Iwan Rheon: Ramsey Bolton ‘has to try & behave a little bit better’ with Sansa

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On Game of Thrones, people are starting to believe that Ramsey Bolton – played by Iwan Rheon – is the new Joffrey. I think Ramsey is a sadist, of course, but Joffrey was probably one of the coldest psychopaths ever. Ramsey seems more immature than anything else, like he gets childlike glee from torturing people. I don’t know… I mean, I see the comparisons, obviously, but I don’t think Joffrey and Ramsey are “the same.” Well, Iwan Rheon is talking about his character and what we’ll see from Ramsey this season. You can read the full MTV piece here. Some highlights:

Iwan on filming a scene naked: “It was not the first time it happened, to be honest. You just have to get on with it. It’s not the first time I went to get my ass out for the camera crew.

Ramsey has a girlfriend: “Yeah, it is quite a surprise. He’s probably not the most caring and attentive lover. But I think she’s a bit of a crazy b–ch herself, isn’t she? Having a crazy bastard and a crazy b–ch — it’s perfect.”

Ramsey’s relationship with Theon/Reek: “He knew how important Theon Greyjoy was [before], but I think he got a little bit carried away, doing what he did… He managed to change Theon Greyjoy into basically a puppet; a subservient creature who wouldn’t even slit his throat when he had a razor next to it, which is extraordinary. He’s so afraid of him… That’s some serious work from Ramsay. Now, I think he might possibly be a little bit too overly confident with him. I don’t think he intended for [Sansa] to find him like that. He had to make a move. I don’t think he was ready to show her Theon; that wasn’t part of the plan. She sees him and his hand is forced, he’s got to do something about it, and that’s his reaction. So I think he’s still figuring out what to do, to be honest. I think he’s enjoying it, but it’s a dangerous path, because he’s got to have some humanity left — Theon, or Reek, whatever you call him.

Whether Ramsey will torture Sansa: “He’s got to behave himself a little bit better — he’s a lord now. I think his dad said to him, “Listen boy, no more f–king about”… I think having his father there is a huge influence on Ramsay, because the problem with Theon was he was left alone with him while his father was off fighting a war. Ramsay was left at the Dredfort to his own devices; he was bored. So I think having his dad there is good in terms of Ramsay’s behavior, because he has to try and behave a little bit better. But he’s over the moon with the whole situation — it couldn’t have turned out better. It’s the name for him, that means loads. If he marries her and they have children, then he’s got a really firm grasp on the north… Ramsay is excited… I don’t think he expected it to be quite so good when his dad told him he was getting hitched.

Whether Ramsey is better boyfriend material than Joffrey: “Ehhhh. [Laughs] Possibly. I don’t know. It’s a difficult one, they’re both pretty awful. I think that would have to be down to a personal choice.

On Roose Bolton’s “you’re my son” moment: “He was saying it to get Ramsay to tow in line and behave himself — possibly meaning it to a certain degree, but if he gets a legitimate son, how long is Ramsay going to live? He’s a nutter. Everything has a Machiavellian element to it.

[From MTV]

He also says that he and Alfie Allen get along well enough in real life. Over the years, I’ve heard Alfie mentioned as one of the more popular cast members, like he’s just happy to be on the show and he gets along with everyone. As for the rest of it… yeah, I’m guessing that Ramsey feels like he’s “on notice” with his dad a little bit, especially since Roose is expecting a child with his own wife. Roose could have his own legitimate heir in no time. But many think that Sansa probably will have to marry Ramsey anyway and try to get a Stark-Bolton heir in there. God, I hope it doesn’t come to that. Where the hell is Littlefinger?

Oh, and out of his GoT costume, Iwan looks totally normal and not-sadistic.

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  1. Sarah says:

    Iwan is beautiful and amazing. He has a lovely singing voice and sounds even lovelier speaking Welsh. Go watch Misfits S01-S03

    • CM says:

      Ah Misfits! Loved that show. Esp Kelly in the first few series!

    • Sixer says:

      Oh, man. The Sixlets LOVED Misfits. Alisha was my favourite.

      • CM says:

        And Nathan – the character should’ve been SO much more annoying, but the actor somehow managed to pull it off. Never watched the last season actually. Not even sure if I saw season 4. Still have them recorded on our V+ box though – worth a look or should I keep my memories of the earlier stuff intact?

