The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge spent the first half of their day in Lahore, in the same low-key clothes they wore at their arrival – Kate wore a very cute shalwar kameez in cream – and then they changed for the next part of their day in Lahore. They went to the Badshahi Mosque, one of the most photographed sites in Lahore. Kate went conservative, traditional and respectful with her green Maheen Khan shalwar kameez, with matching headscarf. Kate must have pulled back her hair into a low bun or low pony (I think it was a chignon, for what it’s worth) and made sure that there were no fly-away strands of hair, and that the back of her hair was covered too. She should get credit for this, for choosing the conservative and respectful path while visiting a mosque. Also: of course Diana visited this mosque too. So did Charles!
Regarding Kate’s conservative head covering… considering the British reporters are always itching to latch onto any criticism about the Duchess of Sussex, I’m still a little bit surprised at how few people criticized Meghan for half-assing her head-covering at a South African mosque several weeks back. You can make the argument that South Africa is less conservative than Pakistan – and thus, South African Muslims are less conservative – so Meghan doing the minimum with her head scarf was fine. That was basically what people went with – “oh, she threw on a scarf and left half her hair hanging out, it’s fine.” I just… wonder if that would have been the same reaction had Kate done the same. Sometimes, the criticism does go both ways.
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Gorgeous color, seems very respectful.
Agreed. She looks great. Love blues and greens. Also, I would have had the same opinion I had for Meghan if Kate, Taylor Swift, or any other woman had opted to only partially cover her hair. It’s fine. There’s more than one way to show respect.
I also thought she looked respectful inside the mosque. The way she lowered her head when the recital was going on, then you could see she was trying to cover her feet properly with her clothes. We don’t need to do that, so it was a nice gesture.
I’m a little biased because teal is my favorite color, but this is stunning.
Me too, Enn!
I’m just amazed at how good she has looked this trip.
She’s looked stunning this entire trip.
Fashion wise, Kate is knocking it out of the ballpark on this Royal Tour. I am impressed by how good she looks.
Absolutely. I really think this is the best I have seen her look, ever. The colour, style and the fit of each outfit has been perfect. I think she worked hard on preparing for this trip and it has paid off.
Has anyone heard her speech in full? I love that she spoke Urdu. That has got to have been nerve wracking for her, but she went for it because it is not about her. Good show all round.
Agreed ladies. She is stepping it up on this tour.
It’s not about her. What? Where did that come from?
It’s not like anyone expected her to speak flawless Urdu. It’s a sweet and polite gesture on her part but she didn’t deal with any kind of big risk because she attempted a few words in Urdu.
@Silas – in saying it is not about her, I meant that moments like that are about the issues and it is important to be willing to come out of her comfort zone – which she clearly is. I can see what you mean though re no big risk having been taken. I am just not aware of her ever having done anything like that before. Perhaps I am falling into the trap of applauding someone for doing the basics simply because they never bothered doing even that in the past…
Totally agree.
Yep, she is killin’ it on this trip. Other than the brown skirt/vest look, everything has been beautiful.
Completely agreed. She looks amazing, fresh & happy
She looks really lovely.
I’m Indonesian Muslim and I wear hijab. I want that headscarf so bad! I really love Kate’s outfits in this tour. To me they’re the best in her 8 years of duchessing.
She does look beautiful in all of the outfits. They have certainly done their homework – Kate and her stylist team.
Diana had a scarf in her head that covered only the very back. If Meghan is going to be criticised, so should Diana. If Kate didn’t tie back her hair here, it wouldn’t have looked a lot different than Meghan. Several Muslim women came on here to say that it’s a non-issue and gave reasons as to why. Perhaps, as theirs is the religious and cultural practice she was respecting, they should be the ones discussing and deciding whether it was appropriate.
I think both women are fine. Context is everything.
I agree Just commented the same thing.
Agree. Context is everything. Pakistan much more conservative, and Kate is more formal in general. Kate looks really nice in this color and it’s a cute outfit. She’ll get praised for looking lovely and saying a few words. That’s all she needs to do.
there is not always consensus in the Muslim community which numbers at 1.5 billion or more ! people discuss and argue what is halal and haram
I agree with this. I found the commentary from the actual Muslim folks to be very enlightening!
Also, Meghan was NOT at a MOSQUE. So that crit is a bit of a stretch in any case.
Kate looks lovely. Considering that’s 95% of her job, she’s doing great.
Beautiful color combination, appropriate outfit.
She looks lovely here.
Something I’ve noticed on this tour is that she seems comfortable and confident. She doesn’t look like she is playing dress up, and she definitely can give off that vibe at times. I dont know what it is (I know that sounds like I’m part of the embiggening Kate movement, which we all know I’m not, LOL) – but she looks more comfortable here than she does in her coat dresses and high heels at home.
I agree. And lord knows I’m not interested in embiggening anyone. I love Meghan and Harry. I think Meghan has been class personified in the face of the vile stuff thrown at her. And we Brits have been disgraced by our bottom dwelling tabloids re that whole debacle. But it is possible to love Meghan at the same time giving Kate credit where it is due.
She really does look like she’s enjoying herself. William, however, looks constipated as always, especially when she’s talking. He has zero poker face.
Someone mentioned before that she seems to do better when she’s with children and the regular people, like the throngs of average people who come out to wave and give bouquets. I think she does especially well with the average people on foreign tours because she’s generally being universally feted and adored and they’re so happy to see her. Plus she doesn’t speak the same language that they do so she doesn’t have to talk. She seriously just has to stand there and soak up the cheering. She doesn’t have to do much besides look beautiful in her clothes, smile, and have her picture taken. She’s an honored guest in these countries so everyone is going to try extra hard to make sure she’s surrounded by people who are thrilled to see her.
My general theory is that she feels like she’s not a “real Duchess,” like she won a contest she wasn’t qualified to even enter, and now she’s trying very hard to play the part. Not learn the part, but pretend to play the part. She focuses a lot on looking like she’s doing it all correctly: wearing “Princess” clothes (based off of what Diana and the queen have worn), smiling really big in photos so that she appears to be connecting emotionally, making hand gestures and posing so that she looks like she’s engaged and having important conversations with her patronages. I think she doesn’t do so well when she’s in the U.K. talking to the people who run the charities that she’s a patron of because she doesn’t have a lot of creative ideas about how to help them and she doesn’t have a lot of knowledge about the various charities. That’s usually when she’s looking her most manic and like she’s pretending.
Wow. If you are right – and I must say, your assessment does not sound entirely bonkers to me – she needs to really work on getting help connecting more with people. I get that public figures can’t let the general public in too much for the sake of their mental and emotional well being, but no one should be as disengaged as the picture you paint above should they?
This is weird.
That is a great theory except for the patronage part. She *chooses* not to do the work to learn about the patronages. That is an active choice she is making.
I think she has done really well this trip. She looks great! I mean, we can all agree the bar is significantly lower for her but it is still nice to see her making some efforts.
