Duchess Meghan ‘will likely never return to Britain to live in a meaningful way’

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The amount of pearl-clutching from the British tabloids over Sussexit is still a sight to behold. After smearing her for years, nitpicking her like crazy and positioning every subject, event and charitable act so she could never win, the tabloids are now SHOCKED that Meghan doesn’t want any part of them or of Cruel Britannia. Not only can peeps not believe that Meghan does not even give a f–k about British citizenship, now it looks like Meghan might not come back to Britain for the foreseeable future, not even to pack up Frogmore Cottage. The Sussexes are even having their Frogmore staffers reassigned!

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s staff at Frogmore Cottage are being ‘let go’, in the surest sign yet the couple will settle in Canada, sources revealed yesterday. At least two permanent employees – a house manager and a cleaner – are being moved to other duties within the Queen’s household. Other members of staff who are used on an ad hoc basis, such as chefs, maids and footmen, have been told their services are no longer required at the couple’s Windsor residence. Sources said Harry and Meghan operated Frogmore, on the Queen’s Windsor estate, with a ‘skeleton staff’ and no-one was being made redundant. But it is understood the employees are having to switch jobs as a ‘knock-on effect’ of the couple’s decision to relocate to North America for at least part of the year.

The revelation will fuel speculation among palace officials that the Duchess of Sussex, in particular, will never return to Britain to live in a ‘meaningful’ way. A plan is likely to be announced within days. But staff are already being told to expect changes, and the Sussexes’ two live-in employees at Frogmore, who stay at the property all year round, have been told they are no longer needed.

A source said: ‘The workers are already being offered other roles at Buckingham Palace. There is a skeleton staff there all the time, consisting of one cleaner and a house manager. Others work as and when needed. This has all come as a bit of shock. They took great pride in working for them and being at Frogmore.’

Several royal sources have told the Daily Mail that regardless of the proposal that is being thrashed out behind closed doors to secure an ‘exit package’ for herself and Harry, they do not believe Meghan will ever return to the UK for any lengthy period of time.

‘Outside of anything that is being decided between the private offices [the nerve centres of royal operations] and the British and Canadian governments this week, no-one here believes that the duchess will ever really return to the UK in a meaningful way,’ one said. Palace uncertainty has been fuelled by the couple’s decision not to bring their eight-month-old son, Archie, back to the UK to spend time with his British relatives – including his great-grandmother the Queen, and his young cousins George, Charlotte and Louis, who he has not seen since at least last autumn.

[From The Daily Mail]

Abusers Can’t Believe Their Favorite Victim Won’t Stick Around, that’s what the headline could have been. Maybe it’s just starting to sink in with the British press that they massively overplayed their hand, you know? That being said, you know I don’t believe that the press did this all on their own. In fact, I believe that the British media felt like they were given the nod (explicitly and implicitly) to declare open season on Meghan and Harry by the royal family and those salty courtiers. This isn’t a story about the media alone failing, it’s a larger story about the toxicity in the royal family and the British establishment. And Meghan said “bye, you’ll never see me or my baby again.”

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  1. Ellie66 says:

    Good for them! Run fast and far away.

    • Yup, Me says:

      Right?!

      She said “I’m out. You lot can kiss my whole ENTIRE ass.”

      • Lilly (with the double-L) says:

        Thanks for the laugh @Yup, Me and YES @Ellie66. I want to see the article about how happy the staff are who get their precious parking spaces back and had to face the trauma of losing them with no notice by the terrible couple. LOL

      • Hotsauceinmybag says:

        @Yup LMFAO that’s right she went **deuces**

      • Adrianna says:

        I read some of the awful racist comments from the press and the public in the U.K. They were unbelievably awful, and then they even wrote vile things about darling little Archie. If it was me, I’d never set foot on UK soil again. The only thing about settling in Canada is that they need to pay their own security costs. We’re already taxed to the skies and have to support people we didn’t invite here, an added tax burden.

      • Reece says:

        LMFAO
        I hope this is comment of the week.

    • M says:

      I was all for them for years (and will remain very against the obvious abuse they suffered), however with them expecting Canada to foot their security bill? We didn’t invite you, and we are running a massive deficit. Our country is better off to pay my student loans so I can finish my ten years of becoming a psychologist, than we are paying their security. Tax payer funding is not equated with being private citizens. Yes, they will need protection, and much like every other celebrity they can cover their costs.

      I was very pro-Sussex until this. Go on and happily live your life, but allow your country to foot the bill or manage it yourself. They lost my support on this. England has free prescriptions for all children – Canada does not. England has a royal family, Canada does not. Come if you’d like but don’t cost me money. I’m starting to see the whole “have your cake and eat it too” argument.

      • GuestWho says:

        Can you point me to a quote that says they are expecting you to foot the bill? I get the anxiety, but I’m not certain that that is their goal.

      • Shirleygailgal says:

        Concern troll….NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE!! Did you read their words? They want to become FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT.. what part of their statement confuses you??? Gah, get a grip …. seriously, quit borrowing trouble …

    • FYI —. Omid Scobie has just released an article in Harper’s Bazaar that contradicts some of the “facts” about their Frogmore staff in the article above. I also think Harry has been staying somewhere else the past week or so. Wonder where? I’m surprised the press hasn’t focused on his whereabouts.

    • BellaBella says:

      My only worry is that TMZ and our stupid rags will pick up the slack. I read somewhere that TMZ is putting together a movie about Harry and Meghan and what *really* happened, and that FOX (ugh) is going to air it.

    • Lucy De Blois says:

      Run and never come back! The whole point of the press (bad one) and the RF was to set an example to everyone (royals or not) what may happen if you defy the stablisment. Harry did: not only an interracial marriage (unheard!) but an active, work, opinionated woman. A formmula for disaster.

      And I have no doubt: if they were fool enough to come back and live there, the abuse would spread over Archie. They know it. As soon as he starts living outside the walls of Frogmore, the cycle of horrific news would change sides, from his parents to him. Run, take the child and never return.

  2. Ali says:

    More speculation over minor royals.

    Has anyone seen the third Cambridge kid recently?

    • Jane says:

      He’s surfing with Archie in Tofino!

    • ayasha says:

      He’s a toddler. Do you think he’s got some ribbon-cutting events in the diary?

    • GossipGabber says:

      Leave all the kids alone. If someone on here dared to mention Archie you would all scream racism.

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        Oh, relax. No on is saying anything bad about the children and if you were on this site on a regular basis you would know that that has always been the case.

      • NextToMe says:

        Asking if a child has been seen isn’t racism. But that is a nice dog whistle.

