Lingerie ads w/ plus-size models barred, lingerie ads w/ skinny models ok


Lane Bryan’s lingerie ad denied by ABC

Lane Bryant has a new lingerie line out and when they submitted a commercial to ABC, to air during Dancing With The Stars, it was denied. ABC said that the ad showed too much cleavage. That’s fair enough if ABC doesn’t want to show too much skin during a family friendly show. It might be the Fox network that has a double standard though. Initially Fox denied Lane Bryant’s request to buy a time slot for the ad during American Idol. When executives at the plus-sized fashion franchise pointed out that Victoria’s Secret was able to schedule an ad during the same show, Fox changed its tune.

ABC is issuing a “fat”-wa against full-figured models, plus-size label Lane Bryant says.

The Disney-owned network refused to air the brand’s lingerie ad during its hit show “Dancing with the Stars,” saying it bared too much cleavage, a Lane Bryant insider said.

And Lane Bryant thinks the net’s executives are a bunch of prejudiced boobs.

“The cleavage of the plus-size models, they said, was excessive, and we don’t think that’s the case,” said the source. “It certainly appears to be discrimination against full-sized women.”

Lane Bryant had been set to launch its campaign for Cacique, its new lingerie line, during “Dancing” this week.

After the ad was pulled, the company posted the too-sexy-for-TV spot on its Web site yesterday.

In it, a pleasantly plump model gracefully shows off her curves before the camera in a slew of sexy poses.

“Mom always said beauty is skin deep,” a voice-over says. “Somehow, I don’t think this is what Mom had in mind.”

Lane Bryant said Fox, too, had originally balked at showing the ad on “American Idol.”

But a Lane Bryant insider noticed that a sexy Victoria’s Secret lingerie spot starring a skinny model had been slotted for “Idol” Tuesday night and complained about a double standard. That caused Fox to change its tune, the source said.

“They wouldn’t run the ad, but have you seen the Victoria’s Secret spots? If you saw the Victoria’s Secret spot and our spot, you’d see nothing different,” the source added.

Fox bristled at the notion it gave Lane Bryant a hard time, saying it is set to air the ad during Wednesday’s “American Idol.”

“We didn’t treat them any differently than Victoria’s Secret,” a Fox spokesman said.

A rep for ABC declined to comment.

Fox had asked Lane Bryant to flash less flesh, the source said. But the label said no.

Both networks had a first glimpse of the disputed ad last month from Lane Bryant execs.

“They sent the storyboards in late March to Fox to approve. Fox rejected them, saying it was too racy, too risqué,” the source said.

“We said, ‘Wait a minute. It’s no more racy or risqué than the Victoria’s Secret ads you’re running!’ They rejected them again, said, ‘No, no, no, edit things out!’ ”

If the label had heeded Fox’s suggestions, the spot would have shown the model’s face — and virtually nothing else.

[From Fox News]

It’s very probable that Lane Bryant pushed the envelope with this ad in order to get free publicity when it was denied, but it doesn’t look any different to me than current Victoria’s Secret ads. (Check out this Michael Bay Victoria’s Secret ad from late 2009.) Maybe Lane Bryant is a new account and the networks were giving them a hard time in order to establish the ad guidelines. They’ve probably already gone through all that with Victoria’s Secret. Are ABC and Fox discriminating against bigger women with more “cleavage” or is this ad too risque no matter the size of the model?

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  1. Jag says:

    If they run stuff for VS, they should run it for LB, too. I see no difference between those two lingerie ads, other than the size of the models.

  2. mhjmc says:

    As a “plus” sized woman I feel it’s about time we are viewed for what we are .. gorgeous, natural women!! The only difference between her & say a Victoria Secret model is that hers are real.
    This ad is modest compared to the Victoria Secret barely there models … she shows nothing we haven’t seen before on Dancing with the stars and/or on American Idol, I guess I’ll be boycotting those two networks.

  3. Obvious says:

    I say the VS is more racy. She’s just barely covers, at least the LB one she’s fully covered.

    I hate the double standard. I got censored once for a shirt because I showed too much cleavage, yet another girl was walking around with the same shirt and her bra showing.

    There is nothing wrong with cleavage especially when you can’t help it, a.k.a full figured women. I might try the LB line haven’t been able to wear VS in years.

