Donald Trump invited journalists to Trump Tower so he could yell at them

I’m going to keep posting this link to Masha Gessen’s Rules for Survival while living in an autocracy, because Gessen just keeps being right. Gessen wrote, after Donald Trump’s electoral victory, that Americans need to prepare ourselves for the decline – if not fall – of so many institutions that we hold dear. The institutions will not save us. Trump will destroy the judiciary for generations. Law enforcement will not save you. And the media will fall too. That’s what this story reminded me of – the fall of the media. It started during the election, and looking back, it’s astonishing how easily media outlets began to be manipulated. Now that the First Amendment is being threatened by President-Elect Trump, don’t expect much of a fight. Trump invited representatives from major networks to Trump Tower yesterday in what was supposed to be an off-the-record meeting about press access during his administration. You’ll never guess what happened.

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter. “Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed.’ The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

“The meeting took place in a big board room and there were about 30 or 40 people, including the big news anchors from all the networks,” the other source said. “Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars. Trump didn’t say [NBC reporter] Katy Tur by name, but talked about an NBC female correspondent who got it wrong, then he referred to a horrible network correspondent who cried when Hillary lost who hosted a debate – which was Martha Raddatz who was also in the room.”

The stunned reporters tried to get a word in edgewise to discuss access to a Trump Administration.

“[CBS Good Morning co-host Gayle] King did not stand up, but asked some question, ‘How do you propose we the media work with you?’ Chuck Todd asked some pretty pointed questions. David Muir asked ‘How are you going to cope living in DC while your family is in NYC? It was a horrible meeting.”

Trump spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway told reporters the gathering went well.

“Excellent meetings with the top executives of the major networks,” she said during a gaggle in the lobby of Trump Tower. “Pretty unprecedented meeting we put together in two days.”

The meeting was off the record, meaning the participants agreed not to talk about the substance of the conversations. The hour-long session included top execs from network and cable news channels. Among the attendees were NBC’s Deborah Turness, Lester Holt and Chuck Todd, ABC’s James Goldston, George Stephanopoulos, David Muir and Martha Raddatz, Also, CBS’ Norah O’Donnell John Dickerson, Charlie Rose, Christopher Isham and King, Fox News’ Bill Shine, Jack Abernethy, Jay Wallace, Suzanne Scott, MSNBC’s Phil Griffin and CNN’s Jeff Zucker and Erin Burnett.

[From The NY Post]

This is how a petty despot behaves. This is how a baby-fisted tyrant behaves. This is how a thin-skinned dictator behaves. And what KILLS me is that these journalists are still bumbling around, trying to act like this is normal, like they still have to play by the same rules in the face of unhinged fascism.

Photos courtesy of Getty.

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  1. Sixer says:

    And so that he could get it out there that he intends to bully the press into acquiescence.

    This is seriously worrying.

    It’ll be judges he’s doing this to come January.

    • Sixer says:

      Oh, and one of his tweets yesterday openly undermined the UK Prime Minister in favour of Nigel Farage, one of his little fascist friends.

      I’m British. I can’t stand our Prime Minister. But seriously: explicitly undermining the elected leader of an ally country? This is Trump diplomacy?

      • Alix says:

        “Trump diplomacy” is an oxymoron. Emphasis, of course, on MORON.

      • Lindy79 says:

        He did not, did he??!?

        Christ…

        EDIT: Actually why am I surprised. He just wants gross sycophants and racist xenophobes surrounding him. Farage fits the bill. That picture of them in Trump Tower made me feel physically sick.

      • lightpurple says:

        Well, your PM IS a WOMAN. He is not going to work with a woman as an equal. Diplomacy is not in the vocabulary of this jerk. I fear for us all.

      • Digital Unicorn (aKa Betti) says:

        Yes. Trump is trying to bully the head of another nation to give his little orange friend a top job cause he said so. Him saying farage was popular with the people nearly made me choke to my tea, thou saying that I have a friend who loves Farage but refuses to see the truth that he’s another orange fascist out to destroy democracy and freedom for his own personal gain.

        Seriously that man as Uk ambassador to the US. Hahahahahahahaha

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        Fascism on the rise.

        Trump’s appreciation of Führage would be enough to dislike the man just out of principle, however the Racist Kipper has done a good job by himself in matters of disgust and dislike for the last twenty years.
        UKIP is basically Mosley’s BUF without the black shirts.

        I don’t like May either but Farage being PM would probably plunge the whole United Kingdom in a civil war straightaway. He has never been elected to the Parliament either so it would reasonably be called a coup d’etat.

      • Becky says:

        Farage is not as popular as he thinks, he’s probably been reading the Fail.

        How long before the GOP have had enough of him and they find a reason to impeach him?

        I give it until May next year.

      • Sixer says:

        And just in case any of our American friends are not quite cognisant of Farage’s fascist credentials, here is a letter written about him by his headmaster during his schooldays:

        http://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farage-ukip-letter-school-concerns-racism-fascism

        “marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs”

        “colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson”

      • Louisa says:

        Didn’t Hillary do it to Russia? People get your facts straight, do you even know Geo political matters? Saudi writing B-Day checks in the millions to Bill for weapons was OK? I’m glad he told them off, the mainstream media is a lying, manipulative asses. Go to any non mainstream media that is not for anyone but facts,you’ll be shocked at the real sad affairs of our country. The same man Trump chose to be sec.of .she is the same man Obama hand chose and gave him him his current job. Get tour facts right. People did not want Hillary n the media ignored all the evil things the Clinton’s have done,go ask Haiti.

      • SusanneToo says:

        @Louisa. Too bad education will be cut. You could really benefit from some remedial language arts classes, and some civics classes, and perhaps a critical thinking class or two.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Louisa
        Breitbart and Daily Mail don’t count as ‘facts’

      • sally says:

        Louisa, check your facts. Amazing how Fox news doesn’t seem to count as “mainstream media” to you. Clinton was not personally responsible for the Haiti situation. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/
        And what in the world would a charity donation have to do with her? It’s not like they put the money in her pocket. Charities accept donations from many sources. You have to scrape and piece together this nonsense and twist the facts to try to make Clinton look bad. Meanwhile, Trump is directly profiting off of business deals (hotels, his daughter’s jewelry hocking) right in front of your face. Get real.

      • Sixer says:

        Louisa

        The operative word in my post was ALLY. Did you miss it?

        Countries try to destablise inimical nations and leaders all the time. That’s the way of the world. US leaders do it. UK leaders do it. Russian leaders do it.

        What is not normal is that Trump did this to an ALLY. He openly undermined the leader of an ALLY and openly promoted an unelected fascist in order to undermine the elected leader of an ALLY.

      • Kitten says:

        @ Louisa- A direct quote from Trump:
        “Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

        The Washington Post shows that Trump filed new companies in Saudi Arabia, including THC Jeddah Hotel and DT Jeddah Technical Services. Trump frequently names companies after the city where he makes hotel deals, with Jeddah being the second largest city in Saudi Arabia.

        It shows that Donald Trump was named president or director of the Saudi Arabian companies, and four of them remained active when he filed his financial disclosures in May. According to WaPo, the disclosures do not reveal many details, and representatives for Trump did not respond to queries.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/a-scramble-to-assess-the-dangers-of-president-elects-global-business-empire/2016/11/20/1bbdc2a2-ad18-11e6-a31b-4b6397e625d0_story.html

      • Sixer says:

        Please, friends, excuse me while I throw my toys out of the pram.

