As I mentioned in the previous Kim Kardashian post earlier today, there are about 20 million stories about and around Kim in the wake of her assault and robbery in the early hours of Monday, October 3rd in Paris. TMZ ran an extensive account of what happened from Kim’s perspective – you can read the piece here. She was in bed, wearing only a robe, when she heard “boots pounding up the stairs of her 2 story apartment.” She saw at least two men and she grabbed her phone and was starting to dial her trusted guard Pascal, who was protecting Kourtney and Kendall at a nightclub. Before she could get through to Pascal, the armed men took her phone away and handcuffed her with plastic zip-tie cuffs:
They zip tied her hands with plastic handcuffs and duct taped her to make it more secure. We’re told one of the men grabbed her by the ankles … Kim told cops at that point she believed she was about to be raped. The robbers duct taped her ankles, picked her up and put her in the bathtub. She then started screaming … begging them not to kill her because she had babies. She went on to say she had money and they could take whatever they wanted.
Kim told cops the robbers did not know English and only spoke French. The only thing she understood … the men kept saying, “ring, ring.” Kim knew what they were after — the new ring she got from Kanye. She told them where it was in the apartment, but that was not the end. Kim continued to beg and cry, and at that point the robbers duct taped her mouth shut.
We’re told a friend of Kim’s — Simone — was also in the apartment … sleeping in the downstairs bedroom. Simone heard the commotion and locked herself in the bathroom and called Pascal, the bodyguard, and Kourtney … telling them to hurry back because something was terribly wrong.
Pascal got back to the apartment 2 minutes after the robbers left. The entire incident took around 6 minutes.
People Magazine had many of the same details, and an insider said that Kim “was hysterical but not screaming as she knew she had to keep quiet to survive. The reports of her fear of being raped are real. She really did think she was going to be raped. She had a gun to her head the whole time.” When the robbers left, Kim wriggled out of the zip-ties and got onto the balcony, where she screamed for help. This Simone person – Simone Harouche – was apparently still barricaded in a room on the first floor. People also notes that Kanye is “furious” and feels like Kim was “terrorized, brutalized and manhandled.” I agree – it’s not the loss of Kim’s stuff, but the way they touched her and assaulted her. She probably won’t feel safe for a while.
Meanwhile, French police sources and Kardashian insiders are in agreement about one thing: there’s a whiff of insider knowledge to this crime. Some have theorized that someone on Kim’s team sold her out to armed thugs, but Team Kardashian and the French police seem to believe that the insider was probably within the Hotel de Pourtalès, either an employee or a guest. There were just too many coincidences for the timing of the armed assault, and the robbers managed to strike during the “very small window” where there was easy access. The French police are reportedly looking closely at everyone involved with the hotel/apartment building.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
Wasn’t it reported yesterday that concierge opened the door for the robbers?
This definitely sounds like an inside job. It seems like the hotel staff would have seen who was coming and going, as well as who was staying in which room and where the jewelry was kept.
i would too if someone held a gun in my face.
Considering the high-end level of the hotel, Kim wouldn’t be the only guest who is vulnerable while staying there. I think that body-guards protect celebs in the public. I didn’t they they stood outside your 6 star hotel room while you were sleeping unless you’re a head of state?
Sadly, this could happen to anyone.
No one deserves this however she might think twice about flashing her jewellery all over social media, we get it you are fabulous and rich people can enjoy their wealth but don’t flash it around very tacky though that is the definition of a kardashian
Nice victim-blaming, Porsha.
I can’t help but agree with you.I’m not trying to victim blame, but it’s crazy to me that she shows off all of her expensive jewelry on social media. Also kind of crazy that she wears the REAL jewelry and doesn’t have fakes made like Elizabeth Taylor used to do. She must pay a fortune in insurance for her jewelry.
Its true, she shouldn’t even be allowed to own nice things, let alone show them off. The nerve.
Okay, ALL WOMEN LISTEN UP hide your jewelry, in fact don’t own nice things at all or itsomething your fault when you get robbed.
*insert huge eye roll*
Ummm no, the only thing wrong was the people who attacked aND robbed her.
Here’s the deal with this. I don’t think it’s victim blaming to say hey it’s probably not a good idea as a high profile celeb to constantly be showing off your jewelry, other high price items on social media AND also letting the world know about your location at the same time. It’s not a smart move. It makes you a target. Whether you like it or not. There are criminals out there that look for exactly that. Anyone in law enforcement would agree. Would you leave your house unlocked with the mentality- well theives shouldn’t steal! So why should I lock my doors? No of course not. Just like they tell everyday people not to make a post on FB about away going on vacation – because it may make your house a target. In everyday life we usually take measures to make sure we aren’t victims. There is nothing wrong with making sure we do what we can to protect ourselves. It’s also not saying she can’t have nice things because of course she can. Or that she’s not a victim because she got robbed. She still is. But it would also be a bit naive to assume Kim wasn’t targeted because of her social media presence. Also to the ladies above how did you jump from all of a sudden she can’t have nice things, or wear her jewelry because others don’t think she should always be flaunting it on social media? That’s reaching. Many people who shut others down with the “victim blaming” mentality usually have this thought process “well the world should be a certain way! so these things shouldn’t happen. And I should be able to do what I please!” Well the issue with that is it’s not. You can wish it all day long, but that doesn’t change anything. So I’m going to be realistic and protect myself until we get to a point where maybe one day it is. Protecting myself also doesn’t mean I’m not also working to change things either.
