Was Angelina Jolie ‘in a rush’ to find a Malibu rental before the plane incident?

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There’s a theory being floated around the Brangelina Split. The theory is that Angelina Jolie knew that she was going to divorce Brad Pitt months ago, and after something went down on the plane a week and a half ago, she decided suddenly to pull the trigger on the divorce and “use” the incident to paint Brad in a particularly bad light. I have no idea if this theory has legs. Most sources and most media outlets have said all week that Brad and Angelina were having issues for months leading up to the incident, so I’ll buy that Angelina – forever an organized planner – was already thinking about what she was going to do post-Brad. But the theory does tend to make Jolie out to be a Machiavellian schemer, which is par for the course in the history of how Angelina’s actions and motivations are covered. And even if she was planning on getting out before the plane incident, are we saying that she somehow “forced” Brad to get into a heated conflict that allegedly involved him going nose-to-nose with his teenage son?

The evidence for this theory took a weird turn on Friday and Saturday when the Daily Mail reported that Angelina had already rented a separate home in Malibu weeks before the plane incident – go here for the Daily Mail’s exclusive. Their source says Angelina rented the “Malibu fortress” three weeks before she filed for divorce on September 19th. But… People Magazine countered that claim with this:

Angelina Jolie rented a new L.A. home for herself and her kids shortly before filing for divorce from husband Brad Pitt on Monday, a real estate source tells PEOPLE. A Jolie staffer rented the home during the second week of September on a month-to-month basis, the source says – before the actress even viewed the home.

The fully furnished 5-bedroom home is “a very peaceful property and very kid-friendly.” The source says that the home rents for $95,000 a month.

“You could tell Angelina was in a rush to find a new house,” the source says. “Her people signed a lease very quickly. They only seemed concerned about if it was an appropriate house for kids.”

[From People]

“The second week of September” is vague considering the compressed timeline of plane incident-to-separation-to-divorce filing, all of which went down in a matter of 5 days, September 14th to September 19th. It’s more than possible that Angelina’s people did rent the house days before the plane incident. And…?

A few more things… People ran an article in which a “family member” claims that Angelina is pretty devastated with the way everything turned out. The source says: “Her family is broken and she is in agony. Her children are recovering from the events that brought about the filing of the divorce. Her focus is on their health and emotional well-being.”

By all accounts (his sources and her sources), Brad hasn’t seen the kids or Angelina since the sh-t went down on the plane. Us Weekly went one step further, claiming that not only have Angelina and Brad not seen each other, but they’re not talking or texting. Because she’s blocked all incoming texts and calls from him. An insider tells Us Weekly: “Angelina has blocked all incoming text messages and also Brad’s numbers.” Whoa, is she ghosting him???

Last thing: there’s another story about how Angelina wants to move to England full-time and join the House of Lords.

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  1. Sahra says:

    she probably debated divorce for months and had one of those “if this happens one more time…..” moments.

    • kri says:

      Agreed, @Sahra. So maybe Brad has been a mess for awhile. I just hope that there hasn’t been a long period of drunk/abusive behavior. That’s hard to deal with. This was the last straw, I guess? (It sure as hell would have been for me).

      • Heather says:

        They probably don’t see each other all that much. It’s not like they’re a poor couple who live in a trailer together and Brad’s drinking on the porch all day.

        They have lots of breaks from each other and so there’s probably lots of time and space to overlook problems until they are right there in your face again.

      • Birdix says:

        Agreed Heather, and that $ makes such a difference. I have a dear friend trapped in a really bad situation/marriage in poor health in a different country and I so wish I had Angelina/Brad money and could swoop in and give her alternatives/freedom to choose a different path.

      • Delilah says:

        Lmfao at Heather, “It’s not like they’re a poor couple who live in a trailer together and Brad’s drinking on the porch all day.”

      • qwerty says:

        I think she wanted out and was preparing to leave in some time but the fight happened and she said “f**k it” and went ahead sooner than she’d planned

    • Luca76 says:

      Exactly things were probably escalating and the fighting getting unmanageable and then while trying to give co-parenting another shot this happened.

      • B n A fn says:

        I totally agree with you Sahra. I believe he has been doing alone things without his family like going away for months filming Allied. They used to travel as a family to different locations and that pledge was broken. I also believe his drinking progressed and weed smoking got worse. iMovie, Angeline sticker around longer than she should because of the children.

        I remember them saying after the wedding that one of the vows the children wrote was whenever they fight they should say sorry. I’m thinking they were fighting before the wedding and things just went downhill. According to Brad Angelina is very decisive so after awhile with no improvement she was planning for the final straw, and she knew it was coming. I’m a fan of both of them but I have to side with with Angelina if he was disrespecting her and their children. Good luck to all especially all of them.

      • Delilah says:

        @ B N A FN, “iMovie”? Do you mean “I think”? Evil autocorrect strikes again to distort MSGs! I swear it does more harm than good! Either that or I am really challenged by the latest online jargon which is a more likely possibility than I’d like to admit.

      • Delilah says:

        As a very decisive person myself, Angelina’s methods resonate. I don’t make a move—like breaking up, leaving a job, cutting you off, suing, etc.—without a few, albeit limited, warning shots. But because I’m not all melodramatic and theatrical about it, sometimes I think people have a hard time taking those initial shots seriously. But Brad’s been with Angelina long enough to interpret the degree of her frustration regardless of evidence of upfront melodrama. Me thinks maybe he gambled. He bet he had more time to change and he was wrong. And now he’s spiraling. God bless this family and help them find their way back to each other. I have personally declared this as a month of necessary healing. It is afterall, suicide prevention month and the focus of this platform is getting people the help they need for any health problems, both physical and mental, that are known to contribute to self-medicating and self-harm.

      • tracking says:

        Yes, this makes a lot of sense.

    • MarthaB. says:

      I think they were in London with him through the most of the filming of Allied. They were photos of them together going shopping with kids in March, Angelina shopping with kids in London some weeks after that, and after that BBC speech on refugees that she gave in London, I think it was mid May, she came to LA with kids. Brad filming was done in the next two weeks and he came to LA too.

      • B n A fn says:

        @MarthaB, thank you for the correction. I don’t remember seeing them too much this year. I just knew something was off with them, this year. I’m just so bummed because I’m a fan of both and I thought they were going to make it work after the ten year mark. I’m going to give Angie the benefit of the doubt and hope they can work this out especially for the six kids. I also feel bad for MADD that he was put in the position to have to step in to protect his mom, jmo.

      • B n A fn says:

        @Deliliah, lol. I know this auto correct is really acting up. What I was saying is, “I believe” and … Angie “sticked” around longer… Thank you for pointing it out so I can make correction. Sometimes I am doing chores around the house, make a comment and leave without proofreading or re reading.

      • Delilah says:

        No worries B N A FN I applaud you for multi-tasking!

    • Mila says:

      To be with Depp. According to the sun 😂 hilarious story saw it on DM

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:

      My guess also. “The plane/tarmac incident” that Pitt himself confirms just speed up her future decision to divorce.

    • PimmsCupInAPimpCup says:

      I can’t hate her.
      She put ‘kid friendly’ as a priority in renting a house.

    • Lexie says:

      Yep, bet she wrestled with herself, seeing warning signs but not wanting to pull the trigger in case something changed… but then decided nothing was ever going to change.

  2. minx says:

    She is going to be painted as the villainess no matter what.

    • Mrs. Welen-Melon says:

      But is she Machiavellian? Of course. Anyone and everyone who has achieved at such high levels in that cut-throat industry would be.