  4. Sumodo1 says:

    Oh, she’s just wearing a raincoat over her lingerie to meet her boyfriend. That’s “suggestive.” Not “overtly sexual” like the VS ad.

    Maybe Fox didn’t want to air it during the family-oriented Idol, because it was “suggestive.”

    Overt sexuality, though? Fox execs are crazy.

    BEAUTIFUL Lane Bryant ad, right away, and I am a womanly woman.

  5. annie says:

    bullsit, bullshit, bullshit

    LB model looks better. Dancing With the Stars shows more cleavage in the show than is in this ad. Julianne Hough had her famous prostitot outfits that were way more outrageous.

    bullshit, bullshit, bullshit

  6. annie says:

    One more comment – Disney’s little angel Miley Cyrus looks sluttier than both of these models.

  7. bellaluna says:

    For ABC to be anti-cleavage during DWTS when PAMELA ANDERSON is one of the dancers is absolutely a double standard. Any kid watching DWTS has most likely seen Mom’s cleavage, and I’m willing to bet more moms have LB cleavage than VS cleavage.

    And why is it okay to show Playtex-covered plus-size (real-size, in other words) boobs on TV but not LB? Because Playtex makes grandma bras and is trying to be functional, not sexy? Fox and ABC, your discrimination is showing, and it’s ugly.

  8. lucy2 says:

    I don’t see any difference other than size either. Fox is being a bit discriminatory, but I can also believe LB is happily going after this attention. Free marketing and publicity!
    I find it funny that ABC didn’t want to air cleavage commercials during Dancing with the Stars, but has Pamela freaking Anderson as one of the contestants this season! Not to mention some of the other costumes I’ve seen.

  9. Lenore says:

    Never mind comparing the Lane Bryant ad to the Victoria’s Secret one – you probably see more sexually suggestive, exposed flesh in any ad for any product on TV any time at all. I’ve seen beer ads, perfume ads, burger ads more risque than that Lane Bryant ad.

  10. Samantha says:

    I don’t see anything different between the two ads, except a few pounds. So stupid. I wouldn’t want to see either, but if they are going to show one might as well show the other. Maybe they didn’t want it because…it would actually appeal more to the women who would wear it rather than the guys who would run off to the bathroom after seeing it? I don’t know…and before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I’m not saying guys don’t like big girls, but there is a reason 99% of all ads show an anorexic chick practically naked rather than full figured women.

  11. princess pea says:

    I’m with annie. Some of the costumes on Dancing are covering less than lingerie. Maybe the ABC execs should try WATCHING their own show sometime.

  12. operaghost says:

    I thought the ad was beautifully and tastefully done. It also showed a sexually confident woman, and not merely a “plaything.”

    I call double standard.

  13. moe says:

    ABC is a JOKE. there is nothing wrong with the LB ad, that girl doesnt have any more showing than the VS ad.
    How can they base the denial on being a family friendly show when they have Pam Anderson showing all of hers out there (including her lopsided nips)plus all her stupid eye looks and sexual innuendos on that show, not too mention some of the others dancers’ costumes.
    I call Double standard.

  14. original kate says:

    i’ve seen carl’s jr. ads that are way more suggestive than the LB ad. this is bulllshit. fox sucks.

  15. Blaster says:

    That Michael Bay directed ad for VS was a complete waste of money.

    Commercials are supposed to make you want to buy what you see. All I saw were emaciated models with their mouths open 99% of the time.

    I wonder if that’s the point though. You buy the lingerie not because you like it but because you buy it for your significant other and/or hook-up…

  16. Hautie says:

    Maybe ABC and FOX only want to show women with plastic boobs. Maybe they don’t find fake boobs offensive.

    But a girl with a real set of DD’s is just too much for them.

    And considering how much crotch and fake boobs are flashed on Dancing with the Has-Beens show weekly, ABC obviously has issues with Lane Bryant showing off a girl with real parts.

  17. Miah says:

    I may be the odd woman out here, but I think it has to do with the idea that thinner models aren’t “real” women.

    With most women in the states being most like the LB model, we see our wives/girlfriends/etc wearing the lingerie, and therefore it instantly becomes a bit sexier. It’s easier to dismiss or overlook thin models because that type of woman doesn’t seem to be valued anymore. Anyway, that’s just my take on it.