      • suzy webster says:

        No one here sees their hypocrisy though but, yeah, if Archie’s name was mentioned it’d all kick off.

      • Lorelei says:

        This ENTIRE ARTICLE is basically about Archie, so what are you even talking about?

      • ProfPlum says:

        WTAF with this comment. Get a grip.

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        @suzy that’s rich coming from you DM readers.

      • Adrianna says:

        I couldn’t believe what one of those scuzzy rags over in the U.K. said about Archie. They are so unbelievably sly and sneaky….often using the word “niggling” in articles about Meghan. Yes, it’s a word but you see where they’re coming from and what their intention is.

      • CanukLuk says:

        This Cambridge imbreds better never step foot in Vancouver!

    • BabsORIG says:

      @Ali, he was seen boarding a ferry in Tsawwassen.😂😂😂
      But seriously, who can blame the Sussexes? I saw a ITV docu that was going on and on about how Harry loves the UK and how he’d love to remain if only Meghan would let him…pssst…Chris Ship and all the BM (and some Brits) racism is from outta this universe.

  3. Jodi says:

    GOOD FOR HER. truly, we’ve said here time and again but it’s worth repeating. it’s hugely important that she is setting this example of self care and boundaries in this, one of the most visible toxic families. she is a role model for women in many ways but this, might be her most important.

    • LaUnicaAngelina says:

      I agree wholeheartedly!

    • Happy_fat_mama says:

      I am a new mom who is currently recovering from another cycle of toxic family drama. I look at Megan and Harry as a positive example for me at this moment in my life.

      • Sass says:

        @Happy I’ve been there and I am there with you. Please know if you need support I’m here to listen. Congrats on the new baby!

      • Liz version 700 says:

        @Happy congrats and hang in their. Toxic families can make you think you are crazy

      • LaUnicaAngelina says:

        @Happy, I’m sorry you’re going through that and I can relate. *hugs*

      • Pineapple says:

        @happy it is called crazy making. The solution is apparently “healthy separation”. Like, say you are a Duchess living in Britain who gets smeared by her jealous Brother in law … you might leave. In our cases you spend a lot less time with people who make it difficult or unenjoyable to be with. If the are capable of change … wonderful. If they want to change to be in your life, yay!! If not (and it’s usually not) you see them less and make best friends with the guilt. One day you let the guilt go and just love yourself and the happy family and friends you have made. It gets 1000 times better dude. Having little ones is hard.

      • Call_me_al says:

        Happy, I’ve been there too. It seems that people project all their crap onto new moms. I’m really sorry you are having to deal with that. It’s almost like people expect The new mother to mother them.
        I’m like, “How about don’t put everything on the lady who sleeps 45 minutes at a time?”

      • Shirleygailgal says:

        draw healthy boundaries then stick with them. The people who are angry with you are exactly the ones you don’t need…let them show their true selves and then knock ’em out of your park. Stay safe, stay sane XOXO

      • emmyb says:

        Been there too. I had some people in my family who’ve always been toxic but when I saw the effect it had on my kids I had to set those boundaries to stop history repeating itself. I drew my boundaries, they thought I drew battle lines, but if they want a fight they’ll be fighting shadows because I’m gone, I’m done, I have no energy for their bull. It’s hard but it’s do able.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      So true. She is showing that she values herself snd her own emotional, mental and physical well being above pleasing others. And she is demonstrating that it is futile to attempt to try to get racists or haters to like you and the best thing you can do is to take the power out of their hands.

    • dawnchild says:

      I couldn’t agree more with the drawing of boundary lines and self care. I laid down some boundaries after 25 YEARS of marriage (also mixed race, bi-culture)…how I wish I had done that a couple of years into the marriage. Also toxic SIL-BIL with no interest in building cousinly ties between their kids and ours. It NEVER gets better. The toxic BIL-SIL marriage is over btw, but our kids don’t have much rapport, sadly. The rest of the family has improved in respect a bit, but often falls back on old behaviors. If I had asserted myself earlier, it would have been 100% better all round.

    • Nahema says:

      While I think to a large extent that you’re right, I don’t think it’s translating like that because peoples opinions are so easily swayed by the media and the media aren’t stopping. I know Kaiser said that maybe now the British press have realised that they’ve overplayed their hand but I don’t think they do. I genuinely don’t think they care that the Sussex’s are moving to Canada and if anything this gives them a new angle and more stories.

      The Royals might care if they’re not seeing Archie but I’m sure certain people in the press see this as a victory.

      • MsIam says:

        But what has the press “won” @Nahema? Even more coverage of the Future Future King and Kween? The tabloids are not journalists, they are gossip hounds. How long will it take before they get tired of covering Kate’s highlights and new coatdresses and start digging for dirt again. The Royals are going to rue the day they gave into the press.

      • Nahema says:

        @MsIam They’ve won in driving them out to some extent. I don’t think they’re going to stop just because Harry & Meghan are in another country. The coverage will still be there.

        I don’t doubt that the coverage of Kate will revert back to being unkind too, once the novelty of this situation has worn off.

      • Hey MsIam —- future future King and Kween. Or. future future King and Keen? 😎

      • Pineapple says:

        I don’t think the Royals give a fig about seeing Archie … or they would respect his parents and see him.

      • morrigan01 says:

        @Nahema

        I don’t think the British Press wanted to drive them out. It’s why they are so unhinged about them leaving. What they *wanted* was for Meghan and Harry to play the game. Author Edwards ( a royal photographer) talked openly about how Harry had failed to call the RRs to introduce Meghan to them and have her meet them. He flat out said that if she did, she’d get better press.

        Camilla Tominey has talked openly about having Kate’s phone number.

        What the press wanted was a never ending cycle of Harry and Meghan cosying up to the press for better coverage, which they’d get for a time, and then smears would start, and they’d cosy up *again* and so on and so forth. They wanted access, to be important. And harry and Meghan weren’t doing that.

        Even with limited access because they were the Rota they made BANK on Harry and Meghan. And now the bank is about to dry up. So yeah, they never wanted them gone, they wanted them to play the game. And they miscalculated that they eventually would, because of course they wanted to continue to live their posh lives in the Royal Family, right?

        Wrong. Maybe if the RF had defended them – Meghan and Archie in particular – from the press assault and backed them, they would have stayed and toughed it out, making the war with the press some kind of war of attrition. But the call was coming from inside the house (palace). And so now, here we are.

