Tom Cruise turns 50 today (happy birthday?), and as we discussed last week — immediately before news of Katie Holmes’ divorce filing broke — Tom had planned to spend his big milestone day on the set of Oblivion. At the time, he claimed that he spent lots of birthdays on set and that he and his family “have an understanding on that matter.” Since the tide has fully turned and Katie obviously isn’t putting up with such “understandings” any longer, Tom’s camp has changed their story. Possibly, People has decided to feel sorry for Tom too, which is a quick shift from yesterday’s cover story that appeared to side with Katie. Now People makes it sound like the plan (all along) was for Katie to visit Tom in Iceland today, and all of his hopes have now been dashed. Poor Tom:
This was not how Tom Cruise envisioned marking a milestone. The movie superstar had made plans to celebrate his 50th birthday in Iceland Tuesday with his wife of five years, Katie Holmes, by enjoying the country’s outdoor wonders. “Iceland is beautiful,” Cruise told PEOPLE several weeks ago. “We like hiking, and so we’ll have some nice hikes and maybe go camping.”
But everything changed last week when Holmes, 33, caught Cruise by surprise and filed for divorce in New York, then moved out of their apartment, taking daughter Suri, 6, with her.
[From People]
That’s not all though. Us Weekly not only reports that Tom has taken a break from filming Oblivion but has decided to leave Iceland for his birthday. Their sources say that he’s headed for California, but Kaiser thinks it’s possible that he’s gone to New York City instead. I can see Tom thinking it would be possible to swoop into town and change Katie’s mind about divorce, but I have a feeling that Katie’s absolutely had enough of Tom’s grand romantic gestures. Still, can you see him standing outside her new Chelsea apartment (shown below) and belting out “You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling?”
In further TomKat divorce news, Radar Online has provided us with yet another example on how our girl prepared for her future. Radar’s source says that Katie was always very guarded during auditing sessions and was quite careful to not give the cult any ammunition to use against her. Smart girl:
Katie Holmes was always “careful” with what she said and never revealed too much during Scientology auditing sessions that she partook in during her time with Tom Cruise, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.
“Katie wasn’t exactly forthcoming with information during her Scientology audit/confessions,” a source close to the situation tells RadarOnline.com. “Katie’s father, Martin, advised her to be careful with what she said during these sessions so that nothing negative could get leaked to the press or be used to make her look bad.
“Look, Katie led a very ordinary and honest life before she met Tom and tried to continue to do so during the time she was with him. Katie is level headed and extremely smart. She was never completely committed to Scientology, but she participated because she truly was in love with Tom and she knew it meant a lot to him. Her heart just wasn’t in it though, she was always guarded and careful during the auditing sessions with what she revealed.”.
[From Radar Online]
Radar also quotes former high ranking Scientologist Marty Rathbun, who left the CO$ in 2004 (and who audited Tom for several years), that all of Katie and Tom’s sessions were recorded either on audio or video. Of course that sounds incredibly creepy, but that’s one of the purposes of auditing — to gather dirt on the subject. Now E! Online has published some old quotes from Katie on the Scientology, and they point to the common belief that the actress had “converted” to the “religion” merely because she claimed that auditing was “exciting.” So did Katie initually see through the sham and just pretend to be into it because she wanted to marry Tom Cruise? Or was it a case of her just waking up after a few years of being strapped to an e-meter? Whatever the case, thank goodness she’s breaking free … especially since Tom reportedly forbade her from taking part in the “Dawson’s Creek” reunion movie!
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet
Tom has a serious case of SMS (small man syndrome). He has to overcompensate with his craziness, to make up for his lack of height.
Run Katie, Run!
HotPockets! ♥
I love Jim Gaffigan!
Hot Pockets! Jim Gaffigan! Awesome!
are you referencing his quote about vegetarian hot pockets and diarrhea? hehe
isn’t that what they allegedly say about dave miscavage? that he has a lofty designs and a short fuse?
i was reading the New Yorker’s Paul Haggis article and many paragraphs refer to his short temper. Although many has then denied ever saying so, or whatnot.
btw, what’s striking in that article is that even higher-ups (church executives–sounds very high ranking though maybe not the highest) are not immune from being subjected to the harsh “correction” type labors, for some slight (perceived or otherwise) by miscavage.
the more i read it, the more i’m feeling that maybe tom cruise might be in a little bit of trouble too. if the higherups think that he doesn’t mop this thing up quick enough, if they think that TC is damaging scientology’s reputation, he might be severely “punished”, right? that can happen? i read somewhere that miscavage sometimes replay TC’s more embarrassing auditing records to “entertain” guests (and possibly remind TC of his place). that sounds really scary.
also, i think that this suit (the divorce suit) as well as the wider repercussions will be prolonged, messy, and tiring. i don’t think anyone will emerge from this unscathed, even onlookers.
so far, Team Katie seems to be running with a good pace. However, it seems that they’re running a marathon and not just any short distance race. I hope they can keep up steam for the whole stretch.
i hope so. i wish them all well. this is a trying time for them, i suppose.
I’m not sure exactly how many ‘higher ups’ there are when it comes to Tom… not many. Not sure if it is true, but I keep hearing he is probably 2nd, next to that David creep.
I thought the same thing. COS cannot like this attention and must be freaking out over the possibility of this thing getting into court with scientology at the heart of it. Regardless of how high up he is, and how much money he donates, there is no way that they are going to allow Cruise to drag them down with this mess. I’d bet there’s a lot of pressure on him to make this whole thing go away, maybe enough pressure to let her have custody simply to avoid the court fight and the disclosure of lots of information they’d rather not go public.
David Miscavige is #1 in Scientology. Everyone else is far, far below him. There is no Scientology executive or “higher-up” who could possibly go against anything Miscavige wants in the slightest except by stealth. Tom Cruise is best friends with David Miscavige. Don’t worry for Tom — the only way Scientology could turn on him is if Miscavige turned on him, and I don’t see that happening.
Absolutely! And, in addition to sms, he is mentally disturbed control freak! Poor Katie, what she got herself into, terrible life!
GO KATIE!
Don’t fall for it, Katie! He’s a nut job!
His spaceship is at the ready…run katie run
No, I bet he was coming back to make his appearance in court!
I know they’re famous and all that jazz, but even they couldn’t push divorce proceedings through so quickly, could they?
And with regards to auditing, I think Katie’s a lot smarter than we all used to give her credit for, which we’re just beginning to see clearly now. I think she probably just went along with it for TC.
I think TC could be going to Cali, isn’t that Co$’s HQ? He’s probably going to see if he can hatch a crazy alien plan with them. And is it just me, or is anyone else reminded of Prometheus with all the Thetan/alien stuff?
Love the Top Gun reference, Kaiser 🙂
And Tom’s early TomKat hair was just tragic.
LaineyGossip.com says he is heading back to meet with his inner circle and decide how to go from here.
I think he’s coming back today in the hopes that we feel bad that he’s not getting to really enjoy his big 50. Poor Tom. Boo hoo!
I don’t think for a second that Tom is coming back to woo Katie. Being the control freak that he is, he is meeting his people and his lawyers in person so he they can concentrate on coming up with a game plan. It does say something about Tom and his priorities toward family. He wouldn’t take a break from filming for his birthday, but now he drops everything so he can do damage control and twist things to his advantage.
All for nothing though, he has no hope in hell of winning sole legal or physical custody of Suri.
Bingo.
Gah!!! Stay the eff away!!!
I think he’ll be headed to Cali though. I mean, what can he do if she refuses to see him? He’ll look like an idiot standing outside somewhere waiting for her to show up, lol. Although that would make for some interesting pics. 🙂 But he can still see Suri, correct? Don’t know how that will work.
Also am holding my breath on how the tabloids (both print and TV) decide to run with this story once the bombshell aspect dies down. I’m concerned it’s going to be “Woe is Tom” 24/7. Ugh.
i have been saying it since the story broke on Friday and he put out his ‘heartbroken’ and ‘blindsided’ that he would use that as the launch pad of his PR and everyone was saying the co$ stuff was too much to be overcome.
He is definitely going to play the ‘woe is me’ card and move the conversation away from co$.
She has to have more than co$ as her strategy because should he manage change the conversation, then she has nothing.