        Louisa

        I realise exceptionalism is a disease of the stupid that infects Trump supporters to the nth degree, but THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. AMERICA, OR HILLARY. This is about your President Elect attempting to bully the leader of an ALLY nation into making democratic diplomatic decisions on the basis of what your President Elect wants. And what your President Elect wants is to make an international alliance of fascists. Because he is a fascist. What in creation has HILLARY got to do with subverting the democratic processes of an ALLY?

        I really am going to have to step away from the keyboard because I am furious.

      • Kitten says:

        Really, we should have just let Sixer handle this because her comment says it all.

        Those of us who voted for HRC don’t have to explain shit at this point.

      • Jellybean says:

        When they showed that tweet on the BBC this morning the air turned blue in my house.

      • Becky says:

        Louisa, further to the above comments, how is Hillary responsible for Trump flouting the 1st amendment? FYI Saudi has what is described as a special relationship with US, not just under Bill Clinton, but continuing under Bush and Obama (but it’s all Hillary’s fault and she’s 20 times worse, right).

        “Go to any non mainstream media that is not for anyone but facts” you mean those fake, right-wing conspiracy sites where facts aren’t important? How about the NY Times, Washington Post, Telegraph, Guardian, BBC, ITN, you know where investigative journalism is still used. And who is suggesting there’s a liberal agenda? Sounds to me that you’re displaying confirmation bias; you’re drawn to alternative media that backs up your views, proper sources and journalism be damned.

      • Radley says:

        I would hope he actually just made several powerful enemies. Not that I want the press to just grind and ax with him. I want them to expose him in the interest of we the people. He’s doing shady things. He will break the law as President because he’s ignorant, batshit and drunk with power. Watch him like a hawk. Then take him down. Hard.

        I will accept nothing less than him leaving office in disgrace. He could also just drop dead. I’ll accept that too.

      • suze says:

        Yes, it is.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        “Didn’t Hillary do it to Russia?… do you even know Geo political matters? ”

        No, no she did not do this to Russia. Also, Russia is not the free press, a right protected by the 1st Amendment.

        The gall to question others on their knowledge of political matters while defending a bigot who is actively using the Presidency to enrich himself and his businesses.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        Guys… leave Louisa alone. It’s really HARD to breathe and type simultaneously, much less make sense and discern facts whilst doing so.

    • DeniseMich says:

      This is a first amendment violation. What he did to the press is a first amendment violation. I don’t know how else to say this.

      How the f**k are we going to inaugurate a President that in his post-election days is trampling all over our constitution.

      America WTF.

      • LAK says:

        The more pertinent question is why did they take it?

        America isn’t North Korea.

        If the media wants to collude in turning it into one, then the media is at fault.

        This won’t be the first time in recent memory that media has been silenced into not questioning the administration or reporting only what the administration wants with no robust examination.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        America…. WTFF…
        And he’s not even in the office yet.

      • Sixer says:

        I saw the report about it in the New York Post yesterday.

        It has to be a First Amendment violation, right?

        I think the least the press have to worry about is access, which is how the NYP article was framed. It’s much worse than that.

      • als says:

        What you said should have been the main topic discussed by everyone in the media the day after this meeting. I get that it was off the record and maybe everyone is getting ready for the fight behind cameras but they really need to step up.

        As far as I know the media outlets attending are not state financed. Why take it?

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        LAK, I suppose they took the meeting because he is, as much as we hate it, the President-Elect. The real question is, will they continue to be bullied? Will this happen again? Because they don’t have to. The thing is, they really need to decide NOW how they want to operate these next few years and they need to stop walking into his little traps. He has made it official now that he considers them the enemy. So behave accordingly. The gloves are off and the rules apparently don’t apply anymore so why still act like anyone owes him the same respect they owed Obama or even Bush?

      • Lindsey says:

        With the current plans to attack the First Amendment, chiefly freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of religion we need to be clear on what a First Amendment violation actually is. The hyperbole and lack of understanding was annoying under Obama but now it is critical people understand their rights and don’t keep crying wolf. No armed gaurds came and rounded them up and forced them to attend and prevent them from leaving. He is not a government official yet. No one was punished and they were allowed to speak back. It is alarming but not a violation of their rights.

        All presidential administrations have to have a strategy to deal with the press. With the rise Internet and 24 hour news channels it has become a large part of the job. He took a rather conventional idea (strategizing with the top media figures about press access and their relationship during his presidency) removed the tact and class. His administration will not be the first or last (assuming he doesn’t start World War 3 and there actually is a 46th POTUS) to try and control the press, get them to obfuscate, delay or kill a story while staying just this side of legal.

        This is worrying and something that needs to be closely monitored but it isn’t a violation of their freedom of speech. It is a thin skin child gloating that he was right and they were wrong. He is just a sore winner that has been handed way too much power and leverage on a silver platter courtesy of the people who voted for him.

      • DeniseMich says:

        @LAK, you asked, “why did they take it?”

        My only answer is money.

        I think they all have to collectively agree to stand together against him. Being denied access to a president and suing the federal government could negatively impact viewership and the bottom line (ad dollars).

        I am going to naively ask if there is any legal way to stop this Trump train. This is quickly becoming worse than I ever imagined.

      • Kitten says:

        Unquestionably a violation of the First Amendment.

        If anybody listens to the Politico Nerdcast–they did a post mortem episode (ep 30) right after the election and the panel of reporters on the show predicted this: that Trump would greatly restrict–if not bar entirely–any reporter’s access to the White House. They described the verbal abuse that they’ve endured in the Trump press pen and went on to say that they anticipate an unprecedented lack of access to the White House. So this wasn’t a surprise.

        Some of the female reporters/commentators on the show also talked about the abuse they’ve endured from Trump-supporters–and while they wouldn’t go into specific detail,you could tell they were very upset and traumatized by the threats and vitriol they received.

        This is the New America and holy shit is it scary.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        Kitten, it’s not just America. Last week, the German AfD banned press from their convention in Baden-Württemberg. Because the press lies and twists their words. Because they can’t be trusted with access. Now, the AfD is not the President-Elect. But these are not good signs.

      • Louisa says:

        But its OK for the media to lie,maligne n push voters to a liberal agenda? Get a clue before you realize how this country is ruled n who the real rulers are.

      • Esmom says:

        Louisa, get a grip. It sounds like you have let yourself be manipulated by puppet master Steve Bannon.

      • Mumzy says:

        For those of us who no longer pay for a newspaper subscription — I vote that we follow John Oliver’s advice and subscribe to one (or more) newspaper(s). The papers have had to cut their newsrooms to sad levels because paid subcribers left to get “news” for free [guilty 😞]. We see how that’s working out — it may be free but it’s not journalism. The way I look at it, if I pay for a subscription to a newspaper, only then can I demand that they behave as “real” journalists! And now, as much as any other time in history, we need some real journalism.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Louisa
        Hitler was a ‘man of the people’, check it, who wanted to free people from liberalism.
        Please inform yourself. Personally I prefer liberal to fascist.

      • Sixer says:

        Louisa – look up the term “magical thinking” and then sit down and reflect. Seriously.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        Louisa, you mean Fox News? Oh wait ….

      • Margo S. says:

        What is very obvious with this whole thing is that everyone in that room said nothing because they are someone’s b*tch and didn’t want to risk their jobs. That whole part of the working world is bullshit. Because if people gave zero effs, they would have been like “wtf trump?! You can’t say that, you are legit breaking the first amendment right now.” Geez, the media is corrupt….

