Michael Moore still thinks Donald Trump is going to win the election. Moore has been saying this for months, that he thinks hordes of closeted Trump supporters are going to swarm the polling stations on Election Day and vote for Trump as a giant “f—k you” to “the system.” I am getting some serious anxiety about the tightening polls, although FiveThirtyEight still has Hillary Clinton’s chances above 85% for winning the election. Sigh… so let’s get into some of the political news that’s making its way through the nation today.
Trump is trying to “Jeb” Hillary Clinton. The idea of verb-ing “Jeb” is an interesting one. I define “to Jeb” as “to paint a political candidate as a wishy-washy, low-energy loser.” That’s what Trump did to Jeb Bush, and Trump has been trying to do that to Hillary for months. He’s reignited that old chestnut of a strategy this week because Hillary Clinton went to an Adele concert with some staffers the night before her (Hillary’s) birthday. The funny thing was that Trump was trying to say that Hillary shouldn’t take time off the campaign trail to go to a concert… while he himself took time off the campaign trail to open up his sad Washington DC hotel that no one wants to stay in. Here’s Trump saying that HRC is more low energy than Jeb Bush. “She goes to sleep all the time.”
Trump calls CNN’s Dana Bash “rude.” Like a unhinged misogynist, he bitched at a woman because she asked him a simple question.
The Wendy Williams clip. Donald and Ivanka appeared on the Wendy Williams Show in February 2013 and Wendy asked them what they had in common. Ivanka’s answer was simple: “Either real estate or golf.” Donald’s answer: “Well, I was going to say sex, but I can’t relate that to her.” WTF?
Khizr Khan is on the campaign trail. The Khans are the gold-star military family, they lost their son Humayun Khan in 2004 in Iraq. They are a Muslim-American family, and Khizr Khan made one of the most powerful speeches I’ve ever witnessed at this year’s DNC. Mr. Khan’s message is simple: Donald Trump doesn’t understand the Constitution and Trump is a bigot and a bully. Trump kept proving Mr. Khan right when Trump repeatedly attacked and mocked the Khan family. Last week, the Clinton campaign released this ad:
Yeah. All the tears. I cry every time I watch it. Mr. Khan has joined Hillary Clinton at some rallies and he’s been doing interviews this week too. He’s keeping his message very simple: don’t vote for Donald Trump. Well, Trump sat down for an ABC interview yesterday and he was asked if he feels he should apologize to the Khan family. Trump said he had (bigly) respect for the Khans but “If I were president at that time, Captain Khan would be alive today, George. Because I wouldn’t have been in Iraq.” Mr. Khan responded in a separate interview: “This is the most cruel thing you can say to grieving parents, that if I was there this would not have happened. There’s no sincerity in those remarks … This is one character that a leader must have to be the leader of a great country, to be the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the United States: empathy. And this person totally lacks that.”
#Trump repeats offensive claim Capt. Khan would be alive today if he had been president; citing the lie that he was against the war in Iraq. pic.twitter.com/Y77H36ZWda
— Correct The Record (@CorrectRecord) October 27, 2016
Also, this:
Trump says he'll teach military expert 'a couple of things' about Mosul. “Why can't they win first and talk later?” https://t.co/dJ3W33zgVw pic.twitter.com/zvHtFZITxN
— ABC News (@ABC) October 27, 2016
Photos courtesy of Getty.
I trust Nate. 538 is the one to watch.
I prefer Sam Wang. Far less bile inducing because there’s no movement, really.
I trust Nate. He builds polling error into his predictions, which is what Miachael Moore is referring to (the “elites” underestimating trump supporters). That being said, 16% chance of trump is too much for me. Everybody get out and vote!
I will cry and cry if this turns into another Dewey beats Truman kind of thing. I am definitely voting.
Oh god, I know. I was almost comfortable when he had it at 90/10, but now I’m flipping out again.
even with a Clinton win, those down ticket races are critical. McCain said he’d block votes on any of Clinton’s nominees then back tracked but others, like Ted Cruz & Joe Walsh (and Jason Chaffetz, I;m sure) are pledging to make sure the continue to block the ability to govern and fill a boatload of open posts in the judiciary and be a bigger roadblock to Clinton than they’ve been to Obama. Joe Walsh is so butthurt that he’s openly threatened to pick up his musket on 11/9 if Clinton wins. He also tweated a complain that the left “panders” to women whereas the right tells them the truth. Of course the truth to the GOP is that women are to be subservient to men and do as republican men say . . .
