Meryl Streep to Rose McGowan: ‘I didn’t know. I don’t tacitly approve of rape’

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As we discussed yesterday, Rose McGowan tweeted out some insults directed at the women who will wear black in solidarity at the Golden Globes. Rose specifically insulted Meryl Streep, writing: “Actresses, like Meryl Streep, who happily worked for The Pig Monster, are wearing black @goldenglobes in a silent protest. YOUR SILENCE is THE problem. You’ll accept a fake award breathlessly & affect no real chance. I despise your hypocrisy. Maybe you should all wear Marchesa.” Rose has since deleted the tweet. I suspect that Rose is a bit like old-school Demi Lovato – she gets herself all hyped up and starts bashing people right and left on social media, then she regrets it and deletes the offensive tweets. Anyway, I’m not sure if anyone really expected Meryl to respond, but Meryl did. Meryl offered a statement to media outlets, directed to Rose:

It hurt to be attacked by Rose McGowan in banner headlines this weekend, but I want to let her know I did not know about Weinstein’s crimes, not in the 90s when he attacked her, or through subsequent decades when he proceeded to attack others.

I wasn’t deliberately silent. I didn’t know. I don’t tacitly approve of rape. I didn’t know. I don’t like young women being assaulted. I didn’t know this was happening.

I don’t know where Harvey lives, nor has he ever been to my home. I have never in my life been invited to his hotel room. I have been to his office once, for a meeting with Wes Craven for “Music of the Heart” in 1998.

HW distributed movies I made with other people. HW was not a filmmaker; he was often a producer, primarily a marketer of films made by other people- some of them great, some not great. But not every actor, actress, and director who made films that HW distributed knew he abused women, or that he raped Rose in the 90s, other women before and others after, until they told us. We did not know that women’s silence was purchased by him and his enablers.

HW needed us not to know this, because our association with him bought him credibility, an ability to lure young, aspiring women into circumstances where they would be hurt.

He needed me much more than I needed him and he made sure I didn’t know. Apparently he hired ex Mossad operators to protect this information from becoming public. Rose and the scores of other victims of these powerful, moneyed, ruthless men face an adversary for whom Winning, at any and all costs, is the only acceptable outcome. That’s why a legal defense fund for victims is currently being assembled to which hundreds of good hearted people in our business will contribute, to bring down the bastards, and help victims fight this scourge within.

Rose assumed and broadcast something untrue about me, and I wanted to let her know the truth. Through friends who know her, I got my home phone number to her the minute I read the headlines. I sat by that phone all day yesterday and this morning, hoping to express both my deep respect for her and others’ bravery in exposing the monsters among us, and my sympathy for the untold, ongoing pain she suffers. No one can bring back what entitled bosses like Bill O’Reilly, Roger Ailes, and HW took from the women who endured attacks on their bodies and their ability to make a living.. And I hoped that she would give me a hearing. She did not, but I hope she reads this.

I am truly sorry she sees me as an adversary, because we are both, together with all the women in our business, standing in defiance of the same implacable foe: a status quo that wants so badly to return to the bad old days, the old ways where women were used, abused and refused entry into the decision-making, top levels of the industry. That’s where the cover-ups convene. Those rooms must be disinfected, and integrated, before anything even begins to change.”

[From People]

As I keep saying, just as we need to believe women when they tell us they were abused, we need to believe women when they say they didn’t know. We can nitpick and scream “but you should have known!” because hindsight is 20/20 and don’t we feel smug when we yell that? But really, most people didn’t know the half of it. We knew he was gross. We believed that he was sleeping with consenting women as a quid pro quo for movie roles. In gossip, we made his victims complicit for decades. My point? I believe Meryl. I believe this: “He needed me much more than I needed him and he made sure I didn’t know.” For real.

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  1. Snazzy says:

    “He needed me much more than I needed him …” Yes that’s what got me to, and actually, it’s that line that makes me believe Meryl. She’s a strong advocate now, and that’s what counts

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      I like her statement here.

      I didn’t believe her until now.

      She made the point correctly when she says ‘he needed us not to know’. Spot on.

      And Rose needs therapy, at this point. She needs rest. Easy to say than doing , I know.

      • angie0717 says:

        SilverUnicorn is a life coach! Love it all

      • Seraphina says:

        I agree 100%. Her statement is very powerful and true. HW needed her and other powerful women not to know because that gave him creditability. To see powerful woman comfortable around him put his victims at ease, which makes him all the more of a demon. It makes me sick to think how calculated the bastard was and he deserves what he gets.

        And yes, Rose does need therapy. Her anger is still there and it’s very raw. I’m not saying she is wrong in what she is feeling but therapy would help her begin to mend herself.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Angie0707

        Hopefully not, as I wouldn’t wish my life, abuse and rapes included, upon my worst enemy.

      • ctgirl says:

        Ross’s message is getting lost in her unfocused rage. I hope that she is able to harness that rage to effect change rather than spiral downwards and lose credibility.

      • SoulSPA says:

        I disagree with the criticism of Rose. She is a victim and she’s been traumatized many times over. She has the right to express herself as she feels without judgement from others and not make her trauma and feelings a PR exercise.

      • milla says:

        I still cannot believe her. How come so many actors outside of hollyweird heard? Nope, she just didn’t care. He did it for decades, she just turned the blind eye. Don’t let her perfectly structured word confuse you.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Hugs wounded healer SilverUnicorn.

        Over time I think we evolve because this is hard and new. This is why I think early statements by some were just honest and others weren’t. The ones that weren’t truthful didn’t believe this would turn into a movement and now they can’t shut up overexplaining.
        The victims keep talking of course, but some admitted they knew he was a pig as we all did and made their statements and carried on.
        Classic tactic and it is how Terry Richardson, John Casablancas, Gerald Marie (married Linda E) and other trash lured young girls.
        There are well knowns who don’t harass established people so that they can use them as bait. They go above and beyond for their bait and give them marked special treatment.
        But it is usually highly regarded superstars like Meryl and Nicole K with distinguished careers. A lot of women are coming to the realization they have been used as lures, and it is a sickening feeling.

        Kaiser, Thank you for keeping the narrative going.

      • FLORC says:

        I get rose. She was silenced and attacked for so long. Her pain only made worse by the fear. Now she’s able to speak and it’s coming out as continuous screaming. This is her therapy. It’s cathartic.

        I believe Meryl was somewhat guarded. I also believe she remained willfully ignorant.
        He was abusing his power, but you assume everyone is consenting… which… ugh makes no sense if you think about it. She just didn’t think further. Those around her kept it under wraps. And she worked with him very guarded from this. She didn’t defend him. She didn’t help him. It is what it is.

      • Green_eyes says:

        Totally agree W/ Silver Unicorn on all counts. I wish Rose would get counseling. It seems at this point Social Media is hindering Rose and fueling her hate w/ every supportive or non supportive comment she reads. Her wounds are so raw & deep. When we are hurting that deep its too easy to lash out at others thrust our pain.. even easier now w/ social media.

      • Enough Already says:

        Now we’re talking about Streep instead of the victims and how to affect lasting change. Unless it’s simple, clear, strong messages of unmitigated support none of these actresses should be addressing/explaining themselves to McGowan. She doesn’t need that right now. When someone is going through the stages of grief you just don’t redirect the conversation. Whether pristine or problematic, PR vetted or unscripted, Rose’s reaction is organic. And no, she shouldn’t remove herself from social media. if she does then that space is filled with the Amber Tamblyns, Meryl Streeps and Matt Damons of the world. So what if it’s messy? Dealing with the afternath of rape and abuse is messier and yes, we owe it to her and others like her to not look away or concern troll her responses into a more palatable capsule.

      • Moon Beam says:

        Rose has been like that on social media as long as she has been on there. She posts impulsively, it’s just her way. I do hope she gets some closure and peace of mind, but her tweets do not surprise me in the least. It’s just her personality.

      • Taxi says:

        Rose has needed therapy for a long time. She’s always been hanging close to an edge.

      • babykitten says:

        @Enough Already, I disagree with you. Meryl Streep was specifically called out and accused. She had every right to defend herself. If we’re talking about Meryl Streep, it’s because Rose brought her into the conversation. It would seem that Meryl first attempted to speak to Rose privately, and when Rose chose not to handle it privately, Meryl felt she needed to address the accusations. I don’t blame her.

      • Purplehazeforever says:

        @ Enough Already…I agree…the focus is now shifting to Meryl and what we believe about what Meryl knew when the focus needs to stay on the survivors of Weinstein’s abuse. As a survivor myself, I can see why some are concerned with Rose’s tweets. There’s a lot of anger and it’s justified. But sometimes you lose yourself in that anger and it becomes a lonely and dark place. I only hope Rose is taking care of herself and in therapy.

      • Enough Already says:

        Babykitten
        Streep did not need to address McGowan in public if she addressed her in private and that didn’t go well. Streep’s career and reputation will be just fine. I think she should have considered the big picture.

        Purplehazeforever
        You said it well. I hope you’re in a good place now with healing and peace. Sending you hugs :)

    • Carol says:

      I believed her before and I believe her now and I want us to stop focusing on whether an actor/actress knew or should have known and focus instead on the executives who paid out the hush money settlements that kept the system intact for so long.

      • Cranberry says:

        Yes. Let’s start shining the light on big studio executives that have been wheeling and dealing with these predators for ages. The established studios and corporate talent agencies need to start getting exposed.

      • Mika says:

        I believe Meryl. She basically lives her life outside of Hollywood. She makes films of course, but people have said she doesn’t even go to parties of other actors , she is basically a homebody into her own life and world.

