Just before Christmas, Brad Pitt took a massive swipe at Angelina Jolie through a court filing. Brad and Angelina had been bitching at each other through their lawyers about the temporary custody arrangement and whether their divorce and custody records should be sealed. Brad’s lawyers argued that of course everything should be sealed, because Angelina was making Brad look awful. Angelina’s lawyer argued that sure, the records could be sealed, but Angelina still wants to maintain sole temporary custody and a lot of other stuff. Brad’s lawyers got an emergency hearing to seal the records, and they were denied, although a court date is coming up in a few weeks and the records will likely be formally sealed then.
Anyway, Brad filed a statement with the court wherein he completely bashed Angelina as having “no self-regulating mechanism” when it comes to releasing information about their kids. Sources close to Jolie slapped right back, saying that Pitt’s statement was just a “press move” designed to bash Jolie, and that Jolie had already agreed to and signed an agreement to seal their records. Well, here’s an update on that situation.
Angelina Jolie is down with sealing documents in her divorce and custody case, but she’s going after Brad in a big way, saying if the kids have been damaged it’s all his doing.
Angelina just filed legal docs saying she agrees with Brad, their business should be kept private, but says it’s audacious of him to accuse her of airing their dirty laundry in public. According to legal docs, filed by Laura Wasser, Brad is lashing out because he’s “terrified that the public will learn the truth.”
Brad went ham on Angelina after she filed unsealed documents trying to prevent him from altering their custody arrangement, but in the new docs she says all he’s doing is trying to “deflect from [his] own role in the media storm which has engulfed the parties’ children.”
She goes on … “There is little doubt that [Brad] would prefer to keep the entire case private, particularly given the detailed investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Dept. of Children and Family Services into allegation of abuse.”
Short story … they’ve both agreed to seal the file, and they pretty much hate each other.
Well… okay. I’m particularly interested in this reference to “the detailed investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Dept. of Children and Family Services.” While media outlets widely reported that DCFS and the FBI closed their investigations and would not be charging Pitt with anything, is Jolie saying that the investigations did turn up some issues that she will be using in the custody battle? Or is Jolie saying that the mere fact that Pitt was being investigated by two agencies is bad enough? As for Brad being more concerned about his image than his children’s welfare… sure. I mean, we’ll see how all of this plays out in the coming months.
Here are some photos of Angelina arriving back in LA with the kids yesterday, after their holiday in Colorado. The message of these photos seems to be “look how drama-free a plane ride can be without Brad Pitt.”
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
I’m not finding either party likeable right now. I need to stop reading about their divorce. It just makes me sad for the kids.
I feel the same way.
Yup. It was nasty from get-go.
Me, too. Yes, he was investigated, but the investigations were closed. That’s definitely a press tactic of raising it again and again so that’s what stays fresh in people’s minds, even though he was never charged with anything. So sad that two people who have six kids together cannot try to get along for the sake of those kids. If anything is damaging the kids, it’s this.
If I were him, I would just state exactly what happened on that plane. Angie is smart, she knows its far more potent a weapon as a secret, that way she can leave it all to the imagination. Never mind that there’s no way he would have been cleared by DCFS for anything like the magnitude she insinuates. I know Brad isnt too smart but I hope one of his friends is and is explaining to him that although it may be embarrassing to admit that you were intoxicated and raging, it is miles ahead of what she keeps very slyly insinuating.
I’m also turned off by both of them.
BUT…Have recently been called by CPS because relative was being investigated. Lots of bad things were happening in that household but nothing the caseworker could do anything about. Verbal abuse, drug use by the adults, disgusting messy house. Unless the kids had evidence physical or sexual abuse, or neglect of an extreme threshold ie no food, dirty clothing,, they won’t act. I’m not in CA, though.
The case ended up being closed. Doesn’t mean it’s a good household! And, there’s a lot of documentation of sh*tty parenting in the file.
Maddox is going to spill when he’s 18, I bet. Those kids will be writing books.
Yea well, I think the “damage to the kids,” has been done – and it was done via the incident on the plane. In fact, THAT damage is what they’re healing from now and seeing therapists over.
Further damage was done when Brad and his legal team refused to issue a statement and take responsibility for what he did on the plane – even as he saw his co-star dragged into his sh*t show and Angelina ridiculed to screams of ‘Karma!’
It seems his side ate that up for a good 2 weeks as a kind of deflection from his out of control behavior.
I said at the start, if it went down even remotely like people are claiming (drunk Brad raging at kid) Brad needed to do one simple thing: issue a statement that he loves his family, he’s sorry for what happened and that he will be getting help.
Instead, his team is deflecting AGAIN.
This time, i guess they think what worked for his ex for 12yrs, demonizing Angelina – can help keep his career and image afloat. Just muddy it up, and make it look like Angie and her reaction are now the problem. Make the issue not Brad and his substance abuse or anger or both and then some – but turn it into a ‘War of the Roses,’ for public consumption.
Then let them pick ‘teams.’
It’s like he’s hired Huvane.
Nameless….thank you for pointing this out. I adopted my daughter through foster care and I think it would astonish most people to know what it actually takes to terminate a parents rights or charge them. Just because they closed the case doesn’t mean he didn’t do anything bad.
Yes, thank you, Nameless. People act like child protective services are yanking kids out of their houses for any questionable parenting so clearly Brad didn’t do anything. Kids have to stay in lots of shitty situations. We’ve all heard stories about kids who end up in horrible circumstances (or worse, dead) even though CPS had been in the home multiple times, or the kids had been taken out and put back, etc., etc. I’ve said before that any child with an alcoholic parent has a pretty good idea of what it’s been like for those kids, and isn’t really surprised by how it’s turned out. Having a drunk jerk for a dad isn’t enough for him to be charged with anything, but that doesn’t mean he’s a great dad, either.
The lawyer only stated that the public don’t know the really details of the accident she is not saying he is guilty
What Ramona said. He should have stated up front exactly what happened on the plane, acknowledged that he was out of control and stated he has a problem he knows he needs help with. That night have de-fanged much of Angie’s current attack. But accusing her of airing his dirty laundry in public sounds like a pre-emptive strike gone wrong that could backfire all over him. Dirty pool is a game two people can play.
Like I continuously say, they are both leaking info to the media. Isn’t this article pretty much stating the obvious that AJ leaks info as well. They are both acting out of anger and bitterness towards each other. They need to shut it. I’m a fan of both I’m just glad that I’m not obsessed with them like some people are. They both are acting like a donkey”s ass.
V4Real: I agree with you. “Familiarity breeds contempt,” but that does not excuse either parent from airing their dirty laundry. Both are irresponsibly putting their feelings ahead of their children’s well-being. I, too, admire both for their work, but in this I do not sympathize with either one. Their selfishness speaks volumes for them as parents. I pity their children.
Frankly, I’m only a fan of people i admire. I only admire one of the people in this scenario. Brad’s lost me not because of what he did ( i was reserving judgement of his character mainly because i know addiction and alcoholism is a disease) – however his unwillingness to issue a statement taking any kind of responsibility for what happened – has made me reluctantly stop supporting him. I see him as weak now. Not a real man. He’s given other statements first hand to the press yet that one statement, admitting a mistake and blowing to mend his family (to thwart the awful tabloids and gossip attacks on his wife and family) he somehow can’t make.
I’ve heard such sh* coming from people who claim ‘to be a fan of both, ‘ lumping them together and making a moral equivalence between what Brad did and what Angelina is doing now.
This constant cries of ‘they’re both leaking,’ so i dislike them both equally, as if a court document that’s not sealed is equivalent to drug/alcohol testing/investigations and allegedly attacking your own child.
Ooookaaay.
Also, I’ve seen several weekly and tabloids rags – all of them have Brad’s sad face on them demo mixing Angelina. I haven’t seen one tabloids or weekly piece making Angelina and the kids the victim of Brad the alcoholic rager. I’ve seen plenty about the witch Angelina being so cruel to poor Brad.
So i don’t see these ‘leaks’ from Angie people speak of.
In fairness, because the tabloids and weeklies have maligned Angelina and attacked her for Brad leaving his ex (for roughly 12 years non-stop) – how would we even know what is being generated by Brad and what isn’t. She faces their wrath unabated whether she and Brad are together or whether they’re apart.
The media are leaking “info” to the media. It’s all bs. Unless it comes from their mouths, don’t believe it.
@Almondmilk
“I’ve heard such sh* coming from people who claim ‘to be a fan of both, ‘ lumping them together and making a moral equivalence between what Brad did and what Angelina is doing now”
I’m sure your responding to me since you posted under my thread and not the OP or others.
I am a fan of both. I’m just not a fanatic or obsessed with Brad or AJ like some of you are. I like them for their bodies of work, that’s it. I can be objective and not take sides as if these celebrities are my friend or I know them personally. But AJ’s hardcore fans can’t seem to be objective and only see one side of it (AJ’s side) as if they know her personally and she’s telling them every details of her life. Her hardcore fans only blames Brad for leaking info to the media when the ones who are able to be objective blames them both. Yet the ones being objective constantly get attacked by some of you.
Like I said this article points to AJ’s team leaking info. But of course her fans(hardcore fans) will probably say no this was Brad as well or this information is made up. Maybe most of you were only fans of Brad because he got with your idol. I bet if they got back together you would be a fan of his again. Because all be damned if you would admit that AJ made a mistake by taking him back.
None of us know exactly what happened in their relationship and we really don’t know what exactly went down on that plane. All we know is that an investigation followed and Brad was cleared. After that AJ filed for divorce.
They are both vile and not putting their kids first. One is no better than the other in this media game. Both their hands are dirty. It’s crazy how some people get so wrapped up in celebrities lives and get all up in arms when other people say something about them that they don’t like. If people don’t like AJ, that’s their problem, how does that effect your life? AJ doesn’t know or don’t give a damn about any of us. She definitely doesn’t need you defending her honor. She doesn’t even know you.
@v4real
I didn’t address you directly because you claimed to not read my posts anyway. Since we know that’s not true, I’ll gladly address you.. 🙂
I find it so funny that the few people who support the primary responsible custodial parent Angelina Jolie, get derided and *personally* attacked complete with hysterical finger waving that, ‘Angelina doesn’t care about me or know me.’
Inference being, why for the love GAWD must you defend Angelina against this tsunami of bitter smack downs she’d otherwise get uninterrupted??! Lol
While those that attack her or relentlessly try to make her actions morally equivalent to Brad’s never get so much as a gentle rebuke?
How about a…’Gee..you know Brad’s team DID give a tacit admission to an altercation with his child – maybe Angelina is pissed about what he did under the influence or not..maybe he’s pissed her off further by trying to weasel out of this modified rehab he signed off on…maybe if he kept his head down and did the work on himself and his family instead of talking about ‘self regulating mechanisms’ – maybe just MAYBE this might all work out.’
I mean i would think a supposed fan could see the reasonableness of that kind of musing…
But no, some women here are perfectly fine making her actions (in response to his F-up), the moral equivalent to his (despite not knowing the details of his behavior and the altercation with the child).
Even more telling, the blatant Angelina haters get no push back from you so called fans of both at all.
But who does get it?
The one person saying hold on a second, why are you kicking mom in the teeth?
Yea, from one fan to another…do better please.
All I am certain of is that he cheated on her.
Nobody goes full war with 6 kids in the mix because the husband dissolved into an alcoholic mess.
If DCFS and the FBI said no child abuse, then dragging this out in the press is damaging to the kids.
those kids need a vacation without either parent.
Wait, so you think a woman being cheated on is more viable of a reason (or the only reason) a woman would go this route and not because her partner dissolved into an alcoholic mess?????? That’s playing into the old backwards ideas about women being jealous and unfit.
Ummm…..I definitely don’t see the logic in there at all. Perhaps you don’t know what living with an alcoholic looks like, but I can safely say that for many, many women they can forgive cheating but will never, ever forgive a man threatening their children in an alcoholic rage. (not saying that happened but something DID happen,)
Right from the start, my impression was that he cheated. She is PISSED OFF and that is the only thing that reasonably explains it.
@Jem, so the only thing that can piss off a woman to take strong hard action is being cheated on? REALLY???
@littledarling, The FBI and DCFS said no child abuse.
If he was such a mess they would have said at least child endangerment and made a recommendation.
As this divorce has become messy and public… Angelina would have leaked that right away.
If you loved someone who became an alcoholic, there are quieter ways to handle that issue.
eh, I think I gotta agree with LD, here. I think that (as you said) dissolving into an alcoholic mess is actually a pretty good reason to end a marriage, esp if you think your kids are in danger.
that being said, I also think there may have been cheating. I think (as some on here have theorized) that he/they were unhappy for a while, their marriage was breaking down, and The Plane Incident was the final straw that made her move. I mean, according to what we’ve read, she had a house rented a month before she actually filed (after the plane) so I think she had been planning her exit, depending on how Pitt was managing his sh*t. I think they probably had had conversations about his alcohol/drug use/abuse, and he wasn’t improving his behavior so she bolted. for which no one should really blame her; if she thought her kids would be harmed (physically or emotionally), she did the right thing as a mother to keep them safe. sad all around.
Just because the FBI and CPS said there was no child abuse doesn’t mean that he wasn’t an alcohlic mess. Two separate things, one being harder to prove and when proven doesn’t necessarily mean ongoing abuse, but also doesn’t mean a lack of potential abuse, or abusive moments.
But when you said that cheating MUST be the reason she’s going full force because “no one goes full war with 6 kids in the mix just because the father dissolives into an alcoholic mess” that is the statement I have issue with, because it seems like that would be the ONLY reason a woman with 6 kids would go like this.
Watching a capable person dissolve into an alcoholic mess leans way more heavily then having your heartbroken, in my opinion.