      • Birdix says:

        It’s so easy to see her that way (we have the visual of her as Maleficent!), while Brad is visualized as a prettier version of corn fed Everyman from middle America. So narratives are invented to match their personas. The truth is complicated I imagine, but who needs it when we have these archetypes!

      • Liv says:

        I agree that we all have stereotypes of how they might be in our heads. But Angelina is not just a regular actress whose good with the media. Like Lainey says she doesn’t have a publicist but controls the media and the reports about her and her family. I’d say she’s very good at this and that’s why she has the upper hand since the beginning. She surprised him and he didn’t manage to keep up.

    • Blue says:

      This.

      No matter what she does, many people will see it as her fault. Heaven forbid the pretty boy man child is responsible for his own actions.

      • N. says:

        This! That’s what always irked me about Brad Pitt.
        He had a beautiful face and that blond hair and a hot body so he got away with things he never should have gotten away with.
        Sleeping with a minor? Uh, she must have suduced him.
        Cheating on his wife? It’s not his fault, he couldn’t say No to the evil seductress!
        Getting wasted and going off on his children? His crazy wife made him do it, she drove him to drinking and taking drugs!
        He’s a grown man in his 50s but he never owns up to his actions and he is all too comfortable watching someone else getting blamed for his mistakes. Pathetic.

      • Jeanette says:

        I once saw a quote that said, “no matter how gorgeous someone is, somewhere, someone is sick of their shit.” I think it applies here. Brad was no real prize as a human when they got together. She was a mess before, but had turned things around with Maddox.

        I hope that boy does not have a misguided sense of blame about this.

    • Heather says:

      Because she came out punching, that’s why.

      • LittleTeaPot says:

        Yes, she did come out punching. The way she positioned her initial statement is very telling. I don’t know how she expected Brad to react, he had to defend himself in some way. I think it could have been handled much differently, for everyone’s sake.

      • Blue says:

        Angelina’s punching isn’t the problem.

      • minx says:

        We really don’t know the true details, just what is being fed to the press.

      • dotdotdot says:

        Except Angelina is not the one who needs to explain whether or not she “punched” or otherwise abused her child.

        Also I would gladly actually punch and divorce an asshole who dares to abuse my baby. No-one is entitled to marriage, especially if they think that teenagers are an equal counterpart to take out their anger on. No sympathy there.

    • Louise177 says:

      A lot of people are blaming Angelina and Maddox even with some of the circumstances released. People are insisting Maddox was out of control and Brad was just disciplining him. When it sounds like Brad and Angelina were arguing and he was defending her. But it’s being ignored that Brad was drunk and maybe acting a little bizarre. It’s one thing to get drunk but a huge no in front of your young kids. I said on another thread but I agree that this was the final straw. People don’t file for divorce over one incident(maybe murder) without trying to work it out first. For all we know they tried for the whole year but nothing changed. They didn’t file for a legal separation so the divorce seems out of nowhere.

      • dotdotdot says:

        It also ignored that Brad is 50 years old and Maddox is a child! I don´t care how drunk and angry you are, a child is in no shape or form your equal to have a “nose-to-nose” argument with.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Especially when nose to nose makes no sense with about 8 inches difference in height.

      • Anners says:

        Agree with @Louise177. I think this marriage was rough for a while, Angelina was probably planning a quieter ending, then the plane debacle happened and she pulled the chute. Not sure that I would classify her as Machiavellian. More that she was getting herself prepared to take sole care of her kids. That’s a strong mother. I’m sure they both share some of the blame (because that’s how marriage goes), but his behaviour (allegedly) is frightening.

    • Wren says:

      Yes, she is, but you know what? I love The Villainess Jolie. She’s decisive, fearless, does exactly what she wants and always accomplishes her goals. It’s amusing to me, in a dark way, that everyone rushes and has always rushed to damn her as the femme fatale, when in a man pretty much everything she’s ever done in her entire life would be lauded.

      So more Villainess Jolie! Such terrible woman, not standing for her husband’s foolery any longer, and having the coolness to plan and execute a way out for her and her kids. Bitches get sh-t done.

      • dotdotdot says:

        +1

      • madonami says:

        i’m not saying it’s wrong for her to “get sh*t done,” but it’s a whole hell of a lot easier to be be fearless and do whatever you want when you’ve got millions. same goes for him. they BOTH irritate the hell out of me.

        somehow she’s both a “master media manipulator” to get the tales she wants spun, but is also the “victim” of being painted as dark femme fatale? give me a break. she actively paints *herself* that way.

        and brad *has* gotten away with sh*t by virtue of being (A) a man and (B) beautiful. i don’t even like Aniston and i agree that he is/was majorly missing a sensitivity chip with the way he handled that whole deal.

        but, honestly, i’m going to save my sympathies for the kids and for people in bad situations who don’t have the luxury to just jet wherever, rent a dream house in 2 seconds, hide out as desired, etc.

    • H says:

      @minx The Sony hack alluded to her being a control freak. I’m reserving judgment until the FBI releases their report since there is video.

  3. Mew says:

    Well, she had met Wasser already in spring. I think she’s been thinking this divorce a whole lot longer already, making preparations. It doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be problems that made her feel that she needed to protect the health of her family.

    If I had a man and he was constantly partying and boozing, that would be reason enough for me to go even if it was “just” that and nothing else. I can’t tolerate party boys and I sure wouldn’t let my kids grow around one.

    • Xboxsucks says:

      Wasser told nyt he only heard of angelina on 15th for the first time in years

    • MarthaB. says:

      That’s not true . Wasser said in NYT interview yesterday, that she new Angelina from many years ago (BBT divorce), and they just got in contact. That’s from Laura Wassser’s mouth. There is a link here:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/fashion/angelina-jolie-brad-pitt-divorce-laywer-laura-wasser.html?_r=0

      I quote the sentence from there:
      ” She said that she had not seen Ms. Jolie Pitt in years, until they reconnected last week.”

      I think that most of what is written in tabloids and blogs is speculation and most of it is not true. I have no doubt that the person who is going to take blame in public eyes is going to be Angelina. As always she is going to be portrayed as villain , and Teflon Brad is going to find sympathy.

      • Wilma says:

        I’m not sure. In the Hollywood Reporter (? Or was it Vanity Fair) profile Wasser said she had a couple of high profile divorces for after the Oscars. I think it was three. She was going to pair them so that attention would be divided. But these divorces never materialised on that timeframe.

    • Colette says:

      Post a link or picture of her meeting Wasser in the Spring.

  4. Dorothy#1 says:

    $95,000 a month for a rental?!! I can’t wrap my brain around that kind of $.

    • Lucrezia says:

      Yeah, I got distracted by that too. If I was going to pay that kind of cash for somewhere to toss my bags, I’d want it to be more than “kid friendly”. I’d expect it to be self-cleaning, with a bow on the toilet, and mints on the pillow. Okay, you’re right … that’s a hotel. But that’s what I’d want. Why live in a house?

    • manda says:

      I know, right? That’s about what I owe in student loan debt, and it will take me like 10 to 20 years to pay it off! I can’t fathom the wealth. Which is why I can’t watch the kardashians or the real housewives. They throw around this kind of money like it’s nothing, and I’m like, “if you’re just going to buy a few purses that you only use once, pay off my loans instead!”

      • bettyrose says:

        Manda, IKR? There’s an argument that rich people who spend frivolously are supporting the economy, but there’s a difference between living nicely and being wasteful.

        (Note: I’m referring to those gawd awful reality shows, not AJ.)