Here’s my honest, non-snarky question:
How could Tom Cruise not have seen Katie’s misery? The whole world has seen a robtic, not always hygiene-pleasing woman for a while now.
Did he like her beaten down and seemingly helpless? Or is his life so insulated by enablers that he is truly clueless?
So true. And I am mad today thinking about him not letting her participate in D.C. Was he trying to hold her back purposely?
Because she was miserable during most of this fake relationship, tabloids have been reported on Katie’s misery for years now, that’s why he didn’t see anything, he thought she would never leave and that it was business as usual for him.
http://www.celebitchy.com/81179/will_katie_holmes_tell_the_world_about_tom_cruises_secret_xenumobile/
“Did he like her beaten down and seemingly helpless? Or is his life so insulated by enablers that he is truly clueless?”
Like Forrest Gump said, “I think it’s both”.
My guess is that it’s impossible to see someone else when one is always looking into a mirror.
HA! ☻
Exactly.
I absolutely think he likes to “beat down” and control his women. Nicole Kidman always seemed extremely submissive when she was with Tom, and Katie morphed into the same kind of quiet, submissive woman too.
One thing that’s always bothered me, even in their early “happy” days, was how he holds her hand/arm. He usually didn’t simply hold her hand like a normal couple. He’d hold on to her entire arm and hand. I wish I could link to a picture because it was a very awkward, controlling position to take, which I think was a small taste of how ridiculously controlling he probably is in private.
All I know is that I’m extremely proud of Katie Holmes. I feel bad for her because I, unlike some others, don’t think she’s a gold digger or after him for career advancement. I think she got the chance to date, have a baby with, and marry a life-long crush and lost herself in the process. (I’d probably go bat-$hit crazy with excitement if I got to marry a celebrity crush so maybe I’m projecting, but I can relate to what I think she’s gone through.) They say, “Never meet your idol unless you want to be disappointed,” and I think sadly by the time Katie saw Tom for the controlling CO$ person he probably is it was too late. She was probably already married and wanted to make things work for her daughter. I’m just glad she’s breaking free of him. I can’t wait to see what’s next for her and to see her in a good relationship again.
Unfortunately for Tom, I think the only thing that could really revamp his public image is breaking away from Scientology and exposing it for what it really is. Likelihood of that happening? Probably zero.
Emily, great comment; I also don’t think that she is gold digger; and she doesn’t look like submissive woman, who will abandon her creative job, just because she wants to sit at home, be controlled and spend someone else money. I really like your point of view
I agree with your comment, Emily. Well said. It would be epic if Tom came to his senses and left Scientology. I think only that could even begin to undo his cray cray reputation (personal AND business) at this point. It does seem unlikely to happen.
Different Emily here (I’ll have to think of a new screen name), but I totally agree with everything you said. If, when I was in my 20s, Christian Slater had come along and wanted to marry me and told the world how much he loved me, I would likely have been so dazed and ecstatic I’d have done it no matter what other people said. Women — and men — are fooled by abusers who aren’t charismatic celebrities all the time. I am thrilled whenever anyone finds the courage to break out of that.
Now to think of a new screenname… 😉
He knew & didnt care. He is an egomaniac. As long as he had a step ford wife on his arm he could care less if she was miserable.
Kim, you are right. It is always unbelievable for me to run into a person like that. A bona fide egomaniac. It really hits you right in the face when you suddenly realize, absolutely, “they know, and do not care”.
To answer your question, I think Tom sees only what he wants to see with both Katie’s happiness and Scientology. He wears blinders so he doesn’t see what the rest of the world saw in both his wife and his cult.
Simple explanation. He always has been and always will be a complete narcissist. His relationships, even at their best, are superficial. His concerns are the only ones that matter. He sees what he wants to see. He is used to having complete control over people.
He will never leave Scientology not because he is afraid, but because he is so simple minded that he still believes in the cult. Bottom line, Scientology is more important to him than any of his relationships.
And you know what they say about the simplest explanation… 😉
he always find the tall ones…. if he could only fall for someone below 5’9…. Mimi, Nicole, Katie.. all tall…. he looks like their sons when standing beside…
I know really. But I thought he and Penelope were cute together since she is short and they are both really good-looking and have the same last name. Thank goodness she was smart enough to end it with this kook. And in that bottom photo Katie is bending every which way to appear shorter than Tom. She looks like an S. Talk about someone with SMS. LOL
I always heard that Penelope and her family believed too much in the Catholic faith to marry him. She was with him for quite a while though – maybe she was working on converting him?
“Still, can you see him standing outside her new Chelsea apartment (shown below) and belting out ‘You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling?'” ROFLMAO. That actually happened to me. Once. At summer camp when I was a teenager. I wasn’t impressed. Hopefully Katie follows my lead. 😉
Perhaps he could stand outside with a boom box over his head playing “In Your Eyes”, or even “I Don’t Want To Wait” by Paula Cole.
No, wait, it should be the “love theme” from Top Gun, “Take My Breath Away”.
Izzy, that sounds hilarious!
Ohhhhh, I’ve had some good times with Take my Breath Away…. ^^
…just to clarify, good times as in belting it out with the windows open with your team whilst old ladies walk by startled.
Ah. Nostalgia.
Anyway, my vote goes for this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eim5jLlEPYI
Xenu on a bad day.
What is up with Katie’s legs? Why do they bend inwards like that? Reminds me of the scene in Black Swan.
I don’t think Tom will consider trying to win Katie back, I think he’s already realised she has no intention of staying married. I think he is probably back in NY to discuss custody matters.
Double-jointed knees, I have the same thing, as well as in my elbows and hips. What feels straight to the person looks odd to everyone else.
As I stated above before reading your alls comments about her knees. I think she is so sensitive to his short man syndrome that she is bending herself every which way to appease this maniac. And Happy birthday tommygirl in celebrating 50 years of a manic high. Must be hard to deal with when no one can keep up with you.
Just stretched ligaments. No such thing as “double jointed.” No big deal.
@ Me, um thanks for the correction!?!?! But the term “double-jointed,” is term most doctors have used on me and if you saw my elbows you might think so too.
Girl I have them too! My elbows are so double-jointed people get grossed out because they look broken. It sucked when I was in HS Cheerleading and I would do a cheer where I had to lift my arm straight-the crowd went “Ew!” 🙂
Double jointed as well (diagnosed with Ehler-Danlos Syndrome). I couldn’t cheer because it looked so troubling. I swam instead. The bendiness came in handy.
OMG I have the same exact double jointed arm cheerleading story! That is so funny. I wouldnt extend my arms all the way because I didnt want to gross anyone out. But there are a few pics of me when I wasnt thinking about it and my arms totally look broken
Double jointed here too. Same stories, save ballet instead of cheerleading. I had to be very precise and conscious not to gross people out. It happens nowadays, when you’re just leaning somewhere without really thinking.
@Relli: What about “hypermobile”? More accurate, and sounds awesome-er!
Count me as well. I always freak people out when I lean on my arms and the elbows start bending in the opposite direction. They always ask if it hurts.
No, he is heading for CA. Katie is being portrayed as some poor innocent waif who lived under a rock until TC swept her off of her feet. She is a grown woman and she knew about COS and the attending craziness. It is good that she decided enough was enough, but I am tired of her being portrayed as some kind of heroine in a tragic goth novel. Divorce and nasty ones at that, are par for the course in Hollywood.
Agreed. Plus, NYC kills him in taxes & is more likely to award Katie custody.
He’s off to CA to file for sure…
Wait….what?! Can a divorce be filed in two states?
Someone get a lawyer in here STAT!!
Ruh roh….Sea Org has a major facility in California. He’s going to be bending over for 40 whacks from Miscavige….
It is ME!!! What Tom (his attorneys, rather) will likely do is file in CA and move for the NY case to be dismissed, arguing jurisdiction and residency in NY.
Problem with that is that Tom & Katie OWNED a NY residence (apartment, I do believe) which, to my mind, says that they did in fact have a residence there.
Ultimately, it’s up to the judge to determine.
I agree Katie has responsibility in this too. She knew all about the Scientology when she married him. I get tired of when women make bad marriage choices and we have to elicit all this sympathy when they get divorced. She knew what she was getting into.
It is a question of venue. If she can’t prove residency in NY then the suit will de dismissed and can ce filed in CA
Of course Kate does (has responsibility in this). But she didn’t force Tom to wear flats!
