At this point, I really don’t know what to even say to the Bernie-or-Bust people other than what Sarah Silverman said: you’re being ridiculous. Bernie-or-Bust delegates and agitators have been causing problems at the DNC every night, whether it was heckling and booing Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker on Day 1, or heckling Leon Panetta on Day 3. Bernie Sanders told his Bernie Bros to work to elect Hillary Clinton and they’re just not listening. Not only are they behaving in such rude and juvenile ways, they’re actually shocked when their behavior has consequences! The Democratic committee pulled a senator who was a Sanders-supporter from speaking at the convention, and now Susan Sarandon and other Bernie-or-Bust people are just so mad.
Susan Sarandon and fellow actors gathered outside the Democratic National Convention Wednesday to protest the DNC’s alleged efforts to silence Bernie Sanders supporters. Sarandon, Danny Glover, Shailene Woodley and Rosario Dawson rallied to express their frustration after former Ohio Senator Nina Turner, a strong supporter of Sanders, was denied the chance to be one of his nominators at the last minute, according to the Chicago Tribune.
Turner was reportedly dismissed from the convention during the first night after her refusal to endorse Hillary Clinton. She was scheduled to introduce the Vermont senator on Monday evening but was stopped from doing so.
“There’s been a lot of difficulty in executing the will of Bernie Sanders’ people and surrogates, and this was just a topping for the whole thing because she was ready to go. And she was very, very disappointed,” Sarandon said. “This has not gone by lightly, and … we are upset.”
Turner did make an appearance at the media tent to thank her supporters but did not take the stage.
“The will of Bernie Sanders’ people and surrogates”… not the will of Bernie Sanders, mind you. Bernie Sanders has said in no uncertain terms that he’s supporting Hillary Clinton and that he hopes all of his supporters join him in supporting Hillary. It’s the Bernie-or-Bust people who can’t wrap their heads around it. And they can’t wrap their heads around the idea that the DNC might actually change the schedule and “punish” the Bernie-or-Bust people because of their juvenile behavior.
Here’s Seth Meyers taking on the Bernie or Bust Bros.
Photos courtesy of Getty.
STFU, Susan.
Go back to your rarefied, privileged, fantasy life.
Exactly. She is being ridiculous.
call the waaaambulance. these people are absurd acting like they are the second coming of 1968.
This woman is an anus. Cry me a river, Susan Sarandon.
“This woman is an anus” I laughed so much, I’m still crying lmao 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Such hubris with these morons, aping 1968. Ironically they’re protest is whiny and self-involved while the orange one threatens to destroy the world. Entitled, ridiculous, uneducated and puerile. I didn’t realise there were fanatics. I’m still pissed that they interrupted Panetta’s exceedingly crucial speech.
Gad, I just want to smack them upside the head. I don’t understand why they are not escorted out if they can’t behave, placed in a corner and forced to wear a dunce cap.
As for Susan, she deserves no respect.
And Tom Hayden, a leader of the ’68 protests, is supporting Hillary. NPR spoke to him today. He’s smarter than Susan who needs to shut up and think about the consequences of a Trump regime.
They’ve been harassing me on FB. I had this “quote of the day” by Henry Rollins from way back in the winter that said Bernie didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected. YOu’d think I was citing of Mein Campf or something the way bernie bro ones reacted. Theyare telling me they will -write in- Bernie instead of actually voting. WTF? Who remembers the Nader/Bush debacle of 2000? Isn’t that a repeat of history? Hello?
+1000. One thing is for sure – I am never ever watching another movie of her.
And, oh, yeah… take Danny Glover, Shailene Woodley and Rosario Dawson with you!
I think it is not only about her privileged life, I think she’s just a crazy as*hole who got too much credit for being smart.
She is slowly becoming the left’s version of Sarah Palin.
PS Seth Meyer’s is ON point. “Trump will get all the gravy” Love it.
Oh, I agree with you. I never thought her to be the brightest bulb… or the sanest.
It’s frustrating as hell to see so many entitled, privledged people trying to turn Hillary’s nominating convention into BernieCon ‘16.
OMG and the arrogance and hypocrisy of chanting to drown out speakers of color and women, in particular, and then getting pissed off for being called out on it? dear lord, it must be nice to be so rich/white & privileged that you don’t have to worry about the actual ramifications of your protest vote
So interesting how there are so many brand new posters that I’ve never seen before, on these threads slamming Bernie’s supporters.
It is a matter of record that the Clinton campaign is paying online commenters to “correct the record”. Shaping the Internet dialogue.
I for one, am not a “bro”. Despise the term. It belittles the extraordinary nature of Bernie’s campaign and its people and achievements.
yes, because people who have been reading and commenting on this blog for the last 6 or 7 years must surely be part of the vast HRC conspiracy just because we are over the bern and put the cortisone cream on it.
Ok, here we go, conspiracy theories afoot. No one is belittling Bernie’s achievements or his campaign, but the latter is OVER. The most important thing now is not to let the ignorant thin-skinned human cheetoo get anywhere near White House. Bernie Sanders understands that – and it’s time the self-absorbed, spoiled “bros” do as well.
@PivotalBadgr
It is not a matter of record that the Clinton campaign is paying online commenters to “correct the record.” That is a lie.
Correct the Record, however, is an actual thing. You can go to correctrecord.org to learn more about it and it’s mission which “is a strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks.” But, yes, I’d imagine that many people who work for Correct the Record do get paid.
By the way, I guess I’m a sucker because across the internet I’ve posted many positive and often record-correcting comments about Clinton and have never received so much as a penny. Dang. Who do I talk to so I can get me some big bucks too.
PivotalBadger
I have been a member of the CB community for eight years and I have learned that there is a natural ebb and flow to how many of us comment. Sometimes we are super active, and other times, while we are still here daily, we comment very little (personally, I’ve been much less active commenting over the past few months).
Some extremely active commenters seem to stop all together and come in on rare occasions to say something. Some seem like they don’t come back to the comments at all 🙁
And then there is the exciting growth for this community which does in fact bring in new commenters, which I love because the more the merrier, and it means greater success for CB, Kaiser, etc. 🙂
And while I observe the organic nature of how people comment, I would never think I have a right to police it. Point is, your “new commenter” conspiracy accusation really bothers me because if there is one place on the web that I feel is minimally affected by this kind of thing it is Celebitchy.
Funny thing is I can go back to archived stories that I actually posted on and see there are many commenters I did not remember and so if they commented today, I might think they were new to CB. In fact, I don’t immediately recognize you as an active commenter, but that has no bearing either way on if you are or aren’t. You may not recognize my name either, maybe we don’t actively post on the same topics – I have no idea. Maybe a super active commenter from the early days comes in to say something and they seem new to you, but to others it’s an old friend who is expressing their opinion.
I get that you are passionate about Bernie Sanders and I feel for the process of disappointment you are going through now. But please don’t throw out accusations in this community so lightly.
1) LOTS of celebrity PR teams/companies/political entitites pay people to post positive things. If you’ve ever seen a ‘review’ section of a product, you’ve seen people paid to comment a certain way. This doesn’t mean that people who post things you don’t like are hired.
2) I’ve been kicking around here for about 5 years I think? Honestly – I can’t recall ever seeing your username. That doesn’t mean your account is brand new – it just means that I don’t specifically recall any of your posts.
3) People aren’t crapping on Bernie supporters. People are crapping on the “Bernie Bros”. These are the people who, typically are males, go out and make ridiculous attacks against HRC. These are the people who are making crude comments and sexist remarks. They are the people who refuse to think that anyone other than Bernie could ever be worthy of running the country. They treat him like a saint.
They’re not the people making rational criticism against other candidates.
