Walking Dead’s new footage shows a different Negan victim: is it relevant?


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Spoilers for previously aired episodes of The Walking Dead follow
I’m still trying to decide whether I’ll keep watching The Walking Dead or if this very gut-wrenching manipulative episode was the last straw for me. Given everything we’ve heard about it, I think this upcoming episode is going to focus on Carol and Morgan acclimating to their new life at The Kingdom, under a guy who calls himself a king and has a pet tiger. I’m too lazy to delve into the imdb writing and directing credits for past episodes to try and figure out the politics and personalities that go into their baffling plot twists and sh-tty dialogue but I’ll just blame showrunner Scott Gimple and be done with it. (Ok so Gimple did write last Sunday’s premiere episode.) If there’s enough interest in future coverage I guess I’ll watch it.

There was so much speculation during the lead-up while we waited to learn who would die on the season premiere of The Walking Dead. Several blogs mentioned that pregnant Maggie might be killed by Negan, citing the fact that Lauren Cohan’s social media seemed to indicate that she was not on set at the same time as the rest of the cast. This actually may have been deliberate misinformation by producers. A new scene has come out in which Negan bludgeons Maggie. It’s just a brief clip that someone taped (poorly) off of a television set, but it gives some insight as to what was being fim. Here’s that scene. (Update: replaced with working version.)

A lot of outlets are calling this an alternate death scene, and that seems to be supported by the dialogue, but it’s hard to tell. The dialogue sounds straight out of the show, and Rick did have horrible visions of his other friends getting killed too. This might have just been a set-up for Rick’s PTSD fever dreams, or it could be an alternate scene that was filmed to throw fans off the scent. OR the people at TWD could have deliberately released this to say, in a weird f-you to the fans, “look it’s not so bad, we could have killed Maggie!” Think of how stupidly far away and grainy this video is. A child could do a better job taping something with a phone off the television. This looks like something deliberately made to look amateur and like “found footage.” (Update: Thanks to mom2two and V4Real, who pointed out that death scenes were filmed for all the major characters to avoid leaks.)

In interviews about the episode, both Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Andrew Lincoln emphasize how hard it was to film, and how tough it was to lose friends. Lincoln promised that future episodes would be “more Lord of the Rings than Lord of the Flies.” JDM explained just how grueling it was to work on the premiere episode and said that “emotionally I was completely drained… It wasn’t just 40 minutes of it; it was 10 days of that, every day, all day.” Also, JDM reminded us that Rick and his team ambushed Negan’s crew while they were sleeping and killed 30-40 people. (Carol finished the job later.) It’s hard to remember that, but Negan took out only two people in retaliation, he just did it extremely sadistically.

After I wrote this story I realized that Steven Yeun covers the upcoming Entertainment Weekly! He says in the accompanying interview that he’s still processing his exit from the show and that it was a confusing time for him to film. Yeun told GQ what it meant to him to play an Asian American character who “didn’t have to apologize at all for being Asian, or even acknowledge that he was Asian.” He also said that he hopes to be a positive role model for kids, essentially. We’ll miss you Glenn!

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  1. mom2two says:

    I hope Yeun goes on to a big career after this. He comes across like such a nice guy in real life and I think he’s a pretty good actor.

    I thought I heard that they filmed several “Lucille” scenes with different characters? And just Maggie’s was leaked (that video linked here was taken down for AMC copyright).

    • V4Real says:

      You’re right, they did film death scenes for all the main cast .

      I actually watched the death scenes on YouTube and it was highly overkill. I started laughing at how comical it became. But I love me some Jeffrey Dean Morgan and it’s amazing how such a sweet man can play such a twisted character.

    • lola says:

      Yeah, I heard they filmed that scene with everyone because they were scared of leaks etc

    • Celebitchy says:

      Thanks you guys I updated with that!

  2. Sullivan says:

    Walking Dead, I quit you.

  3. Lisa says:

    He’s gorgeous. And one hears so many nice things about him as a person.

  4. Nancy says:

    Love it or leave it. Everyone who was or is a fan of the show will make that decision. I’m still walking with them!

    • mayamae says:

      I am, too!