        I feel horrible for Rose. She is trying to heal from a traumatic situation, I can see why she’s angry and lashing out. But Meryl was not in any way responsible for HW.

    • trrr says:

      Yeah there were actually articles on how he prepared for the expose to drop and apparently he wrote to important people saying it would help him/make him look good to be seen with them, or something along those lines. I mean rich powerful people behind the scenes, not actresses.

    • Stevie says:

      Come on!!! I really love Meryl, my son is friends with her daughter from college, but no…I don’t believe her. If I, someone with no TV, who doesn’t go to the movies and never reads any gossip except for here, knew something was fishy with that Weinstein guy, Meryl must have heard something. I still don’t believe she never heard anything. If so, she gets the Clueless of the Decade Award.
      And Rose has the right to mourn and heal any way she chooses. I won’t judge her lashing out.

      • babykitten says:

        But what did you know? Everyone here who claims they live in BF wherever and say even they knew, most likely “knew” that HW took part in a quid pro quo which benefited each party. In fact, people never treated the women as victims, and called them the derogatory “Weintein Girls”.

        I’ve read here for years and I never read any speculation that he was raping actresses. The women themselves signed NDA and would have denied it if they were asked.

      • Betsy says:

        That doesn’t follow, though. I think a lot of Hollywood people assiduously avoid gossip sites. I was never interested in Harvey, so I knew he was a bully, but that was it. I didn’t know there was any sexual harassment, certainly not rape or the hounding of his victims he did.

      • Carol says:

        Out of curiosity, Stevie, when you decided something was fishy did you boycott all movies with a HW credit? If not, then Rose will be calling you a hypocrite any minute now. I think there is a world of difference between thinking someone is fishy and calling someone out as a serial rapist/abuser. I have used this site as an example. Go back to the old Gwyneth Paltrow blogs and at least one comment will reference her “stealing” the Viola role from Winona Ryder with a hint of “she slept with Harvey to get it” vibes. Google “Weinstein girls.” The story most of the world was fed was that Harvey was an unfaithful dog with a casting couch and those girls were slut-shamed. Now that the truth is out everyone wants to point the finger at someone else. Nope.

        Rose absolutely needs to grieve, but in her grief she is inappropriately making herself judge and jury over everyone else. I am glad friends are now starting to call her on it. Hopefully they can help her channel the rage she so rightfully feels into more productive avenues.

      • Stevie says:

        What did I know?? I actually knew nothing. And like I said, I don’t have tv, don’t go to any movies, so I don’t pay for HW ones, but I had read here and there that HW had women do things for parts, etc. I remember there being a debate here, I think, about JLaw and Weinstein and if she was forced into anything.
        So they should have known, if she didn’t. I think you have to be purporsefully deaf to all gossip to not know anything. And yes, fishy isn’t proof, but if I was working for someone and I heard fishy stuff about harassment, I would do some digging.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Rose would absolutely know who knew what. She isn’t on the outside, and who in their right mind would say they knew he was a rapist? There have been many many incidents that have been covered up by years of hush money to witnesses and journalists.
        She is lashing out, but it isn’t out of thin air. It is just Meryl, and the others aren’t responsible for HW.

      • Helen Smith says:

        I agree with you Stevie. Meryl knew. Everyone knew. Even people like me who aren’t personally or professionally connected to Hollywood knew. Meryl chose to not pick up and look under that slimy rock because it was a mess and it didn’t directly affect her career. She walked by and wanted to ignore. That is my opinion.

        People like Meryl, Ben and Matt relly need to stop digging themselves into a deeper hole. Sometimes explaining further doesn’t help your cause.

    • JRyan says:

      One key point: Meryl has 3 daughters from ages 26 to 32. All ACTRESSES who work in theater (Broadway and at Yale Rep), TV, and film. Mamie, Grace and Louisa. All highly social and connected socially and professionally to various famous actors, actresses and directors. We have mutual friends. None of Meryl’s daughters heard or told their mother stories about Harvey? I don’t believe it.

    • Sally says:

      Meryl certainly has a high opinion of herself, that said, the pictures from over 25 years ago, (when fat Weinstein still had hair and less girth) being all cuddly makes me believe Meryl is purposely misrepresenting just how close their friendship actually is/was.

      I do not believe they were romantically involved at all, Meryl would not be someone Weinstein would be attracted to, but very close friends, yes, I do believe they were far closer than Meryl wants anyone to know.

  2. Maya says:

    I believe Meryl and it’s about time some people attack other women who “might” have known about the attacks.

    We should all focus our energy on the men and punish them..

    • Erinn says:

      That’s the thing. There’s so much anger being thrown at the women who haven’t made the best statement, or didn’t make a statement fast enough. Why are we focusing any of our rage towards anyone other than those doing the assaulting and those legitimately saying victims are lying.

      Let’s stop letting any of that angry energy be moved away from the criminals and creeps that are 100% standing with them.

    • Amy says:

      Yes! I hate that this has devolved into a women attacking women thing and not an all women standing together to attack Harvey thing. Why do we women do this? Even when we are all victims of misogyny, we somehow can always find some other woman to attack or blame or focus on. All of our energy needs to be devoted to attacking, discrediting, and bringing down hard The men who use and abuse and take advantage and prey on us.

      • Erinn says:

        I think it’s a taught behavior because of the misogyny, but also a weird, screwed up survival tactic. It’s easier to separate yourself from something scary by saying “oh well this woman messed up by doing ____” and finding some sort of way to blame them for what happened so that there’s a certain amount of safety left in your own life. The whole “well, this wouldn’t happen to me because I wont ___” kind of thing. And because we’re the same gender, we find it easier to find fault, I think. I know my husband will get annoyed by certain men a lot easier than I do – I can tolerate a certain amount of funny douchey tendencies as long as those tendencies aren’t hurtful or serious or punching down. But he’ll look at it as a guy being a douche, and that’s that. I think for some reason it’s a lot easier to judge a woman when you’re a woman and a man when you’re a man because you often share MORE experiences with them, and can compare it directly to your own in a way you might not automatically do for the opposite gender.

      • Annabelle Bronstein says:

        @Erinn, exactly this! I’ve been contemplating this for so long but bare with me because I’ve never tried to articulate it.

        Victim blaming is a way to falsely assure ourselves that the terrible thing that happened would never happen to us. I suppose it is both a defensive and a coping mechanism. “She shouldn’t have been walking by herself/why did she take a cab alone late at night/she was drunk/she had headphones in/why didn’t she resist more?”
        It’s actually a terrible instinct because it stops us from seeing the real problem: the rage of some men and their hatred of women. It also dates back to the Madonna/Whore complex, where only a virginal saint can be a sympathetic and believable victim.

        I’ve seen a similar response from white men to the police brutality of black men. “He shouldn’t have moved/reached in his pocket/he spoke too much/he didn’t speak enough/he shouldn’t have had a gun.”

        Unfortunately this gives abusive men cover, and the behavior will always escalate.

      • Stevie says:

        Because the silence of women perpetrate the crime. I’m seeing this at work right now. We have a boss, a principal, who 8 years ago told a cafeteria worker who asked where he had been that, “If you lift up your shirt, I’ll come visit more often.” Students heard it and he apologized to the whole faculty. It was then swept under the rug. I was appalled, but was told nothing could be done.
        Fast forward – more sexist comments, add in racist comments, and now a woman boss he is trying to get rid of. He got rid of the other woman boss 4 years ago. I’m trying to get people to tell their stories, let’s hold him accountable, and most of the women I work with say, “He has power. He can make my life difficult.” And refuse to speak out.
        I get that. But then when he says something to the next person, they all need to accept that their silence allowed it to happen.
        You are either going to stand up or allow the problem to continue. And I tend to think we aren’t as fragile as men tells us we are, that if we banded together, we could get people like my boss removed.
        And I am NOT victim blaming. If you don’t know something, how can you even protect yourself from it? I’m saying that a logical consequence of not speaking out is that it is allowed to continue. We may not like this fact, but it is a fact.

    • Megan says:

      @Maya Based on your logic, we should be attacking Rose since she “definitely” knew that Weinstein was a sexual predator. Attacking women is pointless and counter productive. The only people who should be attacked are Weinstein and his co-conspirators.

  3. Nicole says:

    *sigh*
    At this point I agree with whomever said yesterday a large part of this is ego driven. Trying to give the benefit of the doubt but all this infighting screams “I want to be the ONLY crusader in this fight” more than “I want to end this fight for the next” (see Pantsuit Nation when it got a bit of attention).
    There’s just been reactions and fights on twitter between celebs that now feels gross. Idk it’s hard because we know some of these women are victims. But the mudslinging is just no.
    Whatever let them fight it out because we know others are doing groundwork behind the scenes as always

    • Odetta says:

      I don’t like how rose had to bring Harvey’s wife into too..saying maybe everyone should wear marchesca. Everyone is so quick to blame the wife or other women…I highly doubt Georgina knew her husband was a rapist. Blame the abuser and the enablers

      • LAK says:

        In 2015, the wife said she would divorce him if charges were brought against him in the case with the Italian model. They weren’t and she stayed.

        This year, the wife let him put out a statement saying she stood by him and after Hollywood abandoned him did she turn around and leave him.

        Never forget what happened during those 4 days between first article and HW losing his power.

        If Hollywood had rallied behind HW, wife would have stayed as she did in 2015.

      • Odetta says:

        @LAK. Maybe she believed him, all his lies….who knows, maybe she was abused too.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Believing the actresses has nothing to do with her and Alyssa triggered that response because Georgina is participating in Fashion Week in February. Alyssa tried to smooth the path some, and it unleashed this rage from Rose because I guess the press will start reporting it.
        HW is involved with that label even now because it is all he has left of anything he has built behind the scenes. He always has been.