@mia girl – beautifully said. I have been on this site since it started, but didn’t post until around three years later. Sometimes I’m home on my computer working which equals WAY more posts than normal, or perhaps more than other commentors. Sometimes I’m working 90 hours a week and can’t even find time to read the comments. In the past week that I’ve been taking a course online and writing papers for a work certification, so I’m on a lot more as a balance to the tedious work.
I’ve seen a lot of this policing going on, (speciically aimed at me and others, in regards to my posts, the number of posts I make on one thread etc etc.) Some of the comments were down right nasty, one commentor asking me if I did anything else besides post on this blog. I have to admit it almost made me not want to post anymore. It made me really sad because one the reasons I LOVE Celebitchy is because of the commentors being open, and willing to share thoughts and opinions freely. I love the clever writers, I love hearing different opinions, and most of all I love the support and respect mostly everyone seems to give everyone else, respectfully disagreeing or not. I feel at home here with my little pop culture interest.
This new type of policing seems aggressive and mean spirited. I could not imagine going online and saying mean things to a stranger on the internet, or question them, or call them names or be anything other than polite and respectful, whether I agree with their opinion or not, whether they post 40 comments stating the same thing, or just one comment with bad grammar.
@pivotalbadger I simply think some topics are WAY more hot topic than others, and that brings out new and old posters, different types of passion etc. We are all here for the same reason, we like celebrity pop culture and we want to share our thoughts and feelings. I feel like I see the same amount of comments on ALL of the political threads, all completely 100% emphatic in their own way depending on where their loyalties are.
Little Darling don’t you dare go anywhere, your comments are awesome and we need you to be a Team Common Sense rep!
Agree 100% with @Eternal Side-Eye –
@LittleDarling don’t you dare go anywhere!
I have found that the small group of commenters who like to engage in demeaning comments or aggressive confrontation don’t tend to stay around that long because that is just not the type of discourse that generally goes on here. The tenor balances out naturally and either a commenter becomes less confrontational and more conversational or the commenter leaves.
I love that by in large even when we disagree, most of us try to state our opinion passionately but respectfully (that said, sometimes passions flare up even in the best of families). However, it does make me sad when I realize that long time commenters like you who I really value feel a need to stop because a few folks are just downright rude.
But don’t give up.
Love Trumps Hate, even here on CB
Yeah, because you’re not a first time commenter *rolls eyes*.
@PivotalBadger I really like the last paragraph in your comment. Unfortunately I feel Sarandon & Glovers current actions come across as petulant, belittles & overlooks what HAS been achieved. They seem focused on what hasn’t been achieved rather than on what HAS. You have expressed your displeasure. A more useful way of using your platform might be a recognition of how much further work needs to and can be done. Your aims were never going to be easy to achieve even Bernie won the presidency. Movements are not well oiled machines. Obviously each person will vote their own belief. If you prefer to vote your ideology recognize that voting against HRC is a vote FOR Trump. If you are upset because you don’t get exactly what you want with HRC think about what you will get with a Trump presidency.
As a Bernie supporter I feel the need to say this… I’m so disgusted by these people it’s difficult to stop myself from denouncing them and their fanaticism now. We did our best, I think we actually accomplished so much more than anyone thought possible at the beginning. But now we face a real threat and it is time to get past identity politics and do what is truly right for our country. They’ve become a farce. We’ve got official delegates quoting religious fanatics from Game of Thrones “Shame.shame.Shame”. The convention itself being protested by our own members! I get the anger, honestly I do, but they are making a mockery of this convention. I feel the need to say so because I refuse to be made a fool of by these people who’ve completely lost the plot. Going so far as to boo Sanders himself, the man most of them view as a freaking prophet, because his well reasoned advise doesn’t jive with the Glorious Revolution they all think they’re ushering in. They don’t care about the consequences of a Trump/Pence presidency. Personally I think it’s because the majority of them won’t be affected by the fallout… at least in the beginning. So yes, more and more people are becoming increasingly vocal in their criticism of the Berni or Bust brigade. But what do you expect when with each passing day we are faced with a new Trump horror and they can only whine and make dramatic yet meaningless protests?
Politico has an excellent article on Hillary Clinton’s achievements. Here are some:
By Bill Burton
1. Her China speech on women.
2. Her role in killing Osama bin Laden.
3. Management of the State Department during which time we saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate (particularly at Copenhagen), and the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—helping to lead us to the agreement currently on the table.
By Anita Dunn
The SCHIP program … which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income children.
And there are many more if you choose to read the article.
Heckling and shaming those who do not choose Hillary falls along line with “absurd” and “ridiculous” thinking. It is not the way to embrace Bernie supporters in to the Democratic fold. The animosity pushes needed voters towards “Advantage Orange One”.
This election has a more divisive feeling than Obama’s first election — the World changer. Acknowledge there are those we disagree with for not voting for HRC, or Trump, if you will. No need to be hateful.
@Elyna,
While we’re at it some folks (bros?) need to “acknowledge [that] there are those [they] disagree with for not voting for . . . uh, Bernie, if you will. No need to be hateful.”
Works both ways.
p.s. I’m a longtime lurker, very rare poster. Not a paid “operative”. . . .
The Bernie fanatics act like victims. Probably there’s a lot of idealism but not a lot of maturity, knowledge of history, sense of place or political savviness, just churlish entitlement. They’re agitating is getting on my last nerve. They need to join the smug despoilers on the Trump side.
As a paid Hillary Clinton Celebitchy operative, I’m really annoyed that my cover has been blown. I’ve been here for years just biding my time and now these Bernie or bust detectives figured out the whole game.
Damn.
I mean I get it, they’re frustrated. It was glorious and he would’ve made a great leader. In Europe. But it’s over, can we behave like adults now? There are things at stake here although I guess less so for wealthy celebrities.
The size of the bust they are choosing is really impressive.
The bust they are choosing is the Apocalypse.
Sorry I don’t get it all – it is a mass temper tantrum and these people really belong with Trump based on their behavior. Too bad Trump would throw them in jail or worse.
So would they be happier if Orangino won? Doesn’t anyone remember chad gate and how the green party split the race so we ended up with Bush Jr? This is what happens when schools decides to gloss over history.
It seems as if they would prefer Trump. That’s what their behavior indicates.
Totally, Vava. They’d rather watch America world burn alongside Trump than do the right thing for the country. I see no difference between them and all those Trump fanatics.
actually, to many of them (and Sarandon alluded to them in an interview earlier this year), yes – they would prefer Trump to be elected so things get so bad that they can have an even bigger revolution to save us. Apparently, they think they’ll be starring in a nice, romantic Daniel Day Lewis movie about how triumphed over evil at the end of a revolution and have no idea of how horrid things with be for [other] people, how rough and dangerous revolution actually is and what a long & difficult road it is to rebuild after the revolution burns everything to the ground.
I’m not so happy about the prospect of being collateral damage in some poorly written novel about a dystopian society
So depressing that a woman who had the ovarian fortitude to bluntly state the problem with Woody Allen lacks the common sense to recognise the problem with Donald Trump: namely, this Hunger-Games-character-made-flesh may actually wind up as POTUS in less than 4 months.
I’m speaking from a post-Brexit UK here, so yes, the unthinkable can happen. If you genuinely think Clinton in the White House is the worst that can happen to Sanders supporters, then you need to surrender the crack pipe.
+1
K2: “Ovarian Fortitude!” New words to live by! Your comment was perfect, spot on. No malarkey!!!
This is so true. The Brexit result was born out of arrogance and complacency and a failure to recognize that the usually ignored (when not being ridiculed) working men and women had just had enough. Watch out America, it can happen there too.
I think Bernie has handled himself with a lot of class! Susan you should follow suit.
I fully disagree with that unfortunately. he’s been slow and begrudging and withheld his support for as long as he possibly could and squandered his influence by being a sore loser, and now his supporters are being bratty babies and he can’t get them to act like adults because they are too busy booing and pouting and marching around in their pampers.