    On a side note: I think that lingerie ads are risque no matter the side of the model. I mean I know why I buy lingerie, and I can only assume it’s the same reason other women do as well… to feel sexy. Showing women feeling sexy is inheritance sexy. Just my opinion!

  18. dizzybenny says:

    yeah let’s have shows of people killing one another,with blood splatering everywhere.hun! a commercial showing cleavage my God!that’s not family oriented!!!
    good grief!! 🙁

  19. justme says:

    This plus size model is sooooo beautiful! She is a sexier version of Eva Mendez! What is the models name?

    BTW, ABC is full of sh!t

  20. Lala11_7 says:

    I’m a LB customer…and I can OVERSTAND where the network is coming from…

    I mean…there’s a HUGE difference between the two ads…and network television is NOT ready for all of that…

  21. Shona says:

    As with most of you I don’t see why any network would not play the LB commercial. Everyone is a different size. Not everyone is a size 0/2. I’m a 2/4 but I literally starve myself for it and I think the plus size models are a good role model for young girls and seeing them on TV just like VS is a positive thing. It points out that ALL sizes can be beautiful and worth a time slot!

  22. Um, there is nothing wrong with the LB ad. I think it’s outright discrimination. If you banned ALL lingerie ads, then maybe fokes would shut up..BUT look at the damn outfits on DWTS!!!

    Sexy is Sexy…Period.

  23. Toe says:

    I think LD ad is way more sexier. I mean look at that girls body, she has CURVES…you dont even see the lingerie anymore, you’re looking at her. When watch a VS ad, you watch a skinny girl posing in nice bra and underwear. No wonder the use skinny girls on the walkway. I hope you guys understand what i mean.

  24. jen says:

    I have to say, side-by-side, the LB model is much more alluring/attractive than the VS model.

  25. That Girl says:

    Let’s just say Fox and ABC just jumped to the top of my sh!t list… they must fail to realize that the LB model is truly your “Average American Woman”. Less than 3% of women internationally fall into the category of Adriana Lima skinny, and that is including countries where malnutrition and starvation are daily worries. Seriously?!?!? This woman is curvy and gorgeous and I’m appauled at the double standard obviously set by a group of men better suited to judge a wet t-shirt contest than determine what’s morally acceptable on television…

    and Amen to the Miley Cyrus comment.

  26. GatsbyGal says:

    The VS ads aren’t as bad because their bodies are more like 12 year old boys than an actual woman. The LB ads have huge, supple breasts and awesome, luscious curves.

  27. bros says:

    we are surprised about ABC sucking? everyone knows this.

  28. Just a B!@tch says:

    And sending out a “man” with no pants on to slide around on a dance floor (that bachelor tool) is family friendly? What idiots.

  29. pluck says:

    The so-called ‘plus sized’ model is way sexier than the stick woman.

  30. Bella says:

    I agree with all of you about the unfairness that is shown in this case and I have to say that the LB model is just gorgeous and so is the VS model but lets not take it out on slim/skinny people, it is the media who keeps on dividing people (mainly women) with different body shapes and binding them against each other for profit. Not everyone has a plus-size body and not everyone is slim so it is necessary to have the different body shapes to be represented fairly, there is room for everyone.

  31. OXA says:

    The Lingerie companies are really stupid because most women are not stick thin and flat chested. In the U.K. nearly all chains have a wonderful broad selection of comfortable and fashionable bras etc in a much wider size range and cup sizes etc. Here in the States if yr bigger than a size 10 or C cup good luck finding stylish comfort for lingerie. Even Asda (Walmartin the UK) has an incredible selection and is raking in the dough. There are far more average size women that the market is not servicing so they are losing money.

  32. Lilias says:

    Stop stop stop and READ people. Comprehend and then comment.

    ABC didn’t want it shown during Dancing With the Stars. While Dancing With The Stars has sexy costumes, it’s a dance show and there is no innuendo there. They are just pretty costumes with glitter (sometimes they are hideous costumes with glitter). ABC is owned by Disney. While they do some questionable things, I don’t think ANY lingerie ad is appropriate on a Disney-sponsored channel.

    The real issue is with Fox and even then, it isn’t fact that they rejected the ad. It’s a he-said-she-said situation. Fox says they didn’t and Lane Bryant says they did.

    I’m inclined to believe that this “source” is a Lane Bryant exec who is trying to get them some attention for their new line of lingerie. I don’t have a problem with companies seeking out publicity but Fox may not have been perpetuating any kind of “double standard”.