      • m says:

        I’m with you LAK and magnoliarose. I think the same about HW’s wife. Rose’s Marchesa comment was spot on. As well as the many others she’s made. What I don’t understand is that Meryl Streep has somehow made this into a conversation about her again? Who died and made her a spokesperson for all of Hollywood? It just seems a little bit self serving…

      • Megan says:

        @m The person making this about Meryl Streep is Rose McGowan. Rose publicly attacked Meryl and she defended herself, as she has every right to do.

      • Annabelle Bronstein says:

        I agree with you Odetta. Its rather obvious that Georgina was also a victim. Harvey controlled her business and her children and probably a lot of her life. No she never stood up to him (that we know of), but it turns out that is not a requirement to be a victim. This blaming women for a man’s actions is so tired.

      • KBB says:

        I said this yesterday, but I’ll say it again. I have a hard time believing that Georgina was spared Harvey’s abuse. He abused everyone around him, but controlled his rage around his wife? Bullshit.

        We’ve heard how he liked to take all the credit for the awards actresses in his films got. He made them feel like they needed him and were indebted to him. He threatened his victims livelihood if they spoke out against him. I have no doubt in my mind that he did the exact same thing to his wife.

        Everything she worked for could be gone in a minute if she went against him. And yes he helped her business. That’s what he did. His pattern was to make himself indisposable, claim all the credit, and threaten you with ruin if you crossed him. He is an abusive rage monster and it is very possible he was abusive to her.

      • JRyan says:

        Georgina’s brother physically attacked his girlfriend in 2011. Girlfriend called the cops. Then decided to drop charges. Girlfriend was paid off. Edward is the CEO of Marchesa.

      • magnoliarose says:

        There is a big misunderstanding of their relationship and their dynamic. There is also a misunderstanding of how much of a team they were/are. Don’t make someone a victim who isn’t. We know who his victims are. If that is the logic, then extend it to Melania. You can’t stretch and twist to make someone a victim of a bully and then malign another woman whose situation is a startling parallel.
        Georgina got a lot more out of it than Melania. So I am curious why is one ok and the other not?

      • KBB says:

        I’m not trying to make her a victim when she isn’t, but I think it is very possible that she was and she hasn’t said one way or another. I’m uncomfortable when people accuse her of being complicit when she could be another one of his victims. If she were to say she wasn’t then I’d take her word for it.

        But so many people attacked Gwyneth Paltrow before she told her story. They assumed she was complicit and it turned out she was one of his victims. I think the same could be true for Georgina.

        As far as Melania goes, I’ve never discussed her on this site at all.

      • m says:

        @Megan, I think I can safely say I disagree – so we can agree to disagree. All Meryl Streep needed to write is that she reached out to Rose privately. End stop.

      • magnoliarose says:

        @KBB

        I didn’t mean you personally. I apologize if it seemed that way.
        It is just my anger at the entire situation.

    • African Sun says:

      To be honest, the more I hear about this, the more I think some people are doing it for financial benefit and ego.

      I read the style section on the Hollywood Reporter a lot and there was an article last week saying Rose is launching a skincare line that will have some sort of social element.

      Hmmm call me cynical. I work in the cosmetics industry so I know how the game works but I don’t think Rose is that transparent in terms of her motives. Victim yes, but flaws double yes.

      Nicole thoughts on Tavis on CNN turning up?

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @AfricanSun

        Ok. But do we need perfect victims? … generally we are speaking about women whose careers were drowned, I.e. with consistent financial losses too.

        I don’t know if I would say no to financial deals in her position, no matter what my ‘newly found fame’ was based on….

      • Nicole says:

        I mean I’m fine with her benefitting financially since her career was completely stalled. Like Silver said we don’t need perfect victims and lord knows I want her to take accountability for her defense of a rapist as well.
        However, there’s something off about Milano, Tamlyn, McGowen and Streep having fighting words in the press every week when they could be laying the groundwork for others. They could be making it safer for WOC to come forward. Instead they are fighting like children over that one toy. Like I said it’s icky.

        I haven’t watched but I’ll look it up when I get to work in a bit.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Nicole

        Agree with everything you said.
        We are losing focus about 1) less privileged people who have no voice 2) damn, the perpetrators!!

      • Natalie S says:

        I think nearly everything Rose does is informed by these experiences. I don’t think that means there is cynical motive behind it.

        I know when my mom passed away, for years afterwards I was so strongly drawn to anything that related to experiencing loss. I still am.

      • Nicole says:

        Natalie thanks for sharing. And I agree. I mentioned yesterday about how the trauma is likely affect how she is going about handling this

      • magnoliarose says:

        @African Sun
        I am deeply cynical usually, but her choice to make a living has nothing to do with this. HW is still behind the scenes attempting to smear and has allies so I would take some articles with that in mind.

        Actors live in the spotlight and when it dims some of them will do anything to get that back. However, their egos are part of them all the time so everything they do can seem that way even when they mean well or have good intentions. I am sure they do enjoy the attention, but it doesn’t suggest they aren’t sincere at the same time.

      • African Sun says:

        @magnoliarose, I think you make a fair point about actors and their egos after the spotlight dim. I am not against her making a living but the launch of a cosmetics line top of the year after weinsteingate is suspect.

      • KLO says:

        I actually like that Rose is making the best of the bad situation with the skin care line.

        I remember her very well as an actress when she first came out and liked her a lot, she stood out. And then she disappeared and “went crazy”.
        Now we know what happened.

        She has lived through all this and I can relate to her “unpolished” (smh) anger very well.

        She will get through this and she will have a life.

        I think Meryl did very well to explain herself like this and actually listen instead of getting defensive.

    • Sixer says:

      Yes, Nicole. I think, at this point, most of us are better off thinking about what we can do to better protect women in our own workplaces and spaces and perhaps donating to grassroots, under-the-radar women’s projects doing the same.

      I think Rose is entitled to her rage – although she has said some dreadful things in the course of catharsis. I’m hoping she’ll run out of the vicious side of her steam soon. I think Meryl suspected – how could she not? – and took as much care to not actually *know* as Weinwank did in ensuring she didn’t actually *know*.

      What I think is that it has become clear that Hollywood is so totally corrupted that it is virtually impossible there is a single person working within it who has entirely clean hands. And while this all plays out, it would be nice if we could just understand that all the decent people are going to have some very big regrets. No point excoriating them now, whether their name is Rose or Meryl. Let’s save the ire for the perps.

  4. Talie says:

    I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been irritated with some of Meryl’s statements in regards to this topic, from her dismissal of her own Dustin Hoffman story to being offended in her initial statement about Harvey that anyone would think she would know. Nevertheless, there are bigger fish to fry…but I do think Rose is right, silence is the problem.

    • Amy says:

      I think this whole predatorgate 2017 thing has forced a lot of people to “learn on the job,” in regards to making statements and learning, through the conversations surrounding this topic, which statements and ways of thinking are appropriate, supportive, and helpful and which statements and ways of thinking are inappropriate, outdated, hurtful, patronizing, victim-blaming, etc. As long as people seem to be learning and their statements continue to get better (like Meryl’s), I feel like they deserve a pass for any awkward or problematic initial statements and reactions. However, someone like a Matt Damon who just keeps digging and digging himself into a hole of misogyny and victim-blaming and mansplaining, I’m not okay with. These are the people who won’t learn and refuse to challenge the rape-culture “boys will be boys” views that they’ve been brought up on and have relied on all their life to justify their own and others behaviors and to discredit women who tell their stories.

    • Pumpkin (formally soup, pie) says:

      I am also irritated by some of her comments, as “I don’t like young women being assaulted”.
      ** I ** don’t like “cherries”, but will still eat them from time to time. No, I am not getting overdramatic over the wording.
      There is no way she didn’t know what was happening. Plus, she has at least one daughter in the industry.

      • shannon says:

        “I don’t like young women being assaulted”…..Unless they are 13 years old and the perpetrator is a very artistic director… (and of course I don’t think she LIKED that, but she is clearly able to separate the artist from his deeds, even when it involves victimizing a child. I don’t know if she did know about Harvey or not, but she still said that she didn’t want Polanski in jail so it isn’t a big leap to think she heard tales about Harvey but since it didn’t affect her it was easy to look the other way and not think about it.

  5. Sullivan says:

    If they need or want to discuss this any further, I hope they’ll do it in private.

  6. Alissa says:

    I believe Meryl and the other women that said they didn’t know. I think most of us knew he was a creep, but from what I’ve read on Gossip sites most people thought his victims were consenting. I understand that Rose is angry and upset, but she’s not helping anything by attacking all of these other women. Maybe she needs to take just a slight break from Twitter and reconvene.

  7. African Sun says:

    Rose is going in really hard on Meryl but she wanted people to forgive her for that N word debacle that I am refusing to push under the rug, just because her voice in this movement is the loudest.

    Meryl is not perfect but nor is Rose. She could do with some self-reflection especially with how black women and other women of colour have been treated during Weinsteingate.

    Seems like a lot of infighting is happening between the women, while the men are on the sidelines watching, praying and hoping they aren’t next.

    • frisbee says:

      And being thankful that its distracting attention away from them. Sigh.

    • yellow belly says:

      And the men are supporting each other, even when they are disgusting assholes. See Damon camping for the Afflecks.
      Women, we don’t even have each other’s back right now. That needs to change, and we need to start supporting others. Rose was silent for years, or oblique and opaque, she can’t get mad at people who can’t speak or aren’t ready yet. And she can’t determine if that’s the case or not. And finally, supporting all women means not using racially charged and ignorant language. She needs to apologize for that as well.