Would you guys post all over social media when you’re out of town and your home is empty? What if you left your door unlocked and someone came in and stole something? The robber will always be the person who is directly culpable, but we also have some responsibility to not make ourselves easy targets.
Safety means also having common sense. It isn’t just that KK shows stuff off on social media, she broadcasts her wherabouts, her daily habits, where she stays.
If I left my house unlocked, posted on every social media platform I had that I was away for a month, and had many valuables strewn about on my floor, it still wouldn’t be my fault.
It might not be the best strategy, and definitely not the smartest, but in the end it is the people who committed the crime who are at fault, no amount of but buting changes that.
But you are literally jumping and saying she shouldn’t own nice things (yes I know it was stated w/sarcasm) because how dare anyone say hey be smart about what you’re doing. Yes she’s a victim. But it doesn’t change the idea of protecting yourself either. Because the minute someone says hey use common sense- maybe you shouldnt do this- you get VICTIM BLAMING!!! There are many times -notice didn’t say all the time- we have unknowingly caused ourselves to become a victim. Don’t like? Sorry. But It’s reality.
@Tifygodess24. Sorry, below you blame Kourtney, so what did social media have to do with it?
It’s not victim blaming to say that you should be careful when flashing expensive jewelry, especially when traveling. You should probably not wear expensive jewelry then go on social media showing it off and saying where you are and where you’re going. That just seems basic security to me. Of course she didn’t deserve what happened to her, I figured that went without saying.
I’m sorry I’m confused…I didn’t mention Kourtney anywhere? I also didn’t comment below?
Well SunnyD, have you ever actually *thought* about what you’re saying, regarding not having “nice” jewelry? I know you’re using hyperbole, but really, what does it benefit us to own such ostentatious jewelry? It’s empty and selfish (you’re not thinking of the people who are enslaved to get those stones and minerals), a lot of puffed-up entitlement for what are essentially ROCKS. Get your hair done instead, nobody is trying to rob you of hair, and donate the rest of the money — or spend it on something that doesn’t perpetuate the gross cycle of conspicuous consumption.
@Tifygodess24. My sincere apologies. I mixed you up with Tiffany27. Completely my bad.
@original it’s all good! I thought I was losing it for a minute that I actually went down the comments to check! Haha!!
There is not a perfect victim.
That’s all fine and dandy that the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the criminals who perpetrate crimes, but that’s cold comfort compared to taking a few common sense precautions that could keep it from happening in the first place. Cause you know what? I’d rather be safe and have my stuff.
Great post @Tifygodess24
You said it all.
@Tifygodess
You can justify the gradations to yourself however you like, but it’s still victim blaming. It is still telling someone, you deserve it, because you should have behaved in a different way.
They say its common sense for a woman not to drink too much around men. Common sense not to walk home alone at night. Common sense not to dress a certain way. ‘Common sense’ seems to be the battle cry of people who want to wash away empathy and feel morally superior.
Where does personal responsibility start, though? Because I’d far rather accept responsibility for keeping myself safe and keep my own stuff. It may be thieves’ decision to steal, but we can also choose not to make it easier for them. I choose to go for a run with other people when I go in the dark. I lock my home and set the alarm when I’m staying alone. I don’t post on social media when I’m on vacation. Because you know why? I’d rather be safe than right.
The reality is, there’s a lot that Kim could have done to prevent this crime, and that’s probably going to haunt her for a long, long time. I don’t envy her that.
She was being responsible. She was in her room, with her jewels away. If she forgot them somewhere that would be irresponsible.
You are allowed to do whatever you want to lower your risk. In fact, it is smart to take precautions and lower your risk. The slippery slope of victim blaming begins when you start judging others for not conforming to your idea of ‘safe and responsible’.
She was doing nothing illegal, and she was the victim of a horrible crime.
Putting the responsibility of your self protection – whether is it your million dollar jewelry and social media posts, or drinking too much and being in a frat house – is a grave thing. OF course, you SHOULD have the right to do either and not have to worry or deal with someone committing a crime against you. This is why these are called crimes. The excellent point above about locking your home – you shouldn’t have to, but would you ever leave it unlocked after you left? Idealism should not overshadow pragmatism in reality, and let’s not be disingenuous or naïve about vulnerability – never trust that others see your protection and safety as important as you do.
detritus- I love your comments and this one nailed it:
You are allowed to do whatever you want to lower your risk. In fact, it is smart to take precautions and lower your risk. The slippery slope of victim blaming begins when you start judging others for not conforming to your idea of ‘safe and responsible’.