    • Elizabeth says:

      How much does it cost to buy then??
      Doesnt she have other properties – familiar homes the kids and she could have gone to. But whatever, the Malibu mansion looks gorgeous.

    • Zuzus Girl says:

      That is more than I have left on my mortgage. I can only fantasize about paying it off in one month.

  5. Sullivan says:

    The airplane incident wasn’t the first time Brad screwed-up, it was the inevitable last straw. She was smart to plan ahead instead of doing something rash. She had six kids to think about.

    • minx says:

      Exactly. It’s becoming apparent that they’ve had problems for awhile and Angie was thinking about getting out. I commend her,

  6. Angel says:

    So what if she had planned it. She has six kids. If his drinking and smoking pot have been going on for awhile, they probably fought about it before. Separation is tough and when you have kids you can’t just crash on your friend’s couch.

    If they were arguing and it got so bad that Maddox stepped in to defend his mom, that would be reason enough for me to ask for a separation. If it gets that heated we both need a break anyway. Didn’t Brad say that he was miserable in his marriage to Jen and just smoking a lot of pot? If so isn’t that what he’s doing now? And for anyone about to jump down my throat with “It’s just weed”….ugh. It can make some people completely lose interest in everything except getting high. I hate it.

    • bettyrose says:

      Yeah, this angle makes no sense. Like, would it be better if she were divorcing him in a rash decision over an isolated incident? Of course she was weighing her options for months before filing, and then things took a turn for the worse so she acted quickly.

      • cindy says:

        That’s how any normal separation would go. Especially with children. What else was she supposed to do? How is thinking things through “plotting”?

    • minx says:

      + 1000

    • dotdotdot says:

      Seriously, even if Brad were a perfect angel, he is still not entitled to be married to Angelina if divorce is what she wants. People just fall out of love, that happens.
      But since Brad abused their son why is it even a thing that people freak out that Angelina moves fast and precise to protect her children from harm???

    • MiniMii says:

      I agree with everything you say – minus the bit about the weed. The idea that “it can make people lose interest in everything except getting high” is not true. Those people might be using weed as an escape, or an excuse, but their sh*itty behavior is THEIR fault, not the plant’s.

      • honeybee blues says:

        Thank you, MiniMii! I have a naturally excessive physical energy level, and that plant helps me to calm it down and get things done (no attention disorder, just a hard time sitting for long periods), so the opposite of those who “lose interest.” I live in Colorado, so the stigma here is pretty much only from a tiny minority who think that “Reefer Madness” was a documentary. My “joy store” is on a busy corner right in the middle of Boulder, and I go in and out without any concern of who sees me. As does everyone else. Since recreational legalization began in 2014, violent crime across CO has gone down 10%, which is a high (pun intended) number considering there is no other factor in play (no new police forces, etc.). As you said, the plant isn’t the problem. The imbiber is.

  7. Nope says:

    There are also stories about her wanting to be appointed UN Secretary General. Meaning that poor Brad was sick and tired of her travels and ambitions.
    Of course when a marriage breaks in pieces its because of her career, not of his “fooling around” or being drunk or high in front of the children. And of course it’s because of her erratic behaviour even if she is not the one raising her voice or hands.

    • MarthaB. says:

      Oh, This is just the beginning of the stories of how awful she was – she was this charicature villan for many years and now they have green light to make new stories that will surpass those from before. Wasn’t that
      a tabloid dream for 12 years?

    • Luca76 says:

      She won’t be able to take the kids out of the state no less country without his and the courts permission even if she was granted full custody.

    • Goldie says:

      I saw that story and was so disappointed. Even though I believe that Brad acted inappropriately and is in denial, I at least gave him a bit of credit for not trying to publicly vilify Angelina through the press a la Depp and Amber Heard.
      Now, it just seems like he was holding back while the authorities were investigating. And now that it seems like he’s unlikely to face charges, the gloves are coming off. This of course is assuming that he planted the story, which, to be fair, we don’t know for sure.
      *sigh* I wish he would just go get help and not worry about the media.

    • Heather says:

      They’ve both been working non-stop on different projects for a decade now.

      I think they inspire each other, somewhat, but they don’t really spend much time “together” together. (Except for “By the Sea,” which was a hot mess, and could not have helped matters much).

    • bettyrose says:

      This is all such a rude awakening. I always thought Brad was madly in love with her eenergy, caught up in her whirlwind. He’s an aging playboy and she keeps him on his toes. Or so I thought.

    • LeAnn Stinks says:

      Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that based on Jolie’s track record, that Pitt was the only one cheating. I believe they had an open a marriage, or some kind of mutual agreement, and his alleged affair with Cotillard was the final straw. Why? Because he got caught and the media exposed it. Plus, there is now a question of the paternity of her baby.

      Also, there is a rumor floating around that Jolie has been having an affair with a high powered politician, and has wanted out of the marriage, for quite some time. It is also being “reported” that Brad’s behavior, and addiction issues, are being blamed for the spilt, so that Angelina can gain full custody of the children.

      Gossip sites are also reporting that Pitt’s camp is considering revealing Joile’s drug abuse and eating disorders, if she continues to drag his name through the mud. His camp claims he is hesitating, only because, he does not want hurt the children by smearing their mother’s reputation in the press.

      Again, these are all rumors and speculation. The only individuals who truly know what has really transpired, are the parties involved, and possibly close family members and friends.

      While I admit that I am not a fan of Jolie, and tend to believe the negative press about her to a certain degree, Pitt has many shortcomings of his own. I think they are both problematic, and I expect, that this divorce may get very dirty and contentious, along the lines of the Depp/Heard split. The only upside to that split, was that Heard and Depp did not have any children, and that is who will be hurt the most, by all of this mudslinging.

      • minx says:

        Marion Cotillard’s statement was pretty definite about who was the father of her baby.

      • Delilah says:

        I don’t believe this has anything to do with fidelity. Commitment, yes. As in commitment to protecting their brand as a close-knit family and once that was obviously compromised this is the ugly result we see played out in the press.

      • Dana says:

        The Marion cheating story has been shut down twice. The articles written about this divorce on the daily mail, radar online, and Us weekly are disgusting. Most are sexiest and want to paint Jolie as a monster.The media couldn’t wait to have a field day with dirty stories when this couple split. It’s like Christmas morning for them.

      • MC2 says:

        I agree with Dana’s post. There is no truth to the Marion rumors that I have heard and many of the articles & rumors that are out there are just gross. I appreciate this site doing all the wading through the crap for me and trying to pick out the nuggets because there is a lot of stinky & untrue stuff on these two out there.

      • LeAnn Stinks says:

        And I happen to agree with Delilah’s comment, I think there is way more to this narrative than Pitt’s behavior being the sole reason for the dissolution of this union.

        Regarding Cotillard, while the odds are most likely in favor of her baby not being Pitt’s, that still doesn’t mean it couldn’t be a small possibility. Liv Tyler grew up believing Todd Rungren was biological father, until her late teens when she confronted her mother about her striking physical resemblance to Steven Tyler. So, it is possible to cover up a whoopsy and keep something a secret, if it isimportant enough to all the parties involved. Plus, anyone can write anyone’s name down a birth certificate as the biological parent, doesn’t mean that is the case. Only a paternity test can prove whether one is the father or not.

        Finally, baby or not, Cotillard would have to be a fool to admit to a transgression with Pitt. She saw what happened with the Pitt, Aniston, Jolie fiasco, do you really think she would ever want to be part of that type of a scenario? Of course not, so, speaking out against the reports, would be logical for anyone with common sense.