    • Mrs.Krabapple says:

      Yes, “toxic family” is right. When the whole issue about Meghan’s father surfaced, people were saying how Meghan has this whole “family baggage” that she was bringing into the precious royal family. But even back then, I was trying to point out that the royal family are no prize pigs themselves, and what about Harry’s family baggage? Racism, child rape, backstabbing — Harry and Meghan were smart to distance themselves from all that.

  4. Hoopjumper says:

    100% agree this is about the BRF more than it is about the press. It must have been so much worse than anybody knew for them to have been thinking about this in May.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      You do wonder about what things have been like behind the scenes – not just from the BRF themselves but also from their senior staff. I don’t think we should underestimate the ownership long term and senior staff has about the royals and the institution itself, especially if a newcomer is perceived to step out of line, even if said newcomer is of royal status herself.

      • Yup, Me says:

        “even if said newcomer is of royal status herself.”

        But I bet they didn’t really see her as royal. That’s how you know that all of this “royalty” stuff is made up bs. It only works if people agree to accept the glamour around it. Otherwise it’s just a bunch of fusty protocol and stupid raggedy ribbons and made up titles and oppression of other people and entire countries and wholesale thefts of jewels and cultural symbols and hoarding of money and land by a pack of toxic, entitled, inbred ugly people in expensive clothes.

        Meghan *should* have been seen as royal, but I bet she wasn’t. And that’s why she was fair game- in the tabloids and in that messed up family as well.

      • MsIam says:

        A lot of the things that Meghan (and Harry) were saying are the things that Diana said. No appreciation, no guidance for what was right and attacks for anything wrong, the isolation from the family. And she was an aristocrat, she didn’t need to borrow one of the queen’s tiaras for her wedding. And she was called crazy for speaking out and a loose cannon. So I think they have a problem with women in this family, other than the queen (and they probably bully her in their own way too.).

      • Well said ArtHistorian. I think the environment was toxic from the ground up. I also agree with Kaiser that the press were given encouragement and a free pass to go after Meghan, and then Harry when Meghan didn’t buckle — by his own family.

      • kerwood says:

        Meghan is just as ‘royal’ as Keen Katie.

    • Lady D says:

      If the palace has known since May this might happen, they had six months to speak up in M & H’s defense. I’m so disgusted by Charles over this and disappointed. The queen I couldn’t care any less about anymore, but Charles was depending on Harry to help run his monarchy and he still did nothing, or worse participated in the smears. They deserve to lose him and our country is only better for having them here.

      • Pineapple says:

        Did Charles plan to rely on Harry though?? Did William? Because their behaviour belies this. I think they were both insanely jealous of Meg and Harry.

    • morrigan01 says:

      If the Royal Family had protected Meghan and Archie, I don’t think it’s wrong to think they all would have stayed and toughed it out. But not only did they not back them and stick up for them, some of it was coming *from* them.

      You don’t stay where you don’t feel safe, or at least protected. And you for sure to let you child stay in such a place either.

  5. Kebbie says:

    I just love how against the typical playbook this has all been. They thought they could just attack, attack, attack, and Meghan and Harry would just have to grin and bear it. They shocked the press and the BRF and I am so here for it.

    • sue denim says:

      yes, and all the things the BRF and RR thought they could hold over them — money, royal status, family lore, assigned roles, guilt, etc. — just fell apart when the light of truth shone re racism, sexism, and Harry’s one down position for no other reason than birth order. Yay for H&M. I really think the monarchy is a dying institution and maybe they all know it…just fighting it in different ways…

  6. Sofia says:

    Can’t say I blame her. She was barely given a chance and people decided to hate her since 2016

  7. RoyalBlue says:

    I don’t think they are shocked. They are mocking her. This is mission accomplished for them. They despised her and wanted her out of the picture.

    • Kebbie says:

      The media or the royal family wanted her out of the picture?

      She has single handedly propped those tabloids up for years. There’s a reason the DM writes a dozen pieces about her a day. She has made them a lot of ad revenue money with all those clicks. Every post about her gets thousands of comments.

      And if you’re talking about the royal family, they may have wanted her gone but they definitely didn’t want Harry gone with her.

      Both the RF and the press overplayed their hands. And they’re both worse off with Meghan and Harry in Canada.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        I think the media is an agent of the royal family. The royal family wanted her gone and this was a deliberate attack on her that was successful. I think they hoped Harry would have divorced her so I agree with you that they did not want Harry gone.

        I have never bought in to the theory that this is simply a business transaction for the media and is all about the clicks. They could have written positive press about the Sussexes and would still get the thousands of clicks. Case in point is all the Pre-wedding and wedding stories and pictures. But no. It was a choice. They chose to take out hit piece after hit piece on her.

      • Mac says:

        The tabs are not going to back down. They will still write nasty articles about her every move.

      • Lady D says:

        …and the tabs will end up taking the blame when the entire world can no longer ignore the blatant racism. When it starts to impede tourism they might figure it out, or when more and more CW countries decide they no longer want to be associated with Britain.
        I mentioned in another post that I firmly believe I am British in my soul and past life. All my life I have wanted to go to the UK, I’ve always felt an affinity for it. I still want to see the UK, but it’s not the same. Now I’m sad when I think about too, it’s not the England I envisioned and she’s not the queen I once admired.

      • BabsORIG says:

        @Mac, no the British media is not gonna write anything about Meghan’s EVERY MOVE. I believe that one of the reasons the Sussexes chose our country to migrate to is because our media, and Canadians in general, tend to mind our own business. So they’ll easily live under the radar while they continue doing their philanthropic work in peace. Another big difference between the UK and Canada, is how the UK is ruled by their media political machine which is not the case in Canada. The UK media machine has such an iron grip on the entire country they have everyone cowering in corners. Here, not so much. So once the Sussexes have removed themselves from the UK, the BM won’t know their every move, they’ll only know what the Sussexes choose to share. And again getting it from SR hours after north American news have already printed stories it lessens the impact of the vitriolic narratives.

      • betsyh says:

        @Babs, The Dail Fail is not going to let their biggest money makers go just because they moved out of the country. They will have reporters or private detectives whose full-time job is to monitor them.

      • Nic919 says:

        A very hard look needs to be taken at the fact that the US, the UK and Australia have shit show media situations right now and Rupert Murdoch has a foothold in all three countries. There is no Fox entity in canadian media. (There are some attempts, but they are not national networks)

      • betsyh says:

        @Royal Blue, I don’t think the royal family’s main goal was divorce. I think they were trying to slap meghan down so she would quit shining and act the support person to the heirs. That is, more like Kate.

      • Mac says:

        The Daily Mail had an article smearing Meghan’s visit to meet the offices of the women’s shelter.