@Tifygoddess24-excellent comment-I agree 100%.
I don’t think that this is really about victim blaming, as much as being targeted for a crime. My friend lives in Florida and says that you could be outside taking snapshots and you would be targeted if you had fancy camera equipment, or were wearing expensive looking jewelry, etc.. You would be followed home noting your routine then targeted for a break-in when you are on a scheduled routine to be out.
She said this; as having had her home broken into, possessions stolen, all while she was out during daylight hours.
My question is How do you wiggle out of zip ties?
The circumstances seem a bit confused. But it sounds a horrible experience. I don’t get why the friend phoned the bodyguard rather than the police emergency number though.
That is terrifying. I would have the same fear as Kim is a group of men broke into my apartment in the middle of the night.
You believe this story?
I do. Call me naive, but I think this isn’t the kind of story you can fake. Especially after the Ryan Lochte debacle.
I feel AWFUL for even doubting this for a second so no need to even lecture me, I KNOW… but it’s a Kardashian… some part of me won’t even put this past them for publicity reasons. I feel physically ill even thinking that though…
I completely agree with you Lisa, I do think that something happened but another small part of me is side eyeing some of the information that’s been put out.
Is TMZ reporting this correctly, in sequence? -~. “They zip tied her hands with plastic handcuffs and duct taped her to make it more secure. We’re told one of the men grabbed her by the ankles … Kim told cops at that point she believed she was about to be raped. The robbers duct taped her ankles, picked her up and put her in the bathtub. She then started screaming … ” Other reports state her mouth was duct-taped before her ankles. If this is so, how was she able to scream and beg for her life? Does anyone know if her hands were tied in front or behind her? If they were in front, I can see that she’d be able to remove the duct tape from her mouth and ankles (I’ve read that she freed herself), but if not…? Am I missing something?
AnnaKist- yes, the thing you are missing is thinking TMZ will have accurate details. Who cares if her hands were front or back?! She was tied up & robbed- don’t try to dig through the pieces of poop at TMZ for gold nuggets. smh.
I would too.
If you have ever been manhandled by a strange man or men, well I wouldn’t be surprised if any woman was scared of that. Hell, I’m scared of that when I’m in an elevator with someone who is acting slightly off, let alone tied up in a bathtub half nude.
I’m with you. This is horrific. It seems like the kind of incident that would affect you for a long, long time.
The most suspect person is the body guard. I am guessing he was somehow involved in this.
Why? He was assigned to be with Kendall and Kourtney at the club. How would he get the robbers in? It had to be someone at the hotel.
This is absolutely terrifying. Being robbed at gunpoint is scary enough, but adding the thought of being raped makes it even worse. Every woman’s nightmare. And it sickens me that i saw many people making fun of her for feeling this way and even bringing up her past to invalidate what had happened. There’s no way someone inside – security, hotel, whatever – wasn’t involved. It was too perfectly timed to be a coincidence.
wouldn’t every woman fear being raped in that situation? I know I would.
Concerns about rape are part of daily life for women. A strange man on the street is enough to be cautious. An armed home invasion is our collective worst fear, isn’t it?
Exactly. Armed men bust in your apartment and the thought that they might try to rape you is just there.
We know kim and the klan lie. All the time. More often than the truth.
This is starting to feel real to me, though. This isn’t their brand of publicity stunt.
I hope she gets some help for the trauma, and maybe stay inside for a while. For everyone’s sake. I wish snark on the Kardassians, never something like this.
Starting to? I have no idea why people would think somebody would make something like this up? They may be empty useless vessels as far as celebrity go but they are people!
I’m really horrified by how so many people on this website decided it was a publicity stunt or the like. Contrast that to the way people respond to allegations of abuse by a spouse. What is the difference? Why is it OK to say you think she made it up and that she wants attention?
I am no Kim fan but I feel a lot of sympathy for her right now … because I am also a person with some sort of heart,
Give me a break. Of course they would make this up. Are they still taping the show?
I am heartless and I think it’s a stunt. They will do anything for publicity.
It’s the boy who cried wolf syndrome. They lie about so much that when they are telling the truth you’re going to have people who side-eye it. Personally, i think she’s telling the truth. Kardashians lie about things all the time, but they don’t lie about THIS kind of stuff. If Kim lied about this she would be facing jail time.
@spugzbunny: “I have no idea why people would think somebody would make something like this up?”
People do make up all sorts of things, though. There was a famous case here in Australia in the 90s concerning a singer named Fairlie Arrow, and she’s not the only one. Currently, a case is before the Victorian courts regarding a young woman named Belle Gibson, who claimed to have cured her terminal brain cancer by eating only whole foods. She had a book published and duped many people out of a lot of money. Worse still, she’s cast a shadow on anyone who now decides to speak about their own cancer diagnosis. Just ask my daughter. Sorry, but I also have suspicions about this story.
