Johnny Depp has been “recuperating on his private island” for about a week now. The Hollywood Vampires’ European tour was over last week, and Depp flew to the private island he bought, years ago, for himself and his family. A source told People Magazine that:
“Johnny is doing okay. He likes retreating to his private island whenever he can. He hasn’t been there for a while, and really seems happy being there now… He wants to see his kids, but otherwise he isn’t looking forward to returning [to L.A.]. He doesn’t seem too worried about court though. He has an excellent lawyer who is taking care of things.”
Yeah, I’m so glad we got this important update on how HE feels. People Mag also says that Depp is due back in LA tomorrow, Wednesday, in time for Friday’s restraining order hearing and court appearance. So, we’ve established that Depp is away from LA… so why were his friends removing a bunch of stuff from the apartment Depp once shared with Amber? Yesterday afternoon/evening, Depp’s people began removing items from the LA apartment and Amber Heard’s people called the police. While Depp had permission, from the temporary restraining order, to have some of his items removed, there is some question whether these items fall into that description.
Amber Heard’s camp just called the police … claiming Johnny Depp’s people are taking items from his downtown L.A. home in violation of the restraining order she has against him. Law enforcement sources tell TMZ … LAPD officers are responding to a possible violation of a court order. Johnny was ordered to stay 100 yards away from his home with Amber when she got the temporary restraining order.
Sources connected to the former couple tell us Johnny himself is not there, but his people are removing things from the walls and taking furniture out of the home. Part of the restraining order includes a “move-out order” … which allows Depp to take personal clothing and belongings needed until Friday’s hearing. Amber’s camp believes his people are overreaching, especially because Johnny is in the Bahamas right now. The insinuation is clear … why the urgency? Sources close to Depp confirm his team is taking “personal items” and they believe it’s within the scope of what the order allows.
Amber was apparently not home either – she’s probably in London, or en route to London right now for her Aquaman/Justice League fittings. Apparently, Depp’s people really were trying to take furniture and bigger items from the apartment but the police officers made them put everything back?
And finally, Amber’s lawyers have just filed new paperwork withdrawing Amber’s request for temporary spousal support. Amber doesn’t want to deal with the money side of things at Friday’s hearing, she just wants to deal with the restraining order alone, and deal with spousal support at a later date, probably through the divorce settlement negotiations. Sources tell TMZ that Amber only requested spousal support because she “thought it was standard operating procedure in a divorce case, but now feels Depp’s team is twisting it in the media. In the docs, she says it’s being ‘used against me to distract and divert the public away from the very serious real issue of domestic violence.’” That’s a really smart move, I think.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Team Amber.
yup. Me too. All the way
I’ve interviewed lots of authentic abuse victims in shelters — she feels a bit too organized about all this.
And she was arrested for domestic abuse against her previous female partner. That doesn’t seem to get much attention.
I believe he was high and got violent with her but I think she seems kinda calculating. She has a lot more resources than the women I met, some of them elderly.
So does having resources and people to advise you mean abuse doesn’t matter?! Yes, there are horrible stories out there because this is an issue that crosses all boundaries.
Her ex-girlfriend claims that it was a public fight that was blown out of proportion by a couple of homophobic cops in order to embarrass them.
Also — she drops her request for support because of rampant claims that she’s a golddigger and people still label her as suspicious and overly “organized.” Not surprising but still disappointing.
She just can’t win… if she floats she’s a witch
And again with the perfect victim trope, @Joan.
Do you think that Scientology is less harmful because Katie Holmes was “a bit too organised” about escaping Tom Cruise with her daughter? And is Holmes “suspect” for pulling that off with such total aplomb? Or is “organisation” only an issue for you when minimal, and deployed against Johnny Depp?
It’s very, very sad if a woman taking all the most expert advice on how to protect herself when leaving an abusive relationship – a woman with more money than most of us will ever have, and a close and supportive group of friends – is deemed less than plausible because she isn’t trapped, poor, and desperate. It reminds me of those who say nobody is a real rape victim unless the perp is a stranger pulling her into an alley, leaving her with easily visible injuries.
As to the ‘nobody seems to mention her own DV’, well, you must not read any comments beyond this site. And on here, perhaps that’s because the supposed victim has said it was BS, no charges were laid, and in any event it has absolutely no bearing on whether she herself was a victim. You don’t need to pass a popularity or virtue test to become a victim of abuse. And Johnny Depp didn’t have the right to attack her, period.
@Joan – with your attitude and comments I don’t think you should be allowed to work with or interview vulnerable women ever.
@joan
I work with victims of dva every week. there is no typical victim nor is there a typical response. Many victims who have good resources and have access to decent advice and have moved closer and closer to the door have their ducks in a row simply to provide them with safety
I believe you are trying to slur Heard
@joan
I’m getting really tired of people implying she is lying because she is “organized”, and seems to know what she is doing or that she is after money. It is especially disturbing when these same people say they worked with domestic violence victims. The only differences between Amber Heard and other victims who run to shelters is timing and money. The women who are at shelters are running for their lives at that moment and are terrified. This is the point where you’re interviewing them. Of course it is a different situation.
I also know a lot about domestic violence victims. I was one myself and my mother was an RN and counselor who worked at a domestic violence shelter. We often had women who were running living at our home when they could no longer stay at the shelter or there was no room.
This is a story that is being played out in the media because it sells. You can’t possibly know enough about her to judge her and her situation by what you read in the media. Further, good for her for getting it together and being so organized!
If you have worked in a domestic violence shelter, think of what you are saying before you say it. What you say may deter other domestic violence victims from getting the help they need.
@ Joan
I work daily with women and children who are “authentic victims” of DV at shelters, temporary housing, etc. I’m a case manager who, in general, helps them regain stability. Your comment about her seeming “a bit too organized” makes me think that you only volunteer at a shelter and likely never was properly trained. I’m curious to know how you actually assist these victims by interviewing them? Are you trained in psychology? I ask because if make these women relive dramatic experiences without the qualifications to help them deal with the emotions, you are doing them a great disservice and quite prosily could be hurting them. Further, your comment makes me believe that you don’t have education or experience dealing with DV outside of the shelter setting. People, regardless of gender, react to DV differently. The women who are at DV shelters are likely low/no income with limited resources, which presents a completely different set of problems that they must deal with when compared to women who have more support and income. Amber has a powerful attorney and many friends who are able to assist with her “organization.” Perhaps it would be helpful for you to gain some knowledge of DV before you continue “interviewing authentic victims.”
Absolutely with her.
Absolutely.
Yup. And very smart move on Amber’s part. The money aspect was being used against her to distract from the issue at the heart of this, which is Depp’s abuse and substance issues. Heart may not be the best word there.
And it’s sad that most media didn’t even explained why she asked for that spousal support. I did some digging and even thought it is contested by many, in California, when you divorce from someone much richer than you, you can totally ask for spousal support that will allow you to keep the same lifestyle until the divorce is out. This is something really common when we are talking about rich people. But of course that information goes against the narrative they want to sell us…
I was disgusted to watch Wendy Williams and see her focus on the money. You could tell she was torn about not dismissing a charge of DV or abuse. So she left that alone and questioned Amber seeking spousal support.
She was like “I’ve never heard of Amber Heard before she got with Johnny Depp”. Her only negative about Johnny was to side-eye his claim to not have abused Amber. So she tried to play it off as BOTH guilty of something. Disappointing. Smart move Amber. But hate that she has to keep bending backwards to prove herself. To other women!
Not surprised. I dont think if I have ever heard Wendy say anything halfway progressive regarding another woman. All women are money grubbing whores, fame grubbing whores, cheating whores, scheming whores, desparate whores, dumb whores or just whores. Nothing Wendy says about another woman could ever surprise me.
Wendy has a lot of hate in her heart for people, especially other women.
I agree annaloo., Wendy Williams is a horrible person and will use any opportunity to shame another woman.
agreed
however why should she be treated worse and be in a worse financial situation than other divorcees simply because she is daring to tell the truth about his abusive behaviour
typically she would get a much larger payment than 50k per month whilst waiting for the divorce
i get why she is separating out the two but it is a sorry state of affairs that she has to – simply to be granted the safety of the restraining order again
Wendy Williams is a gross human being. She thinks every woman should marry a man for money. It makes me said that she had a platform and so many people listening to her jaded advice. And she needs to talk a look in an Honest mirror and see how she looks before she attacks another woman’s looks. She is so full of herself.
Yes.
I am so pleased for her that she seems to have really good lawyers, and also that she is being strong and not backing down. Team amber all the way!
TC- Not surprised, there’s long been talk of Wendy being abused by HER husband.
I wish it was 2005 and we could all wear Team Amber shirts.