      • Shirleygailgal says:

        Do the bots count as clicks? I read somewhere that 80% of the negative comments came from about 20% of accounts and they were known bots (robotic comments, yes?). Are the bots earning them money?

    • Ainsley7 says:

      Honestly, I think this is their own wishful thinking and they are just fueling fires. The Sussexes made it clear that they want to be part time Royals. What is decided in the end is what is decided, but they have every intention to continue some Royal work. They will be in the U.K. now and then regardless of what the RR want. That’s why they are talking as if H&M are leaving completely. It’s what they want. They also don’t want her having citizenship. It’s harder to paint her as having planned all this and such.

      They let go of full time staff because they are no longer there full time. When they are there, they’ll arrange for any staff needed to be hired for the duration. They’ll reshuffle staff just like they are doing now. Most weren’t working for them full time anyway. It’s as simple as that. I doubt Harry and Meghan want to have Archie constantly changing time zones. Little ones are better with a routine. So, wherever they are, they will probably stay for months at a time. Who in their right mind would pay people to live and take care of a house when they aren’t there for months? Charles is too cheap and H&M are working towards financial independence. Neither is going to just flush money down the toilet when they can get by just fine with part time staff. It’s just common sense.

      • Amy Too says:

        This is what I was going to say. It doesn’t make sense to have staff continue to live in at Frogmore during the times when the Sussexes are away. I imagine they’re going to cover everything in white sheets like you see in the movies, and then have their people come back when they stay there again. The fact that their staff are being reassigned within the royal household also makes it seem like they’re giving those people something else to do when they’re not at Frogmore, but not firing them all the way because they’ll be needed again.

        I think the spin of “she’s never ever going to come back!” (just Meghan, not Harry, is apparently never ever coming back based on this, even though Harry also lives at Frogmore) is wishful thinking and gleeful, yet inaccurate, spin coming from courtiers behaving badly.

        Meghan and Harry said they would split their time between Canada and the U.K. They said they would continue to work for the Queen and for their U.K. patronages. And about Meghan’s citizenship: if living with Harry in Canada if he has a role like Governor General wouldn’t count against them for “days out of the U.K.,” then I bet going on foreign royal tours for the Queen also wouldn’t count against them.

    • Derriere says:

      I think they wanted Meghan out of the picture, sure. But I don’t think they thought Harry would go with her. That’s where all this faux concern is coming from. If it was Meghan on her own they would callously say that she never belonged, could never fit in, was not prepared, etc.
      But Harry is jumping ship too, so now they have to trot out some small think pieces on mental health and her citizenship, and the future of Archie, etc.

      They are big mad that Harry left too.

  8. Who ARE These People? says:

    Mostly it sounds as if the courtiers don’t WANT her to live in England in any meaningful way. And they made that clear from the start. She’s merely taking the hint.

    Update, after reading the article on citizenship, I wonder if they would look for ways to make it hard for her to establish the kind of close ties required to meet the residency requirement. To be continued, I guess.

  9. Feeshalori says:

    Cue the “Meghan is so heartless that she’s keeping the aged Queen from seeing her (one of many) great-grandchild again” brigade.

    • having many grandchildren does not make it easier to be separated from one and we excoriated William over the stories that Charles didn’t get to spend much time with his kids.

      Having said that, they have proven more than capable of moving discreetly and I believe that Archie will have the company and love of all of his grandparents, without the glare of paps.

      • Maria says:

        I don’t know. The Queen didn’t bother to attend Archie’s christening (I understand it was Holyrood week but I believe it was the tail end and probably could have been managed – other sources say it was just a private weekend with the Duke of Edinburgh at Sandringham).
        Also I really truly have a difficult time understanding why nobody in the Royal Family said anything when he was compared to a chimp.

        Taking into account these things, and also that the negative campaigns really got bad during her pregnancy, and Meghan choosing to leave Archie in Canada….maybe the Queen just wasn’t the warmest.

        I do hope that I am wrong and maybe it just comes off badly but is ok in private. Archie is so sweet and deserves what you say.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Sheepgonnabaa, that’s how the predictable press would play it. Any angle that they can twist the scenario to their own warped end. And to add, since the Queen et al didn’t have a word to say in Archie’s defense about that disgusting comparison to a chimp, l doubt she or anyone else is shedding a tear over his absence. Maybe Harry, but certainly not his biracial wife and mixed blood son.

    • LindaS says:

      Archie is a baby. As he gets older he will ask questions. We have to fight to see our granddaughter because her mom hates us. Court orders for us to see her which she ignored, her trying to get dirt on us but no one had anything bad to say about us and so forth had left us not seeing her often. She is 8 years old now and asks to spend time with us. So its prob not going to be cut and dried in the future. And it hurts not to see a grandchild no matter how many you have

      • MsIam says:

        Well, when Archie gets older, he can google how his mother and father were treated and how his loving grandparents stood by silently. Maybe he will even find the chimp picture that was he was so lovingly compared to. He can definitely google all about his grandpa Toxic Tom, and Aunty Scammy and see what wonderful people they were.

      • Rose says:

        A grandparent’s right to see their grandkid is earned, not immediately given. It is absolutely the parents prerogative who they allow access to their child and moms are higher on the power pole than Granny. Unless Mom is unfit( in which case CPS needs to be involved), grandparents are not parents and do not get the same amount of authority/access. I can’t imagine dealing with my inlaws telling me that I must allow them access to my child so they can play Facebook Grandma. Nope. I absolutely understand why H&M want to keep Archie away from toxic relatives. You don’t get to treat mom and dad like garbage and then expect to get your hands on their kid.

      • LindaS says:

        We were given grandparent rights by the courts. They were ignored by the Mom. It is amazing what can be gotten away with

      • Jane'sWastedTalent says:

        I’m so sorry for your situation, LindaS. Hopefully now that she’s getting older and expressing her wishes, your granddaughter will be able to spend time with you soon.

  10. Becks1 says:

    yup, agree this is about the royal family itself. I think if there had been support and the family hadn’t been toxic, they probably could have handled the press (or, if there had been obvious support from the BRF, the press might have eventually backed off. They scented blood in the water and just went at her more.) That family must be incredibly dysfunctional and full of backstabbing etc.

    As for the staff – seems reasonable. If/when they come back for any period of time, I’m sure there are some staff that could step in to make sure the house is ready, etc. Why do they need two live-in staff if they’re not there and might not return for weeks/months? It says the other staff were on an “ad hoc” basis and I don’t think that will change.

    • Kebbie says:

      It’s like they went out of their way to show no support whatsoever. A single photo op during the really rough times would have been a signal to the press to back off. The Queen did it for her pedophile son but not Meghan and Harry. It’s really changed how I view the Queen and Charles.