    • Purplehazeforever says:

      @ African sun…Rose also defended a pedophile, which I also refuse to let go of. So she had two unforgivable & crappy moments for someone who is supposed to be unofficial voice of a movement. I don’t think I can allow that many missteps and those type of ones, quite frankly. I speak from experience, I was assaulted myself and I would never say , “oh he was a nice man,” about a pedophile. So, Rose needs to address that and many need to stop excusing her remarks on that. It’s not messy, it’s wrong of Rose to do. Just like her Twitter post with the N word. No excuse for it. I just wish people on this site would stop making excuses for her on it.

      • Nina says:

        Exactly! I’m surprised that her comments defending Victor Salva haven’t been brought up by a mainstream news source in light of the fact that she’s been in the media so much, as of late. It’s not as though they’re difficult to come across.

        I’m a survivor of assault myself, though I too agree with the commenters saying that they think a portion of her involvement in the movement is ego-driven. And oh, would ya look at that, Rose also has a book coming out. I wonder if she’ll address her defence of a convicted child rapist/pornographer in it?

      • magnoliarose says:

        Victor Salva is not her responsibility, and she doesn’t have to address it. His victims and their families aren’t her responsibility. She has no role in that.
        Rose is talking about her experience, and she owns that, but Victor has nothing to do with her nor does a bad interview from years ago. No one is a hero all the time for everyone. I said some dumb stuff here, but I can’t change it now. She can’t correct that interview. There has to be room for forgiveness and understanding.
        When we tear down another woman, who is a victim and who was a large part of the spark that has released this wave we are behaving like proxies for the MRAs. They are waiting like hyenas to rip her ax apart, but we shouldn’t join in.
        It feels like when rape victims are blamed for dressing too sexy, or are shamed about their past.
        Many deserve criticism, but I can’t see how she is one of them.

      • abby says:

        @ Magnoliarose

        By that token Streep can claim the same. HW was not her responsibilty. He was never convicted of anything (as opposed to Victor Salva) so as far as Streep may have been concerned it may have all been rumor.

        Look, I don’t care for either lady here, I think they’re both rather crappy. But Rose (and others) is judging Streep by the very same standard that Rose couldn’t live by. And Salva was convicted in a court of law.

        IMO, at the end of the day. Rose is angry and she is lashing out at everyone, including potential allies who have the same blindspot that Rose also had once upon a time. Perhaps Rose is not in the emotional place to see that. But I see the similarity. As far as I am concerned Rose and Streep were of the same sh#tty attitude (as is Winslet and others) until Rose got raped and HW made her life a nightmare.

      • African Sun says:

        Right Purple, and I think that’s something that some commenters here are putting to the side, which is fine if it works for you. It just doesn’t work for me and I am not going to coronate her in this movement because I can’t shake off that N world debacle because it was so embarrassing.

        Is Victor Salva the guy who directed Jeepers Creepers?

      • Purplehazeforever says:

        Victor Salva isn’t Rose’s responsibility just as much as Harvey Weinstein isn’t Meryl Streep’s responsibility. But Streep did choose to address it and when Rose was confronted with Salva’s crimes, she responded quite poorly & defensively much like Streep did. Rose has dragged many for their silence but when she’s rightly criticized for working with Salva & her own response to it, she responds she is being shamed. When others on this site correctly point out that she’s problematic, the response is she’s not a perfect victim. That’s not the case here. She first defended a pedophile after she was raped. She was raped in 1995… 1994 and the interview about Salva happened in 2011 after she worked with him earlier that year. Then last month she made an incredibly stupid analogy using the N word and then said oh sorry I was high on Twitter. After listening to the few people on Twitter who were more than gracious with me with my ignorance I understood why there was no excuse for it. Rose has been traumatized, Rose is messy but she is also a hypocrite. She can be all these things. And she can be called out when she gets something wrong, her trauma doesn’t give her a pass to be a jerk.

      • magnoliarose says:

        She was raped in 1997. It was 20 years ago, so she didn’t suddenly change.
        I am just uncomfortable with policing a rape victim. Women’s rage is something our society has never been able to handle. Loud, messy damaged women who don’t express themselves within an acceptable range are torn down.

    • magnoliarose says:

      Now the N thing African Sun, in my opinion, needs to be addressed. That was her, and she should make amends. I defend her, but I wouldn’t want to hang out with her.

  8. LAK says:

    ‘I don’t condone rape’ cue https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=24k19ybIqIs

    People excusing Meryl really don’t understand how impossible it is NOT to have known what was going on.

    This industry thrives on gossip. All the miscreants are known. Most people simply make a calculation on what they can live with and alot of ‘didn’t happen to me’ and ‘will pretend i don’t know’ coz i need to work with this guy.

    Meryl is using lots of words to pretend she didn’t know when everyone knew. She’s not some super special diety who lived in a vacuum of no industry gossip.

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      I believe that some people didn’t know the extent of it.
      And Meryl probably lived in a pampered bubble more than others, she might have known something but not everything.

      • LAK says:

        I work in the film industry. I can’t tell you how many meetings i’ve attended with people at all spectrums of the power structure which start with gossip about various people. To extent of TMI and a laughing acceptance of the gossip subject because they bring in money or awards or they are superconnected so everyone better stay on their good side.

        HW was so pathological that TV and films and award shows increasingly contain references or characters based on him in the past decade.

        When Seth McFarlane DURING THE OSCARS 2013, which Meryl attended, makes a joke that the female nominees can stop pretending to be attracted to HW as they have finally received their nominations.

        When Courtney Love says it out loud in 2005 to Hollywood red carpet that her advise to aspiring actresses is not to attend hotel meetings with HW https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g70XbYd0bZ8

        Not to mention general chat at parties and asides to people even as they suck up to HW.

        That is some bubble she lives in.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Lak

        I used to perform on stage. The behaviour you describe is only for us, the ‘plebs’ (affectionaly said); the big names I came to meet were often described as so sheltered from our peasant-y stuff that it beggars belief.

        So in this regard, she ‘might’ have not known the extent of the whole thing. Or, at least, I consider it a possibility.

      • LAK says:

        Silverunicorn: i’ve never worked in theatre. I remain surprised at the level of gossiping i’ve encountered. People tell you stuff that definitely falls in the TMI category. The more important they are, the quicker they are to gossip. It’s quite amazing. And that’s why i don’t believe in her ‘bubble’.

        Just about the only top actor who can plausibly claim to live in a bubble is Tom Cruise because C0$ goes to extraordinary lengths to keep him there, but even so, i’d struggle to accept the bubble excuse from him since he is practically no 2 over there.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Lak

        I do think both industries are a bit different and I am sorry if I look biased based on my experience. But probably none of us is wrong as I guess there is more gossiping around in the film industry whilst the difference of ‘status’ is a lot more felt in theatre (again, my experience, which only encompass theatre, musicals, classical music and opera).
        Some big names are really untouchable and totally live in a bubble. Not a coincidence Spacey’s first accuser was a movie actor.

    • Astrid says:

      Reminds me of the movie Heartburn where her character “didn’t know” that her husband played by Jack Nicholson was cheating on her. I could never understand how she “didn’t know”!

    • Talie says:

      It’s like politics…they pick and choose what they want to put up with.

    • Purplehazeforever says:

      @ Lak, Meryl lives in a bubble…not much penetrates it, I’m not sure what is being excused here but she is not responsible for Harvey Weinstein nor complicit. Nor is her silence even complicit. I’m getting tired of this attacking the actresses bit. And Harvey did need her far more than she needed him so I believe he made sure not much reached her ears.

      • LAK says:

        People saying that Meryl is excused from knowing because she claims so.

        I can’t stress enough how impossible that is. It’s like not knowing what a POS Scott Rudin is, but we still work with him.

        To be clear, i’m not saying she is responsible for HW or his bad behaviour. Just as Matt Damon and Clooney and Affleck Ben etc aren’t responsible for his behaviour.

        But to pretend to live in a bubble so absolute whilst working in an industry whose raison d’etre is gossip, real or not, is not believable to me.

        Regular people will accept her excuse because most people don’t gossip to that extent and they don’t work in an industry that has all but institutionalised certain kinds of poor behaviour.

      • Purplehazeforever says:

        @ Lak…most knew he was a bully & even said so. Most thought he was cheating on his wife with a bunch of consenting adults and said so, and didn’t bother to look further and most said so. George Clooney said he heard of the casting couch but thought they were rumors Weinstein made up. Maybe no one opened their eyes like Ryan Gosling said and ignored. It’s possible that’s what Meryl Streep did. But if we going on with they had to know, it somehow detracts away from the slimeball who did this to begin with. I want the focus to remain on Weinstein.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Purplehazeforever

        Yes focus should be on the monsters. At this point it’s impossible to understand who could know or not. Waste of time.

      • LAK says:

        Focus isn’t off HW. By pointing out all the ways HW was enabled, which included the silence of otherwise good people, we keep spotlight on him.

        George and Matt are not going to publicly admit to anything. Heck it took several tries before Matt finally admitted he’d known about GOOP from Ben since the 90s. He went as far as praising her for how she handled it.

        And Ben’s response to Rose when she told him about her ordeal, quote,’ Goddamit, i told him to stop doing that!’ That was also in the 90s.

        Silverunicorn: Scott Rosenberg sums up beautifully the problem of silence.
        https://etcanada.com/news/264156/screenwriter-scott-rosenberg-says-everyone-knew-about-gluttonous-ogre-harvey-weinstein/

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Lak

        Thanks for posting that article, very interesting!
        I wish I could share your optimism. I do think that the focus on HW is fading away, see what (expletive swearwords here) Matt Damon is doing…. totally pushing the focus off the real problem with underlying tones of ‘witch hunt’ ‘pitchforks’ etc.

