I genuinely have a wave of sadness whenever I’m pulling photos for these Angelina Jolie-Brad Pitt divorce stories. There are so many photos, so many happy Brangelina memories. It’s sad to think that they’ll never walk a red carpet together again. Anyway, what fresh hell has the Brangelina Divorce vomited up this time? This story isn’t too bad, actually. It’s just a technical update on the custody issue, which is basically the only issue Brad and Angelina are fighting about. Angelina doesn’t want Brad’s money, she reportedly just wants the kids. So far, Brad and Angelina have been working closely with a family counselor/psychiatrist and the family court’s recommendations. Brad gets monitored visits with the kids, and everybody goes to group therapy. And that’s what this “new” custody arrangement is all about – it’s basically a solidification of that plan, and a statement that the permanent custody issue has yet to be worked out.
Brad Pitt’s child custody arrangement with Angelina Jolie is in the hands of one man … according to docs filed by Jolie. Right now, the exes and their 6 kids are operating under a temporary custody deal agreed upon by both sides. As we’ve reported … she has primary custody and Brad gets monitored visits, but the docs Angelina filed spell out the details.
According to the docs … when and how Brad sees the children is determined by a psychologist who specializes in child custody issues. The deal says, the “frequency and conditions of the therapeutic visitation shall be determined by Ian Russ, Ph.D.” Brad and Angie also must participate in group therapy sessions with the kids. The terms of this deal must stay in place until there’s a court order, or both parents agree to change it.
Additionally, the docs say Brad will submit to random drug and alcohol tests at least 4 times per month. Pitt and Jolie made this arrangement in October, while Brad was still under investigation by the DCFS, but as we’ve reported … the agency cleared him of any wrongdoing a month ago.
Jolie’s filing essentially memorializes the temporary deal with the court. The judge signed it on Friday.
Sounds pretty reasonable to me. I keep getting the feeling that Brad is going out of his way to meet all of Angelina’s conditions and be seen as following the very letter and essence of all the family court’s recommendations. That’s smart for a lot of reasons – even if it looks like Brad is losing some “battles,” he will likely win the “war.” Meaning, at the end of the day, he’ll be seen as a fit parent who jumped through hoops to have access to his kids by any means necessary. Meaning, he’ll get joint custody in the end. I have to think that Angelina knows that too?
Update: TMZ has a new story this morning about how Angelina is still hellbent on moving to London with all of the kids after she gets sole custody. So… I don’t know. We’ll see, peeps.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Sounds cold
Sounds like there are significant issues there and everyone, including Brad, is doing whatever is necessary to make sure he can be a decent, productive part of his kids’ lives. If there wasn’t a problem, do you think Brad, with all his resources, would agree to this?
2Kate… I agree, and I am amazed that lost in all the frenzy about leaks is the question as to why Brad ‘s visit has to be determined by the shrink. This to my mind says that while the plane incident has been dismissed, Jolie, the children, and the psychologist have serious reservations about Pitt. Maybe , someone can shed some legal light on this.
Yup this seems to be the case. As much as Brads PR has attempted to make everything seem overblown. And yeah looking at Brangelina pics gives me the Sade.
Legally it means nothing. Just a sign she is taking this public. http://people.com/movies/what-angelina-jolies-newest-court-filing-means-for-her-custody-dispute-with-brad-pitt/
No it does not mean anything legally. However, both parties agreeded to this temporary agreement and it’s still ongoing. I thought it ended when Brad was cleared by DCFS and the FBI.
I think Angelina filed on December 2nd, because she got tired of the media trying to portray her as a horrible mother that’s keeping the kids from their father when that isn’t the case . How many stories have I read like this in weeks? Plenty How many comments have I seen on here claiming she’s the new Kelly Rutherford? Plenty.
@paige the agreement was signed and filed 10/26 but it was on 12/02 by the judge
@FA, it was filed Friday, Dec 2nd. The deal was reached Oct 26th. People Magazine has quotes calling it manipulation and completely unnecessary from a legal standpoint. They’ve got quotes from a family law specialist as well.
She really wants to move those kids to London away from Brad. She must really want that UN job. So far her plans to bring him down haven’t worked.
I hope you are being sarcastic.The UN is not in London
Stipulation & Order has to be submitted to the judge to sign, and this document has to be an agreement between Brad and Angelina, signed by them and their lawyers. There was no way to hide this document because from the beginning they were in agreement with this.
If they did not do that, it would be the court that would decide the custody of the children in that period. And it is clear that they are still following the same recommendations as DCFS. Only that with the investigation closed they do not run the risk of having children taken from them.
It just shows that Angelina and Brad are doing everything to fix any problem that has happened to the family, and it is brad’s opportunity to prove they can have the custody rights shared.
There is no war between them ….. and these sources know nothing.
Sabrine, are you kidding, right?
One more time:
1. The headquarters of the United Nations in New York City, NY (why move to London?).
2. The current Secretary-General is Ban Ki-moon, who took office on 1 January 2007.
3. António Guterres has been officially appointed to the next Secretary-General (after Ban Ki-moon steps down on 31 December 2016).
4. Some customs have evolved in relation to the process, e.g., the appointee may not be a citizen of any of the Security Council’s five permanent members (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, and United States).
5. Angelina Jolie is an American citizen.
#Note: Ban Ki-moon is from South Korea and António Guterres is from Portugal (i.e., countries that are NOT permanent members of the UN Security Council).
6. People in that possition has a large trajectory on international law, an academic preparation, diplomatic formation, previous experience on national embassies, etc.
Come on! Dou you think that she did wake up a morning and say now i want to be Secretary General of UN? Ridiculous.
Tmz BS stinks, bigly. Hope Brad (his pr team) is not behind this difamatory insinuation.
There is actually next to no UN presence in London. If anything she’d want to move to New York. Or Rome.
Foreing Girl – My insider sources say the UN thing is a ruse. She is really running for Pope. Shhh!
You know, it means exactly zero even if she does want to move the kids to London.
Because both parents have the financial means to either fly to see their kids or have their kids fly to see them.
And these kids have been jet-setting around the globe since they were babies. Getting on a plane a few times a year isn’t going to faze them; they’re already pros at that.
in case anyone wants to check her spokesperson or whoever has said that she has no plans on moving to london and is looking for a house in la – she has work with the university in london later on in the new year
I hope they will get to a good place this way. It sounds like everyone is on board to adress the issues and work on them.
I wish all custody arrangements were handled by a third party professional who was interested only in the welfare of the children.
