Lady Gaga: Madonna ‘wouldn’t look me in the eye & tell me I’m reductive’

42nd Toronto International Film Festival - 'Gaga: Five Foot Two' - Premiere

Here are some photos of Lady Gaga at the Toronto International Film Festival on Friday. She premiered her new documentary – which no one asked for – at TIFF. The documentary is called Lady Gaga: Five Foot Two. It actually comes out on Netflix, which somehow makes me less angry about this – I have a great deal of affection for good rock-star documentaries, and the idea that people would actually line up at a movie theater to see this was making me go “????” But if it’s coming out on Netflix, that makes more sense. It’s not in the same vein as Madonna’s Truth or Dare, in that it’s not about “verite” scenes interspersed with concert performances. Critics say it’s good and that Gaga comes across well, and like a real person behind the ever-changing on-stage persona.

Personally, I do feel like I’m doing a double-take whenever I see photos of her this year. Everything about her is so different, and yet… not. Like, I can still recognize her as Gaga or Gaga-adjacent, but the wigs are so different, the makeup is so different, and yes, the face work makes her look so different. For the photocall, Gaga wore a militaristic black Elie Saab suit which is… okay. The premiere look was the thing with the bellbottoms and the pink coat. I don’t mind the idea behind this at all, I just wish the color and fabric choices had been a bit better. If this had been different shades of red or burgundy or maybe blue and purple, I feel like this would have worked. That ensemble is by Lanotta Studio.

In the documentary, Gaga speaks about the years-long beef between herself and Madonna.

You’ve got to hand it to Lady Gaga: She knows how to intrigue you. In advance of her Netflix documentary Gaga: Five Foot Two, out September 22, she released several short clips from the film, including one tantalizing scene where Gaga comes clean about her beef with Madonna … though it cut off just before she got to the good stuff. Tonight at the Toronto Film Festival, though, the Chris Moukarbel-directed doc screened in full. So, what does Gaga say about the iconic singer, who has thrown shade at Gaga in part (and most particularly) because she feels Gaga’s song “Born This Way” ripped off her own song “Express Yourself”?

The answer comes early in “Five Foot Two,” as an unvarnished Gaga gets real while sitting on the curb. “The thing with me and Madonna is that I admired her always and still admire her, no matter what she might think of me,” says Gaga. “The only thing that really bothers me about her is [that] I’m Italian and from New York, so if I have a problem with somebody, I’m gonna tell you to your face.”

To hear Gaga tell it, if Madonna would just take her comments straight to the source, there’d be no beef. “She wouldn’t look me in the eye and tell me I’m reductive,” says Gaga, using one of the Material Girl’s pet adjectives. But there’s still hope, Gaga says, grinning: “I just want Madonna to push me up against the wall and kiss me and tell me I’m a piece of sh-t.”

[From Vulture]

I guess we’re supposed to think Gaga is being a provocateur with this comment, but I think it comes across as sort of sad. Not to defend Madonna – who copied-and-pasted other people’s work for years before Gaga was ever a thing – but Madonna was so smart about how she handled the problem of Gaga. Madonna talked some sh-t here and there a few times and that was it. Madonna never engaged with Gaga on a personal level, or in person, because Madonna ultimately didn’t give a sh-t. Everyone knew Gaga was copying Madonna’s hooks. Madonna didn’t have to come up to Gaga and personally engage her because Madonna knows a thirsty famewhore begging for attention when she sees one (birds of a feather).

42nd Toronto International Film Festival - Lady Gaga Photocall

42nd Toronto International Film Festival - Lady Gaga Photocall

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  1. Nicole says:

    Oof gaga had some recent face work?
    I’m interested in seeing what the documentary says. But my thing is if you’re going to talk sh*t you better be able to say it to my face. That’s for famous and non famous people

  2. Megan says:

    She needs a new dermatologist. Her fillers look like sh*t.

  3. Char says:

    You copied her, she called you out, move on and work in some great pop music together!

  4. Felicia says:

    Gaga is a Madonna wanna-be. She copied her everything. Neither of them are particularly talented singers but Madonna got to where she is because she knew how to use shock and controversy to keep herself in the headlines wayyyy before anyone else did. Up until Madonna, people tried to hide their scandals. That woman deliberately created them. All of Gaga’s outrageous costumes ie: the meat dress etc were specifically chosen to get her headlines and she was attempting to follow the Madonna roadmap.

    Surely I’m not the only person who sees this?

    • Trillion says:

      yeah, but the big difference is Gaga is a musician’s musician. Madonnas talents lie elsewhere.

    • nikzilla says:

      Gaga can actually sing. I didn’t think so either but I heard her sing one of the Joanne songs a Capella on the Howard Stern show and it was a-mazing.

    • adastraperaspera says:

      This is my take, yes. I am one of the lovers of “Express Yourself,” so I could never stand listening to “Born This Way.” With Gaga, though I agree she plays piano well and has a nice singing voice, I just see a “copy of a copy.” I wonder what she might have been had she sought to be more original. About Madonna, for her inspiration I give a nod to Cher, who was a wonderful provocateur and master of image reinvention. Also Bowie.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      ” She copied her everything”

      No, she didn’t. Some things were heavily influenced, yes. But not everything. Gaga has done/can do things that Madonna never could because of her lack of talent.