    And beside all that, Victoria’s Secret ads are designed to look like women just posing and doing random shit in the lingerie. The ads are sexy but aren’t meant to be sexual-like the models aren’t off to go have sex with someone. They tend to be in fantasy situations (wind in the hair, lasers flashing, wearing angel wings, spinning around on the spot for whatever bizarre reason) whereas this woman is clearly sending the message: I am off to have sex and feel validated by my man because I’m wearing sexy lingerie.

  33. Just a B!@tch says:

    LILIAS – P.S.- are you as loose as a 25 year old piece of elastic??? going to eat lunch with a man doesn’t mean she’s going to have sex…

    so about that Disney comment… where does Jake Pavolka (sp? he’s new to the media whore circles) fall into Disney’s wonderful image of pantless men?

  34. bellaluna says:

    Lilias, are you seriously saying there was no innuendo in the blindfolded chick’s tango? Or in Pamela’s Marilyn Monroe shtick? Or in Pavelka’s missing pants? Or anything that comes out of that wacky judge’s mouth?

  35. Peach says:

    Huh.
    Interesting. What I take away from this malarkey is that:
    Curvier women are sexier.
    I mean if a smaller woman can show the same proportions of skin and not be considered to risque then that must mean the ‘real sized’ woman was just too much to handle. Too strong, too happy, too capable looking. Too sexy.
    Interesting how that works.

    And Lilas: Lasers make it less risque? Really? That’s your rebuttal? Lasers? Oy Vey.

  36. ! says:

    Heh I agree with you Peach. I guess a curvy woman is just so sexual, she can’t even be in her underwear on TV, it’s just too much to handle!

  37. Larissa says:

    yeah, my mom doesn´t wear big panties! lol

    the model is pretty, nothing against it, but the commercial is very non-appealing and so is the lingerie (that´s just me)
    Actually I think I know why it got banned, the lines … seriously why mention anyones mother on a lingerie commercial? hahaha

  38. jessica says:

    I dont see anything wrong with it.

  39. Lilias says:

    Peach, no lasers do not make it “less risque”. Lasers, as I said, make it fantasy. Who wanders around in the dark with lasers going off behind them, a wind machine blowing air in your face, and spinning on the spot?

    The point is, people can more readily associate the woman in the Lane Bryant ad directly with sex as opposed to the Victoria’s Secret Girls who are doing decidedly non-sexual things. Like wandering around in the dark with lasers going off.

    bellaluna, the difference is that it’s a tv show showing people doing stuff that normal folks don’t do. It’s fantasy. Tv isn’t real. Performance costumes have been and always will be more provocative than normal, day-by-day wear. The commercial tells women to walk outside and go for lunch with a man in a coat and lingerie which honestly, I find more risque than someone dancing in a costume on a television show.

  40. hoodiegirl says:

    Um, VS is completely sexual. lol That is the entire point of the brand, well except for maybe the Pink line.

    @ Larissa- Yeah, that blue nightie wasn’t very cute. lol

    So is LB trying to reinvent themselves? B/C when I think of LB, I think of it as an older woman’s store.

    Anyways, if they can air the VS commercials they should air the LB commercials.

  41. ligeia says:

    i don’t get it, this looks so much more tame than usual porny victoria secret ads with their models giving “fuck me” looks to the camera and looking like whores on the prowl(pardon my french). this lane bryant add just had a happy smiling woman who isn’t trying to be overtly sexy, why the hell did it get banned?
    lilas, have you even watched the victorias secret ad linked in the article? it has a girl bending over a pool table pushing her ass high up in the air looking like shes in porn ready to take one from behind, while other girls in the background slither around giving their best fuck me face to the camera, it is so much more sexualized than lane bryant add only the blind can not see it.

  42. Cheyenne says:

    Miah: I think it has to do with the idea that thinner models aren’t “real” women.
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    I had to laugh at that. A store near my old job advertised themselves as selling “REAL clothes for REAL women”. I stopped in there on my lunch break and they didn’t have a thing under size 10. I walked out empty-handed after informing the manager that us single-digit-size ladies are REAL women, too.