Katie. I meant KATIE. (As one who didn’t like Tom’s “Kate” renaming of Katie because it had the whiff of control freak. And possessiveness.)
Many people know nothing about Scientology. Personally, I only discovered the facts about that “church” after Kate and Tom married. But even assuming that Kate had heard stories, it’s entirely possible that Tom used his charm to convince her that those stories were made up by people with an axe to grind. Her initial experiences with the church would have backed up Tom’s version of the church, and it could have been later that the penny dropped.
Whether she entered this marriage with eyes wide open is irrelevant. She’s perfectly entitled to change her mind about Tom or Scientology. She shouldn’t be held to a decision that she made 6 years ago.
I grew up never having heard of Scientology and I have never met a Scientologist. I also knew nothing of the bizarre cult that it is. I remember seeing ads for L Ron Hubbard and Dianetics, but never really knew what that was either. I still don’t know that much, but what little I read, it is something to avoid, but that means doing research. Knowing what little I do know, I can’t for the life of me understand why anyone wants to get involved or give away money so it can influence people the way this cult does.
So, I come down on side of being in love with Cruise and not knowing all that went with it until it was too late. Suri came before the wedding, not after, she was still learning what it was all about, or at least that is what I think.
I grew up in the 80s and i heard about scientology but not the specifics. My mother used to say they were plagirising Dianetics and to be frank i never realised that they are one and the same thing until about 10yrs ago.
There is no way Kate would not have known anything about scientology given that half of Hollywood are scientologists.
There was a joke that if you wanted to succeed in hollywood you joined the scientology because most of the more famous [and therefore successful] people seemed to be scientologists.
Of course back in the day we also didn’t know they were a sinister cult. JOhn Travolta made a film, BATTLEFIELD EARTH which was an exploration of scientology origin and people actually went to see it.
And TC became a very visible supporter from the kidman divorce. That’s when they became more open about people finding out more [though not all] about them.
Exactly. This whole’ Katie knew what she was getting into’ argument is played out already. She was sucked in by a childhood fantasy, completely normal reaction. Even with all the public knowledge we have now with former members and high ranking officials revealing abuses within the “church” and how they stalk defectors, people still don’t know the full extent of this cult. So, how could she?
JOhn Travolta made a film, BATTLEFIELD EARTH which was an exploration of scientology origin and people actually went to see it.
Battlefield Earth is not related to Scientology’s origin story. It’s a crappy pulp scifi novel by L. Ron Hubbard, and Travolta made it into a crappy movie. The only relation it has to Scientology, besides being created by a Scientologist, is that the evil aliens are called “Psychlos” and Scientology calls people working in the mental health profession “psychs” and blames them for all evil.
Very, very few people went to see Battlefield Earth in the theater. Most of them did so because sometimes it’s fun to see a movie you know is going to be total crap so you can make fun of it.
I didn’t know what Scientology was really until the whole TomKat thing started. Maybe I was too young at the time, but once I started researching it, I couldn’t have been more creeped out.
I do think a big part of it was having the chance to be with her, but eyes don’t lie. In too many pics over the years, her eyes looked so vacant and dead. It was probably worse than she expected, and did nothing for her career-wise. I don’t think anyone expected her career to be so dead as a result of their marriage.
I believe she made her choices, and paid/is paying for them, but kudos to her for trying to her and Suri out.
@ Lak. Utter horsehockey.
“Half of Hollywood” is NOT into $cilontology. It does not make people’s success like you are claiming. Quite the contrary. $cilontology kills people and removes human rights.
You are trolling. This is exactly what the $cilons are programmed to say.
I feel the need to defend LAK. I know CO$ has trolls out but not LAK. She posts a lot and in other threads. Don’t you recognize her name gg? She posted anti-scientology comments in this very thread.
An apology would be nice.
Battlefield Earth was a TERRIBLE movie!
I apologize to the real LAK. But it’s easy to put a fake name and post, unless they’ve changed security. Those statements made my hair stand up though.
Seriously, the numbers of $cilons are very low. They lie to jack up the numbers and keep opening more empty centers to make it seem like they are growing. They’ve been doing this for decades.
To “woo Katie”? Are you kidding me? More like relentlessly harassing her — along with his fellow sciento-freaks.
Couldn’t agree more!
The only thing that will turn the tide is him denouncing CO$ for his family. Even if Katie doesn’t love him anymore, the only thing standing in the way of a relationship with Suri is the cult. Hope he wakes up now, while she is young and not 30+ years later like PH. There are no winners in this situation, only victims of this so called church.
He’s too far gone.
Think you’re right, brin. Like a happy ending at the movies, I wish he’d wake up, though.
His church is to him what Suri is to Katie. Everything. He will never leave his church. His biggest battle right now is his ego because Katie finally took the control away from him. He lost his power and didn’t see it coming. Tom is somewhere doing damage control. His PR image is much more important than his marriage.
I don’t think he’ll fight this divorce. I seriously doubt he is Suri’s biological dad and he won’t want that exposed. So he will quietly give her a divorce in return. One of the reasons he picked Katie was because it made him look like he fathered a child, something he couldn’t do with his previous wives (because it required having sex with them). Katie was a pregnant young naïve woman who needed a quick baby daddy and was star struck that he chose her. Then she matured and realized she needed to protect her child (and get a life of her own). She finally started listening to her parent’s advice.
Suri is her life and she will do whatever is necessary for her protection. To the extent of airing the DNA test and exposing the church’s dirty laundry in public if Tom doesn’t quietly exit her life. Tom’s image is already in shambles. If he fights her in court, it could destroy his career permanently. And his career is more important to him. His church is a powerful drug that fuels his ego so he will never give that up.
i agree Playlist. DNA the guy. Katie has lots of ammo on Tom. No way he’ll fight her.
He will never, ever provide DNA. Even if he had to, he’d make certain results were sealed forever. I mean, look at the circus around the Bieber thing and that DNA test. He wouldn’t even do it when it would shut the lady up in a heartbeat. People just really don’t like to do them as a rule, and they fight it like mad.
KATIE! YOU IN DANGER, GURL!
Katie have problems, what is she going to do when Tom Cruise wants to see Suri, he seems to love that child to death, at this point Kathie has no legal rights to keep him from seeing his daughter,Tom can do the same thing she did, snatch Suri and hide her away! Girl you are screwed. Even the rich have serious problems!
Except it’s not remotely the same thing, but nice try. lmao Katie didn’t “snatch” Suri away, she’s protecting her from this dangerous cult. If Tom snatched her away, Scientology would be immediately under suspicion for abduction and they have enough bad press as it is with all these former members and high ranking officials revealing abuses within the “church” and how they stalk defectors.
Hmmm. ‘Cept Tom knows exactly where Suri is- with her mother. If Tom “snatches” Suri and hides her away, then the court might view that as taking away the parental rights of the mother by the father and award Katie custody outright.
Shit’s gonna get fugly.
No way-he’s going to California to meet with his lawyers and the COS higher ups to plan some sort of strategy.
Agree. His ego and his cult have taken a massive beating and neither of them are going to go down easily. If he does the poor, pitiful me, he will look emasculated and that would make his ego worse. He has to re-gain control, which he is all about.
This is a man for whom image is everything. Perfect marriage, cute kid, obidient wife. He always looks pulled together, never a beard to show gray and who knows what he has had done to his face to look young. He already had two big studios talking about how hard he works. He knows that if he trys to harm Katie, he is a goner, but he will do something to make her look bad and him look innocent, but in control. This is just getting started and I don’t think it is going to be pretty. He leaves women, women don’t leave TOM CRUISE.
Absolutely right! They are going into the War Room to plan their counterattack. Round 1 to Team Katie; now The Empire Will Strike Back.
Exactly. They’re studying all of her auditing to figure out how best to attack.
No way! I hardly think he wants her back! He is FURIOUS as well as the Scientolobots! THEY probably wouldn’t even let him take her back.
Hope you have a majorly SUCKY birthday Tom, you FREAK.
I have a massive LOVE for Katie now! And her parents.
I know right? I am loving her dad! He is badass!!
Hi OSA!