For the past at least 6 years, every single word out of a Kardashian mouth has been a lie. Every. Single. Word. They lie on TV, social media and in print media. Nothing is sacred to this coven, yet they think everyone believes everything they so slyly say.
For the record, I believe this happened, and she truly has my sympathy. I would never wish this level of fear/trauma on anyone. It must have been an utterly terrifying experience that will probably traumatize her for years.
I want to play poker with a lot of commenters here. I saw someone get 4 aces once but I don’t play my hands thinking I will get that or that other people have that. Odds….once upon a time someone made up a story & then the media reported it and then people brought it up every time something like that happened & so now we can’t believe people?! Nope- more victims are telling the truth then lying, by a long shot. And if you want people to believe that most cancer patients do have cancer, then quit talking about the one weirdo who didn’t! And that one weirdo who lied about having cancer isn’t going to make me go to a chemo session and start questioning the people there. I will still trust that almost all cancer patients have cancer and I will always assume that someone does.
It turns out that this IS something the klan would do … only it was Kim and Kourtney/Khloe planning to do something to Kylie only not as dramatic. Just something to scare the sh!t out of her.
I’m sick of this chick. I believe the “robbery” was a set up to gain publicity for their failing TV show.
Go away!
I do too.
+1
Or at least grossly exaggerated
If you have ever watched the show, these girls believe in karma. I totally believe they set up scenarios to try to make this lame show have some interest…..but to make up a story about fearing for your life, being tied up and fearing rape and having millions of dollars of personal belongings stolen is something even she wouldn’t make up. Her life is such a drama, she doesn’t have to make up horror stories. I think she was foolish to be alone, shouldn’t post her every minute online, but as much as I’m not a fan, I know this is not fiction, sadly it’s true.
Exactly. I’m actually embarrassed by the people who shout “victim-blaming” in every other post, but do the same thing here. All because they don’t like her.
Nate Parker should recruit these people.
A victim is a victim is a victim. Sometimes victims of crimes are people we don’t like. Sometimes victims of crimes are fame whores. Sometimes victims of crimes are really annoying people. Sometimes victims of crimes have a sex tape. It doesn’t matter. If you are against victim blaming, then you need to be against it even when the victim of a crime is someone you don’t like.
She wasn’t alone exactly, since someone was downstairs. Sounds like it’s a two-story apartment., unless it was a separate apartment. If it is a two-story, they knew exactly where Kim was. The other person did exactly the right thing, locked herself in a bathroom and contacted the bodyguard who could then take it from there.
Is it unusual to have such pricey jewels in the apartment? Would that be why she was particularly targeted, it would be an unusually large haul for a very brief raid? I don’t own any jewelry so I don’t know what people usually do with it. She had not only a few million dollars worth of her own stuff, but a similar amount of loaners. I’m surprised the loaned jewelry wasn’t locked up as a requirement. Or was it actually locked in a safe in the apartment? It took them only six minutes, her new ring seemed to be the only thing they didn’t know the whereabouts of.
The details added here explain how she was able to get loose herself, they weren’t concerned about long-term restraints. They didn’t tape her mouth until toward the end, since they needed her to tell them about the ring. So they weren’t terribly concerned about noise.
+ 1000
What is wrong with you people? You need to get off the internet and interact with some real people so you can remember what feelings are.
Nah, I’m good. I use my head and think things through. I’m not going to just take someone’s word because feelings or heart or whatever. That’s how you get rooked and I’m not interested. Yes I am heartless and I’m better for it.
Doubting the robbery happened doesn’t make you a bad person. The Kardashians are known liars. You can’t condemn people for not believing it.
What’s wrong with you? No matter how much we dislike Kim’s persona, she is still a human being and she just went through a horrifying ordeal. It’s very ugly to be so dismissive of a person’s traumatic experience. Jeez.
It’s not about a dislike. I for example dislike Sarah Jessica Parker with passion of seven suns (Kim doesn’t even come close), but if she said this was her experience, I would not doubt her and would stand behind her in every way. But Kim’s MO is lying and she’s been desperate for news lately. I really think she’d stoop this low for publicity only.
+1001
Horrible. I hope she’s ok.
I do too.
I think something like this would sit with you a long time.
I hope she’s with Kanye and her babies healing now.
I know there was a ton of discussion yesterday about if this really happened or not, but jesus christ you guys. A woman is saying she was handcuffed and duct taped and thought she was going to be raped. She is arguably one of the most famous people on the planet. She has no reason to make this story up. I feel awful for her and can’t even begin to comprehend how scared she must have been.
+100 to every part of your comment.
