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Aug 5
'08
Drew Barrymore: Cameron Diaz is like a naive big sister to me


Drew and Cameron in February, 2007 heading home from their Hawaii vacation. Credit: Bauer Griffin
33 year-old actress Drew Barrymore has an interview with British Magazine Look in which she talks about her long friendship with Cameron Diaz, 35. Drew says that Cameron is a great friend and very supportive, but also says that Cameron is more naive and less wise than she is. She stops short of calling her a ditz, though:

“What’s helped me is having really good friends I know I can rely on,” she told the British Magazine Look. “Cameron Diaz is one of the greatest friend anyone can ever have. She has so much love to give. We also support each other through the bad times. I’ve always felt like she’s my big sister, but at the same time I know that sometimes I’m wiser and a bit less naive than she is. We just spend so much time having fun and laughing together. That’s what true friendship is about.

[From Star Magazine, print edition, August 11, 2008]

Star also has some more quotes from Drew about her difficult childhood growing up with a mother who let her do whatever she wanted and a father who was losing his faculties. From the way they work them into the article they seem like they’re from an old interview, and I was able to find the original full quote but it’s unsourced:

I’ve never really understood how I should feel or behave in a relationship… I didn’t have the kind of childhood or family life that would have given me any perspective on what a happy home life or relationship would feel like. My father was literally out of his mind and my mother was more like a friend than a real mom to me. She would take me out to clubs and I wound up feeling like part of this very unreal kind of world, although that was the only world I ever knew growing up”

[From TV.com]

Let me know if you can figure out when she said that. It’s possible it’s part of the Look interview, but I would guess it’s from an older story.

That’s nice that Drew acknowledges that Diaz is a good friend to her, even if she seems to call her goofy and not as worldly as she is. Drew might be wiser than Diaz in some things, but she can be pretty naive when it comes to guys. She seems like she jumps into relationships head first and has trouble working through problems once reality sets in. Drew has been married twice, with her longest marriage lasting all of three months. She’s been in long term relationships since though, so at least she’s not marrying each of her boyfriends. Maybe Cameron can give Drew some advice on how to play the field without going too fast.

Posted in Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore, Friends

Written by Celebitchy         9 Comments »
Jul 2
'08
Is “Friends” finally coming to the big screen? (update: probably not)

Rumors have abounded since Friends ended its successful ten year run in 2004 that the cast would make a movie. Every so often one of the cast members would admit they’ve been talking about it, but there was always one holdout, who no one would ever name. Sometimes they’d claim it was one of the guys, though it was often rumored to be Jennifer Aniston.

Supposedly they’re really going to make the film now, inspired by the success (and I’m guessing the money) of the recent Sex & the City film.

The highly anticipated film production of TV series Friends has finally been given the go-ahead, MailOnline has learned. The actors have been inspired by the recent success of Sex And The City, which recently hit cinemas worldwide. A source said: ‘Jennifer, Courteney and the rest of the cast are keen to reprise their roles, under the right circumstances.

‘The box office success of Sex And The City has really got their wheels spinning about how a Friends film could be just as big, if done right. Timing and the script are really important, but now that Courteney and Jen both have production companies, they can potentially get very involved in those decisions.’

While Cox, 44, LeBlanc, 40, Perry, 39, Kudrow, 45 and Schwimmer, 41, were believed to be keen on the reunion, Aniston, 39, is believed to have dragged her heels. Now, however, she is keen to move ahead with the project, which will be produced by Warner Bros. ‘She says she and Courteney have already talked this summer about what they want out of a Friends movie, and if deals can be made with them, everything else can fall into place rather quickly.

[From the Daily Mail]

It sounds like things are as close to happening as they’ve ever been. But when the same rumor has been floating around for four years, it’s hard to tell when/if it’s actually become legitimate. Even though Jennifer Aniston is probably the biggest star from the show, I think all of them could benefit from a successful film. The Daily Mail pointed out that Aniston has had a few okay movies, but she’s still much better known for her personal life than her great movie career. And I’m pretty sure that at this point, Matt LeBlanc should take whatever he can get.

It seemed like there was a bit of a Friends backlash right after the series finale. Suddenly everyone was claiming they never found it funny. Television comedies have really moved in a different direction since then. There are very few traditional sitcoms left on the air – and almost none of them are filmed in front of a live audience anymore. It’ll be interesting to see if people still find the show’s brand of humor funny. Something tells me that no matter what, it won’t compare to the financial success of the Sex & the City film.