Just wanted to leave you a little note of compassion. I hope you’re safely far away from Miscavidge while you’re doing your important work to stay upstat. He must be punching people left, right and centre about now, so I hope you’re not in the firing line. It’s not your fault that we don’t believe you, okay? You didn’t pull this in. Miscavidge and Cruise did. Don’t let them make you shoulder the blame.
Stay safe,
Anne
This, exactly.
OSA: when we argue with you, when we yell at you, when we get angry with you, that is because we are frustrated that you are trapped by Scientology and Miscavige. If you leave, we will welcome you. Lots of people are out here to help you when you’ve had enough. You will be shocked at the support you’ll get.
Tom’s not trying or going to try to get back with Katie because this mess is beyond any kind of civil/wooing action. Tom is somewhere working on how to fight Katie, it’s what any of us would do.
This is just going to get worst and Suri will be the ultimate victim.
I actually think Suri will be the ultimate winner in all of this. Any difficulties now will be paid back a hundred-fold in happiness down the road. Freedom from that CO$ cult will be worth it.
Agreed. Yes divorce is hard on children, and yes, Katie should have known full well what she was getting herself into, but if she is able to lessen the effects of this cult on her child then it is worth it.
Katie put a hat and coat on a garden rake, leaned it against the couch in their old apartment, with Suri’s old Angelina Ballerina doll and he’s, cuddling them close to him .. still trying to convince her to travel to Iceland with him..
I hope there is a Dawson’s Creek reunion movie. Wonder how they’d fit Jen back in.
There will be no ‘wooing’. That is all. (On that subject anyway). I am hoping for lots and lots more public ‘outing’ of Scientology.
Followed by criminal investigation and arrests….!
Absolutely, prosecution. I am hoping to see a lot of people freed from persecution by prosecution. It’s like living in the mob for many.
Workaholics like Tom Cruise make lousy husbands. If they’re into a wacky religion and are 17 years older than you, that makes them an even worse husband. Tom should marry a Scientologist next time near his own age who has a time consuming career of her own. It’s a recipe for success.
just.word.
Either that or marry someone who he knows for sure will willingly give up her life and sign over without a blink of an eye…go the George Clooney/Matt Damon route and pluck a normal
gal from obscurity (preferably from the Scientology pool) and make her his wife. Someone who doesn’t mind being audited, or around freaks, or controlled or signing contracts. He might be happy then. He goes for public women with their own minds and that just won’t work
For him!
I don’t understand how Katie was allowed to be so guarded during the auditing sessions. The auditing people are master manipulators. It seems like they would have the upper hand in that situation.
Also, if she never really bought into Scientology, I am kind of shocked that she was able to last 5 years. It’s a long time to put up with all of the control, manipulation and other stunts.
She’s the daughter of a lawyer.
She probably just baffled them with bullshit.
After all she is an actress and appeared to have everyone buying into her Katie-bot zombie persona.
One of my friends has a sister who married a Scientologist; her husband is a fairly well known musician in a well-known rock band. My friend said that his bro-in-law spoke so highly of CO$ that my friend thought he’d give it a shot. My friend made it through 2 auditing sessions and said that the 2 sessions were bat-shit crazy and that the auditors spent the sessions trying to completely break him down and make him second-guess every decision and relationship he had. They kept asking him for thousands of dollars to continue the auditing. Luckily he ended up running for the hills.
I’m going to use the fact that this thread hasn’t blown up yet to pose a question that really bothers me:
How are these audit tapes leverage? Any threat to use them against a celebrity would make said celebrity terrified and thus turn against the Church. Even if they did it to just one major celebrity, it would scare any new members off and trouble those who r already in the cult. Does Tom seem scared? No he seems totally into it. Whatever they’re selling he’s not just buying it but selling it as well.
No one would surround themselves with cos people at all times if they lived in fear of the leverage they have. They would try to fool them instead. If the cos really was behind thetravolta scandal, wouldn’t that put off tom and will, and etc?
Co$ has always been secretive in their operations, even to their own members. I think only recently are people, celebrities included, really aware how the intimidation occurs. They don’t tell every member everything in whatever passes for their cult bible so it’s very possible that even when they know it is happening, they do not believe it or other co$ won’t believe them.
As the saying goes, knowledge is power and in the case of co$, perhaps only a few at the top layer have the true picture.
You pose an interesting question and hopefully somebody can answer it since I can’t figure it out except to say that anybody gullible enough to believe in CO$ can’t be too smart to begin with so you could tell them about the manipulations and they wouldn’t believe you. My question in addition to yours is how the heck can an audit session be used against you in a custody battle? I mean first of all isn’t that considered confidential? Do priest’s testify in catholic custody battles about confessions? I don’t know and also how could anything you say be used against you? So what you fantasize about threesomes or whatever freaky think they get you to say who cares doesn’t make you a bad parent.
One critical difference I’m seeing between audit sessions and a Catholic confessional is that the audits are allegedly taped (definitely NOT standard for confession, and if it were to happen, would not be occurring with the consent/knowledge of the church. So if someone *were* to try to use confession in a court case, you’d have to persuade/coerce a priest into talking, whereas with a tape you simply have to get your hands on it. Confession is supposed to be 100% confidential and a priest who violated that would be in serious trouble with the Vatican…sounds VERY different from the Scientology set up to me.
It’s also still not uncommon to be separated from the priest by a screen during confession, so it’s possible the priest won’t even know WHO just confessed to something awful. Also, while you’re encouraged to go to confession regularly, it’s really only “required” twice a year…the number of Catholics who go to confession more than say, once a month, and who always go to the same priest, is a pretty small fraction of all Catholics. So for most people, there just isn’t this regular revelation of “dirt” like there is with Scientology, so it has nowhere near the same kind of leverage potential (even if a priest were to try to use it that way).
i do not think they would use it in court. As they are considered a religion with this as part of their church operations that mimic the confessional, i do not think it would be allowed in court.
What they can do is use them to ruin your reputation. How many of us want our secrets known? And if those secrets are told in a malicious way, it destroys us and possibly ruins relationships.
For Hollywood where perception is everything, a dark secret told can ruin a career forever especially if the person is presenting a different face to the public.
Isn’t that what has just happened to John Travolta? i bet all these messages were being kept secret until he threatened to leave after his son’s death.
Several leaks later, look how deeply he is in. Many more men were supposed to stey forward. He’s gone as far as staging a Kiss with his wife on a red carpet when said wife is known to be really deeply into co$.
Have you noticed it’s all silent on the Travolta front in the media these days? Not in a gradual way, but as suddenly as he was accused is as suddenly the allegations have disappeared.
They have released information from auditing sessions to attempt to discredit people in the past. It doesn’t work, but once you’ve been in Scientology long enough, you stop thinking the way the rest of the world does, and you start fearing things that other people don’t fear. For instance, they teach that masturbation is totally evil, and they really truly believe that, and they think that it is such an obvious thing that everyone else must also believe that masturbation is evil.
The grease gathered in audit sessions is used later by the co$ to create bad press for their victim and to blackmail said victim using threats and intimidation.
Well Co$ is crazy. They might not expose the tapes themselves but anonymously leak info to the press, blackmail, I think if they have something that is career ending, a start would not want tho even think about going against them.
I think the tapes only become relevant as leverage when a member wants to leave CO$. For active members, the tapes and info are protected. And I don’t think the potential release scares current members because they probably don’t buy CO$ being behind it. For example, Lisa Marie, as a recent defector, may well have stories about church harassment, private secrets being told, etc., but do Tom, JT, etc. believe her or assume she’s a disgruntled member (and suppressive person) and side with the church? All loyalty and blind faith is with CO$ (until it isn’t, then you may remember those warnings from those who tried to leave before).
I imagine you’re hesitant about having your confessions released. But I think the bigger issues involve fear tactics, isolation, and a general brainwashing that cults are known for. If you read anything about co$ they turn spouses against each other, children against parents, parents against children… That’s just not able to happen without some indoctrination of abuse (mental/ physical /psychological)
It’s clearly something we suppressive people don’t understand but obviously we don’t speak the language. It must be like Catholic guilt wrapped around a Waco mentality. IE No one understands, it’s something I’ve done to bring it on, my fault. Everyone is out to get me.
I imagine those in the cult have a hard time thinking in terms outside of what they know. As do we all. What they know is secrecy, treachery, punishment and auditing. If some auditing stories are to be believed (days without sleep or food ect) and confessions of untruths just to get out of the room finally, then I imagine many people can’t even be sure of what they have admitted to under surveillance. That’s scary!