A little compassion, ladies and gents. Kim and the Klan can be irritating, but I’d wish something like this on no-one.
Not caring about this doesn’t mean you wished it on her or anyone.
I really want to believe her, because I feel terrible dismissing the story, but I have a real problem with the logic gaps. She was zip tied and tape tied but released herself in the scant minute between the robbers’ departure and her bodyguard’s arrival? And they couldn’t speak any English yet tied up, terrified Kim somehow told them where to find the ring and they understood? In what language?
If she and the rest of the klan hadn’t performed so many stunts – fake infertility problems, the whole Lamar “we are taking care of him” drama when he overdosed, the new baby show with Robert etc. etc. it would be a lot easier to swallow. No concierge in a high end building, whether hotel or rental apartment, will wave in a team of five! men upstairs even dressed as cops without calling and checking first. And if they tried to rush past the hotel security team would get into high alert. Never mind opening the suite door with guests inside!
And the whole – everyone called one another as opposed to the police first thing is weird.
I am certainly glad she is ok, and that no one got hurt in the process. But I am also certainly not convinced that it wasn’t a stunt.
Of course you’re certain that the problem with this story is Kim.
You don’t believe the problem here is incomplete and sensational reporting by tabloids? That part is gospel?
Vauvert: I agree on all your points on logic gaps.
I wonder if theKUWTK cameras were rolling on any aspects of the invasion/assault? (The descriptor of boots pounding up the stairs seems to be an early lead-in). Also I’m guessing Simone started recording so there will be recordings.
Time will tell.
I believe they found the concierge tied up and put in a closet. he didnt wave them in-they overwhelmed him and tied him up too.
Obviously part of the “logic gaps” could be due to the tabloids. But have you ever been through a traumatic experience like being robbed at gunpoint? Victims tend to not be the most reliable witnesses and timeframes can get distorted because your brain is functioning differently when under extreme duress.
The Original G- thank you!!!! People start quoting TMZ or crap like that as if it has accurate info and that should disprove what she said happened?!?! Wow.
Exaggerating stories to increase moral damage and get a higher compensation is done all the time. It’s a common practice often endorsed by your lawyer. As long as they can’t prove you’re lying, there’s no reason not to do it.
I believe her, but I wouldn’t exactly be shocked if parts of her story ended up being lies. And just fyi – I don’t even hate Kim. It’s her husband who I can’t stand.
Yes, with Kim there is definitely the possibility of embellishment for effect. She lies so easily. But it also could be true – she might have been too shocked to lie! Really. It happens… She also might be reluctant to lie to police because of legal consequences.
I heard Melissa Ethetidge on Andy Cohen radio saying that she and other of Brads close friends haven’t seen him for the duration of the Angie relationship. She and Andy also commented on the Laura Dern debacle. It seems there is some validity to the stories about Angelina’s controlling ways, but clearly she has a lot more positive things going on. I was so tickled seeing her stop with Shilo and buy the giant Teddy bear at the yard sale. She was lovely.
Sorry, I just don’t believe the story we are being fed.
I think this family lies about everything.
Some people are so committed in their hatred. It is quite something.
+ a million.
same. It’s depressing
*sigh*
Between this and the Nate Parker…I don’t even have a word for him. Fiasco? Tsunami of shit? Anyways, we’re just getting reminded of how awful the world is, especially for women. Money, status…they don’t protect you from the fear of rape. I’m not a K-Klan fan, but I’m sympathetic to any woman who feels her life or her body is at risk. Hopefully Kim will hit up her therapist on this one, and does whatever it takes for her to feel safe. Also, hopefully Kanye won’t leave her side for a while-I know I would want my husband, security detail or not.
STOP IT.
This is NOT part of her reality TV show, this REALLY HAPPENED.
If you cut her, she bleeds, and if masked men break into her apartment and stick a gun in her face, she will react like any other human because she assumed she was about to be RAPED or KILLED. It is traumatic.
NO ONE in her social media happy family has uttered a word in over 24 hours. This is real and it’s a trauma.
Please, compassion people. I can’t imagine going through this. She is human and didn’t deserve this. No one does. She DOES deserve our empathy, not condemnation.
Lordy….
Are you sure about that?
No but it sounds good when chastising us awful people for our heartlessness!
Full heartedly agree with you. Public response has been disgusting.
I also think it was an inside job, but part of me really feels like it was Kourtney. No, I have no receipts, just a gut feeling.
You’ve got to be kidding. Kourtney did it.
wtf??
You really believe Kim would LIE to the French police for ratings??? She doesn’t need this sh*t. She deals in made -up drama. Not the threat of rape.
I expect more from the women and men on this site.
That’s not what I said? I believe it did happen to her and I believe her sister took some part in it. IMO Kourtney has always had a passive aggressive hatred for her sister.
Oooh why?
Ooooh hadn’t thought about it that way. You think she’s jealous and planned it too?