It’s just this idea that you’re playing into that the only time a woman will go full throttle is because she’s been cheated on. It makes her an angry woman who wants REVENGE and will use her children to get said revenge by making up stories or embellishing the truth over anything else, including her children’s right to have a good relationship with their father.
Sorry, I just can’t endorse that line of thinking.
Woaa… I’m glad Little darling jumped in already.
“Nobody” goes full war because husband became an alcoholic mess? Well, I don’t have 6 children, but I also don’t have Angelina’s means, and I would! Yes, probably faster than if he cheated on me, because cheating concerns only me – children don’t have to know, he didn’t cheat on them (I mean, I understand there are consequences, etc., but the immediate aftermath of cheating – it’s about the couple). But being a drunk mess? Even if he is not abusive, I wouldn’t want my children to see their father like that, I wouldn’t want them to think that it is normal to drink that much, I would constantly worry about him supervising the kids while buzzed/hung over, about him setting the house on fire by falling asleep with a cigarette, about him driving the kids (I know Brangelina definitely have a driver, but I don’t).
No, the FBI and DCFS investigations did NOT say there was no abuse. What they said was that they closed their investigation. An investigation can be closed for a lot of reasons including cooperation from both parties. In the case of child abuse, the goal is to end the abuse. Not to take the children away from the parents. If there is abuse, unless it is something extreme, the goal is usually to keep the kids with the parents when possible because removing the children is very traumatic to the kids. So if Pitt did hurt the kids but then cooperated fully with the investigation, agreed to counseling (which we know he did), agreed to anger management and parenting classes, agreed to substance abuse counseling (which he know he’s taking drug tests), then the agencies would reasonably close their investigation.
As Little Darling stated you clearly don’t know what it’s like living with a raging alcoholic. The worst part of it is the alcoholic won’t remember his worst behavior. No im not saying that Angelina is perfect in this but I completely believe that Brad’s drunken mess caused her to go nuclear on his ass. As for cheating I always believed they had an open relationship but that’s just my gut instinct.
If anyone threatened my children while being drunk, they would be kicked to the curb. I will not allow what happened to me to happen to my children! Yes, it is enough – and without cheating.
As for saying that they found no child abuse, no, that’ s not what they said. The cases were closed. There’s a difference. There may not have been enough evidence, or they may have agreed to divorce and drop any charges that would have been filed.
I called the police and showed the bruises after my father tried to strangle me to death with a telephone cord. The cops who answered the call said that the bruises weren’t enough for me to press charges and that they weren’t going to do anything. I was a minor and my mother refused to have my father arrested, so without the cops helping me, everything was dropped and nothing was done. It didn’t mean that it didn’t happen and it absolutely didn’t mean that it wasn’t serious.
To @DeniseMich
One thing is VERY clear from the way the initial report of their split was greeted by many women — is that the same usual ‘hater’ suspects WANT Angelina to have gotten a taste of what they *THINK* Jennifer Aniston experienced at her hand (they’re wrong).
The cackling, gleeful screams of ‘KARMA!!’ across the interwebs, the dragging of poor pregnant Marion Cotilliard into this mess. The assumed comeuppance for Angelina was like a mass orgasm for haters still in Team Aniston t-shirts.
Thus, when the investigations about the plane incident were revealed and commented on by both parties, and when it was clear it involved a traumatic incident with at least one of their children – and that the lot of them are in therapy because of it…
..why you could hear the ‘whoosh’ of their ‘Karma for Angie!’ balloons simultaneously deflate.
They were bummed that it seemingly was not infidelity, and very VERY peeved that now Angelina was deemed the responsible parent with sole physical custody and that Brad had signed off on a modified sort of rehab program. Unhinged haters were foiled again. Angelina seemed to be Mama Bear to her endangered cubs, Brad was possibly an alcoholic mess attacking his kid.
Dammy.
…and here they all thought Angelina was gonna get tagged as the ‘scorned woman.’
Because of course, *for some women* that’s the worst thing anyone can ever say about a woman. That she’s not *wanted* by a man, right? Trump said it himself about the woman on the plane he allegedly molested: ‘look at her!’ and the People Mag Reporter he allegedly assaulted: ‘look at her, I would never!’ That’s supposed to be the worst injury, a gross troll telling us we are not wanted, or adorning us.
It’s clear from a lot of posts here on these Brad & Angelina threads. Some women believe this themselves. That’s the thing that will make us roll up in a ball and die. That’s what they want for Angelina. It will make those women pleased.
They think Angelina is one of those women who will roll up in a ball.
But of course they seem to forget the obvious fact and the main reason they don’t like Angelina, is because she’s not THAT woman. Lol
Angelina is a grown up.
Like Oliver Stone said, ‘I think in other lives she led armies.’
But by all means make Angelina as basic as Jennifer, if it makes you feel better about yourself for a time.
Wait, what? A wife will only get a divorce if her husband cheats but will stay with him if becomes an alcoholic mess in front of the kids? This must be one of the dumbest comments I have seen regarding this story.
I just wanted to chime in that there is a difference between an alcoholic mess and an abusive alcoholic mess. She was upset and the charges were about abuse- not being drunk around the kids. The drinking came up as an excuse later but not reason for her ire. She is pissed because he abused her kids and that is 100% legit.
I’m not a fan of any of them but I agree with Denise that it seems like there’s more to the story than just alcoholic father who ranted once in a while and maybe pushed at his kids. Angelina wants to spin this into an amazing-mother story and come out looking like she’s the best mother alive, but the toxicity seems to have another source. Some commenter on the DM claiming to work in PR in London said Pitt had girlfriends all over the place and this was well known in London, and that she personally arranged a car once for his girlfriend. The post is in the Reese Witherspoon gives Jennifer Aniston a red-carpet butt squeeze story. I think they had an open relationship from the start and he embraced it.
If I had a partner, and they threatened my children or caused some form of bodily harm to them, or put them in harms way out of some form of selfishness, you can bet that I’d be out of there pretty damn fast if it meant it would protect my kids from further harm. A partner cheating on you will likely only affect you, unless there are other facets to the cheating that are affecting your kids as well. It’s containable, but ultimately, it can be a situation that hurts only one person. A partner physically threatening a child with the other parent presumably standing by doing nothing is a recipe for some fairly disastrous Thanksgiving dinners in the future, to say the least.
As a therapist – child services often close cases but it does not mean that there haven’t been very very concerning and damaging behaviours occuring.
That the partner, who undertook those behaviours, is removed from the house and only sees the children in a supervised contact situation is enough to allow them to close the case.
It does not mean that the behaviour or pattern of behaviours were not extreme.
Also Angelina may have been forced to exit Brad as the incident on the plane might have been bad enough to have others report it.
In that circumstance if she is not seen to act swiftly to keep her children safe she too is seen is complicit in the abuse by CS.
I so agree. And Angie is coming out smelling less and less like a rose.
It’s mutually assured destruction and they’re both loosing. I wonder if either of them will have a career after this.
Yep. They are both slinging the mud so hard it’s just ugly, careless and sad.
I totally agree. It’s sad that they are behaving this way. I’m disappointed in both of them.
I don’t see how anyone can have a favorable opinion of Brad or Angie after this mess. They are both being underhanded and dirty as hell, and I get the impression making each other look bad in the public eye is more important than their family’s privacy or finding a less contentious resolution to their marriage/custody issues.
I will say…I find it rich Wasser filed documents saying Brad is afraid the world will learn the truth and referencing two closed investigations *right* before agreeing to seal proceedings. Either put the information out there or don’t (actually, just don’t, there are kids involved), but don’t make these kind statements to curry sympathy when you know the actual facts of the matter won’t be made public.
THIS!
I caught that too. One last blow before the files are sealed. Its like a ten year old fighting to get the last word in argument. How petty!
Yes, Goats. I have to agree.
I also agree. Spot on.
Oh dear! When Brad petitioned to seal the files his comments about Angie could be seen as an argument to support his request. Angie’s comments here can only be seen as a quote for TMZ. A dignified agreement to seal the files for the benefit of the children would have been so much better.
Spot on, Jellybean.
This is Wasser memorandum that she filed with the court to approve the sealing the same Brad lawyer filed
@Fa I know it comes from court documents, but the comments serve no legal purpose. They know it will end up in TMZ, so I assume they were put there for that reason.
That is exactly right Jelly Bean.
@jellybean
So what “legal purpose,” did Brad’s comment about she “has no self-regulating mechanism,” serve?
Seems some women here are awfully fine with Brad’s tit, and don’t want to hear any tat from Angelina at all.
@almondmilk jellybean very clearly says Brad’s comment was his argument to get the case sealed. The point is even if it’s an attack, it could be considered justifiable. Angelina’s comment isn’t necessary for a legal filing agreeing to seal the case.
@KB
Seriously? Does that make any sense at all to you?
That Angelina through a legal team can’t respond to an “attack,” (as you yourself have called it) but that Brad can make one in defense of getting the case sealed.
Which by the way, was never being thwarted by Angelina in the first place, which court docs show and in fact she had already agreed to seal which Brad knew. (Brad was denied because he filed an emergency request, which the judge said was unjustified)
So it looks like not only was Brad being disingenuous, his “attack,” was unwarranted and aggressive towards Angelina.
Yet Angelina can’t respond to any of that?! She has to be the passive little girl letting the alleged alcoholic abuser of her kids, walk all over her?!
Yea, you have the wrong one.
Yep, they both are super manipulative and desperate to control the narrative and portray themselves in a positive light, while not thinking of the children.
They chose to have children together, had nothing but positive things to say about each other a year ago, and they will always be a part of each other’s lives.
Instead of taking public shots at each other, they should try to put aside their differences for the sake of their children. The investigation was closed. He passed his drug and alcohol testing. They will end up with joint custody. I don’t know what happened on the plane, if he cheated, if they fizzled out as couples do, but this is such a tacky divorce on every level.
It really is hideous and ugly, especially considering six kids are involved! If they were half the parents they’ve led the public to believe, they would act like adults and stop with the mudslinging stat.
Esmom, THIS. If they were half the parents they’ve led the public to believe….
There is such a big disconnect between the two (public perception and what is currently going on), I think that’s why everyone can’t wrap their minds around it. Two people who are playing the dirtiest of the dirty hands at the expense of 6 children. I get protecting your children, I truly do, I truly truly do, but not at the expense of other things. There are ways to move around and not bash the parent of your children while still protecting them.
@LD
Totally agree.
Well said. Has anyone ever suggested that she may have cheated on him? There were hints over the years she had, but never him.
@LittleDarling
Lol, you’re clearly slamming Angelina in your posts. Angelina the custodial responsible parent who is not whizzing in a cup weekly and in therapy.
It seems there’s this constant need to tar them both with the same brush.
One wonders if this would be the case if a drunk, alcoholic Angelina who attacked Zahara and was investigated by 4 agencies, required to drug/alch test weekly and be in therapy….
..was the one telling Brad the responsible custodial parent that HE had no “self regulating mechanism.” What would we say about the many sad faces covers of ‘Poor Angelina’ being deprived of her kids by meany custodial parent Brad? (hold up, first..THAT would never happen, Angelina would be treated like a criminal on all the tabs and tags and maligned. There would be tv programs on how she had fooled the world, petitions to take back her Herscholt Oscar and her UN positions, she’d of course lose custody for all time too)
…but most of all, NO ONE…not here and not anywhere…would even attempt to say that what custodial responsible parent Brad did to protect his kids through filings and court docs and get Angelina the help she needed (if roles were reversed) was the moral equivalent to what drunk/rager/attacker/in denial Angelina did.
It’s fascinating to see some women pretend otherwise though, when we all know the stake would have been lit and Angelina roasted to death when the incident happened if SHE had been the culprit. Let alone if, like Brad is doing now, she wanted to amend their agreed upon therapeutic program, slam him in the press, and get loads of poor Angelina stories in the bloids.
Amen, Esmom.
@Almondmilk – Nope! I am a hardcore Angie fan. Have been forever. But somehow I am able to separate being a fan and also being subjective enough to know that everyone is human, even Angie.
I also know where you stand on the matter. “lol”
Slamming? Because I said…hmmm. Let’s see here, let’s look at the facts.
Exhibit A: In my rant to @denisemich I was shocked that she said that the only reason why she left was she was cheated on, that’s the ONLY way a woman would act out and protect her kids. So, that’s not a slam.
Exhibit B: I said that I do think there are MUCH better ways to leave an abusive filled situation when you have the means to an end, can get away, plan like she did and actually be able to up and leave. I strongly believe that BOTH of them can act like damn adults and PUT THE CLAMP ON IT. I don’t care who started the mudslinging or who finished it, it needs to end!! I’m tired of reading about their pathetic, mudslinging divorce, and yes, I definitely *from a public perception* expected more from both of them, because this is in like, Halle Berry territory, in my opinion. It’s gross, low, and will affect their children in some way or another.
The rest of what you said, I really don’t even understand. But please, refrain from being the “Angie Police” to me. I’m simply not in the mood. Ever. Thx!
ETA: When I slam someone girl, I make it DAMN obvious. (read: any post about Taylor Swift and the Kanye fiasco)
Caro,yh, apparently he cheated on her all the time. This was written by a poster on the DM, so take it with a grain of salt.
” I worked in PR in London and saw what happened, the media wanted Aniston to fight back but she was too devastated. Believe me, the Jolie-Pitts are not liked for it in the industry but Aniston refused to hit back. I once also arranged a car for Brad when he was dining with his girlfriend in London, he has special friends all over the world. Nothing is as it seems in the world of superstardom but the anti-Aniston campaign was despicable even for Hollywood.”