  43. original kate says:

    cheyenne: i am a size 7, but at one point i was a size 12 (i piled on weight after breaking my leg). it took me about 4 months to lose the extra weight after the cast came off, and during that time i became aware that there are way more clothing options being a “single digit size lady” than a size 12. i’m sure you have noticed that, too. so my question is why did you go into a plus sized store if you aren’t plus sized? and why did you have to be nasty to the sales staff? that seems uncalled for.

  44. k says:

    i will boycott abc disney and fox HORRIBLE

  45. Oi says:

    @Cheyanne: That same damn thing happened to me! I am a 4/6, which is actually the average woman’s size, according to B/M index.

    @original kate and OXA: That’s not the case at all where I shop. i have been heavy too (12-14). Especially in department stores, or in walmart trying to buy basic things like hanes underwear, tank tops etc.

    Random thought: Why isn’t there this big an outcry and argument about bikinis? Do I just miss it or what? Where are the plus sized bikini models?

  46. original kate says:

    “That same damn thing happened to me! I am a 4/6, which is actually the average woman’s size, according to B/M index.”

    according to the DOH, the average american woman is 5’4″ tall and weighs 140 pounds – that does not translate to a size 4. my point to cheyenne was why go into a plus sized store if you are a size 4? obviously there won’t be any clothes that will fit. and there’s no need to be snotty to the sales clerk, in any case.

  47. standard MO says:

    “and why did you have to be nasty to the sales staff?”

    because that’s her MO. she’s nasty to anyone who doesn’t share her viewpoint. and though it was most likely NOT the manager who conceived of and named the store, that was the closest person to who she could pour out her bitterness and anger/resentment.

    and make no mistake, she’ll respond to you directly, this time, and for as long as you post to her. because that’s ALSO part of her MO…to ALWAYS HAVE THE LAST WORD. she’ll come back to a post days later to see if anyone responded to what she posted and then respond to get her last word.

    and why do I know this? BECAUSE SHE’S ON ALMOST EVERY DAMN THREAD ACTING LIKE HER OPINION IS THE “CORRECT” ONE.

    My advice is to not even engage her because you’ll be sorry. you’ll get a scolding and/or chastising for your “bitterness”, or “projection”, and then she’ll make some snide comment about your person.

    meanwhile, she conveniently ignores her own posts that indicate her own “bitterness” or “projection”. see, OTHER PEOPLE’S negative posts indicate those things, but not HERS.

    she’s always right and you DAMN WELL BETTER ACCEPT IT!

    Case in point…

    http://www.celebitchy.com/98602/ok_mag_brangelina_will_marry_because_zahara_shiloh_demanded_it/

    see how many “responses” she’s got on this thread. and how she ABSOLUTELY MUST have the last word.

  48. Huma says:

    Lilias – dancing is INHERENTLY laden with innuendo. Dancing is a vertical expression of a horizontal desire, badly paraphrased from the late and great George Bernard Shaw.

    So yeah, I saw that point you made and just stopped reading because I knew it wasn’t going to be worth it. And skimming over the rest of the comments regarding your post, I can see a few other slips in logic as well.

    Also, ABC claims that LB is making all this up for publicity and that the ad was accepted. Just for a little update on this sitch. 😛

    As for me, whatever. I like both ads. Both women are sexy. Yeah, I’m sick of the vapidity in the VS ads, but that’s typical and sadly the name of the game for them.

    And can I just rant about being a tiny, slim little girl boasting (HA!) an A cup? >:( Because I hate it. I can’t find bras in my size at all. Well, VS has them. Thankfully. But only for a very small number of their bras. LAME.

  49. original kate says:

    @ huma: i feel your pain; i am barely a B cup and have alot of trouble finding nice bras in my size. i don’t like VS bras because they seem cheaply made and tend to fall apart – at least that’s been my experience. i shop for bras online at bare necessities – they have a very wide range and cute styles.

  50. kim says:

    so it’s okay for titless chicks to hold their hands in front of their nipples, but it’s not okay for bra wearing hot chicks because they have clevege?

    I really so no difference in the VS ads and LB ads.

  51. Aitch says:

    IT is flat out hypocrisy is what it is. They are tons of “worse,” stuff on TV all over the place.

  52. t says:

    I agree with Lilias…the source is Lane Bryant trying to generate some interest in the new lingerie by creating some controversy.

  53. Melanie says:

    Standard MO. AMEN SISTER! I feel abused!