      • Sixer says:

        The Sixlets have a DVD box set. When they get it out, they almost always watch the first couple of seasons. So I think save your memories!

      • Sarah says:

        @CM please dont watch the rest. S01-03 were the best and it just goes downhill. Simon and Alisha and Kelly leave after S03 and Nathan was gone after S02. Curtis was the worst character but stays haha go figure

      • CM says:

        OK thanks! It’s a relief actually – too many shows to catch up with, too little time. And I know you must be right cos I completely agree about Curtis (although I liked the actor in Utopia recently)

      • mimif says:

        @Sixer, I started watching Penny Dreadful per your suggestion. 😱

      • Sixer says:

        @ mimif – do you like it? I’m revelling in S2. It makes me miss T.Fanty and Miss Eyre, and their endless enthusiasm for the show.

      • mimif says:

        Yes I do, it’s right up my alley. I missed season one and went straight to 2 (I know, but I’m itinerant right now and it was what was on at the hotel). Bit gory tho! This coming from a GoT fanatic. 😉
        P.S. TIMOTHY!

      • Sixer says:

        I found the first couple of episodes of S1 hard going and only persevered because Fanty and Miss Eyre commanded it. But by episode 3, I was hooked. And now, it’s up there with my besties.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Penny Dreadful is great!

    • Gretchen says:

      Yes! I haven’t watched Misfits, but I saw him years and years ago performing Spring Awakening (along with another lovely Welsh lad Aneurin Barnard, aka Richard the 3rd in The White Queen) in London. He has a wonderful voice.

      • Sarah says:

        The best bit of Misfits is spotting all the GOT actors. Catelynn, Missandei, Ramsey, the prostitute from s05 Tyrion meets before his kidnapping, Pypar, Yoren!

        Haha not really, I love early Misfits. It is hilarious!

      • betsy says:

        Yeah I saw him in Spring Awakening and he was amazing. Personally I thought him much better than John gallagher Jr. A clip of him singing Dont Do Sadness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KelpTW-mzBo

  2. SJean says:

    He was adorable as Ashe on Vicious!

    • Bored suburbanhousewife says:

      OMG yes I could not believe it was the same actor who played freaky psycho Ramsay! Ashe is just a big sweet golden retriever of a guy on Vicious. His acting range is impressive and I know he used to sing in a band as well. I look forward to watching his career.

  3. Sixer says:

    I don’t understand crazy evil person terminology very well. But in my little mind, Joffrey was the entitled, posh psychopath, while Ramsey is the scuzzy, commoner psychopath. The former lacked self awareness, while the latter has it in bucketloads.

    • mom2two says:

      You make a good point. I think with Ramsey, we are getting a glimpse of what Joffrey would have turned into had he lived.

    • Size Does Matter says:

      I’d agree with that comparison. Joffrey was completely spoiled rotten and crazy, and Ramsay has daddy issues and is crazy.

      Poor Iwan (how do you pronounce it?) I think will be permanent-Ramsay to most U.S. show watchers. He’s great in the role.

      SPOILER

      And I’m still hoping the upcoming horrible scene involves vicarious bad things observed by Theon and done to someone other than Sansa, like Myranda.

      • Brittney B says:

        To me he’s permanent-Simon from Misfits.

        Never jumped on the Game of Thrones train, though… only clicked this story to see his adorable face. Even Iwan can’t make the violence okay (for my sensitive brain that sponges up gore and replays it forever).

      • Sarah says:

        It’s hard to write pronunciations clearly…
        it’s like ih-wann. The “ih” is a short vowel sound

        If that makes sense?
        YouTube him speaking Welsh where he says his name in his proper accent. Lovely!

    • LadyMTL says:

      I actually think that Joff was a sociopath and Ramsey is more of a sadist. I mean, Ramsey seems to be aware of his actions (and that what he’s doing is soooo off the wall, even if he does enjoy it) whereas Joffrey legitimately thought he had every right to be a little monster, and never seemed to comprehend that his actions were wrong.

      *Puts her dusty old psychology degree back on the shelf* 😛

      • Joy says:

        I feel like in the book, Joffrey was more of a big whiney baby who like to see bad things happen after he put them in motion, while never getting his own hands dirty. BUT ol Ramsey is just a freaky deaky I want to feel this person die in my own hands kind of weirdo. On the show, I would say they are about the same.

