharitable.
Never forget.
So many of them did. Mariah Carey, Beyoncé, Black Sabbath, Usher, Nicki Minaj…the list is long…
Mariah famously kept the money and Beyoncé donated to charities once the backlash began but like the damage is done whatever good or bad you do afterwards.
These stars are so meticulous when it comes to their image and their money, who are they trying to fool when word gets out where they got their supplementary income from? How greedy and selfish can you be because you know they don’t need to do that. They choose to go for the big money, I don’t believe for one second they didn’t know who they were performing for. These people check everything and not everybody has a million or 10 to waste on some singer, please. Most of Hollywood is pretend rich so if you can’t be bothered to research your subject before putting together a performance of 1+ hour, they must be dumber than we think they are. Money above everything.
@Artemis – Brilliant comment deserves all the Slow Clap gifs.
I believe they all knew full well what was up but simply did not care and hoped nobody would notice.
Lol at 17 at attempts to be black comment haha 😂
Well if the white media is to be believed, Jlo and Kim K invented the booty. Not the billions of the black and afro-latina women that came before them. Not even the mega famous ones like Janet or Beyonce or even Ashanti. What a coincidence that neither of these two butt pioneers possess the “dangerous” dark hue and are instead (patronisingly) described as “exotic”? You ever hear either of these women push back against that clear racism? No? Then why would you be surprised that she typed those words out?
Kim’s surgeon invented her booty
BAHAHA those tweets had me rolling!
On a more serious note, if you want to see something truly scary look up how the police in Baton Rouge have responded to BLM protesters. It’s very disturbing.
I saw that Marty. Those protestors are pretty damn brave.
In Massachusetts we’re currently considering a law that would make attacking a police officer a “hate crime” so basically police officers, EMT workers, and fireman would be a “protected class”.
Which…..I really don’t know what to say about that. The Massachusetts law currently applies to crimes motivated in part by bigotry based on race, religion, ethnicity, handicap, gender, gender identity or sexual orientation.
I’m not really sure that it should extend to professions, you know? Especially because anybody knows that if you harm a police officer, you’re going down–you’re royally f*cked. If the fallen officer’s friends in the force don’t shoot you first, they will absolutely level every possible charge at the highest level against you. Do we really need to consider them a “protected class” when they already have access to institutional protection that the average US citizen doesn’t? Is that really necessary?
Not to mention the potential for abuse in that. Move the wrong way, twitch the wrong way, and suddenly you’ve committed a hate crime.
It’s not necessary at all, Kitten. The fact that Americans are losing their right to protest peacefully without fear of harm, speaks to the sad state of this country.
Now I’m not saying that a *few* protesters don’t exacerbate the situation by throwing rocks and bottles but, frankly, I don’t know how I would react if I saw someone coming at me with an automatic weapon either.
Exactly, Samtha. I think it would make police even LESS accountable for their actions–this law would act as yet an extra layer of invincibility.
“I don’t know how I would react if I saw someone coming at me with an automatic weapon either.”
@Marty-I cannot imagine the sheer terror….
Wait – do you not have existing laws that make attacking a police officer (fireman, medic etc) a different/worse crime than attacking a random person? Some kind of aggravated offence specific to certain professions?
If yes, is there a specific difference (length of sentence etc) between that and making it a hate crime? Or are the results the same, and bundling it with existing hate-crimes is just a psychological tactic?
If no … I’m kind of surprised. I assumed those laws were pretty common.
(I did try to google, to answer my own question, but couldn’t find anything where the reporters bothered to go the extra step and explain what kind of change it would be. Which suggests you don’t have any existing laws covering it, but could also be lazy journalism.)
I think there’s a difference between categorising the murder of a police officer as a hate crime and making the profession of police officer an aggravating factor in a murder. We have the latter here in the UK. Aggravating factors impact on the severity of sentence but they don’t set one murder into a different category than another.
@Lucrezia-Good question.
I guess I just assumed that anyone in Mass who assaulted a police officer would face stronger punitive measures than if they attacked a “regular” civilian.
I thought that was the case in most states.
But I found this:
“Section 13D. Whoever commits an assault and battery upon any public employee when such person is engaged in the performance of his duties at the time of such assault and battery, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ninety days nor more than two and one-half years in a house of correction or by a fine of not less than five hundred nor more than five thousand dollars.
An officer authorized to make arrests may arrest any person upon probable cause and without a warrant if the person has committed an offense under this section upon a public employee when the public employee was operating a public transit vehicle and the officer may keep the person in custody during which period the officer shall seek the issuance of a complaint and request a bail determination with all reasonable promptness.
Whoever commits an offense under this section and which includes an attempt to disarm a police officer in the performance of the officer’s duties shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 10 years or by a fine of not more than $1,000 and imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than 21/2 years.”