Actually, AmyToo, I kind of see what you are saying. Kate may do really well on these types of tours because the bar IS set low (she has to dress well, which she can do, and she has to be polite and appear interested) and there is no afterwork. She doesn’t have to follow through on anything. She can do this tour, and look great doing it, and get lots of photo ops (and I freely admit there are some really gorgeous photos coming out of this tour), bring positive attention to Pakistan and highlight Pakistani culture, etc. She’s not going to be expected to do anything else with these issues next week.
So maybe, because of that, she is more relaxed and having a better time, and it shows? Coupled that with the fact that she is wearing clothes that look great on her and that must be comfortable to wear – and she is just coming off so much better?
Sunny, I agree with you. She doesn’t have a lot of ideas and knowledge about her patronages and charities because she doesn’t care enough to do the work. Or she’s too lazy. Maybe she really is just vapid. But she wants to LOOK like she’s contributing and connecting so she spends most of her time at these events being very aware of the cameras and worrying about how she’s going to look in the photos, but she doesn’t actually work hard enough to just learn the thing or do the thing.
Ditto to everything you said, @Becks1 and Amy Too.
It’s almost like wearing clothes of another culture has allowed her to step out of her British “Princess” character. It’s so ironic she looks so at-ease and comfortable in this clothing when most of us would look slightly ridiculous in another culture’s clothing. Of course, that’s partly a testament to how beautiful these clothes are…
RE: Sussex – different women interpret and act on modesty rules differently. If Megan wanted to do the minimum and not make it some big outfit, she may have had her reasons. When I visited mosques in Turkey, I flipped up the hood of my hoodie and tucked my hair back. I certainly wasn’t the only one to do so, and not even the only tourist.
I wish shalwar kameez were standard dress for women everywhere. They looks so comfortable and flattering and pretty.
Hear hear!
I agree!
+100! I love it
I wish they were flattering on every one but I am a Hindu and wear them for religious events. I bought 3 for Diwali next week. My mother has had to rip them apart and restitch them and I still look dumpy as hell. Unfortunately like most things they look best on tall, slim woman. Credit to Kate for looking so fantastic in them.
I was just thinking there’s no way I’d look not-frumpy wearing one. A hint under 5’2″, wide hips and a larger bust … I’d look like I was being eaten by fabric.
I agree. They are so comfortable, practical and beautiful to wear and suit all shapes and sizes.
She looks absolutely beautiful and regal. She knocked it out of the park.
Lol all this tour has been about has been what late wears. Guess that sums it all up. 🤷♀️
@Guest
Pakistanis seem to disagree at least the ones on this blog and some social media sites.
Maybe you could do a bit of your own research into the charities and causes they are promoting?
As far as I can tell this tour is just supposed to be promoting Pakistan in general for tourism and cultural purposes so I guess it just being mostly fashion and PR is to be expected.
Thank you Maria, that is exactly correct. And from so many comments on this blog alone you can see that people are seeing a new side of Pakistan and discovering Pakistani fashion as well which is lovely to see.
Simply go to their IG account and you will see all the causes / charities they are visiting and supporting on this tour. CB is focussing on the fashion and I’m totally here for it because I love to comment on fashion and Kate’s outfits are fab!
If you search the blog HRH Duchess Kate, that blogger does an excellent job of covering Kate’s events; as well as fashion, the blog covers details of what the event was all about. The same blogger runs Mad About Meghan which does the same for all things Meghan. It’s a totally snark free, well run blog.
I haven’t really followed that one; I used to love What Kate Wore and then What Meghan Wore, but I stopped bc I felt like they let a LOT of racist, um, “snark” aimed at Meghan slide by (meaning, the posters were trying to be snarky, but they were really just racist.) But comments aside, those sites do a good job detailing the particulars of an event before the fashion.
That said, I think Celebitchy and Kaiser do a good job of covering Kate’s events. They may be less specific than a Kate-devoted site (which makes sense, because they cover so much), but there are usually lots of links etc in a post so that if someone wants to find out more, they can.
I do think if you have a lot of royal followers saying “what was the point of this tour” it shouldn’t be dismissed as “look at their Instagram stories!!!!!!!” I think this tour is doing a good job of highlighting Pakistani culture, landmarks, etc. I don’t think its doing a good job of highlighting specific issues in Pakistan. And that is okay – not every tour has to be every thing (I think the Sussex SA tour was the opposite, did a great job highlighting issues, didn’t highlight South Africa in terms of tourism etc). But people need to stop acting like the questions of “soooo…….this tour?” are from people who are just ignorant.
Those blogs are good but they are primarily business concerns promoting clothing worn by the two women, so they make money.
I thought Meghan’s head covering was an little half assed but people who practiced that religion and were from that area were fine with it so I’m going to stay in my lane and assume they are right, also I dont think that Meg would intentionally do anything like that, she clearly thought out a lot of her trip.
I love all of Kate’s looks so far. Shes seems very confident in them too! It’s all very respectful, colorful, way more interesting than we usually see her in. With her hair out of the way we see a lot more of her face which looks less stressed I think partly because her under eye makeup isnt as heavy, all in all she looks good!
Meghan’s headscarf was fine. Before I wear hijab regularly I went to the mosque without headscarf and nobody criticise me, and I went to the mosque for praying at least twice a day (Dzuhur/noon and afternoon/ashar).
I think both Meghan and Kate chose to wear hijab to respect the place they visited and I believe South African and Pakistani Muslims appreciate that.
Yeah I’ll stay in my own lane here too,because I honestly don’t know the appropriate reasons/places/times for covering the hair completely vs allowing hair to flow loosely beneath a head covering,but I appreciate @Kaiser mentioning how we were mostly favorable with Meghan (thanks to comments from some who were knowledgeable),but I wander if we would have been so easy on Kate in the same situation.
Either way Kate looks lovely in this ensemble.
I going to stay in my lane also and take the word of the Muslim people on this site who said Meghan’s scarf was fine(in terms of respect for the Mosque) but fashion wise I feel like Meghan’s outfit came out looking like just an afterthought. Sort of like “let me just throw is scarf on before I go in” as oppose to Kate who seem to have put a lot of intention and planning behind her outfit and the end result came out much much better in my opinion. And I agree with Kaiser, Meg get more leniency here because we like her.
@Wow, I do want to point out that a lot of this is because fashion is simply different in places like South Africa and Pakistan. Muslim fashion is no different. People having different takes on the requirement for modesty is not necessarily because some people care less about their appearance looking put together. It just speaks to different tastes, that’s all.
In this case, Kate has been at an advantage. There is plenty of indigenous Pakistani fashion that is inherently conducive to fulfilling this requirement in a way that’s tasteful and put together. Of course Kate is going to look much more cohesive in a salwaar kameez. A salwaar kameez comes with a matching scarf that people often use for this exact purpose.
That is true about shalwar kameez A, but in Kuala Lumpur Kate wore a matching scarf with a dress and had her hair pulled back. I agree with the comment that Meghan’s mosque attire seemed haphazard. Just having her hair pulled back and wearing a scarf matching with the dress would have made a big difference.