Absolutely
ditto #istandwithamber
I’m not going to defend Johnny Depp, but I don’t understand why Amber Heard isn’t cooperating with police to open an investigation to prove her domestic violence allegations? I don’t understand why she and her sources will leak statements to the media but won’t sit for a deposition so that she can be free of Depp? I don’t understand why, a domestic abuse victim, would refer to her pictures of being abused as a “trove”, or why she would then sell those pictures to People magazine? And her disappearing and reappearing bruises between the time she filed are a mystery. There’s too much conflicting information for me to believe there are not ulterior motives for why she’s appealing for sympathy from the masses rather than have her day in court. Aside from ruining his career, she doesn’t seem to be truthful about her intentions with the media blitz.
I never noticed before, that in so many pictures, Amber and Johnny look like they just had a fight…their faces tell a whole story…she looks beaten down, and he looks pissed off…
Yeah, I see pics of them in a whole new light now.
I noticed the same.
If you look at the photos with her ex girlfriend you can see she used to smile a lot, and she seemed full of life. I was stunned by how different she was. With Johnny she always seemed mortified. I really wish her to go back to her happy smiling self.
Yeah she used to look smug to me but now all I see is sadness.
The only time I’ve ever seen them looking truly happy was when she popped into Boston to visit Johnny on the Black Mass set. It made me wonder if maybe he doesn’t drink when he’s filming (I just assumed he did) and maybe that’s why they were getting along so well.
I remember reading that in her paperwork she mentioned that Johnny would hire people & ‘clean up’ during movie shoots. Then right afterward he would go back to drinking & using.
I also read that he was on the wagon when they got married. Sad.
I’ve been noticing the same. Maybe it is just the lens through which I’m viewing them, but what I saw as bored and aloof now looks trapped and miserable.
When I was in an abusive relationship it was normal for him to hold my hand in public after we had a fight. It was some sort of control strategy on his part, it forced me to keep the appearances eve when I was dying inside and doubting what I was feeling.
This is photo assumption, but I can totally see it now and I also see how it can be read as “smug” without a context.
I used to date a (minor) politician who would pick fights with me minutes before we went to his public events. His friends & family called me a b***h behind my back because they thought I was unfriendly and standoffish, when in reality I was just trying not to cry. I guess it was some weird power move on his part, but yeah, that relationship didn’t last long.
Yes! :/ It’s like a defense mechanism because we don’t feel like we can really stand up for ourselves, we are trying to process the situation and naturally come a across as someone with a “bitchy” attitude:/ I feel that it’s a way to define who is the boss in that power dynamic so it invalidates whatever you are feeling. It’s like when someone fights with you over something and then acts like it’s nothing while you are still angry about it.
I, too, am familiar with this pattern. People were saying somewhere that JD always spoke highly of AH in public so he couldn’t have dissed her to his friends or the media. Ha. The face he presents to the public means NADA. It’s not hard to make people hate your new wife while you’re simultaneously praising her. A few eye rolls, a few “I adore her but she’s upset AGAIN” and the occasional “she’s mad because I won’t put the island in her name” and boom. Everyone thinks she’s awful. Of course he never told them that she was quiet because she was frightened or hurt by him. Clearly, JD’s people helped the media to their unfortunate conclusions about Amber’s character, so I don’t think this is too much of a stretch.
I agree. It’s hard to believe that I ever saw her as cocky. Now when I see these pictures of her with JD it is so obviously the complete opposite of cocky. Makes me think my observation skills are completely off, because now looking at them together, it is almost impossible to miss. The really blood chilling (at least for me), photos are of him looking over at her. He never smiles and his eyes look completely menacing *shivers*.
Re-reading my post, it sounds a little melodramatic, but I I’ll leave it that way because I can’t think of another way to describe it.
Um, no. Amber looks like a really rich, well-taken-care-of woman who looks down at the ground and usually just looks serious in front of the paps. Many celebs don’t smile. Nothing to infer here.
Many are comparing her photos with Depp to how she looked in photos in her previous relationship – more relaxed, more smiles.
Google Image photos from prior to 2012 and compare to those 2012 & after. There is a definite rapid progression from joyful to shell.
Uh – do a little research of past pictures of her in public pre-Depp and you will see a different woman.
Yes. She just looks so miserable and resigned, and he looks like he wants to punch someone as he drags her along by the hand.
This is interesting: If you look up images of JD and Kate Moss you will see Kate looking at the ground and being dragged by the hand just like Amber is in photos with him.
Yeah, I’m feeling bad for my previous photo assumptions. There really don’t seem to be too many pictures of them looking happy together. The death grip he’s got on her hand is menacing now and what I read as diffidence in her before seems like a subdued sadness now. It’s either that or she seems to be holding him up with a long suffering look while he looks like the grumpy cat who got the cream.
My grumpy cat takes umbrage with your comparison!
Kitten, I have no doubt that your grumpy cat is beautiful (as nearly all cats are) grumpy or not. Johnny just look menacing as hell.
Haha my grumpy cat wishes she could look that menacing! Though she did manage to convince one vet’s office that she was really a man-eating tiger trapped in an angry little body.
I digress, but those pics I used to giggle at, “lol she has to hold up an intoxicated pile of scarves” are much darker now. He looks so self-satisfied and inebriated, and she looks like she’s been on edge on all day and is just trying to hold it all together.
I’m glad that amber is being so smart about this.
It IS standard operating procedure in a divorce to ask for temporary spousal support. Think about it. It’s like an agreement before the final agreement is reached – this is how much of our money you can spend every month until settlement is reached. Does either party want that to be unclear? Especially if you have joint bank accounts? I had temporary spousal support although I wasn’t seeking any type of permanent support, and my ex was only allowed to spend that much of the money for himself during that time. It guarantees that neither party starts emptying the bank accounts. It is so unfair that she has been accused of being a gold digger for this very customary move, and people are twisting everything to make her look bad. She probably has her own money, but let’s say she didn’t – why should she live in relative poverty while her abuser has access to all of their money and can spend what he wants? Just to “prove” that her motives aren’t about money. Well, guess what? When I decided to get a divorce, I also decided to protect myself and get everything that I was legally entitled to. Does that make me a bad person? Or her? Believe me, my ex was trying to prevent me from getting a dime because I had the nerve to get fed up with the cheating and abuse. I think she is being treated unfairly by the press.
Yeah, its awful that she has had to withdraw such a normal petition. Even if she has some money, lets not pretend that she is not headed into a very difficult period in her career. Plus, if this moves to court it will bleed her completely dry. Anyway, people who are determined to bash her will continue to do so, all this means is that she will be broke as they do.
^^ THIS.
This move will do nothing to sway her detractors. They’ll just start saying, but she DID ask for it at first and is only doing this to save face! And she WANTS it later so it changes nothing. She’s a gold digger!
This woman cannot win in the kangaroo court of the imbecilic commentariat, so I don’t think she should even try. Win on the merits and let Depp dig his own grave, which he undoubtedly will. It is inevitable. He is so far off the rails, Ray Charles and Helen Keller have foreseen it.
(By the way, anyone wanna bet that Depp went to his island to dry out in time for some upcoming court dates and PR pap strolls?)
–TheRealPinky
Interesting thought. Definitely could be.
He went to that island for yoga, to eat well, get lots of sleep, and lay off the booze for 10 days. He wants to hide all traces of the last 10 months from his face. He wants people to think she is out of her mind and doesn’t know what she is talking about. Nope, no drug addicted, alcoholic rage monster here, no sirreee. He’s going to appear looking like a sweet, humble, and misunderstood by the wife he adores, Johnny. I’m willing to bet money on this even though I hope I’m wrong. I guess it depends on whether he goes with his ego or his lawyer. Or maybe he’s cleaning up for Disney.
@Lady D-
10 days cannot erase what he has done to himself in recent years. And he won’t be able to maintain the behavioral facade for long. His sense of entitlement leaves him too angry about it all.
It’s worked before, the quick detox and time to get into character, so why would he think otherwise? You can’t erase the kind of damage he’s done to himself in 10 days but you can put on decent facade in that time. He’s an actor, losing himself in a role is his whole thing. Why not now? The stakes are high and he admits he fights dirty. Bitterness can motivate people to do all kinds of things. I would not be surprised if his bitterness trumps his immediate anger. That would motivate him to keep it together, at least publicly, in an attempt to get his way and further ruin Amber.
I wonder if there’s a dentist on the island…
@ AnnaKist – You must mean is there an army of dentists on the island. And plenty of back up generators for all the heavy machinery the dentist army will be using to make those meth teeth presentable.
Lady D, I’ll be you are right on the money. 10 days is just long enough to get rid of the booze bloat, get some facials and dental work. Then he’ll be all ‘What me? Hit Amber? I couldn’t hurt a fly.’
-Pinky- ” imbecilic commentariat” is my new favorite catch phrase. 😀
Exactly. I don’t get why people are (were) so focused on that.
Anybody who is in her position would be doing what she’s doing. Anybody.