And this is interesting:
http://www.bostoncriminaldefenselawyers.com/assault-and-battery-on-a-police-officer-or-public-employee.html
and this
http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/courts-and-judges/courts/district-court/jury-instructions-criminal/6000-9999/6210-assault-and-battery-on-police-officer-or-public-employee.pdf
Also, another thought. If murdering a police officer is regarded as an aggravating factor (if not a hate crime, and as it already is many countries), then surely if the US ever gets to the point that it’s prepared to prosecute trigger happy police officers, then surely that the perpetrator is a public servant should also be an aggravating factor?
You would think, Sixer. But apparently we only hold our citizens to high standards. Not the people hired to protect and serve us.
It takes longer to obtain a cosmetology license then to become a police officer here.
What? That’s preposterous. Hate crime is reserved for people who are targeted for something they didn’t choose to be.
I’m getting really damn tired of police officers and their #alllivesmatter supporters acting like THEY’RE the ones who need protection. Society needs protection from those who abuse their power and position.
I definitely agree with Sixer, it should be an aggravating factor both ways.
I’m still fence-sitting on the “police are victims of hate crimes” idea in general though. I don’t have the automatic “cops are NOT a protected class!” reaction you guys seem to be having, probably because the Aussie system is so different (and weird).
In my state (WA), the only thing close to a hate crime law is “racial aggravation”, which is a factor that basically upgrades the sentence. It’s fairly new, and it doesn’t get much attention in the media. (I almost said we didn’t have ANY hate crime laws, but luckily checked before posting.) It only covers race, there’s nothing for gender, religion, sexuality etc. A homophobic assault here would just be prosecuted as an assault. But we have “hate speech” laws that wouldn’t fly in the US – they’d be seen as interfering with free speech. And in NSW, the vilification (hate-speech) laws cover race, homosexuality, HIV/AIDS infection or transgender identity. Which is a weird mix. HIV status made it in there, but religion and gender didn’t?
So what I’m trying to say is that in my experience “protected groups” aren’t automatically clearly defined. Putting cops in there seems no stranger than putting in HIV status and leaving out religion.
I think it really depends on what you want from a hate crime law. Is hate/prejudice the problem? Cops do get unfairly hated, so they should be included. Is the problem hatred of people who are already disadvantaged? Cops are privileged in numerous ways, they shouldn’t be included. Is the problem hatred of someone for an unchangeable characteristic? You can change your job, so cops should be out. Just depends on how narrow a form of hate you’re trying to target.
Someone told me a aferican anerican cop shot a unarmed white man (he had his hand in a shape of a gun) and he died from it. She said we should protest #whitelivesmatter. I just walked away from her.
I don’t understand why people can’t see what it actually means and represents. They can’t see the big picture of the whole movement.
Maybe If the new hashtag says #everyonethatisntwhiteandprivilegelivesmatter they might understand. I doubt it tho.
African American
Sorry for the typo. I’m terrible at typing on the phone.
This constant push back against the BLM movement with All Lives Matter is simply baffling to me. It shouldn’t have to come with the qualifier ‘Too’, to make people understand. Black Girls Nerds are trying to give her a pass but she gets zero passes for me. Any ignorance at this point must be willful ignorance.
To all celebrities I say, think before your tweet.
Those tweets have me dying right now, LOL!
Quick correction Lin grew up in Washington Heights which is not an outer bourough, it is the northern most part of Manhattan.
Also JLo is an idiot. And sorry but the person tweeting for her can’t be that out of touch and if they are they need to be fired.
Mariah tried to warn us, we didn’t listen. I don’t know her anymore!
Lmao, you made me cackle. Thank you.
Haha. Thank you for the reminder of one of the best shades of all time.
#Alllivesmatter, is just ridiculous. Why not put #Whiteprivilege is fantastic. Jennifer Lopez, I know you mean well, but you are stepping is rough waters when you are symbol of Black cultural appropriateness. Do you remember “you my N word” in your I’m real remix by Ja Rule?
Anyways, this goes to everyone who is not white. Just stop justifying with this All Lives Matter crap and realize that you had it good for a very long time, as matter of fact centuries. You know when your Stupid European Ancestors think that it is God’s will for Black people to be slaves but really it is “Greed” they want. Or that the Jim Crow Laws is best but really they just resent that other minorities shouldn’t have the same things they have? Now I am not saying “I Hate White People”, and I am sure that they are many White people who cared about the cause that we as black people are going through but I am just sick, tired and fed up with most White people who want to set things rights by justifying the all lives matter when white police officers get away with murder.
#BLACKLIVESMATTER. And I will say it loud because I am black and proud.
Do you remember “you my N word” in your I’m real remix by Ja Rule?