    • Bingo says:

      “Of course when a marriage breaks in pieces its because of her career”

      Is this a surprise? Aside from it being a sexist go-to about any broken marriage, this was the narrative put about when he divorced Aniston – that she was too focused on her career while he wanted a pile of kids. Brad may not have been the source of that narrative, but I don’t remember him doing anything to shut it down, either. Probably thinks that what worked once will work again.

      • Don't kill me I'm French says:

        Same thought. Same narrative .aniston’s career killed her Pitt’s marriage and now now Jolie’s ambition is killing this marriage
        Poor Pitt ! ( I am ironic)

        Jolie has her personal reasons to divorce and Pitt just is doing of RP control

  8. Betti says:

    I would b surprised if divorce hasn’t been something she has been considering or planning for for a while and this incident is the straw that broke the camels back.

    • rosalee says:

      I read in a few pro Angelina articles she loved him for several years..either my math is off or she stopped loving him a few years ago – they fell in love while filming Mr. and Mrs. Smith..both have stated this in interviews so..2005 -2012…perhaps the Brange was too big too powerful to simply walk away from and she stayed until she realized nothing was going to change nothing was worth the toil it was taking on the family

      • bettyrose says:

        Rosalee, your timeline means she was already over it when they got married. I’ve been wondering about that. Was the wedding an attempt to rekindle the passion? At the time, I thought it was a gesture for the kids, but now I wonder.

      • Tulip Garden says:

        @Bettyrose,
        It has always bothered my that they married for “for the kids” and, apparently, are divorcing “for the kids”. The adults need to take ownership of their decisions.

      • Colette says:

        Yeah don’t get a divorce to protect your kids from being exposed to your toxic relationship.

        #sarcasm
        Getting a divorce is taking responsibility and owning your decisions.I guarantee their kids don’t want their parents.to get a divorce. She is not saying she is getting a divorced because her kids want a divorce,she said for the health of her family.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        Yes, I think she wanted to make her children happy ( because kids thought marriage was something magical that would make their parents finally happy), so she acquiesced, but it was the wrong thing for her to do, and she became more unhappy with the dynamics and threw herself into her humanitarian work, outgrowing him rapidly, and resenting him. He then began to act out in, and in a final inebriated tantrum, caused the end of the marriage.

      • april says:

        Totally agree with Butterfly.

  9. Alexa says:

    Maybe one of our British readers can help me out but can anyone join the House of Lords? Don’t you have to be a citizen first?

    • Seraphina says:

      According to the article AJ would renounce her citizenship and become a Brit. It went further to say she has her eyes on Prince Andrew. I was wondering if Kaiser would post in this.

      The article makes for a good read. I just don’t think she’s savvy enough to think she really would get into the royal circle and so what Princess Diana would do. And I read the comments and they were not flattering. But look at Camilla. She’s now in the royal circle and I never thought that would happen. So who knows.

      • MarthaB. says:

        C’mon. She has eyes on Prince Andrew? You really believe that? This is the lowest level of tabloid nonsense ever. But I am sure they will say next that she wants Prince Harry, she wants to destroy Prince William’s marriage, etc. ..It’s the start of new hunting season on her.

      • Gretchen says:

        Hahahaha I really, really doubt she’s after royalty, let alone Prince Andrew. People love to gossip about the BRF and they love to gossip about Jolie so I guess it was inevitable they’d try and link the two. And besides, I doubt she (or any woman with sense and morals) would want to touch Prince Andrew with a 10-foot barge pole considering his close ties to Jeffrey Epstein.

      • LAK says:

        You’d have to be a gade A idjit to think royalty is a good thing. I’m not talking as an anachronism, but in terms of how it works.

        Her wings would be clipped. Ditto movement. Ditto voice. Her pet cause touches on politics which it a no go area for the royals. She would have watch what she said in case she wandered into politics. She certainly couldn’t lobby govt or politicians.

        She wouldn’t be free to fly to warzones or to refugee camps or lobby govts/politicians do something about it. People who discuss this aspect of Diana’s work fail to realise that she only did this once she was separated and therefore not a member of the family. Even where Diana waded into AIDS, it was to offer comfort as opposed to lobbying treatments and or funding.

        Etc etc and so forth.

      • Sixer says:

        You have to be a British, Irish or Commonwealth citizen to sit in the HoL. Arminka Helic, for example, is now a British citizen.

        The circle of elite NGOs connected with politics is a completely separate circle to the aristos and royals. They do not really intersect at all, despite the various royal involvements with charities, as LAK notes.

      • Seraphina says:

        I never said it was biographical, simply also stating what the article states. Quoting sources “close to AJ”. Look at what happened as soon as the news broke: Marion carrying his kid, Anniston divoring too and Russian hookers. The writers are quite good with their imagination.

  10. Nibbi says:

    she’s got a circular kind of tattoo with arrows pointing down from it on her lower arm that i’ve never noticed before. anyone know details about that?

  11. Eveil says:

    I’m so sick and tired of women always being painted in the worst ways.

    • Erin says:

      Unless that woman is Taylor Swift. Then it’s all good.

      • Lolo86lf says:

        I do believe quite a few people are prone to paint Taylor Swift in bad ways.

      • Moon says:

        Taylor’s earned it. For milking a faux feminist stance to market her albums and playing up the good girl branding when in reality she’s not a nice person and her idea of feminism isn’t about female advancement but ‘me me me’. She set herself up for failure when she was revealed to be nothing like her branding. Angie on the other hand has always owned up to her flaws and is doing genuine humanitarian work especially on women’s protections with regards to sexual assault in conflict zones. So this character assassination of Angie is just…whatever. So what if she planned everything in advance? Can’t a girl look out for herself? I do think the pro-Brad crowd are partly brangeloonies in denial who really want them to get back together and Angie is the evil woman who’s destroyed the dream!

      • Paige says:

        @moon
        ? I do think the pro-Brad crowd are partly brangeloonies in denial who really want them to get back together and Angie is the evil woman who’s destroyed the dream!

        Nope, comments from Bramgeloonies are on the kids and Angelina’s side. They want Brad to get his act together. The people that think she’s evil are people that never liked her as a celebrity ( hence the ones bringing up her past), or Brad fans in denial. When it should be team kids.

  12. Sansa says:

    Angelina had to do what’s best for everyone, everyone is hurting Right now. I really hope this leads to new beginning better relationships and would love to see those kids in schools.

  13. frosty says:

    Divorces are wrenching. From here on I’ll be agnostic unless hard info comes out.

  14. Thurry says:

    To be eligible to serve in the House of Lords, you must be over 21 years of age and a citizen of the UK, another Commonwealth country, or Ireland. You must also be resident in the UK for tax purposes and accept the requirement to remain so. You also have to provide at least three references, who must explain why you would be able to contribute to the House of Lords. I’ll venture that Brad would not be providing a reference, even if Angelina was actually thinking of getting the requisite citizenship for such a purpose.

    • Dippit says:

      The response in the UK to the suggestion that she might, with deliberate intent towards elevation to the HoL, seek British citizenship has been very VERY negative.

      The very existence of the HoL as an unelected second chamber is already an issue increasingly fraught with much public dissent. I suspect that were she to be seen to attempt such a circumvention of the, already in the majorities’ minds flawed, system of appointments, procedure, and qualification there would be a significant uproar and backlash.

      I dislike the constituency of the HoL as the other tier of our bicameral legislative structure as is, were someone to attempt to qualify for a position in such an obvious fashion, I too would be outraged.

      The Establishment who wish to maintain the second chamber in its current form and constituency would be unwise to even begin to countenance such a play by AJ if that is indeed her intended aim.

      • Sixer says:

        I concur.