The thing is Bernie was fighting FOR them. He held out to help make the democratic platform the most progressive platform in history. The Bernie-or-Bust crowd is taking away his influence, if he can’t control his followers why does HRC need him?
I agree, Bernie built this. I blame him. His behavior has actually been disgraceful, privileged, and very very male. He should have conceded long ago. Here is the thing: IF he had been running against Joe Biden he WOULD have conceded long ago.
I agree that Bernie comes across as a sore loser and a grudging supporter. It’s there on his face.
I have to agree with Bros, I was actually concerned he was going to behave like the bernie or bust people during the convention and pleasantly surprised he didn’t. My guess is that he realizes that he will loose every bit of political capital that he gained if Trump wins (and most liberals who are not bernie or bust or Jill Stein devotees will blame them for what we get from Trump).
How the f*ck can you be Bernie or Bust???? The other option is DONALD F*CKING TRUMP!!! Like??????…….
People don’t really understand the Bernie or Bust crowd. These are people who wouldn’t vote normally or much older Dems. Some have a long term goal of complete government reform. Some don’t and don’t care, but they are in the minority while being the loudest. They feel like voting for Hillary (who let’s be honest is essentially a moderate Republican-no shame!) Is rewarding the party for slowly moving towards the right when they really want a very left spectrum candidate. If you hold a conversation with them and really get to the root of the issue, that’s what it is. They just find it difficult to articulate.
So it’s not an infantile response like so many people claim. Most of them are genuinely concerned with the future of the Democratic Party and why would they want to encourage it moving towards the right?
Additionally, calling them infantile or ridiculous as is popular right now isn’t going to sway them. It’s just going to cause them to vote for Trump.
I keep hearing this ‘Hillary is really a Republican’ viewpoint, but is she really? Her and Sanders really agree on quite a lot.
Bex, she’s a bit of a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. I have no problem with it. That’s the sort of candidate I’d like to vote for every year. And you’re correct, Bernie and her do agree on most things. But what they don’t agree on is what pushes her further right, and him further left. That’s where the difference lies.
I’m not sure how else to label “I wanted Bernie but he lost so I’m not voting for Hilary even though the other option is Trump” other than infantile. Adults don’t see the world in black and white. Sometimes you don’t get what you want and have to deal with it.
@Chaucer
Thank you for your comment. I hear what you’re saying and I personally would prefer Bernie over Hillary myself, but electing Donald Trump is simply not OK to me. I feel like allowing someone truly heinous to be elected as a way of punishing a political party is not the way to go and personally seems like a childish and entitled response to me.
Respectfully, I have to disagree.
The continued reaction-refusing to accept their own candidates wishes, booing people wholly unconnected to the whole drama other than that they happen to be Democrat and at the DNC, staging walkouts etc is the very definition of an infantile response. I didn’t get my way so I’m taking my toys and going home, but not before I ruin it as much as I can for everyone else. This is the phrase “Cutting off your nose to spite your face” personified. Unfortunately the country is at stake.
When someone acts childish and is treated like a child and name called, I don’t know what else we can expect. “When they go low, we go high” has been the sort of theme of the DNC but I don’t really see that among their voters on this issue. It’s a trying time for everyone and we all need a bit of pull and compassion. You get more flies with honey than vinegar and all that.
ETA: if we can’t pull them back into our party, we lose the election. And that’s on us. That’s not something we can blame on Trump or the GOP. That’s us name calling and belittling members of our own party and no one can try to shove the responsibility on someone else.
Can I just say the booing and rancor on all sides has gotten out of hand. This only emboldens some to feel free for the truly angry nasty remarks. I think they all should follow President Obama’s advice and don’t boo VOTE. Hopefully intelligently looking at the options available to you. I just hope President Obama is right and some are underestimating Americans based on some poll numbers.
“Additionally, calling them infantile or ridiculous as is popular right now isn’t going to sway them. It’s just going to cause them to vote for Trump.”
If that’s the case then it will prove, in fact, that they ARE infantile and ridiculous. I get where they are coming from but how can voting for Trump effect the government reform you/they claim to be advocating for?
Another one of my favorite tweets from this election cycle: “Voting for Trump because Bernie isn’t the nominee is like hearing they’re out of your favorite menu item and eating glass shards instead” …@OhNoSheTwitnt
@Chaucer – good comments, I am a proud fiscal conservative and social liberal – have been all my adult life. It takes a certain amount of dexterity to maneuver the political landscape but I do it by reading everything available and if it matches up with a certain amount of my beliefs and wants, then I’m good.
I do lay the blame for Bernie supporters squarely on Bernie Sanders. He’s known for a long while that he didn’t have a chance to win and I might add without voter fraud as once was their war cry. Now it’s you’re not giving us a chance to voice our platform. Do they think had Bernie won that he would have allowed Hillary supporters to voice their beliefs? I just don’t understand how they cannot get their mind around the fact they could have DJT as their president if Hillary loses. How will their agenda then be accepted? I’m stunned that anyone with a sane mind especially with children and grandchildren could allow DJT to be elected when they had the opportunity to make him go away. This man cannot be allowed to win by people who have a choice.
Bex, she would have been considered a “Rockefeller Republican” in maybe the late 60s or early 70s but both parties have shifted to the right, making modern mainstream Democrats look like old-guard Republicans and modern mainstream Republicans look like white Supremacists.
This is not a chicken and egg thing. The Bernie fanatics have been disruptive , rude, hostile and juvenile. They’re being called out on their behaviour. No one is trashing the regular Bernie supporters. It’s this small, fanatical but LOUD group that are being criticised.
They heckled ELIZABETH WARREN. They should be ashamed of themselves.
that’s because the bernie bros are essentially entitled millenials who can’t understand why they aren’t getting their way when they wanted something really really badly and why isnt it going their wayyyyy!
No, it’s because she sold out. All her work to regulate the banks and she backs Clinton. Like most politicians, she’s done what’s best for HER and her career.
Or you know, she could just feel strongly that Hillary would do a better job as president.
I said this below, but what I’m really struggling with here is the utter lack of culpability with the BoB crowd. “We want change now!” Well sure, but what are you going to do aside from backing a presidential candidate who lost in the primary? Yes, it sucks when your candidate loses, but that’s part of how this works. Just ask McCain supporters in 2000, Dean supporters in 2004, and so on. We the American people share responsibility for this debacle of a presidential election because we have en mass refused to get out and vote in non-presidential years. We ALL need to do better, and I’d like to hear a lot more from the BoB crowd than a bunch of boos.
@Kimble, her whole career has been about being a pragmatist. you can’t do what she’s been doing without being a pragmatist. she’s never been an ideologue or an activist, but a plodding, sensible pragmatist. saying she’s a sell out is just silly.
Kimble – if we want to talk about politicians who do just what’s best for them, why don’t you talk about how Bernie declined to endorse almost every downballot candidate who requested it? Why not bring up people like John Fetterman, who ran for Senate in PA and was one of the first politicians to endorse Sanders and promote him and admitted to basically begging for an endorsement and not getting one? Hillary has raised millions of dollars for congressional races because she gets that if she’s President, she’s going to need an amenable Congress to get stuff done. But you conveniently forget that part, because it doesn’t suit your spiel.
@Kimble
No Warren is an adult. She knows that Hillary is going to do a better job than Trump. Warren also knows that Hillary has done a lot of work to help elect more democrats to the House and Senate. Without support in the House and Senate, you get the same gridlock we have right now. Bernie did barely any fundraising for down ticket races. Even if he had won the nomination, he never would have been able to get the thing he talked about done, because he didn’t have the best working relationships with people in congress to begin with, then he continued to not work to develop those relationships during the primary race.