Imagine being held accountable for what happened in your dreams or you talked about in your sleep.
I think originally the possibility of leaking audited materrial was a great way to control celebrities but it is losing its power bc it is so widely know that the CO$ bullies its members. To attempt to discredit someone as benign as KH would backfire.
Now, having said that, if someone has secrets they are heavily invested in hiding (hello, Travolta) then I see it working. It’s a risk analysis.
so there we have it.
I just said on the last thread- why has he not left Iceland?
and here he comes. PR moves abound.
I agree, get your security ready Katie.
ya, flying to Iceland and ice-hiking on his b-day sounds so fun. i bet she was all torn up about skipping THAT.
LOL, IKR???
hiking! CAMPING!!
::shudders, barfs, then shudders again::
Iceland isn’t really icy, just like Greenland isn’t really green. Just FYI.
I’m still amazed she was able to pull off getting another apartment and actually filing for divorce with the way they track her every move. Where were the Tom provided bodyguards? The handlers? She’s pulled off the miracle in being able to do this.
Good on anyone who wants out of a situation they can’t live in any longer and manages to actually remove themselves from it.
My guess is that her parents and support network handled a lot of the actual arrangements. They could bring whatever she needed to sign at her visits, plus whoever she needed to see in person in as family friends
You know i have been obsessively reading all the TomKat posts on here and on Lainey’s site ( BUT nothing put it into perspective like the photo essay CB put together yesterday. It was easy to see how genuine their relationship was in the beginning,I mean how much she was really into it. But one picture really bothered me and i haven’t been able to stop thinking about it. It was the picture of them sitting in the bleachers and Katie ALL OVER Tom and him looking like he is trying to get away.
It occurred to me that maybe she had been duped into this in the beginning. Tom is a lot of things but above all he is a terrific actor. I believe that he goes into these relationships with the same mentality as he does his movies, that this is a job to keep Tom Cruise selling. The same nature that thinks that obsessive love bombing and cheesy gestures are enough to keep a woman happy. Because what I saw in those photos is a woman slowly becoming disenchanted with the man she is supposed to love and alienated from affection.
I don’t think he is gay, I think he is too much in control of himself to let Tom have those kinds of thoughts, but definitely Asexual and completely controlling.
Also i feel like i have a new found respect for Jessica Alba and Kate Bosworth, terrible actresses who really could have benefited from an A-list husband. But I guess there are things they wont do for Hollywood success
I think she was definitely duped – by the cult, and Tom went along with it. They decided he needed another wife, so they found him one, and there was a calculated effort to sweep her off her feet. Probably wasn’t hard given how starstruck she was and that he was her childhood idol. I think he probably felt affection for her, but it must have been a real ego boost as well to be so adored by a pretty young woman.
And it was an arranged marriage for him, so once she was ‘in the bag’ he probably stopped making the sweep-you-off-your-feet effort and she gradually became aware that while she was completely smitten, he just wasn’t.
lol – what are you saying that he did the Knight and Day thing on Katie Holmes? Or the Truth About Charlie thing that Marky Mark did?
DUDE, that’s not going to work unless you want it too. It’s just skeevo – especially when it’s poured ALL OVER Cameron Diaz in Knight and Day.
OMIGOD
Oh no, here he comes. Play the Wizard of Oz flying monkeys music. I really do fear for her because I think the man is a closeted maniac. (Yeah, he was nuts on Oprah, but I think it’s even worse than that.)
I think she needs to hire some ex-Secret Service men to guard her. I wouldn’t trust him at all at this point. And who knows what that cult of loons has planned. I think I’d have an Uzi by my side and no, I’m not a gun proponent. Just someone who would be very fearful.
Miscavige & CO$ = Roman & the Vampire Authority
LMAO at the flying monkeys music. Priceless!
“Play the Wizard of Oz flying monkeys music”
Lol, hilarious! I can see them!
woo, stalk. potato, po-tah-to
Also: no ones mentioned the Michael k post pointing out that all of toms 3 wives were 33 when the divorces were filed. And by 34 they were no longer mrs. Cruise.
actually, someone discussed this in the comments a few CB posts back.
33 of 3 wives,
but also 33 as the age of Christ dying on the cross. someone speculated maybe 33 has the “mindhold-breaking” power.
in fact, it has many significance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_(number)
though most interestingly of all in that list:
“The jersey number of Tom Cruise’s character in the 1983 film All The Right Moves”
Perhaps 33 is just the age at which the women become confident and mature enough to decide that they are “sick of this sh!t” for themselves and/or their child(ren). They become more independent and assertive. This prompts a divorce, either from Tom pr the wife herself.
I figure this stuff is almost always coincidence… but 33 was a watershed year for me in knowing what I want out of life and deciding I didn’t care what other people said. Maybe it’s a year when everything comes together for some reason, who knows.
I bet that he’s coming back to show his sad face and try and turn public opinion his way.
Total Creep! He is all about intimidation. I hope she can tough it out.
Tiny Tom is no Jack Reacher
Truer words! What a disappointment.
Unfortunately for Child I read the last with Tommy swimming around my thoughts. I literally had to close the pages several times and banish that might midget.
More than a tad broken hearted and bewildered as to why they would do that to my beloved Reacher.
Every time I see a picture of Tom dressed like a lumber jack I die a little.
3 EX WIVES BY AGE 33, AND 3 KIDS.
What does it all mean. Must be some CO$ thing.
Anyway, good for her. She looked so sad with him and now she’s doing the right thing and protecting her child from these people and Cray Cray Tom.
Seeing that apartment gives me hives. I can’t imagine living stacked like that, in this heat. Subdivisions trigger my claustrophobia but apartments bring on panic attacks.
Not to do with anything but Tommy Girl is only serving his own purpose with whatever last minute plans he made today
Good luck with that Tommy – for your edification, filing for divorce is her way of saying, it’s over dude. I imagine after Katie shoots him down he’ll start bringing the nasty and sh*t will get ugly in a hurry. Stay strong Katie!!
You would have to be REALLY stupid to divulge yourself in one of these audits sessions KNOWING they will use it against you if you try and leave scientology.
It amazes me anyone buys into the scientology crap. Fame/money doesnt equal intelligence.
Tom is an egomaniac and i cant imagine him trying to win Katie back. Im sure he is pissed off at her “embarrassing” him by filing for divorce and im sure he has already called in to Hollywood to black ball Katie.
Katie isnt innocent. She knew what she was getting in to – just not how bad it really would be. She bought into the fairy tale without even dating Tom for a month! Naive & selfish girls buy into fairy tales and marry a man they dont know for fame/money.
The one that suffers the most, as always in divorce, is the child. Poor Suri.
I too think he is going to CA. The mothership probably called him home.
^ This!! love it.
He’s got some serious meetings with Co$ attorneys to tend to, pronto.
i think it sucks d*ck that the paps have got her residence exposed like that.
i recognize it b/c it’s right around the corner from my old high school. it’s an easy address to find.
no wonder she’s rolling now 5 bodyguards deep.
she’s gotta worry about the Sciengoonies + random loonies. 🙁
Oh I know! Too bad it’s not a secret location. But then, she will probably move more than once before this is all over. if it ever is.
I’m very curious to know if Lisa Presley suffered any repercussions from her recent defection from the cult??? And if she’s reached out to Katie? I have no doubt that Lisa’s bravery helped Katie find her own courage…
I remember back in the day when Top Gun came out, I loved Tom Cruise! Why did you have to turn into a wackadoodle!?!? Why, Tom, Why… Shaking head……
I have to applaud Katie for getting out of this relationship sooner rather than later. I was in a similar relationship, got “lovebombed” by a guy that had been in a somewhat similar mind control type of cult and jumped into marriage too quickly. I stayed with the creep for 19 years, went through all kinds of emotional/psychological trauma. With some planning, I packed our bags took my daughter and left everything else behind. It was hard but worth it. I hope she stays completely away from him AND gets into some good counseling. Counseling with her family in her corner is what will get her through this mess – and it will be a mess for a while, sadly.
Wow, so glad for you that you left. Well done.
And thank you for sharing this story online; it can online help women in similar situations (or warn others off from such men).