In the article “Cheeky Reese Witherspoon gives Jennifer Aniston a surprise on the red carpet with a walk-by grab.”
This. 100 percent. They chose to have a lot of kids. Now they have an obligation to act like adults when handling this situation.
+1000
Me neither. If either dept found something brad wouldn’t see his kids at all. So for AJ to throw that is stupid. And brad does seem to care more about public opinion at this point. And if you thought she had no regulation control you shouldn’t have had kids with her.
I feel sorry for 6 people and that’s the kids who will probably need therapy one day
Perhaps said departments were happy with the safeguards put in place, which enabled them to close their files?
+1000 @LadyD
Thank you. The safeguards Brad wanted to change a month or so, in. As addicts and drunks often do as they start lashing out at their predicament. It’s textbook.
Yet some women here are mad at meanie Angie for treating poor Brad like the possible addict who’s lashing out and changing his mind about the agreed upon program, that he appears to be. They’re actually equating the grown up woman to the out of control child (Brad)
Typical.
Also @Nicole, that’s not how it works. Read the posts of people in families who have gone through this. Because prosecutable crimes weren’t committed, that doesn’t mean there aren’t bad abusive situations that remain, which perhaps stem from addictions that need treatment.
Nor does it mean the sick parent will be deemed a functioning custodial parent once the investigations are wrapped.
Thats not how it works Lady D. If DCFS required safeguards, they would also be bound to supervise them. The file would not be closed in such a situation. I know the confusion comes from Angies statement after he was cleared when she credited the safeguards. That was intentionally misleading and another example of her trying to surreptitiously slam him. The safeguards were likely required during the investigation because its necessary following serious allegations and pending an investigation to put measures in place. These measures became part of the temporary custody agreement which was formulated during the investigation and have for that reason alone lived past the completion of the investigation. This is why he is able to move to court to ask it to throw out the stipulation without even a peep from DCFS. This has been explained here many times but her super fans still insist on peddling the “DCFS safeguard” lie.
Okay, thank you. I’m really not familiar with DCFS workings. It was just a thought I had.
Ramona- Thank you for clarifying this once again. It’s the truth for anyone that’s interested in looking at this with some knowledge and objectivity.
LB you’re right!
Same here. It’s just depressing at this point.
Agree. I’m sick of them. Definitely lost their glamour and mystique with all of this.
It’s good to see so many people that are finally speaking out and saying both of these people are being jerks, and that the only one suffering are the kids. It’s nice to see people joining in and agreeing, instead of being criticized heavily for being anti-Angie or anti-Brad for saying they are both idiots.
But I kind of wonder where all the extreme fans are, now that this has been released. They are usually all over the place, and its strangely quiet.
no, there’s one here. I’m sure you can find her.
doofus, I saw her. But there is usually a horde of them…
Nicole, I think it’s just that they’re sad. I’m not one of the superfans, but I did like this family and I’m sad to see it end, and end like this. mostly for the kids, I mean. people get divorced every day and manage to keep living their lives, but when kids are involved, it can be sad for people.
Hey, that’s fine to be sad. For me, I dislike what they are doing to each other. What I don’t understand is either side being so adamant that the other side is the the only evil doer here.
“What I don’t understand is either side being so adamant that the other side is the the only evil doer here.”
no argument there!
@doofus
Lol, and yea..it says a lot about some of you women, that you can’t take even one (waves) or two people standing up and supporting Angelina Jolie.
The need to make them both equally bad is somewhat analagous to what happens in rape trials. It’s why defense attorneys are said to prefer to stack their juries with lots of women. They know the woman (victim) will be judged more harshly by the women on the jury, than the men. FACT
You can tell someone is WAY too heavily invested in this when all of their comments are like two pages long and they still manage to say nothing new!
“The need to make them both equally bad is somewhat analagous to what happens in rape trials.” Actually almondmilk, i don’t find that an appropriate analogy at all. Unless you think, like in a rape trial, there is one perpetrator and one victim. No black and white. These are two parents we’re talking about, and a marriage breaking up. Do you honestly believe that Angelina is 100% right and Brad is 100% wrong? I think marriages and life are a lot more complicated than that, theirs included. Even if Brad behaved horribly on the plane, the vast majority of marriages aren’t going to implode because of a sing;e incident.
*bracing myself for an attack*
KB, I hardly ever read them anymore due to length. every so often it is amusing to read, though, with the “haters” comments, the Aniston references, and the idea that someone can peer into others’ brains and see what they’re thinking and what their motivation is.
@Esmom
🙌 Beautifully said!!!
@esmom
Please refrain from using words like “attack,” it’s false hyperbole and does nothing but aid people who would like even the one or two voices of dissension, stifled.
I’ve attacked no one. Disagreements are not attacks. My calling your viewpoint wrong and disagreeing with IT, is not a personal attack on your character. However, some here sure think they can comment on MY personal life, and insult my character and state of mind because I wholeheartedly support Angelina in this mess that Brad caused.
Now, to address your post.
Yes, the rape trial jury analogy is spot on. A group of women will judge a woman more harshly than a man even when said man has committed bad acts (why defense attorneys like to stack hurries with women in rape trials). That’s what these anti-Angelina board comments are analogous to. If you can’t see that plain as day, i can’t help you.
From people saying ‘oh poor Brad, he must have cheated on the witch and thats why she’s treating him so horribly.’
To people that *equate* her legal team maneuvers to get her husband and her family help and made whole again to the bad act and possible substance abuse that started the whole thing.
Both of those instances that are off repeated on these boards to varying degrees (especially people who insist on making it less about Brad did and his PROBLEMS…and the eager women who really want this to be bitter Angie lashing out because she’s LOSING HER GOOD THANG), THESE kinds of comments usually get a pass from most of the women here.
But the staunch Angelina supporter (not saying I won’t ever change my mind about her if something were to ever be revealed about her behavior in all this) gets it with both barrels.
It’s nothing if not predictable.
@almondmilk – As a survivor of sexual assault, I find your analogy of their divorce using rape HIGHLY offensive and is not even in the realm of similar. We are taking about two individuals divorcing, NOT sexual assault. You are reaching way too far using a subject that I am personally privy too. That comment was gross to me.
Nicole, I’m sorry someone hurt you that way. please know, there are a LOT of us on this board who are assault survivors – YOU ARE NOT ALONE. hugs to you.
Angie stopped Brad from seeing his friends to be with her and the kids. To me she seems controlling. If things don’t go her way then they can take the highway.
Once I read “Angelina went ham on Brad” the story lost any potential credibility it had. It’s 2017 – try to stfu about your crap.
@ Ans: Is there actual proof and/or any link anywhere through reputable reporting, that Angie did indeed stop Brad from seeing his friends?
I totally agree. Will someone with authority please tell these two toddlers to shut up and remember they have children of their own to raise?
I agree complitely. They are both working the media so hard and all at the expense of their childeren. Really, what was the point of that leak? They both need to stop
I was surprised Lainey thought these Colorado photos she set-up were a bad idea…image-wise. It didn’t occur to me, but I guess I could see that.
Didn’t read the Lainey article but it makes sense to me. I thought it was poor taste to arrange paparazzi photos in the middle of this highly publicized divorce; when Brad is saying she has no self regulation when it comes to using their kids for publicity, she should probably not do just that.
Not arranged anything the paparazzi saw a tweet and they tracked her down there even an US weekly reporter said to twitter guys that paparazzi will track her when they see that twitter pic
Lainey has been pro Angie. It was a telling that she chose to make that comment.
@Fa..
I disagree. I saw the tweet picture. It was taken inside the store the same day as Angie and Viv were seen with Marianne Pearl. No way paps got there after the tweet. USmagazine was trying to get a story from the guy and he shut them down. They wanted a story to go with the pictures. . But the paps are following them. There are pics of them leaving and arriving at the airport. So someone followed them. I don’t think Angie called the paps.. but they were there to take pics. But again there are celebrities there so there are some paps. Not a bunch of them.. but they are there.
@nemera24 Actually Fa is right. The twitter picture and the set with Marianne Pearl are from different outings. The first one was taken on Dec 30th, the second on Jan 1st. If you want a proof look at Vivienne’s shoes in these photos – they are not the same. The paps got there after they saw the post on twitter.
Lainey’s been spot on in this situation. Her sources have been impeccable on this. I was surprised to see even a slightly negative Angie article.
They went to Crested Butte, which has shuttle plane service, but is more of a local spot than a celebrity hangout. If they had gone to Aspen, Telluride, or even Vail, it would have been for paparazzi attention. I think A picked Crested Butte because she figured it would take longer before the inevitable paparazzi would show up.
Agreed, but that’s not going to fly with those who INSIST she calls the paps, herself.
There were at Crested Butte last year skiing with the kids. They have gone there before. So this is not so out of the way place they have never been before.
I just read Lainey’s report and she didn’t say that. She said the minivan majority, which has been hating on Angie since the day Brad unloaded Aniston, will use it to prove how evil she is, making poor Brad feeling miserable that she and the kids are enjoying themselves without him. OTOH, many people may say that the photos show that she and the kids haven’t been destroyed by the divorce and are getting along fine without him. As far as the minivan majority is concerned, that’s the ultimate insult. They want her and the kids to suffer as much as possible to prove their contention that she’s a demonic bitch. I happen to think it’s great that they had a good time without him. Feel free to disagree.
Of course i agree @Carmen lol
+1000
I also have to disagree with the Lainey suggestion of “staged photos”. Angelina and family are celebrities. The press is going to hound them. For her to suggest this, is pitiful. Would she dare suggest this if it were Brad and/or the children?
So far all we know for sure is that something happened in that plane and it was bad enough for Angelina file for divorce, a investigation, supervisioned visitation. And Brad is still trying to make Angelina look like the bad person and many outlets are buying it. If he is such a victim of her witchcraft, why sealing the papers? It’s not like he actually give a crap about the privacy of the kids.
Didn’t he get off the plane, then get into an airport vehicle and drive off? He must have been wasted. I’m still team AJ – I believe the narrative that she went Mama Bear for her kids because Brad did something awful, even if it didn’t rise to the level of federal action. Plus AJ and Maddox pre-date Brad, so that bond is strong. I like it that she won’t take shit from a drunk husband.
Also, Brad’s (1st?) public statement after everything went down included the fact that he “Didn’t hit Maddox in the face” not I didn’t hit my kid period. If nothing happened between him & Maddox or even if things had gotten verbal but not physical, he wouldn’t have need to specify that he didn’t hit him in the face. He could have just said an argument got out of hand but he never got physical with his son. While I don’t like the fact that it looks like both sides are leaking info to make each other look bad, I still believe Angelina was & is protecting the kids & that Brad has problems he seems to be refusing to deal with.
The man who owns the airport trucks said Brad didn’t get off the plane. I can’t remember where I read it but he was interviewed and said it didn’t happen.
Char- I think Brad’s statement was an admission that he DID have phisical contact with his child, not a denial. Shoved him, slapped him. Who knows? Terrible thing. But to lose custody of your kids over it? Absolutely not. Way too extreme. There are a million better ways to handle it.
LadyT- He hasn’t lost custody of his children though, & it’s doubtful that he will, unless there is some kind of proof that he has been continually abusive, or is a drug user, or something else horrible. & even then, with his celebrity status, it’s still doubtful he would completely lose custody; the court would work with him to get custody back. But I do think if he has a problem he is unwilling to fix (like being an alcoholic) then I do think his custody should be monitored until he gets help.
The fuel truck driving has been disputed by the MN airport. There was supposedly video and that ne we materialized either.
Brad, through his lawyer, admitted to inadvertent contact with his shoulder. The “didn’t hit him in the face” was because that is what Angelina was alleging to DFCS. I don’t think his lawyer realized those allegations weren’t yet public, and the quote was later changed in People’s report to “didn’t hit.”
Yes to all this. The double standard here is appalling. When people are commenting that she is really angry because he cheated on her and not because he HIT HER KID, it is stunning to me. People accept that Brad is going to the press and say well, he can’t control everything the press does but if Angie fights back, she is evil. No one is holding Brad accountable.
When he divorced Jen, he could have made a strong statement that the marriage was over before he dated Angie but instead he let the press go after both women for over ten years. That strategy is working to his favor because Angie the evil vixen is already out there. He’s just letting the press continue that story so no one will ask why he can’t stay married.
Just want to point out that Maddox is Brad’s kid, too. If Brad pushed him, or grabbed his shoulder hard, he wasn’t doing that to “Angie’s son” only. Clearly, Brad was not right to do that. Not at all. But parents do sometimes get angry and screw up. Considering Pitt was cleared by DCFS and the FBI, it sounds like he ‘just’ screwed up, big time. Probably not the first time, either, because Angie seems pretty darn done with him! One isolated incident would not be enough to launch this firestorm.
@Lucinda, It’s not double standards. It’s just common sense. You have a troubled spouse whom you love, but he’s not been an alcoholic for 20 years. Nor does he appear to be violent. Why are you fed up and giving up just after 3, 4, or 5 years or whatever it’s been. I don’t think Brad was on the drink and pot and was that bad for the entire course of their marriage. She was filmed saying, “He’s a wonderful father” in 2013, on some red carpet. So why has she given up on the love of her life, a man with whom she has 6 kids, just after 3 years of disaster? You’d stick with them and make sure they got help.That’s the issue. Not double standards. There’s more going on here, and Lainey speculated when news of the divorce broke that Angelina won’t be the ridiculed woman who was cheated on or whatever, and that was why she leaked the divorce news very loudly on a Monday or whatever it is.
Ofcourse he is – the evidence is in the way he has been smearing Angelina, threw his oldest sons to the wolves by specifically mentioning them.
Brad’s lawyer is the vile man who also defended Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson etc. A man who specialises in destroying the reputation of the women involved.