@Kimble you do realize that if we all don’t help – Trump could be President, and people with public persona’s like Sen. Warren, where a good portion of Americans would listen to her, have an even larger moral obligation to make sure a person with virtually no qualifications to be President and ,based purely on his celebrity image, he seems to be bordering on having psychological disorders will be the next President. Even if these people believe in Bernie and his ideas, sometimes the lesser of two evils is reality. Bernie also changed the political landscape. It is possible to that an independent candidate could crack the two party system next time. Also, President Obama was right about another thing, vote and campaign for people down the ticket line that believe in Sanders philosophy. A President who matches your ideals is great, but they are limited by Mayors, Governors, Senators, Representative and others that stagnate in positions forever and never change anything.
Last time I checked Susan surrandon and Danny glover weren’t milianials.
What was Warren going to do, leave the stage? She still has a platform, she still works to prevent DT from seizing power, she still has the possibility of working well in the Senate with President Clinton. She made the right and obvious choice. Shame on anyone who heckled her. This is politics, not Candyland.
They heckled John Lewis. A man who is basically a legend within civil rights circles for devoting basically his entire life, since youth, to civil rights and reforming the system. They were mad at him because he endorsed Hillary over Bernie. Because, well, “Bernie marched with MLK!!!!” That’s what they kept yelling. Despite the fact that Lewis has pointed out repeatedly that the Clintons have decades of working with the AA community, especially in the South, and that’s valuable too. But no. Seeing a man who is basically a living testament to the Civil Rights era speak and a bunch of white people heckle him is disgraceful and it just cemented my view that they aren’t worth engaging with.
I am not going to mince words, dollars to donuts they have no clue who John Davis is.
They heckled Leon Panetta too. He was talking about protecting America but they weren’t listening. They’re embarrassing themselves but they don’t know it.
Lewis, damn spellchecker using my last words.
They also heckled Elijah Cummings while he was trying to talk about his dead father. It was cfuking gross.
Well, I’m mixed on Panetta. I might have quietly tut-tutted him from the anonymity of my computer room.
The level of entitlement that Sarandon and other Bernie or Bust people have is astounding.
I say let them leave. No on e is holding a club to their heads to stay. At this point, it’s really “with us or against us” regarding Trump, and once these guys are isolated to their own devices without the powerful vehicle of the democratic party (which represents millions of OTHER voices too) to transport their warped evolution of the “revolution”, they’ll realize how isolated they are. The saner Bernie supporters have gotten off the train, see the reality of the situation, realize there is no perfect candidate and are gearing up for the fight against Trump. The ones still on the train are hopeless and take umbrage/need attention/get mad at anything. There’s nothing at this stage of the game that you can do with people like this.
GOOD RIDDANCE! GO! DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT!
Quite honestly, they disgust me. 90% of them are white, under thirty, over-privileged, spoiled entitled brats. And their concern for liberal values is a total sham. They would be knocking on doors for Trump in a New York minute, registering Muslims and Latinos for deportation, if Trump promised to shave a few points off their student loans.
What needs to happen to make the BoB’s happy?
What do they want?
The protester in the Seth Meyers video said there was nothing Hillary could do to get her vote so…. why is she there?
And how much do you want to bet that not a single person there know the names of the members of their Board of Education or aldermen or maybe even mayor or state representatives etc.
That’s what’s killing me here. We the American people are culpable for this mess we’re in (on both sides, mind you) because we’ve steadfastly refused to show up when it’s not a Presidential election. The current Republican and Democratic candidates reflect the people that have been voting and being vocal beyond every four years. You want change? Awesome. Then stick around, and actually get involved at a local, state, and national level.
@Bridget, THIS! In the End, the POTUS is a figure-head (hopefully not an ORANGE one) while the busy bees are our Congress. Where do our Congress candidates come from?…the ladders founded in our local communities. And we must do better as guides for our representatives. I was lucky enough to catch a phone-in Townhall meeting, where two callers stated they did not think the Congressman represented well. Wonderful to hear, especially since his ‘good ol’ boys’ called in to pat him on the back. We have to keep ourselves informed and involved on all the levels you mentioned. You stated wisely that we, the American People, created this electoral mess. Well posted!
I could name our mayor and all 7 members of our BoE – I have campaigned for or against them all. You paint with too broad a brush.
Mayor Paul Donahue (just survived a recall, leaves in 4 months and has ruined our town)
Silverthorne
Benevento
Reynolds
Geddes
Lemieux
Ray
Vogel
I campaigned for the last 3 and will actively fight for a replacement four (two are term limited) November 2017.
I totally respect you for that, but I think you are a rarity in this respect. But please continue to be an active voice at this level-that is where true change starts to sprout from and I wish more of us (ALL OF US) were committed to it.
I agree with grabbyhands that your involvement at the local level is needed and commendable.
But are you a BoBer or just a Bernie supporter?
Do you support the heckling happening during speeches by Elijah Cummings, Elizabeth Warren etc.? And if you’re not voting for Hillary, is there anything that could persuade you to vote for her?
I am glad at least some realize the importance of the rest of the elections, but sorry to say I think you are a minority. The turn out in off Presidential year elections is just small. Plus, I do think a lot Bernie supporters are new to the process, and I want them to realize that there are other avenues to pursue their zeal where their efforts may make a difference right now.
My only request for all Bernie Supporters is in the next few months they think long and hard about what not voting for Hillary Clinton may mean. Remember in 2000 a small portion of people voted for Ralph Nader and that and a friendly Fla. Gov may have swayed the election just enough to have George W. Bush win the electoral college. I remember George W. Bush scared me back then, but nothing to the extent of Trump. If you think a protest vote will teach the party a lesson, just look at what the Republican’s learned we now have their candidate Donald Trump. Still everyone must vote for who they feel is the best candidate, but I hope they think long and hard about their decision.
Take a long, hard look at Pence too, and think “is this really the guy that should be able to help name a Supreme Court Justice?”
They want Sanders in the White House and Hillary in prison, and they will scream and cry and stamp their feet like the spoiled entitled brats they are if they get anything less.
I’m starting to really not like her!!!
She’s really really annoyed me with all this. She’s hardly unintelligent, so she knows that not uniting at this point means a potential Trump presidency, yet she continues. She’s privileged enough that it might not matter to her so much, but it will to countless others. I respect sticking to one’s ideals but not when faced with a megalomaniac in the Oval Office (also from post-Brexit UK here, so it really can happen)
Being privileged will not help her when the world is nuked to the ground. For those who listened to the speeches of Pres Obama, BIden, Panetta, Rear Adm Johnson, Bloomberg, they all stressed the possibility of global issues and safety more than anything else. Those are the things I worry about. Susan S. and her children will die the same as the rest of us.
At this point all I hear when she or any of the other Bernie or Bust contingent open their mouths is “WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH”.
Stop with the temper tantrums already. YOUR OWN candidate is telling you to stop and think and you STILL won’t do it.
Here In Washington State we are posting primary ballots-races for many local slots including governor. The ballots are due Tuesday and only TEN PERCENT of the ballots have been returned. I wonder what the stats are like in other states? Want to know why there won’t be a third part president any time soon? THAT’S WHY.
But hey, as long as like, you vote with your conscience and stuff, it’s totally okay to ignore local elections.
EXACTLY. Talk of third party candidates only comes out when people who are unhappy with the two choices for President wants to complain, but on a local grassroots level there’s hardly any initiative.
HOLY CRAP am I glad I your comment. I’m a Washingtonian and I got my dates flipped around. I thought they were due August 20, not August 02. I’ve been working on researching the candidates and issues, hence why i haven’t turned it in yet. I know what I’m doing with my Thursday evening!
I’m not a Hilary fan (better her than Trump of course) and I’m liberal but not a Democrat (because I refuse to join a party) but Susan is acting so juvenile to me. I mean she is around my mother’s age and is acting like a 14 year old who didn’t get her way.
