Is there any doubt that Duchess Camilla will absolutely be called ‘Queen Consort’?

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There’s something amusing about the timing of this Town & Country piece about Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall. We’ve spent months hearing about the “feud” between Meghan and Kate and how Kate is doing everything perfectly because she’s “the future queen.” I’ve repeatedly asked “where is Camilla in this narrative?” Clearly, royal commentators believe that Queen Elizabeth isn’t going to be around in, say, five years. But that means that Charles and Camilla become king and queen before William and Kate. I mean, duh. But the way people go on and on about Will and Kate, you would think they’re the Prince and Princess of Wales. And if Charles lives to be as old as his mother, then he’ll be king for a good two or three decades.

Anyway, every so often – like, every six months? – some royal-friendly outlet publishes a very pro-Camilla article. This is a very conscious choice by Clarence House, and it’s part of two-decade-long campaign to make the British public accepting of Camilla in general, and Clarence House eventually hopes that people will accept her as Queen Consort. To be fair though, it does seem like people genuinely like Camilla. Which is the point of this Town & Country piece – that Camilla’s really likeable, that she works hard, that she’s very friendly and she cares. Oh, and she has loads of “secret visits” too, just like Kate and Meghan. Some highlights:

Camilla’s secret visits: The Duchess has also earned praise for being as effective outside the spotlight as she is when everyone is paying attention. “She does secret visits. She does things that get no publicity,” says Faulds Wood. Claire Severgnini, chief executive of the ROS, has had the same experience. Camilla goes “to meet the health professionals and the scientists and the academics behind the scenes” and “briefs herself,” she says.

The late-in-life change in Camilla: Camilla was 57 at the time of her marriage to the Prince of Wales, and had never really worked outside the home. Now 71, the Duchess is patron or president of more than 90 charities and carried out 219 engagements in 2018, including 70 during overseas tours. She and Charles have just returned from a 13-day tour taking in 50 engagements across 10 islands, including an historic visit to Cuba.

Let Camilla Be Camilla: “When she joined the royal family it was a very different situation to the one we see now,” says Rebecca English, the Daily Mail’s royal correspondent of 15 years. Pointing out that their team had to decide how to approach Camilla’s public image in her new role, English says, “They decided the way to do it wasn’t to ‘sell her’. They concluded that the best way to move things forward was to just let her be herself and let people see for themselves what she is actually really like. In just going out there and being herself she has turned her public image around from being one of the least popular royals to one of the most accepted.”

Rebecca English notes that Camilla likes journalists: “She actually likes journalists; she likes the company of journalists; she likes the gossip and the fun and the sense of humor,” English says. “She respects that you have a job to do and that sometimes you might write things that aren’t entirely comfortable for her or the family. But she doesn’t let that affect her day to day working relationship with you, which is professional and refreshing.”

Whether Camilla will be called Queen: In 2016, the Queen made Camilla a member of her most senior advisory body, the Privy Council. This move not only demonstrates the regard in which she holds her daughter in law but also, as Jobson points out, means that “she will be in the room” when he is proclaimed king. What her title will become in that moment has been the topic of much discussion. Clarence House announced when they married that the intention was for her to be called Princess Consort. Experts have since pointed out that she will legally become Queen Consort however she is styled. The general consensus is that she’s not hung up on these things but many believe that it matters to Charles. “When the time comes, I believe Prince Charles will want Queen Camilla by his side,” says Joe Little, managing editor of Majesty Magazine. Jobson agrees. “She will most definitely be Queen Consort, there’s absolutely no question about that,” he says.

[From Town & Country]

I’m sure there are many people out there who will never accept Queen Camilla, and it won’t make a bit of difference if she’s called Princess Consort or whatever. But I think in many ways the Clarence House long-view will be rewarded – they let people get to know Camilla, they let her actions and words speak for themselves, and clearly, Charles adores her. I think the majority of people will either be for a “Queen Camilla” or they won’t care one way or the other.

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  1. Lilly (with the double-L) says:

    No doubt. I think PC is pretty determined about it and I’ve grown fond of her always seeming to have a few G&Ts on board brand of joie de vivre. I am surprised the vitriolic comments from the British on IG about her and the never accept her types,, because of Diana. Time to forgive and they’re happy.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I really never had a problem with Camilla. I remember reading somewhere that the journalist who follow and move with the Royals really like her the best of all the Royals they have covered.

    • Tina says:

      I don’t know who “the British on IG” are, but most people in the UK have well and truly moved on. Camilla will be Queen Consort, no doubt.

  2. Lightpurple says:

    I read that as Queen Corset.

    I want to have drinks with the Queen Corset.