“never revealed too much during Scientology auditing sessions”
And you all thought she wasn’t still Catholic!?? LOL!!
YOU GO GIRL!
Totally!!
I’m actually dreading whatever Tom and CO$ come up with to try to steamroller Katie. He has a lot of money and power, and people are definitely scared to take CO$ on. It’s like waiting for the Death Star to strike.
Yes. Expect nastiness.
Or a Borg cube coming to reclaim its lost drone. “We are the Scientologists. Fire your security and surrender your sanity. Resistance is futile.”
oh, i beg to differ. Katie’s proven she’s got more than enough backbone 2 give the Scienloonies the ‘hand’ to make a better life for her & her child. she’s lawyered up and is like “bring it”.
a huge blessing is also the strong support team of her family & friends. i don’t see her being pushed around (any longer anyways).
frankly, i think it’s Tom who’d better watch ‘his’ ass. that girl’s got a big, brawny ol’ pa from the Midwest who looks like he knows his way around a rifle or two. 😉
People has an article about Mr. Holmes and he is a stiff necked midwestern take no prisoners lawyer alright. I did not know she had four brothers and sisters with her oldest sister being 44. She is Mr. Holmes baby girl and don’t mess with his baby. She also has a brother who is a lawyer, so she has all kinds of support. Mr. Cruise should watch his back.
Yeah, but the $cilons are dirty, underhanded and sneaky, and they will try things. I feel like they won’t ultimately win, but that won’t stop em from trying. They’re nuts, remember. Logic is not necessarily a factor where they’re concerned.
No matter how far the Co$’s tentacles reach they’ll probably be better off in the long run by just chalking this one up as a loss.
How’s it gonna look if she eventually testifies on Capitol Hill about her experiences in the church.
She could probably go into great detail while under oath & there’s no telling where that might lead.
I feel sorry for the Security Team in that apartment building. They don’t know what’s hit em.
I try not to laugh too much at Tom’s height as it isn’t something he can help at all, but my gosh does he look awful in that first photo with those striped tuxedo pants. A tall man would have a hard time carrying those off, but he looks like a ring bearer at a wedding.
I wonder if anyone has dedicated the song “You’ve Lost that Loving Feeling” to either of them? Yes I’m a bit twisted!
I don’t believe she gets nothing from the prenup but child support. Sorry. I don’t buy that story. Tom is the top-earning celebrity from Spring of last year to spring of this year. He earned 75 million. Nobody else came close. Ghost Protocol was a massive moneymaker for him. Though, her child support will be huge. Probably a house, too.
I just read where ex-coS member said it is possible coS and/or Tom could try torpedo her career even after divorce. I hope she brings the whole organization down.
LMAO “but I have a feeling that Katie’s absolutely had enough of Tom’s grand romantic gestures. Still, can you see him standing outside her new Chelsea apartment (shown below) and belting out “You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling?”
Was her divorce filing prompted by the recent Travolta scandal?
It might have been a trigger. Like her and her father waiting, and then that (plus some other things) made them decide to go for it now.
She doesn’t love him and love doesn’t go away so that means she never loved him and she knew it because she was in a looong relationship with Chris Klein that didn’t end up in marriage either. So she’s like a Jennifer Garner who gets to dump Scott Foley but look angelic when she moves onto bigger and better (at the time).
Okay.
But why dump him when you’re never going to get better than him? He pays for everything but he spends NO time with you – possibly even less than he spent with Nicole Kidman (who is still prettier than Katie Holmes and a much better dresser). What does Katie get out of divorcing him that she doesn’t have staying married? “freedom” or does she have some fantasy that she’ll become a bigger celebrity and commodity post-divorce because that really hasn’t happened for Reese Witherspoon or any female I can think of.
The female in the broken relationship even when she files for divorce like Heidi Klum is always the dregs and the husband is again eligible.
WTF? Freedom (or “freedom” as you say) is not reason enough? How about the “freedom” of her child to not have to be raised in the cult of Scientology? That’s not enough? Sure would be for me.
And the comments on love? “Love doesn’t go away” you say? Really? I can only imagine that you are either very young or very naive but either way, yes, love can go away. Try having your every move controlled by someone and then tell me if you’d still love that person? How about if that person you love wants to raise your only child in what you have experienced first hand as a cult? You think “love” sticks around with that kind of craziness going on? Ok. Good luck then.
mattlauerrocks – you are a donkey of the highest order…wtf is this?
“She doesn’t love him and love doesn’t go away so that means she never loved him…”
It’s quite clear to me that Katie WAS aware of her contractual obligations PLUS she was head over heels in love with the guy. The photos don’t lie. She looked positively giddy in those early days.
Look, I’m old enough and ugly enough now to know we all do really really stupid things when we don’t have enough life experience. I’ve done DUMB stuff in my twenties when I was still giddy and high on life.
Got married on a whim and it lasted four months.
Swum naked in a bay that had a shark sign.
Had lots of unprotected sex.
Been on three day benders taking ridiculous amounts of recreational drugs.
You get the picture? I could go on and on. Now I’m 37, I have mellowed and understand SO much more about life.
Katie unfortunately has unwittingly become the poster girl for Cult Dismantling but that’s not to say she was ever as ruthless and ambitious as you make out.
Wow at “love doesn’t go away”. Seriously? Life doesn’t always work out that way.
As for “why dump him when you’re never going to get better than him?” – maybe she isn’t defining better by monetary status.
You know what she might be after that’s “better than him”? Being happy. And I think she’s just taken a big step in that direction.
This.
Better no man than an idiot.
Huh? I think Reese Witherspoon has done MUCH better, personally and professionally, since dumping that jackass.
The female in the broken relationship even when she files for divorce like Heidi Klum is always the dregs and the husband is again eligible.
Welp, that’s one of the most misogynistic things I’ve seen in a long time. You just called my mother “the dregs,” by the way. You are wrong. About everything.
@mattlauerrocks – Boy that garbage sure sounds archaic. I’ve never heard anybody say such a foolish out of date thing in the last fifty years about women.
Your head is stuck clear up a rhino’s rear assets. But again why am I even talking to a troll …
The female in the broken relationship even when she files for divorce like Heidi Klum is always the dregs and the husband is again eligible.
Welp, that’s one of the most misogynistic things I’ve seen in a long time. You just called my mother “the dregs,” by the way. You are wrong. About everything.
Heidi Klum looks awesome. Men stand in line for a woman like that.
Also, there are more men than women in the world (a lot more if you look only at those under 65), so we can always find a man somewhere.
Bitter males generally have a much harder time getting someone.
My best guess is Katie will avoid discussing money. She doesn’t want to give anyone any ammunition to say she was a gold digger in this relationship. When it comes to money she will abide by the pre-nup and I doubt she will ask for an outlandish amount of child support.
Tom’s little inner Napoleon is going BALLISTIC. He is screaming at his Co$ handlers, his PR team and anyone who will listen about how Katie betrayed him. She left him with his d**k in his hand figuratively and probably in a very literal sense. He KNOWS she has something up her sleeve and has an ace. So he is trying to figure out how to make her ace meaningless.
The good news is/problem for Tommy and Co$ is that they are in a very tight box. They cannot even sneeze without inviting further scrutiny. I guarantee you David Miscavige is wishing he had Shelly pick someone else. Someone mentioned the idea that Katie could potentially sit in front of congress and testify about all she knows about Co$ and I think that will eventually happen. I’m not sure Katie can revive her acting career but I can see her becoming a humanitarian working against cults and women’s rights.
Nearly every time a celebrity leaves the Co$, their career improves substantially. Scientology kills creativity.
I wonder if Miscavige will get his Co$ panties in such a knot that he kicks Tom out? Could he be considered an SP now? It would be the best thing for him PR/acting-wise to distance himself as much as possible from those whackdoodles.
Run Katie run…. Keep strong. Save yourself and Suri !!
Thank GOD/LRH I don’t need to see her cankles and non existing ars so often now! Also-by any means I don’t want to defend Scientology but have you ever heard abou Opus Dei? Jesus Camp? The Iinquisition? they are much, much worse. All religions are created to control the masses and make free money. Poor,naive Tom… Mimi Rodgers really screw him up for life!
I know, I totally agree! – why, just last week, one of my neighbours got hauled off by The Inquisition (they’re realllly old looking guys, by the way), and they sentenced him to a billion years of working in some desert gulag making custom motorcycles for Tom Cruise.