Here’s one of the big issues with this divorce and her lawyers. No one should care what the public thinks, only the judge. Her lawyers should do the legal aspect of it, which includes asking for spousal support. Johnny and Amber should proceed with what is best to dissolve this toxic marriage in the most just and quick manner. Instead of worrying about public images, Amber should file a criminal complaint on Johnny for the domestic abuse. The state may not prosecute, but she can file a complaint based on the incident, and it would certainly help with obtaining a more permanent restraining order. As it is now, it can be interpreted she is doing this to get a leg up on the divorce and financial settlements, especially with the leaks from both sides. If I was the judge, not sure I would be happy with either of them for this. Honestly, she may win the gossip war on Celebitchy, but he probably won’t pay for his crime with this route, and she may not receive a better financial settlement for it either. Maybe they think they can get a good book deal if they can’t get a better financial settlement. Honestly, from a legal aspect I don’t understand their actions. It seems more like a PR strategy than legal.
She did file a complaint. She made a formal statement to the police.
Not a toxic marriage. A toxic boyfriend, fiance and husband. A relationship in which one partner is violent does not make the “relationship” itself “toxic.” Relationships aren’t given restraining orders or brought up on charges. People are.
Public opinion shouldn’t matter for court proceedings but both of their careers rely on positive public perception, so I really can’t blame Heard for trying to make a counter narrative to the Depp team’s media blitz vilifying her as the ultimate Jezebel.
She did not file a criminal complaint after the incident she refused to file one, not that this is unusual with domestic violence cases, probably the norm. The TRO and the letter from her lawyer to Johnny’s even states this. The incident report filed by LAPD states went to house, refused report, informed she can call later and report if she wants to report. The crap about police not seeing evidence of a crime came from sources from TMZ so who knows if that is true. Now Variety did have a story, supposedly from her lawyer, about her filing, but it was not filed as of yet, because that would be news. Still all this publicity isn’t really good for her legally maybe in her PR campaign, but I am not sure about that as this site seems one of the few for her. I am not blaming either Amber or Johnny for the media blitz, okay maybe him, but her people aren’t helping, you would think the lawyers would be a bit smarter. I really think the judge might not be happy with this when it finally gets to him. The judge seems to be a stickler, wouldn’t give on temporary spousal support or the dog basically because of legal technicalities, and also wouldn’t budge on time frames for depositions when Wasser missed the deadline by a few days. Just saying legally this may be challenging for both.
Yeah that’s true that she declined to file a complaint and she explained that. She made an official statement to the LAPD in the hopes that they would conduct an investigation. They have not said publicly that they are doing so, which makes me believe that they just dropped it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/amber-heard-will-give-full-statement-to-lapd-about-johnny-depps-alleged-domestic-abuse-a7057631.html
Maybe she toed the line a bit, but I’m not going to judge her for handling things the way she did, you know? She must be so damn conflicted…I can’t imagine all the sh*t that’s going through her head, the roller coaster of emotions.
Oh I so agree with every thing you say here. The leaking has reached ridiculous levels and while every one here thinks her lawyers are doing such a great job I think they are far too focused on what the general public thinks to represent her properly in the actual court room. Focus on where it counts, which is not the court of public opinion. Forget about what Celebitchy and TMZ think. Worry about real court and the judge.
The more this mess is in the public eye the more her reputation, (which was never great, let’s be honest,) is open to damage. People who believe her believed her from the get go. The others never will.
There are rules/precedent/whatever in California that say you can hold slander/badmouthing you to your community as evidence of emotional abuse (ask me how I know). HOWEVER, this is one of the hardest aspects of the DV statutes to prove/win on– and in Amber’s case she may be worried about blow back, since Johnny counter-filed on the RO– i.e. she might be concerned that he’s going to accuse her of abuse. And that making him look bad in public, which jeopardizes his livelihood, is evidence of her abuse.
It SUCKS to be a woman, and it sucks to be a victim of DV. To be both, in the U.S.(can’t speak for other countries), is an extremely difficult situation– the deck is stacked against you, to a Kafka-esque degree. #TeamAmberAllTheWay.
I already wrote this in another comment, but this kind of spousal support, even though contested in California, is normal when one of the partners is much wealthier than the other. The one with less money can keep the same lifestyle until the divorce is finalized. Standard procedure that was vilified to keep the gold digger narrative.
Exactly.
I think the real reason it’s been withdrawn is that they’re negotiating the divorce settlement behind the scenes, and a judge ordering a certain amount of support would scuttle any deal.
I think you might be right, and that would make sound legal sense.
Looking at what came out from the court last Friday, she dismissed the spousal support because Depp would only give it to her if he also got a restraining other against her and she didn’t agree with that because she would be admitting to be violent towards him.
As soon as I read the headline I thought “way to re-victimize the victim public”. It makes me so mad & sad that she is relinquishing one of her rights & a smart move just to take that smear campaign off the table. Ugh! GNAT- thanks for explaining why this is typical.
Most dv victims wouldn’t be able to not ask for support and I’m glad Amber has the means to do so and keep the focus on this dbs abuse.
For me, it was about the amount of money. I understand that Hollywood lives by different standards, but asking in 1 month what some make in 1 year or 2 seems just flabbergasting to me, especially considering that she should have been well off on her own before she got married, considering she was also asking to stay in their apartment (free rent means pretty much all the money she was asking was disposable income – bills are usually a small fraction of rent, her car is paid off, etc.), and considering they were only married a few months (i.e. hard to claim that she got too used to a new standard of living – whatever that means).
None of these considerations would apply to 90% of divorces in real life, so I must admit I was a bit prejudiced against her, so I think that the move to drop money talk is brilliant, it sure wins me over, for what it’s worth.
Yes that’s a smart move. I’m glad she has good advisors and a good head on her shoulders.
It’s kind of gross to imagine Johnny on his island right now: unwashed, inebriated and probably a rage-monster. I do continue to hope he gets help and doesn’t end up dead with his addiction soon. Sad all around.
I wonder if the private island thing is to try to dry him out before he returns?
Or perhaps he’s been such a raging drunk that they are containing it to a place with no paps to document his behaviour?
@Snazzy He didn’t seem like “such a raging drunk” during the European tour.
I had the very same thought.
Or, there he can do drugs/booze
Unprohibited, since he is not
bothering to show up in court on
Friday?
My first thought too…
That People article says he is expected to go back to LA by Wednesday.
I thought the same. He was in bad shape last time we saw pics- so he better cleans up for his moments in court. But somehow I’m not convinced yet he will appear…
Ba! Yup! I agree! Cue some very flattering, caught-off-guard pap pics in 3…2…1…
–TheRealPinky
Oh yeah you know they’re privately trying to get him sober so he doesn’t need to go to a public rehab.
He’s probably doing a Goop fast complete with colonics and $1000 dollar shakes of pixie dust and kale. Oh, and body wraps to get rid of the bloat and maybe a sheep dip or two for the vermin.
@Crumpet: Don’t forget the “steaming” 😉
@siri: Oh my yes. The steaming. I would prefer scalding, but…. well, I am not an abuser. 😉
It really is kind of a gross picture. Swinging in a drunken stupor by scarves from palm trees. God, how did it come to this for JD?
Addiction……I think of Depp & I think of that ‘faces of meth’ campaign.
It seems Amber’s people are focusing too much on TMZ and DM comments re their strategy.
+1
I agree. And it isn’t helping. Readers on those sites in particular are among the least knowledgable and most unawares in the country. They stay on those sites all day and those are the only places from which they get their “news.” The ignorati make it a point of never learning or comprehending, so basing your moves on changing their minds is a fool’s errand. I don’t think it’s a smart strategy at all.
–TheRealPinky
Commenters on DM are the worse. There is NO control over them and I can barely read any of them. TMZ isn’t much better.
While everyone on Celebitchy is knowledgable and aware.
@Zwella Feel free to count yourself out of that subsection.
–TheRealPinky
@TheRealPinky – kind of a rotten answer don’t you think?
This celebrity divorce must be the most discussed and argued public divorce this century. People are just losing their minds whether they are Pro-Amber or Pro-Depp, calling people with differing opinions uneducated, stupid, blind, or worse. People are so sure that they KNOW what went on and they KNOW what Amber’s or Depp’s intentions are etc. Amber is a victim. Amber is a gold digger. Depp is a nice guy. Depp is a demon. Just the vitriol on both sides is pretty nauseating in pretty much every site I’ve visited lately. Can’t wait for this divorce to be over and everyone can put back their claws.
@Carol-People here aren’t as interested in the Depp/Amber angle as you think they are.
People are way more invested in the bigger story–the story of another woman not being believed by the majority of the public. People are angry and disgusted and just TIRED of seeing that once again, the public simply refuses to believe a woman who claims she was abused.
They ask for proof, she provides it, and STILL people don’t believe.