    • Maria_ says:

      me too :-D

    • PimmsCupInAPimpCup says:

      To be honest, I’m leery of the en masse “I’m quitting!” Parade. The first post after the headbanger episode stated, “Lainey’s quitting, so I’m quitting!”
      What? Is there smoke filled boiler room somewhere full of cigar champing businessmen giving orders to a swath of people to quit watching a TV show?
      I’m gonna still watch, after I buy a red scarf to compliment my husband’s biker jacket.
      It seems to me, the upcoming civil war is gonna be a game- changer and a doozy.
      I’m not following the gossip genre’s marching orders.
      I wanna see what happens.

      • Yoon says:

        We’re not following gossip (at least I’m not). We’re just tired of being dicked around by sub-par writers under the guise of “art”/”entertainment”. I used to love this show and the comic series but now its all become torture porn. If I wanted to watch that I’d rather just turn on Human Centipede.

  5. Delta Juliet says:

    The thing with Negan, he was really only upset that they killed his “producers”. He didn’t give two shits about the people themselves.
    I’m not really sure what my point is? I guess just that his revenge wasn’t really on lives lost, but revenue lost.

    I’m pretty sure I’m done now. I felt so down for days after watching that episode. It really held no entertainment value at all for me.

  6. karen says:

    Okay, I can’t seem to remember where the heck Judith is ? I didn’t hate the premiere at all. I did look away at the gore overkill with Lucille tho. To me, the bigger horror was watching Rick have a breakdown. It reminded me of the scene in S4 (I think) when it was implied that the “Claimed” people were going to rape Carl. In any case, I’m a full-on JDM stan, so I’m really looking forward to seeing him a lot this season. He’s absolutely perfect for Negan.

    • Krysten says:

      Judith is at Alexandria with father gabriel and the rest of the alexandrians. Negan is a sick bastard and I am mad they had to find someone so hot to play him lol. Also i feel bad for Abraham because I feel like hes not getting the same mourning that glenn has. I almost wish they would have done Abraham season finale and had this episode with glenn because Michael cudlitz is a good actor too and I hope to see him in more things. Dolphin smooth 😁

      • Nancy says:

        It’s only because Glenn was there from the beginning, and as people say the heart of the show. Norman Reedus posted pics of Michael Cudlitz in the center with several cast members wearing faux red mustaches, it was so cute. He said he learned his fate a year ago…..so he was prepared. The arrow through Denise’s eye was his character in the comics so he knew he was on borrowed time so to speak. Don’t worry Negan has a total turnaround if they stick to the comics…..and yes he is hot. He says he always played a good guy so this is something he really is getting into. Don’t let the first episode scare you away, I think it will be interesting to see where it goes.

      • greenmonster says:

        I agree. They should have killed Abraham in last season’s finale and left Glenn’s death as it happened for this episode. Michael Cudlitz deserves better than “Oh my god, Glenn died… oh yeah and that other guy”.

        Other than that, there wasn’t any big suprise in the episode. People have been speculating for months that those two would die and in what order ( I think we even talked about it here on CB).

  7. HeatherAnn says:

    I think they’re feeling defensive bc of all the terrible feedback they’ve gotten. You could tell in the talking dead that the writer and producer really thought they had made something groundbreaking and hugely artistic.

  8. ab says:

    lol @ the headline “dead glenn talking”

    I was not all that impressed with the episode, I think it should have been the finale of 6 rather than the opening of 7. I’m not super enthusiastic about the show these days as it is definitely spinning its wheels plot-wise and getting a little boring and gimmicky. but, I will probably keep watching. I watch it on amazon, so I might just wait a few weeks to see what people are saying and then do a catch-up binge.

    • Hooboy! says:

      No! Not the last episode or I’d have had months to dwell on it and probably turn away. This way we saw it, now on to life and see all the fallout. My heart breaks for all of them but especially Rick who had to be broken spiritually. Also panicking about Daryl being isolated and possibly misused horribly.

      • Nancy says:

        Leave Daryl alone! Since he isn’t in the comics, we don’t know what his fate will be. He just said somewhere I read or heard that he wanted Daryl to leave the show walking off in the woods just as he came in. I got hooked on the show because of him, but only time will tell how long he will be around. Daryl and Carol, my favs…..

      • ab says:

        there was very little emotional impact for me having to wait the whole summer. glenn was a favorite of mine and it’s like his death came and went, onto the next. I think seeing it at the end of 6 would have been devastating, but I would have been able to grieve a little!