I literally laughed out loud at tiffany27’s theory that kourtney did it. I laughed and laughed and couldn’t stop. Your not serious right?
I am just so happy that she did not get assaulted any further – seriously. Thank Goodness.
This is totally an inside job. The perpetrators are obviously professionals at their craft. Poor Kim will never feel secure again. She is going to have nightmares for months.
With the constant drama surrounding the Kardashians, I guess I can understand why a lot of people are skeptical about this. But at the same time…isn’t “they just want attention” the same line that Cosby’s supporters used to dismiss the allegations of his victims? When someone claims that they were raped, or even threatened with rape, she (or he) deserves to be believed first and foremost. If it comes out later that she was lying, she can face the legal consequences for that, but when people immediately dismiss her claim based solely on who she is, that just feeds into the belief of many survivors that they shouldn’t even bother reporting their rape because they’re not a “perfect victim.”
I strongly disagree with you comparing this to Cosby’s victims. This isn’t in the same universe as those women.
Can you explain why? I’m not trying to pick a fight here, I’m very much open to being educated if/when I’m wrong about something like this.
It’s interesting to me how so many women/posters rightly get upset at women not being believed with their allegations in a majority of pieces here.
Yet, somehow, a fellow woman seemingly goes through one of the most frightening things in her life – regardless of how disdainful she is, how thirsty she is, how much she splays on tv- and so many of y’all refuse to believe her? WOW. Victim blaming at its best. We don’t NEED to know all of the facts! She said it happened and I refuse to think anything else until that information is put out there.
I also don’t think she’s as despicable as most claim her to be. I will never understand why people automatically lack empathy the minute they realize someone has money as though that is some magic cure-all that will save you from pain, bad luck, trauma, violence, sickness, etc. It really is very telling about the people who are so quick to judge others but wouldn’t live up to the same standards themselves.
You’ve summed up what I’ve been thinking.
There’s a difference between lying about the work you’ve gotten done, or having a sham marriage and having the place you’re staying broken into, yourself tied up, and millions worth of jewelry stolen from you. It’s not even comparable.
People are so set in their hatred of certain celebrities whether it be Kim, or Taylor, or Amber Heard, or whoever – that they refuse to see anything that doesn’t mesh with the narrative they have in their head. They somehow take real human beings and only accept them as a one dimensional caricature.
I felt sorry for her …it must have been terrifying …
Man. So, I’ve been assaulted a few times. Changed my mind with a guy once and was threatened with a knife until I changed it back again. So I can tell you, as I’m sure a lot of other women and men on this thread can, that even when there is nothing to be gained by lying and nothing in your character to indicate you are a liar, people will roll their eyes and make excuses for the people who hurt you. She’s doing this for attention. She’s exaggerating. There’s no way she could have done this or that because it doesn’t sound likely to me, someone who wasn’t there and doesn’t know how strong or how capable she is. I’ve heard it all before and so have you. Kim’s no virgin. Well, I’m no virgin. Hell, I’d be surprised if there were any virgins on this site. And none of us deserve to be tied up and threatened. And none of us deserve to be robbed, of our things or of our peace of mind, at home, in our beds. By armed men.
Abusive men choose victims who wont be believed. If you want to feed into their abuse and perpetuate her victimization, if you can’t suspend your hatred of this woman who has done you no wrong, then don’t be surprised when it’s your turn not to be believed. I don’t wish it on anyone, this revictimization. Its a damn lonely feeling.
You have doubts about her story? You haven’t heard her story. She hasn’t told you. you’re not her friend or her family. The police are telling us they believe her. They’re telling us that they think a real crime happened and that someone in the hotel or on her staff betrayed her. Can you imagine how that would feel? To know that someone in your circle, a trusted employee or friend sold you out, risked your life, and put you in the hands of violent, abusive men? You have doubts? You have prejudices against this woman? Fine. You want to post them as accusations for her to find and read and cry over? Shame on you.
Well said NEO
+1
Beautifully put.
@Neo I’m sorry those things happened to you. It must have been really scary but you’re projecting. Abusive men choose victims who won’t be believed is true but that isn’t what happened. Kardashian was chosen because criminals knew where she was and what she had.
Can’t it be both? I think they knew the public pressure would be on her to prove her innocence, not on the police to find her assailants.
This.
So it’s a 2 floor apt with more than 1 bedroom but her children were staying at a completely different location? What’s going on there? And how do you wiggle out of zip ties? Not saying this didn’t happen, just saying it’s all a bit strange.
There is a new video online you can google. The guy, I think he’s ex-army, shows you how to get out of zip-tie handcuffs and duct tape handcuffs. It’s a short video, worth watching. I was also told by a cop to keep my truck keys under my pillow, to set off the truck alarm in case of an intruder. It will either scare them off, or alert neighbours. Your keys should work approx 100 feet from the vehicle. I live alone, and I have been sleeping with my keys ever since.