I actually don’t have an issue against people who just won’t vote at all but stop whining about the whole thing already. Yes some people in the DNC did shady things and that sucks but I don’t believe Bernie lost because of it. He lost because he wasn’t as organized and waited too late to try to appeal to older black people.
Anyway I am so uncomfortable with this idea of Bernie as this great savior. Some hardcore Bernie fans act like they are in a cult. Even if he won the presidency he would have disappointed them because no way would he have been able to fulfill his over the top promises. They should be happy that they can keep him a legend in their own minds and not deal with the crushing reality of what his presidency would actually be.
NO ONE would be able to live up to the expectations Sanders’ supporters have. We all have ideals, but the reality of politics is very, very different – there’s a lot of compromise. It’s the same thing that happened with Barak Obama; people went in with sky high expectations, but because he couldn’t deliver the moon (in a crazy, hostile, obstructionist House that we the people helped deliver by not turning out for midterm elections) there’s been a lot of talk of disappointment and disillusionment.
*eye roll*
While I’m grateful there were no punches being thrown in the midst of the protesting it wasn’t the time for it and manner in which they were trying to protest (right down to booing Bernie himself) shoots their credibility in the foot.
It was about Bernie being great and him having the right vision for the country. Then they booed him and called him a traitor. It was about Elizabeth Warren being a better female politician to Hilary in every way. Then they booed her so loudly you could Bart hear her speak. They booed young passionate Democratic politicians and old respected Civil Right’s leaders. It was like a colicky baby in the form of several hundred supporters.
Based on everything I’ve seen and heard from Susan her vision of a well balanced political space is one where HER voice and ideals are given center stage and prime time. She came to hate Hilary when she said she refused to listen to her advice and suggestions and now she is unhappy that the fraction of the Bernie supporters who have been disruptive were not given more opportunity to do so.
On some level I wonder if these are sobering moments for Bernie, seeing what some of his supporters are doing. I know he played his hand and skimmed on a few Republican talking points too, but this has to give him pause.
I feel bad for Sen. Sanders, I must say. This is not his fault at all. And I’m really disappointed in Susan.
It’s his fault. He helped to create this climate by not endorsing Clinton sooner.
+1
Had he conceded and endorsed back in early June when he lost, there would have been a chance to let hurt feelings mellow. In 2008 we had almost all June and most of July to chill about it, and after she conceded Hillary was brooking no nonsense about contesting the convention (that I remember – someone with more desire could go back and check it out).
Exactly. But this was about HIS ego and HIS moment. He should have found a way to gradually bring people around to the nominee instead of letting them believe that there was going to be a contested convention. BernieorBust people were going in there thinking they were going to steal the convention. Actually I can’t figure out what they were thinking. If they shouted and yelled enough that Hillary would say, “You know what? You obviously want Bernie. I quit. Bernie, you be the nominee.”
It makes sense that the Republicans wanted Bernie over Hillary. That’s why they didn’t go after him AT ALL. They made it seem like Bernie would have an easy win over Trump. The Republicans spent every resource attacking Hillary. There was no need to spend time and money tearing Sanders down, because he was never a threat to them. Hillary is a threat to them. Why put so much time, money, energy into trashing her if she’s not?
Finally, what makes me crazy about the BernieorBust people is that they claim that they hate the “binary” system where they only have 2 choices. Oh? You mean like “Bernie or bust”? Isn’t that 2 choices? And if you ask them if they will vote for Hillary over Trump, they tell you “You don’t get it! We’re not going to vote for the lesser of two evils!” And so you ask them, “Are you not going to vote?” They say, “You don’t understand! There are other options! There is Jill Stein! There is [guy whose name I can’t remember]!” Oh! So you’re going to waste your vote. “Voting my conscience is NOT wasting my vote!” Yeah. It actually is. Because the actual election is between Clinton and Trump. So if you’re going to vote for neither, just write in “Pee-Wee Herman” and call it a day.
I agree, the writing was on the wall and he needed to let go. Maybe he wanted to stay in to shape the platform more. None of the choices are easy this year.
Beautiful, Mrs Odie.
Her, Shaine Woodley, Glover and Dawson are spoiled brats. They are Trump supporters.
Get on board, aholes. Seriously. I really applaud the grass roots effort. But all of who are HRC supporters (I’m one of those weirdos who voted for her in the 2008 primary over Obama) would surely have voted for Bernie over Trump. The options now are HRC or Trump. Write in Bernie’s name, you still won’t get Bernie.
I’m glad they’re there and they exist. As someone said somewhere yesterday (maybe Cory Booker), they might be booing, but they’re passionate and they’re all still under the same tent and that’s what matters.
Most Bernie supporters are moving over to Hillary and I don’t think Sarandon will make a difference so I wish the Hillary supporters would stop demonizing everyone who did support Bernie and calling them names because that doesn’t help.
And I think the most Bernie supporters who have already moved to Hillary’s side are appalled by this behavior, too. It’s not name-calling to point out that that this kind of booing of the speakers – Elizabeth Warren! Bernie himself! John Lewis – the man had his skull cracked for Civil Rights! – is juvenile and counter-productive.
Well I for one don’t appreciate being referred to as a ‘white entitled millennial’ because I’m none of those things. And that trope started long before the convention.
I haven’t called you any of those things.
Heck, I *am* those things (well, who wants to think of themselves as “entitled”, but probably).
@Betsy. I didn’t mean to imply you did, sorry if it sounded that way. I meant generally speaking.
Passion without reason is merely rage.
So many thoughts on this…1) Bernie should have reigned in these petulant brats before the convention. 2) The behavior of these delegates was disgraceful. Any gains they made are gone; no one is going to take them seriously again. 3) The DNC owes Nina Turner nothing; why should she be on national TV & have a Cruz moment. Lost total respect for her. 4) The DNC & Hilary campaign went out of their way to accommodate Bernie & his supporters. The roll call, which Hilary won BTW, was more about Bernie than her. 5) I was a Bernie supported but I am done with his supporters. Susan Sarandon & other celebrities can afford to be on their high horse; they’ll be fine with a lunatic Pres Trump. Millennials, who are just starting their adult lives, will not. Hope they can live off their indignation. Phew, I feel better getting that off my chest!
I am very familiar with Bernie because I used to live in upstate NY and I had heard him speak many times. Although I was always behind Hillary I had a lot of respect for Bernie and was rooting for him until the nature of his campaign became apparent to me. Bill and Hillary weren’t good actors in 2008 but when it became clear they had lost Hillary showed class and character in her support for Obama. Bernie held on for way too long and encouraged the worst elements in his campaign until it was too late to reign them in.
“Bernie held on for way too long and encouraged the worst elements in his campaign until it was too late to reign them in. ” sad but true. I will never understand people who continue to fight for principles when the case is a) already lost and b) much much bigger is at stake!
I agree. First get into power, then exercise those principles.
Truth! Let us never forget that Bernie challenged ONLY Trump to a Debate in California even though Hillary had millions more votes then either of them.
He created this and now he can’t walk it back. And seriously yeah done with this, this isn’t like the Bush family, Ted Cruz or Mitt Romney that are standing on actual principles here against Trump these are people who just didn’t get their way.
And I want to make it know how dirty defending those listed Republicans.
I have a client who is a Bernie delegate at the convention and I have to call bullshit on so many of these reports (not all obviously) . But she has been live streaming evens from the inside that completely contradict reports by mainstream media. While msnbc was reporting chaos inside in reality all the delegates were singing “bridge over troubled water” and swaying back and forth together as a show of unity within the party. She actually has a meeting later today with Susan Sarandon so I will be curious to hear directly from her rather than the media.
The booing is one issue. But aside from that, word is that other than a small group of pro-Sanders protesters, it’s not nearly the contentious scenario that the news is portraying it, that what we’re seeing is news outlets actively trying to make a story happen.