It seems like both parents are looking out for the kids welfare, which is as it should be, but most couples going through a breakup are not that great at this.
I still wonder what he did to deserve this. I guess things aren’t always as they seem‼️‼️NEWSFLASH OF THE DAY‼️‼️
I loved them together. 😔
I think Brad said some very hurtful things and maybe his body language was threatening. I don’t think he actually did any physical violence but something must have given their children a fright.
I agree
Lol, why is it so hard to believe he’d get physically violent?
@Panda
Because I think Angelina would have beat the crap out of him right there on the plane.lol.
If there was physical abuse, Angelina would have said something, DCFS would have said so. And , I just don’t believe Brad would get physical with his kids.
ITA. I still feel awful for both of them somehow.
And of course, the poor kids…sigh.
I keep hearing people say Brad, Johnny Depp, etc are nice people and wouldn’t do terrible things. I work in the medical field and see many people who are drug users and alcoholics. Many are completely lovely people when they are sober. When substance abuse is a factor, you can’t really apply logic to people’s behavior.
Remember, Brad was DRUNK in that plane incident. We never know what has happened.
Didn’t he(try to) get behind a wheel shortly after?
I’m not sad when I see those “glamorous ” photos of that “gorgeous” couple. Was any of that ever real? And who knows what hell they put each other through to get where they are? Still sad for the kids, of course, who didn’t ask for any of this. Especially the tabloid scrutiny.
Meanwhile, TMZ had another “Angelina the Demon” story this morning. “Sources” saying she’s angling for sole custody because she’s planning to move to London with the children, and that she’s got her eye on a UN position. Same regurgitated crapola.
Angie doesn’t just have her eye on a UN position but also on the British House of Lords and probably on William Hague who helped her a lot with politics and her teaching thing at the London School of Economics and other things.
Hague is a former high ranking politician who was/is happily married.
I doubt she has any romantic interest in Hague. Been rumours for years that he is gay. There was a brouhaha a few years ago because he went everywhere inc sharing hotel rooms with a male companion. In politics and hollywood, nothing is as it seems.
OH NO, his wife better chain him in a basement and install metal bars in all the windows, Angelina is coming to steal her husband!
Just wait.
Pitt and Aniston once were married, too, and then came Angie.
What I am pointing out is that Angie would win a lot if she managed to snare Hague because he is a seasoned politician. And apparently Angie sees herself as a qualified politician nowadays rather than an actress.
Oh, and she will make Brad Pitt pay. 😉
Someone seriously take down TMZ and it’s owner.
Laura Wesser is supposed to be one of the best lawyers in US. She should start doing her job.
She has had a very low profile on this. I think she might be the part of the team who is in charge of unraveling their finances. When it comes to custody issues she has said repeatedly she doesn’t like drama.
Is there any other publications printing things you don’t like or just TMZ? Join Peter Theil and his brute force tactics to circumvent the First Amendment and shut down the free press you don’t care for.
Um, Laura Wasser is notorious for bring in bed with TMZ. They call her the disso-queen for a reason. There was a New Yorker profile of Harvey Levin, the guy behind TMZ, about half a year ago and there were some interesting details about Wasser,
The UN is not in the UK. It is in New York (and Geneva). I think she has a British luuuuuvahhh. That’s what this is really all about.
exactly what I think: all of this is about Angelina not forgiving Brad because another woman is involved; time will tell…
TMZ is so biased towards the man almost every time. Only in Halle Berry’s fight with Gabe Aubry, did they take the woman’s side. Speaking of Gabe, can we have a post on him? Delicious! 😚
@ Snowflake…Harvey seems to side with the more powerful Hollywood insider of any given couple. To have a clear view of Levin and his machine read this article.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/22/inside-harvey-levins-tmz
To be fair, I’m fairly certain all Hollywood media is kind of falling in line behind Brad. He’s got more friends and is a lot more active in the film industry. She’s been pulling away from film for awhile now.
Plus, he’s the most famous actor in the world and he’s actually still liked by people, as opposed to a Johnny Depp who has been on a downward slide for years.
“Liked by people” “signed lots of authographs on red carpet” does not mean his movie ALLIED won’t bomb. It flops seriously all over the world. At least Johnny Depp still has movie that make money right now “Fantastic Beasts” .
Allied never looked like it would be a huge blockbuster. Always had this ‘Good German’ vibe to it – big names but material and setting have no-one surprised it bombs at the box office. And Fantastic Beasts’ success has nothing to do with Depp *at all*! On the contrary, the people I spoke to who have seen the film, and also from what I read, many people disliked when he appeared and think he brings way too much baggage to this new franchise. People would love to have Colin back, who was fantastic (this also from many viewers – personally I thought he was beyond sexy in that role and I am already looking forward to rewatching this).
You do know Angie is not qualified for a UN position. Why is it so hard for everyone to believe she isn’t planning to move to London? I won’t believe it until Angie says it herself. Of course, I could just believe everything TMZ says since they appear to be the gospel and always tries to make Angie the “evil” one doing Brad dirty.
You are so right. Strange how everyone is so quick to believe anything negative about Angelina but not Brad. Still a man’s world. He is no Angel but his charm and good looks get him over. Same with his first divorce, Angelina was portrayed as the evil one but who was married? When the truth comes out they will all be wiping the egg off their tabloid faces.
she isnt moving to london – it has been denied by her camp
She has a teaching position at the LSE in London. Either she wants to fly to GB for two or three days a week or she has to move to London.
Or she might not take seriously her teaching job and just attend the first and last seminar session 🙂
The People article about it seems a lot worse to me. They seem to have chosen a side and it’s not hers.
TMZ can’t even seem to Google basic UN rules for their dumb stories.
Yuge amount of dollars says Harvey Levin voted Trump
People magazine have an LA family specialist talking about the filing of this document. He thought it was unusual, not to have made that agreement, but that it was being filed with the court. Unless there was some legal maneuver he couldn’t fathom, he seemed to feel it was designed to be leaked. It now looks like Brad has come back with a strong leak to TMZ. This is not the way I was hoping this would go.
(By strong I mean it is written very forcibly, as through they were very confident about their sources. It makes me think Brad’s team are prepared for court and have their strategy ready. Hopefully I am wrong and it will be settled before it gets in front of a judge. )
That TMZ story doesn’t make sense an ignorant will believe that story since when the UN was in london and since when an American citizen can be a Secretary General of UN
It is a story that has done the rounds and they have brought it back very forcibly as an exclusive. I am not saying all of it or even part of it is true, but I don’t think they would have written it like if they weren’t getting new information or much better sources for similar information. My main point is that the two stories seem like a tit-for-tat, which doesn’t suggest things are going well.