It’s infuriating and frustrating and I’m sorry if it hurts your feelings but we’re all just sick and tired of it.
Most of us here are women and most of us are just kind of…DONE playing nice or trying to be polite about this issue. I’m personally glad to see my fellow commenters getting angry about it. I only wish society at large would have the same kind of reaction.
@Carol:
for me this isn’t particularly “fun” gossip. It is a Human Rights issue– one that damages and costs the lies of millions of American women– and by extension, their children, every year. We all just watched the OJ miniseries on FX, but we forgot Darden’s summation: those were real people who died, and the real fall out of domestic violence.
It is real, not gossip, not entertainment. I’ve actually been quite impressed with the considerateness of the posters here– but perhaps it’s not shallow enough for some tastes?
The fact that a woman with compelling evidence of repeated,serious crimes committed against her can be excoriated and vilified to the degree that eh is… well, it’s a sad day for America. She may be a shitty person, and I may love his acting: has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a psychopath (partner abusers are by default considered to be part of the Cluster B spectrum of personality disorders, which is what psychopaths are… and are frequently addicts, and often narcissists/actors), and statistically speaking is not going to stop until he kills someone. But, hey, she’s a bad actress so that’s okay.
@Carol
I think you are trolling. You are purposely pretending to be obtuse with the “we just can’t ever know” argument. I think you realize that the photos, texts and eye witnesses are enough, but something else is motivating you to troll…..secret rabid fan? Thats my guess. I’m not biting Carol………you say you dislike all the vitriol and wish things could go back to normal, yet you keep coming back……
I don’t know about TMZ, but the DM is officially the most visited news (and gossip) website in the world. Amber’s reputation is being trashed world wide.
I’ve seen entertainment news in my google news feed in my language that are taken oractically verbatim from shady sites such as TMZ. The news are many time silly or a lie, but since many people just read the headlines and do not check veracity, or do not know the language to read more truthful sites, they believe those lies.
I just said this above: I think this is about their negotiations behind the scenes. If the judge orders a certain amount of support, it will interfere with their negotiations.
Yes, I think she’s upset that people are using the money against her, so there’s truth to her statement, but I think there’s more to it.
I don’t think is a wise move for her legal team to oblige to the media or motivate their moves because of the media, since it is a standard procedure. So now if the media says jump! Amber’s team is going to jump. The problem was the excess of the amount she requested, the legal fees, etc and how that was taken by Depp’s team to show her first goal is money. I don’t think it is a good sign that her team is crumbling due to media pressure. If they had a strategy should stick with it. The domestic violence seems bullet proof so why give them ammunition. And also let him take everything and take pictures you dumb Amber’s people! It will be more humiliating that he has to returned them. Really what are they thinking!
First let me say Team Amber all the way.
OK so do you really think $50k per month is excessive after doing the math, though? Depp is reportedly worth $400 million. She’s asking for $600k per year… seems reasonable to me.
Also, I’m not sure yet whether it’s a good strategy by her team or not to drop the support request. Guess we shall see what the next issue the media uses to attack and discredit Amber will be soon now that this is off the table.
But why should she get any? That’s my question.
Johnny Depp is clearly an abuser and should most definitely be punished by the justice system; Amber should press criminal charges. I would also see the point of financial settlement for inflicted physical and emotional damage but that’s it.
I don’t care if you’re a man or a woman: being married to someone for a few years does not entitle you to someone else’s money independently of their wealth (child support and spousal support after decades is something else). So what if he’s rich and could afford it? What kind of argument is that? How was Heard’s carrier put on hold/damaged by the marriage? Is there any reason she can’t work anymore as an adult person?
Again, Depp is scum for abusing his wife (or anyone else for that matter) but that’s not really the argument for spousal support…
Under the California law is it standard procedure for a person, man or woman to get spousal support that will allow the person to keep the same lifestyle until the divorce is out if the other one is much more wealthier. It is something contested, but it’s the law and unless the law changes, why shouldn’t a person ask for it? This is only valid until the divorce is out, it’s not for life like I read in some comments.
They got married in California and that state has well known community property laws. As the much more wealthy person he should have gotten a prenuptial agreement. On top of being an abusive jerk he’s also a dunce for failing to get a prenup. She’s legally entitled to a settlement because of CA law end of story.
I am not saying per se it is excessive, that is where Depp’s team is aiming to put Amber as a gold digger. They should had stick with their strategy to do so many shifts at this point are making them look weak. I will never support a man that hits a woman. In this particular case my worries are that the move, based on media pressure, makes them look weak or they have a week case.
Well, like you mentioned, the length of the marriage is one consideration by the courts in cases where spousal support is an issue.
Others include the ages of the parties, their own assets and income separately, physical or other impairments of either party, division of labor in the home (incl. who provided primary care for any minor children), monetary contributions from one party to the other in terms of career or educational opportunities, as well as considering if either party is financially equipped to pay support. You may not like the last consideration, but it is one made by the courts.
Also, keep in mind spousal support isn’t necessarily indefinite. There are guidelines establishing the length of these things, as well as formulas for calculating equitable sums to be doled out and at what intervals. Whether spousal support rulings themselves are fair is another question entirely, and often influenced by the judge him or herself, unfortunately.
Amber can ONLY get what it is allowable by law under CA divorce laws. CA is a no fault State..so without a prenup is 50/50 for the length of the marriage from BOTH PARTIES, but they were only married for 15 months, hence the 8 months that Johnny agreed on. Per Amber she stated that he made $30mil. divide that by half then minus taxes and expenses..She will probably get about $450,000.00 maybe. The Domestic Violence does not come into play for the divorce settlement. IT IS NO FAULT. The Domestic Violence is a civil matter.
Amber really shouldn’t be tailoring her legal strategy to appease the media. She shouldn’t have to kowtow and live without financial support just because she’s being dragged the mud. I’m sure it’s not easy to stand by and watch people tear you apart, but at the end of the day the public won’t decide the outcome of this divorce – a judge will. Amber should forge ahead with the course she originally set out for, the pictures and the witnesses speak volumes for her case. Even if JD refuses to give her dime out of his out free will, it looks like he will be forced to do so.
Her career depends on the media, though. So it’s not just her legal strategy, I assume; it’s also a PR strategy, which clearly does matter to both of them.
I agree, but don’t you think the cat is out of the bag. It seems like from reading this site and others it is going to take a lot to convince people differently. Short of a video of him beating her or conversely a video of her confessing a “gone girl” ploy not sure people are going to change their minds. Even then I think people would find ways to turn it around. Seems like the best course is to make sound legal decisions and hope for short attention spans from the public.
Amber not tailoring her legal strategy to appease the media. She still asking for temporary spousal supportt she just not dealing with it on Fridays court hearing , she going to deal with that at another time.
Thanks for the clarification. So if this is correct, they’re just separating out the issues to let the domestic violence charges stand more clearly on their own? Not to “muddy the waters,” so to speak — so everyone from “friends” like Doug Stanhope to Depp’s legal team find harder to conflate the charge of abuse with the standard request for temporary support and insinuate that she’s only making that claim for the money.
Yes it does seem that way which is smart.
We are talking about people who work for an audience, it’s part of what they do, so clearly, what goes on in the media matters. And both know it.
She did it because she thought it was “standard operating procedure”? Does she not have lawyers?
She does, and they were right. It is standard operating procedure.
And it is. When the other partner is wealthier, until the divorce is out you can ask for spousal support to keep the same lifestyle. Just until the divorce is out. It is a contested law in California, but it’s the law.
I think she’ll get her restraining order and then he will settle with her. No way he wants to see this dragged out any further.
You’d think he would want to end this ASAP… True or not, it’s not good for his career. But then again, he let it get THIS far, so, maybe he’s not being smart about any of this. Seems to me he’s emotionally driven more than anything, and it’s going to hurt him in the end. He’s surrounded by Yes Men, after all, AND he’s an alcoholic.
Yes, even allowing it to get this far was a HUGE mistake on the part of him and his team, but I don’t think they realized all the evidence she had.
My opinion the cats out of the bag so to speak. And Johnny is at war. If he were checking himself into rehab and making public apologies I’d say he’s planning on settling. Heck if he had wanted to settle he would have given Amber whatever magic number she wanted and none of us would be the wiser. My opinion is he’s doing whatever he can to make sure she gets as little money as possible and he’s taking her down with him. Honestly when all is said and done I think Johnny’s career will be hurt more (especially internationally) by the string of awful movies than by the Heard allegations. When you have people like Tim Burton rallying around him you can be sure he will work again. Sadly Amber isn’t so lucky.
Luca76: My opinion, which i give now for a first time won’t be a popular one.
I agree that Johnny is at war even if it seems that he’s chilling on his Island.
And I think that Amber has already lost, even if it doesn’t look this way so far.