Didn’t take a chance. Voting is way too important this year so we did early voting.
Mr. Khan has the kind of decency President Obama has. Sincere, believable and inspiring. It makes you feel good to know there are people in the world like them.
Yes and yes. And I’d add that Khan and Obama also share the common trait of having Trump’s number.
I still can’t believe Trump is still claiming his son would be alive if he’d been in charge. I was flabbergasted the first time he said it, now I am just numb.
I have been worried about a scenario where people who never voted before (and therefore wouldn’t be included in “likely voter” polling groups) would swarm the election and give him a victory.
538 has some very comforting articles that “fact me” out of that line of thinking. Most importantly, voter registration hasn’t swelled among these groups.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/missing-white-voters-could-elect-trump-but-first-they-need-to-register/
This is where I’ve been for a while. I honestly think he’s going to pull ahead at the last minute and cannot accept him as POTUS. I sincerely wish that all of the rich people (like Gates, Buffet) would pull their money out of the US if he wins – I know it will hurt us too much but it would be such a good middle finger to those that voted for him. Let bozo figure it out.
I take comfort in Nate. Hopefully it’s not false comfort.
Trump says he’ll teach military expert ‘a couple of things’ about Mosul. “Why can’t they win first and talk later?”
In other words-shoot first, ask questions later. Because that very mature and sensible strategy has always worked so well.
He doesn’t even want to “shoot.” He wants to nuke. Then talk after he takes all the oil.
see, THIS is the thing that Hillary and other Trump opponents need to hammer home. (there’s a great ad about this with a former nuclear silo operator.)
Even if you can over look all of the racism, bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, etc…this is a man who asked why he can’t use nukes to fight a war. and has said he wants to “bomb the crap” out of people. a man, as has been said, who can baited with a tweet. a man who can be baited by an SNL skit mocking him.
this is a man who SHOULD NOT have access to nukes.
I’ve seen that very ad and hearing the nuclear operator talk about Trump having access sent chills down my spine.
I still don’t think this will deter his supporters though. I think they would see it as a good thing. “Nobody f*cks with America! USA! USA! USA!”
I think Hilary should get the rights to Lyndon Johnson’s “Daisy” commercial, leave Johnson’s voiceover intact, swap out only the language at the end about voting for Johnson with language about voting for her and run it constantly. Johnson won all states except for Goldwater’s home Arizona and 5 states in the Deep South and he only needed to air the thing once.
I’m not sure there is any ad that will sway the remaining Trump supporters. They are voting for him because they like what he says…including the hateful stuff that shocks the rest of us. Even if they wouldn’t dare say the things he says, they are applauding silently inside.
Only thing Trump may possibly teach is the art of the dodge: drafts, questions, balls…believe me…bigly dodging. There will be tremendous dodging.
For anyone who did not listen to Fresh Air yesterday, please go to the podcast. Teri interviewed David French, conservative political columnist for National Review. He told how he wrote about Ann Coulter’s outright appeals to White Nationalists. After that his twitter blew up with images of his adopted Ehiopian daughter being led to a gas chamber by a photoshopped donald trump, of her being pictured as a slave and other horrifying images. The twitter of his wife, a writer for WaPo, was inundated with images of African-American men being beaten and killed. It is still ongoing for them. The people harassing them are supporters of trump. They see in him an ally. Any semi-sane person who supports trump, knowing he has all the crazies, has my utter contempt.
There is a really telling side coming out of the Republican base that is frightening and disgusting, the alt-right side. Vile T-shirts about HIllary they are wearing at his rallies, waving the confederate flag, on and on.
@Jayna, yes. Sadly, this election seems to be highlighting extreme violence and hate ala Kristallnacht. i am college prof in West Texas and many young people are vocally pro-Trump. it boggles the mind that young people can be turned on by this hate vote—and these young people are not only white and male. i cannot fathom and have been trying to get discourse open and discover why…there is such anger in the conservative base, most is hatred for Hillary rather than love for Trump, but there is also support for the wall from second generation Latino/a students mixed with pro-business policy (one that rationally could be argued as Republican or Democrat–as we know well, neither party is anti-business or anti-corporate).
much is based on raw angry emotion and i think, subconscious hatred of women…there is a racist hangover from the Obama years. it is illogical, not based on fact or policy but a reflex of hatred. the U.S. is a settler state–built on racist principles from day one against Indigenous nations and African people—it’s the American DNA and it seems like every few steps away from that legacy is followed by waves of reassertion of white supremacy…
Just listened to a interview he did. Just horrifying how he and his family were targeted by those nut cases. I worry how the most extreme supporters of Trump will react if he loses the election.