TMZ isn’t making any sense. I never believe the crap they write. I only believe this story because I saw the court documents. They claim Angelina rep stated she doesn’t have any plans to move to London and she’s focused on therapy with the kids. But then they go on to say their sources say otherwise. So which is more reliable? Angelina’s rep or an anonymous source claiming she plans to move.
But they were finally able to name a top UN position! Lol last time it was just “she wants to run the UN!”
I think the UN claim is misleading. She started some kind of political advocacy group with her British associates, connected with her teaching gig in the UK, right? I think she probably does want to move there both for professional and personal reasons. She’s on record as not liking LA, doesn’t have much of a H’wood career, and seems ready to turn the page on that life. That is not to say she might not have a sincere conviction that the kids would be better off with her.
She wants him to be clean before he get joint custody and he signed the paper and follow the therapeutic rule
I think you are right. Angie has overcome addiction, and if that’s the issue then she knows how long it takes for a person to recover. Not just detox, but recover.
It’s more than getting the chemicals out of your system, it’s about allowing your natural biochemistry to re-balance, and the period for doing so can be extremely difficult on the addict. If addiction is the issue it is far kinder both to Brad and the children to not expect him to parent 6 small children solo while his body and psychology are going through these dramatic changes. Everyone sees this as punitive but it can also be viewed as supportive: providing Brad the support and structure to recover.
I don’t care how many nannies you have, parenting those children by herself under these circumstances is no picnic for Angie. I think it’s high time her actions are viewed as what they likely are: taking the brunt of the burden to allow her children’s other parent to heal.
This interpretation of the “facts” is the most logical and empathetic. Though i believe Angelina and Brad are done for good, it is for the best to create a supportive environment to hand over the young kids during this new Jolie-Pitt normal. Angelina knows this first hand as her parents own divorce was a shit show of epic proportions.
Also if she wants to move to London, she will have a tough time in California Family Court who are not keen on removing minor children from exposure to both parents. She would have to demonstrate how this is the best move emotionally, financially and provide the most stability for the kids, as well as include probably footing the bill for Brad’s visitation. Not that he needs the cash but as a gesture of good faith for the courts.
Whole heartedly agree Embee.
There is no evidence that Pitt had or has a substance abuse problem or that he became physically violent.
There is no evidence that Pitt did do anything wrong. And that is why the investigation was closed.
But nevertheless Pitt got painted as the bad guy and must not see his children without a shrink monitoring him. And because he has agreed to those conditions many people seem to conclude that he were guilty of something really bad.
This sounds like a pretty standard order for a parent who has been the subject of a DCFS investigation (even if the investigation was closed or led to no action by DCFS). No judge in the world wants to be the one who failed to put restrictions like these on the investigated parent only to have a child end up harmed, neglected, or God forbid dead on his/her watch. It is interesting that Angelina and Brad apparently came to an agreement on this so really the judge is merely issuing a formal order to memorialize their deal. I suspect Brad consented to this because if he had tried to fight the restrictions, he could have been forced to testify about his relationships with the children, his past alcohol use, etc.
Yes pretty standard.
Apparently the agreement predates the results of both investigations, so it might have been a condition for him seeing the children at all. I imagine he probably wont have to testify now when they have the results of these investigations as evidence.
This. Its also interesting that he agreed again. He is following the path of least resistance and it plays very strongly in his favor when the final custody decision is made. She is going to have a very big problem if the psychologist recommends full joint custody and she persists with the current petition.
She wants him clean and fit to get joint custody if he follows the rule she has not problem she wants what is best for the kids wellbeing
I’m not sure I believe that this was some kind of intervention from her. Certainly not from that “family health” statement. There are wiser ways to get a co-parent to clean up than this public circus. And whatever strains there were between himself and the kids, putting them through the microscope of a public custody battle cant be good. But if her intention was to get Brad cleaned up and he is clean then mission accomplished. It shouldnt matter to her that people aint buying it.
Well, standard or not. Problem is it seems to make Pitt look guilty although there is no evidence of anything wrong with him. Pitt seems to have voluntarily agreed to such conditions and he wasn’t forced to do that.
I mean even here many people seem to think that there is some problem with Pitt. What if there isn’t? Then this whole thing is more like a giant smear campaign.
Stop with the villainizing of Angelina. She has never once said that she wants full custody and never let Brad see the children.
She only requested he sort out his alcohol abuse and clean up.
It seems to me that Angelina and maybe Brad’s parents have tried unsuccessfully to get him to rehab and things got out of hands.
There is a reason why it seems that Brad’s family is supporting Angelina.
Who knows – they may one day get back together after Brad has sorted out this mess and regained his children’s and Angelina’s trust again.
The document say he has to do individual therapy and group therapy and he has to report to the doctor that he participated these therapy are all relate to drug and alcohol
Where is there any evidence that Pitt family is * supporting Angelina *? All the gushing Jolie did over the years about PItt does not add up to this dramatic explosion. Something got her mad relating to him, not concerned about * the children * . If there was evidence of some abuse, of course, that is serious but he keeps getting cleared. There is definitely behind-the-scenes that is being left out that would make this add up. Right now, it doesnt.
What have you read that hints Brad family is supporting Angelina?
Where is the evidence for substance abuse by Pitt? If there had been any substance abuse then the investigation wouldn’t have been closed.
Maybe she does know that she’ll end up getting joint custody, but she’s using sole custody as leverage to make sure that Brad gets his sh!t together.
I’m sure there will be lots of comments that Brad didn’t do anything because the FBI and Child Services closed their cases. But not guilty doesn’t mean innocent. Something had to happen on the plane along with going issues over time. I can’t imagine that they need so much therapy and Brad agreeing to supervised visitation and drug testing if nothing happened. I don’t buy the “not fighting for the kids to make it easier for them argument”. They’re his kids. Why would he be so accommodating if he did nothing wrong?
Exac. Why would the court order weekly random drug testing if he was already cleared of everything?
This therapist specializes in “extreme parental conflict” and parent/child conflict. This family definitely needs it to make their way through this difficult public divorce.
I agree that this family seems to be very conflicted. Volatile relationship between the husband and wife, possibly effecting the children, and perhaps, volatility between the father and eldest male child.
