Duchess Kate stood in front of Meghan on the balcony because of the ‘pecking order’

Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, on the balcony of Buckingham Palace for the Trooping the Colour flypast

I guess we’re still talking about the positioning at Trooping the Colour. I personally think the way the royal family positioned themselves on the balcony worked out for the best. Everyone said that the Duchess of Sussex was quite nervous because it was her first big balcony moment with the entire family, and Meghan was being coached through it by Harry, who even told her when to courtsy to the Queen. It just seemed to me like Meghan was quite happy to not be front and center and on display that way for her first trip to the balcony, and that’s why she seemed fine with sort of fading back behind the Queen, Prince Charles, Camilla and the Duchess of Cambridge, of course. It also worked out because Kate was in full Alpha Dog mode, staking her claim front and center and basically ensuring that Meghan would have to fade back. As I said, people are still talking about the body language and the positioning. Here’s what People Mag had to say about it:

When Meghan Markle made her official Trooping the Colour debut last Saturday, she wasn’t front and center on the palace balcony. The new Duchess of Sussex notably stood behind her sister-in-law, Kate Middleton, and brother-in-law, Prince William — and it all came down to a royal “pecking order.”

“She was not as prominent perhaps as some people might have expected, but there’s a pecking order,” Joe Little, managing editor of Majesty magazine, tells PEOPLE. “There was no slight intended, but William being the older, more senior brother would go out [first] with his wife.”

During Kate’s Trooping the Color debut in 2011, she stood in the front, but to the far left of the balcony.

“[Meghan] was still in a good position,” adds Little. “She was central rather than the alternative of being in the front row and along the balcony to the left or right.”

A palace source says Meghan’s balcony position “would have come from her. There’s no one laying this out, telling her where to stand. And there were a lot of kids who everyone would want at the front.”

[From People]

I seriously don’t understand the “royal pecking order” defense for how people were positioned, especially because there were people – some of them children – who got to stand in front, who are way down the “pecking order,” like Peter Phillips’ children. But whatever – as I said, it all worked out. Meghan was happy to not be on center stage and all eyes were on Kate’s puffy-sleeved fuggery.

Speaking of Meghan and Kate and what will be years of passive-aggressive sh-t, Meghan has formally joined the Royal Foundation, which is William, Kate and Harry’s charity. The Royal Foundation funds some conservation work and has some kind of vague connection to Heads Together, but mostly it just seems like the Royal Foundation throws parties for itself and sponsors premieres. The name of the foundation has been changed too: it’s now The Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. That’s a mouthful and a half. Maybe they’ll just call it TRFDDCDDS. Jesus Christ!! Branding, people. Remember how to brand your sh-t. Your foundation should have a snappy, easy-to-remember name.

Princess Anne, Princess Beatrice, Prince Andrew, Camilla Duchess of Cornwall, Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles, Meghan Duchess of Sussex, Prince Harry, Catherine Duchess of Cambridge, Prince William, Princess Charlotte, Prince George on the balcony at Bu

Royal family at Buckingham Palace for the Trooping The Colour in London

The British Royal Family attend the Trooping of The Colour in London

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  1. Honest B says:

    Here we go again…

    • Jane says:

      I know…right?

    • Rhys says:

      Meghan is in the honeymoon phase but she is working too hard on her “puppy eyes on Harry for the cheap seats in the back.” It’s coming off a bit too actressy.

      • Liriel says:

        I’m not hating on Meghan! But honestly her puppy eyes are as natural as Kate’s manic grin. I get why she does it but still it’s too much

      • susiecue says:

        I agree. I love her but dang

      • Bea says:

        Let the woman have puppy eyes days after returning from their honeymoon.

      • C says:

        I thought I was the only one thinking that!!

      • Milla says:

        Cheap seats? She’s part of one of most famous families in the world. There are no cheap seats. All seats are very pricey and no one there, on that balcony, have to worry about anything apart how to keep the firm going.

      • Mumbles says:

        I agree….I like her, and I liked the royal wedding but when she was batting her eyelashes at him throughout the ceremony I thought, eh, take it down a notch, honey.

        As for the pecking order….if you look back at photos of balcony scenes in the 1980s, Diana is usually standing right next to Fergie. Just saying.

      • KiddV says:

        Noooo, I like her puppy eyes! I think they’re adorable. Over the top, but adorable. It’s when the puppy eyes stop is when the juicy gossip begins. LOL

      • Bella Dupont says:

        They’re probably still having lots of hot, bed busting, sweaty sex…..the looks will fade….give it time. 😉

      • K says:

        @Milla I think they mean for those civilians watching far from the balcony. The phrase is from theatre: to play to the cheap seats means to over emote so that everyone, no matter how little (and thus how far away they are seated from the action) can catch everything that is happening onstage with the main players. There wasn’t any shade implied in Meghan’s standing on the balcony, I don’t think. As you said – there are no cheap seats on that balcony

      • Beth says:

        Lol. I thought I was the only one who noticed. After a year or so of being married, if she still has the batting lashes, lovey, dovey puppy eyes all of the time, I’ll say she’s trying too hard and it’s coming off a too actressy

      • KEEKS says:

        100% just thinking that in that picture. Also actressy? The fake smile with the curtsy.

      • Mama says:

        Um… it hasn’t even been a whole month since she got married to a guy who was biting his lip at her during the ceremony! He’s probably performing all types of hot, ginger goodness in the bedroom! I’d be making puppy eyes at him too.

      • lobbit says:

        C’mon, she just got married. We can’t let her have her honeymoon glow for a bit? Really?

      • Jaded says:

        I still give Mr. Jaded puppy eyes after 3 years together, can’t help myself. I lurve him!

      • Lizabeth says:

        Honestly not sure what puppy eyes/loving look 3-weeks post-wedding Meghan gave Harry that is objectionable or OTT. Is it like this one? This did seem a little exaggerated to me.

        https://people.com/royals/princess-kate-dancehall-in-berlin/

      • Guest says:

        And if she had resting bitch face, she would be accused of thinking she ls better then everyone. I mean she was already accused of not loving harry, now shes being accused of being fake. 😶

      • girl_ninja says:

        They JUST returned from their honeymoon dude. Chill.

      • Sunsetsnow says:

        It is a bit too much and a little fake!

      • PrincessK says:

        Meghan is naturally photogenic and doe eyed she just can’t help it if she looks beautiful in every single picture which she does. Harry can’t believe his luck.

      • Starlight says:

        Groan so obviously copy cat, Kate does that when Wills is unhappy, that staring up at his face look, although MM looks slightly Hollywood actress staring up longingly action take two

    • Missy says:

      It’s like a broken record. Please make it stop!

    • minx says:

      As long as Kate is isn’t criticized for being “too tall”…

      • Bea says:

        lol, never.

        Tall ladies ftw!

      • Heat says:

        Well, if she were too tall, it would only be a ploy on her part to upstage Meghan.
        {eyeroll & snark inserted here}

      • Elisa says:

        @Minx: you jinxed it! 😉 Some of the comments down-thread are so OTT, hilarious!

      • FLORC says:

        I can get on board with this usually, but yea… its ott. She’s in love. Kate’s already taller. Stepped ahead slightly. Any pecking order without the men/queen or blood royals all there doesn’t matter.
        Sometimes the silliness is on overload.

    • qtpi says:

      Yes the Megan Puppy Eyes are entirely grating. Please FTLOG act like a normal person. I have no doubt she is crazy about him but it comes off like she is trying to hard to prove it to everyone.

    • A says:

      Honestly, there’s so much discourse and debate for something like this, when it boils down to one simple fact: children are short people. They’re shorter than adults. Ergo, they can’t see when they’re standing behind adults, which is why they’re in the front. And where the children go, parents will go to look after them. Because they’re children.

      That’s why Peter and Autumn Phillips are in the front. Their kids are friends with William’s kids, so they’re standing closer together. This is also why, when and if Meghan has children of her own, she’ll probably be standing right beside Kate on that balcony, in the front. Just saying this so that people don’t start wondering what kind of promotion Meghan got, five years down the line, and if she outranks Kate because her hat has more feathers or something nonsensical like that.

      • Elise says:

        This. Besides, if it really was a matter of “who outranks whom,” Charles and Camilla would have been in front of William and Kate.

      • Aurelia says:

        I looked back at an old Trooping the Colour and saw Freddie Windsor up front. He was unacccompanied – meaning Michael of Kent and his foul wife didn’t make the cut and weren’t allowed in the front row.

      • A says:

        @Aurelia, Lady Sarah Chatto didn’t come to the Trooping this year. I wonder what got her cut then.

      • Shannon says:

        ^^^ this.

  2. Noddles says:

    I suspect it was a pecking order thing because that’s pretty much how all balcony appearances go. The kids are at the front because they’re small but the most senior royals are always front and centre, with lesser royals standing behind and to the sides. If there were less people on the balcony I’m sure Meghan and Harry would have stood at the front but it was pretty crowded.

    • Masamf says:

      No pecking order wasn’t applicable this time. Duke of York was standing next to HM, Camilla Duchess of Cornwall was in the line behind Kate, her and Meghan were in the back. Other royals with lower status were standing in front. So, no pecking order did not apply in this case.

      • MeghanNotMarkle says:

        And there’s the year Kate shoved Charles and Camilla out of the way and nobody stopped her (though it appeared that Charles was trying to encourage to reclaim her territory). The only order is Kate front and center. Everyone else can stand wherever they can fit so long as they aren’t blocking her.