I worry about that, too. The article in today’s New York Times about the extremist Trump supporters is very scary.
I have it in my queue to listen to on my run tomorrow.
Thanks!
(and then his supporters will whine about being labeled “deplorables”)
Or they claim it’s Hillary supporters doing it as false flag.
SusanneToo, I heard that too and while I was appalled, I comforted myself with the fact that those sickos really are in the minority and will likely slide back into the shadows when Trump loses. I hope.
Unless we have another Waco or Ruby Ridge or Oklahoma City or ….
Here is the transcript
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/26/499440089/harassed-on-twitter-people-need-to-know-the-reality-of-what-its-like-out-there
That is terrifying! Alt-righters somehow hacked into a call with his wife and her father and started shouting crazy things at them!?!? They can’t even figure out how that was done. That is off the charts insanity. Wow, scary times.
The recent This American Life on the creation of two sets of “facts” over the past 8 years was really interesting as well. I think it is titled “Seriously?”
I heard that. I couldn’t believe Ira’s uncle and his acceptance of the RW lies.
He is insane.
Yep, and he fears humiliation above all else. He is lashing out at the Khans because they publically humiliated him by (correctly) pointing out that he doesn’t understand the basic laws that govern this country.
Not only does Trump and the GOP deserve to be utterly annihilated at the polls, but all the republicans who have stuck with him all this time need booted out of Congress. The only real win here is if the Dems get control of both houses so our government can start working together again.
The congressional votes are just as important as the Presidential. We have a non-working government at the moment. If we end up with a GOP controlled Congress, they will block everything Clinton tries to get done the next 4 years, starting with refusing to seat the missing Supreme Court justice.
I totally agree Bonzo. The only responsible outcome of this election cycle is a complete trouncing of the GOP at all levels.
@Bonzo ITA from 2010 -2014, 109 votes were cast for Democrats in federal elections, while 98 million were cast for Republicans. Thanks to Ryan and Mcconnell’s scored earth policy, literally more than half of voters have no representation in Congress. It’s not only outrageous, it is deeply immoral and an affront to our democracy.
What does this LOSER have against preparation and sleep?
I know we shouldn’t blame the women but in this case I will blame Trump’s mother for giving the world this monster. I wish I had a time machine and tell the mother to abort and save the world..,
I swear, Trump makes the most idiotic insults against people. Like you said – preparation is bad? Sleep is bad?
Also he better beware. He keeps talking crap regarding HC’s health. He looks about 5 seconds away from collapsing. The man does not look healthy. At all!
Surely we believe that funky gastroenterologist who wrote that bigly letter about his health several months ago.
Seriously, I think this is more projection. He’s the one who appeared to wilt during the debates, and did not stay to interact with the audience.
I hope so, Tate.
Kaiser, I’m a nervous wreck. I just saw a highly unscientific fb poll that a friend made – most of her friends are in CA & FL – nearly everyone besides 5 of us said Trump. As in they’re voting for the lunatic. Aren’t people listening to him? Watching the debates? Keeping up with the news? Practically my entire family, & my husband’s too, are voting Trump. I feel sick….
A woman I went to high school with now lives in Florida and her Facebook page is becoming increasingly shrill about “evil Hillary” and the stuff she is posting is pure crap and other people, all Floridians, are adding to it. It is insane. Is there no reliable news sources in Florida to counter this garbage?
Don’t worry, I’m in Florida. I’m voting Hillary and a couple of neighbors have Hillary signs in their yard. Do not lose hope. But yeah, I know what you’re saying. My mom really shocked me, talking about how she hated Hillary and I know people at work who are pro-trump. But I think this people who are vocal Trump supporters will be out voted by quiet Hillary supporters. I don’t think a lot of professionals and/or non-whites professionals will vote Trump.
I’m in the Florida Panhandle – notoriously red because of all of our retired and active military and the ones who messed things up for Al Gore because we’re red AND Central Time Zone, which messed with the Florida results.
Anyway, I have seen more Hillary yard signs in our town than any other Dem candidate in the 25 years since I moved here. Yesterday a man was standing on a busy intersection with a “Honk for Hillary” sign, and it was non-stop honking. I was like, where am I? Dang! That’s not to say that it’s a majority, but people are certainly more comfortable being open with their support for Hillary than they have with other Dems in the past, here, anyway. Fingers crossed that also means there are more people who aren’t being as visible and vocal.