Honestly, I think that it is great that they are all in therapy. Could accidentally be the best thing for them.
The investigation was closed because they couldn’t find anything. If they had found any evidence that Pitt had any kind of substance abuse issues then the courts would have issued orders to protect the children. Courts are VERY quick to force addicted parents into therapy or rehab. The FBI and the Child Protection Services didn’t just question Pitt but also nannies and employees and witnesses. And they didn’t find ANYTHING.
And believe me, drug abuse leaves physical signs. Increased size of liver. Certain blood markers and more.
The closing of the investigation does pretty much mean that there is no problem with Pitt.
My bet is that those drug tests will show he has not drug abuse issues and then, when his divorce from Angie is finalized he will work on improving his image again. And perhaps he might leave some comments on the strategy how his ex-wife kicked him out of the family and ostracised him from his own children. Because that is what is happening right now. What are those kids supposed to think? That Daddy is a bad guy and that because he is bad there must be a shrink in attendance when Daddy visits them.
This is a temp custody deal, not an order? So the court is not compelling brad? Bc to me it sounds like the monitored visits are parent coaching for brad while family therapy helps the kids adjust to the divorce. Wish them all the best.
Ncoah…stupid ol me keeps thinking as soon as there’s silence between these two it means they’re working things out..sigh….Anyways I feel for the kids I don’t think there’s “A winner”here…
I know you Brad stans are having a hard time with this, but what I clearly get out of al of this is that there IS some substance to the “Brad has issues” narrative. I know people love to call Angelina the evil manipulative bitch–and hey, that may or may not be true, i don’t know her personally–but it doesn’t change the decision made by people in the know (aka DCFS, lawyers, psychs etc). Authorities don’t just make these arrangements because the mother is a hot bitch.
http://people.com/movies/what-angelina-jolies-newest-court-filing-means-for-her-custody-dispute-with-brad-pitt/
Yep!
The Authorities didn’t make these arrangements.
The arrangement is an agreement between Jolie and Pitt and it makes Pitt look bad.
This makes me so sad. And turning Angelina in to the villain of this piece just makes me mad. As for TMZ we know what side they are on from the beginning. Levin got his nose out of joint because his source at Wassers office shut him down. Plus they are all idiots over at TMZ anyway. Bless Angelina and the kids and praying for the family.
The TMZ story has come from Ian halperin. He wrote this garbage for the daily mail two mths ago. Word for word exactly the same. He is the unnamed source to tmz on this one.
They are claiming several well placed sources and whatever you might think of TMZ they do usually break their own stories. It is common for the Mail to regurgitate TMZ stories but not the other way around.
TZM has to check its stories. Because otherwise their pants would be sued off 😉
I thought I heard the story make rounds before but didn’t know it came from this guy Halperin. I hope TMZ is not using him as a source if so they really are digging at the bottom of the barrel, yikes.
I hope they all come out of this not hating one another.
Maybe not hate but they clearly lost all respect for each other.
Now his team can’t say she keeping the kids from him when he go on vacation and relax
As is not her doing is up to the kids and the therapist to decide
I think she is annoyed by the “Angelina won’t let me see the kids” narrative so she officially filed the docs to let people know that she is not in control of visitation schedule.
Yup, end that right now, because you know he was gearing up for an Xmas repeat of ‘she won’t let me see the kids.’ It won’t stop TMZ from running that story anyway, and the believers will buy it.
Drugs and alcohol have already destroyed many stable families. apparently this family was just another victim.
Random drugs and alcohol tests 4 times in a month is only made if the person has serious addiction problems.
Good point. But then what would you do to prove that you didn’t have a drug problem? I don’t know whether he has a problem or not but it’s a circular argument.
They were such a gorgeous, glamorous couple. Sigh.
Hope it all works out for the best.
Is anyone else uncomfortable with having the name of the psychologist made public? It just seems unnecessary . This is really not a situation where the public needs to know these details.
Most court records are public information. The psychologist probably does not mind the free publicity.
I know court documents are public information
but they can be sealed. I just don’t think everything should be tabloid fodder.
And I doubt that he’s going to be thrilled when various crazy Brad and Angie stans contact him relentlessly.
you would think his team would request to seal all docs?
Sealing the docs would prevent him from touting his narrative. This divorce is just as much a PR battle as it is a legal proceeding.
@Bearcatlawyer Is she not able to request that they be sealed for some reason?
I think neither of them has tried to get them sealed because it will look like they’re trying to hide something showing that they’re the “bad guy” in the situation. They seem to BOTH care deeply about their public images.
Hopefully after this they can both grow up and move to seal the documents. The public knowing the kids’ therapist? That’s not good for anyone involved.
She could, but it serves her legal and PR interests to have these restrictions as public record. For example, she wants people to report if they see Brad using drugs or trying to see the kids without authorization. It also reinforces her story that Brad is the one with the problems, not her or the kids.
I agree bearcat. What really bothers me is they BOTH seem so concerned with their public image and it is this public disclosure that damages the children the most. Wish they would sort it out privately and put their own images aside for the sake of the kids.
PEOPLE is so pro-Brad however none of their sources could deny both parties signed an agreement in October that’s still in place. And they couldn’t back up tabloid BS Angelina is keeping the kids from Brad, because both are following recommendations made by therapists. I think she refiled because of all the nasty stories being printed in the media about her blocking Brad from seeing their kids. Brad was cleared by the FBI and DCFS. But, I don’t think he would have agreeded to this document and still have it ongoing entire month after he was cleared if it was something else going on within the family dynamic.
@Paige. Thank you! Underneath all the pro Brad sources’ shade is the undeniable fact that the therapist finds it necessary to monitor Brad’s access to his children, and his drug use. I am waiting for TMZ to begin discrediting the doctor, or arguing that Angelina the demoness is also controlling the doctor.
I don’t think People was ever trying to invalidate the details of the agreement, they were making the argument that it was the same agreement signed in October and the same agreement she released a statement about before it was announced the DCFS were closing the investigation.
Brad’s side seems to be arguing that nothing has changed since October and there was no legal need to file this agreement. But People is definitely on his side here. I was surprised at how aggressively they went after her with sources calling it spin and manipulation. They usually don’t publish things that will piss off a celebrity.
Yes, people magazine were trying to invalidate the agreement a month ago when Angelina’s lawyer released a statement about the custody agreement. They released that statement because of Tmz’s slanderous pro Brad article at the time.