Oh wait, I might have my stories mixed up… Let’s see – one of those events took place in 1480(-ish), and one took place in 2009.
Thanks, but I think I’ll keep my eyes peeled for the CO$, and not worry so much about Opus Dei or the Inquisition. 🙂
Point taken, though for what it’s worth, Opus Dei does indeed exist, and is alive and well, and busy corrupting young impressionable Catholics at places like Notre Dame (and they have outposts at most of the ivies as well–they want to recruit from the ranks of the smart and wealthy). And busy laundering drug money, oppressing peasants and indigenous peoples in Latin America, and pushing hard behind the scenes at the Vatican to help fuel an ongoing war on women’s rights and freedoms around the world and in the U.S.
Opus Dei has more $ than scientology, and more members, too. I would defintely–as a scholar who studies religions and religious practices–consider Opus Dei as much of a threat to the world as CO$.
Both CO$ and Opus Dei share many of the same strategies for luring vulnerable people into their ranks–people who are craving easy answers and someone to tell them how to live, what to think, and what to believe. They’re both vile and horrible organizations.
Point taken, though for what it’s worth, Opus Dei does indeed exist, and is alive and well, and busy corrupting young impressionable Catholics at places like Notre Dame (and they have outposts at most of the ivies as well–they want to recruit from the ranks of the smart and wealthy). And busy laundering drug money, oppressing peasants and indigenous peoples in Latin America, and pushing hard behind the scenes at the Vatican to help fuel an ongoing war on women’s rights and freedoms around the world and in the U.S.
Opus Dei has more $ than scientology, and more members, too. I would defintely–as a scholar who studies religions and religious practices–consider Opus Dei as much of a threat to the world as CO$.
Both CO$ and Opus Dei share many of the same strategies for luring vulnerable people into their ranks–people who are craving easy answers and someone to tell them how to live, what to think, and what to believe. They’re both vile and horrible organizations.
Oh my gosh @ducky la rue – I am laughing my head off here at your comment re the Inquisition and Opus Dae. I had to lay down on the floor and tears are streaming down my eyes. Too funny. Some of the comments on here have provided me so much entertainment. But I do know that this situation is very serious and I am obssessed with this storyline and hope the media doesn’t get tired of it and that the Co$ is brought to justice.
Waaa Waaa Tommy Boy
Google was invented before he proposed and she prolly knew how to use the internet back then so does she really merit all this rallying?
*shrug*
We also did not have nearly as much information about Co$ even 7 years ago than we do now. Plus she got love bombed and I doubt she got a whole lot of sleep during their courtship thus affecting her judgment.
Loooookie … under the bridge … it’s a –
nother troll!
She merits this and much, much, oh, MUCH much more. Shrug away, dickie. And now go away.
This whole thing is going to end up more a character expose of Katie Holmes than of CO$.
You’re obviously posting from inside COS headquarters. Shudder.
hahah, yes, because she has ssoooooo much to hide.
What are your crimes, $cilon?
Greetings from LA:
My sinuses hurt and it suddenly got gloomy for July yesterday.
He’s here! I can feel it.
OK I don’t really think he can influence the weather but it’s funny.
I expect her to look out her window and see a couch outside and Oompa Loompa aka TC jumping up and down on it. I would think she has this apartment and also has another back up apartment no one knows about as deflection. As for the vehicles with the CoS stalkers, they can easily find out who these people are, especially her father an attorney and all her security. So that has me puzzled. And the Tennessee plates. So some of these rumors or whatever seem random. Or deflection. Seems her people doing a massive media blitz to deflect and his is scarily quiet. I would not want to be in her shoes. I have respect for her to a degree. I just hope she can stand the test of time. As in their literature, they seek litigation to destroy not for monetary rewards. They being COS.
He knows she won’t be coming back and that it was a deal.
However, he might be begging her to stop ruining what was left of his image or to allow Suri be part of his COS at least partly.
Another option, in case he didn’t realize she was pregnant and thought that his religion cured his inability to have bio children, he might have wanted to know and ask her upfront if Suri is his.
I have no idea if he knew and agreed to treat Suri as his or actually believed he got her pregnant and that she had a “short term” pregnancy.
That’s the million dollar question. Plus, who is Suri’s bio dad of course. Josh/ Chris or perhaps another guy we are not aware of (who knows if Katie had some more action going on back in the days).
I doubt he is going to try to “woo” Katie. She seems pretty determined and her new security wouldn’t let him through anyway. He is probably going to California to file for divorce there and try to get it moved where she doesn’t have an advantage at getting Suri.
The best thing that could possibly happen is for Tom Cruise to wake up and smell the coffee, and expose Scientology for what it is. I would say that’s his only “Hail Mary” in this situation. If he really loves Katie and Suri, I think he would, but I think he loves Scientology more (or at least the status/control he thinks he has with them).
He must be in full freakout mode if he flew back from Iceland. He’s probably freaking out more about his image and being caught off guard than the loss of his marriage, etc.
Absolutely. Image is everything. Scientology could destroy him – can you imagine what his audit tapes might reveal? If he tries to disassociate himself from Co$ in an attempt to save his marriage, Miscavige will RUIN him, he’s their cash cow. Katie holds all the cards right now.
@moi – well said. he’s more concerned about his “church” and his image than he is about Katie and his marriage. he’s let an obviously unhappy Katie go this long – why would he suddenly care about her happiness now?
Why is it always Catholicism that gets this from people claiming Scientology is the same as any religion? Granted, the Vatican and Catholic hierarchies have done and are currently doing some horrible things, but they are not the only people who have done horrible things in the name of religion. And the Inquisition, really? Bringing up stuff that happened hundreds of years ago isn’t going to convince anyone of anything. This is boring. Try mixing it up a bit — even Buddhists have committed atrocities, ya know.
I was wondering the same thing. Then again when LRon started this ‘movement’ Catholics were considered poorly in the States (think of the JFK election). Time to MOVE ON and find a new bad guy CO$.
Also, their thing with the Nazis. Strange. If you listen to a recording of Tommy Davis threatening someone with disconnection (I think it is on Village Voice), he goes on and on (and on) comparing this ‘defector’ with being a Nazi supporter.
Why is it always Catholicism that gets this from people claiming Scientology is the same as any religion? Granted, the Vatican and Catholic hierarchies have done and are currently doing some horrible things, but they are not the only people who have done horrible things in the name of religion. And the Inquisition, really? Bringing up stuff that happened hundreds of years ago isn’t going to convince anyone of anything. This is boring. Try mixing it up a bit — even Buddhists have committed atrocities, ya know.
Co$ = Cult of Sh!t.
I wonder what Rosie O’Donnell thinks of her crush TC now?
Oprah too! Rosie is extremely liberal and hadn’t spoken of TC in quite a while so I’m thinking she was trying to distance herself from him after all the crazy shit went down. I’ve always been suspect of Oprah though because she’s never spoken about scientology and routinely had known Sci’s on her show and kissed their asses whole-heartedly.
Suri looks like Tom to me, so I think he’s definitely the bio dad.
I wonder if Tom and Nicole were the subjects of a blind item a while back, can’t rmember from where, about a husband who was insanely controlling ABOUT EVERYTHING and while the wife eventually got out, the craziness infected her and now she’s just as controlling about her life and her image and everything. Anyway..
Still, it always surprises me that Tom thinks he needs Scientology. I think he’d have done fine in life and career w/o it because imo he’s got the goods for what he does. IDK. To me, insanely strict adherence to a cult or religion is just another form of addiction or coping mechanism for something else. But that’s just me.
I have mixed feelings about Katie and what her motivations were and are. I can see getting swept away, getting charmed (I met a cult leader once…you’d think you wouldn’t be charmed, but somehow the charisma sucks you in and your brain is going on the one hand “red alert, red alert” and on the other hand your brain is going, hunh, kinda sexy, interesting…hm, I wonder…), and I can also see that she would have looked at it all as arrangement that would benefit her personally and professionally. How could she have not?
But I don’t know. Something bothers me about the whole thing now.
Doesn’t matter what her motives were five years ago. She’s another person today.