@Snowflake-This is what I suspect as well and I think we can apply this same rationale to all the Trump signs we see. I really do believe that Trump-supporters are just more vocal (proud ‘Muricans!) in their support and that’s why we see more signs.
I know a shit ton of people voting for HRC and only a couple of them have signs.
I and others said on an earlier thread that we don’t display Hillary signs on our cars or lawns because we fear vandalizing by the nutbaggers. Maybe that accounts for the disparity in visible support. Fingers crossed!!
I live in Florida, and Nate Silver has predicted we’ll go blue – not dark blue, but I’ll take any blue I can get. A lot of us hesitate to be visible in our support for HRC because of fear of retribution from the deplorables. I had to save too long for that new set of tires, and don’t care to have them slashed by some goofus who eats up the Trump and Fox News rhetoric.
On the other hand, the amount of support for Trump, ANY support for Trump, is terrifying. My older grandson is quite vocal about his support on his FB page and I always wonder how he doesn’t remember all those Saturdays we spent together when he was growing up, when I tried to show him kindness and empathy.
Maybe skip Christmas/the Holidays this year? It’s the worst when the family has opposing political views.
I don’t understand how women vote for him. Just based on his words about women turn me off and would never allow me to vote for him. I have several friends on FB that are voting Trump. In the end, I think more will come out for Hillary.
I live in Ohio and it saddens me people think Hilary is bill’s keeper. In their eyes what trump has done is a little bad but at least (and yes I heard this) “at least trump didn’t rape anybody unlike bill.”
I don’t know how to reason with anyone anymore.
Yeah with the exception of the 13-year-old he is accused of raping and the scores of women who have come forward to claim that Trump inappropriately touched them, he’s a real saint.
@Kitten. Don’t forget his rape of Ivana. And his ripping hair from her scalp.
@jennah, I don’t try and reason with them. It’s not worth it because they won’t change their minds – Hillary – bad, Trump – good. Also on my FB the other day was how the Democrats are behind all the voter fraud. It took my whole being not to state that there is most likely voter fraud on both sides.
My gut feeling tells me that Trump is going to win… Unfortunately People believe his words so easily and they don’t trust her. It sickens me to no end that misogony, bigotry and being an ahole in general is somehow more acceptable then being an ambitious woman.
i live in PA. i see more trump signs than my nerves can take. and trump supporters keep popping up in my extended circle. i dont care if people like or vote for hillary, but i cant vote for trump and i cant continue any sort of relationship with anyone who votes for trump. any vote for trump and pence is a vote for racism, homophobia and misogyny and life is too short for me to cosign any of that.
I’ve said this before but I hate that tangerine nightmare. And for once, that’s not hyperbole. How low can a human being go? How much of a sh*tbag do you have to be to talk the way he talks all day long? About everybody?
I don’t trust the polls or anyone who says they can predict the outcome of this horror. Nobody thought Trump would survive more than a few weeks and yet here we are. I also find these positive numbers (positive for Hillary supporter) dangerous because it makes people complacent. There is no room for that here. Don’t say she has an 85% chance of winning! People will stay on the sofa and eat chips.
This is proof that respectability politics will NEVER work. Minorities can give their lives for their country and still be looked at as less than. No one talks this way to Chris Kyle but somehow it’s okay to do so to the Khans? Deplorable indeed. Trump, his voters, his supporters. All of them disgust me.
+1000.
Amen.
“She goes to sleep all the time”. Wow. That is truly damning. I mean, every living thing including plants and bacteria has a 24-hour cycle of high and low activity where metabolic energy is used for healing in the downtime periods. But still. She sleeps. Clearly unfit for office.
He never mentions the fact that his own schedule is arranged so that he is always asleep in his own bed, every night.
And some don’t know he doesn’t allow the press on his plane..I can’t recall any other candidate doing this..I suspect this is to prevent them knowing he sleeps, or is perhaps medicated..certainly to avoid them hearing what he says about his less than perfect supporters
It sounds like the ravings of a speed freak.
I’m still waiting for those tax returns.
I mean, not everyone can be up tweeting at 3 a.m. Hillary has actual work to do during the day instead of incoherently repeating a few sentences punctuated with Believe Me!
He is so delusional.
Sleep is a GOOD thing for people making important decisions. But facts have no meaning to him.