Just like with Charlie and Mel, the truth about what really happened will come out and exonerate Angelina.
Brad seems to forget that Maddox will be 16 soon and can pretty much expose his dad if he wants to.
Again – if Brad has any decency left in his body, he will stop smearing Angelina and give a statement to put a stop to the media attack.
People here claim Angelina should just sit back for the children’s sake while Brad continues to attack. Lot of bs, Angelina has the right to defend her and her children in any way.
Angelina came out swinging from the get go, and both sides are playing dirty. BOTH should do some growing up.
BTW, didn’t Laura Wasser JUST defend Johnny Depp? She also has some pretty vile clients.
Thanks for mentioning it. But that’s what double standards are for: defend Angelina – and all of a sudden you are a good guy no matter what other clients you have.
+1
That statement declaring that Amber is moving to court in order to extend her fame was actually from Laura Wassers filings too. The woman is utterly vile.
“Brad’s lawyer is the vile man who also defended Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson etc.”
And Angie’s lawyer is the vile Laura Wasser, who represents Johnny Depp.
Not to mention Wasser is friends with Gross Handler and Harvey/Mr. TMZ (people and places that are vile and beyond nasty towards Angie)
Angie doesn’t seem to be bothered by her lawyer’s associations. So Brad is probably the same.
Neither of them Brad or Angie have clean hands. They are both responsible. And yes I acknowledge that all of this started because of Brad’s actions. We all know that. It has been said over and over. Now what to do next is the question
And Angie’s lawyer represented wife abuser Johnny Depp in his divorce against Amber Heard. It wasn’t pretty. Your point?
I’m curious, when you say Angelina will be ‘exonerated’ what are you referring to. Is there something I missed? I’m not aware of anything she needs to be exonerated for.
Lance Spiegel is a family law attorney who also represented Eva Longoria and Heather Locklear. Spiegel also represented Kelly Rutherford in her custody case, and while we all have our opinions about how that went down, your interjection that Spiegel is a “man who specializes in destroying the reputation of the women involved” (specifically the woman involved) is baseless at best, and it’s a reckless defamation at worst.
I am clueless as to Brad Pitt’s reasons for enlisting Spiegel, but nobody removed from the situation has any clue either. Let’s not cherrypick the facts that best represent the narrative we want to believe while ignoring any and all other indisputable facts (and frankly, there aren’t many to begin with in this case).
And Laura Wasser is the vile woman defending Johnny Depp and helping him smear Amber’s reputation for six months. Both lawyers have represented creeps. It’s their job.
She is the one who hired a crisis management firm.
I think they both have and they’re either not listening or the crisis mgmt teams are doing a terrible job. Especially hers. All of this pettiness seems below her. Or it seemed below her, I should say. I kind of expected her to be the adult in the whole thing, but they both just seem to want to score points against each other.
Maya…your writing style is very similar to…someone else..can’t quite put my finger on it.Do you write professionally?
Lol, there has been rumors of what you are hinting at.
wrong one.
lol.
I agree. Seems everyone wants to make Brad the poor pitiful thing. I am not buying it. He could have behaved better from the start but he got this Charlie Sheen lawyer right away. Angelina had not intended to make the sole custody permanent but he seems to want to alienate her. Maybe deep Dow he doesn’t want all the kids and is looking for sympathy . Don’t trust him anymore. Angelina has always been honest and the kids seem happy. So let’s stop the Angelina and have Brad take responsibility for his actions .
Ha ha, what “detailed FBI report”? The one that concluded nothing? I always rooted for this couple and admired AJs work, but all the media stories and leaks are clearly coming from her side and she’s playing to “win” which only means a mass of kids with no consistency in their life anyway won’t get to see their father as they grow up.
It’s heart-breaking, actually. All parents need to but their egos aside for the sake of the kids in divorces, and that rarely happens. AJ is certainly no exception.
For the record, just because an investigation is closed and no charges filed does NOT mean the agencies investigating found nothing there. They just found nothing worthy of charges.
Has ANYONE ever made the assumption that NOTHING happened? Why does this need to be clarified over and over and over?
Because people keep referencing the closed cases as evidence that Pitt didn’t abuse his children in any way. See upthread.
In the same way that people keep referencing anonymous allegations of abuse as somehow being proof that something truly abusive actually happened. Has anyone actually bothered to read what California Child Services consider as “abuse”? If you had, it would be very difficult to reconcile all of the glowing statements about how great a father Pitt is. None of us were there, so it’s all guesswork. But if Pitt were an abusive father (as opposed to losing your temper in a one off situation), they would have pressed criminal charges. Parental argument, teenage boy who puts himself in between (and let’s face it, it’s a perfectly normal teenage reaction to challenge parents and authority), who knows what was said from either side, but having had teenagers, they go through a period of being insolent a**holes, so maybe there was some of that, maybe not.
The thing is…fighting like that in front of your kids, that’s shitty parenting. Not shutting down your child getting involved in said fight is shitty parenting. Getting so angry with your child that you get physical is shitty parenting. And so is reinforcing to your child that getting involved in a parental argument is a good thing. None of any of that is putting the wellbeing of your children first.
It would be one thing if that child was defending his mother against a physically abusive husband. It’s quite another thing for that child to involve himself in an argument between his parents, an argument that, unless your parents are completely shitty, never should have happened in front of the kids anyways. We have zero idea who started it, what it was about or what was said. That the kids were even witness to it denotes a complete disregard for not only your kids, but how they view you and your spouse. The both of them suck as parents.
Lucinda-I’m just not seeing that. Everyone with a lick of sense knows something happened. He admitted it. If you’re implying that he was NOT cleared of ABUSE, as opposed to a pooooor parenting day, please show me. I missed it.
@paranormalgirl
+1000
Worth repeating often here, lol.
Very good sum-up, Heather. I agree with you!
When my parents were arguing and fighting before they finally separated. I was horrified at what I would overhear and was glad at least my friends would never find out what was said.
But I can’t imagine being a child of two divorcing celebrity parents and having the whole world know all the nasty details. With the added gift of all this gossip being on the internet FOREVER .
Just sad
If you’d told me a year ago that BenJen, Gwen/Gavin, JLo/Casper would all handle their breakups with more public grace and class than these two I wouldn’t have believed it. Sheesh.
Lmao. Even Casper has endeavored to keep his sh*t out of the papers.
Ben/Jen no. Jen is still clinging to him “for the sake of the children”. Never mind he screwed the children’s nanny. Guess that was for the children’s sake too.
Gross, I’m over it. They both need to grow up and get divorced in private. I can’t stand either of them now.
I don’t know. If Brad really was “terrified” about something coming out then why would he engage in any kind of “battle” or take swipes knowing Angelina had ammunition that could “destroy” him. Blah, just typing that is depressing. Hopefully they can find an amicable, semi-healthy way to get on with their lives sooner rather than later.
They need to be sealed regardless of the main motive it will protect the kids that way.
Controversy is what keep her up and being hated is her normal…so its not surprising she is this way IMO whatever’s though…
This is insignificant. A detailed investigation should be conducted whenever there is an allegation of abuse. The charge is not proof. It was clean, end of story. And the personal comments on her supported his request to seal the documents. Their comments here are clearly written for the benefit of the press, since they would have no impact on the judge
Again, a concluded investigation with no charges does not mean that it was “clean.” Just that nothing happened that required charges being filed. Something still went down, something that really pissed off his oldest child. There can still be a dysfunctional and negative environment without there being chargeable offenses.
Here’s the thing. If the details of what happened on the plane are released 2 things will happen.
1) SOME people will say… Brad is the worse father ever. I can’t believe Angie stayed with his drunk ass this long. He should never be allowed to see those children until he crawls through fire and ice. If he did that to my children I would have divorced him but killed him first. People should boycott every movie he has. I won’t watch another film he is in. Angie and the kids are well rid of him. Children should not have to endure this. I can’t believe he thinks he can get away with this. I feel so bad for the kids. Especially Maddox. OMG..this is so terrible. Angie you did the right thing.
2).. SOME will say…ARE YOU SERIOUS. This is what all the therapist are needed for. Give me a break. Angie has loss her damned mind. No wonder Brad was cleared by DCFS and the FBI. Angie should be ashamed. My father/mother has done far worse to me and DCFS was not called. Kids get yelled at. Parents call them names. NO it is not right but it happens. Angie has blown this completely out of proportion. Their children are not precious snowflakes. Parents do dumb stuff. Kids need to learn that and forgive. I don’t blame Brad for not kissing her ass and leave. Sue to get your kids from this woman.
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All the it’s him.. its her means nothing and at the end of the day; just like now the kids are in the middle of this complete mess. Seal the documents and both Angie/Brad STFU and tell you lawyers to STFU because they are making it worse by every statement. Statements by the way that are just aimed at the public. Because the Judge doesn’t care about any of this. Both of them are being complete asses and hurting their children. STOP and grow up.
For a while I thought #1 was at least a possibility because of the immediacy of the divorce filing, sole custody request, “safety” of the children comments, etc.
Now I’m mostly in sync with #2. He was cleared, he’s cooperated for months with drug testing and therapy and yet he is still getting a tiny token of time with his kids. This is deliberately punitive towards Brad ( I know, he started it!) and keeping kids from the father is hurting the the kids. I know those poor kids must be torn about “sides.” I wonder what influence she has with older ones about mending fences, or not.
Divorce is bad enough. Losing a parent is worse and I personally NOW put that in her hands.
@Nemera34…Slow clap…perfectly stated!!!
Agreed
Something happened and she also vouched for him during the investigation as his lawyer said in the email that angelina said he was good father on the record I think a lot of people from their circles say he was a good father that why the 2 agencies cleared him of any wrongdoing and he agreed to sign a very harsh agreement that let him see his kids an hour and doing individual and group therapy with his kids, you don’t agree with all this if you are not feeling guilty in some part so he compromised
And you were involved in the investigation…how?
You clearly have zero idea how DCFS works. Child welfare can’t be negotiated. You committed a crime or you didn’t.
that is the crazy for me. People act like Brad cut some deal. Well that is not how it works. And DCFS didn’t file anything with the court. They closed the case. Made recommendations that Brad/Angie agreed to follow. Then they walked away. DCFS is not involved in this situation now. They would be held legally to blame if they didn’t dot all the i’s and cross the t’s
DCFS and any other agency don’t do properly their work, it’s been prove before so don’t relay on agencies
I am out keep talking if that help you sleep
If DFCS always did their job, I wouldn’t have just read a story where a baby starved to death because both parents OD’ed & DFCS had just been to the house in the few weeks prior, but the baby’s mom swore she wasn’t a drug user, so they left the baby in the house.
If DFCS always did their job Charlie Sheen’s ex wife wouldn’t still have custody of their twins.
The system is broken & while there are DFCS workers who want to do their job, I’m certain that there are those who suck at their job & could also easily be star struck by Brad Pitt.
Nemera, do you need to be reminded how many children have been killed or seriously injured after DFCS dropped the ball and prematurely closed a case? Closing the case means they stopped investigating, nothing more.
In my opinion, if you are a good father you would agree to do whatever you have to in order to see your children. However, once you are cleared of wrong doing and are able to, you would fight like hell to be a part of their lives. I do not like the idea of sole custody and I think it is wrong to demand it unless there is a very good reason. If the court agrees with Angie that there is a very good reason then that is that, Brad brought it on himself and I have little sympathy. If not, I will always be suspicious of Angelina’s motives. Either way, none of this should be in the public domain and they should be doing everything possible to stop ‘sources’ talking to the press.
UGG. Both parties know the filed stuff goes public, so adding all that about the investigations and the public finding out the truth is just petty, and dredges it all up again. Now there is another media cycle about it.
Somebody needs to take the high road here, and stop this back-and-forth.
I have to say it again. The fact that Angelina and Brad agreed privately to seal the documents is meaningless. It has to be filed with the court for the documents to actually be sealed. They can agree all they like, but nothing would have happened if one of them didn’t file. Her team are betting on people not understanding the legalities when they trot out that line and act like Pitt was doing something underhanded in taking it to the court.
On another note, I really hate that Jolie’s team is still trying to suggest some secret, terrible thing happened beyond what’s been reported. Maybe it did, but then either come out and say it or shut up and stop implying there’s more to the story. It doesn’t make her look good either, because if it was actually that bad, no freakin way does Pitt get cleared so fast, so either there’s nothing more up her sleeve or she didn’t tell the authorities the full story. It’s a lose-lose strategy long-term so I don’t know why she keeps doing it.
I’m just so sick of both of them at this point. I was never a fan of either but I thought they were decent people. The way they’ve handled this has permanently soured me on both of them. Hopefully after this pathetic saga ends they’ll just go away for a long time.
I am still a fan.. and ITAWY
because in the end this makes Angie look bad. And as you said she gave testimony and was interviewed. She is either being petty or she lied to the investigators. And that would not be a good thing. And Wasser making out that Brad is being shady in filing is all PR. Because as you said he or she had to file with the courts to make this legal. The court doesn’t just seal legal docs because the parties have a “private agreement”.
Wasser filed that S&O which started out as a private agreement between Angie/Brad. So how do they think this is different. Stop playing loose with the truth. I’m very disappointed in them both. I too felt they would not do things this way. But I was wrong.
Brad is being shady though…he had no problem when the tabs made Angie look like she’s keeping the kids away from him amongst other “glowing” things…yet an edge of truth is revealed in those docs(in that Brad behaved badly to put it mildly)he tries to make Angie look bad
The thing is other than the actual formal details we know a lot. Because Angie and Wasser have made sure we do. The statements that have been released to the media; and the email exchanges. That is shady also. And Brad is not helping the matter either. And sadly all the information that is out there is not helping Angie either. Regardless of what she says or her lawyer the information makes her look just as negatively. Right or Wrong. Because the fact for most people is he was cleared. And if there was more and she told the investigators it didn’t rise to the level of “BAD” that they are hinting to. And the hinting is not helping her. Regardless of what stipulations Brad has been required to do or agreed to do.