      • LAK says:

        DeniseMich: if money is the the mortivator then you can’t say that you were receiving unbiased news under previous administrations.

        Every single person in the media corp who attended that meeting and didn’t challenge him is guilty of colluding with him and or not holding to the principal of free press whilst pretending they do.

        What if DT had simply flattered them rather than yell? Would we be reading op-eds on what a fabulous person he was? His views refashioned into flattering soundbites good for Joe public? That is the scary conclusion about this episode.

        Since he yelled at them, they silently took it and then sent out hit pieces instead of challenging him directly. That just feeds into the conspiracy theories he peddles.

        What is the point of a cowered press?

        ETA: what Margo S said.

      • WeShallOvercomb says:

        Art Sulzberger and the NYT corps has a similar meeting scheduled with him today. They’ve indicated they have no intention whatsoever of backing down on their coverage of him.

        Supposedly Trump may have cancelled or re-scheduled the meeting since they couldn’t cow to his demand of a fully off-record meeting. I think I’m going to get a NYT subscription this week in support. God bless.

      • Jessica says:

        He’s never read the Constitution and does not care.

      • Lightpurple says:

        @Louisa, please share whatever hallucinogens you are using.

      • DeniseMich says:

        So we are all clear Louisa and Lindsey included….. this is the first amendment (taken from Cornell law school)

        The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.

        In recent interpretations by the Supreme court congress is usually interpreted as govt state, local, federal.

        Donald Trump as the elected leader of the US and one of the branches of the Federal gov’t tried to restrict the press. I am not a lawyer but I am sure one could argue this point.

        @Lak, The press are not brazen but they did rebel by going back to their desks and trashing him. I am not defending the press’ actions. I am really discussing the reality that we have a president elect that either does not understand or value the US constitution and yet we are going to inaugurate him anyway.

        BOOO!

      • detta says:

        @Lightpurple
        No, please don’t ask her to share! Whatever it is, everyone should stay away from it as far as possible. Clearly it poisons the mind and dumbs down completely.

        All of this is just so beyond words. Am I the only one feeling as if they’ve been chucked into an alternate reality since the outcome of this election? Or having a bad dream one should wake up from any minute. Or maybe just a bad reality tv show unfolding every day. Not that it wasn’t written on the wall what would happen. But still, the speed is baffling: It’s been two weeks and some truly horrible individuals now have a grip on the WH and the POTUS, who personally threatens the press. Millions of American citizens feel threatened by what may come. Allies and partners worldwide are alienated or at least in deep worries. And this nutjob will have his hands on the nuclear codes come January. You know, I’m an atheist so don’t say this lightly, but God help us all.

      • notlistening says:

        @Louisa

        Why are you doing this? Do you want to live in a facist world? Are you being paid? Let me tell you, whatever is going wrong in you life, it´s not the fault of immigrants, POC or the LGBT-community.

      • steerpike says:

        Mumzy, you are absolutely right. It is hard not to feel helpless with everything that is going on, but one way that everyone can help is to support the independent press that is actually standing up to Trump by reporting what is going on.

        I just subscribed to the Guardian and am making a list of other publications that I want to support.

      • LoveIsBlynd says:

        Yeah- why didn’t someone stand up and say, “I will not be called a Liar. This is called the Press”. And walk the F out? This. I don’t understand. This.

      • Lindsey says:

        DeniseMich – He didn’t violate that. He invited people over said they were wrong and called them liars. It is Presidential behavior but it isn’t illegal either. First, he isn’t President yet so he can’t act on behalf of the government. Private ridicule isn’t grounds for say your rights to free speech have been violated. Is likely he will? Yes. This is premature. Civil rights attorneys and constitutional lawyers have been watching what is going on. They don’t think it constitutes a violation. Do you know something that hasn’t been reported? Did he threaten to throw them in jail? Even the people who had to sit through his rant aren’t saying their rights have been violated.

        He will I am sure. He has treated the press horrendously. He is going to be mad when he finds out there are no federal libel laws for him to “open up.” Don’t start crying wolf now. After January 20th I am sure there will be tons of actual violations. This is merely a preview.

      • Fluff says:

        Luisa = Erika
        Erika hi! We missed ur trolling a**!
        How u doin?

      • Annetommy says:

        I think Louisa is Melania’s pen name…there are certain similarities…

    • Nicole says:

      Welp. I don’t know if there’s more to say really. I’m just….*sigh*

    • Megan says:

      I will be writing to every one of these news outlets letting them know that a free press is essential to our democracy and they need to stand strong. I hope millions of others do the same so the pressure from the citizenry equals that of the executive branch.

    • ida says:

      @Louisa the “but Hillary” is a very LAME… I personally could not care less what she did in the past and who did get what mone in the 90s. it is yesterday’s news. RIGHT NOW it is important to discuss the things that happen NOW. and everything looks very dark with this crazy orange führer your great nation elected! Best from Germany.

      • Sunnydaze says:

        GUYS. @Louisa is a troll. She’s lurked on here before and dropped bizarre, nonsensical ramblings into these amazing threads causing all of you educated and passionate posters to take to the keyboard to stop yourselves from banging your heads into the nearest brick wall. And even if she’s not a “troll” this is someone who clearly doesn’t want to engage in meaningful discourse, and just wants to cause upheaval and rising blood pressure numbers. Don’t give in to her, seriously…I’ve had more than enough of her stupid hijacking of threads I genuinely love to read.

        @Louisa, get a hobby. Seriously. Go day drink and watch Fox news, re-read Gary Busey’s twitter, whatever gets your rocks off, but STFU, the “Liberal media!” schtick is really, really old.

      • hmmm says:

        @Louisa is a Nazi Troll for Trump. According to Sartre, this is part of the Nazi strategy. They don’t care about words. They just want to confuse and attack- they want to see people hurt. Just like all sadistic abusers, they’ll say it’s a joke or lie. The one thing they care about is getting everyone who believes in what they say riled up. They get off on it.

        Ignore the Nazi Troll for Trump.

    • Azurea says:

      What he said is the truth. Wake up, people. You’re being conned. Try reading/listening to some of the really good alternative media, which is now the REAL media.

      • WeShallOvercomb says:

        Good grief.

        Is this the same alt-media who yesterday asked if Jews were “real people”? I think I’ll pass.

      • SusanneToo says:

        Hi, Azurea. trump said he loved stupid voters. I guess there were a lot of you out there. Well, I fervently hope and I truly believe you will get what you DESERVE under Fuhrer trump.

      • hmmm says:

        Bwahahahaha! Go back to your little safe space at Breitbart and join the other Nazi Trolls.

    • Cran says:

      It’s time we stopped sugar coating the election results & face facts. In Wisconsin the courts have determined that Republican Party guilty of gerrymandering to prevent Democrats from getting votes. Not the only state guilty of this look at North Carolina.

      The presidential election was a bloodless coup. Our government and democratic institutions have been taken over. It doesn’t matter who you voted for we are ALL affected and will suffer repercussions. This is not paranoia this is the world we woke to 11/9.

      Congress will not protect us. The media will not protect us. The Constitution will be used against us. It’s powers will be amended and weakened and the changes to come will be posited as to our benefit. The reality is the general public is being distracted and encouraged to be divisive.

      OUR power is in remaining inclusive and pulling together and staying strong. There is no back to go to there is only moving forward.

      It remains up to US as a NATION. UNITED. WE must choose OUR path forward.