    • Erinn says:

      Me TOO!
      I want to have drinks and hang out with dogs and horses with her.

    • snappyfish says:

      She will be styled HRH Queen Camilla possibly even HM Queen Camilla just like the Queen Mother was Queen Elizabeth before becoming the QM. Just as every other wife of a King has throughout British History. She IS the Princess of Wales but out of deference to Diana they used the Duchess of Cornwall. Which is also the reason The Duchesses of Cambridge and Sussex are styled that as well. When she becomes Queen the duchess of Cambridge will become the Princess of Wales upon William’s investiture & I’m guessing the Duchess of Sussex will remain as such. Yet I believe her children will be given HRH status (I think they will at birth but that is IMO)

      • Becks1 says:

        Yes, Harry and Meghan are Duke and Duchess of Sussex forever now.

      • Tina says:

        Camilla is presently HRH Duchess of Cornwall (and technically HRH Princess of Wales). When she becomes Queen Consort she will be HM Queen Camilla. Kate and Meghan are both already HRH, HRH The Duchess of Cambridge and HRH The Duchess of Sussex respectively.

        I hope people will understand that it will not be a slight on Meghan if her and Harry’s child is not styled as HRH Prince or Princess at birth. In this modern era, it is much more appropriate for the children of branches that are not directly in line for the throne (York, Wessex etc) to be styled as Viscount/Lady than HRH Prince or Princess.

    • Eleonor says:

      Camilla is one of mine “celebrity I would love to have a drink”. I bet she must be fun.

  3. Ali says:

    I think she’d make an excellent Queen consort or whatever. She’s appears friendly and elegant and dedicated to Charles and the work they do.

  4. JB says:

    I was such a huge fan of Diana (I watched her wedding here in the US at 2am when I was 7), and I absolutely loathed Camilla for years. But I have come around…I actually think she’s quite charming! And her stylists are great. Her evening wear always seems to be on point.

  5. Lucia says:

    At this point, I’m 100% okay with Queen Consort Camilla. I think she’ll be a trip as Queen. She’s the one member of the royal family that I think would be a blast to hang out with. I want to ply her full of Irish or Canadian whiskey and have her spill the beans on the royal family dirt. Then I want us to drunkenly play pranks on grey men. Lol.

    Long live our Boozy Queen! Lol.

    All joking aside, I think she’s more Queen material than Diana ever was. I don’t like being disrespectful of the dead but the more I’ve learned about Diana over the years, the less I like her but I also believe Clarence House may be behind some of that as well. They’ve really gone out of their way to show just how awful Diana could be whether it is true or not.

    But it makes no difference if Camilla is queen or not anymore. Charles was an idiot for not getting Camilla away from Andrew Parker Bowles in the first place. But he did nothing that countless of others have done. It shouldn’t prevent him from getting the crown or Camilla being queen consort now. They are far from Edward and Wallis.

    • JadedBrit says:

      @Lucia Personally, I don’t understand the human compulsion to speak well of the dead, to sanctify them so that they are beyond censure. Without going full-on Godwin, there are many people who are canonised in life and over whom many hysterical tears of devotion are shed, who are/were absolute monsters. Jimmy Saville, for one. Monster. In the case of Diana – phenomenally flawed and deeply calculating individual who endangered one child prenatally in a bid for attention, and messed her sons up with that gruesome Panorama interview. Friends who knew them at Eton said they stayed in their rooms for a week, refusing to talk to anyone. (I know it’s a terrible double standard, but when a mother makes such revelations… It has a terrible mental effect on sons. And yes, Charles was no better. But.) I hope my tombstone will read “at least she tried to do the right thing” : I wouldn’t want a hagiography, because it would erase the essence of me.
      I think Camilla will be a good QC. She did a local visit this past year, and she was wonderfully down to earth, infectiously funny, uncaring about appearance and camera angles and the like. We need a good dose of no-nonsense realism from the RF, sans drama.

      • Lucia says:

        I agree but you know there are those who still love her and will be out for my blood for saying she was anything other than wonderful. But I 100% agree with you. It is said she had Borderline Personality Disorder. I can’t imagine it was easy for Charles, William, Harry or the courtiers to live with her. For me, it’s a little personal because my biological mother also had borderline personality disorder. Thank the lucky stars for my “true” parents (my biological aunt and uncle) or I don’t know how my sister and I would’ve made it.

      • snappyfish says:

        @jadebrit. This. I’m glad I’m not the only one who remembers. There is the old saying the longer someone has been dead the more saintly they become. Diana did some great things with landmine awareness. She did some awful things too. She knew people wanted the fairytale and she used that to her advantage.