      • Abbott says:

        @LadyMTL Wait! Don’t file away that degree yet! Do you think there’s any hope for Reek?

      • mimif says:

        Lol Abot, your tenacity is endearing. 😀

      • Abbott says:

        mmph your ability to crush one’s hopes and remind that we all die alone is what gives me the strength to keep tenacitying. #FreeReek

  4. thaliasghost says:

    Given that it is the 70th anniversary of the liberation from facism – which means that I have spent the past several weeks reading a lot of accounts of Holocaust survivors, it’s very hard to stomach any fictional glorification of sadism/torturing right now. I wonder why we have this fascination with it and even humanize it by depicting it this way while we are unable to stop it happening in real life.

    • Sarah says:

      Oh dear…

      Every day is the memorial for something or other. The world keeps turning and no one event will stop it. There’s no glorification of torture in GOT. It’s horrible and everyone ia disgusted by it. War is on tv as is rape and crime and death. All bad things. We shouldn’t stop bringing them to light

    • Brittney B says:

      I don’t watch Game of Thrones precisely because of the violence… but to those who say it’s not glorification, I have to say that you might be giving viewers too much credit. Maybe SOME viewers are smart or empathetic enough to be horrified by the violence and realize it’s illustrating the futility and barbaric nature of murder. I’m willing to bet this show wouldn’t be as popular if it weren’t so violent though… think about the Sopranos and Breaking Bad. People LOVE watching fictional characters treat each other horribly. I can’t stomach it at all; it’s not entertainment to me.

      They also inserted rape and sexism into storylines that didn’t previously have it, so that’s enough to make me not watch, even if there weren’t beheadings and battle scenes.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        There some torture porn in the show but there’s a lot of torture porn in the books as well. It is framed as a critique but represented with a rather horrid amount of glee too.

  5. Louise says:

    Good Welsh guy! but man Roose Bolton does things to me…I mean, I wish he would! that voice. So hot!

    • Cate says:

      So with you there! Get him, Jeremy Irons and Alan Rickman to follow me around and narrate my life… Swoon!

    • Sixer says:

      If you like Welsh people/things AND a good speaking voice, here’s Owen Teale (Ser Alliser) doing First Voice in Under Milk Wood.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C6whXo7jyE

      • Malificent says:

        Thank you for the link Sixer!
        I need to have a cigarette now — and I don’t even smoke….

    • Jenns says:

      Thank God I am not alone. I was afraid to admit this to anyone.

      I was so conflicted on Sunday night because when he was telling Ramsey about his mother, it was such a terrible story. But his voice was just so soothing, I didn’t want him to stop talking…

      • Louise says:

        You are not alone! oh man, Roose Bolton is very very hot. That voice!!!!!!!!! where does it come from. Roose is actually kind of cool with his observations and put downs. They had better not kill him off.

        I was hot for Ser Jorah but Roose just kills it!

    • mimif says:

      *raises hand* Roose is disturbingly hot, I was telling paola that he looks a bit like Christopher Meloni.

    • Olenna says:

      I don’t know if I’d call it nice, but Roose does have a recognizable voice (just ask poor Catelyn). The Bolton character and his voice as so tied together for me that I don’t think I could appreciate hearing it any other role or medium.

    • jammypants says:

      Yes. The older men on the show do things to me (and the nice young ones like Daario, Oberyn, Jon). Heck even Tywin Lannister’s voice makes my ears tingle.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      Glad I’m not the only one who thinks the actor playing Roose Bolton is a sexy beast. 😉

  6. mom2two says:

    Little bit of trivia from one the GoT DVD’s. Iwan Rheon was their second choice for Jon Snow. Personally, I would have loved to see him be Jon Snow.

    I have a hard time watching the Boltons on screen, they are so unpleasant. Ramsey makes Roose look like such a weak leader (if you can’t control your son, how can you expect to control a land of people who hate your guts). Ramsey makes Joffrey look like a kitten, he’s WAY worse. The show has to tone him down because some of the stuff he does to his wife in the books just wouldn’t fly on TV. He and Alfie really do get along well on real life and yes, I have heard Alfie is very popular on set because he’s a nice and friendly guy. Iwan is too. It seems like most of the cast, past and present, are friendly. I don’t think I have read about a snob or a problem cast member on that show.
    I fear for Sansa. I want Ramsey nowhere near her person. But now with Roose’s wife pregnant (and she and her baby are so doomed, karma for Robb Stark…) and Ramsey being legitmized, he’s going to want Sansa to give him heirs. No way he leaves her alone.