Update by Celebitchy: A representative for Warner Brothers has denied that there’s a Friends movie in the works, saying “(There’s) no truth in the story.” Courteney Cox and Matthew Perry’s spokespeople have also denied that there’s a Friends movie being planned. [Details From SFGate]

Posted in Courteney Cox, David Schwimmer, Friends, Jennifer Aniston, Lisa Kudrow, Matt LeBlanc, Matthew Perry, Movies

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Mar 4
'08
Katie Holmes insulted Victoria Beckham by calling tattoos trashy

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Katie Holmes and Victoria Beckham in Paris. October, 2006
It’s been a while since Katie Holmes and Victoria Beckham have been seen out together spending their husbands’ money on overpriced clothing they’ll wear for a fraction of a day. Star offers a potential explanation for their maybe-rift in the form of “insider information” that’s likely to be completely fabricated, but is too good to pass up. Katie is said to have called tattoos “trashy,” and since Victoria Beckham enjoys decorating her twig-like limbs with permanent ink, she is said to have found that comment particularly insulting:

It’s arctic between Katie Holmes and her fashion mentor, Victoria “Posh Spice” Beckham, and a source tells Star that it’s all because of a tattoo! Thrilled with her latest tat [on the inside of her wrist] of the Latin phrase “De Integro” - it means “afresh” - Posh urged BFF Katie to get inked herself. Posh, who got this fifth one to mark her new start in the U.S., “was pretty shocked and upset” when the Mad Money actress called such body art trashy, says the source.

[From Star Magazine, print edition, March 10, 2008]

You can see Katie Holmes saying this. She dresses and acts like an old lady, it’s not a stretch to claim she thinks like one too. (Although people of all ages think tattoos are trashy.)

Katie and Victoria famously attended Paris Fashion Week together in October, 2006, and spent time in Paris again in January, 2007. Apart from some get-togethers with their husbands they haven’t spent a lot of time together since. The last we heard of the Cruises and Beckhams together was in early December, 2006 2007 when Tom and Katie took Suri to a Spice Girls concert. Maybe they just aren’t best buddies. Or maybe Katie did insult Victoria - by copping her look and then calling her former good friend’s body art “trashy.”

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Posted in Friends, Katie Holmes, Victoria Beckham

Written by Celebitchy         See post for comments
Feb 7
'08
Jennifer Aniston is gifted a $12,000 bike from Courteney Cox


Obviously those pictures of Jennifer Aniston with the teeny, tiny little belly (and great legs) with the associated baby bump speculation have gotten her worried about her figure – she’s taken up cycling, with a little help from Courteney Cox.

Courteney Cox has bought Jennifer Aniston a $12,000 Chanel bicycle.

The actress bought her ‘Friends’ pal the expensive pushbike after she expressed an interest taking up cycling.

A source close to the star said: “Jennifer said she wanted to start bike riding because it’s such good exercise. So Courteney sent her the new, ultra-chic Chanel bicycle.”

The bike features eight speeds, weighs 36lbs and comes complete with a quilted leather seat and saddlebag emblazoned with the famous Chanel ‘CC’ logo.

The source continued: “Courteney only sent Jennifer the bike two weeks ago but she already loves it! She goes out riding all the time.”

Sydney Morning Herald

Some friends are better than others – pun intended. Courteney Cox and Jennifer Aniston seem to have a friendship that is going to last for all their lives, which is a very valuable thing. Perhaps even more valuable than a Chanel bike. Who even knew Chanel made bikes? Do they make those horrid bike pants from the 90s still? I would love to ride around town on my Hello Kitty bike (jealous of my wheels?) with a big linked C on my behind. That would be very attractive indeed.

In other Jen news, it seems that the whole world is speculating that she is either devastated about Angelina Jolie’s pregnancy, or it doesn’t matter to her. I’m leaning on the side of not caring, since she’s probably had three years and four other children to get used to the whole concept of ‘my ex-husband has a family with someone else’. I’m sure she read the news and felt a little pang of regret or sadness, because that is only human, but somehow I can’t imagine Jen sobbing in a corner. Her life seems pretty good to me – particularly if those Jason Lewis rumours are true.