        And Singer? Westwick? Toback? All the others?

        Has anyone been even formally charged of anything at this point?

      • magnoliarose says:

        I will say LAK is telling the truth. At some point, we have to break that part of the problem because if that continues, it will return to the base point.
        I just know it was hard in the beginning to find a way to talk about this. It was frustrating when I knew the lies were just flying all over the place. But then I kind of stopped caring except when I knew they should stop talking before a malicious person with a grudge would destroy their career.
        No one was in a position to stop him except those with power, and they didn’t. This is the case all over the world on much smaller scales so what would I achieve by damaging someone’s reputation because of a broken misogynistic system. Actresses are treated like garbage, but they love their job, so they endure it.
        The complicit environments in these cases is a problem though.
        I have no idea how to fix that.

      • Cranberry says:

        Yes! Thank You @Purplehazeforever and @SilverUnicorn

        Streep seems to be an easy and favorite target to blame and make accusations of complicity of the corrupt Hollywood system. It’s one thing to be disappointed in her that she didn’t live up to expectations, but it really seems most people here hold her accountable too. Maybe it’s a part of gossip culture where unfortunately hateful accusatory absolutes are part of the landscape.

    • Natalie S says:

      @LAK. I agree. She knew …something. And even if gossip was kept from her, it couldn’t have been kept from her daughter. I don’t believe her.

      Someone who has had an incredibly successful career spanning decades is not dumb. Meryl generally knows how to manage her public image. What we saw before were momentary missteps and now she’s back on message.

      The issue here is everyone looked around to see how other people were handling it and followed accordingly. And I certainly don’t blame the victims and I don’t necessarily blame women like Meryl either (That “Harvey Weinstein is God” was straight-up nonsense, though. Bad look, Meryl). It is a traumatizing thing to push forward when no one else is and it is survival instinct to resist doing this. It makes what women like Rose McGowan did all the more extraordinary.

      • LAK says:

        Exactly.

        I’m so offended by the PR manouvering going on even if i understand why they are doing it and the necessity for it.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I know LAK. It is hard because he was far more brutal and did so many disgusting things it does annoy me sometimes when they don’t shut up, but then I focus on hoping some others are caught out.

      • blogdis says:

        @ LAK
        So you work on the film industry where they gossip is Meryl Streep in your peer group ?have you ever met her and shared this particular gossip with her ? If not you cannot say with certainty that she knew
        I believe that there were people in the biz who knew all about Harvey and some like Rosie Odenell who said that HW had a rep for being a perv and having a casting couch but she and some others didn’t know he was flat out raping people ( based on Meryl position in Hollywood stratosphere this could very well apply to her too )

        With Regards to Rose whilst it had been somewhat of an open secret at it was probably HW that raped Her, she NEVER called his name all these yrs and only alluded a while back with a tweet saying ex sold her film to her rapist ( Miramax had bought the film )
        if silence is the problem , why does Rose want people, who may have heard some gossip to be more accountable thanRose herself who had first Hand knowledge of HW criminal behavior and opted to sign a NDA instead ???? One could argue she could have saved other victims, but instead she chose silence with the occasion shady clues with No direct naming of HW until recently

        As a survivor myself I get Roses rage but her self righteous lashing out at other women is a big nope for me , especially considering that she worked with and defended a convicted pedophile ( not rumors hard facts presented in court ) as a kind and decent man plus she was very quick to use the Nword to make some silly white feminist false equivalencies.(IMO she comes across as someone who ONLY her pain is important )

        There are no perfect victims but there are no perfect advocates .I feel for what she went through and as much as I find Meryl to be sometimes problematic , bottom line she didn’t rape Rose, HW did

      • Moon Beam says:

        blogdis, I agree with you 100% I think Meryl knew Harvey probably hung their careers over their heads, offered bribes etc and maybe even blacklisted actresses who turned him down. That is all awful in itself and could even be called rape coercion but I do not think Meryl knew the whole extent of it and that he was forcibly assaulting women. That’s a horse of a different color.

    • Nanny to the Rescue says:

      Agreed. I don’t believe her either, for the same reason. She probably didn’t know about the exact rapes or about how wide this all was, but she must have heard rumours that Harvey demanded sex from actresses to give them jobs – which is an abuse of power. *I* heard those rumors!

      I can understand why she didn’t do anything – she wasn’t there and you can’t report rumors to the cops + you can’t believe every rumor – but don’t act like you never heard anything. Puh-lease.

    • Stevie says:

      “I don’t condone rape.”
      That does seem to be a rather low bar to jump over, no?? I would hope that this isn’t where she draws the line at “condoning.”

  9. grabbyhands says:

    “He needed me much more than I needed him and he made sure I didn’t know.”

    That’s the truth of it, there. And I think people forget what that does to men like Harvey Weinstein, whose whole self image and persona is built on the idea that everyone else, ESPECIALLY women, need HIM much more than he needs them. When he couldn’t use that on some women, he doubled down on those he could.

    Both Streep and McGowan are problematic – Streep is a Polanski apologist and has shown herself to be tone deaf when it comes to intersectionality in feminism. McGowan brushed off working with and defending a convicted child molester. The constant purity test of who has had it worse isn’t helping any of the millions of women who are voiceless.

    I’d like to see the spotlight swing back to the woman who created the #metoo movement. That’s an important face and voice.

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      +1
      Especially the last part 😊

    • Shijel says:

      Yeah. I’m highly skeptical that she knew nothing at all. She knew something. Most likely knew about the harassment but with this statement I’ve come to believe that she didn’t know about the sheer extent of it. This is true: Weinstein coddled the people he needed for his power, and I can absolutely see him try his damndest to keep people he needs in the dark and treated well.

      Weinstein showed his ugly to people he knew would have no shot at winning a round against him, people who he didn’t really need to keep himself on the top.

      What a mess, really.

  10. Jellybean says:

    I believe her. It is also important to acknowledge that a lot of people have no interest in gossip and they move in circles where nobody talks about gossip, so why would they know? Take Wind River. This is a story about the abuse of native women that the writer/director encountered when he lived on a reservation. He has been waiting to tell that story for at least 20 years. Do people honestly think he would agree to a rapist attaching his name to this particular passion project? So no, I Don’t think everybody knew and blaming everybody is unfair and unhelpful.

    • Cranberry says:

      Agreed. Not everybody trades coin in gossip. Before CB I tried not to pay attention to celebrity gossip. You’re still going to here stuff because celebrity culture is US culture. Still, that doesn’t mean everyone that hears some gossip gives it a lot of weight or spends any energy to verify it. I believe a lot of celebrities suspected things but couldn’t determine what was gossip and what was credible much less actionable.

  11. SoulSPA says:

    Just a general comment: it’s difficult for me to believe that Meryl didn’t know the truth about HW. She is a very important person in Hollywood and knows many people and the insides of the industry, good and bad. As a Hollywood veteran. No age shaming here, just facts. HW’s ways were an open secret from what I get by reading CB. It’s highly unlikely she didn’t know the extent of his abuse. IMHO this is damage control but I salute her for parts of her statement.
    I don’t see that a traumatized person like Rose picking up the phone immediately to contact Meryl. These things take time and trust. Meryl chose to release this statement way too soon and that makes me think that Meryl and her team chose to do damage control instead of taking some time to do things right and respectfully of Rose. Meryl’s burnt the bridge with Rose.

  12. QueenB says:

    Unless its Polanski, right? Go away, Meryl.

  13. Mia4s says:

    This is going to be a messy as hell awards season. The happiest actors and actresses right now are those who have nothing imminent to promote and/or are filming or onstage doing a play. Basically those with perfectly valid excuses not to be around this season. Mess!

    There are no perfect victims, there are no perfect advocates. Dismantle the system that allowed this to happen, that’s what is important here. I don’t care who has worked with who, who said what, who has supported who in the past. I care about dismantling the system that allowed this. to. happen.

    • Jamie42 says:

      So true about this awards season! To wear black, or not to wear black? What to say on the red carpet? What to say if they actually win an award? I’ll be skipping the awards shows this season.
      And in fact, it wouldn’t hurt to see the awards system taken down a little as well. Remember that it was Weinstein who was in large part responsible for the modern oscar campaign, who virtually defined what is an “oscar film” and what isn’t–often in great contrast to what people actually want to see–and used that power over actors and the films he controlled (and the films he dumped) as well.

    • Cranberry says:

      YES! Thank You Mia4s. I’m tired of all the bickering especially over actresses and who they’ve worked with and speculations on how much they knew of all the corrupt dealings. The smarmy, patriarchal, Hollywood system of $$$ needs to change.

  14. Otaku Fairy says:

    “HW needed us not to know this, because our association with him bought him credibility, an ability to lure young, aspiring women into circumstances where they would be hurt.” I absolutely believe that’s the way Harvey Weinstein- and probably many other calculating predators in positions of power- have operated. There are certain people they have around them for business/ positive PR reasons who don’t get to see one particular side of them.

    The more she’s said, the more I’ve come to believe her about Harvey. The only reason why I initially doubted her a little is because of her number of years in the business. But her signing a petition for Polanski several years back is still something that needs to be addressed. Hopefully this can be a time for some celebrities to think about and apologize for times they’ve defended predators in the past. I’m not going to jump aboard the ‘cancel/revoke feminist cards of actresses for ever having worked with Weinstein’ bandwagon though. Partially because of the valid reasons already brought up for why many people thought what was going on was privileged rich girl prostitution, And partially because something about arbitrarily deciding “If you share with us that Harvey victimized you, we’ll believe you didn’t know the truth about him. You’re innocent only because of what he did to you. But if you don’t have a juicy story of abuse and violation to share with us, then you’re automatically a guilty liar and you knew (or knew and blew, depending on how you look),” just doesn’t sit right.