  3. Nan says:

    The whole Kate and Meghan “thing” is getting old. And it’s only begun.

    I hope they become BFF’s and rule the world. Together.

    Empower.

    • jas says:

      Yes Nan! Why does everyone want these two at odds?

    • STRIPE says:

      Yeah I’m really bummed to see people putting these two against each other. It’s a dated trope and I wish we could just move on – especially since this is a site that is supposed to be feminist ya know?

      • CamoTime says:

        THIS ^^^^. The blog author is feeding the fire and it is disappointing. Kate is constantly portrayed as a mean girl who is threatened by everyone. It is enough.

      • FLORC says:

        Camotime
        Kate did spend years being the not so nice girl. Much like how shes still referred to as kate Middleton… shedding old images takes time.

        This is a tale and practice as old as time. The spare and by association his wife were always to be taken down to prop up the heir and his wife. The practice has history and isn’t a fabrication. This is only the beginning.

    • Red says:

      +100000

    • AG-UK says:

      Exactly and someone said before that she looked like she was telling Meghan off in the photos I saw from the side you could see Kate was smiling they were all laughing. Who cares they can stand wherever they want maybe that’s where she wanted to be. All that smiling and waving I’d want to be in the back too.

    • Lela says:

      that’s what I hope also. I said this a few times but I think these two have far more in common, marrying into the family, then is reported.

    • KEEKS says:

      My inlaws were the ones who put my relationship with my SIL in shambles. There will be comparisons, and it’s up to the ladies to navigate. I’m sure Charles and Camillla wouldn’t care to create conflict. Only I am privileged enough to marry in to crazy town.

    • Snappyfish says:

      @Nan…Spot On!!

    • Susie says:

      YES!! I completely agree!

    • Severin88 says:

      @nan for sure. It’s annoying that this narrative is trying to be shoved down our throats by some sites. Hopefully they are a support for eachother. They aren’t the Real Housewives of Windsor for the love if gawwwd. Empower!

  4. Kitty says:

    Honestly she has kids to look after. Why is this being made into something else?

    • Enn says:

      With Meg picking up and moving her whole life to another country, I think it would be nice if they became friends. I know some SILs who are close and it’s lovely for them, especially those who have children close in age.

      Charlotte reminds me of my niece, who wants to climb everything and has no concept of danger. It looks like Kate is hanging onto her dress in the one picture.

  5. Thatsallfolks says:

    Meghan does not walk on water, people. Girl is low key thirsty.

    • Lala says:

      How Sway? Seriously…how is she thirsty? It’s not like she has to pick up the phone to get press coverage..things like that happen organically when you’re a royal…

      • Lexa says:

        I mean… she’s since stopped but she did a few playful Instagram posts teasing the relationship and a number of pap walks in her dating days, including the set of her buying flowers. Her coat was open and her necklace with H and M initials was on full display. This might have been a deal she worked out with some photographers so she wouldn’t be hounded at her house/work rather than 100% attention seeking behavior, though.

      • Bea says:

        I see some folks will never let Meghan live down a few actions that could be considered reaches from nearly two years ago. Talk about holding a grudge. Anyway, if those are the only things Meghan can be criticized for in the name of being thirsty than she’s doing all right.

      • Lexa says:

        @Bea People constantly hold stuff against Kate from her dating years, so yes, this is Meghan’s new normal. And you’re right—I meant that those were the only signs of thirst I detected from her with this relationship and a pap walk here and there is nothing, especially if it makes her life easier.

    • Nic919 says:

      Meghan is in the back row the whole time talking with Harry or Charles and Camilla but she is the thirsty one. Ok sure.

      • Honey says:

        And, really, why would she even have expectations of being the focal point, front and center? Visiting dignitaries and heads of states wouldn’t even get the central spot. I even think it’s absurd to even think she thought she’d be front and center.

        As far as Kate muscling to the center position, my theory is that without QEII, Charles, Anne or Andrew there (not sure where Edward was), the void would be noticeable and the viewing crowd would not want Camilla standing in the central spot. I guessing they figured that an aesthetically pleasing Kate, who will one day assume the mantel of Consort, would do. However, it would have probably been more of a PR family friendly slant (and even more stabilizing) if Harry had moved to the middle and had been surrounded by Camilla, Kate, Meghan, and Sophie with Peter, his wife and the York’s bookending them.

        Kate, by herself, sends a message but it’s one that speaks to a sort of isolated power—if you will.

    • Melinda says:

      Hahaha… Meghan will ALWAYS be in the back. As Catherine’s children grow up she will continue to become a person of less importance. I can’t imagine most senior members of the family have any use for her. They see her for what she is.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Melinda, surprised you didn’t take your offensive rant a bit further and imply Meghan is supposed to sit in the back of the bus.

        They see her for what she is – educated, articulate, hard-working, and already getting to work for the Firm. Gee, they must hate that.

      • PrincessK says:

        Yes Melinda and that is why HM The Queen has especially invited her to accompany her on the royal train, a rare privilege accorded only to very senior royals and then spend the whole day with her going to THREE different events. William, Harry and Kate have never had such an opportunity.

  6. Mego says:

    The senior royals were at the center of the balcony near the Queen and pecking order would dictate that the Duchess of Cornwall wouldn’t be shoved in the back out of sight when the queen arrived. If they were to give it any thought the taller people (cough Kate) could have stood behind a bit so that evryone could see and be seen. Interesting to note Meghan’s close proximity to the Queen – guess one of the benefits of being in the back row! All in all I don’t think alot of thought was put into positioning and Camilla and Meghan probably didn’t care much about it. Camilla never struck me as someone who needed a lot of attention which is to her credit.

  7. Red says:

    Why is anyone even trying to pretend like Kate was the one that planned this? How is it hard to believe that since Kate is the mother of the future king that of course she’s in front? I’m sure when Meghan has a child, she’ll be near Kate to watch over them as well. There is literally no drama to find here.

    • Redgrl says:

      @red – agreed. People with kids got to move up to keep an eye on their children- like the Phillips’s. And I have to say the continued single-minded sniping about Kate’s hat, dress here is getting old. Camilla and Meghan had huge awesomely silly hats too.

      • Lela says:

        Also, aren’t there rules about hats? I think LAK posted something a few days ago about hat protocol and how they have to be a certain size and cover a certain portion of the head.

      • notasugarhere says:

        HM dislikes fascinators, so she requires hats to be at least 4 inches in diameter.

      • PrincessK says:

        Except that the Phillips did not keep an eye on their little girl.

    • Milla says:

      Cos Kate is easy to dislike.

      Of course it wasn’t her idea. Of course someone else planned this. Harry was not in the first row last year, why would he be now?

  8. All About Eve says:

    This must be Groundhog Day!

    Kate has always stood in front. This time she was standing just behind her young children which is where she should be. And luckily she was there to catch Charlotte when she slipped. If Meghan & Harry want to stand in front then no one is stopping them. Stop blaming Kate for everything.

    • Elisa says:

      But, but don’t you know that evil Kate planned this all along?? She pushed poor little Charlotte on purpose so she could catch her and then say: “See, that’s why I must stand in front!!”
      😉

  9. Dixiebells says:

    I cannot believe these little tidbits keep coming out. Yes they’re a conservative and traditional family, yes they’re a bit more concerned with rank than your average family get together. Yes they dress conservatively. Honestly I think Meghan has adapted to all of that fine, even counting the great shoulder exposure debacle of 2018 (I think the jury is still out on if that was even a big deal). But these stories about how every little thing is micromanaged and who’s thinking what are just ridiculous. No one knows! The most an observer knows is that they’re conservative and defer to the Queen. I don’t think there’s anything more to see here! 🙂

    • Jan says:

      These tidbits come out because these idiot gossip sites wouldn’t have anything to post if they didn’t make up this crap!

      • notasugarhere says:

        And yet you’re here reading and posting…

      • magnoliarose says:

        Sure Jan. Feel free to go to a blog run by nuclear physicists to discuss the universe anytime and yet… you are here AND took a moment to post.

    • Dixiebells says:

      Uh there seem to be a lot of commenters pointing out that it’s starting to seem ridiculous and made up? That’s what we’re commenting on. Jan.

  10. Brunswickstoval says:

    Who cares? Honestly before Meghan Markle would anyone in the US even care about this?
    #justwantAustraliatobearepublic

    • Jan says:

      Actually yes, don’t judge but I’m from Cincinnati, Ohio and there are many people who fangirl on the British Monarchy.

      • Brunswickstoval says:

        Well I stand corrected 😂. I’m so done with the monarchy (being Australian) this isn’t about dresses and hierarchy for us we have to cowtow to this ridiculousness.

      • Aurelia says:

        I’m bummed because H & M are planning a trip to New ZEaland in October. I wanted them just to go to Ausssie cause I imagined the million dollar hosting charge to this country could be better spent on real life.

      • Addie says:

        I’m bummed because they are coming to Australia and we will also be paying for this British anachronism too. Plus we will have to endure all the propaganda around them changing the Commonwealth in between their holidaying. I wish they’d confine that for people with no brain cells. Yeah, OUR money can be better spent on real life too. They are Britain’s burden.
        #justwantAustraliatobearepublic

    • Scotchy says:

      Canadian here and I too am done done done with the monarchy.