I am incredibly anxious about this election. Every time I feel that Clinton has it in the bag and start to feel relief, I read about Trump’s poll numbers inching up. I know a Trump victory is a long shot, but I worry about what Michael Moore is saying, that closeted Trump supporters will come forward and vote. So many people I know (and had respected) have publicly campaigned for Trump. It’s so disheartening.
I am in a constant state of anxiety over this election too. What has been revealed about the American public is very disturbing.
I don’t even live in the US and it’s agony.
I’d like to know who’s gonna want to be seen at this new hotel of his? I live outside DC and was kinda curious when I saw the old Post Office being renovated. There’s no WAY! His brand is ruined, hopefully forever. I’ll be over at the new MGM.
“Trump is trying to “Jeb” Hillary Clinton.”
In many Slavic languages “Jeb” is a root of a vulgar swear verb meaning “to f-k”.
Just saying…..
I actually think there are only two possibilities. Hillary will win by a historic landslide (and we’re always going to wonder why we were so worried) or Trump will narrowly win because too many people pissed their vote away. I actually think Michael Moore isn’t wrong. People will not vote for Hillary because she’s so disliked and if enough people fo that everyone is screwed
I can see either scenario, too. I’m in a strong R area, and know a few lifelong R’s who say they cannot vote for him, but won’t vote for her (plan to stay home).
On a more positive note, my new neighbor (good ole boy type) amazed us this week by revealing he is 100 percent HC. He was very well informed (said he made a point to do that during the Bush years) and says he cannot understand how anyone — particularly women — could vote for DT.
My family lives in Texas, and my mom has told me that almost everyone she knows (friends, work colleagues, etc.) plan to vote for Trump. The scary thing is that the majority of these people are educated, church going people yet have no problem casting a vote for Trump. A lot of Republicans are either voting for him because of the Supreme Court nominations, abortion, etc. or they are not going to cast a vote for president at all. I am a proud Democrat and Hillary supporter, but even I was a Republican, I couldn’t fathom not voting for Hillary this election since Trump is the alternative. What universe are we living in that people actually believe that a Clinton presidency is more dangerous than a Trump one?
Kady, this sounds like my area of TN and the edge of VA. The Supreme Court impact keeps being mentioned, yet I (as a person of faith) do not feel it is my place to judge others’ decisions.
There are some highly judgmental people who loudly proclaim themselves Christian. And I suspect they will vote for him.
My hope is that these are the minority — just the loudest, so we assume there are more of them.
I’m also in Texas and I can tell you I know quite a few die hard Republicans who are voting for Hillary. They don’t like doing it but they know the alternative is way worse. So there is hope. I even talked my sister-in-law out of voting third party in CA and for Hillary. I tell myself it is a good thing people think this election is not locked up because it will get them to the polls and we need as many people voting as possible. Sadly I have a few family members, including my mother, who are insane Trump fans. It devastates me every time I think about it. The worst was the look on my teen son’s face when he saw my mom had a Trump yard sign in her garage. Granted she didn’t have it on the lawn but my son was so incredibly disappointed in her (as he should be).
We are quiet here in TX about our Hillary support, mostly out of fear for what the nut jobs will do. This is coming from people who proudly had Obama signs on the front lawn when we lived in CA. But we vote in every.single.election, have already voted early for this one and this is the first time I feel like our votes could really, really matter if she can take Texas.
I share Michael Moore’s fear but I can’t think the unthinkable. Too terrifying. So I’m just going to ponder whether Mr. Khan will run for office. Wouldn’t he be a candidate!
Interesting. He would be a great candidate. The ad was so simple, but so effective. I cried and was really moved by his question.
I really think he should turn that very justified righteous indignation into even more action. I would support him in a run for office.
I’m becoming truly afraid of this election and the possible results.
I’m an Aussie and I work as a preschool teacher. Everyday the children I work with tell me how they are terrified that Trump with become president. 3 to 5 year old children, in a country in another hemisphere, are scared at the prospect of this vile piece of orange scum being elected to office. I’m even having nightmares that he will win now, and that it will turn into WW3.
Maybe I am over reacting because of the media saturation of this election, because during our own elections here earlier this year, there wasn’t as much tension and fear about the results – sure we didn’t want certain pollies to gain power but Trump is on a whole new level.
I really want this nightmare to be over
I wonder if our collective fascination with the US election is that it distracts us from politics at home. Sure Barnaby Joyce sounded like he’d just had all the caffeine before starting a press conference today but at least he’s not Trump.
I try not to think too much about how we have a US military base here and how close we are to the people Trump is passing off, that way lies many a sleepless night.