Yes Ashanti and Ja Rule wrote that song for her, including that line. Also, right or wrong, every American-born minority in NYC at the time was dropping the N word because it was so ingrained in the urban vocabulary and at the time. No one really made a big deal about it to say otherwise, especially when you had other artists in Hip Hop, like Fat Joe, DJ Khaled, Fab, etc saying it, but because it’s JLo, people (mostly out of the Tri-State area made it a big deal). That was around the time that the convo started turning towards why people in Hip Hop should or shouldn’t be using the word.
I am not saying that Jennifer Lopez is not from the Hip Hop era, but she didn’t acknowledge the Hip Hop era that is predominately BLACK. This has nothing to do with the N word or who wrote it. This has everything to do with the contents of privilege. I have said this word too many times and it is getting tired some but what people failed to understand that our culture, our livelihood and our human rights as a black community is being under attack but bystanders of white bigotry.
But it’s not the same for JLo to use that word because she is not Black. Teh only anology I can come up with is if I had a bratty kid and I told someone he was acting bratty – that would be very different than if the someone told me my kid was a brat. I have unconditional love for my kid, so my saying it isn’t offensive – possibly even affectionate in the right tone. But someone else who does not have unconditional love for my child saying it would constitute a verbal beat down from me. Rights I guess – nobody else has a right to using the N word. Now if JLo is just trying to sound hip, she could have used a derogatory term for herself, like “I’m your gringo girl” but no, she was trying to talk/sing Black because she was trying to be Black. Ashanti saying it would have been a non-issue. But that’s what JLo gets for jacking a Black woman’s music.
Yes, I am a white woman and I don’t claim to understand or know what it means to be Black, but that’s just it – JLO shouldn’t be acting like she knows what it means to be Black either because she isn’t Black. IMO she’s an opportunistic chameleon.
OK. I can agree with you on that. Let us just say that JLo suck at singing. LOL.
I don’t understand why people add subtext to that hashtag. Black lives matter. It doesn’t say “black lives matter more than yours” or “black lives matter the most”. So when you say black lives matter it is not a contest to see who’s life matters most, simply a reminder that their lives matter.
Black lives do matter. So why, statistically, are most blacks killed by other blacks???
I want to see black leaders challenge the black community to step forward and stop killing their own. This has got to stop.
Statistically most Americans are killed by Americans. Does it mean it’s okay for Isis to kill Americans?
Yes black on black crime is a problem, so is white on white, etc…. That doesn’t mean the police should kill black people.
Statistically speaking, most whites are killed by whites.
…what exactly is your point?
Usually when people of the same race congregate and reside in the same areas, that will happen. It’s not specific to black people, either. Does it surprise you that in China, most Chinese people are killed by Chinese or that in Mexico, most Mexicans are killed by other Mexicans?
None of that serves to dilute the message of BLM which is that unarmed black and brown people should NOT live in fear of being taken out by trigger-happy police officers who shoot to kill or use excessive force even when there is no immediate threat to their lives.
EDIT: Sorry Taiss I typed mine before I saw yours
You clearly aren’t in the black community because black leaders are always talking about the crime we commit against each other. Yes black people are killed by mostly black people. You know what else happens as a result of that, those criminals go to prison unlike the cops who are paid to protect and serve. They are almost always not charged with a crime. Please know what you are talking about!
Whats that got to do with police brutality? Are police murdering innocent black youth because a guilty black youth somewhere killed a fellow black youth? That makes zero sense. What exactly do you mean? Feel free to illustrate your point using a chart.
And there’s the other derail, right on schedule. “Why aren’t black people angry about *this* instead of at cops?”
This always comes out when the BLM movement is in the media or when there has been a shooting.
“Why do they protest about blacks killing other blacks”
” instead of protesting get a job and a better life so the cops won’t target you”
“Dress like a thug or gang member and of course the cops will follow you”
Yep. It’s as predictable as the sunrise.
I want to see people not repeat racist talking points proudly like they just invented the wheel but we can’t all get what we want can we?
Yes. #blacklivesmatter! Stop with the #alllivesmatter nonsense.
I think she knows exactly how offensive this is,(which is why it was removed) so I’m not giving her a pass. I also think that when you’ve decided that your brand has to have a 24/7 social media/pr machine whose priority is to be seen but not really concerned about the actual message, this sh-t happens. Hopefully she’ll make the necessary adjustments to avoid looking like a complete asshat in the future.
FYI its outer *boroughs not burroughs…
It really grates my nerves when people try to say JLo was being a culture vulture back in the day. Mind you I’m not a JLo fan. But I am a Boricua from NYC who grew up around the same time as JLo. The urban culture experience of PR, Dominicans and Blacks out here was pretty much one and the same. Hip Hop has had a slew of Latinos who have contributed to the genre from Fat Joe, Big Pun, Angle Martinez, Fabolus, The Beat Nuts, etc. Jlo just happens to be the most popular and well known. Only people outside of the Tri-State area who tend to be more segregated to our unique experience, don’t seem to get this. People who think the only kind of Latino that exists in the USA is Mexican. They don’t understand how American born/raised PR, Dominicans, West Indians and AA in NYC and Tri-State are all grew up with and shared the same urban culture experience together. Did Jlo sell out and go commercial, yes.
