Kathy Griffin: Jon Hamm’s vibe is ‘cold, disrespectful’, perhaps even smarmy

wenn29543896

As CB discussed last week, comedian Kathy Griffin has a new book out called Kathy Griffin’s Celebrity Run-Ins: My A-Z Index. The book is already being widely excerpted, which is why we already heard about Kathy’s Ellen DeGeneres story, and Kathy’s absolutely awful Woody Allen story. Well, there are obviously more stories, because that’s Kathy’s brand of comedy: talking sh-t about celebrities. I’m not judging! I love that she talks sh-t about celebrities, and I view her comedy as similar to what we’re doing too. So here are some of the celebrities Kathy dishes about in her book:

Jon Hamm sucks. Kathy went to a party hosted by Sue Mengers, in which Hamm and Jack Nicholson were in attendance. She writes: “You’ll never convince me to like Jon Hamm. The vibe I’ve always gotten from him is cold and somewhat disrespectful … toward me. I’m suggesting he’s one of these hot guys who’s mildly funny but actually thinks he’s comedian-level funny. So when Hammy showed up, too, inside I thought, oh great. He even said to me, ‘What are you doing here?’ I said, ‘I earned my seat at the table. What are you doing here?’” It was only downhill from there, especially as the Mad Men actor continue to throw back his drinks. While Griffin was discussing Rupert Murdoch with Nicholson, “Hammy picks that moment … to start whispering boozy yammering into my ear. First it was, ‘You know your Emmy isn’t a real Emmy.’ I let that one go, but then he whispered, ‘You’re so o-o-o-old.’ Look, I’ve been told I’m old and not funny by a lot of guys — a lot of hot guys, too — but not when I’m in an intimate conversation space with frickin’ Jack Nicholson, an opportunity I figured I’d never get again; that’s the real reason I can’t stand Hammy. The double whammy of cruel but not playful comments and the horrible timing. Again, he’s not a comedian, folks. Hopefully done with the drink, but probably still Don Draper-y.”

Ashton Kutcher is a jackass.
Kathy and Kutcher were co-hosting a charity event for uBid.com in 2005 and Kutcher refused to speak to her, despite the fact that they were supposed to interact. She writes: “At least three separate times, we were standing in the wings, waiting to go out and present, and I’d say something like, ‘Hey, what if, when we go out, we do this … ,’ and suggest something, and he’d just ignore me. If he said five words to me the whole day, I’d be surprised. It was bizarre and rude and made me feel as if he thought I was beneath him, someone not worth talking to in the slightest.” Three years later, she ran into him at a local Mexican restaurant with Moore, now 54. Griffin said hi; he did not. “If you won’t say hi to me in the Mexican takeout joint, you’re a d-bag.” The final snub, however, occurred while she was talking to P Diddy at a party. “Kutcher stepped directly in front of me and started talking to Diddy as if I wasn’t even there,” she reveals. “So that’s three incidents. Do I loathe him? No. He’s just someone who’s made it perfectly clear to me that I have absolutely nothing to offer him during his precious time on earth.”

Her Jack Nicholson story. She asked him if he would ever settle down, and “He said with a devilish twinkle in his eye, ‘I think when ole Paris Hilton turns thirty, I’ll be seventy five, and she and I will be exactly in tune, at exactly the right time for both of us,’” writes Griffin. Unfortunately, what would have been the world’s most iconic duo never came to be. Continues Griffin, “I told Paris Hilton this story. She gave me her signature blank stare.”

Her Leonardo DiCaprio story. She met Leo at the DGAs this year, while she was hanging out with Lily Tomlin. Kathy writes, “I stood up and said, ‘Don’t be a douchebag, Leo. Get off your f–ing phone and say hi to the great Lily Tomlin!’ He either didn’t hear me or chose to ignore me. You decide. I repeated it until he finally turned his head, pulled his precious phone away, and kindly said hello to Lily. (He’s gorgeous by the way.) I said again, ‘Jesus, Leo, don’t be such a douchebag.’ He walked away and with an adorable smile said, ‘I am a douchebag.’ Touché, Leo.”

[From Us Weekly]

I like the Leo story because it sounds like something he would acknowledge about himself. Like, “Yeah, I am a d-bag, and I know it.” The Jack Nicholson story sounds like Jack, just as the Ashton story sounds utterly believable too. I get why the Jon Hamm story is getting so much attention though – I mean, a few years ago, everyone thought Hamm was the best thing ever, that he was sex on legs and the most charming an humble guy. But then that fraternity story happened, and there were rumors about his chronic infidelity, then he broke up with Jennifer Westfeldt and went to rehab and more. And now it’s difficult to see Jon Hamm as anything other than smarmy and “off” somehow. So it does feel like Kathy’s story is probably right on the money.

wenn29652703

Photos courtesy of WENN.