      • Nic919 says:

        Yes. That dumb article in the National Post about Harry being king of Canada was a bit much. We don’t British people as symbolic figureheads period.

      • Mynameispearl says:

        Irish, but live in NI, so ditto. Bye Royal family.

    • magnoliarose says:

      I would have lost interest by now I have to admit. The Kate and Will show is rather boring. Before I just liked the threads for the funny comments and then it became an escape from the election but without MM I wouldn’t have stuck around.

    • Milla says:

      We had kings and queens in Europe. USA never had that, hence the obsession with the royals.
      I love lady Diana, because she was a rebel and she went clubbing with Mercury, George, Elton, she had style and her humanitarian work was honest. She was not a saint, she was real and she reinvented herself easily which is kind of badass. The only reason i know of brf is cos of her. But when i think of the uk i think of art and musicians, style, that attitude i never saw anywhere else, its all very fun and loud.

      • Lady D says:

        The rebel was the first person to publicly shake hands with an AIDS victim. The hope that must have given the AIDS community. Her work to remove landmines continues to this day. She was a badass and she showed them all how to do it. I wonder what kind of cause she would be involved with today?

  11. KNy says:

    1) Children are adorable and unpredictable and make for good media coverage – that’s why they were front and center, no matter the rank.
    2) She married into a family where she now curtsies to her grandmother-in-law. She knew what she was getting into and clearly felt it was worth it.

    • Liriel says:

      The best post! This to 10000x

    • OriginalLala says:

      right?

      I mean this all makes for fun gossip but, in reality, what a waste of money these people and their bizarre curtsying ways are.

    • KiddV says:

      I want to know how they all knew to curtsy at the same time. Does the footman wave a flag? Does her corgi bark? What or who gives the signal???

    • SJhere says:

      I have to say I am an American and even I know it’s protocol.
      I will admit that I am the same age as Diana and I do relate to how her life/marriage etc played out.
      When I see William and Harry, I clearly recall their young years with Diana and feel she really got the short end of the stick when she married into BRF.
      The puppy eyes situation….c’mon people, they just got married. Let them be happy.
      I walked around for months after my wedding with a dopey, happy grin.
      I enjoy seeing Will and his kids. And hope M & H have happy healthy babies too.

      Btw, being born and raised in middle USA and now having That Orange Fool as President, any reason for a smile is well worth it. I say more cute kid pics, send the entire pack of corgis toward the cameras, etc. (Could someone get a small beefeater hat on one of corgis and get a pic, please?)

      Have ya seen the pics with Anne’s granddaughter giving George a hand over his mouth?
      Yep, Royal or not…the older kids are bossy the same most kids. (I’m sorry but that pic made me laugh. I could almost hear he saying “Pipe down, George. You’re not King yet.”
      As the youngest in my family I constantly got “rank/pecking order” pulled on me from the older brothers.

  12. JustJen says:

    I love the pic where Meghan is looking up at Harry. It’s really adorable.

    • Betsy says:

      I didn’t even see her on that one – I was trying to figure out what Charlotte was doing in what looks like a dry heaves face.

    • Lady D says:

      I like the way she looks at him too, but according to some she’s just acting here turning her moon/calf/doe eyes on him. None of them seem to remember ever looking at the man they love the same way, only Meghan does that.

      • Bella Dupont says:

        Great point!

      • MeghanNotMarkle says:

        I’d be awestruck too if I were seeing that spectacle from the rare, privileged view of the Buck House balcony.

      • Natalie S says:

        Right? I looked at my H the same way when we first started dating and when we were newlyweds. Meghan’s on the balcony for the first time with her handsome prince husband. Can the woman show emotion without being accused of being fake? Should Harry have toned it down when he watched Meghan while everyone else was watching the flyover?

      • magnoliarose says:

        My husband and I are terrible about this but we are more in love now than we ever were and when I find his eyes in any situation I linger and we just look at each other. I love how he looks at me and I have been told he gazes at me when I am not looking. I know I do the same. I just love every cell in his body and it shows. Sappy but true. My heart speeds up and I want body contact ASAP.
        I used to hide it but I don’t anymore. In counseling, I learned it hurt him when I acted cold and distant. It was an act anyway so I knocked it off.
        Sure I think Meghan is aware of the cameras but I think the feelings behind it are genuine.

      • Melinda says:

        She looks at him the same exact way she looked at her tv husband. She looked at Trevor with much more love in her eyes. Now she looks wooden and dead.

      • Honey says:

        Kate used to look at William in that same smitten way and I used to say “ oh, just stop it” because I don’t find William attractive in any way, shape or form. However, love is nice. Being smitten is nice. Secret smiles are nice. So, although I complain and roll my eyes, I secretly give all loved couples a pass. Feeling loved and secure in that love is a beautiful thing.

      • Bea says:

        @Melinda did you actually analyze the intensity and sincerity of Meghan’s gaze between her ex-husband, TV husband and prince husband?

      • PrincessK says:

        @magnoliarose….is that all true or are you having us on??

      • Olenna says:

        @Bea, didn’t you know that the OP is a keen psychic connection analyst and the newest member of the Queen’s Astronomy, Astrology and Occult advisory team? Eye gazing is her specialty, having been certified by the Psychic Friends Network and awarded the 2018 Dionne Warrick Prize for Outstanding Achievements in Psychic Love Connections and Other Such Bullshit.

      • Aurelia says:

        LOLz Melinda, I saw that photo of Meghan looking doe eyed at her Suits T,V hubbo.

      • Carmen says:

        Melinda, you seem to have a very negative attitude toward Meghan. Too much melanin for you?

    • Mego says:

      Me too – And Inthink it is a good sign of how connected they are and how well he treats her. Also like Charles and Camilla as a couple – really connected and loving. I get the vibe that Kate is much more into William than he is with her and that he takes her for granted.

      • Sophia's side eye says:

        I think Will loves Kate, but I feel he’s also very self centered. So it can come off like he’s not that into her. I think no matter who he married they would’ve been treated the same, as Kate is, by William.

      • Honey says:

        Sophia. That’s probably true.

  13. xena says:

    I think it has become bit a pattern of Kate to try to visually dominate Trooping the Colour over the last years. She is always quite dominant there with her body language and her colour scheme. At least that is what I got from the pics that I saw. So she is not doing this particularly because of Meghan.

    • sally says:

      FYI the wardrobes for Trooping are approved of in advance.

      • Lady D says:

        Who approves them? Does everyone have to parade their chosen outfit past the Queen? Do they need to bring an alternate outfit just in case the first doesn’t pass muster? Does the job go to a LIW? Is one of the stuffy old Grey Men of the firm sitting in a musty office waiting to critique Kate’s, Zara’s, Ann’s, etc outfit? Love to see one of them tell Ann what she can wear. I wonder what the age limit is for being told what to wear? You’ve got me really curious now.

    • Mego says:

      Everyone defends her by saying that just because she is tall that doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t wear heels etc. Sure yet the fact remains that she looked like a giant and visually dominated the scene. Anyone with any self awareness would know that high heels and a very tall head thingy (it’s not a hat in my book) would make her look very large. I just get the sense that it was an attention seeking power move on her part – never got good vibes off this woman or her family.

      • minx says:

        Here we go….
        You’re saying because she’s tall she can’t wear the shoes or hats she wants.
        She can’t, heaven forbid, look “large” because women are supposed to be petite. They can’t take up too much room.
        Are you saying the same thing about William? He’s pretty tall.

      • L84Tea says:

        I know, the conniving little sneak in her big tall high heels…who does she think she is wearing what she wants and being tall to begin with? The absolute nerve!

      • perplexed says:

        She’s always worn high heels though. It’s not something new for her. And if I were as tall as her and I knew it was an asset, I’d maximize it. Why would you not maximize what makes you look attractive? She’d probably consider wearing flats if she was married to Tom Cruise, but she’s not, so…

      • Lela says:

        @minx I have been loving you so much for being a tall defender! How dare a tall woman wear heels and a prominent hat!! I am 5’10” and wear 5-6 inch heels happily, if Kate were to wear kitten heels or flats I 100% guarantee she would be ripped apart for it. Let tall women live their lives in the shoes they want!

      • minx says:

        Lela, thanks. I’m 5’ 11” and in my sixties, so I’ve heard this sh*t all my life.

      • sus says:

        I’m almost 6′ and I tend shy away from wearing heels because I don’t want to look “too tall” or “too large”, and comments like yours just reinforces that insecurity. So, thanks a lot.

      • Lady D says:

        @sus, wear them. Put them on and walk into the room like you own the damn thing. Head up and be proud. Almost everyone in the room will be secretly wishing they had your height. I promise you the masses will be impressed. (and a few women will hate you)

        I’m 5′ 8″ and up until I read this set of comments, I thought I was tall:) I had a job for a few years that required heels. I loved being 6′ tall, and boy could I move in those things. I have a foot problem so have been unable to wear heels for almost 20 years now. I really miss them sometimes, there are so many pretty shoes out there. If I ever got into Jennifer Anniston’s shoe closet, you wouldn’t be able to get me out.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        @ Xena, Mego

        Please. Kate was a frigging line-backer in heels on that balcony. That’s her territory and she wasn’t letting any upstarts challenge it. Lol

        @ Xena

        You are 100% right. It wasn’t so much her wearing heels and the hat of doom, it was the body language *with* the height that was the problem. It presented as quite aggressive.