I think you might be right, about the US election being a distraction from what’s going on here. There is only so much bullshit about the plebiscite and the horror going on in the detention centres before you want to put your head through a wall.
I’m trying to not let myself or my little ones dwell on the Trump crap, but sometimes it is so overwhelming since it is everywhere. I guess I needed somewhere to vent without being judged or being told I’m being an idiot lol.
Oh and what was with Joyce though? He certainly was extra…
I’m wondering if WW3 is going to start if Hillary wins. Putin held nuclear war drills for 40 million people this past month. If Trump wins, Putin has a puppet. If Hillary wins, he’ll attack thinking he can beat a woman.
Please don’t say that. That’s buying into Trump’s line of rhetoric. Consider this: if Trump is elected, yes, he would be Putin’s puppet. But that’s not a good option either. See all this Wikileaks crap now? Multiply that by 100. He doesn’t understand that Putin is in bed with Assad. He truthfully doesn’t understand Putin wants to reassemble the USSR. And all that Trump doesn’t understand will be used to Putin’s advantage. Him being Putin’s puppet is very dangerous.
Putin actually knows Hillary is a much greater adversary bc she is tough and has that Sec State experience.
I in no way meant to imply Trump was the better choice. No, no, and no. I was trying to look at it from Putin’s point of view, not what Trump thinks Putin’s view is. Hillary is formidable, and Putin will not be pushing her around. He will however, try.
Ah ok, got it. Your statement scared me for a second.
Russia can’t afford another war. Their economy is dependent on the price of oil, and with it being so low for so long they are in a fiscally vulnerable position. They couldn’t afford to invade Crimea, but they did. They can’t afford their Syrian efforts, yet they are sinking more money into it. They are essentially maxed out on the credit cards right now. THAT is why Putin is so afraid of Hillary. Because Russia can’t take anymore sanctions or fiscal consequences.
Putin doesn’t want a large unwinnable war, he wants distractions to keep Russian citizens’ minds off their economic woes, and to expand Russia’s sphere of influence. Trump would be a useful idiot for him. The danger with an HRC presidency is if the US shoots down Russian aircraft in a Syrian no-fly zone, and that triggers an international crisis — not Putin believing HRC is “weak.” He’s well aware of her hawkish tendencies from her time as SoS.
A friend of mine went to college with a large number of Russian émigré. The feeling from a lot of them is that the Cold War never really ended for Russia, and it’s a matter of time before it revs up again regardless of who winds up in office. Scary stuff.
Trump probably thinks Mosul is a village of little huts in the desert. How exactly do you liberate a city of over a million people without telling anyone?
It doesn’t surprise me that he thinks he knows better than the military commanders, he thinks he knows better than everyone who doesn’t agree with him. He doesn’t even believe the Republicans on the Homeland Security Committee who are telling him that Russia is hacking the US.
“Well, I was going to say sex, but I can’t relate that to her.”
We’re not going to discuss how disturbing that comment was?
THIS was his answer to what he and his daughter have in common? Nothing about personalities or their shared profession?
I cannot imagine who I would be if I had Trump as a father….damn.
Not too surprising as he refered to her as a “piece of ass”. It is truly disturbing. Had my ex ever said anything like that about my daughters he would have been out the door sooner than he was.
Exactly. This is so abnormal and does not speak to a healthy relationship between father and daughter.
There is a book called Toxic Parents which talks about fathers being attracted to their daughters and making those kinds of comments and it reminded me so much of trump.
It took me a long time to learn about boundaries and that when people say that kind of inappropriate stuff it’s not just men being men but I am able to say that it makes me uncomfortable and I do not want to hear it again.
And it is a little late but Better late than never because I was able to pass those lessons on to my young daughters.
Therapy, time and distance were the only things that worked for me though.
At least you learned though.
It seems like so many women believe that this is “typical male behavior” which depresses me to no end.
I think I learned early not to take stuff from people. I grew up with all brothers and boys in the neighborhood and learned not to take anything from them. Had a class in college where I was the only girl (a physics class) and every day the “guys” would look out the window at the sunbathers. One day I walked out of class and told them I would be back when they were done. Walked back in 10 minutes later. Rarely happened after that. Raised my daughters not to take this type of behavior.
That’s good swak. I didn’t have any role models, was always told all kinds of crap like women provoke men’s sexuality and just let boys be boys, etc and saw it mirrored at home too.
Like kitten said, Makes me sad when any woman thinks it is ok for any man, including her father, to talk to her like that.