He has made it known that he is going to court. And it seems to me that he is ready to fight. It looks to me with what Wasser is saying over and over that they didn’t expect him to do that. That he would just toe the line and wait. I think he may have waited enough. And reading what his lawyer said I think he is right that Brad will be awarded joint custody when this goes to court. It just seems it will happen. and I think Angie/Wasser know it and that is why they wanted him to wait for the therapist.
Let’s agree to disagree,you say Angie is shady..I call it telling the truth..Was Angie swinging when the divorce was filed..Absolutely!..if the father of my kids who looks as though butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth suddenly acted in a manner that “isn’t becoming”as alledgedly he did..Infront of our kids ofcourse i’d do the same & knowing the type of person am(sorry)would’ve held a press conference abt it as with Angelina everyone is quick to believe everything bad about her so as soon as the doc’s were released some people felt Brad isn’t so innocent in this & when he came quickly in wanting stuff being private..I’d say he’s the shady one….but again agree,to disagree
I agree. …continuing to allude to some incident. …the incident that supposedly prompted all of this. …but then not say what it was. …is odd
Keep it all the way private and stop alluding to it….
Pitt just should tell what happened on the plane that will end all this mess. I mean he was cleared so just put it out there, what does he have to lose since he was cleared? Sure his reputation may take a hit but it already has so its a no-lose situation for him at this point.
What roses said. Finally, some common sense.
@ Rose. You know what? I firmly agree. My take on the situation is this: Pitt did something on that plane. Pitt half heartedly acknowledged after being turned in and charged with “abuse”. I have to agree with people that just because the case is “closed”, nothing happened. Something happened and it was enough to make him agree to the agreements agreed upon when the divorce was filed. Brad/Angie should split everything down the middle. Pitt move on and find another fool who will take care of him, shield him and do all the things his women usually do for him. And I want Angie to soar. Come out swinging. Pick herself up, dust herself off. Reach for the moon and never look back. And after a while, even though they have the six kids (which he really professed as having wanted for so long), Pitt who? And btw Pitt, quit smearing the mother of your children.
Figured Wasser would try to come back hard in her response to Speigel’s memorandum, well here it is. It was going to hand. Just glad to hear the documents will be sealed. Hopefully this will be the end of hearing the back and forth between the two.
Unless there’s a gag order, I expect it to continue through tmz and the tabloids. They clearly cannot help themselves. He should just say what he did and be done with it. I don’t think it’ll be any worse than what people are imagining.
I said from the beginning that this is all going down the way it is, because besides what Brad did, he said something unforgivable. The other kids heard it and it could effect the whole family. Maddox still isn’t talking to him, so I can imagine what he said.
This is why Angelina filed the way she did.
Yeah I think that as well. Maybe he used some ugly racial slur while drunk and angry? I don’t know. Whatever he said, it was the last straw for Angie.
Funny how some who wanted Angelina to be in the wrong are now “suddenly over it”…or “both”are doing this Or that!…NO!…Angelina would’ve leaked details on what happened & from the little info we’ve gotten the truth supports Angelina…love them both but the truth has to be said & that is Brad is more concerned about his PR at this current point in time…& Brad Did hire a PR person to those who quick to sing how Angelina got her Olivia pope..let’s face facts Brad maybe a supposedly nice guy but during this period with his Fam he isn’t any shining prince
If angelina really wants to hurt Brad her team will have release the video of the plane like Amber did with Deep but she didn’t, she is protecting him and the kids, some people here keep saying he was cleared but criminals get cleared as well it doesn’t means they haven’t done anything wrong
Or maybe there isn’t a video. Wasn’t there rumors of Russian hookers, drug fueled sets that came out after she filed for divorce? Also, the drunk Brad running away with a fuel truck, which never happened
Wasser is well rested from the Xmas break. She’s getting a full work out in this week.
The statements she releases on behalf of Johnny and Jolie are really shady. She really cares about what the public thinks of her clients.
Is not statement is a court filing documents anyone can get this filing from the court is out there
That film they did together was obviously autobiographical…. The seething hatred between them was palpable
Looking back at the interviews they did for that film, it was very clear that their relationship was already a toxic mess. The way the talked about their own fights and issues comes across as so dysfunctional. That along with the fact that after years of refusing to they started taking projects on different continents at the same time makes me wonder now why we were so surprised.
I wonder if the marriage wasn’t meant as a last-ditch band-aid or even just a show for the kids. She wrote such a relentlessly negative and depressing relationship film for them to star in while they were engaged, and now it seems like she was, at its core, just writing what she knew.
I don’t know.. They talked about troubles in their life because of the characters in the movie. That is what all actors do. Make a personal connection to the characters they are playing. I have watched that movie many times. And I never saw “deep seething hatred.. I read all the interviews for the film and saw their photoshoots. They spoke lovingly about each other and their life. They were romantic and you could see that there was love there. People that know them said as much. Not sources that are unnamed. But actual people in their inner circle. I never doubt that regardless of what is happening now that they did love each other deeply. And despite all the mess now that doesn’t mean there wasn’t love. And even under all the hate and anger.. the love may still be there. I’m a hopeless romantic and won’t apologize for it.
Kate: though I hate to speculate like that, I had also had the thought that the actual wedding was the beginning of the end. I know they both said that it was for the kids, that the kids wanted it, etc, which I do believe, but I also wonder if there wasn’t some “we can (or “we’ll HAVE to”) fix this if we’re married” kind of thinking there. And, recall the Balcony Fight they had, which was (I believe) during filming of that movie?…a lot of folks speculated that they were rehearsing, but the split sheds a different light on that now.
ETA: nemera, I agree, I do believe that there was love, DEEP love there. Maybe they’re one of those couples where there’s a thin line between love and hate, and once the love is overtaken by anger/fear/jealousy, etc, it’s GONE and the hate comes in strong.
My parents werent married and it didnt matter to us as kids when things were going good. Unmarried folks was our normal. Its when I began to see trouble brewing that I thought they should marry. In my teenage brain, I thought a wedding ring would ground their committment and dad wouldnt spend nights away if they had a paper binding them. Thats literally how I thought even though I never said anything. I think thats what happened with the JoliePitt kids. I think this was an unstable union for awhile and the kids desperately wanted the security of a wedding ring. In the end, marriage is just a bandaid and whatever issues there were just grew and eventually exploded on that flight.
@doofus
..oh and here we go, the mythological “balcony fight.”
Let’s be clear on what it was. A tabloids story and paparazzi shot into/onto a hotel room/balcony from a qtr mile away. They *seem* upset/concerned about something.
Arms are raised, they’re facing and talking to each other. Angie appears to have a cigarette in one. Unclear if it’s hers or she’s bummed Brad’s. I only mention this because this rare pic of Angelina allegedly ‘smoking’ the haters love to say this makes her BRCA1 gene awareness and surgeries moot. From this alleged drag, they say she wants cancer, she deserves cancer, she’s a hypocrite, she’s a liar…on and on they go. She can’t be a human that used to smoke, it can’t be one drag and down, it can’t be occasional or rare per spa because she was upset. Suddenly she’s hypocrite pack a day Angelina.
That said, the other thing happening simultaneously with this papa snap, was the Sony leak and her emails hacked – her friend Amy whatsherface, head of film division getting dragged.
What the tabloids made sure to NOT show?
The other frames that showed Brad and Angelina embracing from the same set.
Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a fight.
Doesn’t mean it was a fight.
Could have been railing about Scott Rudin, rehearsing a scene, or talking politics – who knows?
The fact that anyone looks at a tabloid papz pic and characterizes it as a “fight,” based on their edited tabloid narrative (which held back the hug/embrace and didn’t show that) shows me how they biased they are.
Again, it fits the hater narrative to make this a crumbling relationship thing, we saw how ecstatic they were over the Marion Cotilliard nonsense and how seriously bummed they were that it was instead Brad may have attacked Maddox in a drunken rage.
Sick.
Lol you’re reaching…it’s called a movie…
I finally watched By The Sea and it was just him walking into a room, seeing her laying there and telling her she’s beautiful and her ignoring him over and over again.
hmm…that is not at all the movie i saw by the same name.
i quite liked it.
a story about relationship dysfunction and buried griefs and the masks we all wear and choices we make…
Mess. Whenever you’re watching the “pretty people” on some awards show and listen as they proclaim their love and admiration for each other to the host as they gaze lovingly into each other’s eyes, remember this scenario. They were once that couple.
@nancy
I don’t know what this means.
They’re real people, not a Harlequin romance.
My sister left her husband because of alcohol abuse after 20 years of marriage.
She loves him and vice versa to this day. Amazing wedding, had a great run for a long time and were hopelessly in love. It was hard. Hard on the whole family.
Is it your contention that people such as this were never in love? Or that they were faking it?
Are you for real?
Wow. I do not feel the need to explain myself to someone who asks me if I am for real. You’re offended by what you assume I am saying by insulting me. Not cool, but I do feel bad for your sister.
I know what you mean, Nancy, and I’m with you. It’s the weirdest thing to me when celebrity couples do the “loved up” routine on the red carpet, in front of a horde of screaming photographers. It’s all for show.
Someone should remind them that as there is never any danger of a traffic jam on the high road, for the sake of their children–not to mention their collective dignity–they both need to head for that exit. Tout suite!
Some people here make it out like Angelina has to look at each lawyer’s long list of clients and select one that is not offending those occupy the moral high ground .Let’s see, A is representing Y, cross, B is representing X, off, C is representing Z, out. . From what I read, Angelina has been with Wasser thru previous divorce. So if she was happy and trusted this lawyer before, why can she not go with her again ?.
I think those comments were in response to someone saying Brad’s lawyer represented. Charlie Sheen. So that goes both ways. It doesn’t matter.
These two selected their respective lawyers for a reason. Hard as it is to believe, there are competent domestic relations attorneys who are equipped to handle very complicated divorces/custody issues on a quiet basis. For whatever reason, neither chose to go that route. Now it’s “fight fire with fire”, and it all burns down.
I can’t remember who, but some celebrity or other once said that an equitable divorce in Hollywood means each person gets 50% of the publicity. 😉
I often wonder what goes on behind the scenes with the lawyer and their celebrity client. I mean they can only give advice and the client doesn’t have to agree or follow it.
Jolie wants so, so badly for everyone to know about the Big Bad Thing That Happened, but knows she’ll look like a bitch on wheels if her team “leaks” it head-on, so she’s choosing to dole out some “juicy” yet nonspecific innuendo while she still can.
I say while she still can because if her thinly veiled “you want me to tell everyone what you did?” threat – when at least one investigation cleared Pitt and no charges have been filed – can’t get Pitt a family court gag order, I don’t know what would.
While Jolie’s not sharing anything substantive, her comments seem designed to make people think the worst of Pitt, and that’s a pretty shitty thing to do her own kids. Because who do you think the media is going to laser-focus on to get at THAT story?
People in prison for all kinds of shenanigans have legally protected access to their children. Jolie is not going to get sole custody of those kids. She just isn’t, and her lawyers have likely explained that to her. Her quest to do as much damage as she can to Pitt in the meantime is just sheer vindictiveness at this point.
Make not mistake one day someone will release that video, tabloids knows something happened and they will do anything to get that video recording, that they said it exists
There is a very, very small handful of things that would ever result in someone losing total, complete and permanent custody of their children. And if any of those things happened – and were recorded on video, no less – it is more likely than not that Pitt would have been charged with a crime.
That bar is set so high for a reason. You just can’t take a person’s kids away from them because you don’t like them anymore.
what video do you keep referring to? one from the plane? the tarmac?
“they said it exists”…who is “they”?
You just made the most important point in this entire matter, she’s just not going by to get sole custody. She could end this tomorrow in mediation. I don’t like the Brad is sad cr@p at all, but the ball is in her court. When he asks for joint custody, there will be a lot to iron out, but everyone will be healthier for it if she agrees. They are ahead of the game due to wealth and the fact that the children are home schooled. For all those defending Angelina here, I hope it’s not to alienate the children from their father. He did well according to her up until this last year. They’re in counseling and they will be fine. But MOST OF ALL the parents WILL BE BETTER WITHOUT EACH OTHER. The acrimony and fighting which caused this relationship to escalate into the mess it is now has been removed and while there will be a grieving process, the children will be left with two healthier parents. But both sides must be willing to make changes and if you can’t get past what caused all the contention, then you never should have had children together. Take the next, most responsible step, for the most important thing you’ll ever do…raising children.
Exactly. Knowing how unlikely-bordering-on-just-not-ever-gonna-happen it is for Pitt to lose all parental rights, Jolie is dragging out the inevitable, for no other reason that I can see other than to destroy Pitt.
California DCFS, especially when celebrities are involved, is e-t-r-e-m-e-l-y thorough. They declined to file charges with LAPD, and have left the details of Pitt’s reunification with his kids up to the various therapists involved.
Throwing out “you want me to tell everybody what you did?” threats is manipulative and vile. As everyone well knows, something doesn’t have to be even remotely true for the internet at large to believe it. Seeing some of the very dark conclusions people have been jumping to regarding the deep, dark secret of what Pitt REALLY did to his kids (“Wait until the video comes out !” UGH.) makes me sick to my stomach.
I honestly think Jolie is recreating the toxic and dysfunctional environment she grew up in. She grew up believing her father was Satan incarnate (for cheating on her mother … OH, the irony …) and her mother absolutely walked on water.