        At the Christmas service for instance, she was wearing high heels and a large hat as well, but her body language was entirely different. She was open, welcoming, happy and inclusive. We didn’t have to hear a word of what she said to Meghan, you could just see it all over her. And we all praised her effusively for it.

        So, Kate honey, there is obviously absolutely nothing wrong with being tall, or wearing heels, or a hat – there’s nothing more elegant than a tall, beautiful woman. But if you’re going to use it as a passive aggressive weapon, expect to get called out for it. 😘😘😘

      • Mego says:

        Shrugs I assure you that I am both tall and large – larger than Kate and have never been criticized for being tall, or told not to wear heels etc. I love being tall but have the curtesy to not stand in front of smaller people in a photograph or say on a balcony where thousands of people were trying to get a glimpse of people besides me. That’s my point – look as big as you want but standing in front of people hiding them from view? Inconsiderate period.

      • minx says:

        Why don’t you criticize the rest of the BRF for being height-challenged? They have about as much control over that as Kate does.

      • sus says:

        So, let Meghan and Andrew switch places. He’s taller than her so he should move and stand in the back. Charles is also taller, he could move.

      • perplexed says:

        I don’t think Meghan Markle is hidden from view. We can see her.

        I see Camilla too, but I don’t think Camilla is someone a lot of people have ever cared to notice or care about. And I don’t think she minds that we don’t care to notice her.

      • minx says:

        sus, great point. Let the men switch. But men are allowed to be as tall or fat or big as they please and everyone has to make room for them. They’re allowed to take up more than one seat if they feel like it. Women aren’t. We have to accommodate everyone, men and shorter people, even if it means diminishing our size by slouching, wearing flats or standing in the back row. We’re just trying to call attention to ourselves by being tall, being showoffs or “too proud.”

      • Erinn says:

        I’m only 5’2″ – tall ladies of the world, I envy you. And if you want to wear heels you damn wear whatever height heels you want. Do whatever makes YOU happy / comfortable. Because quite honestly – I wish I was taller. Heels help, but most bug my feet enough that I don’t bother.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I am tall, 5’10 +. I love being tall but I also wouldn’t wear a hat that distracting at that event when the Queen should be the focus. My critique has nothing to do with Meghan but more about HM. Meghan’s standing in the back was fine. I don’t find that part that important since I think it wasn’t by rank anyway that day. Obviously, fat head pervy Andy was up front and looking large and in charge next to Mama and he’s increasingly unimportant in the lineup.
        In a group photo op like this, it was poor form on her part to try to pull on the focus on her when the event was not about her. I have no issue with tall hats, though I think that one is a crime against millinery, but I think there is a time and place for it. Say Ascot.
        It is obviously an issue if it is still being discussed.
        The photo looked like a disjointed mess of an unhappy family anyway but still.

      • Aurelia says:

        Yeah Waity has always worn 4 inch heels but the 10 inch hat was reaching new heights !

      • Aurelia says:

        Im 5 11 and a half and only wear 3 inch heels max at certain times. 6 foot 2 is quite enough for me. I can barely hear peoples conversations as it is. I want to be included. My neck also gets sore from looking down even more than I really need to.

      • Aurelia says:

        Christ almighty I hate fat head, pervy and snobbish Andrew. He is as much use as boozy margaret. Waste of space. But he’s still up there thinking he has a fanbase (which is ain’t had since the 80’s) and relevant.

  14. Tara Beth says:

    A 546-word phrase for “Duh”.

    • Olenna says:

      Oh my goodness, you are so right! LOL! Please, let’s move on from the balcony stories and who’s positioned where in the peanut gallery.

      • magnoliarose says:

        THAT is where the juice truly is. So much there to behold. My parents love to be with their grandchildren and yet here…not so much. It is very odd how distant Charles is with his heirs and yet he is so affectionate with Camilla’s grands. It is in every photo too.

      • Lizabeth says:

        @Magnoliarose…maybe the stories are true that Charles rarely gets to see Will and Kate’s children but frequently sees children on Camilla’s side of the family.

  15. Becks says:

    So is it a pecking order or not? Pecking order doesn’t make sense – why was Camilla in the back in that case – so standing where you want makes sense. The lesser royals know to stand more to the side. (Plus if they come to the balcony after the more prominent royals there’s no real way to be front and center).

    But where are all the Kate defenders insisting the spots were marked on the balcony and Kate had no choice where to stand lol.

    FTR Kate’s position would not have raised so many eyebrows had she not been wearing that hat lol.

  16. Who ARE these people? says:

    Stupid question: Why do they need their purses out on the balcony? Are they afraid to leave them inside the palace?

    • Honest B says:

      Thieving stylists inside the palace.

      • Nic919 says:

        Well apparently they don’t pay royal staff that well and the “prestige” of working for them supposedly makes up for it. (Not that staff would bother though)

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Doubtless

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        At the same time, it’s not as if they carry wads of cash and all their credit cards. …are the purses always essential accessories?

      • magnoliarose says:

        They should leave them off. They look a little stupid and the way the hold them drives me nuts. It is also stiff and far too formal.

    • Addie says:

      I wondered why the purses are needed on the balcony, or even in engagements. I mean, they use public money, not their own.

  17. Honest B says:

    I also heard Harry was really bitter that Charles and William got to wear red and really stand out on the balcony.

  18. sus says:

    I assume she was standing in front to keep an eye on Charlotte, who did have a tumble so good thing her mom was right there. And her hat is great and not 3 feet wide so I think Megan could see just fine.

    • Addie says:

      But meanwhile George was making noise during the National Anthem, prompting Savannah’s response. Neither William nor Kate stopped him or prepped him prior in how to behave.

  19. Natalie S says:

    Kate was in front to keep Charlotte from tumbling off the balcony. Camilla outranks Kate and she wasn’t in front. When Harry and Meghan have kids, they’ll be in front too. Meghan probably appreciated having some space instead of being front and center.

    Now maybe knowing she was going to be standing in front of people, it might have been more polite for Kate to wear a hat that wouldn’t block the view of anyone behind her but then Sophie showed up in EW so she’s currently the frontrunner in being rude.

    • Nic919 says:

      Andrew is the real story here. He was next to the Queen where Phillip would be, so if this was entirely about rank then he needed to be shoved behind Charles and his kids. Harry outranks Andrew.
      Kate was being Kate.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I don’t think pecking order was involved in the placement of kids and parents and new married ins or any of that. But I do think HM wanted her favorite Andrew next to her as part of celebrating him riding in The Trooping for the first time.

    • magnoliarose says:

      This is where I defend Kate. Charlotte is shall we say a spirited child. I have one of my own so I would not let someone else monitor her on a balcony like that. They don’t know her like I do. Not even my parents or a caregiver. I KNOW her tendencies and she would have tried to look over, chatted to everyone, asked a million ?s and got testy if I didn’t let her then get cranky if she fell like Charlotte. George is also a handful and a little moody so I am sure she wanted to make sure they were ok. I think her image now is mother Kate and that is fine because I believe she likes the role. William always seems stern and annoyed where she seems like a gentler touch with the children.

      • A says:

        @magnoliarose, it’s not even that Charlotte is particularly spirited. I mean, yes she is, but she’s also a child, so of course her mother or someone is going to stand close by so that they can look after her and make sure she’s behaving. It’s one of the most common sense ideas in existence. Even the most well-behaved child is going to be looked after by their parent, if they are on hand, so the idea that this is all something that came down to a packing order of some sort is just strange.

      • Addie says:

        But George wasn’t behaving (making noise during the national anthem) and no-one except Savannah intervened. That little girl knew he was being disrespectful; his parents did not or did not care.

  20. Rhys says:

    It’s not a family garden party but a formal event where everyone has a role. Same thing for why the Royals not touching one another in public – they are not celebrities. They are at a professional event.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Are we still on about how PDA is not allowed between royal couples during a royal engagement? Go see Charles and Camilla, or Charles and Diana for that matter. It is we the plebes who aren’t supposed to touch the Queen, but no prohibition against PDA etc. in public.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        Lol @ “It is we the plebs….”. Indeed.

      • Addie says:

        Can we lose the fantasy that ‘royals’ are somehow a superior species? They are bog ordinary, like everyone else. They just market themselves as special and schmucks believe it.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I don’t believe they’re superior. I think they have a very odd job to do, but as long as the people keep them around, they’ll keep doing that odd job.

  21. JaneDoesWork says:

    I thought Meghan looked miserable on the balcony. She didn’t just look nervous, she looked extremely uncomfortable and like something had upset her before she came out. When Harry asked if she was okay she responded “alright” one word, tersely.

    • Citresse says:

      I thought MM looked so different since her return from her honeymoon, not mad or upset, just different..her face seems fuller.

      • homeslice says:

        The reality of this ridiculous life is setting in…

      • PrincessK says:

        I think she looks more relaxed and she probably has gained a teeny bit of weight. Nothing she will go through again could be as stressful as the half siblings and the father sagas.

    • Vanessa says:

      Oh please Meghan didn’t not looked miserable or upset there were many pictures of her smiling and laughing looking happy with Harry and talking to Camilla and Charles . I don’t why people keep pushing this narrative that meghan is miserable and she unhappy she and Harry have only been married for three weeks it’s like people keep looking or hoping that Meghan is miserable in her new life .