        Charles & Camilla are well matched. He and Diana were not. I think it was nice they became friendly toward the end when the pressure was off & each was more relaxed & could dote on their boys.

      • Ader says:

        “there are many people who are canonised in life and over whom many hysterical tears of devotion are shed, who are/were absolute monsters.”

        Like Mother Teresa .

      • CairinaCat says:

        Ader: Yes Mother Teresa was not a good person, she was pretty horrific. She is a good example of someone who has been white washed by history.

      • Tina says:

        @JadedBrit, very well put. This is precisely why royal engagements, in person, are important.

    • Monicack says:

      Getting her away from Andrew? Seriously? Camilla and everyone else in that set was mad for him, including Princess Anne. Charles was in love with Kanga not Camilla. Even Diana knew that. Camilla was more Waity than Kate ever was. PR spin post-Diana has a lot of you fooled.

      Cam was the last one standing. She and Chuck are best friends, confidantes and lifelong partners. Their affection and respect runs deep and true and they are fortunate to have one another. She will make an excellent QC. But star-crossed lovers? No. They don’t even live together. *shrug*

      • Yvette says:

        @Monicack, I don’t remember anyone named Kanga. What I remember is that Charles wasn’t allowed by his father to marry any of the girls he had dated (sleep with) and was told he had to marry a virgin. Don’t you guys remember the doctor’s report that Diana was ‘intact’ shortly after their engagement? At any rate, he wouldn’t have been allowed to marry Camilla because she had a reputation. Evidently, Camilla really liked sex. 🙂

        Charles and Camilla began their affair a decade before he married Diana. Camilla was with Andrew Parker-Bowles at the time, but Parker-Bowles was deployed somewhere. Then after a while Charles, who was still active in the Navy, was deployed. Parker-Bowles came home while Charles was deployed and Camilla married him.

        I believe it was always Camilla for Charles. It was just one of those wrong timing things between them. it’s said that their affair re-ignited within 2-years of Charles’s marriage to Diana, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn in one of their memoirs one day that their affair had been on going during the decade after she married Parker-Bowles and before he married Diana.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I am not 100% convinced that Camilla wanted taken away from Andrew Parker-Bowles.

      • Lucia says:

        I only say that because Andrew Parker Bowles turned out to be such a skirt chaser after marriage and their marriage was just as dysfunctional as Charles and Diana’s. I can’t blame Camilla on her divorce. That said, Charles isn’t that much better insofar of his treatment of Diana. But I do think Charles and Camilla are a much better match. It’s just sad Diana got put in the middle.

        Camilla only waited because Philip and Her Majesty hated her and were pissed Charles put The Crown in this situation. Her waiting is far more understandable than Kate’s although I think there’s nothing wrong with waiting to marry.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Lucia, I meant before she married Andrew Parker-Bowles not after all the mess.

    • Tigerlily says:

      Lucia, those were different times & Camilla was not marriage material for Prince Charles even before she married Andrew Parker Bowles. And back then, being a virgin was mandatory. So whether the Queen & Prince Philip liked her or not, she wasnt’ in the running.

      • Lucia says:

        I forgot all about that silly requirement. I think though that had Charles pushed harder, he could have gotten to marry Camilla right off.

  6. EM says:

    I don’t care whether Camilla is Queen or stays a Duchess. Just don’t call her “Princess.” That’s for Diana.

    • Feeshalori says:

      No, Diana doesn’t own the title of princess or Princess of Wales. That’s Camilla’s right by marriage and people should have gotten used to it by now and moved on. She has every right to use the POW title, but people’s sensitivities would have been shattered. This continual tiptoeing around Diana’s memory is exhausting. And when Charles becomes king, it is Camilla’s right to be QC. There’s a very apt saying, “Stick a fork in it, it’s done.”

      • KidV says:

        What if Diana had not died and continued to be Diana, Princess of Wales? Keeping that title was part of her divorce settlement. I’m assuming Camilla would still be Duchess of Cornwall. But to further that, if Diana were still alive and the Queen died, what title would Kate use? Would she be stuck with Duchess of Cambridge until Diana died?

        I’m beginning to think Chuck and the Queen didn’t think this through when they let her keep the title. LOL

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Diana would be: Diana, Dowager Princess of Wales.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Kate would become the Princess of Wales once William received the POW title. She bears it by right of marriage and would not be known as her previous Duchess title. If she were still alive Diana would continue to be Diana, Princess of Wales while Kate would be The Princess of Wales. There is that difference when the Christian name is used and the use of “The” preceding the title which delineates particular status, but it still lends to confusion if you have two living Princess of Wales. Diana would only be a dowager as widow to Charles if he died in title as POW if they were still married. Actually Camilla would technically be the dowager Princess of Wales since she’d be C’s widow.