      • Harla says:

        I agree Kebbie and have said many times that even though the BRF rarely comment directly about anything they have many subtle and not so subtle ways of signaling support for other members. The way they left Meghan and Harry to fight this unending abuse has caused me to view the Queen, Charles, William and Kate in a whole new light and the view is not pretty. I read an article recently by a British trade ambassador who said that this situation is making it difficult to “sell Britain” abroad because now everyone sees how racist, classist and misogynistic the Royal Family are, the press is and the British people are.

      • Shirleygailgal says:

        @Kebbie…oh, me also! Totally changed the way I look at the family. In November 2019 for the first time EVER, I struggled singing “God Save our Gracious Queen”…I couldn’t, because our Queen was in no way gracious to our Duchess of Sussex…and I was in tears, because the hate and the drama all seemed so wrong and unnecessary considering the elephant we Canadians sleep next to. I wanted the Queen to set the example….like she has through my whole (65 yo) life long. The example she set…wasn’t good. But then, the Andrew fiasco blew up and her support of HIM whilst allowing the press to tear her apart like a pack of wolves….Queenie, you lost a loyal subject, not just for yourself, but for Charles too (maybe you DON’T care about the longevity of the crown…beginning to look like you really don’t).

      • Lorelei says:

        I think even one photo of Kate holding Archie and smiling down at him at that polo match would have made a big difference. But no, nothing from any of them.

      • Malificent says:

        That’s what I’ve been thinking all along. A ride to church with the Queen, getting papped going to dinner at Clarence House, or Meghan and Kate taking their kids to a park together. Just a few non-verbal signs of support from the BRF would have been a signal to the press without having to break the precious “never complain/never explain” requirement.

      • MsIam says:

        Didn’t they try all of this “photo-op” stuff already? Meghan rode in the Queen’s train, Kate went out of her way to greet her when they were present, they were at Charles’s birthday celebration. None of that stopped the press. I think the reason why is because someone on the inside was giving the go ahead to the bullying. The question is who? It would have to be someone pretty high up the food chain for the press to feel they could proceed.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Msiam those are all “official” events. Not going out if their way to spend any time with each other off-duty.

        I have no idea if it really would have made a difference or not, but now we’ll never know.

      • Becks1 says:

        @MissIam – most of those events happened before the smear campaign REALLY got going. (if we pinpoint it around the time of the Oceania tour.) After that, we only saw Kate and Meghan together at official events, with the exception of polo (where they barely seemed to interact) and Wimbledon (where Kate brought Pippa. There was a reason for that, but it still gave off a weird vibe, like Kate couldn’t be alone with Meghan.)

        Kate holding Archie at the polo match would have been something. Kate and Will NOT staging that budget flight photo op would have been something. Charles and Harry doing an event together long after the birth of Harry. etc.

        I do think the Queen realized how out of control it had gotten by Christmas, hence releasing the statement about supporting H&M’s decision not to spend Christmas at Sandringham.

        ETA and I do agree with that part of the reason this didn’t happen was bc someone in the royal family wanted the nasty press to continue. Someone (or many “someones”) LIKED that Meghan was getting dragged for not going to Balmoral, and that there was speculation that the royal family didn’t like her, etc. My guess is that benefited Kate and William, as the dutiful grandson and in-law who visited the elderly monarch during her Scottish vacation, thus showing how non-Hollywood they are and how much they prize tradition and family (that’s all TIC btw.)

        We certainly saw with Andrew how fast the queen could act to protect a family member if she wanted to, so I’m left to conclude that no one wanted to protect H&M.

    • Nahema says:

      You’re right @Becks1. This is all about the Royal family and their issue with Meghan. The press were always going to be terrible but had the Royals said or done something, they’d have backed off. The Royal families lack of doing anything gave them a pass to do whatever they wanted.

      • Pineapple says:

        NAHEMA the press WERE NOT always horrible. Meg got glowing, absolutely glowing reviews before she angered people by, you know, working. Don’t fall for the stories, remember the truth. The press reported wonderfully on Meg and Harry until after their Africa trip. That was when jealous family members had had enough and started their attacks. Sad, sad family. They should change the words of God Save the Queen, instead of gracious Queen it should be mediocre Queen, or racist Queen or pedophile supporting Queen. Sad family.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The press started on Day One with ‘Straight out of Compton’. Yes, the press has always been horrible towards Meghan.

      • Nahema says:

        @Pineapple, I respectfully disagree. They were always going to rip apart anyone Harry married and it was there way before the Africa tour. Any Royal bride would have felt it but Meghan got it extra hard for being mixed race, American and an actress. A tick list of everything the Royals hate.

        There were glowing reviews of Meghan but they were and still are American. The Americans were happy about having comrade join the Royals but the Royals not so much.

        We also need to stop confusing the opinions of the Royals for the opinions for Brits as a whole. Those privileged few are not representative of the whole.

      • morrigan01 says:

        @Pineapple the press were nice to Meghan *one* day – on her wedding day. Even the days leading up to the wedding they were focused on the Daddy Tom Drama (they they started with them paying him to stage pap pics), half-sister Samantha talking everywhere endlessly, half-brother Tom *writing a letter to Harry begging him not to marry Meghan* and freaking ITV flying Tom Jr.s ex-wife and son over to supposedly be interviewed in person and be commentators for the wedding. (And the only reason THAT didn’t happen was because American reporters picked up on that stunt and started shaming them over it . . . btw, the UK tv channels and news were – kinda salty – at all the US news coverage that were over there for the wedding and the prime positions they got for it).

        The assault started with “Straight Outta Compton” a few days after word of them dating got out, and with the exception of the wedding day reprieve – continue in lowkey ways, until the Oceanic tour where it officially kicked into extremely high gear.

  11. Belli says:

    Isn’t that what every parent tells their child?

    When they’re bullying you, walk away.

    And now she has.

    (Actually my dad told me to get in a good punch so they don’t bother you again, but he was never a very “high road” man)

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      It’s what we told our kid for sure. And the times she administered a little bit of playground justice…well, we just kinda said, “Don’t do it again.”

    • Shirleygailgal says:

      I taught my kid if they were bullying you, walk away. If they were bullying someone more vulnerable and less able to cope, get in there and protect the smaller/weaker/more vulnerable with all your might and I will have your back 100%.
      She walked away, and Harry has her back. “God Save Our Gracious Duke and Duchess of Sussex” are my new lyrics…. and a request to please have a word with the Queen when she joins You, will ya? Thanks and A-men…

    • Loved the comment about your dad’s view Belli. Very funny. Sometimes taking the high road is hard, hard, hard. That’s why I kept hoping William would show up at a recent event with a black eye from Harry giving him an “arms around his brother” hug.