  54. Mel says:

    It seems the goal is to keep ALL women at constant odds with themselves as well as with each other. God forbid we all feel good about ourselves regardless of our shape or size. If you’re thin…you must have an eating disorder. If you’re round…you’re obese. Women without breasts wear padded bras or buy a new set from the friendly local plastic surgeon, women with ample breasts put on minimizers or visit that same surgeon for a reduction. It’s insane! Healthy comes in many sizes as does sexy…look in the mirror and love the woman that looks back. Then it really doesn’t matter what the advertisers, the networks, or others have to say.

  55. tara says:

    what’s so wrong with boobs anyway?

  56. Majosha says:

    Standard MO: I second Melanie’s “Amen.” Your summed Chey up perfectly, and for that, I’m gonna do a shot of Jack in your honor.

  57. Paula says:

    I thought the LB commercial was more tasteful and discreet than the VS commercial. What gives?

  58. Emily says:

    Thank you, standard MO!

    Majosha: care to have a shot in MO’s honour for me? I’m at work and alcohol deprived.

  59. Hannah says:

    I agree that cheyenne didn’t need to go into a plus size womens store and complain to the manager of the store, there is a point there. the new campaign of “real women have curves” is detrimental to girls and women. i’m a real woman, and i don’t have curves. and i can’t do anything about it. gatsbygal said exactly what seems to be the new thinking

    The VS ads aren’t as bad because their bodies are more like 12 year old boys than an actual woman

    I’m not an actual woman, because i’m thin naturally. and its easier to buy clothes if your thin? are you kidding? i can never! find clothes for cheap. sure, i could buy designer clothes, but try to find pants that fit a 24X32…its next to impossible without paying a premium.

    that said, i don’t think one was any more inappropriate than the other…i just hate the “real women have curves thing” why cant it be real women come in all sizes?

  60. abbydoom says:

    UGH I am so sick of fat women bashing skinny women. We are just as NATURAL and “real” as you! Jesus Christ work on your own self-esteem instead of hating women that are skinnier than you! It’s not going to make skinny women fat and yourself skinny! It’s just going to make everyone hate your fat ass.

  61. Majosha says:

    Emily: It’d be my pleasure. One more shot for Standard MO down the hatch!

  62. Amoosed says:

    I totally thought she was Eva Mendes!!! Whoever the model is – she is gorgeous! (the raincoat was a bit too boxy though…)

  63. joanie says:

    how rediculous people saying these women are showing too much, LOL! just because they have more flesh doesn’t mean they are showing more of the privates than the skinny models, I think people makin these remarks are perhpas just idiots, or making money off of skinny models, I am not skinny, nor plus I am a size 8.. so . quite frankly, neither of these models should not be on t.v. if they are showing too much. this country has gone way too far, esp in being hypoctritical..

  64. lucy2 says:

    I just saw that Fox is going to air it now.
    It would be nice if this sort of thing wasn’t so controversial – models should reflect women, and women come in all shapes and sizes. Both of those women look good in the products they’re selling, and that should be all that matters.

  65. Cheyenne says:

    @kate: The store didn’t advertise itself as a plus-size store. The mannequins in the window weren’t plus-size mannequins. They said “REAL clothes for REAL women. So I figure REAL women come in all sizes. When I couldn’t find anything under a size 10 I asked if they carried any smaller sizes and they said no. So I said okay, but don’t forget REAL women come in size 2, 4, 6 and 8 too. We both shared a laugh over that even though she didn’t make a sale.
    ________________________________________

    @Standard MO: Would you like me to throw you a chunk of cheese to go with that whine?
    ________________________________________

    @oi: Kate is right. The average American size is 12 or 14.

  66. Laura says:

    (I have not read all the comments so forgive me if I’m repeating something)
    Am I the only one who doesn’t think the LB model is ‘plus size’? I’m 5’5 and 115 lbs, so I imagine my view would be considered skewed…but seriously. She’s got a larger frame and wide hips, plus huge knockers, but her tummy is flat. What gives?

  67. Daniel says:

    Wow! That women is gorgeous! (The curvy one!) No problem, she can have lunch with me anytime!

  68. Aspen says:

    Yep…because large breast = “dirty.” It’s always like that. In the hot summer, if I wear a tank top, everyone stares at me like I’ve left the house in my underwear. Smaller-breasted women wear them all the time and no one even notices.