They took Brad Pitt’s “anonymous” sources side over Angelina’s spokesperson & lawyer. Now she filed it to enforce the agreement and it turns out her side was telling the truth the entire time.
People is still pissed because Angelina refused to sign on to their Most Beautiful cover. So for spite they gave it to Not most beautiful Aniston. Angelina has no use for tabloids and People is a tabloid.
Errr… doubtful… Angelina managed to get the End of Year Double Issue cover when Unbroken was released.
And she will definitely go to People when she has something to promote professionally (and possibly personally). Brad, on the other hand froze out Vanity Fair and they remain frozen out.
If I hadn’t been abusive to my children AND didn’t have a substance abuse issue or anger issues.The day I was cleared by Children Protective Services AND the FBI,I would have filed papers to have unsupervised visits with my kids. Why in the Hell is he still following an agreement that was signed in October when he was still under investigation? A divorce can take months and months.How long is he going to accept this arrangement of seeing his kids for a few hours with a monitor, when he has been cleared?
Also why the Hell is he still taking FOUR random drug and alcohol test a month? My cousin is on parole and only gets randomly tested ONCE a month so why is Brad Pitt peeing in a cup four times a month? Help me understand what’s going on?
We’re not getting the bigger picture, maybe it is a compromise between them
Something bad happened in the plane and kids still resent him
BJ…I agree…FOUR DRUG TESTS A MONTH! That really seems excessive, unless, Brad had a much bigger problem than anyone thought!
My partner just finished alcohol rehab, and he gets tested every week as part of his ongoing treatment. He doesn’t mind, since he views it as an extra measure of accountability.
Perhaps Brad is in the same situation?
That’s the feeling I’m getting. Nobody who has been cleared would be ordered to submit to all that random testing. Something does not compute.
I don’t know if he has a problem or not but IF you didn’t have a drug problem, how else could you prove it other than by undergoing regular drug testing?
It sounds to me like he is bending over backwards to meet and exceed the courts expectations. Things were so messy with the investigations, he’s trying to go above and beyond now.
I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Obviously there are some substance abuse issues there, so getting sober and holding himself accountable is a good thing for all involved.
I agree Lucy2. It is a fact that Anjelina filed for sole physical custody in her divorce petition. It is in Brad’s best interest to build a mountain of documented evidence that he has been cooperative, accountable and drug free going into court for the actual divorce settlement.
I’m not sure how he’s bending over backward when he was flying all over the world for movie promotion AND taking a vacation.
on the flip side- Angelina had to put her Netflix movie on hold -couldn’t finish it and cancel all humanitarian trips while he flutters around for work and play time.
YepIsaidIt –
Well, she currently has physical custody – he could be sitting at home and she would STILL have to cancel and put things on hold.
As Erinn said, Angelina has sole custody right now, and his time with the kids is very limited. What is he supposed to do in the meantime? I would think keeping himself occupied is important in regaining sobriety.
The movie promotion is a job requirement. When it was rumored that he wasn’t going to do it, people called him unprofessional.
Lucy2, according to the docs there is A LOT for him to do which he obviously could not do while he’s flying around the world for promotion and vacationing. She has public proof that he hasn’t completed the steps he agreed on. He’s too busy working and “resting and relaxing” on vacation.
People magazine now says he was sooo sad that he had to spend thanksgiving away from his kids but they are the ones who “confirmed” his relaxing and restful vacation on thanksgiving. LoL
Also I’m sure it’s a requirement for Angelina to finish her Netflix movie but she chose her kids over work.
I think he’s thinking about the bigger picture. More documentation detailing his point of view about the family dynamics, versus an Angelina-filtered interpretation, couldn’t hurt him.
Parole is different and it probably depends on your drug of choice. Once a month is more than adequate for street and prescription drugs with recreational value. If you aren’t allowed to drink on parole you get one of those alcohol detecting ankle monitors. In a urine test alcohol metabolites can now be found two to three days afterwards so 4 times a month would mean he demonstrably hadn’t drank 12 days out of the month and with random testing that’s probably sufficient.
People has a family law specialist saying that this agreement is actually better for Brad from a legal standpoint. Months of clean tests and positive reports from the supervised visits prove he deserves joint physical custody. I imagine it’s very difficult for him to not do what you’re saying you’d do, but the ends justify the means.
It makes perfect sense to agree to these arrangements if one has a past history of drug use and/or alcohol abuse but is currently clean and sober. Just because DCFS closed the investigation without action does not mean Brad is innocent. It only means DCFS had no justification for intervening in the parent-child relationship at this time OR they did not uncover adequate evidence of abuse or neglect requiring legal proceedings. If Brad attempted to violate the prior agreement he voluntarily entered into with Angelina or moved in court for unsupervised visitation while divorce proceedings are pending, Angelina would almost certainly fight him. In that case she could force him to testify about all of his past drug and alcohol use and present the testimony of witnesses and documentary evidence of his substance abuse and treatment. His doctors and therapists could be required to testify, although most would likely invoke the physician/therapist-patient privilege. Brad does not want any part of that, not only because it might impact his ability to obtain joint custody in the future and his PR but it could also affect his ability to work as an actor. Insurance companies do not like to insure actors struggling with drug and alcohol issues. No insurance = no filming. Moreover, the court could easily require the kids to testify about what they saw Brad use or instances of his dangerous or frightening behaviour too, which means that the kids would be subject to cross-examination. No decent parent would put their kids through that, and no matter how delicately kids are handled in court, no one emerges unscathed. (Personally I HATE it when I must take testimony from kids or question them. Not only can I never really be sure if they understand the seriousness of the situation and the need to only tell the truth as opposed to their opinions or perceptions, I also never know how much their testimony is shaped by their parents.)
I am sure you’re right about insurance companies but it doesn’t seem to apply as much to mega stars like Depp, so might not be such an issue for Pitt. If he has a serious problem, it hasn’t started overnight and he’s been working pretty solidly, so maybe we can assume insurance hasnt been a problem to date.
Also she postponed her film to August the release was scheduled in February
@Paige..Thank you.
What I don’t get about the London thing is the way people think that moving to London is this big thing that will really keep Pitt from his kids. Do people not realize that he is rich as F and can afford a house in London too, so even if she moves there he can still be with his kids? Do people not realize he doesn’t have to live in LA for his career? He is in a position that very few actors are in. He can Skype with major movers and shakers to get things done. He doesn’t have to be in LA to audition for roles, hell he doesn’t have to audition for roles period. It not like living away from the States will keep him from his friends in family since he has the means to fly anywhere whenever he wants. The last 12 years of his life he had no problem hopping from country to country, so he can remain doing that for his kids if they move to England.