    • LAK says:

      I’m not going to cancel people who worked for HW. Exception his brother and board at TWC. The people who are testing my last nerves are the ones like Matt and Meryl using PR , poorly if i may add, to comment on this.

      Rose and Ashley and Asia and Mira and Roseanne had a 4 day window where no one, including Meryl or Matt spoke up. HW used those same 4 days to rally Hollywood support. He failed and lost everything. And ONLY AFTER that fact did Hollywood speak up.

      There are perhaps 10people who spoke up during this time including Ellen Barkin and Jessica Chastain. Whilst HW was still all powerful. They tweeted their support of the ladies.

      Glenn Close, when she finally spoke up, said she heard the rumours and chose to ignore them. She’s not getting dragged because her comment was sincere and not with an eye at the PR of it all.

      I can’t imagine what those 4 days did to the 5 ladies that initially spoke up. We can see it with Rose. And i think she’s dragging Meryl because of those 4 days.

  15. Wal says:

    But she knew and knows about Polanski, but still signed a petition to pardon him. Not forgetting the I’m African and I’m not a feminist but a humanist because I love men. yeah, she’s still cancelled.

  16. Tan says:

    Rose has been lashing out in her anger and targetting a witch hunt to people.
    If Meryl hadn’t responded as desperately as she did, she would have been at the receiving end of complicity insults.

    However , this still brought out a more emotional and involved statement from merly streep, rather than a generic one, because she needed desperately to remove the blame.

    Yet somehow cannot accept the way it came about.

    Why is it women are always targeted, right or wrong, by other women and they have to end up defending themselves desperately?

  17. Andrea says:

    Finally, someone is calling Rose out for attacking other women. She needs to stop.

  18. Eliza says:

    I think she chose her words carefully. She didn’t not know about: the rapes. She knew he was a bully, a womanizer, a pig. Someone who used his pull to get people to do things for him. Everyone knew about his massages and showers.

    Best case scenario, she probably assumed, like many other men in Hollywood, it was consensual and they were all trading flesh for favors knowingly; he was just a dog, and the women were desperate for fame. But still a long shot with how known it was.

    I think she knew. I think she ignored or chose to minimize. But I think HE is responsible for HIS actions.

  19. Poop says:

    “As I keep saying, just as we need to believe women when they tell us they were abused, we need to believe women when they say they didn’t know.”

    Yet the comment section always says J. Law MUST’VE known and that she’s covering for him. I say this every time. Which one is it?

  20. IMO says:

    Ok nobody knew about Harvey but what woddy allen, casey affleck, mel gibson, Polanski, depp… There were police involved, pictures, videos, audios, witness etc but i keep seeing those men working and being celebrated just fine.
    Jimmy kimmel, The next oscar host invited them after the accusations to his show but is preaching about so many issues.
    I completely understand why it sounds so cynical to believe about changes when there is a selective complicit all around

  21. The Original G says:

    This is all so messy and can only continue to be so for some time. That sounded to me like Streep saying that she was somehow above the concerns and vulnerability of regular women because she is a great AAArtist. Her talent her insulated her. How many Streeps never make it to the screen because of the blind eye turned to these abuses, we won’t know?

    She needn’t have waited by the phone for Rose to call either but made the move herself. Another case of noblesse obliges and probably personal denial. At the end of the day, we need to move forward.

    • perplexed says:

      ” Her talent her insulated her.”

      That’s what I was wondering about too in her statement A lot of people like Skeet Ulrich said they had heard about Weinstein. But the people at the top levels claim they didn’t. I’m baffled that the people at the “lower” levels had heard about him but everyone at the top tier levels insist they knew nothing.

      I can believe she didn’t know about the rape, but she did mention she didn’t known about assaults. However, assault can cover a lot of different behaviours that don’t involve penetration. On some level, I think most people could have heard about the latter.

      • The Original G says:

        I don’t want to overstate her responsibility here. Predators are completely responsible for their actions not Streep. Certainly her eventual stature in the industry gave her some protection. But why should women have to earn protection with stature?

        She was quite happy to be in the store window being lauded and fetted in HW financed projects, but she certainly knew how the sausage was being made in the back room. “I’m so brilliant, I don’t know what happens in the land where mere mortal women dwell below.” She’s seems to be insinuating something I don’t like. It’s messy.

      • Moon Beam says:

        Skeet is in the same peer group as Rose, Mira, Matt, Ben etc. I think they shared that info among themselves. Meryl is over a decade older than them, almost two I think.

      • perplexed says:

        No, I don’t expect Meryl to be hanging with the same peer group. That’s not really what I meant. I’m talking more about the people at the top levels never somehow passing information on to each other about what they might “hear.” I mean, if comedians are joking about Harvey Weinstein at the Academy Awards and everyone at home gets what the comedian is referencing, I just don’t get how people in the A-list could possibly be that clueless.

        Do I think Meryl committed any crimes? No. Not at all. And I’m inclined to think she wouldn’t have specifically heard about Rose McGowan. However, she did praise Weinstein in his speeches (why?). And I think when actors and actresses go out of their way to put out public statements, I do think it’s a natural reaction to sort of wonder about people at the top levels converse with each other as colleagues or friends. I do think her public statement also seemed to imply that her greatness kept her away from hearing stuff about people. I actually think it would have made more sense if she had said she’s in a different age group from Rose McGowan, and therefore wouldn’t have been aware of what was going on. I don’t know if people would have believed her, but at least it would have sounded less conceited.

      • Cranberry says:

        Meryl said she does not know Harvey on a personal level. She’d “only been to his office once for a meeting with Wes Craven”. Of course she probably talked to him on phone or at public events.
        But for someone like Meryl there is a fleet of industry people and reps that negotiate her projects and who she works with etc. She has personal relationships and works closely with probably only a few of these people.
        Even if they heard or suspected the truth about Harvey, they would not necessarily have told her. Their job is to shield her and help negotiate the roles she wants and perspective projects brought to her by other industry proxies. Before she ever makes a decision on a film, there’s a whole lot of business that has gone down by agencies that manage her.

        So yes they would have kept Harvey rumors and stories away from her since it would be conceivable she would meet him and potentially work on one of his films.

        Harvey is a mover and a shaker in HW of which other movers are going to make deals with because he gets results. He makes Hits and stars. As long as his public reputation is protected by his powerful connections, other big industry movers were going to do business with him even if they’d heard the rumors. As long as the rumors seemed to be kept at bay, and he could deliver the goods, it was business as usual. That’s Hollywood, and it’s been this way forever.

      • perplexed says:

        If she doesn’t know him well on a personal level, I’ll never understand why she called him “God.” That’s a lot of unnecessary sucking-up even if she knows nothing about him as a person. I would be wary of calling anyone “God.”

      • The Original G says:

        @cranberry. You’re making her sound like a child or reinforcing her claim to breathe the rarified air of her echelon. They are dozens and dozens of pics of the two of them smiling and hugging it up at industry events.

      • Cranberry says:

        @The Original G

        I believe I said she probably only interacted with him by phone and at events aside from the one business meeting she mentions. Obviously they were at the same events. Smiling and posing for pic at Hollywood events is not the same as being buddies or entangled business partners.

    • Cranberry says:

      @TOriginal G

      Well Meryl is the upper echelon of Hollywood isn’t she? She is a mega HW commodity, and her management agencies that do all her business dealings are going to protect her. They’re going to keep her image pristine and keep her away from the dirty underside of the business. Meryl only wants to act in high quality productions with quality actors, writers, and directors. She depends on her management to put this all together. Even if she wants to work with a specific actor, it all has to be negotiated what project that would happen on.
      Weinstein had a brand that he fiercely protected regardless the rumors. People in HW obviously did plenty of business with him knowing the stories. They did so because for so long his brand seemed invincible despite the many rumors. In short he seemed like a reliable and profitable gamble. It’s totally conceivable that “insiders” that operate Hollywood knew all about Harvey without their assets, the stars, knowing much of anything, certainly nothing that was publicly verified.

  22. Savasana Lotus says:

    I believe Meryl and Rose. I believe that our Rose has been irreparably damaged. In all ways possible. I understand her pain. I hope she will allow Meryl to take up her torch and offer her some relief. I also hop she finds help and knocks off the substances she uses that make problems worse not better.

  23. Mich says:

    The woman was making movies and raising a bunch of kids. Why should her world have been focused on random gossip that might have been tossed around occasionally about when she was in the room? I absolutely understand why it would occupy Rose’s mind 24/7 and be the most important thing in her life but I don’t get the expectation that everyone was living in Rose’s world.

  24. DiegoInSF says:

    I believe Meryl.
    #rosearmy is so egotistical. Rose, this is not about you! Also, Victor Salva? You defended a child rapist, Rose. Care to comment?

  25. mk says:

    What an effen cry baby Meryl is… waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I didn’t know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Hard to believe a person can work in an industry 40+ years and not know?
    I don’t believe Meryl.

    Go wear Marchesa Meryl, it suits you!

    • DiegoInSF says:

      When will Rose ferociously defend another child rapist? Maybe she should wear Marchesa too.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Because that isn’t her problem. She is far from the person who needs to speak about that. Why are you so obsessed with that?
        Didn’t he go to jail? His career is dead, isn’t it? Why bring him up when there may be actors who have gone on to have work and don’t want to be connected back to him.
        Woody Allen is a child rapist and has been for 30 years or more. Drag Kate Winslet is you have to drag a woman but Rose? I don’t get this.
        Focus on Victor Salva then and talk about the villain or the people actually involved with him.