        This would provoke Brexit levels of outrage. I don’t even like to imagine BTL at the Fail!

        (Dippit – it would help if we ever could agree on what the HoL is actually supposed to do, wouldn’t it? If it’s mostly a revising House, I’m not necessarily against unelected members. I just think they shouldn’t be political appointments, but expert appointments – so you have X numbers of doctors, lawyers, disability experts, etc etc. If it’s actually primarily a secondary legislative House, it should be elected.)

      • Becky says:

        Having had a quick read into the eligibility of the Lords, and that the Lords Spiritual – made up of 26 Bishops – still sit there to me shows how antiquated it is.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if AJ wants to settle in the UK, she had a house here before she got together with Brad, but I think the rest of the story is hogwash.

      • Dippit says:

        Sorry Sixer on much delayed reply – daughter’s birthday party so busy day. She is now a year older than the age I was at when I had her. Odd feeling.

        I’ll keep this short, mainly because I’ve been imbibing since mid-avo.

        A failing, with 20/20 Devolution Hindsight, of Holyrood is that it does not have a bicameral structure – and the Committee System has not been sufficiently robust to ensure its functions of scrutiny and oversight over Scottish Govt. legislation could not be neutered by machinations of the Party in power. Neutered, and therefore ineffectual, they have been. AND that has been with elected MSPs forming their constituent membership.

        I have all sorts of philosophical-pols reasons to question the very existence (re: constitution of membership) the HoL in its current form. However there have been, particularly recently, occasions the HoL have quite correctly sent the Govt. back to think again.

        However, I agreed with you (with some qualification) that, should the HoL have to continue to exist as a second chamber (unelected), then a reconstitution of membership is required to fulfill a proper and comprehensive scrutiny and oversight role as the HoC with teeth greater than that of the current Select Committee set-up… that said the Committee system in WM is of far greater worth than that in operation at Holyrood.

        So yes, appointment by areas of proven knowledge and accredited expertise would be a more acceptable option than the current ‘face fits – not what you know but who you know’ elevation procedure.

        I do however have a soft spot for those remaining formerly hereditary peers (now reverted to life peers) who have remained principled (in a rather old fashioned ‘patrimony’ sense) and never taken a particular Party badge; I know one such – goes issue by issue.

        I would prefer, if to remain unelected, that such experts/peers furthermore remain Party unaligned too.

        Interestingly, given AJ’s current UK political connexions, and those she terms mentors, were she to find herself in the HoL (unlikely) it would appear most probable she would do so with her bum sitting on the Conservative side of the Chamber. Those are the connexions with whom she appears to be in thrall and vice versa. I do rather wonder how well that hypothesis of her seeming Right political leanings (certainly in UK terms) sits here on CB?

        Now it’s nearly 2am, I am drunkled-ish so I have no further coherent-ish thoughts for now. Music and one final glass methinks.

      • Dippit says:

        *”over the HoC [para#5]”

        /Long imbibing day

      • Sixer says:

        Happy birthday to daughter! I hope you don’t have a hangover this morning!

        The only peer I have met is Matthew Oakeshott (he’s a relative of a friend) who was a chocolate soldier before I was even born!

        I think the HoL, like many institutions in this old country, is currently the product of many incremental adaptations to a changing world over the centuries. And yes, the adaptations have ensured stability in the country. But also, they have left it as such a hotch potch that we now have a democratic deficit. It’s neither Arthur nor Martha and we need to be deciding whether it’s a revising house improving the quality of legislation (so unelected) or a legislative house providing a check and balance on the primary house (so elected).

        Since the entire population of the country is now in open revolt against the establishment (see: Brexit AND Corbyn AND SNP). it would be a seriously misguided politician who put AJ into the HoL. Not going to happen! I agree with you though that her current connections don’t really fit with the template of UK politics. She has Tory connections but the nexus of the elite human rights and NGO circles in the UK is associated with Labour. And she has no route in as a crossbencher either.

        So, HoL? About as likely as winning the Lottery.

  15. Heather says:

    Whatever the “truth” is, these two are over. 6 kids and two work obsessed movie-stars? A wonder the marriage lasted this long. They should be congratulated for that.

    • B n A fn says:

      I would like for them to take a break and don’t do anything rash for the kids sake. Who knows if Brad get the help it appears he obviously need with whatever kind of substance he’s abusing the children I’m sure would want to have their dad in their lives. Hope Brad is taking this wake up call seriously for his kids sake.

  16. Astrid says:

    Angelina’s actions sort of remind me of Katie Holmes, waiting for the right moment to leave with a kid with a plan in place. There comes a time when enough is enough and you have to get your kids to safety

    • Lolo86lf says:

      I agree Astrid. Children should not have to witness their parents’ breakup.

    • jinglebellsmell says:

      @Astrid I thought the same exact thing. I also don’t think any less of her if, in fact, she rented the house beforehand and waited for him to show his ass with a stupid, public incident. Hollywood is full of games, and it seems as though women need to either gain tangible evidence (Amber Herd) or execute a well thought out plan that gets you out as safely as possible (Holmes) so they are not openly flogged. They do this so their careers have a chance to stay in tact and they can continue to work. IMO Brad probably has done crap like this before, and this was ultimately the one that fell out for all to see.

      • Wren says:

        I agree too, and I further suspect that she allowed this incident to “fall out” for all to see. If she had a carefully thought out plan, I wouldn’t be surprised if part of it involved waiting for a catalyst, then using it to set the ball rolling. Part of which would involve letting the incident become public knowledge. I mean, it was their private plane, how easy would it have been to hush this up? It’s very likely they’ve been doing that for years. They, and especially she, have been very good at letting people see exactly what they/she wants them to see.

      • The Original Mia says:

        @Wren, the incident on the plane couldn’t have been hushed up if he or she wanted it. Once DFCS was involved, it was completely out of Angelina’s hand. Once the FBI began investigating the incident on the plane, it was completely out of Angelina’s hand. Doesn’t matter if they were on a private plane, there were other people on the plane who were concerned not with Brad’s image or Angelina’s plans, but those children.

      • jinglebellsmell says:

        I would certainly hope that others on the plane and landing area spoke up (despite whether or not AJ did), especially because there are children involved, The Original Mia; however, look at the Depp situation. No one spoke a word of the garbage he pulled until they HAD to (and even then it was little, vague bits pried out of their mouths). Hush up money to a regular guy can pay the rent, pay off a car or surgery copay–in other words, it can make a world of different just to look the other way. My bet is that others have seen things before and have been pat on the back to keep quiet.

    • notasugarhere says:

      That idea makes sense to me. Theory here. They’ve been having trouble since the wake-up call with her surgeries. She’s even more serious about global issues now, and a 52 year old frat boy husband with possible substance abuse issues feels like having a seventh child.

      It may have been that a trial separation was already in the works. This was the last trip before the separation began, and that is why the house was already rented. He was unable to control himself on the plane coming home, knowing she and the kids were moving out soon. The out-of-control behavior being reported wasn’t planned by either side, but it meant she moved from trial separation to divorce filing immediately.

  17. Miss Jupitero says:

    Bring back Tiddles with build a bear and dumb tank tops. I can’t look at this train wreck anymore. My opinion of Jolie and Pitt was never especially high– now it is in the Mariana trenches. Feh to them both.