      • Nic919 says:

        When the Queen passes William only automatically becomes Duke of Cornwall and so for a time they will be the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge. The title of Prince of Wales is something the monarch has to award. George V and his wife Mary were the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and York for a period of time before he was made Prince of Wales.

        But yes the spouse gets her husband’s title automatically whatever it may be.

    • Surly Gale says:

      But what about Kate?? She will legitimately be Princess of Wales when the Queen passes…are you saying she cannot because that’s for Diana???

      • EM says:

        Of course Kate can be Princess of Wales. I actually really like Camilla, I just don’t want her styled as a Princess. She got Charles, she doesn’t get that.

      • Feeshalori says:

        She’ll get her princess title if legislation is passed that all wives of the monarchs in future will be styled as princess consort. And that includes Kate. If not, Camilla will be queen consort. How male consorts of female queen regnants will be styled remains to be seen. But Camilla will get a new upgraded title and it won’t be Duchess of Cornwall.

      • olive says:

        @EM she DOES get the princess title just by virtue of being married to Charles. that’s how it works. she just doesn’t use it currently but she could.

  7. Citresse says:

    No matter how likeable by her friends or journalists, Camilla is not liked by at least half of British taxpayers with knowledge of the Diana&Charles mess. I think Camilla, if the time comes, will be known as Princess consort. But if Charles gets his way, he’ll have to put up with ongoing hostility. His choice I suppose.

    • Kittycat says:

      I hate even thinking about Queen Elizabeth dying but when she does it will be King Charles and Queen Consort Camilla.

    • Tina says:

      When the Queen dies, there will be so many crazy things going on (God Save the King, days of official mourning, lying in state) that the notion of Queen Camilla will completely pass most people by. Anyone who really cared is by definition over 40 already, and the Queen might live for another 10 years. And most people in the UK have definitely moved on.

      • Citresse says:

        I don’t think most people in UK have moved on. The Monarchy itself is always a source of controversy and debate.
        There is acceptance from some, but certainly not all or majority.

      • Tina says:

        I really don’t think most people here care at all about the royals. Whether Camilla becomes Queen or not is not something on most people’s radar.

  8. Casey20 says:

    She will be Queen Consort… We all hold some resentment toward Camilla because of Diana and the 3rd person in the marriage from the beginning, however she’s married to him thus the title. I wonder if PW will dump Kate in the future and marry one of his conquest that wasn’t interested during the waity years? !like father like son…it may happen (A-hole behavior)

    • Lucia says:

      What I find most ironic is that there’s a lot of rumors that William HATES Charles and that they don’t get on. Yet they’re the exact same person.

    • Kittycat says:

      I really feel bad for Diana.

      Never should have married Charles and never saw her children grow up.

      • Erinn says:

        I mean, it’s sad. But it’s mostly sad for the boys. She should have been wearing a seat belt, and choosing not to was a fatal decision. She only had a few broken bones, but the tear in her vein is what killed her. Even if you take away the fact that Dodi tried to evade the press, the driver had been drinking and driving erratically – two poor choices – she still made the choice not to wear the belt. Had she worn it, she’d more than likely lived to see her sons grow up.

      • CairinaCat says:

        The guy that did the coroners report was interviewed and said had she been wearing a seat belt her injuries weren’t fatal. It would have been painful and sucked and she would have had a significant recovery period but he said she would have been up walking eventually.

    • Jamie says:

      I don’t hold any resentment toward Camilla. None whatsoever. Charles made the decision to marry Diana, not Camilla. Charles made the decision to cheat on Diana, not Camilla. Diana made the decision to go public with the problems in her marriage, to the detriment of everyone involved (including her young children), not Camilla.

  9. Katherine says:

    I adore Camilla. I think the reaction some have that she broke up Saint Diana’s perfect marriage and must always be passive aggressively punished through titles is a bit juvenile. Three people (all with strong personalities) contributed to the failing of that marriage. And what contributed more was an extremely complicated situation with the external pressure they were facing. Both Charles and Diana describe going into their own wedding acutely aware and apprehensive of the pressure. They were essentially pressured to get married, and then pressured to make it work in fish bowl. I’ve always thought it’s a bit more complicated than a basic cheating story. And I says this as someone who’s first marriage ended through infidelity on his part. So I get the anger and pain. But their specific situation was almost unsustainable from the get go. Yes it’s sad. But it’s not all on Camilla’s shoulders either.

    Present day I think she’s a delight. She is that ideal self assured older woman who clearly is a bit no-nonsense on the one hand and whimsical day drinker on the other. I think she looks fantastic. I think she carries herself well. I think she has done sensitive work in rape crisis centers, very much too her credit.