      • JaneDoesWork says:

        I totally disagree. I’ve been a huge fan of Meghan’s since season 1 of Suits premiered. I love her, and am not trying to push a narrative. I’ve just never seen her look so tense and unhappy. I’m one of those people that when I’m feeling that way but have to interact with my in laws, I smile and it kind of knocks me out of that funk. Maybe she’s the same, but when you look at her alone with Harry on the balcony, she looks like she just got some bad news.

    • notasugarhere says:

      She looked fine and happy to me. Harry pointing things out and explaining along the way, Charles, Harry, and Meghan smiling and happy while talking on the balcony.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      I also noticed several tense looking moments between Harry and Meghan…..not just on the balcony, but also during the carriage ride. It looked as if they had just got some unhappy news or something had just happened.

      I wondered if it might have anything to do with the Closer issue…….apparently, they are entering an appeal against the size of the settlement granted to Will + Kate, using Meghan’s nude pictures and sexy video as a basis for their argument. (In a nutshell).

      News of this came out around that time, if I’m not mistaken, so that could be the cause.

      • JaneDoesWork says:

        I totally agree. i’ve been a fan of hers since suits premiered in Season 1, and I’ve never seen her like that.

      • Aes says:

        Huh, I didn’t notice any tension, but I only saw snippets and I haven’t followed Meghan as long as you have.

        If I saw it, though, I’d be inclined to think she was just impressed by her surroundings and was taking it all in with a certain reserve and formality. I’d expect anyone in her position to be a bit overwhelmed.

        Having said that, everyone I’ve spoken to thinks this was a rushed marriage and are waiting for it all to unravel, sadly.

      • PrincessK says:

        Please don’t believe everything you read in gossip mags. stories like this will becoming out every week.

    • magnoliarose says:

      I like Meghan and Harry. But I do think she looked not her usual bouncy self. I have no idea why but she did a little out of sorts. That event looks like an exercise in misery, to be honest, and not something anyone would want to do if they weren’t feeling up to it. For whatever reason.
      My friend swears it is fertility drugs. She thinks she looked puffy. But then she is trying to get pregnant at 40 with her first so she sees fertility conspiracies everywhere. I am not familiar with fertility drugs but it seems a little soon and far fetched to me.

    • perplexed says:

      The event looks kind of boring. I think its hard to look excited at this sort of thing. I’ve wondered if the Queen secretly thinks her birthday event is boring, and would rather be at home eating bon-bons.

  22. crogirl says:

    “because there were people – some of them children – who got to stand in front, who are way down the “pecking order,” like Peter Phillips’ children”

    Wow, those are kids, if they are not in front what’s the point of them being there. Besides Savannah Phillips is Queen’s oldest greatgrandchild, the daughter of her oldest grandchild, why shouldn’t she stand in front of both Kate and Meghan.

  23. All About Eve says:

    In other news how dare William-the-heir try to take the shine away from his younger brother Harry-the-sixth by wearing a red jacket. Does he not know his place!

  24. MousieBrown says:

    Peter Phillips’ children are the Queen’s great-grandchildren just as George and Charlotte are, so they have every reason to be in front too, from a family point of view (not where they are in the succession).

    I wonder if Zara had her baby – she must be really close if not.

    • notasugarhere says:

      I was kind of hoping she’d deliver on Philip’s birthday last Sunday (June 10th).

  25. Upstatediva says:

    The non-colonels come out twice, once before QEII and once after. Charlotte and George were not on the balconies the first time. Kate came out VERY strong and Center. Watching that part of the video, I more saw how Camilla basically got pushed back by Kate rather than H&M.
    When the Queen came out and her kids came out, I agree that she needed to be where she was to keep them from going over the rail.

    • Lizabeth says:

      Absolutely @Upstatediva. If all we had was the final photo, then the “had to watch the children” narrative would work. But Kate was doing exactly as you say claiming the center spot BEFORE the children came out. Two yrs ago she pushed to the front so that Charles was pushed back into the next row. Now it’s Camilla pushed back. Three yrs ago when Will was holding George and infant Charlotte was not present. Kate defenders were hysterical because Kate was sort of in the 2nd row. Still next Will, but not fully in front. She was at his shoulder close enough to talk to George the whole time. Her defenders said that should not have happened and vowed it never would again. Guess Kate agreed!

      • harla says:

        Oh god I remember all the tears and teeth gnashing when Kate wasn’t front and center that year, it was hysterical!!! It looked to me as though Camilla was hanging back, talking to Harry and Meghan quite a bit and didn’t really care where she stood.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Lol I didn’t know that. She loves to be noticed and does her best in group situations so I am not surprised.

  26. lobbit says:

    I cannot wait for the news cycle to eat this story.

  27. NG_20 says:

    The kids are adorable

  28. Busyann says:

    I think Kate was meant to be at the front because of her seniority, but her body language said more to me than anything. She towered over everyone, stood straight in the middle before the kids even came out, and made little effort to interact with anyone. She took her place up with purpose I think. A lot of people defending Kate are not looking at everything she does and instead only focus on little things like, she was up there to keep Charlotte from falling…she didn’t know Charlotte was going to fall before hand so that doesn’t make sense. Or there wasn’t a pecking order because the other lesser royals were at the front too, if that’s the case and she could stand anywhere, why choose to be front and center unless that was the image you wanted to send? If she knew that this was Meghan’s first balcony, wouldn’t it be more gracious to let Meghan go to the front? Hmmmm?

    • perplexed says:

      I don’t think its her fault that Camila and Charles have shrunk. Maybe they should have taken more calcium. Just kidding.

      I think Kate would have stood out no matter what. She’s attractive and slim and doesn’t look like Camilla. Would I notice her next to Cindy Crawford? No. But the royal family isn’t full of models so It’s inevitable she’ll stand out. And even though Meghan is positioned to the back, I still notice her more than Camilla because she’s attractive. I don’t think the positioning matters much because the eye always goes to the pretty, youthful people (i.e Kate and Meghan) and the cute people (i.eGeorge, Charlotte, Savannah). It’s just the way our gazes work — in the end, I looked for both women to see what they were wearing and noticed them both immediately. And, Camilla, well, she’s Camilla. Even if she’s the right one for Charles blah blah blah, she’s just never going to get focus on her face like Diana did. Camilla is so boring looking, I could probably nab more focus than her. It’s not that hard. And I’m no Emily Ratjakows-what’s-her-face.

    • Plshelp says:

      There are pictures of her laughing with the queen, and charles, harry, and meghan. Plus I think harry has been in the back for quite a few appearances on the balcony.

    • minx says:

      Again, as a tall woman I am saying—How is it her “fault” she “towered” over everyone? Is being tall a bad thing she needs to compensate for? She has to wear flats as a punishment for being tall?

      • homeslice says:

        I know. The nit picking on this knows no bounds…

        As a shorty, who always wished to be tall and willowy, rock on with your heels and hats, Kate! I thought she had one of her best looks there.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She’s 5’6″ at most. She chooses to wear shoes with 4-5″ heels plus an inch platform.

      • perplexed says:

        I see nothing wrong with her choosing to wear 4-5″ even if she’s only 5’6″. I would. Yes, it’s a choice, and it’s a a choice I would heartily choose. Meghan Markle wears high heels too — it’s not Kate’s fault she didn’t grow to 5’6″. It’s not Kate’s fault I didn’t grow to 5’6″ either. And it’s not Kate’s fault that Tom Cruise wishes he was her height in heels.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        @ Minx

        I think you have to try to look past just her height and look at the whole picture. If I had to put her body language into words, it would be:

        “Bitch…..I’ve had my baby, now the fun is over. Step back.”

        The heels and hat were just a part of the arsenal in delivering the message.

      • Weatherby says:

        The problem is the perpetual dishonesty when it comes to Kate’s height. For reasons that I’ll never understand (though vanity is the likeliest of all), KP continues to lie about Kate’s hair extensions and her height.

        Supposedly, she is a goddess of 5′ 10″ same as her Mother in Law. But if you observe closely, she is clearly no taller than approximately 5′ 7″, yet the lies perpetuate. She wears these towering heels to underscore the lies.

        Why not just be honest about her height? The fact that she thinks we don’t notice is actually rather offensive.

      • lobbit says:

        @weatherby – The fact that KP hasn’t done anything to address our assumptions about Kate’s height and weave game is not an actual problem.

        Now, I know that St James Palace issued a statement back in the day confirming that a marking on her scalp (that many assumed was a track for hair extensions) was in fact a scar, but they didn’t say a thing about extensions–because it’s nobody’s business if she wears extensions! There is no weave conspiracy here. There’s no height conspiracy, either – unless we’re saying that all women who wear heels are living a lie.

      • perplexed says:

        If KP issued a statement about Kate’s height and hair, they’d have to issue statements about everything. And I don’t think that’s a road they’d want to go down. I think it’s one of those issues that could only be addressed in an interview like when Jennifer Aniston sits down with People magazine, but royals don’t do those interviews on how to make your hair look better with the latest hair products. Although I suppose it would be quite amusing if they did…maybe this will happen when the Queen and Charles die. Diana told us everything about herself, but I can’t picture even her answering these questions about her hair to Panaroma.

      • Weatherby says:

        These have been addressed, however. And I stand by my original comment.

        Nothing wrong with not being 5′ 10″, but trying to deceive others into believing that you are is pathetic.