      • blogdis says:

        @ magnolia
        Seriously ? As a regular reader here I get that you are a fervent defender of victims of sexual assault which I appreciate being one but you have a blind spot here

        Rose is a victim and I will always support in that regard but she is also a hypocrite the two aren’t mutually exclusive , She is out here judging other women by metrics that she doesn’t meet defending a convicted child abuser is INDEFENSIBLE. WAs that child’s pain any less real and important than hers ?

        She self righteously claims that silence is the problem and wants a higher standard of accountability from people who may have heard something when she who has actual first hand account of HW criminal behavior did not personally name him as her attacker for years ?
        BY your argument since Salva and his victims is not her problem then her and HW are not anybody else’s problem either including Meryl .

      • Moon Beam says:

        Victor Salva was able to make movies after he went to jail. Rose is a hypocrite and an assault survivor. Saying that a woman unequivocally knew you were raped is a strong statement. I’m sure Meryl knew HW used his position for sex and sexual favors but may not have known he was forcing himself on and assaulting women. She is almost two decades older than Rose, Gwenyth, Mira, Ashley etc. She may not have been as in tune to that peer group as her own.

      • African Sun says:

        Diego, you got me WEAK with maybe she should wear Marchesa LMAO!!

      • magnoliarose says:

        @blogdis

        Yes, I do defend victims, but it doesn’t mean I agree with her lashing out. I do know she has mental health issues and substance abuse issues and I am sure PTSD on steroids.

        Meryl’s career and power is the very top of the actress list and possibly could have maybe who knows helped. In her mind at that moment she tweeted.

        Rose would have changed nothing about Salva. The fact that she worked on this bottom of the barrel movie is a testament to how far down in the toilet her career was six years ago. The people to call out are the people who kept allowing him to make movies and still do with children on set. It seems odd to pick out an obscure interview when Meryl went on stage and called her rapist God on a show that has worldwide viewership.
        She needs help that is clear.
        But we are experiencing this cultural shift at this moment before anyone came forward about anyone. Some people praised Singer and CK and Woody Allen and Roman Polanski. Kate Winslet is much more worthy of dragging since she is defending Woody right now after the shift.

        Rose is messy and imperfect, but a six-year-old interview in the Advocate that someone hunted down doesn’t take into account that people change. No one is static and the same their whole lives. Bringing it up over and over seems like a silencing tactic. She is far from an angel or even likeable a lot of the time but that isn’t important to me in this context.

  26. reverie says:

    HW had a rep as a creepy womanizer. I knew this when I didn’t even know what he looked like and I am as far removed from Hollywood and even film watching in general as one could possibly be. I am sure she didn’t know about Rose specifically but she knew something and Rose’s point is that everyone enabled him via silence. And that’s just the truth of it. Is it fair for Rose to call out Meryl specifically for that because clearly everyone is at fault in some way, including myself. There is this culture of silence amongst us and Rose is raging against that, she just doesn’t have the finely tuned speech to express that.

    Additionally, Streep should have called Rose HERSELF. It wasn’t in Rose’s court to do so, it was squarely in Meryl’s and then to throw out the idea that she is just too big a figure in Hollywood and HW made a point of hiding it from her because of that… it’s just further insult.

    Sit down Meryl. There is no defense because no defense is necessary. What she should have said is that she supports Rose’s desire to speak what was once the unspeakable. End of.

  27. Nic says:

    What a nasty, self involved response.

    Why not say “You have a right to be angry. I benefited from this monster. I don’t stand with you because I am not a victim, but I stand behind you. How can I help?”

    • JG says:

      Someone needs to hire you as a publicist, stat. Well said.

    • Huh says:

      THANK YOU!

      I am still disgusted with Meryl and will NEVER believe that her responses from start to now don’t rely on a fundamental perception that she and her beneficiaries of nepotism – I mean, her independently talented daughters who never got a leg-up from her, no never, they go by Gummer! – are Good Girl Talents….while the many who were targeted, isolated, targeted, and attacked by HW and other monsters, are Bad Girl Hos. To hell with her and to hell with Winslet — and that is NOT displacing responsibility off of Weinstein’s criminality nor that of other perpetrators. I don’t particularly like Rose but to HELL with Streep, to HELL with the repugnant Amber Tamblyn (hi nepotism! Hi, disgusting perp husband!) and others who are so desperate to seem clean that they prefer to protest their innocence to just thinking of how to be actual progressive and honest adults.

  28. Valiantly Varnished says:

    Her statement has a ring of truth to it. And while I think the black dress protest is dumb AF and will bring no real change I believe that Meryl didnt know. I also believe she is a hypocrite for defending and supporting Roman Polanksi who we ALL KNOW is guilty. But Rose is a hypocrite as well for working with convicted child molester like Victor Salva. And around and around we go…perhaps the lesson here is to take what is being said by these celebs with a grain of salt. The blind spots a lot of them have about their own complicity is damaging to the actual movement. Let’s maybe take the spotlight off of celebs in the #MeToo movement and make it about the silent victims who don’t have a public platform.

    • Cranberry says:

      +1
      So well said. Thank You.

      Unfortunately our American culture is centered around celebrity culture so these actresses are the role models to so many women and girls. They will always get the lion’s share of attention. So for now lets hope the public exchanges improve and be thankful #metoo is here on this national level and that it gets more inclusive especially, as you said, to those with no platform at all.

  29. Sassback says:

    I see the go black protest two ways: a) a way for actresses to support victims without hurting their careers, or b) a way for people who care about their careers to pretend they care about victims. At this point, I think everyone can take a stand and skip awards season to make a real difference, Meryl included and especially, because she’s so powerful. She just doesn’t want to. Amber Tamblyn is playing both sides at this point too-her husband is a predator (and I’m NOT talking about the Charleyne Yi thing) and I think she’s pulling back the reigns on her own protests a bit because she’s starting to realize her own circle is not innocent. She’s not as pro-feminista as she comes across.

  30. Jayna says:

    Rose is turning a lot of people off, including me, with this bullying women. My opinion.

  31. perplexed says:

    Even if people didn’t know about the extent of Weinstein’s behaviour (isn’t that what Matt Damon claims), I don’t think it was necessary for them to be so complimentary of him in their speeches. As Meryl says, he was a marketer of films, not an actual filmmaker, so that makes the praise for him in their speeches even stranger.

  32. Luca76 says:

    I tend to be on neither side. I think Rose is incredibly angry at the world and just lashing out because she spent so many years being ostracized. But she is so angry she’s not really solving anything. Hopefully she’ll get treatment.
    As for Meryl she’s not responsible for HW. But I do believe she was well aware of what happens in the industry because she was once a younger woman and had to put up with a whole host of these behaviors herself. So like everyone else she learned to keep her head down and serve those masters including her support for Roman Polanski. So I do think she’s a bit of a hypocrite and part of the problem.

    • Fleur says:

      I agree with all of your comment. I think Rose is very angry and has validity in her righteous anger. She is a victim of Weinstein in ways that Meryl never was. She owns and deserves her voice.

      I find it difficult to believe Meryl didn’t know his reputation as the worst sort of bully, a flagrant womanizer and an unkind man. I believe she did not know he was a rapist. I think she, like most of the industry, however tacitly condoned his bullying and blackballing by both participating in projects he financed and then publicly acknowledging him as a chief architect in her late career film success.

      I dislike the blame and judgment implied in Meryl’s statement when she says she offered her phone number to Rose and never got a call back. This isn’t the venue to play the “I’m the most gracious” game, Meryl. Smacks of upmanship. You didn’t know. Make your freaking statement and then handle the rest privately.

  33. perplexed says:

    One question often pops in my head: would Mamie Gummer have heard anything, and does no one in the Streep household ever gossip? I’m not going to insist that Meryl Streep knew something, but these meandering questions do pop into my head whenever she says something publicly about Weinstein. All of her kids are in the industry on some level, and none of them EVER gossip with her?

    I do think her talent to some degree would have insulated her, and I can believe that Weinstein probably went to great lengths to hide information from her. I just don’t think her kids would have hid what they might have heard from her.

  34. Ruthie says:

    I don’t fault Meryl, but not just because of any eloquent public statement. I just get uncomfortable reading statements basically saying “Yeah, HW is a criminal and all, but I will devote energy in placing blame on others for (maybe, possibly, can’t know for certain they knew, but whatever,) not going straight to the police based on a hunch.” That comes dangerously close to a “boys will be boys” attitude by ultimately blaming others (Meryl) for a monster’s evil choices that he and he alone made.

  35. adastraperaspera says:

    The patriarchal power base is quite happy when women battle with one another. I hope Rose and Meryl will have a conversation in person at some time. What I am waiting to hear is more men challenging the alleged ignorance of Matt Damon, George Clooney, Leo D and other industry worthies. Where is their rage? Where are their tweets and statements? Where is their heated discussion?

  36. Ozogirl says:

    I hope Rose and other women stop attacking each other and focus on making change, getting help, and supporting women who have been assulted. Rose is directing her anger at the wrong person. I know she feels blind rage, but I hope she can get things under control because she does have a good message and it will get lost if she isn’t a little more careful. I also hope she gives Meryl a call.

  37. Paisley says:

    I do not believe her when she stated (again) she didn’t know about HW being a psychopathic predator.