The one that got and presented the most hard evidence was Oksana Grigorieva with her 15 recorded rants. You can’t argue with it. And Gibson disappered for a couple of years. Now he’s back, however tentatively. And where is Oksana?
I bet that one way or another Amber will be taken to the cleaners because she has tweets (her own to a 3rd person) and photos and is in he said-she said teritory. No medical evidence, not once! for the years! of abuse she’s suffered.
@ Micki if there is a skepticism directed at Amber all I have to say is I want no part of that. I completely believe her.
Luca76:I’ve no skepticism for Amber. I do believe she is a victum of abuse. Even if Johnnie “has never abused anyone” I believe he made exception in her case.
What make me angry is that women are thought predominantly how to avoid abuse but seldom if ever how to nail a perpetrator down when they become victums.
I’ve read contless times about the “psyhology of the victum”, about the hows and whys and so on and I must admit it has always boiled down to the same for me:
You’ll have a lifetime to cry bitter tears, but you have only a couple of hours to get a rape kit, medical examination and so on. DO IT! You can decide later what to do with it, but DO IT while you can.
@Luca76- you’re misreading what Micki wrote and I happen to agree with her. Johnny Depp is at war and by his own admission, he fights dirty. His career will survive these abuse allegations. Regardless of his flops, he can act and my opinion is going to be unpopular but the flops were due to poor writing. I saw Mordecai and while it was a terrible movie, he did a pretty good job. I actually liked Dark Shadows.
I saw Amber in Pineapple Express and while I love that movie, her role was forgettable. I just don’t think her career is going to survive Johnny Depp. I could be wrong but this PR strategy is terrible.
Noname, you might want to watch some of her other movies before you write her off completely. She is no Meryl Streep, but as I have said before, she does a decent job, and has evolved as an actress as time has done on.
@Talie
Nothing about his behaviour so far says he isn’t going to drag this out. Looks to me like he can’t see himself in the wrong – it’s always her – so he can’t see that as hurting him or his case at all. Certainly no one on his team is putting him right.
He’s also coming off as pretty petty rn. Some people might think that’s justified but if you’re taking the tack that someone in your life is hurting you (if you believe his side) you don’t try to hold on to that person or prolong a process that gets them put of your life swiftly and quietly.
He looks like someone still trying to control (and intimidate) the other because this could have been over before it started and he chose this direction, while keeping it going with a never-ending smear campaign that keeps it in the public eye.
I thought of this when she filed so abruptly (but didn’t want to be incendiary), then realized it was true (after years of denial) when everything came out, and now this People story has reminded me again:
before he bought that private island, he was violent with Vanessa during at least one trip to the Caribbean. EDIT: just confirmed with my mom, who was there too. We were in Tortola, and everyone (including our catamaran captain) was still talking about how disappointed/angry they were that he was a bad guy. You guys, he was KICKED OUT OF THE COUNTRY for domestic violence. My mom remembers learning about their zero tolerance policy that day.
This was the early 2000s. And more than a decade later, Amber mentioned the island in her text. Now he’s there “recuperating” and I’m remembering it again: he loves that part of the world, loves isolating himself and his loved ones and having all the power. Like many famous abusive men, he prefers to be in other countries… at least the ones that don’t kick him out for being violent.
Interesting.
I thought the Caribbean was lax on that kind of thing?
From what I heard they make the victim get an exam and a certificate before they are allowed to file charges and often less severe injuries are considered a misdemeanor (versus felony) which is punishable only with community service.
Probably different countries within the Caribbean have different laws… I do know DV is an issue out there though.
Any Caribbean commenters who can clarify?
Anyway, if that’s true, that’s terrible. I cannot believe I used to defend this guy….
Kitten, I thought they were lax too — hence the buying an island there, among many other reasons — but I’m not sure exactly what happened. He may not have been formally charged, or only charged with something like disorderly conduct. He couldn’t get away with it because of all the local witnesses; I remember one catamaran crew member telling me that he seemed surprised that there were consequences.
Ugh. Man….this guy is such a disaster. SMDH.
DV is an issue everywhere. Everywhere. If it weren’t, there wouldn’t be this continuing disbelief and undermining of Amber Heard’s claims and there wouldn’t be proliferate news reports on a weekly basis from the United States about men killing their domestic (usually female) partners and their shared offspring. Last week Jezebel did a tally of news reports of murders that were the result of dv and all of the reports, save the one from Italy in which a “disgruntled” man ran his ex-girlfriend’s car off of the road and set her on fire, burning her to death, they were all from the United States. And yes, different Caribbean countries have different laws regarding domestic violence. They would have to, considering that there are at least 4 different official languages spoken in the region (Dutch, Spanish, English and French) and the countries individual laws have been shaped in regard to their relationships to the countries that have colonized them. Even within the different linguistic categories there would be room for difference. Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic likely have different laws despite their shared languages. Colombia, Venezuela, and Guyana are considered to be part of the Caribbean although they are located within South America, and Guyana has ties to the English speaking countries within the Caribbean. The region is not a monolith.
I live part time in the Bahamas. In the early 2000’s, they ratified several of their laws regarding domestic violence, sexual violence, and sexual harassment. You can now get orders of protection and the like and all are criminal actions.
Thanks, paranormalgirl.
Also, I’m jealous that you live part-time in the Bahamas 😉
Which island was he kicked out of? It’d be easier to search the Web for hints of this if we knew that tidbit.
–TheRealPinky
Yeah that’s a good place to start.
Tortola.
Every time I look for info, all I get are references to his private island. I remember hearing later that he bought in the Bahamas because of this, but I don’t know if that’s true.
the BVI does have a zero tolerance policy for domestic violence.
If someone has access to LexisNexis, you could search old newspaper/TV reports.
I hope an investigator heads down to Tortola today – hopefully someone from Amber’s team. Some investigation is required here – in addition to searching the net. Sounds like quite a few locals down there had some knowledge of this. Must have been major for so many everyday people to know about it, and for him to have been kicked out of the country.
You’re awesome for mentioning this! That’s really important, why don’t you send a tip to Gawker or Jezebel? They usually have someone who can dig it up, not sure how. But seriously, if he was kicked out and there’s some trail or witnesses, that would be massive. DO IT!
I actually emailed her legal team once I realized it was completely swept under the rug… but maybe Gawker could dig something up, you’re right! Thanks for the insights about the BVI, and apologies for any unintentional generalizations (I’m aware each country has its own laws, just not familiar with what they are).
If they kept records, this would definitely be relevant. In court and in the court of public opinion. I’m sure there are many, many other incidents throughout the world that were successfully covered up; it really shows how untouchable he thinks he is, to keep smearing her as a liar.
Sending emails to her legal team costs her money! They will find and document what they need through the proper legal discovery process, for which they can ask the court to order him to pay costs. The court won’t order him to pay her lawyers for reading your emails. If you actually saw him hit, kick, bite or throw something at Amber, then by all means, identify yourself to them as a witness, but otherwise, you aren’t helping.
And I am not aiming this at any particular individual because this is at least the third time that I have pointed this out.
I’m sure her lawyers have enough discretion to ignore information that isn’t helpful; they might never even SEE the email, which was literally two sentences.
Thank you for your insights, but they came many hours after the fact, so now I’m just left to feel guilty — like I’ve hurt the victim of abuse with my stupidity, when I was trying not to hurt her with my silence — for entrusting the info to someone with more legal expertise than myself.
Her lawyers won’t see it but someone on their staff will have to read it and log it in and they will bill her for it. I realize you didn’t mean harm and thought you were being helpful. You aren’t the first person here who has done something similar; as I said, this is the third or fourth time that I have posted this.
@ Brittney B – You did the right thing to e-mail Amber’s attorneys. You have nothing to feel guilty about. It’s not like you are sitting at your computer peppering them with e-mails all day.
Sending one e-mail regarding a potentially crucial piece of information in this case is hardly being irresponsible, nor is that one e-mail costing Amber a ton of money. I am sure Amber will be happy to be billed for a tip on information that could, and I think will, be helpful to her case.
If nothing else, there is the potential for Johnny to finally be exposed for the abuser that he is, and to call into serious question the veracity of Vanessa’s statement that he never abused her. If so many locals knew about it, and probably other tourists know about it, and if it was big enough to get him thrown off the island, then something major happened, and it needs to see the light of day.
You did the right thing. If I were Amber, I would be grateful to you!
yeah, what do I know, I’m just a lawyer. Sure, everyone just bombard her legal team with emails. We lawyers love that.
I’m not talking about everyone bombarding Amber’s attorneys with e-mails. I am simply talking about one person, Brittney B., reporting what she knows about Johnny abusing Vanessa to the point where many people knew about it and he was thrown out of the country. This is very important information that should be investigated, and would be very helpful to Amber. Brittney B. did the right thing to send one e-mail regarding this.