      • perplexed says:

        People think Meghan Markle is 5’6″ (the Wiki has her at 1.71 m) when she’s clearly not (for whatever reason that seems to be her listed height on the internet, and if Kate is 5’6″, Markle’s height most likely can’t be 5’6″ since some are mad about Kate towering over her) and I don’t expect KP to issue a statement to clarify the truth about Meghan’s height either. It’s just not done. How do you even address it? It would have to go something like this: “Oh, by the way guys, I heard on the internet that ….but here’s the truth.” That would be weird. The royals don’t do that.

        And I don’t blame Meghan for wearing heels either to look taller. These women are in the public eye and have to deal with immense pressure about their looks. Wear all the heels you want, ladies!

      • lobbit says:

        So wearing heels is a pathetic pretense that women use to deceive the public. Guilty as charged, I guess…

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate had a hairstylist early in the marriage that admitted she used extensions and he was promptly fired. And issuing a statement to refute the use of hair extensions is pure vanity. Just as we don’t need a statement on her height, we didn’t need one about the state of her hair.

      • Erinn says:

        My goodness guys. Google any celebrity height – you’re going to see different sources giving different numbers. This is pretty much the usual. I googled ‘how tall is Kate Middleton’ and got 1.75m -> 5’8″. Under “people also searched for” It has Meghan as 1.71m -> 5’7″. But we keep hearing about how short Meghan is – how she’s so short that she can’t find pants the right length.

        So I mean – there’s just a good chance that the numbers that people find are incorrect. Whether it is because actors/models will embellish their height when sending headshots/stats or just because people are estimating and throwing it out there. Unless you’re going to take a measuring tape to them you can almost bet the number you’re given is not the correct number.

        And honestly – it doesn’t really matter that much – it would be SO weird if the palace released details on extensions/heights/waist measurement etc etc.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Kate is not an exceptionally tall woman. She wears very high heels. Fine but she is not the same height as Diana who was 5’10. Since her legs are short she probably wears the heels to compensate. Since she is rarely seen in flats it is easy to think differently.
        She’s more like 5’8 1/2. Diana wore flats and still looked tall.

      • lobbit says:

        @Nic919 – we didn’t get a statement about her hair, though. We got a statement about a weird silvery marking on her scalp that looked nothing like a weft or clip in. There was not a single mention of hair extensions in that statement.

        As far as her stylist is concerned, it sounds like he lost a good gig because he was indiscreet.

      • Nic919 says:

        We got a statement about a childhood scar exactly because people were saying they saw extensions in her hair. There was no need to comment on it period.

      • Lizabeth says:

        I don’t think Kate is 5′ 10″ but I’m not surprised we’ve never gotten official confirmation of her height. She’s not an athlete. I WAS surprised when KP made an announcement about the childhood scar years ago. It seemed pretty clear the announcement was in response to stories the mark was evidence she wears extensions. I think it’s fine if she does wear them. But it seems a little odd that despite being photographed hundreds and hundreds of times with many different hairstyles since that time, we’ve never seen the “childhood scar” again!

      • Aurelia says:

        I still don’t get minx’s argument : ……………..Again, as a tall woman I am saying—How is it her “fault” she “towered” over everyone? Is being tall a bad thing she needs to compensate for? She has to wear flats as a punishment for being tall?

        I say:
        Jeez waity chose to wear 4 inch heels with a 10 inch tall hat. You do the math. What do you mean it’s not her fault about her height?

  29. perplexed says:

    Well, we clearly saw she was standing on the balcony in a peach-like dress. She wasn’t locked away somewhere. So, I’m all “eh.”

    Harry asked her if she was “nervous” so I didn’t get the vibe she was dying to stand where everyone else is positioned. She may have liked where she was standing.

    Ultimately it was the shortest members of the family (well, the kids) that stole the show anyway.

  30. Citresse says:

    It’s interesting no one is really mentioning the absence of Philip…. where was he? He didn’t ride in the carriage with HM and no photos of him on the balcony. Andrew seemed to take a bigger place this year because Philip was absent.
    I expect Kate to be front and center… though when you see historical photos of Diana at Trooping the Colour she was never really front and center and by summer 1992 Trooping the Colour, Diana was laughing at it all, but wasn’t her book released by then?… I think by then she didn’t give a rat’s ass anymore.

    • Nic919 says:

      It was kind of sad that he didn’t show up at all. Makes you wonder how he is doing.

    • Lizabeth says:

      I hope Philip is OK too @Citresse. But even 2 months after hip surgery it still may not be comfortable to stand for long periods or do lots of stair-climbing. (Does BP have an elevator?) Getting in and out of a carriage may be a little more challenging than a car too and I doubt he’d want to be seen needing help. Still, his absence from this sort of event is concerning even though he’s retired.

      You make a good point about Diana. She was the PoW but even early on wasn’t always planted front and center. Sometimes she was next to Fergie. And the Queen Mother was often in the front. Seems like the “pecking order” wasn’t emphasized in balcony photos in those days.

    • notasugarhere says:

      He’s retired, and that means for events like this too apparently. This was Andrew’s first year riding in this, which is why I think HM was keeping him close and celebrating him.

  31. Who ARE these people? says:

    What’s to be nervous about in an event like this?they simply have to stand and wave, not speak or ask questions or walk about. They’re in a contained space at home and the crowds can’t reach them. It’s good theatre for the masses but the players don’t have to act. I see it as lower stress than, say, a big party, a diplomatic dinner or a major public interaction or speech.

  32. AV says:

    I’ll defend Meghan’s puppy eyes by confessing that that’s how I always look at my partner, and vice versa. We have been together for several years but I absolutely adore him and sometimes can’t take my eyes off of him. I catch him staring at me with some frequency. It’s probably annoying to people (I can’t stand PDA, so the glad eye has to do), but we can’t help it. We are just goofy for one another. I think Meghan is naturally pantomimic and a bit theatrical by nature, so everything she does is a bit exaggerated. It can be off putting, but I can sympathize since I get quite clownish and make people laugh in order to diffuse my own anxiety and nervousness. All I will say is that I think I would run, immediately, as fast as I could in the other direction if I walked into my blind date and saw a high-profile person. For someone who has worked hard to be able to handle this level of “success,” I’d give her a solid B+.

    • Erinn says:

      I think the issue is that we’re seeing it in a photo. I know I’m guilty of it too. But it’s not usually a still moment of time if people are seeing it so it just looks less obvious in a way, I guess? I mean, it’s nice to think they still look at each other with admiration and all – but when I saw the photo I admit that I was like “wow, exaggerate much?”

      I also take for granted that I’ve been in the same relationship since we were 9th graders. So I mean – everyone at that age is looking at each other with over the top looks because that’s the nature of 14 year olds getting their first taste of ‘the best most fantastic love’. That said – my husband works as a plumber. He got called out to a job at the office I work at. I got a text saying “I’m at the office” and I IMMEDIATELY perked right up. I was having a bad day, and I genuinely got excited to see him even though I had only left for work a couple of hours before. And anytime I’ve heard his voice when I’m not expecting it I get a little bit foolishly excited.

      So honestly – I’m sure I look like a tool sometimes. The difference is I don’t see photo proof of it ahaha. We’re also looking at her standing next to some relatively emotionally reserved people which probably makes it look more over the top.

  33. Digital Unicorn says:

    I think for balcony appearances there is a loose pecking order, close family in the middle and cousins etc.. further along.

    Harry seems to prefer to hang out at the back near the door.

    • Kloops says:

      This. Of course it’s this.

    • Carey says:

      Yes, I agree there is probably a loose pecking order. If it was strictly enforced then Camilla should have taken the front spot instead of Kate. I tend to give Kate the benefit of the doubt here and assume she was put at the front to keep an eye on G&C.
      I hope Meghan eases up on gazing adoringly at Harry once the newly-wed glow wears up. I can’t help comparing it to images of Nancy Reagan gazing at Ronnie (sorry, to all the Meghan fans x)

  34. perplexed says:

    I figured Meghan wanted to stand next to her husband, especially since they’re newly married.

    But it’s not clear to me whether Harry would actually want to stand out near front. If he did, then I think Meghan would naturally just stand next to him.

  35. Lela says:

    Agree also

  36. whatever says:

    Charlotte falling from her stool proved the point that Kate needed to be their to look after her kids. Kate managed to catch her before Charlotte hit the floor but if you look at the video Charles, Harry and William barley flinched. If left in the care of those 3 guys Charlotte would have hit the floor like a sack of potatoes.

    • homeslice says:

      You know I didn’t see the whole video, so I didn’t know if I missed much, but Charles not offering even a little pat on the back to poor Char was messed up. He was right next to her for goodness sake. What a strange family.

      • A says:

        @homeslice, I hope for your sake you don’t meet my family then! We’re not touchy feely people, but I’ll be sure to let my grandparents know just how strange and uncaring they were growing up. 😉

      • Erinn says:

        A – my grandfather was like that. Nan will get up in your business and poke at you to make a point ahha. But gramp wasn’t a hugger or anything. We got a pat on the back sometimes, sometimes we’d steal a hug, but he grew up in a household that kind of left him to his own devices as a kid, and just never showed a lot of affection. Cared deeply about people, but never was touchy feely. Never for a moment did I feel unloved. Also helps that I’m not someone who likes to be hugged often or clung to.

      • A says:

        @Erinn, you know, it’s funny. My family just never thinks of things like that. You’d probably get a hug if you asked for one, and if you’re a hugging sort, all the more power to you. But it’s like…it doesn’t get more meaning than that, so it’s weird to see ppl use physical touch as something that either proves or disproves how much someone cares.