    • Abbott says:

      I didn’t know that about the Iwan/Jon link!

      I did read that Milisandre auditioned (or was asked to audition) for Cersei but her schedule wouldn’t allow it.

      • mia girl says:

        I just gagged.

        If Melisandre was actually Cersei GOT would be a totally different experience for me. As if I haven’t shared this enough on GOT threads, I really don’t care for that actress at all.

      • Abbott says:

        @mia girl, I guess you won’t be partaking in Melisandre’s Twitter Q&A this afternoon? 😉

      • mia girl says:

        Abbott. I just might if only to ask her
        “How does it feel to play a Cinemax* level character on an HBO show?”
        *hat-tip to mimif

      • Abbott says:

        mia girl, I’m going to get some other questions in but I’ll end with yours, in case I get blocked 🙂 Will report back my findings!

      • mimif says:

        Waiting for your report, Aboteek!

    • Lilacflowers says:

      The whole Bolton situation makes my skin crawl, both in the books and on the show. I too fear for Sansa since they have basically recast her in the Jeyne Poole role. Sansa actually has more power than Jeyne but she’s alone and she has no idea who will rise up to help her.

      The cast does all seem to get along well. The only conflict I’ve heard about involves Lena Headley and the actor who plays Bronn, because they had past history.

      • Abbott says:

        Oooo what’s the story on Cersei and Bronn?

      • mia girl says:

        Lena and Jerome Flynn dated for a while in the early aughts. It ended badly and so word is they are kept apart on GOT set. They are said to not even be on speaking terms.

      • mom2two says:

        I didn’t know that. I second Abbott’s question…

      • Abbott says:

        The Google says mia girl is correct, though apparently there was an on-set fight at one point?

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      I can’t even watch the torture scenes. I fast forward through them. I read the books, so I get it, but now they’ve taken this detour and I’ll have to watch the Ramseys again.

    • Mrs Darcy says:

      Is that true? Wow, Iwan would have made a wonderful John Snow, Kit Harrington is so so awful. And he is not even dreamy looking (my opinion) to suffer his lack of acting chops 🙁

      However dreadful Ramsay is, Iwan has really brought the character to life. Only problem is, in the books Ramsay was supposed to look ugly and repulsive, who Sansa would never ever even glance at! So this Sansa angle really is a deviation on all counts!
      And Iwan always reminds me of Tom Everett Scott!

      • GlimmerBunny says:

        I’m not sure how I feel about these news. On one hand I hate Kit Harington’s portrayal as Jon, but on the other hand the (super sexy) Iwan is perfect as Ramsay and I can’t imagine him playing anyone else. Maybe a third option? I know Harry Lloyd (Viserys Targaryen) auditioned for Jon too and he is FINE, especielly with his natural black hair.

        http://bit.ly/1HducwG

      • mom2two says:

        That was said in one of the DVD commentaries ( I believe for either season 3 or 4) by one of the producers. I agree with you, I am no fan of Kit’s acting (he seems lovely in real life but lacks charisma on screen) and I think Iwan would have done wonders with the role. Supposedly Alfie Allen and Joe Dempsie also tried out for Jon Snow.
        The one person who I think could have made a terrific Jon Snow (except he played Viserys) is Harry Lloyd, whose looks aligned with how I pictured Jon Snow in the books. And he’s a terrific actor too.

      • mom2two says:

        @GlimmerBunny, I did not know Harry Lloyd tried out for Jon. He would have been so perfect. I love him.

      • GlimmerBunny says:

        Yeah I saw you suggest it and I though you knew about it. I’m still bitter, Harry is such a charismatic, talented and handsome man. Kit is… not.

      • Mrs Darcy says:

        Thanks for those links about Harry Lloyd..I had no idea that he is seriously good looking with Black hair and yet so lme looking with those Targaryen hair lol
        He almost looks like a younger brother to Fassbender 😐

      • mayamae says:

        I found Harry Lloyd’s performance too campy. He fit in perfectly with Bad Lip Reading.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ

      • mimif says:

        Yeah I thought he was totally over the top as Viserys. Like him and the Red Witch should have had their own Campy Traveling Road Show.