It’s almost never as simple as good versus evil. Human relationships are messy and imperfect, but those kids have TWO parents, and she needs to stop trying to create by force a world where they only have her.
I’m sorry, but Brooke Mueller (Charlie Sheen’s ex) is Exhibit A on how DFCS is NOT extremely thorough with celebrities. She has been to rehab 27 times & DFCS has only taken her kids from her once. When they did take her kids, it was because she was once again on drugs & they were living in filth, Denise Richards was basically the only person who would take them & when she tried to get them psychiatric help DFCS let Brooke deny getting her boys the help they needed. They eventually gave the children back to Brooke & she was recently reported by 2 different witnesses because she brought the boys into a bar in the middle of the night & was later witnessed beating them, but she stills has custody. DFCS has failed those poor kids.
I don’t think whatever happened with Brad was nearly as horrible as what Sheen’s twins have been living with their whole lives, but I always question if DFCS has adequately done their job.
Please don’t take my “extremely thorough” comment as praise; it’s not.
To clarify, if a parent wants to drag out a custody battle, DCFS is only too happy to accommodate. Not knowing the particulars of the dumpster full of burning tires that is the Sheen/Mueller relationship, the big difference here is that we know for sure that Pitt signed away, if only temporarily, his right to physical custody of his kids.
And when a parent does that, it creates a very different legal territory for DCFS to operate within.
Pitt went from a position of DCFS having to prove he’s unfit and then evaluate his custody rights, to a position of HIM having to prove he’s NOT an unfit parent even after both their investigation and that of the police fully cleared him. And those are two very different things as far as DCFS is concerned.
I agree @Anna and @TK, the sooner this is concluded and they can all get some semblance of normalcy in all their lives the better. The kids need to get used to the new reality that their parents have permanently split, and they will have two equal households to shuttle between going forward. Delaying acceptance of that isn’t helpful.
Now that the holidays are over I’m hopeful they’d be able to sit down with or without their legal reps and begin to hash out an agreement – ? Wishful thinking on anyone’s part.
@anna @TK
Sole custody is not her end game. The health of her family is.
The legal camp made sure to emphasize that the arrangement was TEMPORARY until the alleged drunk and abusive parent (verbally or otherwise) got his sh*t together.
I realize it behooves her detractors to make her Maleficent, setting Brad up to steal her childrwn away from him.
But some here think she’s a decent person, a diplomat and a grown up looking out for her children’s well being and wanting to see Brad get treatment.
I know, it’s such a stretch to think that the most recognized young humanitarian in Hollywood who Brad said influenced him greatly, could actually be a (gasp!) good person.
Once again @TK, you make these charges that Angelina grew up thinking her father was satan. No, she didn’t. She’s never thought or said that, and plenty of interviews from the age of 19 to present day support that.
Her father was in and out of her life on the regular, even starting things up with their mom and ending them again leaving her devastated, as Angelina describes her as sweet passive person who loved him. There are pics of Angelina at every stage of her childhood and teen years, hanging with her Dad. From movie sets, to Oscar ceremonies, to at home and elsewhere. There are interviews from her teen years where she talks about her father and her relationship to him. Just stop demonizing Angelina’s dead mother and making her a bitter witch lashing out. I get that you think it supports your current day narrative for mean Angelina stealing the children- but it’s just as FALSE.
Please put the terrible unauthorized bio by ex-con Ian halperin that couldn’t even get the names and birth dates of her children correct, DOWN.
Angelina said in an interview that she knew he had cheated on her mother and she said she herself would not break up a marriage when asked about Brad’s divorce back in 2005.
Of course, if you disbelieve Brad, Jennifer and Angelina when they say there was no affair, you might think that was “ironic,” if you believe them (and who else is there to believe?) , you do not.
@Anna
I agree totally. The sooner this is settled and they have some sort of custody agreement the better for the kids. Oh Almond not that again? Maddox is listed as living with them since 2004. Brad and Jen didn’t announce divorce until Jan 2005. And you know what? Frankly I don’t care. But the spin you are doing is beyond.
@almondmilk: she may very well want to see Brad get treatment – if that’s in fact what he needs, if his problems are that advanced – that’s admirable, agreed. But it’s a separate issue from the legal child custody case.
He’s requested joint custody, and will receive it. He’s been cleared of all potential charges, complied with the requests of the court/DCFS and pretty much complied with the testing and therapy regimens (may not have liked it, but complied); he’s set to obtain his custodial rights. Unless a dead body is found under his house, he will get them.
His potential (stress that word since it’s not confirmed) drinking/lifestyle or depression issues or inability to get along with his estranged wife will not affect this outcome. Neither will hers; both sides know this.
My point was it’s best to get the children (and the adults) used to this new reality as soon as practically possible. If the parents could sit down to hash things out that would be best, even if unlikely to happen.
@theOtherSam
The reason why there is an issue at all is because of what Brad did, that involved his therapy, his kids therapy and drink/drug testing. He signed off on that.
It involved an altercation with the children you claim he’s “set” to receive custody of. Who his team admitted do not want to see him.
There is no one claiming Brad shouldn’t have joint physical custody. Angelina’s detractors can scream that all day, it won’t make it true.
There are however, not too many moms who knowing the potential of an untreated addiction be it alcohol, drugs or both would feel comfortable giving the addicted parent unsupervised physical custody before he’s completed a treatment and therapy program (that he signed up for).
THAT, is the issue.
When he’s done with the program he gets his custody.
So what’s the problem?
@almondmilk no one besides that family knows the exact extent of Brad’s issues, or even Angelina’s; the only thing that can be readily deduced is whatever happens, joint custody will be the end game and all involved will need to accommodate that. There may be discomfort by the parties involved at certain standing feelings, situations or states of being; but they can’t and won’t supercede final legal rulings.
His team admitted his children don’t want to see him? There were RUMORS that Maddox, possibly Pax were avoiding him. Unconfirmed. Same unsubstantiated rumors said his younger kids missed him terribly and were upset at being separated. I’m not going to believe either story. It serves nothing at this point. We don’t know.
Completing any kind of ‘program’ (is he actually completing a program? there’s the agreed family counseling and testing, but is there another therapy he’s in we don’t know about?) will -not- affect the custody hearing or the final outcome.
When they get a court date they’ll get in front of a judge, and that opinion will prevail. And unless some severe criminal act by Brad or Angelina is unveiled, they will share custody from that date forward.
This is where I am as well. He had to file supporting documents to seal the papers so he went with “no self regulatig mechanism”. That was picked up in the media because their case is public. She files as well but if she agrees with him, there is no need on her part to explain or support why. These comments are pure vindicative. She knows she can’t say much more, she knows he will get 50% custody so she’s trying to damage his reputation as much as she can and hurt him in other ways (pap pics of the ski trip). What she fails to understand is that all this ends damaging her reputation much more and quite likely her kids.
This. Even her most dedicated defenders must admit she’s really shown her hand with this one. She is in full-on search and destroy mode.
I’m not sure her reputation was all that great to begin with. She has some … ahem … extremely … dedicated fans, but aside from her kids’ movie roles, she’s basically box office poison. It’s an open secret in Hollywood that no one wants to work with her, and her movie career is in free fall.
So Brad telling the world she wouldn’t let him see the kids, knowing it was a blatant lie, should damage his reputation and relationship with his kids as well, right? Neither of them are looking good here.
You wrong her lawyer has to submit memorandum too to justify the filing
“It’s an open secret in Hollywood that no one wants to work with her, and her movie career is in free fall” sounds like so much tabloid bullshit. Please provide a list of all the people who don’t want to work with her. Right, I thought not.
@TK
Did i take a wrong turn and wind up at Daily Mail’s Female First?
It’s clear that you’re hoping Angelina is the one destroyed by Brad’s alleged bad acts.
We get it. You seem to want to ‘wishful think’ her career into oblivion, her reputation in tatters, ostracized from Hollywood, and you seemingly want her to be the one to not get custody.
I find that kind of demeaning rancor distatseful.
It’s not happening. She’s got a second 20 nil paycheck coming for the Maleficent sequel the first of which earned 800 mil at the box office.
Anger with some is palpable, almost as if Angelina was a drunk rager on a plane saying awful things and attacking the kids.
That said –
A few facts: 3x Angelina has been honored by her industry (AMPAS, the Oscars). That’s 3x more than most actresses, and 2x more than Brad. She’s said for a long time – going back at least 8 years that she wasn’t that excited about acting, it was her mother’s dream, and she like directing and wanted to be home more with her kids. She did that. She scaled back.
If you want to try and paint her as a desperate actress trying to nab roles or beg her way into a nomination list by buying her own movies (ahem), have at.
But we know that’s not true. We know she was offered silver Linings first as JLaw told us, we know she was offered Gravity first, as the director told us, we know that even when her wide releasing films get trounced by reviews they still make close to a half bil worldwide.
If rancor destroyed careers, if even bad behavior destroyed careers they’d have to stop giving out Oscars. Loathed people like Scott Rudin, Harvey Weinstein, and Anne Hathaway get work yet you think Angelina who’s right with Katzenberg and Lucas is black balled. How is that going to happen when the same industry gave her the Herscholt Oscar and Producer’s Guild awards.
We know Maleficent made 800 mil worldwide, we know she’s signed on for a 20 mil sequel, kids movies? Disney is for everyone, and just because they’re Disney doesn’t mean they’ll hit. Ask Cinderella’s Cate Blanchett.
She’ll probably act way more now even though it’s not her favorite thing. She’s said she uses acting as catharsis. I predict more Oscars after this mess of Brad’s. Buckle up.
So try to hold off burying Angelina, she didn’t go through two surgeries to stay here for her kids to have misogynistic haters try to reduce her to a bobble headed actress pleading for roles. She’s an icon and legend, she doesn’t need to plead or buy her own movie and distribute it (cough) 😉
@almond
Okay James we get it she walks on water.
Angelina and Brad aren’t doing each other any favours. They need to zip it.
She’s being just as nasty and immature. If she truly signed those documents then she would zip it. Her actions are equally as damaging to the children as his. They have both handled this entire situation poorly. No one is better than the other. Period.
People keep calling Brad a alcoholic and saying that he abuses drugs, is there any proof on that?
People haven’t been saying it as speculation but as fact.
Then again these threads are full of people who act like they know these people personally.
These threads are always a shitshow.
I agree….He got drunk on the plane with his kids and wife, that is terrible…however, I know many, many people who have gotten drunk once and awhile and they are not alcoholics. There are no videos of BP staggering out of bars, or slurring his words (a’la Johnny Depp). He has passed all alcohol and drug tests, as far as we know, since the plane incident. And yet, people continue to refer to BP as a raging alcoholic. Crazy!
It seems like there’d be some type of video of him acting like a mess in the last 20 years. Even just one embarrassing boozy moment. Unless he somehow went 30 some odd years of drinking alcohol before he developed the problem.
Someone on Dlisted posted videos of Brad sort of acting the drunken fool around Diane Kruger during the Inglorious Basterds press thing, in Cannes. Like, it’s right there, you can watch him, in one case even see him burp and Kruger try to edge away. It was actually kind of awful/embarrassing to watch. There’s at least one clip of his behaviour at a press red carpet thing on femalefirst, but go through these (if the link works): http://discussion.femalefirst.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=352963&sid=223623c531ae636db1451c5e0eb8c5b3&start=15
I think Pitt isn’t the nice guy he presents himself to be.
I have my doubts about Jolie too. I don’t question her for leaving if indeed conditions were bad or unsafe for her or their children. I just question the public aspect of it. It may have been truly unavoidable, we don’t know. But for me, it comes back to the children: they’re BOTH parents, they’re BOTH responsible for bringing up the children, and I judge them BOTH for the fact that they don’t seem to live stable lives with schooling and friends and healthy socialization with people other than themselves.
No one that can only see their children with a therapist monitoring said visits has been found to be innocent. SOMETHING happened that was pretty awful on that plane. This happened to my sister-in-law’s 2nd ex husband as well – they’re both shitty parents, but he took off with the youngest after threatening to kill him (the child). Monitored visitation only.
Of course I’m not saying this is what Brad Pitt did. I have no idea how either of them act. But the people saying oh the FBI & children services’ reports are closed. Who do you think is requiring Brad to see his kids only with a therapist monitoring?
He’s required to have only monitored visitation because he signed a temporary custody agreement while DCFS was investigating. As soon as their case closed he attempted to amend it. DCFS is not involved anymore, they have absolutely no say or input into any of this anymore. But until Pitt can get the custody agreement changed (which may take time) he’s stuck with the one that was in place when DCFS was involved.
All of this is normal. Any reasonably intelligent person (or person able to afford a good lawyer) jumps through all DCFS’s hoops when asked, because it’s the best option. You can fight them on things, but it doesn’t look good and just prolongs the situation. Some of DCFS’s interventions actually help people with custody issues. If one party claims the other is an uncontrollable addict, and the accused party has months of clean urine and blood tests on file, that’s great for them. If one party alledges the living environment is unsafe or abusive, and the other party has already been cleared by DCFS, again, great news for them.
Exactly. His team rushed to say he was “cleared” because he had a movie to promote and he happily promoted it around the world while his children need therapy sessions with his sorry ass. It’s very creepy looking back at those photos knowing what we know now. He is very strange.
Most parents would be unable to do anything but worry about their kids but not brad pitt. He was worried about his movie and it flopped anyway all around the world. Oops!!!
Brad just proved Wassers point, he’s all about protecting HIS IMAGE, than protecting his family.
This is not new information. It is just that after Brad filed Wasser responded. The 10 days are up for that filing to be contested. Now it is going to be signed by the Judge or has by now. What Wasser is being quoted as saying is what has already been reported. Just dressed up as new information. Now that everything is sealed it should be quiet.