You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed.

73 Responses to “Kathy Griffin: Jon Hamm’s vibe is ‘cold, disrespectful’, perhaps even smarmy”

Comments are Closed

We close comments on older posts to fight comment spam.

  1. susiecue says:

    Dammit, that’s it, I’m going to have to pour one out for my Jon Hamm crush, because it is DEAD.

    • burnsie says:

      I know he has a past, but I can’t help it!!! He’s still my dream husband

    • tracking says:

      Yeah, crush dead here too, no phoenix rising from these ashes. The comments were so nasty. Together with the fraternity incident, seems clear he has a cruel streak.

    • JennaR says:

      After re-reading the account of the hazing, I was disgusted all over again. I’m not sure how I forgot some of the more horrific details.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      Jon Hamm was very kind and gracious to me and others that I know. His vibe was very humble. Of course, he was sober when that happened.

    • RachFace says:

      Can we for a moment think that perhaps this was in his drunken state? For which he then went to rehab? I still have an undeniable crush on Jon Hamm. We have all made mistakes and said inappropriate things, I’m not excusing his behavior but hopefully going to rehab and doing things to change his life has made him a better person.

  2. QueenEllisabet says:

    is it possible that the problem is with Kathy?

    • Radley says:

      Not all of her stories are negative. But her reputation precedes her. I think some celebs are genuinely intimidated by her thus the weird reactions she sometimes gets. They think they’re gonna become a part of her stand-up routine.

      I believe all these anecdotes. I mean, who lies about Ashton Effin Kutcher?? And it was 11 years ago. He’s probably developed some better coping skills by now. Could Jon Hamm’s funky attitude be the reason his career is not as hot as some expected post Mad Men?

      • Penelope says:

        Good point about his post-MM career arc, Radley. Plus, Hamm’s not a very good actor.

        I always found him hot until the frat story became public and I saw him during an interview where he seemed really self-involved and full of himself. Those two things drained his hot factor completely!

    • HappyMom says:

      No. I read the book-most people she’s actually really positive about.

    • Jesie says:

      She’s mostly positive about celebrities in her book.

      There’s video of Ashton at that event being frosty and ignoring her and making everything horribly awkward on-stage while she tries to her job for both of them, so that one’s definitely not on her. Hamm’s behavior is very much in line with the way he’s talked about celebrities below him in the Hollywood hierarchy (there’s not liking C and D listers and there’s acting like they’re sub-human, he does the latter). The Leo story isn’t really negative, and the Nicholson story is classic Nicholson (also worth noting Jack Nicholson and Tom Hanks didn’t think themselves above chatting with her but Ashton Kutcher and Jon Haam did)

  3. jinni says:

    Anyone thinks that new Lainey blind is about Jon Hamm?

    • Suzie says:

      I thought it could be John Mayer. I have to read it again with Hamm in head.

      • ell says:

        the trouble is that recently with so many splits there have been so many single men it could be referring to. what throws me off is the bit about who he was with in the past, because the first person popping in my head at that point was ben affleck.

    • MC2 says:

      Ohhhh- I looked it up and it could be him. But it could also be so many of these dudes, right? But newly single and newly sober- I’d buy it.

    • Suzie says:

      I read that some suspected it could be Calvin Harris, the ex Lainey is referring to being Taylor Swift.

    • Jesie says:

      The bit about who the guy was with in the past doesn’t make sense with Haam though, he’s only been with Jessica Westfeldt publicly and I don’t think anyone knows enough about her to care.

      It has to be Ben Affleck or someone like him, someone with a famous ex who you’d be surprised or amused likes that particular sex act.

  4. Jayna says:

    Most celebs stay away from Kathy. They end up in her routine, and she can be very cruel herself and humiliate or degrade them in her routine. They don’t like her. She goes lighter on her friends.

    • Kitten says:

      I mean…this, right? She’s surprised that some celebs don’t like her? She grates on me.

    • Madailein says:

      Exactly! Celebrities know that, for the most part, Kathy is going to mock them after meeting them, so I’m not exactly sure why she’s surprised that many celebrities are dismissive of or avoidant of her? After all, she makes her career off of them–off making fun of them. If I were any kind of celebrity, I’d avoid her, too. Plus she isn’t even funny, more just like the anonymous , rarely noticed girl in high school who made fun of the popular kids b/c she knew she’d never really *be* them. There seems to be a lot of venom and actual meanness in her acts, and she’s far more irritating than anything else.