    • senna says:

      Kit Harrington is getting better now that his role is less self-contained, but he’s always lacked that emotional depth I perceive when I read Book Jon Snow’s POV. Iwan would have made an AMAZING Jon Snow. He gives me chills as Ramsay, though; he’s fantastic.

    • Bridget says:

      I think that also helps to explain why they’ve made the Bolton storyline so big.

      I still wish it had worked out for Jennifer Ehle to be Catelyn. Though I’m very happy that Lena Headey is Cersei, I couldn’t have pictured anyone else (though its hard to tell with the actress who plays Melisandre, who’s a crappy character to begin with).

    • ArtHistorian says:

      I think Iwan would have been amazing as Jon Snow! Jon has never been my favorite character but Kit Harrington is just so wooden that he kills what little enjoyment I had in the character.

  7. Abbott says:

    He looks like a pleasant young lad whilst not playing Ramsay. Don’t get me wrong, if I ever saw him in person there’d be an Abbott-shaped puff of smoke left behind… but he seems nice.

    Had a way-too-long conversation with my coworkers on who in Winterfell gets flayed next.

    • Size Does Matter says:

      What was the flaying consensus? I don’t see how Sansa can avoid a bedding. I bet she’s wishing she had done the deed with Tyrion and lost her marriage bartering appeal. And Tyrion was so kind to her.

      • GlimmerBunny says:

        I bet she wished she had done it with Littlefinger. I sure would if I was her, he is totally hot! Ramsay is hot too BUT insane.

      • Abbott says:

        Consus is Wanda is next, though my bookreading coworkers keep swaying to another character…

        She should’ve stuck with Tyrion. That probably wasn’t possible considering how that played out, but I wonder if things would’ve been a bit different had Sansa found her backbone earlier.

      • Jedi says:

        i secretly think Ramsay is hot too…shame crush.

      • mimif says:

        Wanda is next! *dead*

        Sansa isn’t going anywhere (they need her) and you’re all lucky I have to drive to the airport now so I don’t spoil anything further….

      • Jedi says:

        Poor Wanda. Its not her fault her father is a murderous bastard (who still needs to get his) and married her off to another murderous bastard.

      • Size Does Matter says:

        If Sansa and Ramsay do the deed I don’t think he will survive long. She’s more valuable to the show as a widow than a runaway despoiled bride.

      • Bridget says:

        She’s Walda, not Wanda. Nerds.

        I’ve gotta do my keyboard warrior-ing today.

      • Abbott says:

        Bridget is right. That was my bad for not being a fact check understanderer.

      • mimif says:

        Word munchers.

      • paolanqar says:

        Next will be Myranda unless Ramsay kills his own father first. And that wuold never happen.

      • Bridget says:

        Walda really is the expendable one. If Ramsay kills her his father is stuck with Ramsay as his only heir again, and there won’t be any Frey retribution over a random daughter. But Ramsay also needs Roose – he’ll never hold the North without his father holding together their men.

      • mimif says:

        How bout this, Ramsey kills Wanda and his half-brother, Roose kills Ramsey (somewhere in here Myranda dies too, she’s already in deep shit for showing Sansa Reek), so Ramsey takes Sansa as his bride. Talk about nasssty.

      • Bridget says:

        I was kind of wondering about that. Ramsay is a liability especially among the Northerners, and Roose is a cold, cold man.

      • mimif says:

        Emphasis on cold. OR, Roose is a skin changer* and is just keeping Ramsey around for his…face. I mean seriously, would a man that cold and calculating keep an unpredictable monster like Ramsey around just cuz he needed an heir? I think not. OR…okay, I’ll stop (and besides I just posted the OR down thread).

        *You know me and my tinfoil.

      • Bridget says:

        Bahaha! If he’s a Faceless Man that would bring a different dimension to the story

        And I’ve never really understood why he kept Ramsay around either

      • mimif says:

        I don’t have delightful children, but my (insomniac) brain is definitely fried today as well, so forgive me if I repeat myself. But seriously, think about it. Flaying is not unlike what the Faceless Men do, except of course, the latter flay dead people. So, maybe a little history there. Maybe Roose is/was a Faceless Man gone awry, and just steals the faces of his sons/kins BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO FAMILY HISTORY. Just saying.