    • smd says:

      Miss Jupetero, 10000÷ yes! Bring back the glorious days of Tiddleswift or whatever favored moniker used. Sigh, they were such fun to mock. This situation is just unbearably sad. I have a prediction though, either it goes quiet the next week or so (Lawyers meet and convince both sides to stop any talking, leaking stories) or it goes horribly nuclear. Truly hoping both sides see the handle it quietly route as the best for all of their family. Because if it does go nuclear, I think the harm to all involved will be devastating 🙁

      • MarthaB. says:

        It is too late to be quiet now. Taking can stop, but now there are going to be written many speculations and probably a lot of false stories – it is hard to stop this, once when it starts. The only thing that could make this a bit calmer is if Brad goes to some treatment and issue a statement that he is doing that to get better for his family. So far, he didn’t do it, so my hopes are not so high about that. 🙁

  18. Lolo86lf says:

    It looks Like Mr. Pitt did not see it coming. Question: Has he really been such a terrible parent that his wife wants him to lose joint custody of their children? What can she possibly have on him to get her wish in court?

    • MarthaB. says:

      She asked for kids to live with her (physical custody) with visitations from father, but she asked for joint legal custody, which means that decisions about children’s lives would be made by both parents. I don’t know that this is so cruel. Maybe he has problems, and she doesn’t think that kids can live with him for a longer periods of time, at least not now. If she thought that he was a terrible father, she would ask for a protective order, or supervised visitations. She didn’t ask for any of that.

      • Lolo86lf says:

        Okay I understand now. Thanks for clarifying physical and joint custody.

      • Esmom says:

        I never thought what she was initially asking for was that unreasonable. Not to mention it was maybe a negotiation starting point. But people seemed to take the “sole physical custody” thing and assume she wanted to cut Brad off completely. That and the “health of the family” statement, which sounds so loaded, set off the media s%^t storm.

      • KatnissforKaepernick says:

        Visitation for a parent that once involved in their lives 24/7 is harsh unless there is some question about the fitness of that parent.

    • Carmen says:

      It sounds more like a question of willful blindness. I think the warning signs were there for months and he ignored them because he didn’t want to see them.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Sounds likely, and he might not have been able to see much of anything. Sounds like a history of escaping instead of facing his problems.

        I once briefly dated a guy who told me a sob story about going home one day to find his ex had cleaned out her closet and belongings and left a note on the table. He said he was completely blindsided and had no idea there was anything wrong.

        Right.

        That’s why it was “briefly dated.” Nice enough guy but … oblivious doesn’t even begin to cover it.

        When I told Mr Who about this Jolie Pitt divorce and the incident, he immediately recalled what Jennifer Aniston once said, “There’s a sensitivity chip missing.” Great line.

  19. molly says:

    The house of lords & prince Andrew story was written by Ian Halperin. Ian is a known liar & fantasist so desperate for his 15 mins of fame or notoriety. When they announced the divorce he was straight on tv shows &tabloids. He is nothing but a hack.

    • Colette says:

      +1000
      Ian is disgusting and a fraud.He claimed he worked for Rolling Stone which he never did.

    • Goldie says:

      I have no idea if it true-but for the record- the story about Angelina wanting to move England and join the House of Lords was reported months ago, before the divorce. I believe that US weekly were the first to report it, and even Lainey-who is very pro Angie-seemed to think there may be some truth to it.

      That said, the Prince Andrew story is pure hogwash.

      • Colette says:

        US Weekly LMAO

      • Goldie says:

        @colette Like I said, I wasn’t trying to argue that the rumor is true. I was just trying to point out that it’s been circulating for a few months and wasn’t part of Ian Halperin’s crazy tales.

      • Marcus says:

        Goldie: I remember reading something like what you have describes. She wanted to be an ambassador for Syria. I remember that because they also reported that Brad and Angie were officially in the process of adopting a Syrian orphan that never happened.

  20. mary says:

    they are not divorced yet, angelina is in agony and brad is crying…so wait and see
    they could back together like Catherine zeta jones and mickael douglas.

  21. manta says:

    The story made me think about articles written about the wedding ceremony, how the children penned their parents’ vows. If I remember correctly, she said that the kids didn’t expect them to never fight, but made them promise to say sorry when/if that happened.
    My cynical mind ticked about that one but everybody just thought it was the cutest thing ever, and that anyway fights were very unlikely in blissland.
    With hindsight, I think these children came with this specific promise after, maybe, having witnessed heated arguments between their parents (I know, speculations from my part, but that what stroke me at the time).
    So, yeah, I see no big deal if she was careful enough to have a back up plan.

  22. Ramy says:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/fashion/angelina-jolie-brad-pitt-divorce-laywer-laura-wasser.html?_r=0&referer=
    Here’s a link about laura wasser. She said
    “she had not seen Ms. Jolie Pitt for years until they reconnected last week.”
    So I want belive THE DM. They just want to blame angie in every way possible

  23. Ainsley says:

    The pics of her in that white outfit, wow. She can be a stunning woman when she makes the effort.

  24. Colette says:

    I’m talking in general now, not specifically about Angie.
    But every woman or man who is in an abusive relationship MUST need to have an exit plan.The National Domestic Violence Hotline has some tips @www.thehotline.org

    Regarding Angie,I don’t think anyone is stupid enough think that this was the first incident.This was obviously the last straw.I am thinking they being in that closed space with him out of control and with the other kids possibly crying,screaming,frightened….Since they were on a plane she couldn’t send the other kids to their rooms.So they have to witness this incident.Seeing that, was the last straw,she felt she had to protect her kids,not from physical danger but more so from emotional damage.Obviously we don’t know,but that’s my opinion.

  25. Lyonnaise says:

    Maybe the fight on the plane was triggered by her telling him she wanted a divorce??

    • Esmom says:

      Maybe but somehow I doubt that. That would not be a great time or place, with all the kids right underfoot with nowhere to go, to break the news, imo. I’m guessing it was probably just another one of what seemed to be routine fights between the two that clearly escalated.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Given that he admitted (thru a surrogate) to being drunk, perhaps she asked him not to drink or have additional drinks.

  26. Mew says:

    Even is she hadn’t met with Wasser, she probably has already prepared for this anyway. And it doesn’t make her a bad person. I’m absolutely sure this wasn’t one time occurance that just suddenly made her do such a decision out of the blue. This has been coming a long time.

  27. MrsBPitt says:

    I’m just wondering why Angie and the kids had to move…Wouldn’t it have been better for the kids to remain in their own home and let Brad move somewhere else?

    • OhDear says:

      Maybe he refused to move? If his “sources” are to be believed, he doesn’t think that the airplane incident is a big deal and thinks that AJ is being hysterical about the whole thing.

    • Lucy2 says:

      I wondered that too, considering they have so many properties all around the world, you think they would’ve just gone to one of them.

      It all sounds to me like things were bad for a while, and she was preparing to leave, and whatever happened on the plane made her accelerate her timeline.

    • Louise177 says:

      Brad had the house for years before meeting Angelina, maybe even as far back as Gwyneth Paltrow. So it could be considered his. Then again Angelina has been there for 10 years and they are now married. The property surrounding the house have smaller structures but used for staff and offices. I think the property they have is really overstated by the media. When they rent on location or vacation the press keeps saying they bought it. I’m not up to day on their property but they used to have a house in Malibu and Santa Barbara. One was sold but I don’t know about the other. They are selling the home in New Orleans and they have the house in France. That’s pretty much it except for preservation land in Africa and Asia. Plus Angelina may have business in LA so she can’t just leave.

    • wyatt says:

      when CPS is involve ,you have to remove the kids or CPS will remove them and place them in foster care..