This is not the kind of information that someone should sit on, because she doesn’t want to be a nuisance, or because attorneys resent reading thru e-mails, or because it might cost Amber $100 to have it read, or it might end up buried in a log somewhere.
I wonder how many solid leads in any cases have been lost or buried for the above reasons. Slogging thru the heap is part of investigation. You can’t avoid it. I find Brittney B.’s story to be credible and worth investigation. I would hope anyone in an attorney’s office would be bright enough pay attention and to follow up on it.
Would there be any records at this point?
@Kitten: MOST Caribbean countries have very comprehensive domestic violence laws which take a zero tolerance approach to abuse (against any sex) and they are enforced by the courts to the fullest extent. The same issues of course will pop -up such as public opinion against the victim, vctim’s fear of reporting etc.
@who are these people?: Once reports were made/complaints filed, those records should still be available irrespective of the time that has passed. Lets hope that their is some public record with the information.
I really feel for Amber and hope she comes out of this OK. Nobody deserves to be treated like that and then to have Johnny’s friends and supporters drag her through the mud. I hope she has a strong support base and wish her all the best.
Wow Brittney B. that is interesting. Actually, I think it’s huge. I hope Amber’s team learns of this. Did that story ever make it in to the press? So Johnny did abuse Vanessa. I’ve felt that from the beginning. She’s not exactly out there strongly defending Johnny’s character. She wrote her carefully worded required note and disappeared. I wonder if she wrote that note for her children’s sake, or to avoid the consequences from a drunken Johnny demanding she support him in the press, or else? Vanessa would make an interesting witness. I don’t think she would go so far as to lie under oath for Johnny.
It never made it into the media; it was just a story my family remembered for years, until all of this sharpened our perspective. But I’m sure we’re not the only tourists who were told, and I’m sure there are many locals who still remember.
And it’s not like I had any concrete information or power to share the info as a 12-year-old on vacation before social media… but still, my silence feels complicit and I feel weirdly obligated to get the info out there now. I’ve associated JD with domestic violence for a decade, and there wasn’t a peep in the media… which made it so much easier to trash the victim who finally came forward. Feeling a lot of shame about that.
That’s interesting, I was wondering if he had previous. So when you say we weren’t the only locals told, this was just a story you heard? I mean did you or your Mom see it?
Neither of us actually saw it, but the people on our boat did, and it was fresh in their minds because it happened a week or two before we came.
I’m not sure if Johnny hired them or they were simply in the same area; I was young, and the biggest takeaway was “I hope that’s not true”. But these staff members saw him get violent with his wife on the water, and he was asked to leave and not return to the island of Tortola. Really I have no idea how anyone would even begin to investigate something like this… I doubt there was an arrest. But maybe.
@Brittney B
You could also send the info to Amber’s friend Amanda De Cadenet via twitter.
Thanks for the advice! I can’t DM anyone who doesn’t follow me, and I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to tweet Amanda or iO publicly…
Oh gee, so Vanessa LIED for him? If she thinks she is doing her children any favors by covering up their father’s behavior, she is mistaken. They both need to be educated on DV or they are walking victims still. Arg.
Um…. I don’t get why folks are being all “Amber’s team is listening to TMZ regarding their strategy”. It sounds like spousal support will dealt with later, so what’s the big deal?
I don’t get that either. It’s not like she gave up on it–she’s just shifting things around.
When this first happened someone on here said you can only file for spousal support at the beginning not in the middle.That’s why it’s standard operating procedure that people file for spousal support when they file for divorce because they can’t file later in the process.I don’t know if that is true but if it is it can’t be dealt with later after you have withdrawn the application.
Don’t know how true that is. When I filed for divorce there was no temporary spousal support filed for and I still could have gotten it when the divorce was finally settled.
If she is aware of all the nastiness out there boy do I feel sorry for her. I get the feeling her career is over. She’s not a good actress. This isn’t a Nicole Kidman situation, heck she doesn’t even have the type of brand name that Katie Holmes did prior to marrying Tom Cruise . I don’t think she’ll be fired from the films she’s currently in but I don’t think the industry is going to go out of their way to give her work.
I secretely hope that Johnny Depp will escape his handlers at some point and cause a terrible, violent scene somewhere in public, showing his true, horrible colours to all the doubters and defenders, in a way that leaves no room for arguing a “misunderstanding” or “exaggeration”. Oh, and video, please.
Does that make me a bad person?
I know and I’ve had this thought as well. I’m actually kind of surprised that such a video hasn’t surfaced yet. He must be very smart about timing his violent episodes, definitely makes sure that it’s always behind closed doors.
Abusive people often are cunning that way, for example punching women where the bruises won’t show under clothes.
When sociopaths are violent, their heart rates actually go down, as if violence is a soothing activity. They may seem enraged but they’re actually very much in control and manage their attacks strategically.
Of course whether Depp is sociopathic is a separate question for another day.
This is the collage with Amber’s bruises through the past two years, that was at National Enquirer
http://i.imgur.com/1ZiJ71t.jpg
It’s really shocking, but i do remember people at time asking why she always seemed to have bruises on her arms despite the makeup
Wow that collage……scary.
Thank you mmm. That collage drives the point home, and it doesn’t even reveal the bruises hidden by clothing. I’ll bet there are more bruise pics out there to be found. Props to the Enquirer on this one.
I think most of that has already
happened, but people just wont
believe it!! Should it happen again,
I’m sure there will be SO many
Explanations so it wouldn’t make
much of a difference. Sadly.
Agree.
@Sauvage – For that to happen, his diehard supporters would have to be interested in the truth. They’re not. At this stage, I don’t think even Depp himself saying he physically abused Heard would change their minds because that’s just not the ‘truth’ they want to hear. And in any case, even if he did, it would just be twisted into another round of ‘well she must have made him do it’.
At this stage, I think he could bite the head off a kitten on international tv and the diehards would still figure out a way to make it the kitten’s fault.
I get you. It really (almost?) does make right words/right thoughts/ right actions fly out the window.
I want to see him slip and reveal his true violent nature in public, too. Except I think he likes to do his dirty work behind closed doors, with a single female victim. I’ll bet he’s never gone fist to cuffs with another man.
Interesting step by Amber, there is probably more to it than trying to water down the TMZ/public backlash? I wonder if it’s more of a strategic legal move and her legal team think it may help in the proceedings on Friday. Her team must know it will have little to no impact on the vitriol coming from Depp/pro Depp media and supporters (and will indeed be seen as backtracking anyway) – so I think it may be more of a legal move (I hope so anyway!). Also his removing his stuff this week is a total bitch move. Trying to throw Amber/team Amber before court on Friday. His team fight dirty – Team Amber all the way!
Johnny Depp sends his goon squad to defy the court order of only removing personal belongings from their apartment whil Amber is out of town. Nice. Way to go Johnny. Showing your true colors. Arrogant and defiant of court orders as if court orders do not apply to him (screams narcissistic personality disorder). Vengeful and petty to try to take furniture out as well. Looks like Johnny is pursuing a scorched earth policy of looting and pillaging to show Amber he is still in charge. These actions are exposing who the “real” Johnny is.
I’m starting to doubt that the *real* Johnny even exists anymore.
Or ever did.
THIS EXACTLY!
I just wanted to also point out that when TMZ covered the story yesterday, they posted a photo of the moving truck when it was nearly empty, holding only a rack or two of clothes, and that’s it.
On other sites, the photos revealed quite a different story. A couch, paintings, chairs, racks and racks of clothes, several boxes, etc. The desk was on the sidewalk, being moved by a couple of movers.
If one didn’t know better, based on the TMZ pic, Johnny was very, very minimal in what he sent his goons to pilfer for him while Amber was out of town, when in reality they had nearly filled the truck to capacity before, presumably, being forced by the police to unload and return everything to the apartment.
TMZ and their coverage of this mess has been utterly shameful. Their pro-Depp dude-bro “reporting” makes me feel kinda stabby… and in despair over our very ugly patriarchal society.
It just gets scarier and scarier doesn’t it? Its like he is some hollywood mafia boss. @ Who ARE these people- yeah, I don’t know if a real Johnny was ever in there either. I am really starting to wonder. He is one dark creepy mother f*er.
I saw the pics at Daily Mail and they were removing seats, couches, etc. That’s way beyond the “personal belongings”
Also Amber isn’t in the country, that’s trespassing
This is exactly why I believe the dog incident in Australia was plotted by him and not Amber. He has the attitude that he should be above the law and the whole event just had his psych profile all over it.
I think she took the fall for both of their actions. Johnny had a bad reputation with the crew and people of Australia and he was trying to make amends with them. Australia is a big hitter in box office numbers so he couldn’t have that go on his record, so Amber took the blame while he look like a innocent bystander.
My only question is who ask her to take the fall Johnny or Disney?