If anything he should be happy that Jolie finally decided on one place she wants to mainly/permanently raise the kids, since he use to say that he wants to give them a home base. Anyone believing this Jolie is moving to London to keep poor Pitt from his kids is on some bs because this man has so many resources and connections that nothing in his professional life would in anyway impair him from being an active and present part of his kids lives. If he isn’t in their lives that’s because he doesn’t want to be. That’s it.
@jinni…PREACH!
He is playing a PR game but is not helping his kids
*If he isn’t in their lives that’s because he doesn’t want to be. That’s it.*
Finally, some common sense.
I never believed Angie kept Brad from seeing the kids on Thanksgiving. The way she is being savaged in the tabloids, she doesn’t need them piling on with false stories about her not letting him see them on major family holidays. Brad is all about his image and right now his image is the doting father being separated from his children by his mean, spiteful wife. He gets the sympathy and she gets the blame and he’s free to spend the holiday hanging with with his friends and basking in the tabloids’ adulation. Talk about having your cake and eating it too. He’s not focused on what’s best for the kids at all. He’s solely focused on what’s best for his image and the tabloids are lapping it up.
Gosh Jinni stop being so logical and making so much sense. Let’s focus on what’s really important here and that is evil, manipulative Angelina and her plan to wrestle the children away from their poor hapless father.
This moving to London story is just Pitt’s PR trying to change the conversation from the fact that he willingly signed documents agreeing to monitored visits with the children and frequent drug/alcohol testing. He’s just sore the public gets to see what’s behind the Midwestern corn fed, Apple pie eating golden boy facade.
So despite divorcing, Brad is still compelled to travel to places that entirely Angelina’s choice? Really?
Really?
Because it seems that the kids established roots in CA, whereas England… not so much.
Almost every place the kids have lived in the last few years is because of Brad’s career choices.They were in England when he filmed WWZ and parts of Allied.He is supposed to film WWZ2 soon which will also be in England. They have spent more time abroad than in California primarily due to him making movies.Besides the Cambodia film,his filming schedule has dictated where their “roots” are.
@Bj
‘Convenient’ omissions of Maleficant, Unbroken in Australia, By the Sea in Malta and FTKMF in Cambodia.
pwal,
My complete conjecture is that the constant travelling because of the schedule of both parents has not been the “enlightening” experience for them all that is has been billed as. I think that either one or both parents, certainly an aging Brad, found it stressful which placed stress on their relationship. Either one or both could have opted limit their travelling but did not.
I also think the traveling with growing children particularly teenagers caused problems. Sometimes Mom is there and her rules are enforced, sometimes Dad and his rules, and, sometimes, the latest caregiver and his/her rules. That is a lot of leeway and wiggle room for teens.
Again, just my conjecture.
I’m not even convinced London is actually her end game. She’s never shown a reluctance to live in LA.
You’re right on Jinni. I think this is all public relation machinations in a very ugly bitter divorce. Yesterday she filed a totally unnecessary court document reiterating the same info we had in October. The only purpose I can see is to continue to publicly reflect negatively on Brad. Today his team responds by suggesting her master plan all along was to pursue a UN career in London and keep the kids with her, away from him. Round and round we go.
Lady T :The only purpose I can see is to continue to publicly reflect negatively on Brad. Today his team responds by suggesting her master plan all along was to pursue a UN career in London and keep the kids with her, away from him. Round and round we go.
More like she’s sick of all the hit pieces written about her that says she’s keeping the kids from Brad. She filed a few days after Page Six and other publications made sob stories about Brad not seeing the kids on Thanksgiving and Angelina being the evil villainess that stopped him from seeing the kids. And I hope Brad’s team isn’t behind that TMZ story because it makes him look stupid.
Sure. There were sad Brad stories over Thanksgiving. Probably her filing was in response. Like I said- round and round we go. I didn’t mean to imply I don’t think Brad can see his kids in London. Jinni articulated that well. Nevertheless I do think that his team is putting out info to attempt to make her look bad just like she does him. I do not think Angelina is an evil villainess nor do I think Brad is perfection. I do think this situation has been handled poorly at the price of the children involved.
The London stuff is probably tabloid nonsense or PR games, but either way, you’re totally right that if that’s where they settle down, both parents can afford to have homes there and travel as needed for work.
I would imagine he has to agree to them moving overseas though, as he likely will get some sort of shared custody.
No, I think the London stuff was about her alleged desire to become a member of the House of Lords, which is in London. This is related to her work with william Hague who is a member of the Lords and her 2 british women friends/colleagues (can’t remember their names).
If the London story is true, I have lost all respect for AJ.
Did you read the story because it makes not sense at all
Again:
1. The headquarters of the United Nations in New York City, NY (why move to London?).
2. The current Secretary-General is Ban Ki-moon, who took office on 1 January 2007.
3. António Guterres has been officially appointed to the next Secretary-General (after Ban Ki-moon steps down on 31 December 2016).
4. Some customs have evolved in relation to the process, e.g., the appointee may not be a citizen of any of the Security Council’s five permanent members (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, and United States).
5. Angelina Jolie is an American citizen.
#Note: Ban Ki-moon is from South Korea and António Guterres is from Portugal (i.e., countries that are NOT permanent members of the UN Security Council).
6. People in that possition has a large trajectory on international law, an academic preparation, diplomatic formation, previous experience on national embassies, etc.
Come on. Dou you think that she did wake up a morning and say now i want to be Secretary General of UN? Ridiculous
Please see above comment-the London link is about the House of Lords because as you say this makes no sense.
Monitored visits are actually quite damaging to children, so the judge must feel very strongly that Brad would be even more damaging to the children without them.
At one point in my own custody battle, my ex said he wanted my visits monitored and the mediator exclaimed “Do you know how damaging monitored visits are to children?!” He was upset because I was letting her paint her nails. *gasp*
Crumpet… This is interesting because I wondered this myself when this all began. I wondered if there was a possibility that all this therapy and questions etc was actually more damaging to the kids than sitting down with mom and dad and explaining things (and admitting any wrong etc), saying it’s going to be okay, everyone cleaning up their acts, and moving forward in positivity.
I never personally went thru anything like this… So I don’t know… But it seemed like it could prolong issues to me.
It wasn’t the judge who ordered monitored visits. It was a mutual agreement between Jolie and Pitt.
I wonder which roles Arminka Helic and Chloe Dalton have in their divorce.