    She will be a good Queen Consort. She loves and supports Charles. I think even he’s had a bit of a renaissance since their marriage. His image still has fits and starts but he’s also had some very good press in recent years.

    • Becks1 says:

      Yes, her work with rape victims and domestic violence victims should be commended. I was reading on their Caribbean tour (and on all their tours), that Camilla always visits a DV shelter or support group when they are on tour – I think it said every country, but that could be wrong – and its not always publicized. I loved hearing that.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Yes and it NEVER gets the media attention it deserves, she also does a lot for osteoporosis and FGM (which she does not get enough credit for).

    • Monicack says:

      I agree for the most part. I don’t deify diana or villify Camilla but let’s not rewrite history shall we? When your marriage isn’t enough reason to stop seeing your mistress I think it’s safe to say the blame can not be evenly divided into three parts.

      • MrsBanjo says:

        Diana wasn’t only sleeping with Charles either. Her deification has lead to her own history being whitewashed regardless of Charles’ bad behaviour.

      • Monicack says:

        We’re not talking about the further destruction of their marriage so Diana’s infidelity is irrelevant here. The marriage never got a chance to even remotely succeed because Charles and Camilla never broke off the affair. You can’t blame a 19 year old for that whatever else her later sins.

      • (THE OG)@Jan90067 says:

        Diana didn’t start out having affairs. Where do you get this?? She had an affair after Harry was about 2 yrs. old (with Hewitt). Before that, it was all on Charles (and Camilla) and HIS wandering willy.

    • Kittycat says:

      @KATHERINE

      Great comment.

      I wish I could have articulated that myself.

      Looking back at videos of Charles and Diana it’s really sad.

  10. Digital Unicorn says:

    I like Camilla, she will be a good Queen Consort. There are still so many people who cling to the Saint Diana narrative its quite sad really – Diana was human and made mistakes like the rest of us but don’t deify her.

  11. wendywoo says:

    I love Camilla. Why? Because she’s the before picture of what the Royal Family was and Meghan is the after picture and both- eventually- got their prince.

    Camilla had all the breeding and upbringing for a royal match but was a divorcee and so she, Charles and, most tragically and unfairly, Diana paid the price.

    Camilla and Meghan are proof that the former solely middle-class value of marrying for love has been accepted as a right of the Royal family and I applaud it.

    Also, it’s a great love story; love did conquer all. Long may she reign.

    • Monicack says:

      Elizabeth married for love. Her parents married for love. Andrew, Anne and Edward married for love. William, Zara, Peter and Eugenie married middle classers. How did Meghan and Camilla end up as proof of that?

      • Molly says:

        None of the people you listed have be married before. Charles was the first to keep his title and marry someone who had been divorced. (And only on the second round.) Harry was the first to marry a divorcee straight away and it not be a total scandal.

      • wendywoo says:

        See: Edward VIII and Princess Anne.

        …Bizarre seeing as the CofE was brought about to facilitate a divorce.

  12. Becks1 says:

    I love Camilla. Should she have slept with Charles when he was married? Of course not. Should Charles have slept with her when he was married? Of course not. Should Diana have cheated? again, of course not.

    But it happened, poor choices all around, etc. by all accounts the only two whose opinion actually matters here, as far as I’m concerned – William and harry – accept her as their stepmother and seem to get along well with her. (I say their opinion matters in terms of who accepts her, not necessarily their opinion of their parents marriage, if that makes sense.)

    I’m not trying to make light of infidelity. But to the extent that Camilla should be punished for decades for being “the other woman” is pretty ludicrous. Of course she can and should be Queen Consort.

    • Monicack says:

      Well said.

    • Ardnamurchan says:

      ‘Should Diana have cheated? Of course not.’
      How did Diana cheat?
      Charles abandoned her straight after Harry was born and returned to Camilla.
      He had his heir and spare. He didn’t need to sleep with Diana any more, so he didn’t. By every account, Diana was devastated.
      What was a 24year old woman supposed to do?
      Live like a nun for the rest of her married life?
      It was another two years before she began her affair with James Hewitt and by all accounts Charles was more than happy to know she had found someone.

      Views on this famous marriage run the gamut but the “Diana cheated’ narrative is perhaps the most unfair of all.

      • Becks1 says:

        But, she still cheated. She may have had valid reasons, but she still cheated.

      • Nikki says:

        Diana went after married men. She called one man more than 100 times in a single day; there were phone records to prove it and the man’s wife was pissed. Diana was not a saint! She did great things, but could also be very spiteful. She purposely started a rumor that Tiggy Whatever had had a miscarriage, implying it had been Charles’s baby. She said, “Sorry about the baby…” at a party.