Picture note by Celebitchy: Aniston is shown in Vancouver, Canada on the set of “Travelers” on 1/14/08, thanks to Splash.

Posted in Brangelina, Courteney Cox, Friends, Jennifer Aniston

Written by Helen         See post for comments
Jan 30
'08
Ashley Tisdale and Vanessa Hudgens talk about their friendship

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The current issue of US Weekly features “Secrets of the New Power Girls” on the cover and has details inside about teen sensations like Miley Cyrus, Ashley Tisdale, Vanessa Hudgens and Rihanna. There’s a cute inset article in which Vanessa and Ashley, stars of the mega hit Disney special High School Musical, dish about their friendship. They say they love shopping and going to pilates classes together and that they are just good friends without any kind of rivalry that’s so common in Hollywood:

You two are super-close. What makes your bond so strong?
Ashley: I call her my twin sister. She’s always there for me. Some people are really competitive; we’re not. We’re really supportive of each other. You don’t find that a lot in this business.
Vanessa: We were never competitive in any way, shape or form. We completely understand each other. She’s a lot of fun, and she’s just grounded.

What do you like to do when you hang out together?
Vanessa: What do girls like to do together? Shop!
Ashley: Vanessa took me to get my first pair of Christian Louboutins. I love them!

Do you ever share clothes?
Vanessa: We totally do! It’s awesome. I still have my Uggs at her house. I’m like, “I need them back!” she’s like, “I can’t find your other show.”

What else do you share?
Vanessa: We go to pilates a lot. We just went this morning, and I’m really sore right now.

[From US Weekly, print edition, February 4, 2008]

It’s refreshing that they talk about having fun shopping together and going to pilates. Ashley Tisdale is 22 and of age to drink, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen her at a Hollywood club or bar, and she would be welcome at the hottest places. Although Vanessa is just 19 she probably would be able to sneak into some clubs, but it doesn’t seem like she’s even tried. Hudgens had that naked photo scandal but the pictures weren’t that provocative and just featured her nude standing around. Overall these two have been good examples of how to have a relatively normal young adult life in the spotlight, and it seems like that’s what US is focusing on in the light of all the public problems that the Spears girls and some other former child stars have been facing recently.

US also has separate interviews with best friends Vanessa and Ashley. Vanessa reveals that she doesn’t like her littlest fans following her around and that helps her realize she’s too young for marriage and children:

Though she’s dating fellow HSM sensation Zac Efron, 20, don’t expect wedding bells any time soon. “I’m way too young,” says the star… And forget about kids. “Right now, I do not like kids at all,” she says. “I love my fans and everything, but when you have little kids following you around all day, it’s like, ‘Oh, God, kids!’ Maybe when I get older that will change.”

[From US Weekly, print edition, February 4, 2008]

Vanessa says that one of the prices of fame is that she can’t wear casual clothing outside the house anymore. She wishes she could schlup around in sweats, but says she doesn’t “want to be caught wearing a nasty old shirt!”

In Ashley’s interview she reveals that she’s excited about a new Barbie doll of herself that’s coming out. She already has an HSM dolll, and says of the upcoming Barbie that “This one really looks like me!” She says her “face is 200 percent [sic] better now” after her nose job “to fix a deviated septum.” US also has a nice blurb about how Ashley met Celine Dion, who told her “Thank you for being such a positive role model for my son!” Ashley is currently dating backup dancer Jared Murillo, and is at work recording her second CD.

Ashley and Vanessa will next appear together in High School Musical 3: Senior Year, which is currently in pre-production and is scheduled to come out in theaters on October 24, 2008.

Vanessa Hudgens and Ashley Tisdale are shown on 11/19/07 at the High School Musical 2 DVD Premiere, thanks to PRPhotos.

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Posted in Ashley Tisdale, Friends, Vanessa Anne Hudgens

Written by Celebitchy         See post for comments
Jan 28
'08
50 Cent says Eminem is not doing as poorly as people think

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Everyone was wondering what’s going on with Eminem since he suffered a recent heath scare and hasn’t been photographed in over a year. He was hospitalized over the holidays in his native Detroit with pneumonia and heart problems. Sources say the 5′7″ rapper/actor weighs over 200 pounds, which is borderline obese for his height. His friend 50 Cent says he’s doing ok, and that reports of his poor health are exaggerated. 50 was interviewed at Sundance, where he announced that he will be starting a production company with the support of Vitaminwater, in which he owned a stake before it was sold to Coca Cola. He was said to have earned $100 million from the sale of the company.