Anyway, the Orlando massacre pretty much affected a mostly Puerto Rican, gay demographic. Maybe she didn’t think the BLM matter was appropriate to use for that? Using the ALM hashtag was idiotic. She’s become too far removed from where she came from apparently. Maybe since she is hanging out with Lin now he can bring her back down to reality.
“But I am a Boricua from NYC who grew up around the same time as JLo. The urban culture experience of PR, Dominicans and Blacks out here was pretty much one and the same.”
That’s…yeah. As a white chick I didn’t think it was really my place to comment on it, but I thought that tweet in particular was kind of unfair.
I lived in a predominantly latino area of the city during my early college years, and it seemed like there was a lot of overlapping of the experiences of blacks and latinos during that time and that extended to police brutality, sadly.
Yes Kitten. I am glad you can understand my POV, because you yourself were a witness to it. I often see myself and fellow NY’ers as being in a bubble. I grew up in a pre-gentrified, inner city Brooklyn, where Latinos tended to identify more with the AA than Whites. Leaving the Tri-State when I was younger forced me to see that other places in the country weren’t as diverse. I grew up around PRs. Dominicans Jamaicans, Trinidadians and AA. Aside from music from our parents cultures like Salsa, Merengue, Soca, Reggae, etc we were all Hip-Hop and R&B heads as well. I never saw Jlo as trying to appropriate the Black culture since many of us grew up in that culture and it’s just who we are/were. “NY Ricans” especially have been involved in Hip Hop since Day 1
This link kind of explains it a little better:
http://remezcla.com/culture/npr-recognizes-weve-been-here-since-day-1-in-a-latino-history-of-hip-hop/
i was a young child during the Civil Rights movement. i could not understand how people could be treated differently because of the colour of their skin. i don’t understand it now. i do understand that it is very wrong for a mother to have to explain to her children that they must have perfect behaviour around police so that they will not be treated aggressively or killed. it has never occurred to me to teach my white child that. why the difference?
More white people are killed every day by cops than black people. I understand that black people have a hire percentage considering population killed. I think it sucks when anyone is killed unnecessarily, but the fear the media coverage is putting into people is so over the top considering how many unjustified police shootings actually happen. The odds are like winning the lottery when you consider how many traffic stops there are everyday. The Internet is basically telling black kids that that is very likely the cops will shoot them (which is ludicrous) which will make them more afraid, more likely to resist, and cause worse outcomes in the end.
Mortality rate from police shootings, 2015 (deaths per million people)
2.92 for “white” people
7.2 for “black”
3.5 for “hispanic/latino”
1.34 for “Asian/Pacific Islander”, and 3.4 for “Native American”.
Odds of winning one of the big lotteries (Powerball or Mega Millions): 175 million to 1. Or 0.0057 wins per million tickets.
If you are black and buy one lottery ticket in a year, you are 1,263 times more likely to get killed by a cop than to win that prize.
Still, more white people are killed by cops everyday. And sorry I don’t have exact stats on the lottery. Either way, getting killed by a cop is HIGHLY unlikely.
“Still, more white people are killed by cops everyday.”
Did you even bother to read Lucrezias post? Black people are significantly more likely to be killed by cops everyday.
“Getting killed by a cop is HIGHLY unlikely.”
For you and your sons sure but not for the rest of us. Also, although the current BLM focus is on murder, lets not forget the amount of harassment, baseless arrests and physical assaults that precede the day the system finally decides to take your life. Those of us lucky enough not to be murdered by the people we pay to protect us, still have to navigate the streets in fear that they will hold us up on the way to an important interview or humiliate us in front of our children or physically harm us or force us to spend resources defending ourselves in court over an imagined infraction or even successfully convict us for that fake ass offence.
I don’t get your point Anon. Are you trying to say there is not a problem with cops killing black people? Are you trying to say we should be focusing on cops killing white people? What you don’t talk about is why cops kill black people v. white people. There are no stats to show why cops actually pull the trigger. But I’m confident more blacks are killed “unnecessarily” than white people killed by cops. White people are more audacious, ballsy, perhaps quicker to try to fight them. Black people who are being honest about concealed weapons and such are being killed. Do you really think if a white person told a cop they had a weapon that white person would be shot? I don’t think so. Cops are fearing blacks and acting on paranoia. Even with all the current sensitivity, they are STILL being careless with black lives. I don’t believe cops are being nearly as careless with white lives. How can you deny that?