  12. tempest prognosticator says:

    They aren’t shocked – they’re bragging. Meghan is gone for good. They got what they wanted.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      Except they were hoping she would leave all on her own and Harry would stay. Abusers are ALWAYS shocked when the abused leaves and REALLY leaves for good. So I DO think they were shocked. And what shocked then most of all is that Harry walked away too.

      • ME says:

        I agree. I bet they didn’t think Harry would walk away too.

      • Samsara says:

        I think they might be shocked but I doubt they’ve spent much time feeling bad. This is the nature of the press. They’ll run with this until it’s dead and move onto the next thing.

      • Nahema says:

        I’m not sure they care that Harry has followed Meghan. I think the feeling for Harry is possibly the same as it is for meghan by association.

  13. S808 says:

    If the family had shown support m&h might’ve been able to withstand everything but how were they supposed to cope when the family wasn’t even holding it down for them? they even teamed up with the press! Other than a few mandatory duties here and there I wouldn’t return either. They can hire movers and get their things shipped to Canada. They succeeded in their plan to remove Meghan but they didn’t anticipate Harry going with her and that’s what really grinding them up I think. BOTH of them gone is a problem for the press and the family.

  14. Nina says:

    The press and royal family worked together Bc they wanted her gone.
    They’re just mad Harry gave them the middle finger and left with his wife and son.

  15. lanne says:

    It’s time to start writing the think pieces about how much this resembles an abuse victim leaving an abuser. It tics every single box on how abusers behave when the victim decides to leave. This is going to leave a stain on the Royal family and the media for years to come.

    • Noodle says:

      @Lanne – excellent, excellent point. The one point where this situation diverges from textbook abuse is that no one is promising to change in order to woo back the abused. That fact’s absence from this narrative is really telling, to be honest. At least in the abuser’s position, most of them know they did a terrible thing and promise to change; in this situation, not one person is admitting they did anything wrong, or even contributed a tiny bit to the toxic situation. They are all too narcissistic and arrogant to be (at least falsely) contrite.

      • Agreed. And not one ounce of public expression from any of them except the Queen’s formal statement on Monday as to their personal love and support of them. I don’t know why I hoped for it, as they all sing from the same book. Hope Harry at least is hearing from some of them privately, maybe Eugenie. I remember it was reported that she and her husband had dinner with the Sussexes several times at Frogmore.

    • Harla says:

      As I wrote above, I read a piece by a British trade ambassador who stated that this situation is making it difficult to “sell Britain” abroad because now everyone sees how racist, classist and misogynistic the RF, the press and many Britons are.

      • Shirleygailgal says:

        GOOD!!! I’m really glad to hear that @Harla. Good, good, good!!! There must be a price to pay. Even blind people can learn to read (braille) (please understand I’m not being rude or diminishing to blind people, at least, I hope I’m not…but I thought I wasn’t exhibiting “white privilege” and learnt I was so now I worry). My point being….SURELY they can learn about their racism and move off their current stances. SURELY Charles knows a substantial number of Commonwealth countries have a substantial number of POC and that many more of us are becoming aware of the subtleties of racism that the imbalance cannot continue)……

      • Linda says:

        @Harla
        I very much doubt that a trade ambassador said this, besides Britain is hosting the inaugural UK-Africa Investment Summit on Monday and several Presidents and Heads of states from African countries are attending. Heck my country’s President is already on his way to London.

      • Samsara says:

        The British Royal Family are supposed to be a selling point for the UK, a brilliant advert. Instead they’ve become an embarrassment, along with the press. They aren’t representative of most British people. They don’t share the same values or views. They’re shameful and I wish that the British people would see that and do something about it. Unfortunately they use and survive on similar tactics that Trump used to get himself elected.

      • morrigan01 says:

        International Reporter Keir Simmons was warning the British Press and the Royal Family last year around this time that they’d better embrace the biracial American woman because NOT doing would have terrible repercussions wrt the UK’s standing in the world. Looks like that prediction is coming true.

        Just from observing, the rest of Europe can’t even with the UK anymore because of Brexit. Now you’ve got Commonwealth Countries, *many* of whom have large populations of black people and other poc looking at this with a *hard* side-eye. I don’t think the “we’re not racist, we have black friends” promote Africa thing happening on Monday (MLK day in the US btw, lol!) is going to do much to change that.

        A blind man could have seen this coming. Only people who are enamored by their perceived own self-importance wouldn’t have.

    • February Pisces says:

      I expect to see lots of engagements with people of colour in the next few weeks. The keenbridges have already been to Bradford this week. They will be trying to prove they’re not racist. It’s not gonna change that most people see that they segregated the biracial duchess. Once you show how racist you are you can’t undo it.

  16. Sof says:

    I mean, when you are a Commonwealth youth ambassador it makes sense that you spend your time there.
    Plus, they attacked Meghan for being American aswell and now are offended because she doesnt want her citizenship? Lol

    • Samsara says:

      We talk a lot about race being an issue on here, so much so that I think we sometimes forget just how much of an issue the Royals, press and percentage of Brits have with her being American and being an actress too. Meghan represented a multitude of prejudices.

      • kerwood says:

        Because the British are so provincial that being American and an actress is considered disgraceful? Too many people take The Crown waaaaaaaaay too seriously. This is not the 1930s and Meghan isn’t Wallis Simpson. It was often said that Harry might marry an American one day. As for being an actress, Meghan was a working actress in a profession where less than 10% do that. She is one of the few royal brides who actually earned her own money. There’s nothing wrong with that.

  17. MellyMel says:

    Don’t blame her one bit…I would do the same.

  18. Other Renee says:

    The press is far from being done with her. DM had two articles in a row mocking her for visiting women’s charities in Canada followed by a blistering one about her driving a Range Rover to pick up a friend at the airport (how she’s a hypocrite for driving this large gas guzzler).

    • carmen says:

      Yes, they “had” to mention the type of vehicle didn’t they? Petty, sh*t disturbers.

      Question – why do the royals seem to use Land Rovers or Range Rovers exclusively? I’ve noticed that they even use them on most tours? Is it something about the construction (i.e. bullet proof)? Trump always uses a Chevy Suburban – even when he travels and I was told it was because they were made bullet proof.

      • Bookie says:

        They’re British cars. I read somewhere a long time ago that the RF had some sort of partnership with Range Rover where they got free cars in exchange for being seen driving them.