@Geane, I personally don’t think that matching your dress to your head scarf necessarily means you took any more effort, but that’s just me. I do remember that Kate was criticized during that tour for wearing a dress that only came up to her knees, in a mosque. So like I said–the local context and expectations wrt fashion matter. I don’t think Pakistanis would have minded if Kate had done the same as she did in Kuala Lumpur. But Malaysian Muslims clearly had a different opinion of what counted as “effort” in their eyes, even though it struck you as perfectly adequate, if not above expectations. And South African Muslims had their own opinions on the subject regarding Meghan. I have Iranian friends who don’t think anyone needed to wear a head scarf in any situation at all. And I have a friend who grew up in the UAE who thinks even the salwaar isn’t enough. What people expect and think is sufficient varies on this subject across the world, clearly, so whose opinion do you, personally, think we should go with?
Ok, I wasn’t going to speculate about why Megan chose the simpler scarf to cover-up with…but…is it possible she preferred not to “appropriate” dress from another culture in SA? As a woman of color, maybe she is very sensitive to this, so she chose a more minimal head-covering that felt more natural to how she already dresses, and was more reflective of the local SA Muslim culture.
Kate looks lovely in this Pakastani clothing. It’s very natural, and an opportunity for her to showcase some Pakastani designers and culture. But Muslims are only like 2% of the SA population, so if Megan wanted to wear something elaborate like Kate’s outfit, would it even have reflected what Muslims in SA wear? Or would it have felt more like cosplay and out of place?
As a Muslim I thought it was fine. Just like Kate’s is fine and yea I do think in this instance non-Muslims should stay in their lane on this. Both women were respectful and that’s the whole point.
@ VV…I agree on the respectability part, I just think fashion wise Kate came out looking more polished, the pulled back hair made a huge difference, the whole outfit looks beautiful. JMO
I agree that technically it is enough that Meghan covered her head out of respect. However, I also agree with Kaiser that it looked half-assed and like she had thrown on a scarf at the last minute. From a purely aesthetic perspective it didn’t look put together and like it or not, what the royals wear on these tours and how much thought they put into it does matter.
As several South African Muslim women pointed out during the Sussex royal tour, Meghan looked appropriate during her mosque visit and didn’t have to have her hair fully covered necessarily. Just like many Pakistani women have said here this week that as a Westerner nobody would have minded if Kate hadn’t dressed so traditionally and conservatively. But we are really pleased that she made the effort. So my two pence is that it would have been an extra gracious gesture if Meghan had taken the 2 mins to pull her hair into a bun and keep the flyaways from showing. Not because it is expected but because it is gracious to go that extra mile for your hosts when it doesn’t really cost anything to take the trouble.
Yes exactly, I agree with you. As I said it does matter how much thought they put into their clothing (I am Pakistani too) and people in the host country are usually very touched by such simple gestures.
Similarly there is video from inside the mosque today of them listening to a Quranic recitation and Kate covers up her feet while she is sitting. I thought it was really sweet because women aren’t required to cover their feet but she was being extra careful and going out of her way to try to be respectful.
Not really. The conversation is focused on clothing on this site because it looks so damn good on her.
Not really. The conversation is focused on clothing on this site because it looks so damn good on her.
She is really a stunning woman. Her clothes are on point. Honestly not too sure what the work is? Harry and Meg’s trip seemed more focused on the work … But that might be on me. I was paying more attention because I have a girl-crush on Meg (and a straight-up humina humina crush on Harry …)
I feel like the SA tour was a little bit more serious. The Pakistan tour has a lot more glamorous outfits and is a lot lighter on content.
Pakistan tour: great on style.
SA tour: great on substance.
They’ve actually done a lot of charity. It’s not their normal holi-tour. Its just not all highlighted in posts because people are liking her clothes. They met with the PM, supported a girls education program, visited a glacier that melted and the town that flooded because of the melt, met with local communities, met with military offical last night, visited orphanages…I mean today Kate had a princess fairytale tea party with a little girl at a cancer hospital. Plastic tiara and all!!
The mosque is a huge tourist attraction (everyone has gone including the Queen), the cricket is also a charity tie in with children’s development program. And that reception was not only at a beautiful monument but really where the “soft diplomacy” comes in. Puts British embassy and businesses in the same room with Pakistan’s business/ government people.
Listen royal tours technically don’t “do” much. They’re expensive for little gain. They highlight causes that are soon forgotten when a new issue is highlighted. But they’re meant to have soft diplomacy events, and bring a positive view to the monarchy (both home and abroad).
I absolutely don’t understand this criticism. Could you describe how the tour lacks substance.
So far they have promoted education for girls, took part in educational activities linked to environmental protection, brought awareness to the effect of global warming in the area, visited a community that was deeply affected by flood, visited a SOS Children Villages, highlighted the richness of Pakistani culture, met with dignitaries…
I disagree with the commet that she has just nailed the fashion part. I would really like to visit Pakistan after seeing those amazing pictures from the rural site of Pakistan, the Mosque and also beautiful Islamabad. I have read hundreds of similar comments – Pakistan has been presented in the most charming and beautiful way, they could imagine. I have learned about history, religion and environmental causes.
If that is not a success, I don´t know what it is. This trip will fuel sale – in fashion, tourism and other areas. Success should not be measured in how many speeches they give, or how ´woke´ they present themselves. There are many ways to conduct diplomacy – I think that their approach this time has been a huge success, just as H&M´s more woke approach was a success in SA.
I believe both couples did what was necessary for the countries they visited. It seems like the Pakistan tour’s purpose was to showcase the clothing, culture, glamour, etc. The SA tour focused more on the issues. People will agree or disagree on the success of the tours based on their biases.
On another note, can people stop using the word ‘woke’ as if it is a derogatory word. I feel like a lot of non black people use the word without understanding its meaning. Caring deeply about people is not being woke, it’s simply called being a decent person.
@M. Thank you. It seems non people of color have latched onto using the word “woke” in a derogatory fashion and that is clearly not the intent of the word. The way many use the word “woke” comes off as dismissive and insulting.
This is the first (And last) time I have ever referred to the expression. I was merely pointing out wat has been written about Meghan/Harry and their ‘wokeness’ as something superior to William and Kates approach to doing tours like this. My point was that both couples can do good things by using different approaches. I did not mention the word in an offending manner. I am sorry if it came across in that way. I am TEAM BOTH!
very well said, M.
Both tours were successful in their own way.
As a Pakistani, it’s heartening to read all these comments and I’m glad that through this trip people are getting exposure to a different side of Pakistan than you’re all used to seeing on the media. I hope you will visit one day Scandi-there’s really something for everyone to enjoy.
I’m glad you found this site, Geane. I have learned so much about Pakistan from you, far more than I ever would have learned from the Cambridges and their tour here. I really appreciate getting perspective from you and the people who live in the country, a more realistic portrayal of life in Pakistan than tourism brochures.
That’s a lovely comment, thank you!
I love this look! All of her looks this trip have been great.
“If Meghan is going to be criticised, so should Diana” lol. Diana has been dead for 21 years. I think it’s time to let that one go, amiga.
Kate has looked great on this tour and seems to be enjoying it.