Everyone says ivanka is so sweet and all I can think is, “yeah, everyone loved me when I was a doormat.” They only got mad when I started to fight back.
Hi Jennah,
Your comment immediately reminded me of a wonderful article I recently read by Dan Savage, “The Trump Talk”:
http://www.thestranger.com/savage-love/2016/10/19/24625367/savage-love
(Also an interesting read for anyone with young children worried about the lasting effect Trump will leave in his wake.)
That comment is so disturbing. So very, very wrong. I am just baffled that he doesn’t hear himself and understand that it is inappropriate. There are so many examples of his creepy talk about his daughter!
Mr. Kahn was in my neck of the woods last weekend and he gave an interview to our local news . I have to say, he was absolutely lovely . The loss that his family experienced is unimaginable. The Kahn family are courageous not only in handling their pain of losing their son, which the pain never goes away. But the courage to stand up to a bully who in my opinion , is a pycho.
While we may reside in the same country, Trump voters live in a different reality than the rest of us.
There is an excellent piece in the NYT about how the D cannot handle humiliation if defeated.
He thinks that would be the worse thing that could happen to him.
Gives some insight as to his warped personality, and the revenge he needs to get on his
enemies.
Shudder!!!
This is so worrying, what is going on, I thought Hillary had it in the bag a couple of days ago, and now his polls are starting to rise again, what the””, this is just unbeleivable that it is tightening again, I hope another tape of him saying something disgusting, or something else comes out again, but at this stage nothing seems to make a difference about what he says or does, he is like a cockroache , nothing gets rid of him. Cant wait till the 8th, and we are put out of our misery, all of us HRC supporters
I hope everybody takes into account that some of the most extreme behavior shown towards supporters of the opposite candidate is not necessarily ALL from supporters of the one. (For example, Trump supporters cruelly harassing Hillary supporters.) BOTH sides have been known for “dirty tricks” such as hiring agitators/provacateurs to misbehave to make the other side look bad. For the record, I read about such things going on as far back as Watergate.
Just something to keep in mind.
You can read about dirty tricks from politicians going back to Caesar.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/22/trump-will-win-election-professor-long-track-record-predicts
http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/10/president-donald-trump-emerges-if-history-repeats-itself-claim-2-predicting-professors-001201249.html
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I feel sick …
It’s in the best interest of CNN, Fox, MSNBC, et al to suggest that the ratings are close. I’m sure their collective viewership has risen steadily since the first pres debate (and with it the profits their making).
Don’t worry HRC warriors, Clockjerk Orange is about to disappear. Bigly.
Clockjerk Orange😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏
This is what I keep thinking, although I’m still keeping my fingers crossed. They don’t get eyeballs if it’s not a horse race.
I need to leave Twitter. I know. Every once in a while I’m astounded at what I see from people.
For example, ladies and gentlemen, our American education system at work. “Politicians requires no experience. All you have to do is get votes. It’s not a profession. A janitor could be poli”
This scares me to no end.
Its common for the polls to always tighten 2 weeks before the election. It happens every election. What does scare me about this election, a lot of people will go in and secretly vote for Trump. I’ve had 2 people confess to me they were voting for Trump and right away began defending their choice, without me even asking why. If people who are openly voting for him have a defensive stance, makes me believe a lot of people will keep their vote secret.
See I hope it’s the other way around. I’m praying that a good number of republicans who publicly say they are voting for Trump (because they do not want to piss off friends and family who are supporting him) will secretly vote for Hillary. A friend of mine has a cousin who has been very pro-Trump this whole time on Facebook admitted to them in private that she was really voting for Hillary but didn’t want her husband to know.
Wow. That does not sound like a very healthy marriage. But I hope there’s some more hidden HRC fans…
If Trump was a character in the Game of Thrones, he would be Lord of the Deplorables.
OH MY GOD, SHE SLEEPS?!?!?!?!?
I ALREADY VOTED FOR HER! SHIT! WHAT DO I DO??? I CERTAINLY DON’T WANT A DAMN SLEEPY PRESIDENT!!!
CRAP!