Speaking as a non-American, she is really not helping anyone at this point!
As a Canadian looking down on your system, I have to say the American way is entirely confusing. Why do you drag out the primaries for SO LONG. Of course people are going to resent it when they lose. They’ve had more than a year to get invested in Bernie – who really should have gracefully bowed out much earlier.
So now your candidate didn’t win. But why on earth would you say him or not your party at all? It doesn’t seem that Americans really have a shot of electing a third party. So do you really want the Republicans to win? Surely a fellow liberal would be more appealing to you than having a conservative in power. Allowing a conservative to win would have a devastating and lasting effect on your congress, senate, justice system. No?
If the Bernie or Bust people are not true democrats and don’t want to do what’s best for their party, then why should Clinton give two figs about them??? Write them off and just focus on courting some independents who are more rational.
Clinton is courting those independents, which is why independent Michael Bloomberg made such a strong, direct pitch to them last night.
I agree with Seth — we don’t have time for this. I understand that Bernie and Hillary are two very different candidates. I understand that Hillary isn’t the most trustworthy (although what politician is?) and that she comes off as very fake and condescending. I get it. I don’t like her. A ton of corruption surrounds her. I would’ve loved to see Bernie get the nomination, because I think he represents true progressivism.
But let’s be real here: It’s Trump or Hillary. There’s no way around it. Voting for a third party does nothing. If in a group of 10 people three vote for Hillary, five vote for Trump, and two vote for the Green Party, guess what? Trump wins. Bernie’s ideals will never see the light of day under Trump, whereas with Hillary at least they have a chance.
I HATE that we need to choose the lesser of two evils so often. But it is what it is. I think the fact Bernie made it this far shows that we are indeed making progress and will one day see a candidate like him in office. But ONLY if Trump stays out of office. The future of a very left-leaning president will be dashed if Trump wins.
I love how passionate Bernie supporters have been. I love seeing people so politically involved, particularly young people. But it’s time to focus on what’s at stake now that he lost the nomination. Being a fair-weather voter is ridiculous.
‘Fake’ could be seen as deliberate.
‘Condescending’ could be seen as awkward and wonkish.
Whatever corruption there is has never been substantiated after nearly 30 years, though she does seem to arrive at the “right” (to many) conclusion only in hindsight. She’s not effusive. She’s not a natural politician like her husband.
I kinda wish she’d said Sanders would be secretary of labour. Wouldn’t that be something?
I am a Bernie supporter. I donated several hundred dollars to Bernie. I also fully know Trump is dangerous.
The DNC is supposed to remain impartial based on their charter, and they were not. When it is was clear they weren’t impartial, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz agreed to step down *after* the convention, but then Hillary invites her to help with her campaign. What message does that send to those who would like the DNC to abide by impartiality?
Who the hackers were is besides the point. The DNC is not denying the validity of those e-mails. Also, Wasserman-Schultz still tried to insert herself into the proceedings even though she was told that she would not have a role in presentations at the convention. None of this is acknowledged by the DNC.
Saying it always happens, or it’s just politics is why there is this movement. We’re tired of business as usual.
There are other options besides Hillary, and I’m leaning towards Jill Stein unless the issues are acknowledged and addressed. If Trump becomes president, it is not the Bernie Bros or Bernie’s fault. By the way, I am a Bernie Sis. The fault will lie with Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
Parents aren’t supposed to have favorites, either. The DNC did nothing overt, not even with all Bernie did wrong, and he did quite a bit. A few emails does not favoritism prove, especially when some of those emails were fabricated by the hackers.
Hillary did not do anything, and if enough Bernie voters refuse to vote for her or at all and Trump wins, that will most definitely be on those voters. The way our system works, there meaningfully aren’t any choices beyond Hillary and Donald. Downticket, yes, we get some more choice, but third party candidates get washed out at the Presidential level.
And I really do not think an anti-vaxxer is a sensible alternative.
The DNC’s job is to get a democrat in office. Period. Not to be neutral. Not to equally push for every candidate. TO WIN. Bernie has been a democrat for about 15 minutes. The DNC owes him nothing.
How is it the fault of (whatever) voters if a candidate doesn’t win? Elections shouldn’t be about tactics, but convictions.
Mrs. Oldie, I agree with you.
Siri – yes, and my “conviction” is that I remember the Nader voters who swore up one side and down the other that THEY weren’t going to compromise and vote for Gore, for Gore was the same thing as Bush. Their convictions gifted us: Iraq and Afghanistan, plus the ongoing bucket of fun that is DAESH or ISIL or whatever the fun they’re going by these days, absolutely zero movement on gun safety, an atrocious response to Katrina, the largest financial meltdown since the 30s, Citizen’s United and a righter-wing system of courts. Have your convictions, but recognize why some of us see compromise as the real course of conviction.
The only other option to Hillary Clinton is Donald Trump. Why is it so hard to see this?
Betsy and Odie, Bernie agreed to play by the rules, and he is. But the DNC most definitely did not.
“The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the
Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.”
If you want to say it’s business as usual, saying one thing and doing another, I wouldn’t disagree. The majority of the electorate is tired of that.
Beyond Jill Stein, there is Gary Johnson who may just may well be part of the debates. I really hope so.
And, Siri, hear, hear! It’s not the voters’ fault if Hillary doesn’t win.
Again, they didn’t DO anything differently. They didn’t. And they sure couldn’t throw extra three million votes at Hillary. That’s three million Americans who preferred Hillary over Bernie.
So…just to keep it straight:
1.) Hillary pulls ahead in pledged delegates. Bro Response: “Don’t use delegates, it subverts the will of the people! Use popular vote only!”
2.) Hillary earns 3 million more popular votes. Bro Response: “Cheating! Rigged primaries!”
3.) Sanders’ own campaign manager states that no cheating happened, the primaries were fair. Bro Response: “Super delegates should vote their conscience! Bernie or Bust!”
4.) Super delegates pledge for Clinton. Bro Response: “You can’t make me! You can’t make me!”
Jesus, my 5 and 2 year olds have greater emotional maturity than this. They just keep moving the goal posts until they can’t anymore, and then they just cry.
As a Bernie Sis, my issue is that the DNC was not impartial which I suspected all along. Why isn’t this being acknowledged? This impacted the media coverage among other things. If the shoe were on the other foot, and you donated money to Hillary, wouldn’t you expect more than a glossing over of the facts? Blaming the Russians? How about owning up to what happened. Hillary hiring Wassmerman-Schultz after she resigned as DNC chair was a slap in the face as well. If you want, I can explain this in terms your 5 and 2 year olds are sure to understand.
But they don’t need to be. People are talking about the “emails” as though they show that the DNC actively sabotaged Sanders, when in fact they show no such thing. The emails show that the employees of the DNC had stated preferences. That is totally fine and violates no campaign rules. The DNC’s legal obligations of impartiality include 1.) not denying any campaign access to funds 2.) not placing any legal obstructions in the way of the campaign. Which, they didn’t. You seem to be operating the impression that “impartiality” is identical in meaning to “no preference.” It is not. It simply means that each campaign must have access to the same resources and that the primaries must be carried out fairly. Sanders did in fact get his voter database access suspended, but the Sanders campaign conceded that they did, in fact, improperly access it in the first place (oops). So that was actually…uh…okay.
You might want to check in with Symone Sanders, who is the national press secretary for Sanders, who empathically stated on Twitter that “We lost.” There were no rigged primaries, no cheating, no DNC malfeasance. She corrected noted that the emails showed that DNC staffers certainly seemed, as a group, to favor Clinton – but there is nothing illegal or shady about that. Employees are free to have those preferences. You lost. That’s easy enough for a child to understand, but seems to be a tough concept for you grown ladies.
So it’s not about policies, or who would make the better president, your decision on who to vote for is based on the actions of someone who’s not even a candidate?