I think the kids were in LA. That part seemed off to me too, but I read somewhere that they were in LA with Kris.
I’ve seen tips on how to wiggle out of zip ties just by watching tv shows. It wouldn’t surprise me at all that someone who has security guards on staff would have heard such tips. I’d think her security people might think teaching her a few survival tips like that was part of the job.
I think the kids were in California. No sign of the little props in Paris.
I can’t feel sorry for her the way she wants me to.
That says a hell of a lot more about YOU than it ever will about her. That’s the kind of person you are: Literally incapable of degrees of empathy based on biases you hold against her– a person who has never done anything to personally effect your life that you couldn’t avoid, by the way. a person who is pretty meaningless in the sense of the potential danger their deeds have on the masses– for insignificant reasons. Feeling sorry for someone literally costs you nothing.
I would too. She was half dressed, men had guns. I believe she was scared to death they would hurt her.
I also think this was an inside job.
Plus, flame me if you want, but while I’m full of sympathy for her right now, if she starts playing this for publicity and attention , I will loose some of that sympathy.
While the show thrives on manufactured drama, I still believe what happened was real. Kim and anyone else taking part in a fake incident of this nature would be facing legal problems once it was discovered a hoax. She is a lot of things, but I have never pegged her for being a loon.
Is it not telling that NO ONE in her family has posted anything on social medial since this happened?? Her family that can’t go an hour without posting SOMETHING? The family who posted even right after Khloe’s husband OD’d?
This is real, and Kim is shaken, the family is shaken. I bet this will change how this family does things with their social media.
This was no joke. Poor woman.
Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Social media silence from them is money, fame and ego. Stopping means something big is going on. I agree that this is going to change the amount of info they share on social media.
This article shows that, unless you are a perfect victim, people will always try to poke holes in your story and would rather believe an elaborate conspiracy than a simple robbery story (very similar robberies like this have taken place in the area, btw).
+1- and since there isn’t any perfect victim……we are all kind of screwed.
Or the other way – if you make a habit of lying, people will always think you’re lying. I personally believe this happened, but I also look at this as a cautionary tale of the consequences of lying all the time.
Wondering if someone hacked her phone and that’s how they knew her bodyguard wasn’t around, or does she frequently stay alone at the apartment?
This is the first time I have felt sympathy for anyone in this family. Dammit, robbers! Look what you have done!
I cannot blame her for feeling she was going to be raped. I would have thought the same thing. I am sure there were many thoughts and fears going through her head at the time. I sincerely hope whomever is responsible for this is caught and justice served.
Poor Kim, I kinda just want to give her hug and tell her I’m glad she’s okay and at home win her babies. I’m not a Kim fan but that is so scary.
Yup.
I’m very saddened that people are trying to say it didn’t happen just because her bodyguards weren’t there. She clearly felt safe enough to allow them to go off and look out for her sisters. Its been an inside job by professional thieves – in that way she’s lucky as if it had been thugs then yeah it could have been worse, much worse for her. They have been watching her for sometime and made sure she was completely alone with they struck.
Am no Klan fan but she’s a strong woman and am sure will recover with the support from Kanye and her family.
I don’t know that it’s an inside job – there’s so much information out there, they could have been watching closely all week while she was in Paris. Just watch the apartment, see when the security is the thinnest. It’s probably a pattern that the security guard accompanies whomever goes out. They’d know what kind of jewelry she had with her because they see it on her when she goes out. As you said, they’re professional thieves.
my friend has a huge rock engagement ring. There are times that she doesn’t wear it depending on where we are in town. I feel really bad for KK and what she went through. I’m not a Kardashian fan, but I’m more so not a fan of violence. To say that advising her to maybe not flash around her millions of dollars worth of jewelry is victim blaming…. umm seems more like common sense to me.
Yeah my first fear was that something along the lines of rape or sexual assault could have happened to her. I cant believe how f–king cruel people are just because she is Kim Kardashian.
It was Rob, in the Library, with a candlestick.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t believe her. All that matter is that the police for their jobs and the criminals are punished. So many ugly, vicious comments here. I hope you don’t kid yourselves into believing you’re a good person after saying such awful things.
I’m not a good person and I’m ok with that. I also am not particularly concerned with your attempt at morality shaming because some people are approaching this with a large dose of skepticism. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but the value judgments on people with whom you disagree is unnecessar and it doesn’t make you look as saintly and wonderful as you believe.
It makes her look human. Something you don’t obviously care for. Maybe you should seek therapy bc most normal, balanced people don’t delight in being ok with being a bad person.
Sunny, there is a difference between lack of empathy, and logical skepticism.
Our value systems are obviously different, because I would prefer to believe a victim. If they are lying, then I am a fool. I’d prefer that to the opposite, and logically it’s the safe bet. The massive majority of victims do not lie.