Nah. Kate and William are recreating Diana’s trips and copy her constantly. If that’s fine, then it’s fine to bring up Diana and her headcoverings while engaging with other cultures. Also, the fact that Diana, who again, is constantly referenced not only by them but by the media, wore a scarf that didn’t even cover half her head and didn’t get shit for it, then Meghan wearing hers the way she did in SA is equally a non-issue.
Nice try, though.
Can we stop with the “they are copying Diana”? What do you expect? That they don’t go anywhere where Diana has been? That Kate doesn’t wear anything in a colour Diana has worn?
Part of the point of this tour is to recreate Diana’s past visits to Pakistan. So yes, for this tour, they are definitely copying Diana. Its not a secret. Much like how Harry’s walk through the landmines was to deliberately retrace/recreate something Diana did, many of the aspects of this tour are deliberately retracing Diana’s steps.
I also wonder if one of the reasons Harry/Meghan/Kate and William often visit the same places on these tours is because they are the appropriate places to visit – i.e., a key mosque/project/building/charity that was relevant or appropriate then is still relevant now.
@sam, ITA with your comment, IMO these are the places suggested by the host country and are the appropriate one’s to visit…
Aurora, the point is that if they (that also includes Harry and Meghan regardless of reasoning) can recreate Diana’s footsteps and the media bring up Diana every chance they get, then mentioning Diana’s headscarves in context is valid and relevant.
If Kate can do Diana cosplay 21 years after her death (wearing clothes made from LITERAL patterns of Diana’s old clothes) then we can mention Diana in comparison.
@VV EXACTLY
That is a gorgeous color on Kate and the entire outfit is lovely.
Kate has looked polished, elegant and regal. Meghan unfortunately came off on her tour as messy and budget (except for the black jumpsuit – she looked great in that) I’m not sure where she is getting her advice from. Perhaps she should listen to people who want to guide her. She does not look like a member of the BRF.
“Perhaps she should listen to people who want to guide her. She does not look like a member of the BRF.”
Riiight
And to which people are you referring?
You can compliment Kate without dragging Meghan. The people who met Meghan in SA loved her. And the last time I checked, Meghan is considered a senior royal. So what exactly do you mean by “she doesn’t look like a member of the BRF”?
I guess to each there own. I didnt see messy, I just saw a woman dressed casually.
For Kate, fashion and looking ‘royal’ has to be a top priority… It’s really all she has to offer and this is something that has been displayed throughout her time as a duchess
“She does not look like member of RBF”
Thanks for telling on yourself with this not so subtly coded comment.
Please stop with the racism comments. Her hair extensions were very messy. The shirt dresses are not polished. The wedges with the ankle straps were messy. Her slip was showing. Her hair was plastered to her head and it does not look chic. The dresses looked like target brand. The long dress and scarf at the mosque was a mess. Her skin color has nothing to do with it. I am entitled to my opinion, just as you all are. You don’t need to be insulting just because you don’t like what I have to say.
Peanuts, none of that mattered much to South Africans. She was warm, serious and respectful of the issues and made a real connection with the people she met. She even nailed the handshake by holding her right elbow. No on commented on that but that impressed me. Honestly the fashion just wasn’t that important.
@Peanuts if you don’t want to be accused of racism then perhaps you should do better with what you say. Im not the only one who got what you were actually saying hun. Just read the other replies. If you didn’t mean it that way (and sorry but I don’t buy that) then do better at choosing your words.
When was her hair plastered to her head? Do you mean when she met Archbishop Tutu? How could anyone look at those pictures and not see how elegant Meghan looked?
And everything you said could be applied to Kate. Messy wedges etc. So it’s not just about opinion.
Kate and Meghan wouldn’t look right dressed in each other’s taste in clothes.
@VV, isn’t it just so funny how so many people give their racism away with their comments? But when called out on it, start yelling about how, “It’s just my OPINION!!!!” Well your opinion doesn’t come from a vacuum, does it?
@Peanuts, so when her hair is down she has “messy extensions” but when its pulled back into a bun its “plastered to her head” and “not chic”.
RIGHT THEN. This is nothing more than policing a black woman’s hair, something you clearly know NOTHING about bu the way.
Peanuts, give it up. You will never win, especially on this site, when you criticize Meghan. Because she is black.
You’re not criticizing her fashion choices because she is black, but there are some people who can’t separate the two. Which is ironic because in fact, it shows they are the ones who put issues/thoughts/opinions solely down to skin colour. They can’t see it. I’ve stopped trying. It’s futile.
I am a Meghan fan but don’t like shirt dresses or the wrap around dresses. To be honest most of what Meghan wore was pretty bland but that was what she chose. Her best outfit for me was the denim jacket, white shirt and black trousers, which I cannot wait to copy, she looked amazing in that simple combo and for me that is classic crisp Meghan, she knows how to do casual chic as well as Jackie O.
Why should she be singled out for not looking royal??? All the others except for the Queen wear all kinds of stuff. If she wears expensive stuff she gets slated. She can never win and this is why we call it racism.
Both women have had high points and low points. Meghan’s issue is fit and Kate has worn inappropriate clothing for windy conditions.
Saying Meghan does not look like a member of the BRF is highly problematic and I think you know that.
Your comment is a very good example of why Will and Kate need to be careful about who they are attracting as fans.
100% agree with Silas.
+1.
Ah yes, that poorly coded word again—“regal”. You could have easily complimented Kate without insulting Meghan and you doubled down when called out on it. “Please stop with the racism comments”? No dear, you should stop with the denial because your comments are coming from a dark place. You’re not fooling anyone.
Exactly
And you are doubling down without hearing what I have to say. When Meghan makes an effort, she can look lovely. When she looks like a mess I will mention it. We all know, even if we don’t like to say it, that Meghan is obsessed with celebrity. Kare looks much more polished than Meghan on these recent tours. It has nothing to do with race. Why is your knee jerk reaction to call everyone a racist?
Meghan is obsessed with celebrity? And what does that opinion have to do with the tour?
Will and Kate added stops in LA so they could meet celebrities.
@Peanuts the more you talk the more you show your a$$. “Meghan is obsessed with celebrity”. You keep telling on yourself
Peanut: Oh my, that ditch you’re digging keeps getting deeper. “Meghan is obsessed with celebrity”?? The only people who make that ridiculous claim about her are the ones who tend to support a very nasty hashtag on Twitter…
@peanut, “She did not look like a member of the BRF”
You mean Meghan isn’t white..right?
Stop policing black women’s hair. Really just fking stop. We are tired of your crap. You have no idea if Meghan wears extensions or not. Stop using ‘extensions’ to minimize her. Get back under your bridge
@Peanut On the other hand, Meghan actually DID something on her tour. It wasn’t about her clothes; that wasn’t the point of the trip. And Meghan didn’t look to a dead woman for her fashion cues.
Kate’s looked fine on this trip. She’s done exactly what she needs to do to keep her supporters happy. She’s worn pretty clothes, posed and basically kept her mouth shut. That’s working to her strengths. Oh, and she’s been White for the ENTIRE trip. That’s all her supporters need.