      PEACE AND LOVE AND UNITY AND STRENGTH.

      • hmmm says:

        Agreed, @Cran. But there is no uniting with Nazi believers. And one other thing that differs between them and us, is that we will not be shocked by everything going down and they will, when they come for them, too.

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Exactly right, Sixer, and like you I fear it’s a disgusting and frightening harbinger of things to come. I can’t recall a time in my life when democracy in America was more in peril. The McCarthy era comes to mind, but this is the McCarthy era squared.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      This is so disturbing. He is going to try and be a dictator. Will the congressional GOP let him? They just might.

      • hmmm says:

        Have they stopped him at anything so far? Think about all the things he said and did. Did anyone from the GOP stop him? Are they stopping him now?

      • EM says:

        Yes, they absolutely will because there is no love of country or democracy but rather love of power. Sadly this was my concern months ago and everyone kept saying don’t worry he will be reigned in, our system has safeguards, etc.

        The only protection we will have is organization and information. The real problem is that a lot of the Trump supporters are part of those survivor groups and militia so between them and the military we (the ones that saw the writing on the wall and tried to prevent it) are seriously out-gunned.

  2. Alix says:

    The media needs to grow a pair, and FAST.

    • LAK says:

      Exactly.

      Everyone is behaving as if they are utterly helpless to whatever Trump wants when freedom of press, among many things, is still very much an option.

      • Esmom says:

        Yes, Alix and LAK. I couldn’t believe this when I was reading it yesterday and it still seems unreal reading it again today. The media can and should be in the driver’s seat here.

      • Kitten says:

        I’m still so pissed that they buried the story of him having to pay $25M in a fraud settlement so they could focus on Pence being boo’d at a play, which was a non-story by comparison. He manipulated the f*ck out of them once again and they let it happen.

        DO YOUR DAMN JOB, GUYS.

      • Christin says:

        I agree with Kitten. Media have helped the deflection by focusing on trivial, reality show-type sound bites and click bait instead of the real news. The settlement, foreign trips and interests should be far more important than theatre tweets.

        They know his game, yet keep playing it.

      • Kitten says:

        If you haven’t already read it, I highly recommend this NYer expose about the fraud case:

        http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-university-its-worse-than-you-think

        “One thing is clear, though. If the revelations about Trump University don’t do any damage to Trump, it’s time to worry—or worry even more—about American democracy.”

        We really have a duty to keep informed of these things, since apparently our fellow citizens don’t give a sh*t.

    • Wren33 says:

      I have noticed a lot more calling of his bullshit by the press, starting a couple weeks before the election. The fact that the New York Post, right wing mouthpiece, is the one that published this, the fact that Megyn Kelly has gone rogue, does make me a little hopeful that the media won’t totally be swayed by “tradition” and “respect for office” now that he is blatantly anti-media.

      • Kitten says:

        The Times have been consistently critical and outspoken of Trump and his campaign as well.

        Also, I refuse to utter the words “President Trump”. He’ll be referred to only as “Trump” (when I’m feeling nice) for the next four years.

      • swak says:

        Report that Trump cancelled his sit down with the NYT because they would not have anything off the record.

      • Lama Bean says:

        Word is that DT fed this story to NY Post.

      • SusanneToo says:

        Kitten, Herr Fuhrer trump sounds about right to me.

      • Trashaddict says:

        Re: the NY Times response, the rest of the press should have followed suit. Do NOT kow-tow to this enabled bully.

    • Betsy says:

      This. I get so mad when I think of the rolling over that the media did during W, and what they appear to be doing now. Those idiots thought they could just enjoy the ratings; they overestimated Donnie’s intelligence and patriotism.

      Quite frankly, I wish he’d have his stupid aneurysm rupture and leave the country more or less in peace.

      Also, AUDIT THE VOTE.

    • vava says:

      This sort of reminds me of the way Prince William handles the press, although Trump is 1000 times worse.

    • Lyka says:

      Thank you!!

      The media agreed to this off-the-record meeting. WHY would a serious journalist do that? What on earth is the benefit of getting access to the president elect if you’re going to keep the content of your conversation a secret anyway? And did no one worry about the optics of all the media’s biggest power players gathering in Trump tower for a closed-door session? The whole notion of “oh, but what’s our access gonna be?” feels like scapegoating anyway. Journalists don’t need specially regulated access. They need to watch the administration and report aggressively on what they see. Not, as Glenn Greenwald put it, act as “vassals in order to be granted access to the royal court.”

      • Kitten says:

        Well…to a degree. In terms of fact-checking, direct access to the POTUS and his administration as well as key White House sources lends a layer of credibility and insight to a reporter’s coverage of the White House. Merely writing aggressive commentary about a presidential administration in this day and age of amateur blogs and keyboard warriors doesn’t offer much of an advantage in terms of journalistic credibility or discernment.

        So while the critical think pieces about the Trump campaign from journalists, authors, activists etc DO provide an important voice of dissent, it is not a replacement for the in-the-thick-of-it type of reporting that happens from the White House. More importantly, the fact that Trump is trying to effectively eradicate the press’s access to his administration reeks of secrecy and should be of great concern to both the media and the American public alike.

      • Lyka says:

        I’m confused by this. My point wasn’t about amateur blogs and keyboard warriors. It was about the mainstream media elite and their complicity with normalizing Trump’s behavior. Aggressive commentary and aggressive reporting are two different things. I don’t think I said anything that would imply an absconding of the latter in favor of the former.

        If you’ll look at my language, I noted “specially regulated access” as my issue. I both realize and don’t argue that regular press corp access is a precedent. My issue was that I don’t understand why negotiating this common expectation required an OFF-THE-RECORD meeting in the first place.

        I don’t disagree with anything you said. It’s just not really relevant to the points I was making. And if it wasn’t clear from my initial post, I don’t believe progressives will be well-served by relying solely on the outlets represented in that closed-door meeting this week for journalistic rigor appropriate to the expected opaqueness of this administration.

      • Lindsey says:

        They have to figure out the logistics and ground rules of his administration and how they deal with the press. The daily briefings, who gets in, dress code, who follows him around. It is of the record because unless you are a member of the White House Press Corps or in charge of reporters there it doesn’t concern you. All presidents run the briefings and allocate access slightly differently. It is part of the transition. We wouldn’t even have heard about it had he not insisted on holding it in Trump Tower and raving like a lunatic. It could be off the record because it is supposed to share information as riveting as the President doesn’t allow blue jeans in the West Wing (George W.Bush made that one) or where do we send the bill for snacks on Airforce One, network or to the reporter?

      • jwoolman says:

        Considering the way the meeting went, they need to discard the off-the-record nonsense as their duty to the country and have a joint half hour to one hour of programming at least dedicated to first, a description of the weird meeting and second, why that is unacceptable and a very dangerous sign.

        They have nothing to lose. Trump is not going to grant them access to his stupid Administration, that was the real message from President-Elect Stupid. Let him do that, let Fox News be the only ones in the room asking pre-approved questions. They can watch Fox News or YouTube to pick up the latest from President Stupid and this time fact-check everything. And always remind viewers that President Stupid is afraid to let real journalists ask him questions.

    • EM says:

      The media needs to collectively find a brain. They, and as a result we, are being played by Bannon, Conway and Trump. The media knows this but continues to go with it because of ratings. There are strategies they could implement to effectively manage his monopoly on misinformation and lies – for example they could regulate all those BS stories (i.e. Hamilton, SNL) to a 15-second snippet or not cover it all.