      • MrsBPitt says:

        @wyatt….she wouldn’t have to remove the children if Brad wasn’t living there….I just think it would be far easier for HIM to move to an apartment, hotel, etc. than to uproot six children from there home…

      • Esmom says:

        I don’t know about that. As I said in the Brad thread, I just did mandated reporter training for work to learn how to report suspected child abuse. According to my training it’s very difficult to remove children from their parents, that extreme abuse and neglect would have to be immediately evident. Statistically, only 5% of children reported are actually removed from their homes.

    • Maxime DuCamp says:

      Apparently, the house in Los Feliz, is Brad’s (the same house that he lived in while married to Jennifer Anniston, although I think he’s done several alterations to it since that time).

      • MarthaB. says:

        He did not live there with Jennifer Aniston, he lived there with Paltrow. Brad and Jennifer both another house in which they lived and they sold it after the divorce and split the money. He moved back to this house with Angelina and the kids.

    • Kate says:

      If it’s not a house she plans to ask for in the divorce, then she’s the one who should leave.

      Brad’s had that house a long time, there’s a good chance their pre-nup ensures it remains solely his.

  28. Adorable says:

    Brad Pitt Get Help & Get your Family Back!!!!!!!She prolly has her issues as well but c’mon Brad,after everything you too have gone through…really?!?…& why isn’t his fam(parents & siblings)convincing him to seek help as well!

    • Delilah says:

      Amen.

    • GingerCrunch says:

      I know I’d be able to breathe a big sigh of relief were I to read the news that he’d gone to get help. I hope his fame doesn’t keep him from doing that, though, for all their sakes.

    • Carmen says:

      We don’t know that they aren’t. But I imagine Bill and Jane Pitt must be going though hell over this. From what I’ve heard they are very fond of Angie, not to mention all their grandchildren. This must be horrible for them.

  29. LadyJane says:

    I am not sure why we have to assume that Angelina is the victim here? I think it is more enlightened to admit that anyone can work a situation towards their own end, whether male or female. I think AJ wanted out of the marriage (probably Brad too) and in the final days of their marriage, AJ found a way out, and if she played it right her children would stay with her 100% of the time. I think she saw that opportunity, and took it. If you look at what we know, that is the only thing that makes sense. No shade, but I am not going to assume that she is a victim just because she is a woman.

    • iralagi says:

      agree with you. this is the most reasonable explanation. they both want out, but angelina want their children to stay 100% of the time. From logistic point of view, it will be easier that way for her and maybe as well for brad. unfortunately, brad won’t accept it.

    • Colette says:

      I have yet to see any article painting her as a victim.I also haven’t seen any article saying Brad wants a divorce.

      • LadyJane says:

        Many articles state that they were on the outs for a good while. Lainey had a post back in June to that effect. Lots of outlets are saying that they were headed their separate ways and had grown apart over the last couple of years. I have read several articles that said that Brad wasn’t surprised by divorce per se, but was devastated at the public and sudden nature of it; at the suggestion that he was an unfit, abusive and addicted father.

      • Lolamd says:

        Many articles? Because Lainey, US Magazine, etc are oh so reliable. Before this incident everything about them was on lock down. The fact of the matter we do not know anything about the state of their marriage prior to this event. All we are doing is speculating and inferring. Until they come out and say something, it will continue to be that way.

      • Plewas says:

        Laineygossip pointed out a tiny blurb in US weekly last June about Julie selling her home and thought it was a warm up act for something bigger to come in terms of marital discord.

    • Jessie says:

      How is that the only thing that makes sense. The planning ahead could easily be read as someone who was in a bad marriage pos this type of incident happened more than Lincs and wanted out.. I am not saying this was the situation but we don’t know their marriage. saying the only thing that makes sense is that she used this incident sounds biased.

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:

      In my opinion,”The plane incident” has speeded up her decision.
      Sorry but if my relation with my husband was so bad that my child must defend me or intervene physically between us and after ,my husband goes after our child and that I must defend my child physically,I know that it is over with my husband .

      • LadyJane says:

        I think you are right. The plane incident was a horrible, convenient moment, that provided her with the possibility to get out of the marriage with her children still 100% hers in terms of custody.

  30. Adorable says:

    The kids are the “victims”here..I only mentioned Brad to get help,as so far from the accounts detailed(including from his people)he behaved erratically in that plane..Which as Jolie’s decision & her getting a house an all gives the impression it wasn’t the 1st Time…rather the last time…

  31. Jessie says:

    People mag said she’s threatened divorce before. Now with the story she blocked his numbers I do get this feeling he’s got some issues and it’s been a recurring thing over some time.

    • wyatt says:

      USWeekly article about her blocking is call should note she cant talk to him or the kids until CPS finish their investigation.

      • Zut alors! says:

        So his team is leaking to US Weekly?

      • MarthaB. says:

        Who knows Zut alors! Buy now, they all are writing things that could be true, or not! They can totally just write this narratives buy themselves. I know that I could , right now, write several possible things and leaks that would look like they are coming from one, or the other team. Just remember, how many times over the past 12 years US Weekly was writing stories that acctually came to be true?

    • Yepisaidit says:

      I’ve been telling the fans for years that Brad’s good daddy image is fake and that Angelina was so skinny because she’s extremely unhappy with Brad. They would cry about how happy Angelina is …. Boy were they wrong.

  32. Rapunzel says:

    The even better DM story is Angie “turning to” Johnny Depp!! Hahahaha…..as if.

  33. kay says:

    Errr, is she gave him two days notice how was he blindsided?

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Yup … there’s no good way or perfect time to tell someone “It’s Quitsville, honey” and given what happened (which he admitted, through a surrogate), he really shouldn’t have assumed things were going to be business as usual.

    • Zut alors! says:

      I’ve said from the beginning, he was never blindsided. His side is just feeding in to the evil Angelina, helpless Brad narrative. She’s ruining his life with her cunning, vindictive, vengeful ways, don’t you know?

  34. Ariel says:

    I’ve always thought that Ms Jolie-Pitt’s eldest child is the true love of her life.
    I say that with no disrespect to her now seemingly done marriage, nor to the other children. I am sure she loves all her kids equally.
    But the eldest is the one who changed her life, overnight, who gave her purpose and grounder her to this earth.
    Having/adopting Maddox changed everything, and I can’t imagine her fury and rage when she thought he might be in physical danger, and danger from the man she had chosen to be his father. A life built over a decade.
    She must feel sick, into her soul.

    • Mean Hannah says:

      I agree, Ariel. Her life changed with Maddox. She has often said that he saved her. Whatever problems they may have had, that moment when your son gets hurt, physically and/or emotionally, trying to defend you… Whether she needed her son’s help or not, the fact that he felt the need to get involved in that moment would be enough, if it were me, to evaluate or reevaluate the marriage.

    • Hazel says:

      Right. And I’m thinking that when the teenage son steps in, it’s because he’s witnessed these events before, but was too young to do anything about it, but now, by god, he will. Enough is enough.
      As for Angie being ‘Machiavellian’, no, she’s being an adult, a woman with six kids, thinking through the repercussions of her actions. Go Angie.

  35. Marcy says:

    Children should come first hopefully this will resolve sooner than later. Brad and Angelina unfortunately will be judged and talked about a long time. The CPS issue is hard to shake. The losers will be the kids because the world knows their business and both their parents look bad to opposite ends due to people siding with one or the other which adds to their pain. The kids need their parents to have a mediator after Brad gets help and counseling as well as Angelina and joint decide best interest of the kid. She’s no saint he’s no saint but they both need to listen to their kids and do the best for them.