You’ve mentioned being a bad person in more than one post, as if it’s a mark of pride, but it really isn’t. Being an asshole isn’t a talent, it’s the default human condition. You don’t get kudos for sinking to the most basic level and deciding to stay there.
Signed – a mostly reformed asshole
” You’ve mentioned being a bad person in more than one post, as if it’s a mark of pride, but it really isn’t. Being an asshole isn’t a talent, it’s the default human condition. You don’t get kudos for sinking to the most basic level and deciding to stay there.” This, but wait a minute…Sunny is a Thick-Skinned American Citizen who is always Just Being a Logical Realist, and he has Bravely expressed his beliefs on a variety of woman-related topics over the past several months here. His Right To His Opinion means you don’t get to criticize or express disapproval of any of what he says here, even if you refute it with a perfectly logical argument without name-calling and insults, because if you do that *He* is the one being treated unfairly, and something else about Tumblr or “Political Correctness” being the death of this country that a certain candidate might make great again. 😀
I know that if *I* just went through one of the most terrifying, life-threatening events ever, I’d certainly wake up the next morning, get into full hair, makeup, heels, and walk to the airport with my husband three steps behind me so the photographers could get their shot.
Some people laugh when something traumatic happens to them. Doesn’t make what’s happen to them any less legit or awful. Perhaps being her normal self is what she’s doing to cope.
She’s a famous, talentless person (not this doesn’t also apply to the talented ones too) who’s known for being wrapped up in her looks/being seen and who’s career/image/brand has a lot to do with capitalizing on all that. She’ll be getting a lot of attention right now, so she’s probably not going to be less concerned about appearances. There are even some everyday people who have to be all done-up at a loved one’s funeral (and some of them will even take it a step further and make sure their family members are all glammed up too) and jump through all types of ‘keeping up appearances” hoops with friends and family.
And leaning forward so they can get good pictures of her breasts. I wonder what made her come out of the black blanket she was in earlier? Oh yeah, pictures. Gotta make sure everyone knows it’s MEEEE!
Kanye stopped the show around 6:30 pm est but Kim wasn’t robbed till 2:30 am Paris time – that’s 2 hours after Kanye left the stage citing a family emergency…
Nope. You are not even close to right. He didn’t go on until after 830pm eastern time. Ended the show around 940 pm.
Don’t make things up to blow into some conspiracy theory.
I’m not making things up I looked at the time stamp of a couple people on Twitter who were there and tweeted when he left
Well, your ‘time stamp’ is wrong. You think Kanye would start a show at 530pm??
Look up the billboard article about the show for the CORRECT TIMES.
SMH
According to Billboard he stopped the show at 9:40 pm.
Some people laugh when something traumatic happens to them. Doesn’t make what’s happen to them any less legit or awful. Perhaps being her normal self is what she’s doing to cope.
The level of hatred directed toward is just mind-boggling.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/03/kim-kardashian-victim-blamed-following-paris-robbery-she-deserves-better.html
So I see she’s moved on to attempting to steal Kendall’s face now.
This is a horrible thing to happen to a person, I’m not going to debate that at all, but seriously, why did it have to happen to her of all people? Now we’ll have to hear about it for months and endure stories about her ordeal to anyone who’ll pay for them. Followed by stories on how it “changed her life”. I’m sorry someone had to go through this trauma but really, do you think Kim’s not looking at this as a silver lining situation? This is publicity, people. It’s what she lives for. It may have been genuine and awful and I feel as bad for her as I would anyone else who went through this, but man, she’s going to use the crap out of it.
Interesting question. The friend called the bodyguard and then stayed barricaded in the bathroom. Do you resent the friend for not coming out, when you were the one who was tied up and in terror?
I believed her from the first and I understand why so many were skeptical when there wasn’t as much information. But now? People are still doubting?
And yeah, just thinking about what she must have gone through gives me anxiety. Strange men with guns, invading what you thought was a safe space, manhandling you. Feeling vulnerable alone and scared. I wouldn’t wish that on any woman no matter how much I disliked her.
It’s really disturbing, that people think, it was all fake or that she deserved to be held at gun point. That woman doesn’t deserve that much hate, she is only famous for being famous.
I predict this will be the Last season for the show. Family is afraid now. This is like a warning shot to them. Kim will fear her kids will be targets next. They will stop over sharing. This will lead to them fading away. Cancelled show. Best thing that can happen to them now is they fade from the public and try to heal and find a way to feel safe again. Horrible, scary traumatic situation. This family will not recover from this.
One can only dream….. It would be so wonderful.
I believe her, and agree with the person upthread who said that an attention-seeking celebrity being willing to lie about their romantic/sexual relationships and work they’ve had done doesn’t mean they’d also lie about being victimized and threatened in a way that can easily be disproven, get them in legal trouble, and put them in real danger in the long run if it turns out not to be true.
Someone made a comment of how she didnt rush home to her children, the ones she begged the robbers to spare from being orphans, but to New York to chill.