    • supposedtobeworking says:

      yeah, I think I would come off as smarmy and cold if I was around her for any length of time too. She’s a bit over the top for me, and I don’t engage with those people in groups.

      • PowerToThePeaceful says:

        The word smarmy is in reference to a obvious salesperson of the used car variety. It “sounds” like slimey but is a malaprop as a synonym for slimey.

  5. MC2 says:

    These stories make me like her more. I like the real life “show me who they are” stories like these and these are good takes on the individuals imo. The line “I earned my seat at the table, what are you doing here?” Is so good. I take note and put it in my back pocket for future use (will credit Griffin under me breath so karma is good).

    I figured the Hamm story would be about the drink but liked that she said hope that he put down the bottle but he’s likely still a dick. I nodded. Leo- damn that guy is charming & you can’t hate him. Jack & Paris Hilton- hahahah! I spit out my coffee and need it all this morning. Please make that happen Santa!

  6. Aiobhan Targaryen says:

    I know a lot of people do not like her but I actually enjoy her and her stories. She is as annoying as she comes off as, but she is fully aware of this and happily admits to her faults. I just cannot dislike her. I do have to admit that I take her in small doses.

    I agree with everything she said about Jon Hamm. He seems to get a lot of slack because he is a hot guy who can occasionally make people laugh. People confuse the two because they have such low expectations from him in regards to comedy.

    The Leo story is kind of cute. The only time I found Leo hot was in the Basketball Diaries and possibly Romeo and Juliet. I find him a tad more tolerable than Timberlake for some unknown reason.

    Jack Nicholson is gross, but that story was also kind of funny and creepy at the same time. Try not to judge me. It is not as bad as the Woody nightmare Kathy spoke of; that story makes my blood boil.

  7. ell says:

    white straight men are assholes, what else is new lol

    no but seriously, that’s why i don’t get idolising celebs. they’re human beings like you and i, and act like it. jon hamm has had a very well known drinking problem, as well as struggling with depression. it doesn’t excuse the horrible things he’s done or said, but it’s not just assholiness, he had issues, which he hopefully solved now since rehab.

    kutcher is a horrible human being, apparently without an addiction. we’ve known that for years (and it’s one of the reasons why i went off completely mila kunis, when i used to have the most massive crush on her for ages).

    • Lacia Can says:

      I didn’t see your comment before I made mine. Now I look foolish 😳 I’m kind of new to watching celebs (I don’t idolize them) so I don’t know all the stories. My bad.

  8. Lacia Can says:

    I was disappointed by the Kutcher story. Idk why, but I thought he might have been an ok guy. He was with a woman much older than him, so he obviously sees women as more than our vagiinas. His former girlfriend was murdered by another man, so he must abhor violence against women. Now I have to wonder about his massive ego. Yuck. You’re an actor, you’re not curing cancer or bringing about world peace!

    • MC2 says:

      I was thinking about it and while he looks like a dick here, he might have someone in his life that he cares about and she pissed them off or hurt them? Kutcher ignoring her isn’t so bad, especially since Kathy has so many burned brides so he might have been one she just didn’t know about? I bet there is something there on his side & he hated her before ever meeting her. She has to kind of expect that in that town, right? Kutcher just ignored her but Hamm was a real turd.

      • Lacia Can says:

        Hope you’re right about Kutcher; it’s certainly plausible. He should have been straight with her, though. “I don’t like you because xyz.” Otherwise he looks like a jerk.

        I may have been the only person in the world who didn’t like MM or get why Hamm was so sexy. My libido must be broken. Anyway, I’d heard about his frat story and I found it impossible to like him after that. This new story is believable. Drunk or not, he’s a 💩.

      • MC2 says:

        Lacia- I don’t see the big appeal in Hamm either. Shrug. Sometimes I wonder why I don’t find certain men hot that all the other women do but then I came across a few women in a liberal setting crying as they admitting to finding Mike Pence hot and I was suddenly very glad that my hoohaa is more discerning.

      • Bluthfan says:

        Ashton has a twin with mental disabilities that he visits in Iowa frequently. I’ve heard from family in Iowa that he has a reputation for being a really nice guy. No ego and talks with public, etc. That makes him better than Josh Hartnett who comes back to Minnesota and acts like a massive douchebag.