Oh God…
The story about the 2 english ladies started with fans speculations (brad fans). Poor women. The most misogynist speculation. Only brad and angie have roles in their divorce
I wonder which roles drugs and alcohol have in their divorce
Be that as it may, the foundation is called unorthodox in a Vogue piece from 2015 , in a pro AJ article. http://www.vogue.com/13357646/angelina-jolie-pitt-november-2015
AJ pays each of them 300 000 pounds per year.
I think at this point a rep needs to come out & explain what has been required from both of them & what they continue to have to do from therapists & dcfs. So much is being speculated & completely made up, that the truth is being lost anongst the pile. Just be clear and to the point instead of vague statements. That way tabloids can’t profit from it & they can protect their family from all the nonsense.
@ Libra girl..How is she a bitch for wanting to move on with her life post-divorce? Pitt certainly did not mind being away from his children for much of 2016, even choosing to spend Fathers Day at Le Mans. Sorry, I am not buying Brad’s new found devotion to fatherhood. This is ALL about preserving Hollywood’s favourite son’s image.
If Brad manages to to be named a joint managing conservator of the kids (which is likely unless he has a serious drug or alcohol problem), a family court judge is NOT going to let Angelina move to London. No way, Jose.
Good and I hope he doesn’t allow Brad to either. That means world war. Can be scrapped. The first movie sucked.
I don’t think the press & public realize that once child services enter your life, it’s hard to get them out of it. All the hoops you have to jump through is what seems to be misunderstood. They are thinking angelina is out to get brad, when in fact they are both doing what is asked of them. They are trying to get from one stage to the other while the tabloids are using this for their own narrative.
I was pro-Angelina until this. It’s known Wasser/her office leaks to TMZ (see the Johnny Depp divorce, with the constant smearing of Amber re TMZ) and ok, sure, leak that Brad is taking weekly tests for drugs and alcohol.
But all the other stuff, most of all, the *doctor’s name*? No. Just no.
I get that she wants full custody, but the kids have been through so much and this is putting them in the spotlight in a way they shouldn’t be.
Just the thought of the paparazzi camping outside of the doctor’s office makes me shudder.
So who leaked the story that she is moving to London for a UN job when the UN is not in London?
Who leaked a story that she wants to be UN Secretary General when she can never be eligible for that position since she is a U.S. citizen.Even if she became a British citizen she would be disqualified for that position?
It wasn’t a leak. She filed the initial agreement to enforce it and tmz found it. Actually the fans saw that she filed a stipulation and order before the media did. Lol
Also, wasser has obviously not been talking to tmz as they are anti Angelina.
People don’t seem to remember that Brad Pitt and Harvey Levine are friends. Brangelina fans used to brag about how they used to play tennis together.
People don’t seem to remember that Brad Pitt and Harvey Levine are friends. Brangelina fans used to brag about how they used to play tennis together.
@YepIsaidIt. Wait a second! I have no idea about it… Now, all is more clear to me. Brad is playing PR games really hard. But not a complete shock, he is soooo hollywood. Insane.
Maybe Brad had had enough of all the travel and really wanted the children to be settled in America.
Also, with the drug testing, maybe there were substance abuse issues; if not, he’s agreeing so he can share custody.
Read the documents. Brad failed to do what the agreement said he would do and that’s why Angelina had to file the agreement – to enforce it. She obviously wants this all to be over and Brad dragging his feet on the agreements is wasting her time. She can’t work and she can’t do humanitarian work- her children are trapped in therapy until he gets it together as well.
He was filming in englan for several months. He travel a lot, too. France, Crotia, Germany all trips in 2016.
If that was the case he wouldn’t be filming WWZ2 in England in early 2017.
He had enough of traveling, so everybody has to stop?
Her people have already denied the London story. The one who wants to move to London is Brad so that he can film World war Z. His Pr team is sleazy – anything to take focus off the fact that he has to do all that stuff to be around his kids.
Also, that is not new it’s the same agreement her lawyer talked about a month ago that everyone tries to deny even tho it was coming from her lawyer but the “anonymous” sources on Brad side are more believable I guess.
She is “enforcing” this agreement because Brad has obviously not been living up to that agreement. Angelina has had to put all of her work on hold because he’s not doing what he agreed to do.
There is so much spin for his sorry a– because people refuse to believe is whole image was fake.
TMZ did not posted the paper but the agreement is not good for Brad
https://cdn-media.extratv.com/2016/12/05/jolie-pitt-custody-papers.pdf
This look like he has to do some kind of AA individually and group therapy
Of course they didn’t post it. Look at the articles from tmz And People magazine when Angelina’s lawyer released that statement about a custody agreement. Both people and tmz were denying it and it turned out to be true. They are both spinning for Brad Pitt like they spin for Donald Trump.
Obviously something serious happened. Children don’t need 5 therapist just because…
Interesting, thanks.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Maybe the kids would rather be with him so she’s making it as ugly as possible. Im being the devils advocate. All of this just seems so over the top. It should be done with more privacy for the sake of the kids but a narcissist doesnt see it that way. Its all about “them”.
Woman scorned? She left him. He was the one the tabloids said was all crying and devastated. His team has been hitting back at her in every way they know how.
Do you believe everything you read in a tabloid?
Do you believe everything you read on Female First?
And thanks be that the authorities are helping her vengeful scorned ass, eh? Thanks be. So glad that evil Angie has the power over the court and justice system, the great sense to want to run the UN and house of lords, and also forced bp to act in such a way that her minions (the American justice system) are holding him accountable for her magical and evil powers.
Yup. Sure glad I can see the forest for the trees.
Money buys everything.
I think he has more money than she does.
Brad Pitt Net Worth $240M
Angelina Jolie $160M
rofl. thanks, joannie, for the laughs.
you are a card, kid!
Releasing this information is downright messed up. Rude even. lol
All this does is verify in my mind that Brad really was off the rails. It’s not as easy as people think it is to get that kind of protective custody.
All brad has to do is come out and say.” Yes i have some issues but i’m dealing with them,to be the best parent i can be” he won’t be judged. He could run over a basket of puppies & the press & public would be “poor brad”, ” he must of had his reasons”. If he just owned up to his mistakes a lot of this quietens down. That way the press can’t profit from demonizing angelina & they are left to heal through therapy.
Molly __ You are asking too much. Almost 3 months later… he never will do that.