TMZ is just recycling what they have already reported on. These docs were filed on Dec. 22nd. IT has a 10 day waiting period. That is now up. So really nothing new. And hopefully this will be it for some time to come.
Sorry to nit pick, but the last day to file the opposition to the motion was today. It was a non-opposition so the points made in it were just part of the ongoing BS between them. He can now reply to the opposition )which would be dumb – because it is technically a non-opp) and that reply would be due the 12th. Then on the 17th the motion is heard and the file sealed. I imagine on the 17th Brads attorney will request a date for his RFO— he could even have the RFO ready to file under seal. But you’re right, from there… it’s all out of the public record.
Only the proceedings having something to do specifically with the kids will be under official seal. That’s a pretty broad brush, and lawyers are really good at adhering to the letter and not necessarily the spirit, so someone bent on violating it has some legal wiggle room. To REALLY protect the kids, from both sides, would be a gag order.
TK loved a lot of your comments yesterday. (: I agree that a gag order is in need so that like in Kelly Ruthorfords case, we finally stopped hearing about it being leaked. I want that to happen for both of them. And I love Angelina WAYYYYYYYYYYY more than Brad, I have never been a fan of Brad, nor felt crushy towards him. In this instance they are both doing so much damage, and even more so that he’s allowing things to be leaked because all it really does in make Angelina buckle down more and also quite possibly might make her spread her arms even tighter around her kids like, Mom will protect you, you know? Causing them to fear things they might not really have fear about.
To me she is a very damaged woman.
^ major eye roll with this comment ..I’m getting a headache.
Ridiculous..
I don’t agree with how either of them are handling this. But Angie trying to protect the children the way she thinks is right; doesn’t make her damaged. It makes her a mother doing what she thinks is best. I don’t fault her for loving their children.
Comments above on Cheating vs Drunk abusive Dad…they claim he is terrified the public will learn the truth. Here I don’t take that in the context of the plane incident per se because he was cleared. It seems an implicit threat that it’s the overall specific situation they might have been arguing about, the plane incident was the tipping point but whatever broke them up happened before, aka ‘The Truth’. Brad broke the circle of trust .
People saying they should release the supposed video, why? All it proves if they do is that they care more about the public opinion of who is wrong and who is right. Also who wants to watch a video of someone hitting there child?
So the question I’m asking is, do the *few* in This thread who are so heavily involved want a video because they want to prove a point, or is it more of wanting more to the story for entertainment?
Either way that video only needs to be seen by the courts. If a video exists, I’m sure the people who need to see it have saw it and that’s how things ended up as they have.
Also if Brad did hit his son, whose to say that this wasn’t a isolated incident? If that is what happened it’s horrible and I’m happy it is being taken so seriously.
Though, how many people on this thread can say they haven’t made a horrible laspe of judgement and haven’t done something to hurt someone you love? That they haven’t done something that was horrible when they weren’t in the right frame of mind?
The fact people are so willing to write someone off as a abusive monster because of one incident that we know of is wrong. The sad Brad stories are annoying but, why can’t a man who possibly hurt the relationship with his family not feel sad and remorseful? He doesn’t owe us a public statement or a apology, he owes his family and wife one.
Neither does Angie.
Either way this isn’t about the parents it’s about the kids, and surely this can’t be good for them.
I agree, I don’t believe anyone is entitled to see a video (if there is one, why would there be on a plane unless someone started recording on their phone when things went bad?) besides the court, and neither it nor the details of what happened need to be released to the public. The kids have a right to privacy, and this involves them. Their parents need to work it out privately so they can all start moving forward, and the public is not entitled to all of that.
Allegedly Maddox has the video on his phone.
Teens are always on their phones… Playing games or recording stuff.
So we have now another set-up with mobile phone as main character. Great if you think that recording your parents during the dispute is normal behavior.
See if they actually talked to one another I do believe she would end up with the kids most of the time like she wants. Given their lifestyles and the fact that I see Brad working more than her post divorce and being away more, it’s probably not practical to keep them shuffling back and forth across the world. I know thats the lifestyle they’ve had so far but thay was when they were all travelling as a family unit. So, as everything in life, a lot more can be achieved if the adults can sit down and hash this out with no lawyers and no therapists.
It’s the lifestyle she always said she wanted long before Brad came into the picture, so I don’t see her being the stable one who stays in one place. They can both afford assistants, cooks, cleaners and all the nannies so being a single parent doesn’t change the practicalities of their lives.
They both work a lot. She’s directed 3 films over 2 years on top of some acting and writing and producing, and she has commitments to future projects plus her UN work. Brad’s actually worked less than Jolie once you take her writing and non-film related work into account, but basically they’re even on that score.
Very true. It was much easier to conduct their nomadic family lifestyle when still a couple, they could simply discuss who would take which child/ren to what location and go ahead.
Once they finalize their divorce it’s a whole new ballgame, neither will be able to take any of the kids ouside of LA without the others’ permission and with strict limits as to where they go, for how long, how their on-site schooling is conducted, etc. All very scheduled in advance. This is not how they’ve operated for many years and will be chafing to both. It will be interesting to see how they manage going forward.
Nah, once it’s all over Angelina will have full custody because brad pitt really doesn’t want that responsibility. He wants to make movies only. And now that everything is going to be sealed I bet he will sign the kids over to her hoping the public won’t catch on when she’s always with the kids and he’s filming abroad.
@Yep you know for fact that Brad “doesn’t want that responsibility” – ? He’s been an involved father in all the kids lives since day one, even Angelina spoke of this fact over many years. He’s requested joint custody, and unless he commits a major heinous crime he will receive it. Why would he file legally for joint custody he wouldn’t want?
Going forward the children may very well spend more time with one parent over the other, depending on their schedules. They may spend long periods with AJ at home when Brad films – or vice versa, if AJ travels abroad for her work. They’re both mega-famous, busy people with huge careers entailing a LOT of travelling. It will be interesting going forward to see how they manage this.
I suspect that concept will hurt Angelina more than Brad.
Let’s be frank… the kids have appeared on more red carpets for Angelina’s movies, in more magazine spreads promoting Angelina’s projects and accompanied her on more trips than Brad ever did. And it wouldn’t surprise me if he requests that both parents have to consent to public appearances, which again, will hurt Angelina more. And it’s very possible that his request would be granted, if he goes that route.
To be honest they will both have to change their lifestyles. The kids have spent time away from their L.A. due to Brad’s filming as much as Angelina’s directorial projects. Brad has worked more than Angelina in recent years. They’ve spent months on location for Brad’s films and Angie’s. All of that is about to change.
I’ve never liked how Angelina is always blamed for traveling so much with the kids when Brad travels just as much. They have a nomadic lifestyle because of both of their parents choices, not just their mother’s. The kids have attended Kung Fu Panda, Maleficient, and World War Z red carpet premieres. The only movie premiere that wasn’t kid friendly was Unbroken. Angelina is one of many celebrities that have taken their kids to premieres for their kid friendly films.
I think within the ranting or arguing that happened on the plane Brad said something along the lines of “You’re not even my kid” or ” you’re not my real son”… something like that. It would be so incredibly hurtful and damaging that Angelina said ‘goodbye’ and ‘you now have to earn your way back into these kids lives’. I think she is protecting her children, profoundly angry at Brad, would like to hurt/punish him but doesn’t want that grievous an offence on record. That’s my take
Wow…you should write for the tabloids!! You are great at JUST MAKING STUFF UP!
LOL
Well I’m speculating as are we all
Her actions up until now have shown that she absolutely does want what happened to be public. She just doesn’t want to be the one to have to put it put it out there. You say she’s just protecting her kids, but being angry, wanting to publicly hurt him, and hinting/threatening to expose some deep, dark secret have the opposite effect.
No I didn’t say “just” protecting her kids, I think all these emotions and motives are happening at the same time and she’s barely holding back but can’t quite go there.
No, she would have said what happened or a friend would’ve leaked it.
But I guarantee we will all know eventually because Maddox is going to be 16 soon and old enough to go to ET himself if he wants to. And if brad pitt tries to say the kid has been coerced into saying what he says well let’s all remember how brad pitt once apon a time thought 16 was an age that is old enough to make up their own minds- he dated a couple of 16 year olds well into his 20s.
Agreed, Mary. As well as put his hands on him he was standing nose to nose with him and words were apparently flying. It was enough for Angelina to file for divorce and for the kids to fear him.
So Madox is old enough to go to ET and told the family stories to the media but not having some kind of dispute with his father like millions teenagers all over the world ?
Has Brad filed a motion to have unsupervised visits with his kids?That woud be my first priority if I didn’t do anything AND two agencies closed their investigations.
Once DCFS is involved, all bets are off. They operate in their own sphere, totally apart from law enforcement. They’re going to call the shots for however long Pitt agreed to abide by what they say. Pure speculation on my part, but it would appear that Pitt, relying on it being temporary, signed away access to kids, either without talking to a lawyer first or ignoring the legal advice – which is nearly always DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING.
Absolutely possible. He may may have been counting on Angie to negotiate or compromise after he had proved himself for a period of time, as implied in the word TEMPORARY. Instead he was positively shut down when tiny adjustment was requested. See lawyer’s emails from early Dec.
Sorry TK, you are incorrect. There is no DCFS file open. In matters with DCFS, they are in Children’s Court. Children’s Court does not have jurisdiction. The are in LA Superior Court. He can (and most likely will as soon as sealed) file a RFO for Modification of the Order. I have the Order in front of me. The Caption title is STIPULATION AND ORDER RE CHILD CUSTODY AND THERAPY. Try googling it. It is temporary and says so in each paragraph. It can be modified at any time Following is my speculation: this document was drafted and agreed to by Brad to ensure the children were not removed. In many cases a parent will lash out at the other parent while under investigation not realizing the children will be removed because both must be investigated. Brad volunteered to be tested and psychologically evaluated and monitored and gave no witness against AJ to keep the kids out of the system. Now that investigation is closed and the case is in family law court jurisdiction. He has the option now to ask for modification of the order and it’s very highly likely he’ll get it.
Thanks for the good information Anna.
The open threat in Jolie’s latest shot fired is pretty masterful.
If Pitt defends himself with his side of what happened, he’s doing exactly what he’s asking to court to put a stop to – namely, making his kids’ lives public fodder.
If he resolves to stay silent for the long game, and let this all run its course until he’s granted joint custody (which is basically inevitable), it looks like he’s not fighting for his kids.
If he says all right, enough of this crap, I want a gag order, he looks like he has something to hide.
So the implied threat in Jolie’s latest shot fired is rather shrewd.
Yep, pretty impressed. I don’t like this dirty public fighting one bit, but this was an ‘ooh’ move to me.
I actually think it backfired and hurts her.
I think so too, especially since she is supposedly participating in therapy with the kids. Clearly, she’s still angry and frankly, displaying it in this way could make it possible for Brad to get more one-on-one time with kids granted, if her anger is this palpable after four months.
Sometimes, I wonder if Angelina actually listens and processes what she says. Nevermind all of the good Dad Brad talk… my mind goes to all of the press she did for Unbroken and about miraculous forgiveness can be when it came to Louis Zamperini.
Just talk, it seems.
Kaiser has always written about the PR game Angelina plays being one of the best, even before this incident. She has always shown (and it is well known) that Angie is VERY shrewd about her image (rightly so) and I don’t think this situation is any different. She’s protecting the kids, NO DOUBT, but she is also VERY much playing for herself, her own image after this is all settled.
This is not a judgement, it’s more observational.
Angie strikes me as one of the most insecure people out there. I do believe they dont like each other and stayed bc of what they thought other people would think. His acting career isnt making anyone jealous. Every time you read about her and the kids, it’s about toys and candy…kinda like an immature parent would do…I’m sure he is not a saint, but neither is she. . .
Oh well then since it strikes you then that must be true about her….whew! I’m relieved.
Who knew GOOP and un-coupling would ever become attractive?
OMG. Just get the divorce already and get back to work, the both of them. Focus on the kids and each other’s respective health. This needs to be in the How Not to Divorce Hollywood style book along with the Amber Heard-Johnny Depp bs.
The relationship was over. She wants sole custody of those children. To her they are “hers”. This is how she plays her cards. I think she most likely has control issues. Control freaks lash out when they dont get their way. JMO
Maybe, but I suspect whatever happened on that plane was part of a larger issue. If I understand correctly (please correct me if I’m wrong), he had pretty much checked out of family life for the past year or two and did whatever he pleased. That meant, in addition to her difficult health issues, she was the primary. The primary parent often feels justified in wanting sole custody of the kids. I suspect she feels, like many mothers, that she can enumerate all the fundamental ways in which she has been the essential caretaker, and organizer of kid logistics etc., while he’s slacked off. That is not to say I agree with that–I think joint custody is almost always in the best interests of the kids, but that can be hard to see when you’re still feeling really angry, and have been probably for some time.
@tracking You have a point. Maybe Angelina does feel like she can be the primary caregiver if she knows Brad checked out of the family life a while ago. However, both children need their parents. Some speculations ahead. Many individuals on here thought it was odd to see Jamie traveling with Angelina and the kids more than Brad in the last year. I would also like to add, Angelina seemed like she was more in love with Brad as a father than probably a partner. If she felt like Brad checked out on being a family man she checked out of the relationship.