        *nods off*

  8. mimif says:

    Where’s Kiddo? I love the blue detailing on his shoes. i hope he doesn’t have a little heroin problem as I believe Lainey hinted at.

  9. Talie says:

    My own theory — and I’m hoping it’s true — is that the threat and tension looming large in the Sansa/Ramsay scenes is mostly a red herring. I think Sansa will find a way to make Ramsay hers as Littlefinger instructed her to do. She’s not a warrior so I don’t think people should expect her to pull an Arya. She is more in the Margaery vein of having to manipulate.

  10. Ashling says:

    I’m sure Sansa and Ramsey will consummate their marriage, but I don’t think he will hurt her. The Northern Lords would revolt. Roose wants peace. Ramsey might make Theon stay and watch them, but that isnt THAT unusual given that they have already shown bedding ceremonies to be the norm in Westeros. Roose and Cat and Rob and Talisa discussed it at Edmure’s wedding, with Rob saying the purpose was needing ‘proof’ the lord and lady did the deed. And I think Petyr Baelish will return in an ep or two and he and Sansa will F things up for the Boltons. I’m not as worried about Sansa as some.

    • Size Does Matter says:

      I could live with that, I suppose. But this inevitable bedding will be somewhat traumatic no matter how tender Ramsay is. Does Sansa (and people in general) know how sadistic Ramsay is? I mean yes, the flayed man is the sigil, but still.

      • Bridget says:

        Sansa is going to have to put out at some point, though it’ll be interesting to see how the show differs further from the Jeyne Poole story, which was not pleasant. I keep waiting for Sansa to pull something – she learned at the feet of Cersei, Olenna and Littlefinger. Either she’s a complete idiot or she’s playing a long game.

        It might even help propel things along if Ramsay m istreats Sansa. The North isn’t okay with the Boltons being in Winterfell and it would be the kind of flashpoint they need.

      • mimif says:

        Long game, long game! I think the bit about Roose checking Ramsey (and Iwan’s comments above) can lead us to surmise that Sansa is not going to be a flash in the pan. Ramsey is the weak link here, Roose so much as said it himself.

      • Bridget says:

        It has to be a long game, because Sansa may be the only Stark that’s going to be able to lead in Winterfell – Bran is gone as a green-seer, Rickon is a child and Arya’s got a new calling. And what’s the point of torturing and killing her, as far as telling a story? It becomes violence for the sake of violence (which I think the books are struggling with). If she doesn’t pull something together what is the point of this entire part of the story?

  11. Davy says:

    I think the mounting tension and fear for Sansa is enough. Book readers expect she is taking the place of Jeyne but I think Myranda will be the one to suffer that horrible scene the actors keep talking about.

    Here’s what I want to see: Sansa manipulates Ramsey into killing Roose & Walda with the promise of the two of them running Winterfell and making an heir. She also manipulates Theon into killing Ramsey then himself.

    Essentially I want to see her use her wits and cunning like Littlefinger to let the Boltons take themselves out.

    • Malificent says:

      Yup — I think Sansa is being set up to run the show. She’s already started to figure out that she’s not powerless — getting one over on Littlefinger was no small feat.

      It’s a different scenario from where the books are going with Sansa, so anything can happen. I like that they don’t follow the books too closely — makes it fun to see what will happen next.

    • Cindy says:

      Oooohhhh….that would be good. I hope you are right.

  12. sarah says:

    Kaiser, i actually disagree with your comparison of Jofreey and Ramsy! I always thought of Jofreey as the more child-ish immature character and Ramsy as calculating and sadistic. My take, is that, Jofreys evil-nish is part blood but mostly nurtured, growing up in privilege and inflated ego, while Ramsay’s evil-ness comes from self hatred and self resentment of the label ‘bastard’ and desperate need to push limits for father’s approval. Ramsy is more than willing-and enjoys-to fight, while Jofrey either gets one to fight for him or uses far range.