  36. Helena says:

    I think we should be keep in mind that Angie did what she thought was best, given her circumstances. It doesn’t automatically mean it is carte blanche right. We know nothing about this family, apart from what has been carefully curated. None of us knows how happy or well adjusted the kids are, with either parent. In ten years time we might find out, when they speak for themselves. Their lifestyle burns through money, excessively so. Angie’s forays into directing have been failures and cost money, apart from thwarting her artistic ambition. This can have been a stress factor in the marriage too over the years. Her work for UN has garnered more media traction in the UK, so it is not unthinkable she has toyed with a move. There are millions of factors that probably all played a part in this. Family history, expectations etc. I don’t think either parent has behaved well, not now nor before. Dragging the kids around on a jet, switching time zones constantly is not responsible parenting. We assume the kids get along, but don’t know that for a fact. A flock of siblings being with each other constantly, but never in the same place long? I am not a fan of either Angie or Brad, but they both created this situation over time. And it could have been handled with much more class for the children. She chose not to.

    • Guesto says:

      Well said.

      I think yours is by far the most objective and realistic take on this current fallout.

      No villians but, more importantly, no heroes here.

    • MarthaB. says:

      She chose not to handle this with class? He chose to get drunk on a plane, with his children watching and get into altercation with one of them, not her. Could you imagine if that was her who got drunk on the plane and he did what she did – filed for divorce and removed kids ? He would be a hero, the classiest man ever!

      • Helena says:

        I do not condone getting drunk with kids. I also do not condone allegations or hearsay. I am not saying one of them is a hero, I am saying consider facts and our lack of them.

    • SereneEirene says:

      @HELENA +1000

  37. Hazel says:

    One doesn’t ‘join’ the House of Lords. Sheesh.

  38. mary says:

    remember tarantino and the five bottles of wine…brad has a drinking problem

  39. Unoriginal Commenter says:

    “The theory is that Angelina Jolie knew that she was going to divorce Brad Pitt months ago, and after something went down on the plane a week and a half ago, she decided suddenly to pull the trigger on the divorce and “use” the incident to paint Brad in a particularly bad light… But the theory does tend to make Jolie out to be a Machiavellian schemer.”

    I find it to be so ridiculous that people would try to use this to paint her negatively (although it is clearly true, people are). All this means, in my opinion, is that she didn’t come to this decision lightly, and the incidence on the plane only furthered solidified her decision to leave.

    I think people believe she is trying to “use” this event to get sole physical custody, and they are assuming that is a bad thing. I’m sorry, even if it was only one time, that is all it would take for me, as a parent, to presume that this person had the capacity to fly off the handle and get physical again. I’d be petrified to leave my children with that person unsupervised. 🙁

  40. Stevie says:

    I think she wanted out because he doesn’t fit in with her political agenda and plans to move to England. Maybe the incident on the plane was the final straw and allowed to cut ties nice and cleanly rather than dragging things on for months

    • MarthaB. says:

      Honestly, I don’t think moving to England would end that – they lived in London when they were making movies, up to half of the year when Brad was making WWZ. They are rich people and they can afford to live both in London and US, like many people do. That narrative that he didn’t fit into her political agenda so she wanted to be rid of him is again to make her cold and calculated person, which by all who met, worked and loved her (Johnny Miller, BBT, who still praise her as wonderful woman) is not true.

  41. siri says:

    I don’t know much about these two, but assume a lot of factors leading to this. Jolie wanted a big family, and Pitt seemed to be the ‘perfect’ guy for this, coming from a rather stable family himself. I guess they both tried hard to do it ‘right’, but there must have been a breaking point. I tend to think he’s the more ‘conservative’ parent, wanting a stable (school) environment for the kids, and probably started resisting the constant travelling and dragging along of them. Jolie, on the other hand, perhaps believes more in life as the biggest teacher, and doesn’t really value formal education that much. I could believe that to be a major point of disagreement between them. To that comes her involvement with the UN, which is time-consuming, but also took her to rather dangerous places. I also think her medical operations played a part in this. Maybe it proved all too much for him. I don’t know how much peace of mind these two had over the last couple of years. The two films she directed, that both weren’t overly successful… I don’t want to take sides here, because I believe they both became disillusioned somehow. I just hope they find a good solution for the sake of the kids.

    • Jellybean says:

      I think that is a fair summing up, although you do need to include the fact that she took the kids to potentially dangerous places too and, apparently, wanted to move the family to the UK. If you believe anything the sources are saying these seem to have been major issues too. It annoys me that some people are focusing totally on the drinking as a cause, when I think it is far more likely to be a symptom of a gradually deteriorating situation. I have faith that child services will be able to pick it all apart; if Pitt is regularly getting drunk and being aggressive around the kids then I am sure he will lose custody. If it was a one off caused by the stress of the marriage then the divorce should solve the problem and he will share custody.

      • siri says:

        Yes, she also took some of the kids to those dangerous places, and I agree with the idea of a gradually detoriating situation. I remember seing pictures if him sitting outside at some diner with a couple of his kids, very normal, very quiet, very ‘sorted’. I don’t know why, but I always thought he wanted family to be like this, all on one table, together, doing the ‘average’ things families do. With Jolie, I felt she’s more restless, always kind of ‘on the jump’, looking for new challenges. I really believe their ideas about family life clashed at some point. It’s not impossible he started using alcohol/drugs again, but I don’t think for one moment that this is the reason for this split. Add to that the puberty Maddoxx is in, where he needs a stable environment more than ever, and you get an explosive situation. Jolie also probably has a tendency to idolize people and/or situations, whereas Pitt seems to have his feet firmly on the ground (at least since he got involved with her). He probably would be the one trying to talk things over quietly, while her reactions are rather abrupt. Basically, it’s all just sad, isn’t it?

  42. kanyekardashian says:

    I admire Angie putting her kids above a man. So many women with shitty priorities would put a man first. She should be applauded for this.

    • Soror Bro says:

      Most women wouldn’t have the options that Ange has after leaving her man. It’s not like she’s leaving him for a life of loneliness and financial insecurity.

  43. Kath says:

    It’s funny, I was never a Brangelina fan, but I always liked Angelina more than Brad, who has repeatedly shown himself to be a selfish, self-regarding twat.

    By any measure, Brad Pitt has lead a charmed life and has been flattered and pandered to since he was in his 20s. Yet he thinks it is a good idea to get wasted in front of his 6 kids, in a confined space, and then to have an explosive argument with his wife (again, in front of the kids, in a confined space) – leading to an escalation.

    But reading the comments on any site but this one, it is all about how ‘evil’ and ‘calculated’ Angelina is. Really?? She’s not the one in the story who has shown appalling judgment or may (or may not) be under investigation for being abusive to a child.

    It depresses the hell out of me how deeply ingrained the misogyny in our culture is.

  44. Lala says:

    I’d like to order a large Brangelina Split with extra banana, extra raspberry, extra pretzels and green tea ice cream please. To go.

  45. Natale says:

    This is by far the most intelligent thread I’ve happened across regarding the discussion about the Jolie-Pitt split. I have recently followed along more with the UNCHR events and now have a greater respect and admiration for Angelina.

    In terms of the Pitt-Jolie dust up and bust up, aside from the incident involving Maddox, I couldn’t help but ruminate on the idea that Brad is opening a luxury resort in Croatia and went to visit the site whereas Angelina was in Jordan at a Syrian refugee camp before this breakup.

    Nothing wrong with developing a resort per se, but it does seem that their paths have diverged in important ways maybe including some values — and perhaps, Angelina has outgrown Brad.

    I hope Brad is at long last, able to find that missing sensitivity chip. I have a high regard for Angelina and admire the distance she has come in her personal development.

    May they both find peace and prevail as exemplary examples for their children.