The best I can think is he is an addict and still in denial about his drinking problems and I think that’s why she reinforced the agreement with the court it was voluntary before now is mandatory
If he is how come they didnt sent him to something to get help or announce him guilty of being under the influence and do things or a possible tendency of a kind?
I think Angie has a bit of control issues and act she owns the kids even before the divorce not that im saying he is has no fault for it to fail out like this …
The situation should be determined by the the third party who cares for kids current and future needs not by movie stars who care about their own image as much imo
Maybe he doesn’t actually have any issues to come out and admit?
Yeah, DCFS just randomly recommended all of the rules in the agreement just for the hell of it– or I know – they did it because Angelina forced them with her wicked spells🙄 Then she cast a spell on the judge to force him to sign the stipulation. Poor Brad was duped by Angelina’s wicked ability to cast spells on DCFS, a judge, 5 therapists and all 6 kids.
Btw, the document says “safe harbor therapy” which means she has no control over the therapy and can’t sit in on sessions like people magazine claims. But she’s so powerful she’ll find her way in there to make the kids trash poor Brad the innocent.
This whole thing makes me so sad…I was such a Brangeloonie! I thought they were perfect for each other and for their kids. When AJ’s Mom died, and when she had the surgeries, she said how wonderful Brad had been. And, when they got married, Brad had that stone made, with her Mom’s name or something on it. It all seemed so romantic and magical. Funny enough, like a movie! I really think, whatever the problems that have arisen, have done so in the past year. They looked ecstatic when they got married. I’m sure, that none of us know what happened. I can’t believe AJ would dump Brad for substance abuse. I would think she would at least try and get him help first. Or, maybe she had tried and he was resistant. However, I feel like there are more “shocking” developments to come….
I think they were a real couple but mismatched from the start.
agreed, sadly.
I too think that they were a real couple. I do think that by the time they married, they were already both ready to get out of the relationship. I think it was one of those attempts to satisfy their children and give it the last big try.
Also, I agree that there are probably plenty of “shocking” developments throughout their relationship, both with each other and their children. I say shocking only because, like most people, they presented their “public faces” and never aired their dirty laundry. Most people have some and they aren’t immune. The “bestest mommy and daddy, biggest lurve story” of all time bit always made me skeptical. That’s just unrealistic for anyone. I’m sure for a time they were happy campers and then they just were not.
Last of all, I sincerely hope we don’t get any more “shocking” information. I would love from a gossip standpoint but, because of the kids, just nope.
Brad has all the tabs in his corner.
I never thought they were perfect for each other for long time no not the past year alone. Still its sad they come to this. But no I don’t think they should be back together. It doesnt look like it anyway wating for custody and divorce proceeds and what seems like I’m right you are wrong way.
” Meaning, he’ll get joint custody in the end. I have to think that Angelina knows that too?”
Color me naive but that sounds like a win win to me and I believe Angelina wants a healthy Brad around THEIR children. She just doesn’t want an unhealthy Brad around them.
Good golly, I love how people speculate on stories they have no idea about, shouldn’t we be worried about our lives instead of these rich people that have chosen to put their life in the public? Instead of acting like teenagers gossiping. No it’s her fault, no it’s his. Maybe fault is somewhere with both. Now I’m speculating!
I think the two of them need to swallow their pride & work together to stop the media & press taking full control of this sad situation. Release a statement together saying that the media have done nothing but lie & interfere & that they are not in some kind of battle with each other & that they support each other. They need to take control back.
Re @FriendOf
Whoa. Chelsea Handler is that you? Melissa Etheridge?
This post is a nasty piece of work.
You ladies want to see why Hillary lost?
Exhibit A is right here.
Angelina has no educational background. None. Nada. So other than being appointed to some sort of an honorary position with the U.N. it is doubtful she would ever hold a position of any real merit within that organization.
What she has is a lot of real world and on-the-job-training and experience, which often counts as much if not moreso than book learning.
@Deeanna
First of all, to say Angelina Jolie has “no educational background,” is categorically false. You may not agree that her level of education is sufficient but that’s different than “nada.”
Her net worth has been estimated btw $160-250 mil, so when you’re tracking upwards of a quarter billion, I’d say you’ve done pretty well for yourself.
That said, and as @Stella points out, she has more than 15 years of training, field and job experience and was nominated to Council on Foreign Relations where she served at least 2 yrs as a junior member. Sure Angelina has about 3 NYU college semesters less than Bill Gates, but Brad Pitt has about 3 more years of college education than Gates. Let that marinate.
Bottomline, Angelina isn’t an “honorary” anything with the UN- the UN themselves believes she has “merit” within the organization else she wouldn’t have been a UNHCR and then promoted to a Special Envoy three years ago. In case you don’t know what that is: they are “senior United Nations officials appointed by the UN Secretary-General to deal with a set of specific issues.”
I don’t why the same ol’ usual suspects insist on demeaning such an accomplished young woman, year in and year out even as she ranks with Oprah, Hillary and Michelle Obama on all those world influential and admired lists. If the Pope, the Queen of England and her own Industry – think she brings enormous value, dedication, hard work, influence and results re humanitarianism, it seems like you might want to get on board as well…?
Or, keep reading Star Magazine, Female First and InTouch.
Whatever floats your boat.
@dana, they are arguably the most famous people in the world their marital and relationship has been “public” since before day one.
That said, you’ve used the word “accusation(s),” pertaining to Brad’s possible alcohol/substance problem several times. Do you really think he’d be agreeing to any of this if he didn’t also think he had issues?
Angelina doesn’t appear to be “fighting hard,” to me. Against what and who is she “fighting hard?” Certainly not Brad. He seems to be following the court orders and counseling, to perhaps get himself together -and the whole family is right there trying to heal as well.
Look I get that women want this to NOT be a Brad substance abuse/alcohol problem that has grown out of hand. It’s a lot sexier and more of a comeuppance for Angelina in their mean girl minds if she’s been cheated on and/or if Brad’s tired of her and wants out ala Rachel Green.
It ruins their fantasies when Angelina is the one calling shots, acting an adult and trying to get Brad together and heal her family from a possible alcohol addiction.
The latter doesn’t mean Brad wants out, it may mean Brad is wrecked and Angelina wants out or it may mean they both are devastated at how their lives devolved into this and either want to fix it or heal and move on.
But to claim again, that Angelina is gas lighting or fighting or warring- assumes Brad doesn’t agree that he has issues with alcohol. How do you know he doesn’t. It’s not an ‘accusation’ if the person you’re accusing confirms that its actually a thing.