50 Cent is trying his hand behind the camers. “I’m starting a production company right now,” the mogul, who was celebrating his first trip to the Sundance Film Festival, tells In Touch. “I decided to come out here to announce my film career, and Vitaminwater is behind me all the way.” The rapper also spoke out in support of his mentor and friend Eminem… “I got a chance to see him a few weeks ago and people think he is in a worse state than he actually is.”

[From In Touch, print edition, February 4, 2008]

We published what we thought was one of the first pictures of Eminem looking heavy. The National Enquirer labeled the photo “Now” and included no disclaimer that it was a photo reproduction. It was actually a picture from a series taken in March, 2006 and was Photoshopped by the Enquirer to make Eminem’s face look fat. We were not aware that the image was altered until commentors pointed it out to us. Eminem’s grandmother dished to the press the Enquirer that he’s stressed from his two failed marriages to ex-wife Kim and wanted to create a stable home life for his daughter, Hailie, 12. Eminen is said to be binging on take out food and overeating at chain restaurants.

Hopefully Eminem will get his heath back on track soon. He has a new album coming out sometime this year. Get well soon, Em, people want to see you perform again and a few extra pounds don’t matter.

50 Cent is shown in the header image on 9/13/07 on the 5 Borough Tour, thanks to PRPhotos. Eminem and 50 Cent are shown below in an image that’s a few years old, thanks to 50CentOnline.com.

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Posted in 50 Cent, Eminem, Friends, Health, Music

Written by Celebitchy         See post for comments
Dec 10
'07
Demi Moore, best birthing coach in the entire universe


Who would ever have thought Demi Moore was the supportive, maternal type? I know she has kids, but she seems more the type to hatch them in a lab than actually grow them in her womb. But apparently Demi is not just maternal, but a super-wonderful birthing coach. To Soleil Moon Frye. Yeah, Punky Brewster. That seems random, right? Every so often “People” will do some story about how such and such actress is best friends with this other actress and has been for ten years, even though you’ve never once heard them mention the other. Apparently Demi Moore and Soleil Moon Frye are BFF, and Demi was Soleil’s birthing coach during the delivery of her first child. And know that Soleil is about to have her second, she’s hoping Demi’s still on board.

When Soleil Moon Frye delivers her second child, she may once again have a comforting – and famous – friend at her side: Demi Moore. “This one,” Frye, 31, told PEOPLE on Thursday, pointing to Moore at the grand opening of Frye’s eco-friendly baby boutique The Little Seed, “she’s the queen mama. She’s the most incredible mom.”

But Moore, 45, who was there with Frye when the Punky Brewster star gave birth to her daughter two years ago, says Frye “is doing just fine.” And will Moore, a mother of three, return to the delivery room for Frye next year? “I hope so!” Moore told PEOPLE. “We got to keep the team together.”

“Are you kidding?” chimes in Frye, “She’s the best birthing coach in the entire universe.”

[From People]

That’s just very, very random. It’s like finding out Rosanne and Hilary Duff are best friends. Apparently the two met when Frye’s husband, Jason Goldberg, produced “Punk’d” – the classy, sophisticated show hosted by Ashton Kutcher. And the bond must have pretty tight, to let Demi Moore into the room when you’re pushing humans out of you. Somehow Demi’s presence seems about as comforting and reassuring as having a ten-foot-tall praying mantis in the room, screaming “Push, damn it, or I will snap your head off with my claws!” I have no idea of praying mantises do that, but I’m pretty sure that a Demi Moore/praying mantis hybrid would. And then she would bring you a lovely bassinet from Petit Tresor, because let’s face it, she’s still Demi Moore and must hand out a decent amount of swag to get people to tolerate her.

Picture note by Celebitchy: Soleil Moon Frye is shown at the Environmental Media Awards on 10/24/2007. Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher are shown at the Planet Hollywood Resort and Casino Grand Opening on 11/17/07. Thanks to PRPhotos.