Has anybody complained about how much this has cost the British taxpayers? I keep waiting for the folks who get the vapours over cost every time the Sussex family leave their house, to be her weeping and wailing for the British taxpayer. So far….silence.
Oh and @Peanut. Meghan didn’t chase Harry for almost 10 years. THAT’S what obsessed with celebrity looks like.
just because the papers bring up Diana with everything Kate wears doesn’t mean there is any truth in it. They should let her rest in peace, it is unfair on everyone.
@SPOOKY
Kate has clothes made from actual patterns Diana wore – including patterns from a designer (Catherine Walker) who’s dead and whose clothing and designs are no longer made for anyone else. Explain how it’s only the media that reanimates Diana at every opportunity.
MrsBanjo – do you have actual proof of this?
@spooky uhhh yeah we do. All those Catherine Walker bespoke pieces. Catherine Walker designed for Diana. She died a DECADE ago. The pieces Kate wears are based on patterns Catherine Walker created for Diana. Her widower is simply recycling the patterns for Kate. You can actually Google it.
Ignore. Whatever.
@Peanuts
Meghan looked every bit a Duchess everyday and during the South African trip. She dressed smart and appropriately, was engaged with her hosts and gave intelligent speeches. Kate too is having a successful tour. Pitting both women against each other is low.
@ peanut, I find all of your comments on this thread distasteful and ignorant. Lots of coded language. So you didn’t like Meghan’s clothes and hair in South Africa? Fair enough. Thought she looked beautiful, was engaging with public, very working wardrobe, some hits and misses. She did an amazing job, intelligent and enthusiastic, had actual working meetings on that trip. Great diplomacy and went really well. She represented the Royal Family really well. The nonsense that Meghan is obsessed with celebrity is BS, Piers Morgan level, and honestly reeks of sexism. She was a professional before marriage and it shows. I think she takes her role seriously, wants to use it to shed a light on many issues and work. She’s carving out her niche and making her mark. She didn’t come into this role and put up with all this vitriol and biased press scrutiny to be merely decorative. Kate dresses lovely for this trip, has performed well, and does what is expected as a traditional wife, but what is the takeaway? God forbid a woman have some complexity and be a whole person beyond looks and reproduction. Utterly ridiculous and so backwards.
So she looks too black for your liking Peanut?
Quit pretending, We see you and your not so veiled racism
You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Your racism is blatantly showing. Theres no excuse for your words. They are a disgrace. How exactly does a member of the BRF look? What a statement to spew after what the media has put Meghan through. You must be part of the Daily Fail brigade of racists. Youre disgusting
I’m no fan of Will and Kate but I have to admit Kate has been KILLING it with the fashion on this trip. She’s had several wow moments. I might be wrong but I think Kate obsessively read the negative press Meg gets in certain situations and does the exact opposite see the airplane situation and now this headscarf thing for example. She looks like what I expected Meghan to look during her Mosque visit and I have to say she looks stunning and this color is amazing, one of my all time favorite colors. Honestly, I’ve been disappointed in Meghan’s fashion overall since the beginning(didn’t like the wedding dress), not just the African tour. The shirt dresses ugh. Hopefully Meghan will say the hell with the criticism and start dressing like the duchess she is.
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Why?
I don’t think it’s true that Kate covered her head this way after reading the negative press about Meghan. Will and Kate visited a Kuala Lumpur mosque on their Malaysia trip and she wore a scarf that matched her dress so obviously that outfit had been planned and thought out similar to this one.
Kate trip to a mosque in kuala lumpur was a mess.
She wear a headress but forgotten to cover her leg. I am from Malaysia and it was a face palm moment for me.
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that is a totally valid criticism. I was under the impression that Malaysia is less conservative than Pakistan but if that is considered a faux pas there then her team should have known better.
Diana and the Queen also did not cover their legs when they visited Badshahi Mosque but that would probably cause somewhat of an uproar here now.
Actually, if she says “The hell with the criticism.” she’ll just continue living her best life, wearing what feels good to her on her own body and creating substantive projects and not concern herself with the opinions of others.
My yoga therapist has a figure similar to Kate and often wears pants with a long tunic top which really flatters her. The same look is Kate’s most flattering imo and it’s too bad she couldn’t dress like this more often. I know she likes to show off her tiny waist but outfits that do just look ill-fitting. The culottes need to go too. The above outfit is beautiful and fits her perfectly like many others on this tour.
I agree, these outfits flatter her a lot. She should take advantage of long pants and tunics more often.
I wouldn’t have thought someone with Kate’s posture could be compared to a yoga instructor 🤪
Ha! My yoga therapist only resembles Kate in height and leanness. Julia is several years older, naturally beautiful and very accomplished (MD). She has character and depth in spades and I totally girl crush on her 🙂
I thought I was at the Dailyfail comments section for a second. Ugh.
Yeah, I’ll never warm up to these two. I could be wrong but I highly doubt they would ever interact or deal with people with color if they didn’t have to. The expressions on that entire families faces during Bishop Curry’s speech during the wedding told it all.
The expression on faces during that speech was not limited to the RF but echoed by millions watching tv – not because of his colour at all, but because he went on and on and on and on…….
But the royals are meant to represent their country and also the Church Of England,right? Shouldn’t they at least know how to keep a neutral expression in church during a service televised worldwide instead of smirking? To me, it was telling how they react and behave when outside of their comfort zone and when every thing is not controlled for them.
Heh. It’s a mix of the usual suspects being more vocal + a small group of new commenters insistent on pushing a DM-type narrative. Once again the bar is below sea level for these two.
Kate looks AMAZING here! I’ve appreciated most of her sartorial choices on this tour and I applaud her for branching out and speaking Urdu. Well done.
Both did fine covering their hair. Context does in fact matter
These outfits hide her long torso and the extra fabric don’t show how bony she is. She looks so good in this style. It really suits her.
Why does a long torso need to be hid? Asking for a friend.
She has really looked amazing on this tour!
It’s nice to see that Kate finally ditched her terrible eyeliner for more sensible makeup. She looks stunning. I looked at pictures of Diana on this tour and you can see her knees while she’s wearing a hijab, whereas no other woman’s knees are exposed. I found Diana’s choice of outfit odd.
The degree to which you choose to cover your hair is up to the individual. I know a lot of people who just throw on a covering and leave up to the first half of their head uncovered, even in a mosque. There are others who go all the way. There are some who wear it full time.
Fwiw, I think that what Kate is wearing here is in fashion for Pakistan. Where I come from in South Asia, covering your head was never something that Muslim women used to do (it has since changed, ofc). This strikes me as a particular style, if you ask me, and I’ve seen Sikh women covering their head in a similar way for religious events and such. Obviously this is not going to be the same everywhere in the world. The principle might be, but the execution absolutely depends on the local tastes, so I don’t think Meghan was “half-assing” anything at all. I think it would have looked out of place for her to cover her hair in this style in South Africa.
Kate only covered her hair at the mosque. Muslim women cover their hair when they’re in mosques and non-Muslim visitors tend to do so out of respect (it’s not a compulsion). Not sure where in South Asia you’re from but not all Pakistani women cover their hair, and that’s why Kate didn’t throughout the rest of the trip either.