        I do hope daryl gets some semblance of a storyline this season. he was great in the early seasons but he’s been kind of sitting around doing nothing for awhile now.

  9. Dorothy#1 says:

    I thought it was a great episode and i for SURE will continue watching!!!!!

  10. shewolf says:

    I’m pretty sure they didn’t film death scenes for all of them. It would have been leaked months and months ago, like back in June when everyone knew it was Abraham AND Glenn. There’s a facebook page called “walking dead spoilers” where a woman named Autumn Gladden post an episode synopsis before it airs and she’s ALWAYS right. Right down to the last detail she is always right. She’s not affiliated with “The Spoiling Dead” I don’t think… they are the ones who tend to lurk around on set and get their information that way. She seems to have links to an insider on set somehow.

    Anyway, if you look on her pinned posts since the finale aired (and even before that) you’ll see how much she knew and how much she shared. There’s literally no point in making alternate endings just to throw off fans and then no one even sees it until AFTER the premiere airs. If they had filmed them, they would have been released.

    On top of that, I’m pretty sure she denied all theories prior to the premiere that they had 1. filmed alternate endings 2. that they had filmed the entire Negan scene of last seasons finale and this season’s premiere. I’m pretty sure there was a big break in filming the two episodes, they didn’t even look the same to me. Plus Jeffrey Dean Morgan said it took them 10 days to film the premiere.

    • Pamela says:

      “I’m pretty sure they didn’t film death scenes for all of them. ”

      They did. We saw clips of each of them getting hit by Lucille while Rick was having his nervous breakdown. Mind you, whether they filmed them for just that purpose,. or if they filmed them to throw people off track and then realized they could also use them in his breakdown scene…who knows.

      A lot of shows/movies will shoot alternate endings to avoid spoilers, the footage itself might not get leaked—but the point is that the people on set don’t know which ending is correct.

      • shewolf says:

        Getting hit with a bat for a 2 second blip is not a filmed death scene and the one shown here of Maggie is very different from what aired. What I was referring to was that I dont think they filmed a death scene for each of them to specifically throw off spoilers.

        When Nicotero was describing Abraham’s peace sign for Sasha right before dying, he specifically said that when filming the finale they established that no eye contact was broken between Abraham and Negan so when they “got back into it” they were wondering how to give a goodbye between Abraham and Sasha without breaking that eye contact. The peace sign was the way to do that. Clearly there was a big break between filming in the episodes and they hadnt even worked out the details.

      • Kori says:

        The eye contact needed to be maintained whoever got it. You can see it with Maggie as well. It’s because the cliffhanger showed the constant point-of-view between the ultimate victim and Negan. So they needed to maintain that and that’s why when Cudlitz decided to do that bit with the peace sign it worked so well. It maintained what had been set up in the cliffhanger but personalized the character’s death as well.

  11. marshmellow says:

    I’ll only keep watching if Carol goes back to being a psychopath and goes Terminus on Neegan and his whole crew. That probably won’t happen, though, so I’ll just stick with Preacher.

  12. LV says:

    I’d like you to keep watching, and summarizing for me, so I can quit. Then I can decide if I want to watch later. Thanks! :)

    I do hope Steven Yeun goes on to a very successful career though. I loved Cudlitz on the show as well.

  13. ClaireB says:

    What bothers me a lot about Glenn’s death is that the show runners have killed off an Asian main character. It’s not like there are a lot of those on TV at the moment, and given the flak Hollywood has received about the lack of roles, and especially non-stereotyped ones, for people of color, they could have made this one of the times they did not follow the comics. But because Glenn is a beloved character and TWD is basically unimaginative torture p0rn at this point (thanks for the link to the article that gave me a name for this!), they killed him off just to make fans hurt more.

    I don’t even watch the show, but I was in the room for the first 1/2 hour while my husband was watching, and I was completely disturbed. Even he had trouble sleeping that night because it went too far, and he’s not very sensitive to violence.

    • Nancy says:

      They didn’t randomly kill off an Asian character. The show is based on a comic book and Glenn is an Asian pizza delivery boy before the apocalypse. In episode #100 of the comics, he is killed in exactly the same manner as his television counterpart……at the hands of Negan, having his head bashed in with Lucille. I’m such a fan of the comic and show that I keep defending it but I guess if it’s too intense for some people that it interrupts their sleep or thoughts, the best thing to do is not watch. When my husband and I are cringing at something, I just smile and say it’s only television!!!