      • elle says:

        @MC2… “Discerning Hooha” would be a great username!

      • Rhiley says:

        Ashton Kutcher only cares about his image and he is very fake and douchey.

      • Fiorella says:

        He was with Demi and this was post her divorce and 300k surgeries. Maybe Kathy had commented on Demi

    • Lena says:

      I don’t think being with an older woman necessarily means that you see them as more than just their bodies and the details of that relationship in particular don’t support it . Demi Moore was a huge sex symbol when he was growing up and while she was older then he she wasn’t “old” yet when they got together and had made great efforts to retain her looks. Many guys that age dream of a bit older but not too old and super hot experienced woman and she might have been his crush since his teenage years . He also sexualized her, like one time he tweeted a picture of her behind I think? And then they split, before she got to the age of pensioners discounts.

      • imqrious2 says:

        He also cheated on her, the last straw being with a stripper in a hot tub in Vegas. It happened on his and Demi’s anniversary. Real stand-up guy…sheesh.

    • Jesie says:

      He told his ex January Jones that she was too plain to be an actress and she should stop trying.

      I’ve never thought he was a nice person. Demi’s not a nice person either. I imagine that relationship was built on mutual entitlement and narcissism. They both loved the attention their age-gap got them, and the relationship started falling apart right around the time everyone stopped caring. If we’d never cared in the first place I’d bet they’d have never even gotten married.

  9. Slowsnow says:

    I don’t know… I have a good friend who is a really nice person but with a huge drinking problem (He’s getting better though). And when he drinks, well, he’s exactly like that. Whe he is sober he is a completely different person.
    I find this slashing of celebrities slightly disturbing – I dont know who Kathy Griffin is (Non-American here) but I find this a tad narcissistic and pushing things a bit to sound juicy. Not that I have any trouble believing what she wrote, by the way.

  10. Aims says:

    I know Kathy isn’t for everyone , but I think she’s hilarious . I love that she rolls her eyes and speaks up.

    • LoveIsBlynd says:

      Right- I need the inside scoop. Wish she was a political comedian. She’s the doppleganger for Rachel Maddow.

  11. Jess says:

    I just downloaded the audio version of this book – it’s part of my current escaping reality plan while I try to figure out what concrete actions I can take to fight the horror that is coming to our country as of January 2017.

  12. Scarlet Vixen says:

    I have a major soft spot for Kathy Griffin. I know some people find her to be abrasive and obnoxious, but that is really just schtick. I watched her reality show (and read her first book), and she was so sweet to her parents, her then husand (who wound up being a d*ck), her staff, fans, everyone. She is such a celeb fan girl, so I can see her genuinely feeling hurt when they snub her right to her face. None of her stand-up is scripted–she just writes herself bullet points & then ad libs, which I really admire. So many male comedians have been telling the same exact jokes for 30 years (I’m looking at you, blue collar comedy guys). Her stand up isn’t just snark, but alot of it is her fan girling and describing awkward situations she’s gotten herself into. She’s very frugal and smart with money, practical about her career, she doesn’t drink, loves animals, and just seems very genuine and down-to-earth.

    • Beckysuz says:

      Yeah I really like her too. The funny thing about her standup is that it’s mostly just gossipy stuff. She just tells stories about meeting various celebrities. She isn’t nasty to people. And I really did like her on her show. She was very good to her family and employees. I think she has a good heart, and I think she’s hilarious. And she’s done a lot for the LGBT community.

  13. bogos says:

    I am still a fan of Jon Hamm’s looks and talent but he does seem damaged from alcohol abuse and life in general. Mad Men did portray in many respects that wildly successful creative types are rarely motivated by producing offspring and supporting them. I don’t compare him to that white bread standard. With more success niceness falls for a lot of people but he seems to have suffered a lot and continues to suffer in some ways and maybe this is why he is more popular than he should be. Well this along with his money, looks and talent.

    • Spiderpig says:

      He starred in one decent cable TV show and made a lowbrow comedy movie playing the role of “guy who jackhammers in bed while pulling comedy faces”, he’s not exactly Vincent van Gough.

  14. paranormalgirl says:

    I really don’t care for Kathy Griffin, but I believe her stories.

  15. nicegirl says:

    I love Kathy. She is hilarious and fun and I need it now more than ever. I think I am perpetually on the D List myself so maybe that is why I like her!

  16. HappyMom says:

    I read her book over the weekend. She is hilarious. Parts of it I actually laughed out loud.