  38. nicegirl says:

    I didn’t read the comments, I’m thinking it best to avoid them due to the possibility something I read might cause me upset, as these issues hit very close to home for me. But I read Meryl’s statement and I can relate. Unfortunately.

    I have been deceived by a vile betraying deceiver, who was sexually assaulting family members in the home I lived in my youth – it was my brother, 16 months my junior – when discovered, he had been assaulting our baby sisters for a minimum of 6 years. It did not happen to me, and I had no idea it was happening to my sisters. Absolutely no f-cking idea. I see a therapist, found a gal I’ve been with for 7 years now, who helps me – she reminds me that if SOMEONE IS ACTIVELY WORKING TO DECEIVE YOU, YOU ARE NOT A FOOL TO FALL FOR THE DECEPTION. I thought my brother was my confidante, my partner in the abuse we suffered, my ally and friend. I did not know that when he covered for me when I snuck out with friends at night to go drink beers and cry because my dad had broken my right hand and I had to do finals and was right handed – that he would use my absence as an opportunity to assault our sisters. I did not know that he was lying to them, and threatening them that he would hurt me, or that I would hate them if it ever came out, or they would ruin our family, or, or, or – so many horrific threats, from the abuser to the victims, to ensure their silence. So much evil and sad deception.

    I sometimes think that if it was me that walked in on that fateful day, what I might have done – I scare myself when I think that I might be in prison now at age 43 for what I might have done at age 17 had I discovered the sexual abuse.

    I didn’t know. I thought issues displayed by my sisters were due to our unhealthy environment and neglectful parenting. I really, deeply, DID NOT KNOW. I was consumed with the neglect and several forms of physical and emotional abuses in our household, and as the eldest of the 4 kids and a high school jr, I focused on academic success and keeping my siblings safe & fed, household chores accomplished. I thought if I kept it together we would be okay. I have spent years trying to wrestle with and alternately alleviate myself from this pain and deep confusion of HOW DID I NOT SEE IT? HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED IT? HOW DID I NOT KNOW? I try to get over it, but it never goes away.

    I can, like, empathize with Meryl, I guess. The abuser in my world also used his association with me to add credibility, and I am not sure I will ever be able to let that part go in my heart. It’s like, I have a f-cked up role in the abuse of someone who I loved though unwillingly and unwittingly, and It just f-cking hurts – EVERYONE involved.

    • Kitten says:

      Oh my god what a nightmare.

      I thank you so much for sharing a horrific story that must be hell to revisit. I thank you because it really DOES shed light on how complicated abuse can be and how as a society we owe it to ourselves to reserve judgment towards those that live in an abuser’s inner circle or even those that have only a tangential relationship with the abuser.

      I’m comforted to hear that you recognize it is NOT your fault for not knowing, not seeing. You were a perfect-yet-unwilling pawn in a master manipulator’s game. Sending you a hug.

    • SoulSPA says:

      That’s terrible @nicegirl and I am glad you’ve taken matters in hands and addressed that horrible ordeal. I wish you a happy and fulfilling life. Keep on doing that good work 😃

      This case is different since it involves a lot of people in positions of power and many many people on the lower side of the power spectrum. Whereas sexual violence and other forms of abuse within the intimate space of a household are huge taboos in all societies, therefore little spoken about or not at all, these cases occurred virtually “in public” albeit with some safeguards as per the reputation of the abusers, the huge money involved in a huge industry and the general optics of abuse happening at a corporate level, and lack of action to address it throughout the years. And now the bubble has burst and key stakeholders are trying to clean up their images. Whether they were directly involved or complicit in the great scheme of sexual abuse in Hollywood.

    • Sophia's Side eye says:

      My heart aches for you, nicegirl. *hugs* It was not your fault. I’m so glad you’re taking care of yourself and getting the help you need. I’m sure your sisters are glad to have in their lives to love them and be there for them instead of the alternative of you being in jail. I completely understand the desire for justice, and vengeance, but then they wouldn’t have you.

    • Mia says:

      @nice girl I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this. I am so sorry for everything you and your sisters went through.

    • magnoliarose says:

      It isn’t your fault. I am sorry for your situation and suffering. Thank you for your courage and sharing this. New perspectives are always helpful.

  39. Kitten says:

    I believe her.
    I also agree with others that it’s time to move on from the petty infighting. It’s embarrassing and counterproductive and not what the #metoo movement is about. Or maybe this should be called “#metoo: white feminism edition”.

    • Moon Beam says:

      Ugh, agreed Kitten, agreed. This is petty and annoying. If Meryl was sending women to his hotel room and actively covering up for him I could get it, but the fact that she may have kept her head in the sand and her reaction to this do not warrant this kind of reaction! She has said lots of stupid stuff over the years, but it is still nowhere near the level of people like HW, let’s keep the focus on shaming the predators.

    • magnoliarose says:

      Yeah I mean no one can do anything about it now. This needs to be taken into their personal spheres and let some oxygen in the room for others. Other monsters need to be dragged out from under the rocks.

  40. Mimz says:

    I believe Meryl… and many womem who say they didnt know. I am 31 and have met and worked with a fair share of creeps, and maybe avoided to be left alone with them etc but i didnt actually KNOW anything. So i didnt just KNOW anything. Just a gut feeling but guys werent telling me about these men and women dont normally casually mention to others they have been raped..
    The usual narrative is oh this girl had sex to get her promotion.
    I imagine the narrative around in Hollywood was that some actresses only got ahead because they slept with him. So can we blame women or (some) men that claim they didnt know? Can we really assume that every one in hollywood knew he was a pig, rapist? I habe reservations about these sweeping assumptions.

  41. perplexed says:

    Looking at Rose McGowan’s original tweet, it sounded like she was criticizing the idea of wearing black. The original tweet does somewhat have a point. It’s not so much what the actresses did or didn’t know, but the idea of a silent protest (somewhat of an oxymoron, I think? Maybe?). I didn’t really think she was wrong in pointing out that the Golden Globe is a fake award either (I mean, yeah, it kind of is). And it’s at the presentations of these awards where Harvey Weinstein would get the most praise. The people at the top levels claim they didn’t know him outside of a few meetings, yet they had no problem praising him to high heavens (that’s a lot of sucking up to someone you don’t know that well. Why would you call him “God”? if you really don’t know him that well, and he’s just a mere marketer and not an actual filmmaker?) .

    Maybe Rose McGowan should have left Meryl Streep’s name out of it, but I don’t necessarily think she’s wrong about the dissonance these people have (which I think may have been her actual point, not what they actually knew).

    • Cranberry says:

      Sometimes people will over compliment someone because they’re not close to them. It was a terrible word to use, but she was probably referring to him professionally and however instrumental he was to the making of the film. He’s a scourge, but he gets results big time. That doesn’t mean she knew details of how he operated. I’ve always suspected that actors that won awards for his films were expected to be publicly acknowledge and credit him at the podium. I wonder if that was a contract clause or an expectation actors were clued in on.

      • perplexed says:

        I can understand a simple thank you even to the extent of saying he was instrumental to the making of a film, but not that level of praise. Especially now that she says he was “just” a marketer, and not an actual filmmaker. Since she now says he was not an actual filmmaker, I now feel her praise for him makes even way less sense than it did.before. If she thought he was a filmmaker or more powerful than her, the pressure she felt to praise him would have at least made sense. Her recent public statement now makes me more confused as to her high praise for him.

        Jennifer Lawrence has been criticized for praising David O. Russell, so if that can come under critique, I don’t see why Meryl Streep’s over-praise of Weinstein wouldn’t come under criticism/scrutiny either by the same logic.

      • Cranberry says:

        “If she thought he was a filmmaker or more powerful than her, the pressure she felt to praise him would have at least made sense.”

        @perplexed, But at the time she may have thought he was more powerful than she. She may have been trying to show humility and deference to him. After all he was known as a Titan-God of Hollywood. She may have bought into all the Harvey hype too. Acceptance speeches can easily go wrong or hit the wrong note especially when their elated and perhaps too magnanimous.

        Being a marketing “god” is huge in HW, almost everything it seems these days unfortunately. He did have some creative “input” on some projects, but mostly he’s a master dealer and marketer that could surmounted any hurtle in HW that would have killed other films. Now we know he used deplorable tactics and in fact killed other peoples films.

  42. courtney says:

    meryl is disingenuous at best. she openly supported roman polanski after he was guilty of drugging and raping a child… a child! she is no moral compass she is garbage

    • Jenn says:

      I’m sure the kid that Silva raped wouldnt appreciate Roses statement about the guy who raped him being a great guy and hey she doesn’t know anything about “that” ( “that” being him raping a kid). Does this mean McGowan too has no moral compass?

      How is McGowans support for and choice to work with a child rapist different than Meryl’s support of a child rapist?

  43. perplexed says:

    “He needed me much more than I needed him and he made sure I didn’t know.”

    Which is why I’ll never understand why she referred to him as “God.”

  44. Madame says:

    Holy Shit women! Please let us not devolve into finger pointing, the classic divide and conquer retreat of the British colonial establishment. Crimes against us and our bodies, and minds, and potentials, and our individual and collective spirits should be our focus. Seize this moment to affect change in rape culture. There is so much work to be done!

  45. Girlie says:

    Yet Rose also took money from HW in exchange for her silence. Why didn’t she refuse the money and speak up? There may not be as many victims if she had

  46. sunshine gold says:

    Meryl is not the problem here. And Rose M. is a little sanctimonious and comes off more than a little unhinged. I get she had an awful experience with HW, but it seems like she needs mental help.

  47. Sue says:

    Actually, Meryl does support rape, because she supports Roman Polanski who is a convicted rapist. When he won an award ,she stood up in support of him and wildly applauded.