Posted in Babies, Demi Moore, Friends, Pregnant, Soleil Moon Frye

Written by JayBird         See post for comments
Nov 20
'07
Jennifer Aniston and Courtney Cox not speaking; Aniston reaches out to Brad


Jennifer Aniston and Courtney Cox are said to have had a huge falling out when Cox couldn’t make it to visit Aniston on set in Oregon where she’s filming. Aniston is working on the movie Management with Woody Harrelson and Steve Zahn, and she’s out in the small town of Madras staying at a hotel without room service that looks like a no-frills adequate three star. She’s said to avoid hanging out with her costars after work, and is supposedly lonely.

Star Magazine reports that she asked Courtney to come visit her and to bring her daughter Coco along and Courtney had to say no because her husband David Arquette didn’t want her to go without him. This supposedly made Jen tell Courtney that she wasn’t being a decent friend, Courtney said Jen was acting selfish, and now they’re not speaking:

Things came to a head when Jen asked Courteney and her 3-year-old daughter, Coco, to come see her on the set. But Courteney’s husband, David Arquette, didn’t really want them to go, says another source, and that set Jen off.

“She called Courteney from Portland,” says a source. “She’d had a bad day on the set and wanted to talk about it. She was hoping Courteney might come to Oregon to see her. But when Courteney told her it wasn’t a good time, Jen lost it. She broke down and screamed that Courteney wasn’t supportive and never makes time for her anymore.

“Courteney was blown away. She feels like all she ever does is listen to Jennifer whine…

“Courteney told Jen that she was being selfish. But Jen didn’t want to hear it and slammed down the phone. They haven’t talked since.

[From Star Magazine, print edition, November 26, 2007]

Of course this means that Aniston has been contacting her ex, Brad Pitt. Star claims that they’ve been “exchanging a flurry of e-mails for weeks,” and that Aniston is being flirty in e-mail. But then they push this questionable tale to the limit by adding that they’ve been talking on the phone too. If Brad and Jen were really talking on the phone, why didn’t Star lead with that tidbit instead of focusing on the e-mails first? It all sounds a bit suspect, like most of the other cover stories about the long-dead Brad/Angelina/Jen triangle.

She’s really winning Brad’s heart with her e-mails. She knows Angelina Jolie doesn’t have much of a sense of humor, so she makes her e-mails to Brad extremely entertaining. She’s flirting. She’s like Meg Ryan with Tom Hanks in You’ve Got Mail. She’s opening up her heart and trying to build a bond.”

Besides pouring out her heart in her messages, Jen has also been talking shop with her ex, the friend reveals.

“Brad wants to help her with her career,” says the pal, “and Jen has even suggested a private meeting. I think she asked him to visit her in Oregon, but that’s totally unrealistic. If Brad flew out there, it would look just awful to Angie - and to the whole world.

[From Star Magazine, print edition, November 26, 2007]

All that sounds like total bullshit to me, but it could be true that Aniston and Cox are fighting. You could see single Aniston getting upset when Cox doesn’t drop everything to be with her. As for the supposed e-mails and phone calls with Pitt, it’s doubtful.

Header image is of Aniston and Cox together at the Dirt premiere on 12/10/06, thanks to Splash News. They are shown below in an older image at the SAG Awards on 3/9/03, thanks to PRPhotos.

Posted in Brad Pitt, Courteney Cox, Fake News, Feuds, Friends, Jennifer Aniston, Photos

Written by Celebitchy         See post for comments
Aug 31
'07
David Schwimmer slams British food

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David Schwimmer has been in the UK on and off for the last year or doing a play and directing a movie. Though he seems very fond of the England, he’s not so big on the food.

“David Schwimmer was disgusted by British food during his recent stay in the country. The former Friends star criticized the nation’s cuisine after spending time in the country for his role in West End production Some Girl(s) in 2005 and directing his latest movie Run, Fat Boy, Run in London earlier this year.

“He says, ‘You guys deep-fry everything. Even healthy British food like Shepherd’s Pie makes you put on 20 pounds after every meal.’’

[From Starpulse]

I know I’m going to get yelled at, but I’m going to have to agree. When I was last in the UK I was traveling around on a student’s budget, so there wasn’t really much of an opportunity for fine dining, so my experience was obviously limited. But I’ve never experienced such consistently heavy, potato-based food in my life. Starches on top of starches. Why would someone want pasta with a side of potatoes? I haven’t eaten a baked potato since. Schwimmer also stated his love of the country - specifically his love of the British ladies.