  17. Margo S. says:

    I actually think I need to buy this book. I’ve always loved Kathy Griffin and I think I’m going to show her support and purchase it today! Cyber Monday!!

  18. Leni says:

    I love that woman. I use to have somewhat unresolved feelings until I realized she was being herself-which at the time I was not-I think everything she said with her slice of humour is correct.

  19. Talie says:

    I thought Hamm had acknowledged in some interviews that he’s a bit disturbed…I mean, he did have a messed up childhood and the drinking didn’t help.

  20. cindy says:

    I adore Kathy Griffin. I have read her older book and will get her new one…..Her celebrity stories are the best and I think they provide a window into what celebrities are really like. Griffin is obviously not someone they can get something from, so the way they treat her (I think), says a lot about who they are. Her stand up never fails to cheer me up.

  21. Pansy says:

    I believe her stories, but could it be….slanted….in her favor? Sure. Like the Leo one. Let’s say that Leo was talking to someone important about something important (hey, it could happen!) and then Kathy was interrupting HIM? Maybe he’d already spoken to Lily Tomlin earlier in the night? Maybe he was trying to meet someone and he didn’t even realize she was there? She can be so rude sometimes…there are usually two sides to every story. Well, every sober story. The drunk Hamm one I can believe.

    • Jesie says:

      In the book the Leo story isn’t negative like the Leo and Hamm stories, it’s just a funny story. She’s not acting like she wasn’t being annoying, being annoying is her thing, she owns it.

  22. JaneDoesWork says:

    Love Kathy Griffin! I do think though that celebrities seem to have a pact of protecting each others privacy, like they don’t generally tell stories about each other. Since she does I think it rubs people the wrong way.

    I do believe all of these anecdotes. My husband is from Missouri and Hamm is a hometown hero but I’ve always gotten a jackass vibe from him.

  23. Amy Tennant says:

    Hamm is well cast on Kimmy Schmidt.

  24. LinaLamont says:

    I don’t think Griffin is at all funny or talented. I always thought the Seinfeld episode about her not being funny was the truth. While I don’t doubt that Allen is one of the creepiest creeps that ever crept and that Hamm & Kutcher are assholes, even I (a nobody) wouldn’t want to engage with her.
    The Leo story sounds about right from my encounter. I don’t think he’d go out of his way to talk to you, but, if you engage him, he’s okay with it, not rude and has a sense of humor.

    Also, I thought Hamm was very funny in “30 Rock”.

  25. Josefina says:

    I have mixed feelings on Kathy Griffin, but I can believe all of these stories. I never liked Jon Hamm and I always felt the same way about him as her.

  26. Bread and Circuses says:

    As they say, if you meet an asshole, well, it’s just bad luck. You met an asshole. But if you’re meeting assholes all day long, then YOU are the asshole.

    Ahem. Kathy seems to be constantly meeting assholes. My, my, how could that be.

  27. Vee says:

    It is hard to imagine why or how Jennifer Westpheldt hung in for so many years.I don’t know too much about her personal life but I loved her in a couple of movies I’ve seen. Probably most of us including me have stayed in relationships with seriously flawed men but grew out of it eventually.So many years for a woman who is beautiful and talented…

    • bogos says:

      Agree with you! It seemed more about being needed and then ending with zero respect nor security in return.

  28. Marianne says:

    Has she ever thought that maybe people don’t walk to talk to her because shit talks about so many people lol?

  29. Joanie says:

    Let’s just day that Hammy was the perfect choice for Don Draper.

  30. bee says:

    I went to school with Jon Hamm and felt sorry for him. He lost his mom quite young and then his dad before he was grown. I don’t excuse any of his behavior but I could see why he hit the bottle so hard.

  31. Anare says:

    I have always felt an a-hole vibe from Jon Hamm. He can sometimes look handsome but mostly he looks creepy to me.

    • Lou says:

      ….then Jon Hamm from Mad Men showed up, I also love torture because he’s actually in a fantasy football league with a friend of mine and I think fantasy football or fantasy of any kind are ridiculous because guess what they are fantasy it doesn’t mean you’re in the team, anayway I have to try to torture Jon Hamm because he’s gorgeous and he’s perfect to target for me but I don’t think he’s quite famous enough to be my new Ryan Seacrest, so one of the way I like to get under his skin is to tell him I will made fun of you more Jon you just not there.
      Kathy Griffin

  32. Bibi says:

    This is Kathy’s POV… Jon’s the nicest guy around. I’ve seen Jon smile at strangers and pet random dogs. I think his preference is obvious.