Fair enough. In my head, I was more commenting – poorly – on what’s publicized for the media vs. what really went on and what’s really going on. I still can’t wrap my head around how she could have been so blind to Scientology when she was obstensibly committing her life to it by marrying Tom Cruise, but oh well. Now is what counts, I guess.
You seem to forget ~
Brainwashing is their specialty.
Google Tommy Davis Scientology. Still think Tom is the bio dad?
Yeah. She’s got Cruise’s nose imo.
“Still, it always surprises me that Tom thinks he needs Scientology. I think he’d have done fine in life and career w/o it because imo he’s got the goods for what he does.”
I have thought the same thing. Although I’m sure Hollywood can be plenty scary, with insecurity and egos running rampant, that I could see turning to someone/something for support. He turned to the Co$ and they preyed on him.
I also think Tom is Suri’s father. She may look a little bit like that Co$ guy but she also looks a lot like Tom and his relatives, like his cousin who is also an actor.
I’ve often seen that old/er men marrying young women have SERIOUS control issues. Younger women are easy to push around, easily intimidated and easily impressed.
Testimony of terror at Sea.org and Scientology from escapees..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168225/Beatings-sniper-nests-punishment-block-called-The-Hole-Inside-Scientologys-strict-Sea-Org-organisation-Suri-Cruise-faced-joining–drove-parents-apart.html
I think he will meet with scientologists to strategize. Probably try to get the divorce into a more Scientology-friendly venue like California.
I think he’ll ask for private mediation so none of the dirt becomes public. Can you imagine if the case goes to trial and Katie’s lawyer say they will call Tom’s friends as witnesses to how controlling he is? They’ll subpoena David Miscavige, Tom’s best friend, and ask ALL kinds of questions — like “we want to depose your wife; where is she?”
My bet is, they’ll try to keep it out of court (which runs the risk of scientologists being deposed) at all costs. They may decide it’s not a fight worth fighting.
This is what I’m wondering about. Tom pawned off Isabella and Connor to his sister to raise and homeschool. What does that look like to a judge? Give me shared custody of Suri – so my sister can raise her? How does that look?
Excellent post – especially – “we want to depose your wife; where is she?” Good point. David Miscavige will be looking out for himself, and advising Tom to do what will benefit David, himself. Never thought of it that way.
this twat is an unbelievable WANKER!
I am in LLLOOOVVVEE with the manner in which Katie conducted her…’alien probes’ (ie: auditing). I never cared for her? But her actions both handling TC/COs before the marriage and now with the Divorce?
GO KATIE! She’s our LADY!
Break yourself FREE from MR. SHADY!
GO KATIE!She’s our LADY!
Kick ’em to the curb and
enjoy your PAYDAY!
I’m not so sure Katie would just hand Suri over to Tom not with out some sort of custody agreement. It does look like Katie was smart enough to listen to her father and those audits really are just dirt to keep someone in line. I guess we will have to see where Tom shows up. He is stupid if he thinks he can go to New York and Katie will see him or let him anywhere near Suri by himself. More like he is trying to work out some sort of game plan and of course how to change the current PR going around. Because he just looks bad at the moment and that is something he won’t like at all. He managed to make Nicole look the baddie even though he blindsided her and she had a miscarriage which happened after he filed for divorce. Everyone seemed to forgive him very quickly for his affair with Penelope Cruz which he started long before the split. I wonder if he had someone lined up and now Katie has ruined all those plans too? Both other times his marriages have ended there was always another woman in the background. It should be awhile before Tom is jumping on any couches again.
Ladies, I suggest another name for this site that would better reflect the articles AND the comments: THE CELEBRITY INQUISITION.
They had nothing on you!
This on smh online, which is Sydney’s non tabloid, non Murdoch owned online media outlet: (please read to the last line and bwa-ha-ha-ha really loudly)
Scientology hits back at TomKat rumours
ESTHER HAN
July 4, 2012
A lawyer for the Church of Scientology has slammed the media for stirring up rumours about spying on Katie Holmes and her daughter Suri’s impending enrolment into Scientology’s Sea Organization.
The rumour mill went into overdrive minutes after the actress Katie Holmes, 33, filed for divorce in New York late last week, reportedly blindsiding Tom Cruise.
Garry S. Soter, counsel for the Church of Scientology International, has attempted to debunk claims Tom Cruise planned to enrol his six-year-old daughter into the elite Scientology youth group called Sea Organization.
“The first we’ve heard of this is from the media and the story is preposterous and untrue,” Mr Soter said in a letter to OK! Magazine Australia. “No person younger than age 17 is accepted in the Sea Organization.”
A rumour about Katie being under surveillance by private investigators hired by Scientologists was also addressed. A white Cadillac Escalade and a black Mercedes SUV were spotted outside her New York City apartment recently.
“There is no truth whatsoever to the reports that the Church of Scientology has sent anyone to follow Katie Holmes,” Mr Soter said.
“The church does not “pressure” an individual if their spouse ceases to practice the Scientology religion. Every individual has the right to make his or her own personal choice about their faith and their relationship.”
What a bunch of crooks and hustlers. Seriously? Do they really think we are that effing DUMB?
none of this makes any sense to me. if it was a contract, this whole thing was staged, there is no surprise divorce. she never revealed anything to COS bc she was rational. but then why not just marry him and not bring a kid into it…
or she was head over heels for him and she would have been fully into COS, not smart about not leaking this. i think NK was truly in knee deep.
nor would katie be bolting so cleanly right at the five year mark.
i just dont think she deserves all this credit for breaking free. seems to me like someone who made a deal with the devil and let a kid’s life pay for it.
She is SAVING her daughter’s and her own life by leaving the Cult. Their line is mind control. Read up, if your computer isn’t hijacked already by the co$.
http://www.xenu.net/
Katie and Tom are doen for ever, She could never go back to him because she couldnt trust him not to just pretend to be back with her and not take Suri and fiel for divorce or take off for another country with her, Katie needs to be protected because more than one person who has caused CoS trouble have “fallen off the planet ” never to be seen alive again. My very elderly grandmother was taken for a few hundred thousand dollars by COS many years ago and my father sued them and got much of it back but strange things happened to our house and car and boats while the law suit was going on and it stopped when my father went to the local papers.
I think Katie was so in love with TC and still is that she just ignored COS and thought it would go away but the way he took those kids from Kidman should have sent off warning bells unles she believed the lies they told her about Nichole. Not everyone inh Hollywood knows all about COSm there are people who dont give a rats ass about that creepy cult so Kaite may jave just seen the “good sstuff” before she married him. SHe signed a prenup that gives her nothing ..NOTHING so she had to love himm and I think she still does and that is why she was so miserable because she knew to had to protect Suri and in order to do that she has to dump him and COS. I feel for her.
in regards to these “auditing” sessions.. i wonder would ANYONE especially a global megastar like tom cruise, REALLY AND TRULY TELL THEIR DEEPEST MOST INTIMATE “THOUGHTS” (OR SECRETS) to another person, a religion, a religious leader!!?? no way,no how on this planet would i tell anyone EVERYTHING perhaps my wife and that’s about it! i cannot believe cruise would be that naive or stupid or whatever to spill his most intimate thoughts and feelings to some religion and religious leader! heck, i was raised catholic and the most i ever said during my confessionals with a priest is perhaps “i was mad at my mother because such and such or i stole some candy from a grocery story when i was little, or my wife made me mad the other day ( without saying what she did by the way!) such and such.. and that’s it! catholic confession is meant to say your sorry and ask for forgiveness.. scientology auditing seemingly IS NOT FOR THAT PURPOSE! like i said could ANYONE especially THE tom cruise spill his guts I mean anythng and everything? … there is much speculation of what he could have “confessed’ to.. i mean what he’s a murderer, he’s a rapist, he’s gay, he’s whatever? only something that damning i would think would he be in fear of (blackmailed as well?) of this being made public! and really would anyone much less tom cruise “confess” something this enormous? that would defy sanity and logic when your as famous as cruise… add in the fact that these auditing sessions seemingly were videotaped? without his knowledge? and what he said was written down? without his knowledge as well? cruise really didn’t know this stuff was being done and could and seemingly fall into other’s hands? mark rathbun looks like he was cruise’s main auditor and HE KNOWS what cruise “confessed” to but isn’t talking? how could a famous superstar think it was okay that a “normal average person” would know his intimate most private secrets and be okay with that? HUH!