Actually no anything in that home could be considered community property. He’s entitled to personal items but not taking furniture or anything huge until a settlement is reached.
Have you seen the photos on daily mail? How does he “need” a sofa and a desk? Or paintings? Isn’t that agains’t “take what you need until the next court hearing?”. It’s not like he needs anything, he is is the Bahamas and he is rich! I don’t see how the court can turn a blind eye on this and not see it as a pressure tactic on his side.
And also, in these cases, shouldn’t the person at least ask the other side when to go and expect someone representing the other side to be there to make sure they don’t take stuff from the alleged victim? I would be terrified just to imagine it could happen if it was me!
I try to avoid the DM as much as possible but I completely agree he’s such a creep.
Miss S – I am wondering the same thing. Shouldn’t there be an appointment made with Amber and a police officer present? Depp’s team waited until she was away and went in unannounced? What kind of protection is that?
Yep. It seems Depp was trying to push some buttons and it worked, because now a lot of people are saying he’s just taking his stuff and she’s a famewhore that called the police to get attention. Seriously? If there’s a restraining order, things should be done in a certain way, always protecting the victim here. Why take the furniture when he’s in his private island? I have to say, Johnny is clever, he hasn’t said a thing so far, but he has his team and his friends doing the dirty work for him. So disappointing…
@Luca76, I never read the DM, but I saw a link with the photos of his stuff in a truck. But be warned, if you go there, don’t read the comments:/
@mary simon, Considering Depp has “people” like bodyguards and money to hire more people if he needs/wants to, I wonder the restraining order doesn’t fall short by not mentioning them because they could pressure her and terrify her with Depp being in another country and it’s still “him” doing it and calling the shots. I find this really malicious on his part, doing it like this was totally in bad faith.
@ Miss s
( in these cases, shouldn’t the person at least ask the other side when to go and expect someone representing the other side to be there to make sure they don’t take stuff from the alleged victim? )
Proper procedures would have been for Johnny to make an arrangement with Amber and her lawyer and a time for him to pick up his belongings and to have police escort. The police escort is there to protect both parties and is there to keep an eye on things.
Now Johnny did it the shady way by waiting until she was out of town and with out permission, not to mention no police escort. It make me wonder if he had is people look for stuff that Amber may have left behind and maybe use against him in court. I also wonder if he had people watching the place to know when she would be out of town.
Hopefully her lawyer is on it make sure the restraining order including his staff as well on Friday.
Don’t know for sure what happened, but my guess is that his team probably did make an appointment with her team to pick up his belongings. Amber’s team was probably fine with them taking his clothes, but once his team started removing furniture, they rightfully called the police.
@Goldie, the wording from Amber’s side doesn’t suggest they knew about it, they were just warned by someone else.
@Miss S Oh, ok. That is pretty creepy if his team can just show up unannounced.
Did Depp’s thugs search the apartment for anything to use against Amber? Were they looking for the video? Did they steal anything belonging to her? How would anyone know? There was no controlling authority there! They violated her privacy and her security! This is breaking and entering!
I can’t see how this is not a crime and a violation of the restraining order! There should be a protocol for removing items from the home, and some sort of authority present, and an arrangement made with the victim prior to the move out. I feel violated for Amber.
Johnny is vicious and vengeful and criminal. He is willing to hurt his own image and career and family just to tuck it to Amber. What a psycho!
In my experience, I had to coordinate through the DCFS emergency worker on our case to make a time when my abuser wasn’t in the home so I could get our things. He was advised to go through the items prior to that time and denote what was okay for us to take. That being said, I still am missing some items that I will probably never get back, but I got the most important ‘keepsakes’ I needed so I have just written the other items off at this point.
I did call the police for an escort to the property to make sure he was out BUT was informed that because of the restraining order, if he was there, I would be in violation of the order. So, I had to go on faith, and big burly movers, that he wouldn’t be there. Luckily he was not.
So no, a police escort wouldn’t automatically happen. Yes, a mutually agreed upon time would have to be so violation of the restraining order would not happen.
I live in LA
There are two types of spousal support. Temporary spousal support (I.e., during the pendency of the divorce proceedings) and final spousal support (basically alimony – after the divorce, one party pays the other spousal support in perpetuity – usually until the other party remarries). In Louisiana, you are automatically entitled to temporary support because under La law, you owe a duty of “support” to your spouse. Each state is different regarding the award of final spousal support. Some states require that the other party be “at-fault” (cheating, etc). Others don’t have that requirement. Of course, in your divorce proceedings, one party could just volunteer to pay final support. Most people wouldn’t do that on their own, but I can see how that would happen in Hollywood. “I’ll pay X Amt, as long as you don’t breathe a word to the public about all the shitty things I’ve done.”
You go girl! You don’t need anything from him to live your life. You’ll do just fine all by yourself.
I hope she doesn’t change her mind later on. I want her to prove to the naysayers that claim she’s just in this for the money, that that isn’t the case.
Hang in there Amber! You were seriously abused and you have every right to fight for yourself. Sending support and best wishes for everything to work out in your favor. Now, get on the phone and have your attorney send an investigator to Tortola, stat!
Her request for spousal support is reasonable. She’s self employed, has to self-main, pay an agent, and now legal counsel plus the usual expenses, and probably an accountant for tax reasons. She will only get that for 7-9 months from him max anyway so any claims that she is gold-digging seem ridiculous . How much future work she gets could be at the whim of her currently vengeful (soon-to-be-ex-)husband. Of course she’d need it but she’s only postponing the issue for a later date (not refusing to claim) to focus on the restraining order which is much more important, atm.
The last thing she needs is the threat of him being able to appear in her life at will and random. He clearly repeatedly went out of his way intimidate her before she filed. Who knows what he’d be like after.
I hope they extend it. Nothing necessitates him being anywhere near her, especially after he’s sent his people for his stuff (him having them attempt to take furniture was a pretty petty move on his part).
First time commenter here. I just want to tell you guys how much I appreciate that a lot of people here seem to be at least willing to give Amber the benefit of the doubt. There have been a few gossip sites I have been visiting for a few years and I can’t tell you how dissapointed I am reading most of the comments, sometimes from commenters that I used to think were decent people, being completely on Team Depp and saying horrible things about Amber. I only hope that, if she has been abused (as I strongly suspect she has), she has the evidence to prove it so that she can clean her public image.
Welcome sarahw! 🙂
Awww… Thanks! It’s nice to read some people with common sense here… I’m telling you, it makes me sick to read some comments on other blogs. I actually read someone saying “Yeah, I believe he abused her, but she’s a gold digger!!!!”. Seriously, some people put more value on money than on women…
I guess it’s my problem isn’t that some people think she is a gold digger (it doesn’t make sense when you use logic, but anyway..) but how that is used to diminish her allegations, how the mob mentality jumps at her refusing to see her as a person, refusing to recognize the nuances present in DV dynamics. And reasonable people also say Depp needs help, it’s not like he is this huge monster, I seems to me that most of us agree that one of his problems is that fame and people around him are enablers of this kind of behaviour and if you are not accountable for anything for a long time it changes you in ways far from positive.
Also, it is possible to not believe in everything at face value while still giving her the benefit of the benefit of the doubt. That’s what all alleged victims should have.
Hi Sarah! I’m with you on that; I’ve stopped reading other sites entirely due to their coverage of this story. TMZ in particular is one of the worst offenders out there.
Celebitchy is the only place I feel like a reasonable and well meaning group of people come to discuss their gossip, rather than a cesspit where spewing out ignorant, vile hatred is encouraged.
I never commented on this site before this story broke, but given it’s exceptional well-rounded and humane coverage, and the gravity of the situation, I feel I have to speak up and this is the BEST place to do it 🙂
Welcome to you to Sylvia!:D
Thanks, Miss S, for confirming my high opinion of the commenters here… stoked to be part of the team 🙂
Hi! I feeling the same. I normally also read dlisted and lainey. The commenters of dlisted have really disappointed me. They are known to jump on people who comment only on rare occasions – but at the moment it is bad there….
Lainey does not disappoint (no commenters there!) She sometimes is a little bit high school but most of the times I like her interpretations.
I really hope this Justice League movie or whateveritsnameis does well at the box office and she starts getting juicier roles. In this misogyinist world she has been seen as the opportunist, the homewrecker and I think she deserves better.
Totally agree! And yesterday I saw that before those Justice league projects she will have “London fields” (she is the main character) and “What’s the Point” (comedy) films coming out.
Excellent! Her acting chops are improving, so here hoping she does a great job.
Look I really think she’s been through hell and she doesn’t deserve any of it but she’s still a bad actress. She was a bad actress before Johnny and she will probably continue to be so.