The media has reported on about 10 murders or suspicious circumstances at the hands of cops this year.
Do you think only 10 black people have been killed or manhandled by the police?
Or do you think blacks in their communities have far more negative experiences with the police than the news could ever report on and the act of resisting, hating, being afraid and angry comes from that reality others have no clue about because
All their experiences with this issue simply come from the news?
Philando Castille was stopped by police 52x, the last interactions he ever had with them he died. We don’t need the news to tell us what’s already happening in our communities. We are scared because the tip of the ice burg STILL hasn’t been uncovered.
A police officer was just fired for casually threatening to kill the 5 year old daughter of a woman in Facebook because he didn’t like her profile picture. THESE are some of the people still walking the street with a badge.
I really would encourage you to do a ride along with a police officer in your area to get a better understanding of what they do before you assume to understand their line of work and tell them how to do their job.
I think you’d be surprised to find you would have a little bit more respect for law enforcement if you saw what they face, who they help, who and what they encounter on their beats.
52 times. That says a lot right there. I am a 40 year old white woman and I have been pulled over one time in my life. And in that one stop I never feared for my life when reaching for my license.
At this point if people can’t understand BLM in at least some small way than they are just choosing to ignore reality.
It’s ironic you believe I have no interaction with police that informs my opinion. You literally proved my point. YOUR interactions have been good or perhaps you’ve had no negative experiences at all and because of that you assume me volunteering to ride along with the police will result in some magical opinion changing event. That detachment from the realities of minority interaction with police is exactly why Black Lives Matter protests.
Sure, I’ll volunteer for a ride along so next time I can be IN the car with the cop when I watch him buy stolen merchandise from the perp, tell him to go to his squad car around the corner to load it in, and then walk the streets acting better than the rest of us. Deal?
Haha. I have broken the law, been caught and punished and hated the police for a period of my life. I felt wrongfully targeted. With maturity and time, I realized I had no one to blame but myself.
Then I fell in love with a really great man who happened to be a police officer. I went on a ride along and I gained an immense amount of respect for what police do. He is a really great police officer but he is not perfect. But I know countless victims he has helped and I watched with my own eyes, him be attacked and fight a man who had a knife-covered in blood from stabbing a victim. I know this police officer has a good heart and good intentions and it’s painful to see blanket hatred and disrespect for him and others in his profession because I know, on a personal level what he does for people and want he goes through on a daily basis. These guys see the horrible side of humanity on a daily basis, dead children, sexual assault victims, etc…. It has got to mess with their head on some level.
My most recent boyfriend beat my head into the ground until I went unconscious (we are latinos, my ex the police officer is white). I lied to the doctors, my family my friends. I couldn’t take the abuse anymore so was the one person I could call? Kasey, my ex the police officer. He got me in touch with a domestic violence investigator, reported the crime for me because I didn’t have the strength to do it myself and help through the most difficult time in my life. This is a real police officer not the murderous trigger happy psycho’s that never should have been given a badge.
I’m just saying, if you can see the other side through their eyes, it might humanize them a bit in your eyes. Which seems to be what you are asking of them as well.
You have to find a way to build a bridge between these two communities and hatred and violence doesn’t have to be the way.
Hillary, your message did not get through with me. Police have a credibility problem right now. Your husband is a public servant paid by our taxes. I don’t have to fear him, the way you suggest, nor do I feel the need for “bridges” between public servants and the citizen who employ them.
Then when you need help, do not ask him to risk his life to help you or your family.
The point I’m trying to make is you have nothing to fear from him, he is not a “bad” cop. Your fear of him is irrational, he is there to help you and has a proven record of helping many many people.
If you still decide to claim to be afraid of him in his uniform, that is your problem to address within yourself because he has done nothing to warrant such fear and condemnation.
When you fear something, learn more about it. It might not be so scary
That fear is hardly irrational though. In a short length of time, I saw, as you could and should have, too, cops killing a child, a teenager, planting evidence, pinning down a guy and putting six bullets in him and on, and on. My fear is not irrational. It is empirical. Of course on a personal level, I have no reasons to doubt that your spouse is a good man, etc. On aggregate though, I can’t know if that guy stopping me is a competent public servant or a psycho with a gun. You’re suggesting that what I saw with my own eyes should not make me extrapolate my fears onto all officers. But that’s impossible, since the consequences can be fatal and they continue to cause grave injustice to my countrymen.
Also, please do not frame what police do as “help”. I ask a relative or a neighbor for help. What police do is a job.