“David Schwimmer has said that he is more then willing to put his career on hold for love.

“He tells Britain’s Cosmopolitan magazine that ‘I look at someone like Courteney Cox and see how happy she is, but I’ve always put work first and now I have no wife and no family. My mom would love to see me settled, as she thinks it will make my life complete.’

“He said American girls need not apply!

“David said that he is looking for a wife in London. David went on to say that ‘I do like British girls especially their sense of humour.’

[From Product Reviews]

Let’s hope Schwimmer’s not so old-fashioned that he expects his wife to cook for him, or it’ll be a lifetime of blood sausage and jacket potatoes. I can’t imagine any girl being attracted to him for him – he just seems so Ross Gellar. I’d forever be handing him dinosaur bones (I’d have to pick some up first) in an attempt to make him happy.

Picture note by JayBird: Here’s David (not exactly trying to distance himself from the Ross Gellar look) at the Annual Drama League Awards Ceremony. Header image of David at the RSVP to Help Benefit for Habitat for Humanity benefit in January. Images thanks to PR Photos.

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Posted in David Schwimmer, Food, Friends, Movies, Television, U.K.

Written by JayBird         See post for comments
Aug 30
'07
Jennifer Aniston is good to her friends

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As much as I like Angelina and Brad, I still like Jennifer Aniston too. I don’t feel I have to choose, though the three of them keep yelling at me to pick, and screaming about my “divided loyalties.” Or maybe I need to take more Xanax. But I’ve decided that I can love them all, because all three have good things going for them. Angelina tries to save/adopt the world, Brad has his New Orleans/love of spartan architecture, and Jennifer takes her friends on fancy vacations. All good things here. According to Star, Jen is quite the sugar mama, and her friends are very loyal to her and appreciative of it.

“‘Jennifer pays for everything all the time,’ insider tells Star. ‘If she plans a vacation, you know she’s footing the bill for her entire entourage. Jen’s assistant books it all. The planes, the cars, the hotels, the meals, the activities, the spa services, the clothes they wear on vacation, the cocktails – it’s so over the top! She’s like the sugar daddy everyone wishes they had, except she’s a woman! You could call her sugar mama!’

“Among the girls who’ve enjoyed luxury getaways courtesy of their de-pocketed [sic] pal: Actress Andrea Bendewald, who’s been close to Jennifer for more than a decade; movie producer Kristin Hahn, who broke off her working relationship with Brad Pitt after he divorced Jen, and yoga instructor Mandy Ingber, who bonded with Jen this summer during private yoga sessions at Jen’s Malibu home. On August 11, she took her posse to the swanky Ojai Valley Inn & Spa, an hour north of L.A. The benevolent beauty also splashes out on Cartier watches and spends thousands on baby gifts for her mommy pals.

“But is her open-pocket policy costing Jen her happiness? ‘Her friends really enjoy themselves, but I bet they’re afraid that she’ll find a serious boyfriend,’ the insider says. ‘That means no more free trips for them – and that’s why they seem to be hard on her dates. I’m sure they were brutal with her last boyfriend, Paul Sculfor.’”

[From Starpulse]

So now I just have to figure out a way to ingratiate myself to Jennifer Aniston. Seriously, it would suck if her friends were uber-critical of her boyfriends to keep Jen to herself, but I doubt that’s the truth. I’m sure she’d catch on after awhile. The article does make it sound like she’s basically bribing her friends to hang out with her. I would bet she likes to have a good time and knows that she can afford it, while it’s more of a strain on some of her friends. One (or some) of them is blabbing to someone, since a lot of her dirt seems to get out. But like I said before, I think most of the stuff written about her is tabloid conjecture. I think she’s made a pretty full life for herself based on her friends instead of a guy, and that’s great. And if she wants to make me her friend and take me to Paris with her, even better.

Picture note by JayBird: Here’s Jen on vacation in Hawaii with Courtney Cox this past weekend. Something tells me Courtney footed her own bill. Header image of Jennifer and Courtney in Malibu this summer. Images thanks to Splash Photos.

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Posted in Friends, Jennifer Aniston, Money

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