  3. BeBeA says:

    Of course he did, gosh! The orange baby man with toddler hands and an anus for a mouth can’t handle someone telling him that what he says is incorrect or just plain dumb! Way to go American! We did this somehow!

    • Toot says:

      White America did this, be clear. I’m a woc, and most of us had enough sense to see this mess for what he is.

      • Betsy says:

        Oh, uh uh. Plenty of us white folk could see that demented loser for who he is. I’m not owning that. I voted Hillary like any thinking person.

      • Esmom says:

        Betsy, I’m white, too, but the numbers don’t lie — whites, including women, handed the presidency to Trump.

      • Kitten says:

        What Esmom said.

      • Trashaddict says:

        Kinda hard to say that when the popular vote went to Hillary. So which is it? Did the white folk hand it to Trump or to Hillary?

  4. Lindy79 says:

    Its worrying and terrifying and only the start.
    Freedom of the Press, first to go in Trumps new America

  5. mkyarwood says:

    Welcome to the Big Chair, little dude.

    • Christin says:

      The little orange boy was upset because one network did not have flattering photos of him. His multiple chins were showing. You cannot make this stuff up.

  6. Tate says:

    And some wonder why I can’t forgive the people who voted for him. We are so f@cked.

  7. Maura says:

    This is so scary and I am just completely dumbfounded how so many people shrug it off. We are flying down the slippery slope to straight up authoritarianism. Lord help us all.

  8. aquarius64 says:

    A petty display by the president elect but what did you expect? U.S. allies are wondering if the U.S. will have their back when needed and enemies are wondering if it’s going to be easy to take down this country because he’s in charge.

  9. Hannah says:

    Stalin could’ve done better.

  10. Bex says:

    Why are the media not calling for impeachment or a vote audit or SOMETHING on every front page every day?! For that matter, why aren’t the Democrats? This is madness. Imagine if within a week, President-elect Clinton had used unsecured lines for communication, had Chelsea in on official meetings, settled a 25 million dollar fraud lawsuit, appointed white nationalists, undermined the first amendment etc etc etc. People would be baying for blood. Why is this being accepted?

    • Lindy79 says:

      I have no idea. Its like living in some horrible twisted other dimension.

    • Maria says:

      i totally agree. Since nothing he has done in two weeks has been in any shape or form concilliatory, I do not understand why the Democrats are not showing a LOUD and united front against this.

    • Karen says:

      Impeachment would leave Pence in charge. That’s still not a solution.

      • Betsy says:

        If an audit of the vote in the swing states where Hillary was polling far out ahead of Anusface and where Donald curiously got the 1% more he needed shows that Russia rigged the vote on his behalf, then he is NOT the PE, Pence is NOT the VPE. Hillary wins, in line with her popular vote win.

        AUDIT THE VOTE

      • lightpurple says:

        Earlier today, a federal court ruled that Wisconsin unconstitutionally gerrymandered and made it harder for Democrats to cast votes. And massive irregularities are being found in the vote counts. They have several thousand more votes for the presidency than they have ballots.

      • Annetommy says:

        An unfortunate tandem accident might be the answer…not fatal, just enough concussion to make them realise everything they stood for was vile, and they would resign immediately. But then it would be Ryan?

    • M.A.F. says:

      Because he is a white, wealthy, man that is why. If it was a POC or woman, Washington DC would be on fire.

    • hmmm says:

      It’s the SILENCE from powerful people in government, media and elsewhere which is frightening. No one is standing up against this evil.

  11. Lindy79 says:

    Hes ranting about the NYTimes now.
    Please US media, do not roll over for this asshat. Use it and never let up on him. Make it your duty to expose him for everything he is. Even if his gross supporters dont care, you will drive him insane.

    How DARE he!!

    • Esmom says:

      Yeah, I just heard that he cancelled a meeting with them because they “changed the rules,” meaning they wanted some of the discussion to be on the record. Every day it gets worse, it seems.

      • swak says:

        Daily Mail has the story. This was the original story:

        Donald Trump has cancelled a sit-down with reporters from The New York Times and the newspaper’s publisher Arthut Sulzberger after the newspaper refused to speak with the president-elect off the record. ‘I cancelled today’s meeting with the failing @nytimes when the terms and conditions of the meeting were changed at the last moment. Not nice,’ Trump wrote on Twitter at 6.15am Tuesday morning. The Times however was quick to respond to Trump’s claims, revealing that they did not change any terms of the meeting but did refuse to speak with him off the record. The original terms stated that Trump would speak off the record at the start of the meeting, and that would be followed by a lengthy on-the-record discussion with reporters and columnists.

        Now the headlines read:
        On or off? Donald Trump WILL meet with The New York Times after now agreeing to the paper’s demand that some of the session be on the record, following brutal meeting with ‘liar’ TV bosses

        Who knows – this all within the last half-hour to hour..

  12. JustME says:

    I hate him so much.

  13. Luca76 says:

    Of course they’re going to roll over. Corporate media is just so shamefully bad. You can literally watch CNN, Fox etc for hours and get almost no information about what’s happening on the planet. MSNBC is very slightly better but it’s mostly just editorializing (even though I’m a liberal and agree to some extent with the commentary )it’s not informative thank good for NPR, PBS, and I know they have their biases but the BBC is great for world news.
    The fact that our news is so awful is the biggest problem in our democracy and directly responsible for the situation we’re in. It’s an even worse situation with local news and I live in NYC for gods sake.

    • Whyme says:

      I’m slowly seeing people on social media starting the whole “oh you watch BBC news? You’re blind sheep” like they do with CNN, MSNBC, etc.

      Scary world.

    • Amelie says:

      I stopped watching U.S. TV News-for the most part-a long time ago and find France 24 a better source of news. There are a few U.S. journalists who are an exception, but there are too many relationships of a political nature between the network executives and the reporters. All too often the ‘political analyst’ who is a paid talking head for the TV network has a solid history of working for one of the two political parties and this is not explicitly stated.

      I had a look at the websites of the big three U.S. TV networks and only one carried a story about this “off the record” meeting; it reported that a meeting took place, but nothing about the substance of the meeting. I am afraid I have an issue with the Post’s story as it would necessarily have to come from someone who had an ethical lapse in disclosing details of an “off the record” meeting. For me, this makes me question the reliability of the information.

      From the standpoint of the President-elect, I would have counseled against a “reset” meeting with the press. I would be interested to know where this idea came from. I think a better move would have been to give interviews judiciously over time and to rebuild relationships with media in this way. I get that because many media outlets are currently publishing information on the transition that may be inaccurate and that the image people on the transition team might be concerned about this, but that is what the media is. The media is unfortunately currently full of scoundrels.

      • Lambda says:

        Oh, OK, so it’s the media’s fault. Got it.

      • Amelie says:

        Lambda:

        I am just pointing out an issue that concerns me….

        Per my non U.S. news sources, a lot more took place yesterday that was in my mind more newsworthy than this “off the record” meeting. What I am referring to is to bombing of one of two hospitals left in Aleppo. I viewed footage of preemie babies being removed from damaged incubators by staff and given to their weeping mothers. Their fate was clear. IMO, this was something that should have been front and center on the evening news, not the media “reset” meeting. The fact is that the media makes decisions on what to publish in printed media or run in electronic media so they carry lots of obligations. And yes, I find them wanting.