@Hilary
Nothing you’ve said has done anything to address actual police corruption and crimes. You mentioned when you committed a crime, were arrested and felt wronged but then took responsibility. I and everyone else were discussing when police commit crimes. I even gave you an example and you completely ignored it. That again gets to the heart of why Black Lives Matter protests AND why the reputation of police has become so unfavorable on a societal level. We do not deny there are good cops but we are confronted daily by the horrors inflicted by bad cops many of whom are race based, never charged, and go back into the same streets to abuse the same neighborhoods again and again. But when we try to discuss, deal with and correct these atrocities we’re told we’re blaming all cops and how much blue lives matter.
You don’t like blanket judgements of police officers because you know a good one? Well unfortunately that good man chose a career in which his individuality was stripped away in exhange for uniform and power. I don’t have the option of blowing off a bad cop because regardless of whether he’s a good one like your ex-boyfriend or a bad one like the one just sentenced for raping dozens of women they ALL WEAR THE SAME UNIFORM AND ARE GIVEN EQUAL POWER. I have no option of calling 911 and requesting a cop but begging them to make sure not to send the ones who slit dogs throat or threaten to kill 5 year olds on Facebook because in the end they are all part of an anonymous police FORCE that treats them all equally and sends them to our doorstep without us knowing beforehand how good or bad any of them are. That problem won’t be solved by ride alongs Hilary or simply respecting them more.
If you join a police force that asks you to risk your life then either do it or don’t but don’t expect others to ignore when there IS abuse, when there is VIOLENCE from these groups because if we don’t they’ll threaten to stop protecting us? In America?? The oath police officers take has something to do with respect regardless of whether they like the individual they’re protecting and fighting for Justice even if they feel unappreciated because in the end it’s about shaping and creating a better safer society. If all that goes away because of hurt feelings then they NEED to quit. Doctors don’t get a pass on the hypocritical oath because they feel unappreciated.
@Hillary you are telling other people how to feel based on your experiences. I take you at your word that your husband is a good man and a good cop. Why should you not take the word of others here that are telling of their experiences with law enforcement?
Hey Anon, kindly do us all a favour and shut up.
Thanks.
That’s super rude. I’m not being disrespectful at all and feel horrible for people who were shot without reason. I’m just saying it’s not the massive widespread issue that the media would have you believe. The odds of being killed by a cop (especially wrongly killed) are extremely low for white and black people.
So, because it’s not widespread enough to reach me and my family, it shouldn’t matter to me? One…ONE wrongly killed person is too many. It doesn’t matter how many of one race v. another race are killed. What matters is there is an obvious civil unrest we’re facing and we need to find solutions. Changing the subject or attempting to detract by pointing the finger elsewhere is not a solution. You’re either part of the solution or you’re part of the problem and you don’t see that your refusal to accept the situation at hand by default makes you part of the problem.
When is the last time you saw cell phone video coverage of a cop killing a white person for no reason? I’ve seen literally dozens of video coverage of cops abusing and killing black people in just the last year alone, and it isn’t because white don’t have cell phones. IT’S BECAUSE COPS KILLING WHITES IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!
My God! I’m a 47 yo white woman who lives in a small suburban white podunk town and even I can see what the problem is. Why do you deny it? I can only guess it’s out of fear – something you don’t want to believe because you have no control over it? But we do have control over it when we all stand together. It’s when individuals put up barriers to the truth that we can’t get anywhere in fixing the problem.
Ah yes. Tell people with an opinion that is differeny from yours to shut up. Beautiful. That’ll get your case far.
If you’re American, your odds of being killed by a police officer are higher than your odds of:
– Dying from tuberculosis. But the US government spends about $200 million dollars on tuberculosis research per year.
– Dying as result of war/combat, but those that do get a LOT of attention (and rightly so).
– Dying from a salmonella infection, or other food-bourne outbreak. The CDC maintains a database tracking any event where 2 or more people get sick (not die, just get sick) from food contamination. But there is no US database tracking police shootings. There was an attempt at one, but the reporting was voluntary and the statisticians got fed up with states not co-operating and stopped even trying to count. The stats everyone uses come from newspapers – often the Guardian, which is a British rag! It is absolutely ridiculous that there is no official government tracking of police shootings.
So the fact that it’s “only” a thousand deaths a year is not a valid reason to ignore the problem. Other things that kill less than a thousand people a year get attention and funding.
A healthy fear/respect for police is fine. You must follow their orders, there is no good reason to not follow their orders when you are engaged with a police offer.
um, no. no law abiding citizen should have a “healthy fear” of someone who is sworn to serve and protect them.
respect, yes, but not fear.
And what is the percentage of white people killed for having broken taillights?
I think I know what is being said. Washington Post keeps a tracker database of police deaths that is updated every time a death occurs. Strictly numbers wise almost twice as many whites are killed by police. BUT you can break down the data by a number of variables–age, race, weapon involved, etc. and see the individual case info. If you do that you can see that blacks are more likely to be unarmed, not fleeing, etc. It’s not surprising the total number of whites killed are larger–we’re more of the population. But once you get into the details you get a fuller picture. It also doesn’t address nonfatal shootings or general dealings with police. It’s a fascinating database to explore.