  13. KidV says:

    I remember when the news announced Diana had died, I was so shocked and the first thing out of my mouth was “they cleared the way for Camilla to be Queen”. My husband looked at me like “what the hell are you talking about”. He had/has no idea who any royals are. But it all seemed clear to me that was the plan. I should also mention I was a bit drunk at the time. LOL

    I like Camilla, I have no problem with her being Queen, but I’m American so it doesn’t matter what I think. I do wonder what would have happened had Diana lived.

    • Lucia says:

      Diana would have retired to South Africa not too long after. She would have gotten the boys for a few weeks and made the occasional appearance for a cause she loved but I think she would not be as loved today as she since she’s been gone.

      • KidV says:

        But would the people have been so forgiving of Camilla if Diana, Princess of Wales, was still in everyone’s vision. Would Charles have married Camilla? The way this has all played out, it couldn’t have worked out any better for Charles and Camilla.

        It’s just curiosity on my part, the “what ifs”.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        IMHO, If Diana was still alive, Charles & Camilla would not be married.

      • Lucia says:

        Honestly, Kidv, I think they would have been more forgiving had Diana lived and moved on. I think the relationship would have been less frosty over the years as the boys had grown and had Diana remarried.

        I disagree Bay, I think once Diana had remarried, I think Charles would’ve been allowed to as well. Now I do think it would have had more implications for the crown and I can see there may have been more of an effort to bypass Charles for William.

      • Becks1 says:

        I can see it going either way. I can see Diana living – her very presence -being a roadblock to Charles and Camilla marrying. I can also see that had she lived, some of the glow would have come off her halo, and she would not be perceived quite as highly as many perceive her now. I can also see if Diana had moved on with her life (as she seemed to be trying to do) and forged a new and happy path, people would not have begrudged Charles doing the same.

        I think part of the reason some people still dislike Camilla is just that she is alive and Diana isn’t.

  14. Monicack says:

    Even Elsa eventually let it go. Queen Consort has a nice ring to it.

  15. Molly says:

    I love the idea of Camilla being Queen Consort. She’s certainly earned it.

  16. duchess of hazard says:

    Camilla works, and is mature and savvy enough to get the journalists on side. Honestly, I have less a problem with her than Willnot and Katie Doolittle, tbh.

  17. FluffyPrincess says:

    I think Camilla looks like a hoot to hang out with!

    Plus, on an extremely shallow note, I like that she is not afraid to break out the big diamonds and jewels! I know the RF tries to be all, “oooh that’s tacky” for day events and it’s a little brooch here and there, but I like that Camilla is like, “The giant diamond necklace? Do bring it here!”
    And I don’t mean that she is greedy or showy or gives herself airs and that’s why she wears it — I think she likes a bit of shine. has access to the good stuff, and takes advantage of it–and I appreciate her for it!

    • Becks1 says:

      I love Camilla and her bling. Its so fun to see. If the royals are going to have millions and millions in jewelry, at least bring it out of the vaults for us to see.

      • FluffyPrincess says:

        Right?? LET ME SEE THE GOOD STUFF! I hope when she’s Queen Consort that she starts breaking out pieces that have been hidden for decades. . .!

      • CairinaCat says:

        I bet and I’m hoping she does bring out a whole bunch of stuff we haven’t seen!

  18. PrincessK says:

    Well, many years have passed and people do have to move on. But Diana was very young when she got married, and the older Camilla and Charles played a very nasty game on her. Camilla should have told Charles to get lost. I believe that Charles was the only man she really loved, and it ate her up that Charles couldn’t adore her. History really does seem to be repeating itself because by all accounts Kate is still deeply in love with William and adores him.

    • Tina says:

      Do you mean Diana? Because by all accounts, she really loved Hasnat Khan.

      • PrincessK says:

        Yes, she would have married Dr Khan maybe if he agreed but l still think that Diana was using him and Dodi to get back at the RF….you know mixed race siblings of the heir to the throne etc etc. ( Diana would be loving the way that Meghan and Doria are ensconced within the Windsor Castle estate). But actually l think she really just wanted Charles to love her and she hinted her strong affection for him after the divorce. Also if she really couldn’t care about Charles she would never have gone to all the bother with the book and TV interview, he really hurt her. People you love are the ones that really hurt you deeply.

      • Tina says:

        Oh I agree that Diana loved Charles deeply, and you love most deeply when you’re young. But I think that Charles loved Diana too, in his own way (Alex Jennings portrayed this beautifully in The Queen, and I can’t wait to see what Tobias Menzies does with it in The Crown). And I think Diana really loved Dr Khan. Much more than Dodi, who was a fling by all accounts.