      • Lambda says:

        Bah, I was informed by the situation in Aleppo from the NYT, PBS, and the Guardian. At the same time, I badly need to be informed about the next president’s positioning towards the free press. I’m capable of absorbing multiple sets of information.

      • Amelie says:

        I call “Humbug” on the complaints of certain media that there is a First Amendment/free press issue. I recall someone on this site in the past few years who stated that the news was all about making money. IMO, money has a lot to do with their public statements about this. :-J

  14. Ainda says:

    This is awful… I don’t live in the US but I’m still totally shocked that he’s going to be president.
    I’m really worried that he is not only gonna mess with the US for decades but also with the world order…
    The media folks should have left the room immediately!! All of them!
    Why listen to him?
    Why even give him the pleasure of listening to his petty and disrespecful rant?
    Why give him respect when hes not respecting anyone?
    Where is their self-respect?

    The media should punish him hard! The media is powerful and should finally start to use the power they have…
    Hey, if you are reading this and work for a major network: just ignore Trump!
    He loves the attention and everyone everywhere is giving him attention.
    Please just ignore him; don’t give him headlines, don’t give him a platform where he can show us his awful behavior…

    • hmmm says:

      The media have been giving him all the power for a long time now, in exchange for profits. They continue to give him power, this last time they eve tugged their forelocks. Craven cowards is all I see and a neutered fourth estate.

  15. Lynnie says:

    I can’t believe members of the Electoral College are sitting down reading/hearing about this m, and yet on December 19th they’ll still vote him in. 😒. Now I remembered why I was on a news hiatus. It’s too depressing.

  16. Jenns says:

    Trumpelstiltskin just can’t help himself. Sad!

  17. Shelllley says:

    It seems like the press would rather have “access” to the future president (and their big pay cheques) and be told what to say, how to say it and when to say it instead of actually being journalists; investigating and reporting on their findings.

    If they had done their job in the first place, America wouldn’t be in the situation it is today.

    • Kitten says:

      I don’t know if I agree with that, although I definitely agree that the press failed to do their job adequately. But I don’t think we can blame them entirely for this–this is primarily the citizens’ fault. Why could all of us here see how catastrophic a Trump administration would be but so many Americans couldn’t?

      Scratch that. They knew the potential for disaster, they just didn’t care.

      The failure might also be on the part of American culture as whole–the selfishness, the reactionary responses, the insularity, the rampant jingoism….and on and on.

      Like others have said above, I can’t be nice and understanding towards anyone who voted for this guy, I just can’t.

      • Esmom says:

        I tend to agree with you, Kitten. I’d add that another factor was that more people than anyone imagined were taken in by Steve Bannon’s diabolical scheming to control the narrative. And fake news. I don’t think we can blame the mainstream media for all the fake news that people seem to buy so willingly because it’s served up so conveniently.

  18. Insomniac says:

    Thank goodness we were spared Hillary Clinton and her email servers, amirite?

  19. Lilyvalley says:

    Friends, This is what happens when an elected official throws away the rule book in a democracy. First a big shock to the system, but shortly after, the fear of loosing what you currently have takes over and the whole country goes into submission. Because material ownership rules all. This is the result of consumerism and globalization of the last 3 decades. Do we really need those SUVs?

  20. Lisa says:

    well the media deserve it for sitting on their ass for the last two years and completely not fulfilling their responsibilities

    • poppy says:

      yes they have been failing for a long while.

    • PennyLane says:

      Yes, they have been complicit in this corruption for a long time.

      For years the media have been licking the boots of power instead of holding powerful people accountable, and now look where we are.

  21. RussianBlueCat says:

    I am looking forward to seeing those same media people racking Donald over the coals when he screws up or gets impeached. The man has no class

  22. poppy says:

    president rump is not going to make it full term. he’s the oldest elected, in the worst health and shape, has no tolerance, no stamina and zero coping skills outside of having his own way 24/7.
    he is incapable of being fairly criticized -hence the plan for future rallies, have to keep the giant ego inflated.

    compare obama before becoming POTUS and current pictures. obama was healthy and vibrant. that’s not what’s taking office in january. quite the opposite.
    rump won’t make it.

    and very prescient of germany for not taking his grandpa back (although sorry we’re stuck with his progeny)
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/trump-grandfather-friedrich-banished-germany-historian-royal-decree

    guess that apple didn’t fall far

  23. vava says:

    Not only does Trump not have the temperament for this job, he’s beginning to show signs of mental illness. He’s going to have to crash before the people in his circle recognize it. It’s up to the press to be diligent in reporting, and to dig deep right now. His business dealings, conflict of interest, pending lawsuits, etc. are all in dire need of investigation. The press needs to escalate NOW, not wait until after the inauguration.

  24. HK9 says:

    We can’t normalize this behaviour. The media needs to stand up and do their jobs even when it’s uncomfortable. The ‘great businessman’ has taken time out of his presidential schedule to scold people?? He has a country to run and that meeting was in no way professional much less presidential. He hasn’t got a clue and he’s going to take the whole country down with him. SMH

  25. TeamAwesome says:

    I notice Charlie Rose was left off of the CBS team that went. Was that because he has no f@#%$ left to give or because he wasn’t “invited”?
    This is the year I will try my best to get blood from a turnip so I can donate to NPR. I have a feeling they need it now more than ever.

  26. Rhiley says:

    I started watching the news again. I have always watched a lot of MSNBC. I know most of the hosts and regular contributors. I am aware that MSNBC is pretty biased and the reporting isn’t always that great. It is the liberal version of Fox News in many ways. But my impression is that the station is really trying to find its footing now in the age of trump. Everyone there sounds confused and bumbling or worse, very open minded and kiss assy toward trump (Morning Joe). Joe and Mika in the morning, “We told you that trump could become president and now he is and we were right and so many people were wrong and we now have to be open to how president trump is going to govern and he doesn’t owe the American public a thing.” Um, no, he does owe the American public. He owes a lot. And the media needs to hold him accountable. I just want to add that the media needs to “follow the money” regarding the trump businesses. I borrow that phrase from the writer who wrote Clinton Cash, which Bannon published. They kept saying about the Clinton Foundation, follow the money. If the media does this over the next year or so in regards to trumps businesses, it is very likely a lot of corruption and cronyism will be exposed.

    • Christin says:

      A WaPo reporter diligently dug around the foundation’s money trail, yet it was washed over by tons of other nonsense before the election. I’m not sure what it takes to get the public’s attention.

  27. reg says:

    He is trying to run this country like a dictator, control on how the press reports him,
    sounds a lot like Russia, where reporters are jailed and harrassed when they don’t
    report the way ” Putin wants press to cover him

  28. lightpurple says:

    Well, now Trump has realized, probably because actual lawyers with brains told him off, that the whole Clinton email and foundation investigation was just a farce so he has decided NOT to prosecute her but had that Kellyanne jerk deliver these parting words:

    Conway said Clinton “still has to face the fact that a majority of Americans don’t find her to be honest or trustworthy,” but added that “if Donald Trump can help her heal, then perhaps that’s a good thing to do.”

    Yeah, the orange manure pile is going to help Hillary Clinton heal. I suspect “heal” was actually meant as “heel.”

  29. oce says:

    We are not going to have to deal with this for too long. I give Trump 2 years in office before he is removed by impeachment. I was at the World Bank when President Paul Wolfowitz was in power (former under Secretary of Defence under GW.Bush) – that was the most epic, obvious take down I ever saw in my life. I watched how my boss and many others leaked so many stories that the media could not even keep up and keep their stuff straight – it was crazy! #TrumpWillBeWolfowitzed

  30. LinaLamont says:

    Check out “The Twilight Zone: It’s a Good Life”.
    That’s what the next 4 years and 2 months are going to be like, if Trump’s in the White House.