@kori–your point is spot on. I’ll have to check out that database!
I’m glad Black Twitter snatched her super quick off the Paint, Count on that audience again NEVER EVER with your thin reedy voice, Black folks have let you cook cause you stayed playing black right around the time JT was rocking Cornrows and we were letting it be unexamined LOL ZERO lies detected!
Black twitter are pathetic , they pounce on anyone, and last time I checked Jlo is a puerto rican of african descent, despite her racially ambiguous appearance
It was ignorant for her or her team to post that but it was out of good intentions for Orlando
Going by the tweet context, I bet she didn’t know it was racist. She meant to say that all lives matter whether gay or straight, I think she made an honest mistake. Also, she’s of color and it’s unfair to compare her to JT.
Well to be fair, JLo has been in this game since the early 90’s. Back to her Fly Girl/ In Living Color Days when Rosie Perez put her on. She’s been doing this waaayy before JT was even a blip on the radar.
Honest question though (and please take this sincerely without a drop of shade). Do you see other Puerto Ricans in Hip Hop like Lin Manuel Miranda or even Fat Joe, Angie Martinez, and Rosie Perez before that, etc as appropriating Black Culture (even though NY Ricans have been in Hip Hop from the beginning, though it’s largely ignored), or is this just specific to JLO because she just comes across as an opportunist?
J-Lo Specific 100% she IS Opportunist and I also dont for a second believe her playing a Cop on Tv doesn’t KNOW what she is aligning herself with
Lol Ok. Then Yes. I agree. I was never a fan of hers because I felt she was an opportunist as well. She was know to hook up with whatever connection she could use to get ahead. She started dating her dance troupe’s producer and *shocker* then coincidentally got the lead in her show. There were rumors that she messed around with Marlon Wayans (who went to my HS-that’s how I got the tea lol) to get an audition with Rosie for the Fly Girls. She hooked up with Marc Anthony the FIRST time early 90’s to get into the Latin music scene, dumped him then went after Diddy to get into the Hip hop music scene. So totally with you on that!
Most of the time, yes.
So all lives don’t matter? How about don’t put yourself in situations where you are in trouble with the law. I doubt cops are shooting random people on the street based on color. How ridiculous.
Is your screen name Love My Dumb? Cause if so that’s accurate as hell.
Eternal, I honestly don’t know how you manage not to self-combust. I take my hat off to you, I really do.
Deep breaths and time outs Sixer, that’s all I got.
I agree. It’s getting ridiculous. People and communities need to look within to see how they contribute to their own situation in life and clean up their side of the street as well. The movement needs more personal accountability
“How about don’t put yourself in situations where you are in trouble with the law.”
like Castile, who was minding his own business, had a LEGAL handgun, but was pulled over because his “nose is wide”? and was then lied to and told he was pulled over for a broken tail light? and who informed the officer, as people with legal guns are supposed to, that he had a gun AND a permit to carry? and who, while reaching for his ID that THE COP ASKED HIM FOR, was shot and killed?
I’d like to say GFY, but that’s not nice. so I’ll just say, MAN, you’re out of touch.
Yes, this incident sounds appalling and horrible. But I think the problem I have is stereotyping ALL police as this way. It’s a false narrative to say because 1 police officer did something horrible, all police officers are racist and horrible.
Just as Micah the sniper, is not representative of all black people.
no one is saying that.
but if you need it be said, here goes.
not all white people are racist.
not all black people are criminals.
not all cops are murderers who target black people.
satisfied?
Hillary – institutionally racist organisations give licence to racist individuals. It is the responsibility of the organisation, not just the racist individuals, to ensure this does not happen, and, by happening, tarnish the non-racist individuals with the racist brush of the institutionally racist organisation.
It really is that simple.
I have never met an occupation willing to cape for the screw-ups as much as Police Officers do. Are all cops horrible? Probably not, but it doesn’t make me feel any better when I see whole departments of cops hide evidence, corroborate false stories, and repeatedly fail to condemn the bad apples of their organization every single time this happens. The Police have a HUGE image problem now, because they continue to feebly say #notallcops, instead of addressing and fixing the problem their environments and bad officers create.
While we’re not stereotyping, how about we stop victim blaming? Black people had it coming because some of them did something illegal? Or because a black child had a toy gun? Last time I checked, the police weren’t judge, jury and executioner.
No one ever said that 1 bad police officer made police bad. The countless bad acts by the police made the police look bad. I firmly believe that most police officers are good and I thank them for keeping communities safe. I also believe that black lives matter (and yes, I’m black). The two are not mutually exclusive.