      • Lucia says:

        @PrincessK

        No offense but I think you’re marginalizing the importance of Hasnat Khan. This is the one time I believe Paul Burrell is telling the truth: His stories regarding her relationship with Dr. Khan.

        I think Diana was far more in love with Dr. Khan than she ever was with Charles – or at least she thought she was. By all accounts, the only real reasons the relationship fell apart was because 1) Diana became far more possessive of him than he was comfortable with. 2) He was incredibly adverse to the media attention that surrounded her and wanted to remain private and not flaunt their relationship in public. It is also thought that Diana had begged for them to live in Pakistan or South Africa. Dr. Khan was happy living in London and his position with The Royal Hospital which I believe he still holds today.

        By most of these same accounts, many admit that her relationship with Dodi Al-Fayed was merely intended to make Dr. Khan jealous. Her early pictures with Dodi Al-Fayed were very calculated as she knew Dr. Khan liked to get a copy of The Telegraph and The Time each morning. It’s been said even “close friends” of Diana believed they would eventually get back together once her relationship with Dodi had fizzled. I like to believe that she would have eventually married Dr. Khan and found some happiness and peace.

      • KidV says:

        @Lucia – I had also read that one of the reasons they broke up is because Dr Khan’s mother hated Diana. Assuming all of this is true and I’m remembering correctly, the first time they met Diana was decked out in Pakistani dress trying to make a good impression, instead it did the opposite.

        But I agree, I think Dr Khan was the love of her life.

  19. Kylie says:

    I mean she probably will be Queen Consort. I have wondered if Camilla has dealt with illness recently though, she doesn’t seem like herself.

  20. Original T.C. says:

    Unpopular truth, I think Camilla being an older, more plain and more plump looking, woman made her acceptable to many, especially women. Had she been a younger, prettier woman, the hate would still be strong (see Angelina Jolie). IMO though whomever Charles has married should get the Queen consort title as they are due.

    Mean-girling the other woman has not stopped infidelity ever. Why not question if he should be called King since he was the married man who made legal promises. But no we can’t switch the script and punish the man since men are apparently in short supply!

    • Molly says:

      Totally agree with your unpopular truth.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Of course he will be king. Henry VIII founded the CoE in order to divorce his wife. 40 percent of marriages in the UK end in divorce. The Archbishop of Canterbury was the one urging Charles and Camilla to marry.

      • Lucia says:

        Let’s not forget why the Archbishop encouraged it. With Diana dead, Charles had no living wife. That’s the big difference between Charles and Camilla vs Edward and Wallis. Because Camilla has a living spouse is why Charles and Camilla could not get married at Westminster.

  21. notasugarhere says:

    If Camilla is Princess Consort, Kate should also be (if William makes it to the throne). It would be a gender-equal statement, but it would need to be stated in law. King and Princess Consort, Queen and Prince Consort. Or King and Prince Consort, Queen and Princess Consort, depending upon whom an heir marries in the future.

    • Kylie says:

      Not necessarily. It would depend on how the law was written. In Belgium when Leopold III remarried, it was with the declaration that his second wife would be titled Princess and not Queen. After he abdicated his daughter in law became Queen. And the same became true for the consorts that followed.

      • Becks1 says:

        But that’s literally why she says “it would need to be stated in law.” Nota is suggesting that the law be changed (if people feel that strongly about Camilla not being Queen Consort.)

      • BayTampaBay says:

        IMHO, Camilla will be Queen Consort for the simple reason that she really does not care if she is a Queen or a Princess or a Duchess. I am sure she would rather just be Camilla, Mrs. Charles Mountbatten-Windsor. Camilla does not strike me as someone interested in a title. Giver her one and she will take it but if the country is happier with her having no title or a lesser title, Fine. She really could not care less.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They changed the system 6 years ago to remove male primogeniture in the UK monarchy. They should also have changed the system so Queen is equal to King in rank. If they start off with Camilla being Princess Consort, it needs to follow that all future wives of the monarch would also be Princess Consort.

      • Kylie says:

        They only partially changed the system. They did not make it so a female heir apparent could become Duchess of Cornwall in her own right, the same way a male heir apparent like Charles became the Duke of Cornwall when his mother became Queen. And they won’t probably won’t change anything until they have to.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The Board of the Duchy refused to approve the changes, even though Charles pushed for them. Point stands about Queen and Prince Consort, King and Princess Consort. They also pushed for it in the Netherlands, but the people pushed back so Maxima ended up as Queen Consort.

  22. Enough S Enough says:

    I’ve always liked her. She’s 100% no games and no b.s., she knows who she is, doesn’t power trip and they clearly adore each other.