The comparison is only being made between the SA and Lahore mosque visits. Nobody is saying Meghan should have covered her hair the whole time in SA, they’re only commenting on her mosque visit.
I know not all Pakistani women cover their hair. My point is not what they choose to do outside of a mosque. My point is entirely about how people go about fulfilling the requirement for modesty when they do visit a mosque, which is not the same across the board. How you do it is going to vary depending on where you’re from, and what the local fashion of your region is. I brought up where I’m from in South Asia because I think the context matters. Where I’m from, covering your head for any reason was not the norm, even for Muslim women. This was just in keeping w/ the local fashion trends. This is not the case in other parts of South Asia, where people covering their head with a dupatta/pallu/what have you is very much a norm, regardless of religion. As such, it’s going to be easier to look put together if the norm for the fashion of a given area is conducive to what your requirement is. Where I’m from, given that covering your head inside or outside of a mosque is still a recent development, you’ll find that a lot of people don’t look “put together” when they do it. That’s changing now, but ten, twenty years ago, that wasn’t the case.
Now, I’m sure Meghan has plenty of tools at her disposal that would allow her to look more “put together” for her mosque visit. But I don’t think the lack of her looking “put together” necessarily means she was “half-assing” anything wrt her intent, in the same way that I don’t think Kate wearing a salwaar that comes w/ a matching scarf means she put any more special thought into her outfit for the mosque than, “Hey, this looks nice.” I think both women thought carefully about their sartorial choices for this part of the visit, and the intent behind their gesture was the same, and it was based on respect for the places they were visiting. Kate looks nicer because salwaar kameezes look good on her, and this one is a particularly nice one.
I think we can agree to disagree here. I do think what the royals wear (on these foreign trips in particular) matters and they are in a position to make statements through their clothes that the locals appreciate, for example promoting a local designer or wearing something as a gesture of respect. You can’t really compare an ordinary person not looking put together with a prominent royal whose picture is going to be splashed across the media all over the world.
Obviously we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes but to any casual observer it does come across that Kate’s mosque look (even in KL for that matter) was specifically planned and that’s why it didn’t come across as haphazard.
Sure, we can agree to disagree, but what do we do when the locals themselves have different expectations from the rest of us non-locals? I’m not a native of South Africa, let alone a South African Muslim. Neither are you. So by whose standards does Meghan have to dress in order to satisfy? I would argue that the local expectations take precedence here, if only because it’s nigh impossible to please the entire world, lmao.
Again, my point about “not looking put together” is to highlight the fact that requirements for modesty such as wearing a headscarf are different in different places. I’m not quite sure how to spell it out more clearly than that. There are some places where it matters a great deal, and the expectations are different. There are some places where it isn’t. I’m from one such place. If someone like Kate or Meghan were to visit a local mosque in my corner of the world, they can certainly cover their head, if they chose, but people aren’t going to nitpick their fashion because that’s simply not a consideration for the local Muslims. It clearly matters to you, and perhaps to others, but again, that’s because you’re from a place where the expectations are different. And that is something you have to account for.
At any rate, I don’t think casual observers necessarily focused on Meghan’s visit to the mosque in South Africa in the same way that people are focusing on Kate’s visit here. Again, local contexts and cultures are different, and they clearly have a huge impact on how casual observers perceive things. Not every casual observer is coming at this from the same perspective.
Look, I am a Muslim myself so I do have a leg to stand on and I’m very well aware that Muslims practice Islam differently depending on where they are.
There is no need to “spell it out” for me in a condescending manner as we are entitled to have different opinions. I have shared my views upthread as well that Meghan was not technically wrong because she showed respect by covering her head and that is the basic requirement BUT she did not make an extra effort and her entire look could have been executed in a much better way (from an aesthetic point of view) for one of the most photographed women in the world. I am not nitpicking on somebody from a local mosque for heaven’s sake, she is a public figure and a representative of the royal family and even a little effort goes a long way.
that is all I have to say. You are entitled to your perspective and I am to mine. Have a good day.
I like everything about this ensemble.
Kate attended the same Cancer Hospital for Children as Diana…she stayed away from the children. She is no Diana. So continue to discuss her clothes because that is all she contributes….clothes.
There are pictures of Will and Kate interacting with children at the hospital. They had a princess tea party with a young cancer patient from Afghanistan and she asked Kate to wear a tiara. Are you spreading misinformation on purpose? How can you be this negative about people you’ve never met?
Lets be clear: In the pictures William is interacting with the children, Kate isn’t. Are you spreading misinformation? Tell the truth.
Oh yes she is…..
Do you disapprove of her visiting a cancer hospital? And stayed away from the children? That is just not true – check the Daily Mail press photos there are several of her and William playing and talking to the children.
I do wish people would just let Diane rest in peace, this constant comparison is unfair and has become tedious.
That’s the point. Kate welcomes the comparisons between she and Diana. But really it stops with the clothes. Kate did not interact with the children on the same level as Diana. She doesn’t have the same touch. The pictures tell the story. So for those of you who support Kate, just tell the truth and be honest. Kate does well with sports and clothes…basically that’s it.
Sorry but however do you know “she welcomes the comparisons?” I doubt that very much. Bear in mind that Diana is never going to age as everyone else does. I would bet that Kate is sick and tired of the comparisons.
oh for pete’s sake. Kate OF COURSE goes out of her way to invoke Diana. I am still shocked that people dispute that. The dress she wore after having George? The dress she wore after having Louis? those were both total nods to Diana (and I will say that it makes me think she 100% knew Louis was a boy and so she copied Diana’s outfit after she had her second son).
Do I think every time Kate wears a certain style she is copying Diana? No. Some of it is overreaching on the part of the press. But she absolutely goes out of her way to copy Diana and welcomes the comparisons at times.
She is wearing a tiara and interacting with the children in the same way as William. I’m not going to engage with you further because your comments on every single post are nothing but bias and venom.
LOL. She stayed away from the children, did she? Is that why there are tons of pictures and videos of Kate next to a lovely girl, having a tea party? And the other cute kids she interacted with today? You are all so entertaining!
I’m reading these comments and looking at photos/video from the hospital of Kate and William with the kids and…it’s something.
We’re out here looking at actual proof of the visit but sure, go off I guess. 😂😂
A lot of folks here aren’t that open minded are they? They are as guilty in their attitude to Kate as they accuse others of being towards Meghan.
on their IG account there is a video from their visit to the SOS Children’s Villages where Kate is reading to the children, interacting with them and also doing a speech. Easy to find! 🙂
Lots of DELUSIONAL thinking. Amelia’s point was that there is a lot of comparisons being made between Diana and Kate. Diana has a warm and physical touch with the children, Kate did not. The “speech” if you want to call that a speech was, sorry it wasn’t a speech so I have no words for it. Kate has had 9 years on the job, if this is all she can give that’s disappointing. The bar is so low for Kate.
We still haven’t heard a peep from the tabloids about the cost of all of these glamorous outfits. I guess Kate gets a pass on what these clothes cost the taxpayers.