    Couple of scenes:
    https://youtu.be/AkJcFGvNgcY
    https://youtu.be/ETfzfy0jy74

    The media was complicit/enabled him and tore into Clinton, relentlessly… they reaped what they’ve sown.

    • isabelle says:

      Newspapers really tried, they really did. TV media though, in order to be “fair and balanced” ruined Bernie and Hillary. All for entertainment purposes and to make themselves look deep and journalistic. Maybe TV media does deserve this. They helped elect a fascist pretty much.

      • LinaLamont says:

        “Newspapers really tried, they really did.”
        No, they didn’t. I wish I could remember the big story the NYT pulled back on….Putin & Trump, Comey? Damn. I’ll try to find it. They weren’t the only ones. They buried a lot of big stories, underreported, didn’t report. The WashPo, too. HuffPo and Daily Kos were two of the only ones to report everything.

      • isabelle says:

        I’m a die hard longterm liberal and Daily Kos & Huffington post aren’t hard hitting news sources. They predominately really on copy & paste and their “sources”. Read them but they aren’t investigative news sources. Trump himself has said NYT was the harshest criticizer of him and its part of the reason he is obsessed with them. They also broke the Tax story that really led to nothing when it was exposed. They lead with his Russian ties, it really went nowhere. NYT actually did send investigators to look into the Comey story but came up with nothing. So even if Comey did feed them news, they sent a second team out to investigate and found no link.

  31. Sansa says:

    Sounds like he really went off and am positive everyone attending the meeting is very pissed off. Wouldn’t you be. This isn’t a banana republic yet. Trump can yell at them but it’s up to them what they put out there, (and it almost seems like he is upset he won and was calling out these folks for getting him into this) but it’s now up to them going forward on coverage and it appears like it’s going to get ugly.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Not sure. Gayle King – wait, Oprah’s BFF Gayle King – ASKING him to frame the terms of their “working together?” Oh, right, she’s hoping for an exclusive with Melania.

      No one should be asking him for anything. THEY should be telling HIM how it’s going to work. But they’re not. They’re waxing rhapsodic about the sharp fashion sense of American skinheads instead.

  32. Pumpkin says:

    Forgive me if I managed to double post. I think I accidentally hit send, but my phone froze. This is the only place I feel comfortable voicing my fears. I live in a red state and my FB is full of either Trumpers or people who would like to bury their heads. I’m sure I’ve been unfollowed by half the list.

    I fear we will never recover from this. His “fans” do not care about the first amendment unless they are using it to rail against political correctness or a democratic president. They don’t care about freedom of the press when they think it is bias and corrupt. They don’t care about freedom of religion unless they are using it to deny service to someone they deem a sinner. They don’t care about facts. It doesn’t matter that they are costing New Yorkers money and want to do so indefinitely. His fans AREN’T in New York. They probably like it that those liberal city-dwellers are getting screwed. They don’t care that he’s already using the position to garner advancement for his business or that he’s refusing to resolve conflicts of interests. That stuff does not matter to them. When he crashes and burns, it will undoubtedly be Obama’s fault. Look at the way they can twist the current state of the economy to somehow be worse than when Obama took office. Between these people and those that choose to bury their heads because they think “CHECKS AND BALANCES”, I just don’t think we will recover. I hope we survive.

    • Sansa says:

      I hear you and appreciate where you’re coming from. But there is still hope. Trump is an idiot who was elected by idiots. Let’s say that’s a fact!
      When The idiot president gets into trouble ( first year) same idiots who voted may start to turn on him. Public is fickle they like to tear down what they built up. Let’s see.

    • Susannah says:

      Sigh. 87% of Manhattan voted for Hillary. The line at my polling place was two hours long, but everyone waited. Patiently. To no avail.
      Trump was booed and catcalled by citizens behind barriers as he entered and exited the New York Times building today. Unprecedented with any other American President-elect.

    • hermia says:

      It’s Brexit and Brexiteers to a “t”. Substitute NY with London and you have a carbon copy of the cretins we have to deal with in the UK.

  33. Margo S. says:

    He is Hitler.

  34. M.A.F. says:

    The media needs to grow a pair and start doing their damn job- reporting the facts. It is their duty to question this man at every turn of his Presidency. Where would we be if our Founder Fathers didn’t push back at the British government through boycotts and pamphlets? We’ll still be drinking tea instead of dumping it.

    And everyone needs to pick up a damn history book and look up Fascism, Mussolini and Hitler because this is how it starts.

    • robyn says:

      The media has been such an incredible failure during this election cycle, especially CNN broadcasting day and night highlighting Clinton’s mistakes and turning them into mountains while at the same time giving Trump a huge platform and minimizing his outright lies. Fake news made the airwaves like never before and ratings was all anyone seemed to care about.

      • M.A.F. says:

        Yep. I kept waiting for it, waiting for any of the broadcast stations to call him out. Hell, even Bill O’Reilly came close once and I swear I thought Chuck Todd was going to have a heart attack after one of the debates. But the full blown in your face I was expecting from the news never happened.

      • Christin says:

        Supposedly Chuck asked some ‘pointed’ policy/issue questions yesterday, so good for him. And Gayle supposedly asked for specifics about how the press could work with him. That is a classic aporoach to try and halt a general rant by turning it back to the complaining person to state specifics.

      • LinaLamont says:

        What about Joe Scarborough advising Donald Trump… then and now?

  35. Jaana says:

    If they want to shield Barron from this mess I can understand. His delicate ears are not ready to be around trump supports. One of them yelled “Killed Obama” and the kid had a strong visible reaction to it. Everything about Trump being president sucks.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNlrCh8o-8w

    • robyn says:

      When I see Trump’s pampered kid I reflect on the poor and the children of war blooded with no parents. There can be no pity of this little prince of Trumps. Talk about “elite”. Such a con job that he is not the worst part of that so-called group.

      • jwoolman says:

        The child of a flaming narcissist is never a pampered child. Really. Check out stories from adults who endured a narcissistic parent. Money doesn’t make kids happy. The only person in my brother’s high school class who committed suicide was a child of wealthy parents. Don’t try to rank unhappiness and fear, you have no idea what any child has experienced behind closed doors.

      • Susannah says:

        Trump’s “pampered kid” is on the autism spectrum. More compassion than criticism needed here.

    • Melly says:

      Robyn, he’s just a kid. We can hate the parents but there’s no room for hating on their young child. He has no say in any of this.

      • robyn says:

        I appreciate how kind you are. But just to let you know I don’t hate the kid. I don’t hate anyone. But I do put his life in perspective. There are many children suffering in this wore torn world and few people have a single word to say on their behalf. This Trump kid might be a poor little rich boy but I seriously doubt it.

  36. Al says:

    On the subject of deflection… I would love to see more coverage of this revolting tidbit regarding the Trump U settlement:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/11/18/trump-gets-25-million-tax-write-off-for-trump-university-settlement/#3f0359395c6a

    That’s right… The $25 million settlement can be counted as a tax write off!!! Guess that makes him smart /s. I would love to see major media outlets cover this.

    Furthermore , the article contains information regarding legislation aimed at closing this loophole. We should all write/call our congressmen to demand their support of the bills.