        My grandpa doesn’t really hug, but he cracks jokes and makes bad puns. He’s kind, and I’m sure Charles is kind towards his grandchildren in his own way. We’ll never really be privy to much more than that at the moment.

      • PrincessK says:

        Charlotte probably doesn’t know who Charles is.

    • lobbit says:

      That’s not what I saw. Kate was directly in front of Charlotte. She stumbled backward and her mom caught her immediately. The others glanced as it happened but carried on…because really, what would they do? She stumbled. She was fine.

      • whatever says:

        Not even a look of concern for Charles or Harry.

      • lobbit says:

        OK, I’m looking at the video right now. 1. There are at least two people standing in front of Harry, so he doesn’t even see Charlotte. All he can see is Kate bending forward to tend to Charlotte.
        2. Wills didn’t see it either – he was looking back toward his brother and father, but when he sees Kate lean forward to tend to Charlotte, he isn’t too concerned about it. Charles sees it too, as does the Queen and Prince Andrew. But none of them are concerned. Because really, there’s no reason to be? She stumbled backward. She didn’t actually fall down. She didn’t hit her face or anything.

      • Nic919 says:

        If we are going to comment on Charles not hugging her then why not her own father William? He was even closer to see what happened. But yes I agree Charlotte stumbled off the stool and then had a delayed reaction cry and Kate dealt with it. It wasn’t a major thing.

  37. Cee says:

    I don’t know how the positioning was decided but it doesn’t look like the Royal “pecking” order was in place. TQ was flanked by Charles and Andrew. Camilla, the future QC, was in the back with Harry and Meghan. Peter Phillips was right next to William at some point.

    Maybe the Queen wanted to be flanked by her Heir, and her favourite child, had to keep William front and center, and that implies Kate too, and those with small children got to be at the front, minding them. Whenever Harry and Meghan have a child, they will be front and center, too.

    • Melinda says:

      Actually, no they won’t ever be in front. The blood princesses aren’t in front and Harry will only continue to lessen in importance

      • Cee says:

        Harry will be the Monarch’s son. Once Charles is King, the RF will consist of Camilla; William, Kate and their children, and Harry, Meghan and their children. It has nothing to do with being a blood princess. If it did, then Harry would have been right next to Andrew, as one of the most senior blood princes in the RF.

  38. Suzanne says:

    The whole being on a balcony looking down at people is a problem in itself.

    • homeslice says:

      Right? I mean I love the gossip, don’t get me wrong. But all of this is bizarre in 2018…

    • Nic919 says:

      Definitely. It’s amazing how they aren’t facing more criticism considering how many of these “royals” were all together showing just how many people are benefitting from this archaic system. With all the austerity measures being applied, more pressure should be put on the Queen and BRF to retrench.

    • Sid says:

      I feel like they get away with it because enough people still have strong regard for Queen Elizabeth and allow for the fact that she is of another era where this sort of thing was more acceptable. When it’s Charles’s turn they might still sort of get away with it. But by the time it’s William’s turn? I don’t know if 30 years from now, Brits who are William’s age or younger will still be willing to play into this sort of thing the way their parents and grandparents are/ were. Not to say the royals won’t exist, but likely not in this manner.

    • Addie says:

      It is sad that people are so brainwashed as to not realise how wrong it is for one family to stand over others. That is the real concern here.

  39. Ally says:

    I think it was pecking order, but actually taking into account Harry and Meghan. Will and Kate are future king and queen, so they get front row. Also, once the kids arrived, Kate was holding on to Charlotte’s dress in every photo. If someone put my 3 year old on a stool on a balcony, I would be terrified and hold onto them the whole time.
    As someone else said, everyone loves kid photos.
    If Harry and Meghan were in the front row, they would have been further to the side. As it was, it was super easy for publications to get the tight shot of the “main” royal family standing all together. (Notice how few pictures there are of Andrew’s side of the balcony, and the other royals whose names I don’t care to know.) There also seems to be a fair amount of room between Camilla and Kate pre-kid arrival. If Camilla wanted to, she could have easily stood in the front. I don’t think Camilla gives a damn,

    • A says:

      Or, how about children get the front row because they’re short and can’t see very well from behind a giant crowd of adults who are several times taller than they are. And wherever the children go, parents will go.

      The only pecking order that exists is the Queen gets the front and center, considering it’s a belated celebration of her birthday.

      • Ally says:

        Honestly, I don’t know how these things are formally decided, but it seems to me that this family lives and dies by their order and ranking and relationship with the public and press. So an event like this would be staged to reinforce where everyone is in the family, and also make a great photo-op. I can’t imagine they would leave this opportunity to chance.

      • A says:

        @Ally, have you ever planned a group event with more than five people present? Do tell me just how exactly the royal family would stage an event like this one, where there are quite literally 50+ of them there, including children who are notoriously unpredictable, as we just literally saw in the pictures right now. And how would that group e-mail go anyway? “Ah yes, you, you’re close to me, so you can stand here, but since you and I haven’t spoken in a few months, you get the shadowy corner, sorry.” This is hardly King Lear.

        The only rule is this: Queen is front and center. Philip is beside her, if he is in attendance. Families congregate together. Children are in the front row because they can’t see from behind a crowd of adults.

        There are plenty of ways the RF reinforces where everyone is in the family, with much more minute control. It’s not extraordinary to assume that Trooping the Colour is just what it is.

    • PrincessK says:

      When Charles is King the balcony will be thinned out, there were far too many people on the balcony looking for five minutes of fame, the Kent grand children for instance.

  40. Sage says:

    If the they were following a pecking order, Camilla would be front and centre flanked by Kate and Meghan. People or Majesty should have stated, everyone stood wherever they wanted. End the convo.

    Meghan looks like she is taking it all in. She didn’t look nervous..

    • Melinda says:

      Why on earth would Meghan be in front? That’s not how they do it. Harry is always second row and will remain so. Camilla and Catherine are future Queen Consort, while Meghan is married to a man who is currently 6th in line and falling. She will never be equal to the other women. She better get used to it

  41. Turquy says:

    I guess I’m reading the scene differently. I think Megan looks passive aggressive and is unhappy that she is not front and center.

  42. Bitsy says:

    More fake news….Kate will stand wherever William stands, period. Megan will stand where Harry stands, period. The two brothers will stand where granny tells them to stand, period. The idea that they all rush out to the balcony trying to get to 1st place like Kindergarteners is entertaining and hilarious but so obviously fanfic.

  43. Maria says:

    Here is more nit picking: Harry looked visibly annoyed when Kate picked up Charlotte who was crying. I guess she was obstructing his view. And William looked like he was going to lose it when George talked during God Save The Queen and Savannah was pretending to direct an orchestra.
    But all this is great fun compared to the antics of Donald Trump and his gang. That man is seriously deranged.

    • -- says:

      i thought about where the princess of Sweden? I think…was full on rolling around on the ground in a dress legs in the air….just front and center…at her baby sisters christening. Her mother had the baby and could only give the most hilarious look….the dad didn’t know what to do.

      • Maria says:

        Lenore certainly is entertaining. She has done it before at christenings. She is only four, but rolling around on the floor and flashing in front of the congregation was a bit OTT, in my opinion. But it was a long service.

      • A says:

        Yes, how OTT for a bunch of children who are acting like children do during an hours long church service which they barely understand to begin with.

        I think children are going to do what children are going to do, and parents are going to be embarrassed by it because they’re parents. It’s a part and parcel of human life, and for a group of people like the BRF who get the most complaints about how they’re “stiff” and “unfeeling” I would have assumed that a bit of emotion wouldn’t have been unwelcome.

      • MAF says:

        I saw a small video clip and the look Princess Madeline gave her daughter! You could tell she wanted to say something or go grab her but couldn’t.

      • Cee says:

        Leonore has a lot of spunk and she is a trailblazer. She’s always rolling around, climbing things, etc. Nicolas is more subdued.

        When one of the Netherlands Princesses was being christened, either Alexia or Arianne, the ducht royal cousins had a blast, at one point lifting the reverend’s religious skirt and having a look LOL

    • Aurelia says:

      Willie used to pull worse shizz back in his day. Troof !

  44. Ashley says:

    Some of you people on here sound like the nuts on tumblr and Twitter,truly pathetic. Megan making eyes at her husband is a problem? So absurd! There are pictures of megan and harry laughing and having a good time,let the lady live,she’s doing great.

  45. Betty says:

    I do think Meghan was annoyed at being in the back. All dressed up and hard to see! And I realize it is perspective since Meghan and Harry are behind Kate, but she looks TINY behind Kate – like she comes up to her shoulder. For someone as image conscious as Meghan – and even her stans should acknowledge that she is – that would annoy her. Short, shoved to the back.
    Welcome to your life, Duchess “Ariel” Meghan.

    • Guest says:

      How can she be looking annoyed when shes supposed to puppy dog eyed and acting in love with her husband, who is now miserable and angry because his wife did a sexy photoshoot many yrs ago that is now being used as evidence against his regal elegant true queen in waiting sister in law? 😳

  46. Andrea says:

    I have heard many people say the looks Meghan gives Harry are actress and not genuine…like the cat who got the cream. Are they looking wayyy into this or is there something to it?

    • A says:

      How do you think one looks at someone like they’re the cat that got the cream? Inquiring minds would love to know.