      • Scorpio ♏️ Rants says:

        Weird thought…but since she really wants to stick it to the BRF, then wouldn’t she be seen driving a vehicle brand that wasn’t affiliated with them?

        And yes I know she does…..but to continue to be seen in the company car is odd to me I guess.🤷‍♀️

      • Lorelei says:

        @Scorpio that might be the only one outfitted with her security right now. I doubt she has a choice yet.

      • grumpy says:

        “…but to continue to be seen in the company car is odd to me I guess…” she won’t be paying for it. Her moral stance doesn’t extend to declining money, titles and all the benefits that come with being associated with that family.

      • hudson girl says:

        @grumpy. “Her moral stance…” What the hell are you talking about?

        She’s just giving work-shy, loser William the space he needs to do nothing without having to feel his personal inadequacies.

        She and Harry never said they wanted to stop working or representing the RF, full stop.

      • Some chick says:

        @grumpy nonsense. Meghan AND HARRY are declining taxpayer funds (INCLUDING FOR SECURITY OK SO STOP FREAKING OUT, REAL AND PRETEND CANADIANS!)

        And they are refraining from using their HRHs.

        Your comment is completely false. Stahp. They miss you over at the DM!

    • Eyeroll says:

      Doesn’t the queen drive a Range Rover? Let them continue, the fact is she doesn’t have to deal with them in person if she doesn’t want to or deal with the unsupportive BRF

      • L84Tea says:

        They all do. Heck, Kate was papped driving one this week! But did the press dog her for that? Nope.

    • OriginalLala says:

      While I loathe gas-guzzlers like Range Rovers, doesn’t the BRF have some kind of deal with them? All the royals seem to travel in Range Rovers. I wonder if they are outftted with bullet-proof glass windows/doors or something like that.

    • olive says:

      do they expect her to cycle from place to place? funny these tabloids never have anything to say about william driving range rovers when he’s spoken out about the environment too.

    • Also, one of the RR reporters — a woman named Royal N—-? — said some shade yesterday that Meghan was putting in appearances with groups in Canada with a political agenda and the agreement as to their exit had not been worked out, but here’s Meghan once again violating accepted royal behavior. At least that was the gist of it.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Their car at Frogmore is an electric Audi. Harry drove her to an engagement in it. They may be shipping that over, or looking to purchase a new electric car in Canada.

  19. Loretta says:

    I respect Meghan even more than before. This is the best thing that she could have done not only for her but also for Archie. Harry is the only person with an heart in that toxic family.

  20. Leigh says:

    A few months ago Piers Morgan actually went as far as saying Meghan should “go back to America,” if she’s not happy. I guess the racists never thought she would actually call their bluff….

    • olive says:

      yep, they weren’t happy when she was in the UK and they wanted her to go back to america, now that she left the UK and is back in america, they’re still not happy. she cannot win with them, so why bother trying?

  21. Danielle says:

    The press have always wanted Meghan gone, but they wanted to break up the Sussex marriage to achieve it and have Harry stay in England so he could marry a nice, white English rose who knew her place.

    I agree with what some are saying above about how the likes of the DM have been benefiting from inciting all this hate towards Meghan to get more clicks. The more and more I think about it its so astonishing that the Royal Family didn’t step in and do something to say enough and show support to Meghan and Harry. It just shows how they are the absolute worst. And now the gaslighting coming from the family and the media that Harry and Meghan have said ‘see ya’. Don’t even get me started on Prince Andrew…

  22. yinyang says:

    Thats okay. There going to love Canada its a great country!! I wonder at which point Harry sighed with relief and thought “I could get use to being here,” even if it means giving up spending other peoples money and spending my own. Even if it means never going back. I’ve got everything I want and need right here. BTW Vancouver is gorgeous in the summer. Oh I’m so excited!!

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Everywhere in Canada is gorgeous in the summer! Signed, Southern Ontario

    • Jaded says:

      Yinyang – what a lovely comment. Victoria resident here, I moved from Ontario in 2016 and love it. Ontario is fabulous though – Muskoka, the Kawarthas and Haliburton all have distinct beauty. I think Meghan and Harry are going to be very happy they made the decision to abandon the merciless royal family and tabloid press and spend at least part of their time in Canada.

  23. marmalazed says:

    I think it’s worth pointing out that the article and many of the comments make it sound like it was just Meghan’s decision when it was both Harry and Meghan’s. Assuming otherwise feeds into the narrative that she is the one causing division in the family. I applaud both of them for doing what is best for their family.

    • MeghanNotMarkle says:

      All of this has been painted as Meghan’s doing when it’s clearly been a joint decision. One of my coworkers actually called her a tart yesterday. I wanted to deck her but practiced my breathing exercises instead.

    • Some chick says:

      This, all day.

      Whenever I comment on one of these stories, I try to make it a point to mention that HARRY is driving this process, doing the negotiations, etc. He has said for years that he’s not entirely comfortable with the whole royal thing, again and again. At least it is both of them. Framing it as something Meghan is doing on her own promotes the false and sleazy RR narrative.

      Also, Piers Morgan can go soak his head.

  24. Katelyn says:

    If they are trying to slim down and pay for things themselves wouldn’t it make sense that royal staff would be reassigned? If they are going to “rent”‘ Frogmore from the Queen they may want to hire their own staff… It seems like no matter what they do the press will paint it in the most negative light instead of thinking it through logically

  25. DS9 says:

    If this is true, then it’s not about the media and ordinary Britons.

    This is in house and it’s uuuugly.

    I’m guessing Meghan was treated nastily during the wedding planning. They assumed they could save it between the relationships with his family and H&M’s willingness to work. But it became obvious that the royal family is racist to the core, won’t change, and won’t provide Harry or Meghan with any meaningful support and likely actively works against them.

  26. Bitchyarchitect says:

    The RR’s and BRF may have won the short game but they lost the long game. I think history will show that The standing of Britain has really fallen in the world- having just bullied the only bi-racial member of the BRF right out of the country.
    It’s a shame- even though they’re very different I actually think both Kate and Meghan’s strengths and weaknesses complimented one another and both types are needed in the BRF. It speaks volumes that Kate didn’t reach out to Meghan to help her -having experienced the media nitpicking herself. Despite their personality differences they could have had a strong friendship based on facing up to the adversity and scrutiny of the BRF. All it would have taken was one photo up of the two of them having lunch during the whole Meghan made Kate cry feud and it would have put to bed so many rumors.

  27. lanne says:

    Are these idiots even remembering that they are the heads of something called the Commonwealth? Do they really think that trotting out 1 or 2 POCs to say “The royals arent racist” will do the trick? Do the royals REALLY think they can show up in Africa or Asia like all is normal?