    • isabelle says:

      WAPO reported yesterday media has egg on its face from being distracted by a Twitter rant over this real story. Hopefully they are waking up to his tricks.

    • lightpurple says:

      I want to see more coverage of the US District Court finding illegal gerrymandering in Wisconsin along more coverage of other voting fraud found in Wisconsin. The state had more votes for president than ballots actually cast.

  37. Ariel says:

    I don’t think it will help/change anything. But we need some recordings. Like what brought down Nixon- of course, he was recording himself.
    But we need all the racist to speak plain racist language, and trump to talk about how dumb the working class if for electing him, when he will screw them financially. And how many private deals he is doing in criminal violation of his pres duties.
    Of course, as he seems to have no understanding of freedom of the press- he can’t speak to that, only that when they tell unkind truths they are “mean” and “unfair” to him.

    I still want to die, preferably before they open any “camps” for immigrants, then what the new Nazi’s label “criminally inclined” black people, then other racial minorities, the disabled, gays, trans people, and eventually even jews. Wonder if Ivanka’s kids will be spared? Probably sent to a tropical destination while their friends from temple are stripped of their rights and eventually slaughtered.

    My trump voting boyfriend says camps will never happen. Sure, not this year or next.
    But in a decade? Can you really say it will never happen?

  38. Franny says:

    He’s treating the media like they’re his employees, because he really sees things this way. I’m nervous for our free press, but I also think he’s in for a rude awakening. He’ll probably try to treat Congress the same way. Good luck with that.

    • Kitten says:

      Seriously though. How can ANYBODY expect a man with this temperament to work effectively with Congress?

    • isabelle says:

      Think the newspapers especially are reporting much better than they have in years. Especially NYT and WAPO. He has done one thing, woke up sleeping journalists & news agencies from their Kardashian entertainment style reporting. New is news again in newspapers and in journalists circles. I can tell a big difference in my NYT subscription.

      • GreenieWeenie says:

        @isabelle, I have noticed this too! Newspaper coverage seems to have gotten better. International readers have to be driving a lot of interest too.

      • isabelle says:

        One story on a very biased Daily Kos isn’t enough evidence to say that NYT is false in their reporting. Daily Kos has been called out by liberals as not a crediable source. Would you say the Drudge or Breitbart are reliable & creditable sources… because Daily Kos is as they are, a news blog based on a bias. Journalists not finding evidence of a link doesn’t equate the story is false or they didn’t investigate. NYT sent out multiple teams of reporters to attack the Comey story. Before and after. NYT isn’t going to make up stuff to back their stories or listen to Pam that has all the insider gossip. When their reporters have been caught falsifying stories, it has consequences and NYT apologizes. That is what credible news sources do but we have forgotten what slow investigative journalism looks like.

  39. SusanneToo says:

    I posted this late yesterday-just in case you missed it:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

  40. GreenieWeenie says:

    The media was weakened by corporate interests long before political ones. If it falls, it falls on its own sword.

    But I wouldn’t write off American institutions yet. They are strong–much stronger than anywhere else. The three institutions of a liberal democracy are a free press, an independent judiciary, and popular franchise. The US has had all three (in relative terms) since its founding and the free press has been integral to American political life since it began.

    Moreover, the rule of law is exceptionally strong in the US. I’m not referring to the criminal justice system perpetuating the murder of black Americans; I mean even the highest office of the land is subject to the rule of law. Presidents can be impeached. I have never lived anywhere with a rule of law as strong as in the US. Europe is governed by bureaucracy. Canada has a strong rule of law but it governs a small populace, so it is not routinely tested. Neither China nor Russia and the like have any rule of law. I am not a believer in American exceptionalism but when you are comparing institutional strength across a set of countries that includes the United States, I can’t help but think one of these is not like the others.

    • Lightpurple says:

      Sadly, those who would do the impeaching have no problem with his policies and little regard for the rule of law, despite giving it lots of lip service. Ryan won’t move for impeachment until he gets everything he wants: a puppet judiciary, the destruction of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, and all major hospitals (yes, that is actually in his proposal), the elimination of educational standards, and the removal of all protections for workers and the environment.

      • Greenieweenie says:

        you mean to say the party that did not want him for a nominee is somehow unified behind him? I don’t think so.

        PS-I cannot stand Paul Ryan’s smug face. Cannot. On par with the Orange Troll.

      • M.A.F. says:

        Paul Ryan and the like can be recalled by the voters. Piss them off and it could happen.

      • lightpurple says:

        @M.A.F., two years until the next election to unseat them. So much damage can be done in that time.

    • Sixer says:

      While I agree that the US (and the UK, for that matter) has very strong institutions, Greenieweenie, I would seriously counsel against complacency. Few people see the beginning of a domino topple.

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2016/11/democracy-danger

      • Greenieweenie says:

        I think protest is deserved and owed. I am just not yet convinced that American institutions can be as readily hollowed out as Turkish or Russian ones (I read the analysis linked to in the post. I think it’s good and that it’s foolish to overlook possibilities, but I suspect American media will not simply come to heel because it has never operated that way in the US. It is one thing for an institution to revert to a former state. It is another for it to be completely redefined).

      • Sixer says:

        Absolutely US institutions are much more robust than Turkish or Russian ones. No question. I’m just saying don’t assume they are inviolable. Because they’re not.

  41. isabelle says:

    He is an idiot. Go ahead Donny, stab the people whom will be reporting on you for the next 4 years. Go ahead see how it works for you. When this guy breaks enough laws to be impeached and its a big possibility, he will be secretly wanting their support. What it actually boils dow to really, he is jealous & enraged because the media isn’t worshipping like his bootlicking cult members. He wants their worship and they have denied him. Someone should tell clown face, this isn’t how you stay in the White House.

  42. joannie says:

    Trump is an Autocrat! If I were an American I would be so angry with the people who didnt bother to vote instead of blaming white males. Blacks and Hispanics voted for this dolt as well. Stop the Racism. Youre all in this together. Just get rid of this fungus that you’ve inflicted on the rest of the world.

  43. PeachDaisy says:

    US tv news has been so disappointing, every time I think they couldn’t get worse and they do. Where do you guys get your news? What foreign newspapers, magazines or websites do you check?

  44. nicegirl says:

    This is terrifying. Violating the First Amendment is only the beginning. How can we stop this from happening to our world? I am asking because I truly have no idea.

    I am going to email the reporters listed that were in that journalist talking-to and urge them to report the truth behind that meeting.

  45. Dinah says:

    Louisa wrote “She is the same man.”
    That is all.

  46. TOPgirl says:

    It’s funny how Americans would make fun of North Korean’s fat piggy leader and now, we have one too. How ironic! LOL.

  47. Megan M says:

    I read about this petition here on Celebitchy.
    It could at least be a message that a lot of people don’t accept his behaviour.
    https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

  48. lightpurple says:

    Wisconsin – all sorts of fraud and US District Court for Western Wisconsin ruled districts were gerrymandered unconstitutionally. Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, and the Koch Brothers at work! Demand a Wisconsin recount!

  49. babs says:

    He’s right about CNN. Don’t forget that 90% of mainstream american news networks are owned by corporations, and corporations donate to campaigns and have vested interests in what America sees and hears. The only way to get true news is to go to the internet for alternative sources. CNN is one of the absolute worst I’ve heard and read. They green screen a ton of stuff and fake a lot of stuff. I was so shocked when I first learned of this years ago, but now I expect nothing less. Trump is dead right about the media,