  13. coffeeisgood says:

    Eh Sansa is the weak link in the Stark family. Its been awhile since I read the books so I may be incorrect here, but I remember that its implied that all the Stark kids could warg into their wolves, but I don’t recall Sansa ever doing it. She is northern royalty and she is gonna settle for a bastard from the family that butchered her mother and brother? Hell no, Sansa you better run girl. That plan is not gonna play out how you think it will.

    • Seán says:

      @CoffeeIsGood;

      It took the Stark kids a significant amount of time to warg into their direwolves. Bran and Rickon do it at the end of Book 1. Jon and Robb do it in Book 2 and Arya doesn’t do it until Book 3, due to being separated from her wolf. Sansa’s wolf, Lady, died before all of this so her lack of warging doesn’t make her a weak link. Her wolf died before she could forge a supernatural bond.

      • phlyfiremama says:

        Book 1 very faintly hints at the possibility of the mindlink between Lady & Sansa but Lady gets killed off too soon for Sansa to develop, and it never goes anywhere. The warg power obviously comes from the Stark blood, since Jon has it as well. It is fun to see Sansa finally get interesting~I expect the sweet innocence she has displayed so far will fool people when she finally makes her move.

      • mimif says:

        Agree with phylfiremama, it was implied that Sansa did have that connection.
        @coffee, what would you have Sansa do? As far as she knows, her entire family is dead and she has no one to trust, not even LF. Where is she going to run? She knows the Boltons are dangerous, IMO her only card is going with the charade until she gains some modicum of control. I’m not a Sansa fan, but she’s slowly been making some fairly significant character changes, and I expect we will see her develop even further before GRRM kills her off.

    • Mom2two says:

      GRRM has said all of the Stark children can warg (Jon included). We don’t get it in Sansa POV’s because her wolf dies early on.

    • WendyNerd says:

      That’s because her spiritual avatar was butchered before she could establish that connection.

      Robb is so obviously the weak link. Indicated by the fact that he got his dumb ass killed.

  14. Clara says:

    oh he is such a gorgeous gorgeous man.

  15. Cindy says:

    I think the difference between the two psychopaths is their willingness to get their hands dirty. Joff was whiney, pissy and cowardly. He loved to torment humans like they were toys. And above all he was a tantrumy mama’s boy. Ramsey would wade in blood if he could, kinda like a serial killer. And nobody loves him and he knows it.

    I am really curious to see what they do with Reek. Like the poster above said, I wonder if Sansa will try to gain some control over him and use him to kill Ramsey.

    • mayamae says:

      I think Ramsey is much worse than Joffrey. Joffrey was immature and got bored easily. Ramsey has the patience for torture, and that’s what makes him so sadistic.

  16. mimif says:

    WHAT HAVE YOU PEOPLE BEEN DOING WITHOUT ME ALL DAY?!

    • BunnyBabe says:

      Mimif….! Been waiting to hear some theories today but alas just opinions on the show/characters.

      Found a cool thread on reddit… (Spoilers All) Coldhands, the Night’s King and Bran’s Weirwood Visions. : asoiaf

      Search for it! Iduno how to link stuff. Lol

      Also Tywin and Roose are heaven on earth for me. I ain’t got no type… Old powerful lord dudes is the only thing that I like

      • mimif says:

        That’s the best thing about GoT, there’s enough types for everybody to go back for seconds. 😀

        I’m all out of theories! Totally baffled by Coldhands, TOTALLY OBSESSED with the Night’s King and whether or not Roose is his son (and therefore *possibly* related to the Starks), and haven’t delved too deep into Bran territory yet, but only because I’m more interested in his little turd stache he’s sporting on the show. Lol

        To link stuff, all you need to do is copy and paste the URL from your address bar, tho it usually needs to be cleared by the mods first. Does that make sense? Like this:

        http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/94480-crackpot-roose-bolton-is-a-descendant-of-the-nights-king/

      • Bridget says:

        My delightful children fried my brain today, so I’ve got nothing… but I will say that it wouldn’t be unusual for Bolton or any of the Northern houses to have Stark blood. There’s even an entire house of Karstarks, who are distantly related.

      • mimif says:

        Sigil Duck Lips, right?

  17. Vera says:

    OMG! I just figured out that Rheon also plays Ash on the BBC show Vicious with Ian McClellan and Derek Jacobi. What took me so long?

    • mimif says:

      Because most of the time it’s really difficult to look at Ramsey’s creepy torture face?