    It’s been that way since these things popped out of my chest in the 8th grade (I was a very late bloomer), and I’ve gotten used to it. It’s a horrible double standard, and this ad is nowhere near the first (and won’t be the last) time you see this.

    It’s why I like C. Hendricks so much. She’s the first woman I’ve ever seen in mainstream magazines with a body like mine who wasn’t being called fat or slutty…just for having large boobs.

  69. Oi says:

    @Original Kate: Sorry, phrased that badly. I didn’t mean to say that I am the size of am average American woman, i meant to say that I personally am an average body size according to my BMI. I am 5′ 7″ and weigh about 135-140. That makes my BMI 21.1 to 21.9, and a 4-6 size usually. That is an average healthy body weight. I am not skinny, but I’m not heavy. I am average to my body, not to the population. Sorry for the confusion.

  70. Wiley says:

    Hey, this is not just a woman’s problem. All clothing now appears to be tailored to tweens and teens and the rest of us can’t find anything to buy. I’m a middle-aged male and have the same problems as you women. I’ve walked the mall numerous times and there just aren’t any clothes for adult males except jeans and polo shirts and I have a closet full of them that I’ve been wearing for 10-20 yrs. One table of polo shirts, one rack of dress shirts, and rack upon rack of shirts with skate boards, bicycles, skulls, and satan on them. My waist hasn’t varied by more than 1-2″ over the years but I’ve gone from med to lg and now sometimes XL to find anything that fits me. We’ll all be walking around naked soon if this keeps up.

    By the way, I know several people who work phone orders for VS and they apparently have a sig number of gay males ordering their products so they stock the larger sizes but don’t advertise that fact. Strange world!

  71. original kate says:

    cheyenne: “We both shared a laugh over that even though she didn’t make a sale.”

    that’s not at all the way you presented this story originally. your first post made it sound like you told off the sales staff for not having clothes that fit you and stomped out empty handed; then you changed the story when i called you on it. either way, i’m not sure what the point was. you seem offended that plus sized gals have stores of their own. or whatever.

  72. Calvin says:

    I agree with most of what everyone has said here, and I am not going to restate it. I just wanted to add that she is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen on TV or anywhere else.

  73. Cheyenne says:

    LOL @ kate. Where did I say I “stomped off” empty-handed? I left without buying anything because there was nothing in my size. If the store had advertised itself as carrying plus-sized clothes only, I wouldn’t have gone in there. Actually, they aren’t a plus-size-only store; they carry sizes 10 and up. I don’t call sizes 10 through 16 plus sizes.

    As for being offended that plus-size women have their own stores, you said that, not me. I thnk it’s great they have stores like that because a lot of the department stores don’t carry much in the way of sizes 12 and up, and some boutiques don’t carry anything over a size 12.

    The stores stock what sells, or what they think sells. Sometimes when I go shopping all the 4’s and 6’s (my sizes) are gone and all that’s left are 2, 8, 10 and 12.

  74. california angel says:

    The lane bryant one is just way less editing and use of flashy colors to dilute the fact that all their (Victoria’s) models pretty much look the same. Look how much more make-up they have to wear to seem femimine though…I think the lane bryant one is much more realistic and “natural”. Also, that chick doesnt look that different from me in lingerie and I’m a size 7 so what the hell is plus sized these days anyways? grrr

    edit: Oh and i really like that pink bra so cute

  75. original kate says:

    @ cheyenne: what are you on about?

  76. K says:

    Guys, COMPLAIN to ABC. You need to go to them and voice your opinions, not just voice them on a third party website. The public outcry and pressure on them WILL make waves!

  77. samlei72 says:

    that’s how business runs.. V.S. is a giant in terms of lingerie and underwear business and seldom can say no to them.

  78. BodaciousRedd says:

    Okay, I get it. To be honest both women are beautiful, everyone has their own tastes in what they like and don’t like. As for the young lady who said that all fat women hate skinny ones, I wonder who made you so upset. I am a plus sized woman who works out daily to get healthier and at no time have I ever spent my day talking about how much I hate skinny women. No One in this world is so important that others will take time out of their day to hate on them. I must admit I must be getting old because I still don’t see how a size 12 is considered plus sized. It really doesn’t matter if you like the VS model or the LB model all that matters is at the end of the day is that you like yourself.