I think she’s a bad actress too, which is why when I saw those photos of her crying in that car it broke my heart… I didn’t think she was acting AT ALL. Funny how lots of people before the Depp issue said she was a bad actress, but then they were saying she deserved an Oscar for her “performance” in that car. Sad…
I haven’t seen any of her films, so I can’t really comment on her acting, but I do know that a lot mediocre or even bad actors have successful careers. It’s really about choosing the right roles and having a good team behind you.
I agree Goldie, but it is more men than women who have the careers and the mediocre talent. At a certain age even decent actresses mostly get kicked to the curb.
Hey, Keanu (as lovely and amazing as he is) is not a great actor, yet he’s had a fantastic 30+ year career. Ben Affleck is a terrible actor (imo), and it hasn’t stopped him, either! If she chooses roles that are within her range, there’s no reason she can’t have a decent career.
Plus, I really do think she’s improved. If you watch how terrible she was in Pineapple Express vs how she is in something like The Danish Girl or Syrup, you’ll see she’s so much better.
Just an opinion but I think it goes beyond bad acting with her. I mean there are worse actors/actresses but they have a kind of presence onscreen which makes them watchable. Keanu is a bad actor but he’s actually charismatic. He’s also been in movies like the Matrix that actually use him to the good of the film.
I can also think of a few actresses who while not great (say Megan Fox) actually have something on screen that is watchable even if it’s not necessarily good. Amber literally looks like she’s just standing there. She doesn’t have stage presence.
She’s been working on hard on it, and has been improving as far as I can tell in the movies I have seen her in, I wouldn’t say she was a ‘bad’ actress at all, really. Just not on par with the greats. But completely serviceable.
If Ryan Phillippe can have a career, surely AH can.
(I just saw 54. WOW, he is bad. Pretty though!)
Well she not a good actress like at all so she not going to get those Juice roles.
Now if “Aquaman” makes money and her character is well like then she may get a nice long contract with Warner Bros and a crossover role in the Justice League movies.
“London fields” has already been deemed a terrible movie when it played at the festivals last year.
Yes, London Fields apparently got bad reviews. But it’s totally possible for her to be successful, like Goldie said before, if she finds the right roles for her. Scarlett is making a lot of money and I’ve always found her pretty wooden as an actress, yet, she does pretty well with the right roles. The problem is that Depp is a powerful guy and he seems to be at war with Amber. A lot of people hate her right now. Have you seen there’s a petition in Change.org to get her fired from Justice League. It’s INSANE the amount of hatred this poor girl is getting.
While Scarlett acting is not my cup of tea, she a better actress then Amber. Yes mediocre or even bad actors have successful careers, but the one thing that could make up for Amber bad acting is charm, which she lacks also.
I agree with you about Depp trying to ruin her and what little career she has.
You are all saying that she is a bad actress and I thought the same and wrote about it here, but I saw two films of her recently and looked into her other films (and reviews) and she doesn’t ruin anything, the roles and films just aren’t good. Even films with good actors like Harrison Ford and Gary Oldman (paranoia) were sh*tty. And she is being typecast because of her looks. How many actors we appreciate today (like Charlize) because they had one wonderful role that opened doors and made us see they could actually act? There’s so much you can do in a bad role within a bad film. Maybe she is a bad actress but until she destroys a good role I can’t really say that.
The first thing I saw her in was Pineapple Express, and she was extremely bad in it. But I’ve watched some of her newer movies over the past few weeks, and I agree with you–she’s not as bad as people make her out to be. She’s a serviceable actress.
If I’ve learned something about all of this Amber/Depp thing is to be careful about believing certain narratives at face value. I already do that in politics, but in gossip not so much. Most people say she is a bad actress because everybody says that (I was convinced of it) and most haven’t seen her in films or though about what exactly means to be a good actor when the material is awful. In the same way that most of us were quick to say she was a gold digger or using Depp for fame before all of these allegations surfaced.
Miss S people are allowed to have opinions I’ve seen her in more than one film and IMO she’s a bad actress. That doesn’t prevent me from sympathizing with her current situation.
@Luca76, I didn’t write that people couldn’t have their opinions. My point is that not only many haven’t seen her in anything and still say she is a bad actress because that’s the narrative (not your case) and many also don’t separate being a bad actor from acting in a bad film portraying bad written/flat role.
And this has nothing to do with her DV allegations.
I’m a massive supporter of Amber over all of this but I have to say unfortunately I agree, she’s not a good actress. I did think she ruined Danish Girl just because her acting stuck out so much. Though I saw her in a campy horror b-movie and she was perfectly fine in that style of movie. I hope she does have a good career. She could be fine in certain types of movies, just not delicate serious dramas.
@Lucy exactly she is unfortunately someone who sucks the life out of films she’s in.
@ Miss S if we were talking about one or two roles I’d say maybe you’re right but it’s pretty clear she’s a bad actress in both comedies and dramas (didn’t see the film Lucy was talking about so maybe she’s better @action?) and was generally thought to be so among critics and people into movies prior to this whole scandal .(although she does have a small fervent fanbase).
I also think she was getting more high profile roles because she was Mrs Johnny Depp (I’m not going to pretend that I don’t think that in no way does that mean I’m not supportive of her claims).
And just an opinion but I do think some are revising their previous opinion of her because they are rooting for her which I understand but in my mind her acting talent or lack there of has nothing to do with this case.
@Lucy and Luca76, I totally understand what you say I just don’t agree. I do get what Luca76 says about revising our opinions because we are rooting for her, but I don’t think that’s my case, I’m trying to be objective and fair. I’m just surprised because somehow I thought, I mean I was totally convinced she was a really lousy actress but with the exception of the Danish Girl, every film even if entertaining (I liked the Ward) is bad and her characters are basically the good looking girl doing something. And even in the Danish for me she didn’t stand out in a good or bad way. So again, until she has an opportunity o play a decent roles and ruins it I can’t really say she is a bad actress. Let’s agree to disagree?:)
I see this a lot in my country. There isn’t much cinema going on, but the few actors who do horrible novellas but have the chance to do cinema, author cinema, really stand out because they can be amazing when he material is there. It’s quite sad actually.
I watched Syrup a few days ago based on some comments here, and she was good and pretty likable (or as likable as a cool, calculating, kind-of-unlikable character can be) in it. But I’ve never had a problem with her acting. She’s not amazing, but I like her as an actress.
I wish this would stop being drug through the entertainment fields everyday and just keep the info for court
My now spouse had gotten a protective order against him from his soon to be ex wife. They had a row, that led to pushing. It was over her infidelities with the neighbor.
He had a 15 minute window to get his personals.
Later, she gave away, sold, and threw out what he couldnt take. Took his photo albums, letters from his dead mother, put them in a garbage bag, and sent the kids with them on a visit. And how was he going to prove the stuff she destroyed, threw/gave away, sold was his, as receipts over the years were lost or non existant? It was a mess.
So I can see the full on panic.
Btw..he was left with nothing. She had a good lawyer. He lost his home, his stuff, his car, his dog, the kids, his 401k, his pension, and 1500 a month child support to pay. She later married the neighbor, had another kid, sold the houses, bought a mc mansion, killed the dog from neglect, (and a newly bought horse!) and did the same thing to her current husband.
All this over a row. And pushing. Not hitting, pushing.
Pushing is still considered assault. There is NEVER an excuse to lay your hands on someone.
This. I’ve never even considered pushing my husband no matter how angry I’ve been. The thing with pushing – while it’s not a fist to the face is that someone can easily trip into things and get seriously hurt. And if there are stairs nearby – end of the day NOBODY is ever justified to lay a hand on another person regardless of what kind of position that hand is in.
Just saying, you may want to look at the legal paperwork from that divorce someday.
Absolutely no physical contact is necessary for assault, just fear of the contact. Pushing is battery.
I don’t understand how your spouse has a current wife. And i second what Susie 1 of 3 says. Be careful.
Another shoutout to the commenters at Celebitchy.
It is GREAT to see that Depp’s celebrity cuts no corners here.
Abuse is abuse is abuse.
Team Amber.
I’m operating under the assumption that she’s telling the truth, because she has documented everything so well and has essentially taken every step abuse victims are supposed to take in these situations. Depp was my favorite actor for 15 years, so this certainly hasn’t been easy for me to see. It sucks, honestly, to see someone you admired turn out to be something so awful. But I believe her. I’m with Amber all the way.
I think what breaks my heart most about this situation is when I put myself in her shoes. Here’s a young, up-and-coming actress who is trying to get out of a toxic marriage that just happens to involve one of the biggest movie stars of our time. Given all her evidence it shouldn’t be this way, but the media is treating it like it’s her word against his because he’s so beloved. She’s up against the general public, who has been calling her a fame whore the entire time she’s been married to him just because of their age gap and career differences. Worst of all, she’s up against a man who has all the money in the world to discredit her at every turn if he wants to. It is a genuinely horrifying circumstance to imagine. And it’s sick, because she can have all the proof in the world, and her career will no doubt be hurt by this no matter what.