“Last time I checked, the police weren’t judge, jury and executioner. ”
this also needs to be pointed out over and over. even IF the black person the cops killed had an illegal handgun or did something like resisting, THAT DOES NOT WARRANT EXECUTION. Arrest them, give them due process, but don’t kill them on the spot.
ETA: Lynnie, no doubt, and that is a MAJOR part of the reason that people will lump all cops together. if the “good” cops spoke out and refused to cover up and/or defend the “bad” cops, you’d likely have a LOT more trust of the PDs going on.
@LoveMyDmb: Then you obviously are not connected to the real world. Open your flipping horizons.
Ridiculous is not seeing an obvious problem. This isn’t about staying out of trouble. The latest black life taken at issue did not put himself in trouble or what you’re basically saying – that he somehow asked for it. He was pulled over for a minor traffic infraction. He told the officer he had gun but had a concealed weapons permit to carry it. The officer told him to produce his I.D. and when the man reached for his wallet to produce his I.D., the officer shot him and then proceeded to yell “I told him not to reach for it!”
How is that putting himself in a situation? Have you never been pulled over for speeding or any other traffic violation. If you’ve ever received a ticket for any driving or non-moving traffic offense, then by your own words, you put yourself in a situation asking for trouble.
No, cops are not running around the streets shooting at random people. But they are being extremely careless with human lives even when they know the issue at hand and should be extra sensitive about pulling the trigger.
All lives matter, but all lives are not the issue we’re facing right now – black lives are. If you had a mentally disabled child and you became aware of prejudice and abuse toward disable children and you started protesting that their lives matter, how does that at all equate to no other lives matter but their’s? I think you’re purposely being obtuse.
– From a white woman proud to be white, but loving all human beings and supporting BLM because some people don’t seem to think they do.
Then they changed their story to the width of his nose, which you can see from behind, I guess. It doesn’t get flimsier than that.
It baffles me how people get so butt hurt when they see someone post #BLM. I posted on my fb several times and I had one friend post blue lives matter, another an extremely racist video, and the last an all lives matter post. And I’m just wondering when did I say only black Lives Matter or matter more.
there’s a meme going around that goes something like “If this….*black lives matter* offends you, but this… *blue lives matter* doesn’t, think about what part of that offended you.
She was singing a tribute to the victims of Orlando and some assistant tweeted the wrong hash tag…I don’t see anything other than that and I’m hardly a J Lo fan.
Look at her feed—she clearly doesn’t do her own tweeting nor has she ever used her massive twitter audience to promote any political agenda. Why in the world would she start now.
She’s worthy of shade for so so many things as pointed out above, but I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Same here although I do consider myself her fan. She’s always aligned herself as a leftist, supporting Obama and Hillary and even insulting Sarah Palin in Spanish, I hardly see her being an #alllivesmatter conservative nut.
Exactly!
I hate having to defend JLO, lol but this is how I see it.
I agree. It’s sad that the fact money was raised to help the victims is being overshadowed by that one dumb tweet (which she didn’t even tweet herself). I like J.Lo. She’s all about diversity and inclusion. I love her new show “Shades of Blue”.
In which she plays a sensitive cop? You don’t think that wreaks given the circumstances? Timing is everything.
This. She doesn’t tweet herself, that’s obvious if you glance at her account. Her assistants assistant probably tweeted this thinking All Lives Matter sounded like a message that fit this particular situation, which taken in isolation it does. Of course it also comes with some extremely negative connotations and baggage right now, and whoever tweeted this hadn’t picked up on that, just the popularity of the phrase. It’s a mistake, but it was quickly deleted and unlike all the other idiot celebrities tweeting ALM she hasn’t attempted another post defending it or explaining it.
Lopez has her issues, but she’s openly liberal and she never wades into drama like this on purpose. It was just a really unfortunate f-up.
Thanks Whawhatnot—I too think she should be let off the hook on this one.
Those pants, however, are another story.
All for love.What will Jlo not do for Ben.
JLO received a big career boost with strong support from the Black and Brown communities. She should know better. She doesn’t get a pass from me, especially when as a member of the Brown community, she should be aware that her people are not treated as they matter often enough to be very concerned.
No one used all lives matter until folks started using Black Lives matter.
Side eye to her..
I’m just here to say Ol’ QWERTY Bastard is a great screen name!
Very sad we now live in a time where saying all lives matter would be debatable or shameful in any way..if you are truly colorblind all lives DO matter…and im black!
I realize this is pointless to add to the conversation, but I’m a white woman who has lived in Europe and in the US. I’m from the US.
In Europe I feel like police are there to protect citizens and I feel safe. In the US, I have a panic attack every time i get pulled over.
Has anyone here looked at stats? Cops kill more whites than blacks per year. I do believe BLM … but i dont think a few dispicable isolated incidents by a few cops are the problem. Of they reported each black on black crime in chicago the news would be on 24-7!