    • Kori says:

      They could’ve avoided killing Glenn despite the comics. They change it up all the time. Merle got the hand-chop that Rick got. Hershel got the beheading Tyrese got. Bob got the cannibalization that Dale got. Michonne is getting the Rick-romance that Andrea got. Carol is getting the skills that Andrea got. (Carol is 100% different from the comic) There were twin boys who were replaced by Lizzie & Mika. Enid is replacing Sophia (still alive in the comic). Darryl doesn’t exist in the comics. Denise got the death Abraham got in the comics. Judith was killed in the comics. They change things up whenever and however they want.

  14. Norman Bates' Mother says:

    I’ll miss Steven so much…
    I’m a huge TWD apologist (even farm episodes were fine by me!), but I was so angry after the season premiere that I seriously wanted to quit. But there’s no point in lying to myself – I will watch it until the very end and I hope you’ll keep the coverage going. If not for the plot, think of all the hotness oozing from JDM and Andrew Lincoln. ;-)

    Also – what’s with all the spoilers flying around? It’s impossible to take a break from watching with the amount of spoilers all out in the open without any warnings. It premieres only one day later in my country and even then I often find spoilers in random places like under cooking videos on youtube. “Dead Glenn Walking” – really?

    • mayamae says:

      My American cousin is attending university in Hungary, and just asked if she should seek out spoilers, or attempt to wait until the summer and watch the season with me. I told her people were claiming to quite in protest en masse, and that it would be impossible to be spoiled. It’s a little shocking because she’s able to avoid Game of Thrones spoilers.

  15. Sabine says:

    Michael Cudlitz must play Obelix, he would be at least as good as Depardieu!

  16. Kori says:

    I think they muted (I don’t want to say ruined) the deaths of both characters by the cliffhanger. People spent all summer wondering who it would be and when it finally happened, Abraham’s death was overshadowed by Glenn’s but both were overshadowed by people’s anger (new and residual). I would’ve ended last season with the killing of Abraham and leaving everyone shell-shocked but then lulled into complacency as well. Then open up with the shocker of Glenn’s death. Then both men and their characters could’ve gotten their due. I think people still would’ve been talking over the summer but without the anger–and I think the brutality that’s angered some would’ve been diluted enough to not be so anger-inducing. But we could’ve grieved Michael Cudlitz/Abraham (who is getting short-shrift) over the summer and now be grieving Glenn.

  17. J-Who says:

    He didn’t have to apologize or acknowledge he’s Asian BECAUSE HE’S AN AMERICAN. Geez, I get so tired of the ethnicity and race baiting arguments. If you’re born and raised here, you’re American, for Pete’s sake! Who cares where your family originated from? It’s a non-issue.

    • mayamae says:

      Steven Yeun is Asian, and that’s his statement. I imagine that’s his true opinion. And it’s not as simple as you state. I remember on Lost, the character of Miles (who’s Asian), was expected to be able to communicate with another Asian character who didn’t speak English. His response – “I’m from Encino!”

  18. Kath says:

    The more I think about it, the more I think I’m done with The Walking Dead.

    My reaction was like most peoples – thinking the show had not only gotten lazy and exploitative, but had crossed the line into torture p0rn.

    What really annoys me, though, are all the dude-bros on the internet rubbishing people who feel this way. (“Suck it up, princess” etc). Or “if you are upset by this, then you’ve lived your lives wrapped in cotton wool”.

    What a lot of crap. My understanding is that people who have experienced REAL-LIFE trauma have had the worst reactions to this episode. The people (men/teenage boys) who keep asking for more and more extreme violence are like addicts: protected in their little suburban havens. I hate to think of how someone with war-related PTSD would have reacted to that episode.

    I think TWD crossed the line between cartoonish violence and realistic violence. People keep pointing out that Glenn’s death (in particular) was “faithful” to the comic depiction. HOWEVER, drawing violence in comic books is entirely different from realising it on TV, using real actors. My understanding is that the comic books shows all sorts of horrors that would NEVER make it to the screen: headless toddlers, horrific rape scenes etc. So saying that it “faithful to the comic” is not enough.

    Yeah, I think I’m done.