/sarcasm
The one hope I have against unknown supporters swarming the booths on Election Day is this–most Trump supporters are die-hard and loud. They are ride-or-die no matter what he says or does and they don’t hesitate to go on the attack against other Republicans even who show the slightest hesitancy in supporting Trump 100%. I just don’t see an huge unknown number willing, or able, to lie quietly for all these months. They’re just too hard-core. I think we’re more likely to see the opposite–that there are a bunch of people who are unwilling to publicly say they’ll support Hillary but will hold their noses and do so on Election day. For whatever reason, she seems to be the one that people are less likely to boast about supporting. In my personal experience, I post all kinds of negative Trump stories but I won’t post pro-Hillary ones on my Facebook because then I’ll get jumped on by my Republican friends, or rather my Trumpian ones–lots of my GOP friends/family aren’t voting for him or I’ll get jumped on by my Bernie or Buster-now I’m voting for Jill Stein because Hillary’s the Devil leftwing friends and family. so I lay low and let people intimate what they want. It’s just too exhausting. I also think it’s a good thing to keep worrying about a Trump victory–complacency could do us in. If people start thinking that there’s no way Trump will win–especially people who aren’t enthused about her to begin with–people could very well stay home.
This is how fascism starts. When you feel you can’t speak up about the things you believe in for fear that others will attack you. At first you don’t believe it, because it’s unthinkable in a civilized society. You think you must have gone crazy. It erodes your confidence and your safety, little by little until it’s too late. Trump and his supporters have NO hesitation saying some truly appalling things. So why should you have any hesitation speaking up for what you believe?
If you don’t stand up to this now, where will we be in 2 years? 4 years?
And if Hillary (as I hope) wins, the closet racist/homophobic/sexist nutters this election has brought out of the woodwork, will be yet again enraged by feeling they are not in control.
So the battle will not be over yet. Keep voting, this election and the next and the next.
Get ’em by the ballots.
Vigilance is the eternal price of freedom.
Why oh why do the Trumps have the worst tailor in the world? It’s like they buy ready made suits and don’t have them tailored. Which is awful. If you are a billionaire you should not look like you are wearing your grandpa’s suits or your little brother’s suit. Smh.
Sorry Kaiser,
But you need to reassess your understanding of “real women,” it’s NOT literal, it’s supposed to be inclusive. It means non-sample size, non-mannequin size, not only made for models but made for “real” women as in, everywoman. NO ONE is saying straight-sized people are robots, everyone agrees all women are real women.
It’s just odd that you keep belaboring the point that even small women are real, but that only reveals youre not able to grasp the true subtext.
Having been every size at one time or another, in the 90s they didn’t sell jeans above a size 13 in stores, and a size 16 was like the needle in the haystack. Even plus size stores had the worst jeans until maybe the mid to late 2000s, they were either Jnco size or “skinny jeans” with the silhouette of MC Hammer parachute pants.
And size 24 is still very exclusionary, there are plenty of women who would love if the line went up to at least 30. But beggars can’t really be choosers I guess.
Update: The orange bastard just called for the elections to be canceled so he could be “decreed” president. I kid you not. Mofo.
Link, please?
Stadun, WIth all due respect, you’re worrying about Trump’s suits? His ill-fitting suits are the LEAST of our problems with him. Imagine: He will NEVER go away now. NEVER!!!!!!!
I really can’t take any more of this. I can’t believe even 2% of Americans are considering voting for this nutjob.
The polls are tightening?
WTF?
I have been a Celebitchy fan for a long time and love all the comments from the insightful, smart & hilarious posters. This Trump nightmare is making me step out of the shadows to say how much solace I get from this great community. You all reflect my thoughts & articulate them perfectly. I have been allowing CNN to scare me sh*tless with the latest polls about Trump catching up. Eric, I hope you are right about the media blowing things up. I am getting seriously alarmed knowing I share space in this country with so many despicables. Unbelievable! !
Scarlett. Don’t worry. Clockjerk Orange will be a bad nightmare soon. Gone in a *poof* of bad hair.
No one is even open to discuss the “deplorable” things that Sen. Clinton has said/done?! For YEARS? Momentous issues there, as well. I believe, like many, we’re dealing w/the worst candidates ever, perhaps. I hardly see how either can be extolled for their character. I like reading others’ opinions, any which way they go, but there is trouble being stuck in a conviction.
Trashaddict, I compulsively check CNN, ABC, CBS, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Washington Post, the L.A. Times, the Chicago Tribune and the San Francisco Chronicle (I think I got them all). Trump’s comment about canceling the election was in one of these sources last night. I don’t have the heart or the time to look at them all again this morning to see which one, since I’ll be late to work. Good luck (to us all).
Trashaddict, compulsive Celebitch that I am, I checked anyway. It’s on CNN. To add to my above list, I also check NBC News (I knew I checked 10 news sources a day). By the way, I have never done this before, only after the orange plague started spreading did I add to my news sources.