Don’t forget, Bernie Sanders wasn’t actually a Democrat until he decided to run for President, and wasn’t supporting other Democrats on other tickets. He joined because he wanted the DNC’s money. Granted, I don’t personally think the DNC is *actually* supposed to be impartial. It’s the Committee’s job to identify and nurture candidates that have a snowball’s chance in hell in winning and being a good president, and they’re beholden to the people who have donated money specifically to the Democratic Party (which again, Bernie isn’t). Because otherwise you get stuck with what’s going on in the GOP side.
Bridget: The DNC must be impartial insofar as it doesn’t handicap candidates. However, that does NOT mean, as the BBs contend, that the DNC cannot have a preference. It certainly can. I agree with you that Bernie was quite foolish if he thought that the DNC would embrace him after years of berating it. He was very open about becoming a Democrat (in November 2015, curiously enough) solely for the political advantages.
The Sanders campaign has been very clear that the DNC did not cheat or rig anything that caused they to lose. They just lost. The DNC emails show that employees of the DNC had preferences (and yes, the DNC probably had its own too). Nothing about that is illegal. Unless there is actual evidence that the DNC denied Sanders access to funds or others essential resources, there is no wrongdoing. But some people do not have the emotional capacity to accept that.
I want to ask you honestly- do you really believe that with the sheer cost of putting a candidate into office that either party can afford NOT to have favorites going in? How the hell else do you filter out a massive base of players into a few viable opponents? These people are literally dedicated to getting their people into office. I am seriously amazed that people are treating this like some massive revelation when I could have told you this from the start. They showed Sanders to run his platform- even after switching parties – using their resources, they didn’t lock him out from the primaries or the media, yet people are still grasping at the idea that rigging was involved. He was a well liked candidate who lost- that’s out, nothing more. It happens all the time.
Bernie got as much media attention as O’Malley and the other democrat that ran, which is to say that low poll numbers and small group of supporters didn’t stir the media’s interest.
When Bernie started polling higher and getting more supporters he started getting more media attention.
Also, let’s be realistic: 3 small town white male candidates vs. A Clinton and the possible first female presidential nominee.
If I was head of a news team I can tell you which person I’d be more interested in covering.
She gave Wasserman Schultz a soft landing because she is needed in Florida – you know, the state that lost the election for Al Gore. Big picture, people. Big picture.
It impacted the media coverage? My god, ALL the talk was about Bernie, a TON of coverage was about Bernie. The media found an exciting story and it wasn’t Clinton. Were we actually observing the same things?
Bernie was not cheated. Hillary had nothing to do with the DNC. The DNC did not ACT upon their ridiculous brainstorming strategy which encompassed *one* email. Geez, how many times does it have to be said and all some Bernie supporters can say is that the DNC and Hillary are corrupt. Meanwhile Bernie is pure as the driven snow. Shyeah.
DD, for the same reason the GOP spent nothing going after Sanders: they knew, as did everyone involved in politics, that Sanders had no chance, and that Hillary was the only real threat. So you see, even the GOP knew he wasn’t a viable candidate for president. However, if you and your fellow Sises and Bros hit hard at the local level and elect Democrats, Progressives, or Liberal Independents, you will have Sanders as the Senate Majority Leader, the third stop to the oval office. That’s how you give Sanders more power than the POTUS on some levels. He would have a much more solid command of the narrative. Plus, come on! He was a Democrat for the soul purpose of this election and has never raised a penny for them, so why should they empty any of their coffers his way? I adore Sen. Sanders, but I absolutely think my questions is fair.
I have BOB friends, and I’m just like…ENOUGH ALREADY. There was no rigging. The guy was not blocked from primaries. He wasn’t taken off the ballots. He had VERY positive media presence leading to the primaries, and he still lost. The guy was a socialist running on a Democratic platform. Anti-establishment attitudes only take people so far when you actually have to use the establishment to make the changes you want. I was more surprised he got as far as he did, much less that he lost. If you can’t vote for Hillary, that’s fine, but STFU and get your ass out to those Congressional elections.
Did you notice that some of the Bernie’s supporters don’t understand that in some states YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VOTING RECORD before you are declared a Democrat or Republican? IF YOU HAVEN’T ALREADY VOTED AS A DEMOCRAT IN THESE STATES, THEN YOU CAN’T VOTE IN THE PRIMARY AS A DEMOCRAT! They do this in some states to prevent people of opposing parties from voting in the opposite party’s primaries for candidates who can’t win.
THESE STATES HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES; but, one can’t convince some of the Bernie Sanders supporters of this. It’s all Hillary’s fault! She has rigged the election!
I’m not saying it was all of the Bernie supporters who thought this. It was a few who need an extra history class.
My state is not a primary state; but, if it was, I would have voted for Bernie. I was a Bernie supporter. However, he did NOT WIN the primary! He is NOT the nominee! It is time to move on and vote for Hillary! Hillary is not insane! Why aren’t these die hard Bernie supporters more worried about the crazy man who might become president if they keep up their shenanigans?!
The Primary system SUCKS. But it’s always sucked. And as John Oliver said, if we want it to change then we need to push for change when the election wheels aren’t already in motion. We can’t get mad now and then forget about it later, if we really want it to change
I agree Bridget. My state is a caucus state. If you’re older or ill, then you can’t attend and your vote isn’t counted. They need to get rid of the caucuses and have primaries in each state. Further, newcomers should be able to vote in any primary they wish to vote in. We should take their party designation as their word instead of treating them like they are untrustworthy.
@Veronica….I like your comments. No bull, just facts and telling it like it is!
There’s so much danger in a Trump presidency for…the globe and outer space, basically.
How can these Bernie-or-Bust people be so shortsighted and selfish? Help Clinton get elected, and then make a strong run for Bernie to get the nod in four years if she’s a bad president. Don’t help Trump win when he’s further aligned from your goals, unless your goal was always my way or the highway.
Bernie won’t run again – he’ll be what, 77? – but there are many progressive Democrats coming up in the party who deserve a chance, and won’t get it unless Clinton wins this year. The Democrats are finally developing some bench strength, which this convention is showcasing.
I’m living with a 21 year old was-for-Bernie-now-for Hillary and an 18 year old Bernie-or-Buster. My husband and I have been for Hillary. So the house has just been a barrel of laughs lately. And I have some RABID Bernie-or-Busters friends and they are going batsh** crazy on social media.
And to whoever mentioned it upthread, I’m having Nader 2000 deja vu also. Scary.
Oh, KOri, Sweetheart, I’m so sorry for your hopefully temporary domestic discord. I did see this in FB, and I’m still laughing: “I saved a ton of money on Christmas presents by discussing politics on Facebook.” However, I have full faith in the Orange Furer to do something so outrageous (he doesn’t want this job), that even your 18-year-old will come around. In the meantime, feel free to wine about it.
I respect these people are frustrated and unhappy, and want to have their voices heard, however, the DNC has been going out of their way to listen to these people. With that being said you don’t disrespect people who have served our country for years. You don’t boo a men and women who put their lives on the line because your first choice didn’t win. If you are that upset go home.
President Obama, VP Biden, Senator Sanders have all said if you want to fix it GET INVOLVED. You don’t boo you vote, you get in the arena (to quote our brilliant President).
These people are a disgrace, I am sorry I don’t mean all Bernie voters as most have behaved. But to behave like this, to disrespect the man who helped find and bring to justice Bin Laden- THE MAN WHO CAUSED 9/11. Or worse John Lewis, I can’t go into my thoughts on that. But basically they are human garbage.
The woman didn’t get to speak because she won’t shut up about hurt feelings- are you kidding me? Grow the hell up! The Republican nominee just asked for Russia to commit espionage and she is worried about their feelings?!?!?!?!
I am disgusted with these Bernie or Bust freaks, and the Republicans focusing on that when that is going on.