      Madonna never went so far past unconventionally beautiful to be “ugly”. Gaga would go full on alien-style, and that is something Madonna would never do. Madonna always had to present as f*ckable. Plus, Madonna couldn’t sing half of what Gaga does, play the piano, write music, etc. There are a lot of areas where Gaga has more in common with Billy Joel or a legit singer/song-writer, while Madonna was only ever a pop star. She was great at the pop star thing, but she doesn’t have the scope Gaga does.

      • Exactly spot-on, Tiffany!

      • Jordan says:

        Here here Tiffany!

      • Elle says:

        Tiffany you have to remember that at Madonna’s time sex was supposed to be free but nobody was actually liberated. 20 years ago ‘slut’ was considered a legitimate and valid word that women many deserved (!!). SO presenting herself as fuckable was something.
        Now on the other hand Gaga defending ‘ugliness’ when she cannot actually accept her own face, I think it’s a bit hypocritical at best.

    • Nev says:

      WORD.

      and yeah she’d say it to your face.

  5. Bridget says:

    That’s an awfully one-sided feud.

    And LOL at the idea that Madonna wouldn’t tell Gaga anything to her face. Which also just shows that Madonna is clearly uninterested in even meeting Gaga, still.

  6. Bee says:

    “She wouldn’t look me in the eye and tell me I’m reductive”. Yes she would. She probably just can’t be bothered. With that hairstyle especially, Gaga is slowly morphing in Kate Hudson in the face, I can’t un-see it.

    • Jordan says:

      If she can be bothered to say it to tabloids, why can’t she to her face? Why would anyone bother to trash talk if theyre not willing to say it face to face? Because madonna is an insecure coward. Gaga is too as she didn’t work the nerve up to ask her in their face to face. But don’t pretend Madonna can’t be bothered to reply to Gaga. Same bucket.

  7. Neelyo says:

    Gaga’s problem was she believed her own hype. Unlike Madonna who provided years of good pop music before she went serious, Gaga went full on pretentious within a few years.

    Artpop proved that her reach far exceeded her grasp.

  8. gobo says:

    Madonna would have absolutely no problem saying that to Gaga’s face. But there’s no way she would waste time even considering seeking her out to do so. I don’t say that as an admirer of either.

  9. Happy21 says:

    I love her and she’s always been beautiful but at this point I wish she would stop screwing with her face. The fillers are over the top, making her look too puffy. Please Gaga – STOP!

  10. ANOTHER DAY says:

    It’s kind of hard to be “new”…..hasn’t everything really in its purest been done before ? there are just new takes and (re) interpretations. Some folks need to get over themselves.

  11. Pam says:

    Gaga is a great singer and Madge can’t touch her own recorded high notes in concert. Only 1 song ever sounded minuscule like Express Yourself it’s true. But not enough, really. Gaga can play several instruments masterfully and Madge can barely play the guitar. So there

  12. Erica_V says:

    The outfit was designed by her sister.

  13. Lisa says:

    Madonna is reductive. She ripped off of everyone and took credit for being innovative. Stealing isn’t innovative.

  14. Ozogirl says:

    Gaga looks fantastic in the first picture! Best look in years!

    I recall 2-3 songs off of Born This Way that sounded just like Madonna’s old work. There were a few songs on Gaga’s first album that sounded a lot like Gwen Stefani too. Whether these were intentional or not, I don’t know. I generally like Gaga and I’m looking forward to this documentary!

  15. Poop says:

    The documentary no one asked for? Her Superbowl performance was one the most-watched televised events of all time. Is it still “in” to not like Gaga?

    • Dante1970 says:

      Her Super Bowl failed to get the ratings of Katy Perry, so she had her PR team announce “It was the most watched musical event of all-time on all platforms.” I used to like Gaga, but now realize how she exploits marginalized groups for her publicity. The first three albums were great. The last two, not so much.

      • Poop says:

        Hi, I’m pretty sure the SECOND-most watched event is still a pretty great achievement. By exploiting marginalized groups, do you mean LGBT? Because she’s talked about them since the first album. Which you said was great.

  16. ValiantlyVarnished says:

    The biggest difference between Madonna and Gaga? Gaga can actually sing. She’s leaps and bounds more talented than Madonna. And Madonna has always felt the need to be competitive other female artists. She’s talked crap about everyone from Whitney Houston to Beyoncé – basically anyone more talented or more popular at the time than her.

  17. Jordan says:

    I’ve got a soft spot for Gaga as I just watched AHS Hotel last week. I loved it.

  18. Shannon says:

    Maybe I’m not understanding “famewhore” because I don’t really see her as that. She’s got legitimate talent and I actually don’t really see pap walks from her often, unless I’m just missing them. It seems like she wants to be an entertainer and musician, which is what she is, and I can’t find a problem with that. I do wish she wouldn’t mess with her face.