Yes she does. Everything is “bespoke” with an NDA and hence priceless and people think it costs nothing when it costs a lot. I don’t care because I know nice things cost money but well, most people don’t have common sense.
I can’t speak to the Catherine Walker and Jenny Packham outfits but Pakistani clothing is inexpensive unless it’s heavily embellished and formal (which all three of her shalwar kameezes are not). Gul Ahmed in particular is an extremely affordable label. “Bespoke” is also a different concept here; literally anyone can get an outfit, even a casual one, customised according to their measurements by a tailor (tailors are not exclusive and expensive like they are in many western countries).
Stop breathe and pay attention. Typically, bespoke IS expensive and when it’s cited that way it’s by designers where clothing isn’t cheap. I also know that Royal ladies have agreements where they pay much less than the listed retail prices. But don’t fool yourself, her clothes are expensive-maybe not on this tour, but when you add it up it is what it is. If you think Kate is saving any money with her wardrobe you’re not being realistic. Pretty things cost money. You’re being manipulated by optics-it happens to be working in her favour right now, but that is how certain media cite her clothing and it’s done purposely so you can’t get a dollar figure because if you did it would seem high.
A lot of people seem to think that the issue here is simply a matter of price. Yes, that’s a factor. I won’t say that it isn’t. Wearing expensive custom made clothing when times are difficult is not a good look for a royal. However, we simply don’t know what Meghan’s bespoke clothing has cost thus far. And we don’t know what Kate’s clothing has cost in this tour, even with her sourcing outfits from local designers. But somehow, the press doesn’t gaf about Kate’s expenses, but they have been perfectly content to rip Meghan to shreds on the pure assumption that her clothing MUST be expensive, often with inaccurate price tags attached to it. The Ralph & Russo debacle is just one example of that.
Why is Kate not subject to this scrutiny, but Meghan is? What is Kate doing differently than Meghan that gives her a pass with the press? She wears just as much custom couture, if not more overall, given that she’s been married for 8 years, and has gone on countless tours in that time. She’s purchased at least 3 custom green coat dresses for St. Patricks day alone. And yet, Kate is the one who is thrifty and savvy with her clothing and her repeats, but Meghan got radio silence from the press over the last tour. At its worst, she was criticized for not looking fancy enough.
If Kate kept her costs down, good for her. She’s looked good this whole trip, and that’s to her credit. But yelling about the inexpensive cost of custom Pakistani designer wear is kind of beside the point. The disparity between the treatment both of these women get wrt their expenses is what rankles.
The people who weep bitter tears for the British taxpayers every time Harry and Meghan walk around the block, have been oddly silent on this trip. Wonder why that is?
I think that’s one of the several reasons why I don’t like William and Kate. I don’t much care for the people who like them. I also don’t like people who use racism to make themselves look better but that’s another story.
Well said. The press relentlessly hounded Meghan about her perceived spending habits, so she bowed to public pressure and toned it down for the SA tour. Now Kate is being praised for dressing properly (which any six year old can do) but Meghan was sloppy and budget. Of course the beautiful, dynamic charismatic woman of colour had to dim her light so that the mediocre white woman can shine. Same racist narrative, over and over again. It’s so disheartening.
@Kerwood and bonsai mountain This is so very true. I didn’t mind Kate and William before but since Meghan came along I am seeing the real them. Happily benefitting from the racist bullshit thown at Meghan. I truly believe they themselves are equally racist. And so much praise for a white woman for putting on some clothing and shitting on the black woman for not dressing up despite her doing a good job, Pathetic! Fed up with this crap.
@Kerwood yes to ALL of this. I was never a Kate fan. She has always struck me as vapid and lazy, content to do the bare minimum of what’s required. And my opinion still stands on that.
But what was the turning point for me is the racist vitriol thrown at Meghan that Kate has benefited from and not one iota of support. In fact some of those very leaks came from the Kate and Will camp. Same goes for Will. He has thrown his own brother under the bus and I think he’s jealous, boring and insecure.
Me too! I thought I’d finally see a multi rich professional WOC jetsetting around the world with the top agents and world at her fingertips, I am dissappointed at this turn of events. People like Kat ena dWilliam we’ve seen a thousand times before.
The media managed to price the repeat dress that Meghan wore at the Well Child awards, a dress which she owned prior to the engagement, but somehow we don’t see anything for Kate’s bespoke outfits. Even if the Pakistani outfits were cheap, the Catherine Walker and Jenny Packham outfits were not and easily get to 50k. They have been away for four days.
Is anyone else wondering how soon after this trip a baby announcement will be made? I call December!
Read that 6 Pakistani ministers walked out of British High Commission Royal reception because they were upset about their place in gathering. Can anyone elaborate what that’s all about? Was on BBC but someone following over there may know more.
Perhaps Geane who’s been waxing so eloquently on all things Pakistani over the last few days can enlighten us?
There’s no need for your snark. I will comment on whatever I see fit.
lmao this comment, I love it
Hmmm….if this had happened on the Sussex tour the press would have made a negative story out of it to make the tour look a failure.
Love the color on her, and glad she covered her hair. My one disappointment with Meghan in SA was not covering her hair completely. Sure, it looked more photogenic, but it wasn’t respectful.
Except it was respectful. SEVERAL Muslim women, including SA Muslim women said what she wore was fine. Stop. Just stop this. It’s ridiculous and obvious. There is literally no one right way to cover your hair, whether you’re Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, etc. Every individual community within those groups has their own take on the requirements. What’s fine in SA may not be elsewhere. Fun fact: there are no such things as monoliths in human societies and cultures.
Not respectful to whom exactly, JV? Meghan didn’t have to wear anything to cover her hair. She chose to. She’s free to wear whatever she wants.
I thought churches and mosques and other religious gathering places are places of peace and love and friendship, places where one is not judged. Why “god” would give a crap what people wear is beyond me.
Thank you! I cannot BELIEVE the whole damn discussion is about whether the hair was covered and if it was respectful enough. If I was Kate or Meghan I wouldn’t care to do it at all- it’s not my religion and I think religion should be strictly a private matter. And ni, it’s not islamiphobe- I was born catholic (even though I left the church) and I felt the same way about changing my clothes for the vatican.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-right-to-ban-the-veil-is-good-news-for-everybody-including-muslims/amp/
Kate has looked very elegant on this tour.
Meghan (even thoughshe was unprepared did it better) Yes, Kate has learned and she has learned well (and she should it’s been 9 years). The first time Kate went to mosque in Singapore she covered her hair but her legs were exposed (which is a BIG no-no in mosques even worse than not covering your head!!). Meghan never did this she wore a long dress, although her hair was messy, she probably doesn’t have a big entourage helping her as Kate does, Meghan was respectful. Meghan is doing great in comparison to Kate in her first years. And I think she is going to do better even without top dog guidance like Catherine Quinn and top money as Kate.
Why do you have to compare? Kate did great. Meghan was fine. End of.
Hmm…didn’t see you post this criticism for all the others comments comparing Kate (favorably) to Meghan in this thread. Wonder why that is….