People should try to take a gentler view towards the Bernie supporters. Latest polls have Trump & Clinton very, very close. Some even show Trump pulling ahead, and that’s with Trump spending a fraction of what Clinton is spending on her campaign. Clinton will need Bernie’s supporters to turn her way. Consistently show enough animosity towards the ‘Berners’ and that will never happen.
Most of the Berners are now warming for Hillary, if not burning yet.
Thank you, Flama, I couldn’t agree more. Big picture, big picture, we don’t all boo, and just because we support Bernie doesn’t mean we’ve never been politically active before.
We really need the DNC to weed out the mass number of people running for president? I thought the primaries were supposed to do that.
All voters should be registered when they get their social security cards, and all primaries should be open. The DNC and RNC are dying parties. We desperately need election reform.
Nina Turner was a state senator, not a US senator. Just saying.
She really is the elite version of Jenny McCarthy isn’t she. Susan….give it up, the US is facing a political disaster and you’re whining about Bernie despite his pleas for you to STOP and go with HRC to end the nightmarish possibility of a Trump presidency.
The DNC has been far nicer to the BoBs than I would have been. Every time I hear them booing someone I want to punch them in the crotch. Bernie lost. The majority’s will was done and Clinton is our nominee. I’m not sure how basic math escapes them. Bernie lost by nearly 4 million votes. The fact that the DNC has been lavishing praise on him and his campaign all while having to listen to their silly faction disrespecting long-time Democrats has not endeared them to anyone. They are acting like a bunch of spoiled children, who didn’t get the popsicle they wanted after dinner. If they can’t have the least amount of empathy for those groups who will be negatively affected and harmed by a Trump presidency, then who needs them. Let them go stew in their righteousness while the rest of us fight against a demagogue.
But …but..but, don’t you understand? Hillary will lose without the loudmouths. They are very powerful.
The Mayor of Echo Park tweeted this earlier: “Imagine being so white that voting for a third party just to “prove a point” is a risk you can afford to take.”
I am a political centrist with very moderate libertarian leanings, I always vote for the candidate — not the party. No party represents me. as a result I’ve voted on both sides of the traditional aisle and supported independent candidates.
I don’t think Bernie supporters are being ridiculous. They support their candidate more than the Democratic Party. Apparently that’s not OK with the party powers that be and its not OK with a lot of posters on here either,
But candidly — I completely get it. I don’t support Bernie but I will tell you this ……I respect him and he has more integrity than HC, DT and most people who threw their hats in the ring.
So the Bernie or bust people aren’t sheep falling in line to the pressure of the party powers. Good for them. America is about independence, used to be about individual freedoms. I admire individualism.
So sue me. 😜
WTH? You’re endorsing fanatics without a shred of decency or any manners to run roughshod over a convention and speakers because it’s individualistic? Jesus. At this rate there won’t be any people left to take the movement seriously when they get a gander at these reps of individualism and Bernie idealism- they”re already making the Berbers look like a fringe group. At this point they’re acting like goons. But then so do Trump supporters- they’re rugged individualists too.
I didn’t realise how twisted and messed up people’s minds can be until now.
I didn’t realize how herdish and sheeplike and divisive people could be until this election. Who knew we were all about political,party affiliation over all else, hhhm? Find the whole thing reeking of something sad. They want to be heard– not shut down or up. And so they are loud and rude? Oh my my, You prefer they sit down,,shut up and bow at the throne ? Oh my my.
Find it funny myself.
Aw geez, Bernie and they wuz robbed. That’s their protest? It’s not exactly the Vietnam war or a sit in to move along changes in gun laws is it? Crybabies.
Nobody is taking away their voice as far as I can see, nor would I argue that they should. The issue I have with the BOB movement is that I don’t understand what they think they’ll gain from this behavior. It’s fine if they don’t want to support the Democratic party if the mainstream movement doesn’t favor their ideology, but that begs the question – why are they there in the first place? Why not start making a bottom up push for a write-in vote?
Despite the sensationalism otherwise, there was no primary rigging. He was on the ballots. He was in the debates. He had the same access to DNC funds even if individuals behind the scenes didn’t think he’d make a good candidate. The people voted, and they spoke. Bernie Sanders did not lose by a slim margin. He lost by FOUR MILLION VOTES. The price of a having a voice in a democracy is that sometimes yours gets drowned out by others. It sucks, but yelling loudly isn’t going to bring about the change you want, nor should it if it’s not supported by the majority.
Serious question to Hillary Clinton’s supporters: What has she exactly done to help during her time as a politician? Has she accomplished or achieved anything great? And please don’t google this up. If you’re a Hillary supporter and can’t even answer this at the top of your head without the aid of google, then I really question whether the reason you’re on the Hillary train is because you want to be part of something “historic” in electing the first women president. For me personally, when I see her on t.v. she comes across as really fake and not genuine. She doesn’t seem trustful to me and the things that she has done as a politician shows that.
And I feel sorry for Bernie or bust people. I can understand why they refuse to support Hillary even if Bernie himself endorses her. How can they support someone they find dishonest, a liar and overall shady?
I bet you don’t know or you wouldn’t be asking the question.
CHiP: Do you know what it stands for? Ask any mother of any child born in the US what it is, then come back and ask what Hillary Clinton has done as a politician.
If BoB people are choosing to vote for Trump due to their dislike of Hillary, then they are already supporting someone who is dishonest, a liar, and overall shady.
New poster, chronic lurker. Love the level of discourse here. The way we talk to and about each other matters so kudos to some truly eloquent arguments. I learn so much. However, asking what Hillary Clinton has “done” is absurd. First Lady, Senator, Sec. Of State. Let’s start with those 3 things. As our brilliant President said last night, she’s “in the arena”. And THAT is WORK, in and of itself. You may not “like” her, but don’t denigrate her commitment to service.
The woman was a lawyer for decades and has a decorated political history as both a Senator and Secretary of State. It’s fine if you don’t agree with her ideology, but cut the crap. Bernie Sanders came into the election with a similar pedigree, and nobody questioned his competence.
“If you’re a Hillary supporter and can’t even answer this at the top of your head without the aid of google, then I really question whether the reason you’re on the Hillary train is because you want to be part of something “historic” in electing the first women president.” That statement makes me question if you’ve ever read anything in your life before this article. I can’t imagine why you would come to this site and offend every single HRC supporter with ludicrous conjecture. Grow up! And get used the hearing that until you actually.
It doesn’t matter what Hillary has or hasn’t achieved. What matters is what trump will do to our country and our world if he is elected. I would vote for a two headed, gelatinous goat to keep that potential rabid orange dictator away from the most powerful job on earth.
And I was a bernie supporter.
As a non-USA person the very idea that Donald Trump can and may be elected the ruler of an entire COUNTRY just boggles my mind. How is this even happening? Hahaha you guys, this is one big prank, isn’t it?
Let me start by saying I hate rude behavior. So the rude, obnoxious protesting by any group annoys me. But, after watching Bernie all I could think is what a phony and a hack he is. His supporters saw him as a revolutionary and then he just fell in line. I feel like the Cruz approach was much better and more respectable.
I’m convinced most BoB folks who plan to write in Bernie Sanders, or protest vote Jill Stein or that Libertarian candidate (who couldn’t be further politically from Bernie if he tried)–anyway.
I’m convinced they don’t understand what happens if there is a plurality in the electoral college. If no candidate achieves the magic number, the decision goes to the (Republican) controlled House. And they pick whomever they want from the candidates. So even if HC got 40%, write-in Bernie, Jill Stein, and the Flaming Cheeto all rec’d 20%…the House would select that bag of Drumpf.
And I believe the Senate chooses the VP, if I recall correctly.
So protest votes are actually polite notes to the Repubs in the House saying “pretty please choose my next President for me?”