    • Carrie says:

      Maybe now she seems that way, but Camilla was full on games and gaslighting and projecting her negative traits onto Diana. That’s why some people don’t care for Camilla still today. That’s why Diana did the secret tv interview, to force them to let her out of the marriage or make Charles drop Camilla. They were abusing Diana and she had no life to live while trapped in the situation.

      Diana aside, Camilla was a cruel false friend to her and Charles was in on that. That speaks to character; she only hides it better now because she doesn’t need to scheme anymore, but it’s there. Once the Queen is gone, the royals won’t matter much to me. The rest of them are a soap opera and not worth royal titles, except Harry and Meghan by extension I think. And Anne.

  23. paddingtonjr says:

    People will be debating the “War of the Waleses” and related issues long after Prince George’s reign. I liked Diana and got up early to watch both her wedding and funereal, but she wasn’t a saint. She was a beautiful, flawed human being who, in my opinion, was better-suited to being a glamorous princess-celebrity than future queen. I think Camilla will be a good Queen Consort (whatever her title), but would not have been a good choice as King Mother or first wife, even if she and Charles had been able to marry. I think they both had to get to the right place and live different lives for a while. But now I think they are in the perfect place for each other: Camilla seems to be one of the few people with whom Charles can truly be himself and not be “POW.”

    Camilla takes her role seriously but seems to have fun with it and doesn’t try to be more upper-crust or play down her background. She is who she is, just in a different place in her life. I think it will be interesting to see how she approaches her role as Queen Consort and, yes, I think she should have that title.

  24. Nlopez says:

    Big Diana fan here. Would Diana have lost her title if she remarried?

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Yes she would have, she would also have lost it if Charles remarried.

      • Ardnamurchan says:

        No, she wouldn’t have lost it if Charles remarried.
        It was part of her divorce settlement, being styled Diana, Princess of Wales.
        Charles’s wife’s title is The Princess of Wales.

      • notasugarhere says:

        From a NYTimes article at the time of the divorce

        “It is not clear what would happen if Diana were to remarry, but experts on the royal family believe that she would probably have to relinquish many benefits of the divorce agreement, like her home, the financing of her office and possibly the title “Princess of Wales.”

        No info about what would happen if Charles was the one to remarry.

  25. Nic919 says:

    If Henry VIII can have all his six wives named Queen Consort then there is no reason for Camilla not to be called the same. She is the spouse of the Prince of Wales and when he is king she will be queen. Otherwise officially change it so that all future spouses of kings are princess consort.

  26. Deeanna says:

    Some years back SNL did a hilarious sketch called “Kate Middleton meets the real Royal Family”
    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/visiting-the-queen/n12944

    Sometimes I get the feeling this might apply to Camilla to a certain extent as well. Surely she must have been rolling her eyes when, as a married mother of two – with a boyfriend who wanted to be her tampon – she found herself in the position of assisting the dilly-dallying Charles in finding an acceptable virgin to marry.

    I’ve read numerous books about Diana, Charles, Camilla, and the royal marriage. None of them indicated that Camilla did not want Charles to marry Diana. They seemed to indicate she was happy enough to remain in her marriage to husband Andrew along with being Charles’ “special friend”. It seemed they all just wanted Diana to shut up and quit making a fuss. As it had been with a long, long succession of British kings.

    I agree it is a real tragedy that Diana did not buckle up her seat belt that night. Why in God’s name didn’t she do so, I wonder? Surely when that crazy driver started going 90 mph she and Dodi were getting thrown around in the back of that car! Even then, like the bodyguard, she could have buckle up her seat belt.

    Last but not least: There has NEVER been any explanation as to why the driver’s blood carbon monoxide level was 3 times normal at autopsy. They even went back and retested his blood and it came out the same. I’ve read numerous medical articles about this over the years and NO ONE has ever come up with an explanation for this

    Yes, it is known the driver was a smoker and that smokers will have a higher carbon monoxide level than non-smokers. And there is a certain small amount of carbon monoxide that the body can produce during the post-mortem period. But neither of these would explain the unusually high level found in the driver’s blood.

    It’s a mystery.

    As for Camilla’s future title, it will undoubtedly be whatever Charles wants it to be.

    • Lucia says:

      In fairness to the seatbelt issue, when I think about it when I’m in the back of a taxi cab or sometimes even a Lyft or Uber, I don’t always wear my seatbelt either. The comments here reminded me why I should. So I can see why Diana didn’t wear a seatbelt.

  27. Jane says:

    Also a question of whether Charles will be King Charles III or some other wanky adopted name. Kings change their names like popes do, so it might not be Queen Camilla everyone’s talking about, it might be King Albert, or King Harold, or King James.