@Beach Dreams EXACTLY! This commenter has said nothing about all the people dissing Meghan about her headscarf whilst worshipping Kate, these comparisons are all upthread. Their obvious racism is showing.
@BeachDreams Thanks, I was going to reply the same but didn’t want to waste my energy, lol.
Hopefully this tour is over. I don’t see what was accomplished just lots of photo-ops and new clothes.
What changed in SA after a certain tour?
A WOC speaking empowerment to other WOC is a big deal!
Nothing, royals are useless and only promotes disparity between the rich and poor.
You wouldn’t understand the power of a WOC in Meghan’s position speaking about empowerment. It’s beyond your comprehension so stick to What Kate Wore.
@Lene Malan Many people heard about the young woman who was raped and murdered after Meghan went to the place honouring her. We saw several communities of children who were working to overcome dreadful obstacles. We got a chance to spend some time with a Nobel Prize winner and a hero of the anti-apartheid movement. And we got a chance to see that Archie REALLY loves cake!
The people of Pakistan are happy because William and Kate didn’t spend a second dealing with the very serious social issues that the Pakistani people, especially women and girls have to face. It was basically a travelogue and fashion show. And now they’re going to LA to hang out with movie stars. Somebody claimed that Meghan was ‘obsessed with celebrity’. But in her case, the celebrities come to HER.
I’m a Pakistani woman @Kerwood and I’m getting very very tired of the narrative that I need to be empowered and rescued by privileged British royals. Whether they be Kate & William or Meghan & Harry.
It comes across as strangely condescending.
Why is William wearing this boring suit..?
But what changed??? Simple as that!!
Certainly not you Lene , since you’re continuing to show your racist ass
Racist a$$–no lies told there, @CairinaCat. Between the racists and self-haters, I can hardly stomach reading the OTT praise for World Barbie and how much her presence and fashion has done for Pakistan. It’s disgusting, knowing these same women wouldn’t lift a finger to type a fair or kind word on behalf of the Duchess of Sussex.
Can anyone tell me how many British mosques Saint Kate has visited? For how many British Muslims has she taken off her shoes and covered her wiglets? One? None?
It appears she only attends C of E services at Easter, Christmas and the occasional wedding/christening, even though she suddenly took religious instruction and wore a cross to be allowed to marry in Westminster Abbey. This shallow woman sees houses of worship as an opportunity to dress up and feign piety. At least Prince William is staying true to himself and not conducting himself like a vacuous show pony. Wake up to this PR exercise, open your eyes and see the truth!
WOW! This thread!
@Kerwood: Uyinene’s death was constantly on national (+ some international) news before the SA tour. The duchess visited a memorial, but what did she change? What changed after the tour? So far nothing.
And please don’t insult the people + gov of Pakistan like that. The tour seems important to them– don’t reduce it to nothing but a fashion show in your defense for your fave.
@PsychoBot I’m happy that the tour means something to the Pakistani people. Enough money was spent so it should mean something to SOMEBODY. But I will reduce it to a fashion show because I do happen to know that it’s not all lollipops and roses in Pakistan and it would have been nice if Normal Bill and Keen Katie could have bothered to show a little solidarity with the Pakistani people who want more than to look at pretty clothes.
My ‘fave’ doesn’t need me to defend her. She’s done a fantastic job on her own. Along with her husband. And their legal team.
@Kerwood: Ahh ..but I’m pretty sure that the tour has highlighted causes that mean something to Pakistani people, no? Unless I’m seeing things? And unless you’re suddenly Pakistani, you can sit over there and whine about how the tour doesn’t live up to your expectations when it’s obviously serving it’s purpose.
Of course she does, so does her husband. It doesn’t stop you and others from jumping down people’s throats when they don’t echo what you think, does it?
Kerwood, I’m Pakistani. Please don’t speak for us. We know better than anyone that it’s not all ‘lollipops and roses’ (since we actually LIVE here). After more than a decade of gloom and doom and having a terrible image in the eyes of the rest of the world, we are glad to have this opportunity to show off our country through this tour. We are thrilled about the tour and how they’ve conducted themselves. And yes, we are also really happy to see the ‘fashion show’ and our culture and traditional clothing being honored in this way. Context is everything.
You may have your issues with the tour which is fine but please do not comment on what the Pakistani people want since you are not one of us.
If you want a tour that is void of purpose or substance William and Kate gave you exactly what you wanted. To compare Diana to Kate is an insult to her memory. Kate wearing similar clothes in the same shades of color doesn’t mean she is having the same impact. There’s a big difference.
Thank you, Molly, for speaking truth and common sense. Women like PyschoBot want to discredit the Duchess of Sussex by saying she had no impact on the level of crimes against women in SA since her visit last month. Maybe, personally, we’ll never know, but to diminish so quickly and flippantly her presence and earnest effort to highlight the situation shows us just how little regard some women have for her but are willing to place a vacuous but stylish woman above her.
@Molly: The tour is meant to boost the economy through tourism by showing Pakistani as beautiful and colorful as it is (loose explanation). You’re not calling Pakistani culture(s) void, are you?
Guys, just bc something doesn’t speak to you doesn’t make it worthless to the next person.
The SA tour was meant to highlight the social issues that we’re facing and it achieved that goal. This tour is obviosly different from that.
@Olenna: Excuse me? I live in SA. I know what I’m talking about. You think GBV has suddenly gone down bc the duchess visited and gave a speech? You don’t know SA pretty well, do you?
I am not in any way dismissing her. Noting that her presence didn’t change anything in no way takes away her genuine effort. SA is just a mess, and until gov starts taking things seriously it will remain a mess.
@PsychoBot,
I’ve only visited SA, but if you think I’m naive enough to believe one woman can permanently and positively impact a culture of violence in a month, a year or many years, you are sorely mistaken. I can grasp the complexity this problem as many of your lawmakers, social justice advocates and health professionals do, but please don’t try to twist my opinions into some uninformed defense of a royal do-gooder. I will give credit where I believe credit is due, so if you think the Duchess of Sussex’s visit to the memorial, her phone call to the victim’s family or her public support for advocacy and justice doesn’t deserve credit, we will just have to disagree.
I have a serious question, and it’s not specific to Kate or a criticism of her – but at what point does dressing to show respect for another culture cross the line? For example, if a white Southern Baptist woman wore this outfit, would it be considered a sign of respect or cultural appropriation? What about wearing a cheongsam for Chinese new year parties? Just curious.
Cultural appropriation is when you take something from another culture without any recognition of where it actually came from. I am black and l wear a lot of Indian clothing but l don’t pass it off as something that l invented. I had an India style outfit made from Indonesian cloth, and the person who sewed it up for me was neither Indian or Indonesian.
Fusion of ideas and styles has happened for centuries the difference back then was that Europeans took things from other cultures and pretended that it was all them. The Paisley design is one of the very worst examples of cultural appropriation.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Also, I did not know that about paisley!
Gowns, trousers, scarves, beautiful gowns, beautiful trousers, beautiful scarves. Just so beautiful.