“I suspect whatever happened on that plane was part of a larger issue.”
tracking, I totally agree and have said as much. what some folks (those want to paint this as a one-off “Brad got wasted and raged at his wife/kid” and are resisting/refuting the idea that the marriage was breaking down) seem to forget is that she had secured a rental for herself and the kids a full month before the Plane Incident. she was planning/preparing for an exit (PLANNING, not necessarily going to act on it). I think she and Pitt had already discussed any issues they had and she was in “wait and see” mode. As in, waiting to see if his behavior improved or if he was at least TRYING.
when the plane thing when down, she realized “NOPE, this is over” and that’s why she bolted and filed. and, again, I can’t blame her for it. she did what she needed to do for her kids.
The relationship is over and it’s because brad pit doesn’t know how to behave around his own children anymore. He thought Angelina would want to preserve her own image so she would stick it out with him … She chose her children. Shocker!!!
Unless exposed to investigations by CPS then you really aren’t aware of what is viewed as ‘acceptable’ by them. I can tell you first hand, here in NY, that you can do drugs, deal drugs from your home, be arrested for doing so, and HAVE THE CHILD WITH YOU DURING THESE ACTIVITIES, and still do not lose visitation with your children. I have no dog in this hunt but I would be very careful with assumptions that since Brad was not found ‘guilty’ of anything and didn’t ‘lose’ visitation that he is ‘innocent’. Again speaking first hand you can have been imprisoned for said activities and it doesn’t mean you can’t have visitation. In fact, abuse of one child does not mean the other children are endangered, according to family court judges (here in NY). In our case the judge decided that since said activities occurred in the evening hours that said child was safe as long as they slept elsewhere. That yes of course drug addicts and dealers would be sure to visit the house after 5 p.m. We had the means so we could afford to have depositions and numerous court appearances (paying a private lawyer vs. the public defenders that many are forced to use due to financial restraints) so after thousands and thousands of dollars we finally achieved our goal –supervised visitations in a safe agency for our child with their father. While involved in the family court process I saw people who didn’t have money and were forced to accept some really poor visitation rulings for their child and wayward parent. For this reason I reserve judgment on what happened and whether Brad is ‘innocent’.
At this point, I feel like they both need to STFU and keep everything locked down. I know it’s incredibly hard with their level of celebrity b/c the interest from the press and the desire of the public to know as much as possible… and I am sure that if either of them completely refused to release statements at all then the worst of the tabloids would simply make things up and I don’t know how they’d even really combat that effectively, except perhaps to keep a united front and say ‘No comment on our family’s private issues’, full stop, over and over again.
That said, they both need to put the kids first, be quiet, focus on co-parenting, and bring the legal and custody aspects to a close as quickly and fairly as possible. I find both of them with their press-feeding releases to be behaving terribly.
+1000
So Spiegel slams Jolie and Wasser slams Pitt. I thought this was new information until I found out this was filed with the courts right after the Spiegel’s memo. If the documents are sealed now (thank god) it’s best for the kids. I just hope their parents can grow up, stop slinging mud and do what’s best for their kids because right now it looks like they only care about their images.
That in a nutshell..
I’m out for now..
Oh who knows? Anyone old enough to remember Sonny and Cher and their music? Sonny Bono wrote a very sad song, You Better Sit Down Kids. You can youtube it.
I know you don’t want this, neither do we
But sometimes things happen
That we can’t foresee
Now try to be calm, kids
And don’t look so sad
I decided to stop commenting about B&A for about two months. Today I saw some beautiful photos of Angelina and her kids except madd and was very sad because this beautiful family is broken and I doubt they will comeback together. I’m still a fan of both but I’m very angry with Brad to allow this to happen to the family I saw him on tv crying to have, so sad for them all. Imo they were having problems for awhile. I believe Brad could not deal with Angie’s medical issues and began drinking and smoking more and it got out of his control. I do believe Angelina had her issues coming to terms with her medical problems. Imo, it’s only natural to take a toll on the family. Angelina and Brad are both wealthy so they might not have worked as hard as they should to keep the family together.
Bottom line is, it would appears Brad’s behavior was the straw that broke the camels back. I also believe Angelina was covering for Brad’s out of control drinking and smoking bad behavior and when he went “toe to toe” with MADD she just has had enough and walked away. I wish them the best and hope the children learn from their parents divorce how to treat their partners when whey grow up, jmo. I’m done commenting about them.
One last thing before I signed off of B&A drama. I’m wondering how Brad feels knowing instead of working working on his marriage to keep his family together, he spent months away making that flop of a movie with MC that will never break even. Therefore, his family is destroyed and his movie is a flop. what a bad choice he made made. I bet if he had to do it over he would have chose to see a counsellor or go to rehab to save his family.
@Joannie
If you feel like you shouldn’t be attacked for sharing your opinions, you shouldn’t do it to others.
BnA, people magazine claimed that Brad Pitt was in counseling before the incident, weird how that hasn’t been mentioned much.
But yeah, he thought he could get an Oscar for the movie as his agent told him he would regret not doing allied – it was in the Sony leaks lol. Now it’s one of his flops and the critics trashed him for being trash in that movie- he’s basically the worst thing that ever happened to allied. Lmao
Another case of listening to your agent instead of doing what’s best for your family?
BnA fn I wanted to say ITA with you. Brad chose doing movies and maybe hiding away from real issues at home, like helping Angelina overcome her medical issues. He is beyond rich he could have take time out yet he is chasing one movie after another. He chose to do the flop Allied and even did promotion and gloated how happy is his fans are standing by him, I thought that was insulting. Instead of high fiving Marrion Cotilard at permiures he should have stayed and done the family therapies instead of bitching about it later and drying to pressure Angelina via his despicable lawyer to force her to allow more times with kids .
Brad is his own worst enemy instead of seeking help and asking for forgiveness he spends his time attacking Angelina the mother of his kids. No matter how much he hides these court documents are there to be seen and in them all the kids will see is how their father attacked their mother and how their mother tried to protect them and tried for him to get professional help.
I’m sorry to say this but Jennifer Aniston was right when she said Brad is missing a sensitivity chip. Now what will he do slim down , get botox and get a younger actress girlfriend , a middle aged man in mid life crisis. Instead of fighting for his whole family he rather see 4 kids who are innocent enough to drink his kook -aid yet he rather forget Maddox and Pax, and his lawyer even said that.Again the court documents are there to prove.
Their family stopped existing after another flop – their probably last movie together which Angelina directed.
The case is closed bc it has moved to family court bc of the divorce.. They think Jolie is the better parent, so she has custody for now. CPS is just a bunch of loser social workers trying to get a judge to act the way they recommend. Family court is a judge. A judge trumps a social worker. Just because, the are getting a divorce and are in family court, does not mean anything bad happened to the kids. It could just mean a nasty divorce with 2 nut cases. Family court will reunite the kids w/ their father, but nothing drastic.
yes, a judge will see exactly what happened on the plane and how it affected their children.
It all would have been best if brad Pitt followed through with the recommendations FOR his children’s sake because now they might have to testify against him. Perhaps pax and Maddox will have their own lawyers which brad pitt doesn’t want.
How do you know what he does or doesn’t want? I remember reading NBC News wrote the children’s accounts to DCFS did not corroborate abuse. It’s just interesting to me how the wild accusations are flying on both “teams,” when we don’t actually know what happened on that plane, who is a good parent or not, or what anyone’s motivations are. SMH.
@Yep a judge might hear what happened on the plane. Then he’d have to hear the other side, about Jolie’s issues or faults. Then a counter story…until he shuts the whole thing -down-….he/she is not going to sit there and listen to a load of back & forth about every single thing each did to upset the family or annoy the other. That’s not what they’re going to court for.
They’re there to grant the divorce and hear brief presentations about why Jolie should or should not received full custody, if in fact that’s what she asks for (I’m going along with the notion her full custody request was temporary, and she isn’t making it permanent). “Brief” is the operative word, because again, if there are no heinous criminal acts committed by either parent they will be granted -joint-custody.
Why do you believe the kids will be called to testify? About what? Pitt was cleared by investigating authorities. It’s those reports the judge will review. Unless some new awful accusation is brought up, the kids aren’t entering that court room – there’s no reason.
This doesn’t preclude Maddox, now a teen, from refusing to visit his father, even after joint custody is granted. At a certain age a child’s wishes will be taken into consideration as to whether they want contact with someone. He is at or close to that age. Not so the others.
Calling social workers “losers” trying to get the judges to listen is one of the most innacurate, inflated cases I’ve ever seen. They’re losers because they want to actively help the children in need? Do you think social workers like making little to no money because they believe in a cause? I find the generalization, and the derogatory statement of them being “losers” to be a childish assesment of a very serious agency.
Of course he’s terrified because whatever it is will damage his precious image.
If you need any proof that he cares more about his career and image just look at how he promoted his movie and no one knew or believed that he had to have a therapist and drug tests to see his children. Now we know that was true and look at the photos and video of him happily promoting his flop and then his team proudly announced his vacation. Very bizarre for a parent who has to have therapy and drug tests just to see his kids. You’d think he would be in La the way Angelina has 24/7 with her kids and no break.
I wonder if Laura wasser had to fight for the kids to be able to vacation.
I have a feeling that MADDOX told everything to his little friends so it will eventually get out to the public.
Wow. She has always before this split amicably. Maybe they hanged on way too long. There seems to be tons of hate going around. I hope it hasn’t been the case of “let’s not split for the kids sake” and then kids go through rough with all this hate and anger -storm they’ve been collecting towards each other for how long.
Wow @ some of these comments. This has touched y’all deeply….
Um . . . yeah. *crawls out of the wormhole*
Angie has gone ballistic on him. Either there’s more to the story and/or he’s done something else no one but the family knows about. I feel bad for him (not being able to see his kids) but they are both playing this out in the press and I don’t want to know. She has her secrets too. They both need to shut up.
Nah, I think he went ballistic on her kids on the plane and again with his lawyers help right before xmas. That was low. And they have been low key threatening her since this all started with certain wording.
People seem to forget Brad Pitt own sources all but admitted to abuse through people magazine – of course it’s not abuse in their minds because “he was adamant that he did not hit him in the face” (as if that’s the only form of abuse) He just Stood nose to nose with him , screamed in his face and shoved him a little bit but that was an accident. 🙄 Bottom line he did something that forced Angelina into filing for divorce and scared the sh-t out of their kids so much so that his own lawyer admits the ones who can’t be forced don’t want to see him.
So happy Laura wasser mentioned how they are in this situation because of Brad Pitt but someone needs to tell him that HE IS NOT THE VICTIM and the only people believing he is are his hardcore fans and paid for trolls.
We see what his hardcore fans do for his career with allied flopping. NOTHING!!!! Lmao
People in glass houses….
Brad missed a major opportunity, IF he wanted his family back he should have made a public apology when he was cleared , that he messed up ,made a mistake and he wants his family to forgive. I bet you not only Angelina and kids would have had him back in seconds his public adulation woyld have gone to high heaven. He would have got what he wanted a major image boost what a great man he is , what a great dad he is and what a great actor he is, it would have been win win for Brad. He missed a great opportunity, Instead he spent his time bitching and doing a smear campaign against his wife and doing PITTy party for himself,and getting his lawyer to do his dirty attack dog routine. His fans would have loved him more, instead he has his fans attacking on his behalf his kids and wife.
+1 BINGO!! @Lucy have been saying exactly THIS from the start!
So, for 12 years he was a great father and partner whom she married just 2 years ago and suddenly he is such a bad parent?
Sure!
He went with her through the death of her mom and aunt. He was by her side when she removed her breasts. So now brad has a problem, a problem angelina is no stranger to, she left him instead of helping him.
They both annoy me that im disgusted. And dont tell me that angelina And brad aren’t trying to save face. Angelina has to loose a lot because without brad pitt, shes not that powerful as she thinks she can be. She has no significant education so she wont be respected anymore in Political circles because when shes a nobody and loses her pr power, because thats all she got, her fame.
She didn’t say he is a bad father she even vouched for him during the investigation according to his lawyer, he just mess up this time, what the kids saw on the plane was not good emotionally for the kids to witness
Stop people saying she said he is bad father
The best punishment for both of them and they both deserve it would be the judge’s decision to send the kids to a school, not more homeschooling.
Is Angie’s goal to keep her kids safe from Brad, or publicly humiliate him is what I wonder. And if her big focus is on public humiliation, would a raging drunk compel her to do that, or has he done something else to make her so vengeful.
I dont understand what job the Olivia Popes on each side are doing. On BP’s side they seem to keep the press on a leash in exchange for a future exclusive. But on AJ’s side? How is it in her favor to be seemingly leaking as well. I understand that the “never explain never complain” is a hard high road to take especially when smeared the way she is but ultimately it would be in her favor to maintain dignity. Her lawyer should refrain from headlines-ready quotes in her filings until it is all sealed. There will be joint custody -that’s the stated end goal- and everybody knows that BP’s action(s) started it all, so why engaging in this at that point. Her forever haters will keep on hating no matter what.
I think a lot of people are missing the point? Media & public can choose sides & lawyers can mudsling ,but what it comes down to ….there are six children that have clearly been affected by what happened. You can say brad was cleared all you want & maybe he didn’t do something terrible? But his children think he did & has strained their relationship. That has to be the focus. Not all the other speculations about their marriage & how they are currently behaving? Whether brad was cleared cannot be the argument when the fact is, the children are in therapy & the elder boys want little contact with their dad. That is the damage that has been done. That is what has to be mended.
Brad spent a lot of time away from the family last year and I think the kids are closer to Angelina because of that. He missed a lot of family things. I think for Angelina his anger towards the kids was the last straw. I still believe he cheated. I think that is part of why their la s t year was so tense. It won’t be long before he has some younger thing hanging on his arm. It has been said that Brad is missing a sensitivity chip, we will see. However, Angelina is strong, smart and determined so he better be careful. Looks and charm can only carry you so far. Truth always prevails.
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