    • Guest says:

      Lol, people have said meghans a bad actress, then they said shes acting when she looks at her husband with love in her eyes. They said shes acting when she does charity. They said her husband is more in love then she is. Then he looks miserable. Then meghan is such a good actress, but at the same time says she looks over it. I can go on but the back and forth of the their excuses will take up a whole page.

      Oh now don’t forget peoples “concern” over Zika virus and meghan. 🙄

  47. A says:

    I hate to say this, but…when the Queen is no longer with us, I imagine Charles is going to have a lot more room on that balcony. Meghan will probably be right next to him, but front and center with Kate on the other side of him. I wonder if people expect Kate to jump in front of Meghan randomly and wave her hands so that she can grab the attention all for herself?

    • Natalie S says:

      That would be hilarious if she did that. If Kate went full-on petty, I wouldn’t approve but I’d be a fan.

      Trip her when heading somewhere etc., it would make royal watching so much more entertaining.

    • Elisa says:

      hahahaha, I’m here for it!

    • Reece says:

      I’d put that video on loop! lol

    • Violet says:

      When the Queen is no longer with us, I’m guessing that no one will give a flying patoot who is where on the balcony, because the BRF is going to lose so much dignity, class, and timelessness that if they survive another generation, I’ll be surprised.

      • SJhere says:

        Violet, I agree with you. I also think when Liz is gone it’s gonna be a whole new ballgame. Charles is gonna have a tough time keeping the BRF in jobs, I think.
        Andrew really gets on my nerves! That Royal do nothing. He is really a walking reason to downsize the payroll at The Firm. The entitlement rolls of him.

        Not sure how Andrew has gotten away with some of his behaviour.
        He truly must be TQ favorite child.

      • A says:

        People have said that from the time Queen Victoria ascended the throne. The BRF has never really had much dignity, class, or timelessness. They’ve always been awash with scandal and disgrace, as has every other royal family that has ever bothered to reign, anywhere else in the world.

        At any rate, the BRF, classy or not, fulfill a relevant, constitutional position from a legal perspective. If they were given the boot, I would imagine that the UK would have to confer with the sixteen nation-states of which the monarch is head of state. That consultation process, as well as the resulting legal overhaul of the British constitution (as well as those of the other sixteen countries), will likely take a long time to finalize and complete. As a Canadian, I say that the British are entirely welcome to give the RF the boot, if they so choose, but just know that there will be a serious amount of legal issues in Canada as a result of that decision, to put it mildly.

    • Melinda says:

      Meghan will NEVER be front and center ffs! She is too far down in the pecking order and as the Cambridge children grow up she will continue to be less relevant. If she is not in all likelihood divorced by then

  48. Reece says:

    *raises eyebrow* Wouldn’t pecking order have Camilla front and center?
    People needs some new “sources”. *eye roll*

    • A says:

      You can’t tell, but Kate magically put Camilla in invisible leg irons that have her shackled to that exact spot so that she can’t come forward and take her rightful place in the pecking order. Meghan is standing guard to make sure that Camilla doesn’t get out of her constraints somehow. Charles is in on it.

  49. Guest says:

    So in the span of this board we went from meghan and her over the top in love puppy dogs eyes to harry and meghan looked tense and miserable. 🙃

    • Nic919 says:

      Meghan’s face can demonstrate a great range of emotion in a short period of time. It’s her amazing acting skills that allow her to do that. 😁

  50. Brittany says:

    Meghan was happy to NOT be the center of attention?

    Yeah, sure…. lol

    • Aes says:

      Meghan was part of an ensemble team on Suites and she seems to have had good working relationships with her co-stars, male & female.

      She strikes me as a team player.

  51. Skylark says:

    So… what I’ve learned from this thread:

    Meghan’s (apparently) using her actressy puppydog eyes for effect, probably to get back at Kate who, while (apparently) using her heels and hats as passive-aggressive weapons to ‘make Meghan look small and insignificant’, can’t compete with the puppydog eyes which render Harry powerless, since William never ever makes puppydog eyes at Kate. Kate has the weapon of height, Meghan knows, but Meghan has the weapon of puppydog eyes in which Harry powerlessly drowns, while she purrs like the cat that’s got the cream.

    I think that’s it. Kate and Meghan are in a Heels&hats V Puppydog Eyes fight to the death.

    • Maria says:

      nailed it, Skylark!👍

    • whatever says:

      A wonderful summary of this thread @Skylark lol. 🙂

    • gm says:

      Skylark, please do this for the latest royal story in DM. Savannah versus George (apparently there was pushing at polo in addition to the shenanigans on the balcony). Future king vs untitled cousin. Girl vs boy. Conducting vs talking during GSTQ. Blonde vs blonder?

  52. Feeshalori says:

    I can’t with this thread. We need Liberty to sum it all up with a good story about the antics of the Real Housewives of Windsor.

    • Nic919 says:

      Yes we need liberty to really tell us what happened here!

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’m awaiting her imagined conversation during the overnight trip on the royal train between HM and Meghan, along with patter from tomorrow’s engagements together.

  53. themummy says:

    I find everyone’s comment about Meghan’s “puppy dog eyes” a little surprising. Maybe that is just her eyes? I don’t think she’s putting on a show for anyone. She doesn’t need to. I think she’s in love with her husband and that’s just how her eyes look when she is happy and in love. She looks very comfortable with him and just happy and in love. People read way too much into stuff.

  54. SJhere says:

    Dear Celebitchy friends,
    I would like to suggest watching The Windors available on Netflix streaming in USA.
    A very funny comedy about BRF. Honestly laughed out loud a lot and binged watched.
    The actors playing Camilla and William are perfectly cast.

  55. JRenee says:

    Newlyweds with puppy eyes, not rare. Good grief, if she wasn’t looking loved up, folks would say she wasn’t looking loving enough. Sheesh!

  56. Em says:

    Kate wasn’t watching the pecking order, if she was Camilla would have been front and centre with the Queen. Kate was obviously wearing the highest heels she could find as well as the tallest hat. Hardly a subtle ‘I’m the one you really came to see….most glamerous person here’ , towering over the Queen, Camilla and Charles. Kate is no clueless cup cake she has been at it long enough to know how to upstage them all……… she did not fail.

    BTW, on occasions like this everyone knows what colour everyone else is wearing beforehand and they usually all chose different colours or go with shades of the same basic colour to show unity. Meghan must have been left out of that discussion.

  57. Carolind says:

    I don’t think Kate came out of Saturday’s show well. When the whole family went on to the balcony she and William went out directly behind the Queen, ahead of Charles and Camilla. Even without a pecking order this was bad manners. They should have deferred to an older couple. Kate was like a giantess on Saturday. She could have worn a smaller hat if she knew she had to be upfront or, if not, moved out of the way a bit. She was definitely chattier to Charles and Camilla than what she is normally. Lately I have been noticing she cuts them dead but not on Saturday. Hey though if they are talking to her they cannot be talking to Meghan. For years Kate has been the only young woman of note in the BRF. It was Kate, William and Harry. Not any more though. She is competitive. Of course, she is jealous of Meghan. As for the royal males comforting Charlotte, HM would not like this. She ticked off William on the balcony a couple of years ago when he knelt to George’s level. I thought Charles was very chatty on Saturday, especially to Harry. The Cambridges are really not going to like the competition from another young family, especially if it is the future king giving the attention but all their own fault for only bothering with the Middletons.

  58. britt mezher says:

    Curtsy. Not Courtsy.

    I think Meghan is doing fine, this is all very new for her, she’ll be nervous and excited but wary of where she is meant to be standing and of all the different protocols with these events. She’ll eventually find her way, just as Kate has.

  59. nikki says:

    She’s the future queen. She stands in front. That’s all. It’s just protocol.

    • Carolind says:

      Kate was only deferring to the Queen. She is not in line to the throne herself and in any pecking order behind Charles and Camilla whom she did not defer to on Saturday. Kate is bad mannered.

      She is NOT a future Queen but a future Queen Consort and is only in line for that if she stays married to William. Her royal future is dependent on William.

  60. Carolind says:

    RoyalTessa
    I would love to see those pictures of Kate being “sweet” to Charles and Camilla because up until last Saturday I have not seen her acknowledge them at any royal event since the first days of her marriage.

    I have seen Camilla make remarks to her in royal coaches etc but Kate does not take her on. In previous years on the balcony after TTC she has not spoken to them even though they have tried to make eye contact.

    I would actually like to be proved wrong on this.

    I liked Kate in the early years and I loathe it when people pick her up on how she looks and dresses – as I also do with Meghan – but I don’t think she and William do enough. I know there is an excuse for Kate now with three young children but until she and William are prepared to do more they should not be accepting the privileges of being royal, i.e. they should not be in KP for one thing but private housing.

  61. Addison says:

    Rolls eyes… There has always been an order to how royal families all over the world stand, sit, walk. This is not a new thing and that is not going to change. The Queen, is obviously always first followed by her husband, Charles, Camilla, William, Kate, Harry, Meghan, Andrew and his kids. If Charles is not an an event, then Camilla loses her place as she is without her spouse. As far as the kids being in front. Well Duh, kids are kids they are small people and need to see.

  62. Carolind says:

    If there was a pecking order how come William and Kate went straight on to the balcony behind the Queen, ahead of Charles and Camilla? How many people on here actually saw TTC as opposed to just making comments which don’t fit the reality?