    If they give the Sussexes a good settlement, they can still use the Sussexes for the benefit of the RF. Right now, they are trying to actively push them completely out. If they do so, the Sussexes are completely on their own to do WHATEVER THEY WANT! They are rock stars! The world loves an underdog story! With Brexit on the horizon, royals who chose to walk away and take NOTHING will be seen as the champions! The royals are the easiest post-Brexit target ever! At this point, these idiots will be getting exactly what they deserve.

  28. ME says:

    She had every right to leave. Good for her. Why would she want to stay in a toxic environment? I am sure it wasn’t just the British press as you stated.

  29. Prolet says:

    I am happy for her, but I think she should go back from time to time. She has some initiatives she wanted to support in the UK and it would be fair to at least bring them to a meaningful end.

  30. MeghanNotMarkle says:

    I’m not surprised and I can’t say that I blame her.

  31. Alexandria says:

    Predictable of course. The press is now attacking them for making staff be shuffled around and the same press will also attack them for retaining the same staff on standby even when they’re overseas because that is wasting taxpayer money. Take your pick! Never ending. They are obsessed with Meghan.

  32. kerwood says:

    Why should she? Her husband and son are British but she’s not. She’s been hounded out of the country, why would she want to go back there to live for any significant amount of time.

    The real losers here are the British people. I believe a lot of British people really liked the Duchess of Sussex, especially British people of colour. This has been a real wake-up call for non-White British people. It’s been made clear that they need to know their place and stay there, until the royal family needs them for photo ops to show they aren’t racist. Other than that very convenient event a few days ago, I can’t recall the last time I saw Normal Bill and Keen Katie with so many Brown people INSIDE England. I have a feeling that the Normals are going to spend more time with people of colour in the next little while than they have for their ENTIRE LIVES.

    • morrigan01 says:

      I knew Will and Kate were going to pull the Royal equilivlant of “we’re not racist we have black friends” when it was announced that Meghan and Harry were leaving. And apparently a bunch or Royals are going to pull the same thing with some Africa-focused event on Monday. The same day as the MLK holiday in the US.

      If I hadn’t predicted they do this, I would be more disgusted by it all than I am, and just rolling my eyes. I know many white Brits will fall for it, but – and say what you will about racism in America, (and there is a LOT to be said), but the whole “I’m not racist I have black friends” thing is now mostly roundly mocked here, even by white people, when it’s so blatantly played in ways like this.

  33. S says:

    So, first of all, all of these “sources” and speculation are 98% nonsense, so this is as likely to be true as a story about Meghan sprouting wings and literally flying away from the royal family.

    Having said that, the instinct to “never again” a place you’ve been badly hurt and emotionally abused is utterly understandable, and a not-terrible plan EXCEPT when it means your partner is also pulled away from their home, family and the only life they’ve ever known, and then it’s also almost certainly likely to be a strain on the relationship, even if that family is toxic to one degree or another. Now, that doesn’t mean anyone should continue to live in a situation that’s bad for them, but it’s also true that while time doesn’t heal all wounds, what feels like “never” in the moment can often soften after a while, especially when it’s important to your spouse.

    Of course, no such nuance will ever be seen in the tabloids, who likely made this entire thing up out of whole cloth. The fact remains that Meghan will never have an issue living in Britain if she so chooses, and it’s just as dumb as the speculation that she and Harry would end up in the poorhouse without their titles and the Crown’s purse, which was laughable on its face. They’re some of the most famous people on the planet, no matter what you call them, and they have the connections to earn money hand over fist in an instant without even a blip in their standard of their living.

    Even if the marriage ended tomorrow–and I’m neither speculating, nor hoping, it ever will–the fact remains that, whether the tabloids like it or not, the Duchess of Sussex is the mother of a child born to a blood Prince. She will have a place in the Royal family—and all the perks and frustrations that accompany it—for the rest of her life.

    Which is part of this whole process that worries me…They can leave the UK, and stop being working Royals, but they can’t escape their fame, which is a big part of the problems and pressures they’ve endured. Strongly suspect they’re not going to be less bothered or pressured no matter where they mostly reside, sadly.

    • Kebbie says:

      So many of the stories were about the cost of her clothes and the cost of Frogmore Cottage’s renovations. If they truly become financially independent, the tabloids can’t harp on about those things anymore, or at least not in a way that inspires anger. Stepping back as senior royals should also lessen those stories about protocol. God, all the stories about how she broke protocol with her nail polish, lack of hosiery, and car door shutting 🙄

      She’ll always be famous, but they’re going to have to find new angles for their attacks. I’m sure they will, but the stories will lack the same bite when she’s not expected to play by Royal rules and she isn’t funded by taxpayers.

      I’m guessing the line of attack will be about their celebrity and them cashing in on their royal status. In which case, they really can’t win. They’ve got to earn a living if they want to support themselves, but the same people who criticized their taxpayer spending will criticize them earning money just the same. They just want Meghan to be a punching bag, under their thumb playing by their rules.

      • S says:

        Yeah, that’s the based-in-evidence fear that we’re already seeing come to pass.
        The attacks don’t abate in the least, they just change tack. It’s possible the Sussexes can better “fight back” against the slurs without so many courtiers overseeing their every move, but they’ll still be savaged by a press that seems to want to do little but that, perhaps even more viscously in the short term. Seems like a lose-lose situation for them, sadly.

      • Lady D says:

        Their *ever-changing* rules.

  34. Bettyrose says:

    I’m not saying I in any way predicted Sussexit, but all along I’ve said Meghan has options outside the RF in a way Diana didn’t and Kate doesn’t. The NYC baby shower should have clued the RF and rota into that. It really was inconceivable to all that someone can walk away from the RF and live a full meaningful life. Even Edward after doing so essentially lived in exile.

    • ME says:

      Good point !

    • Nimisha says:

      Urmmm as far as I understand, many of those present during her baby shower were the people she met once she announced she was joining the RF. I used to follow her on Instagram before this whole thing, and while her focus was on her charities and blog, I only remember Priyanka Chopra and her co-stars from Suits as friends. Oprah, Gayle, Amal, Serena only came later. You cannot believe Hilary Clinton was visiting Meghan before she joined the RF! So while, I agree with you that yes she does have options outside, the doors were definitely opened by her joining the RF.

      • kerwood says:

        She knew Serena and Chopra before she met Harry. Oprah and Gayle are friends of her mother.

        How many of Kate’s friends (does Kate have ANY friends) were William’s friends first? Friends like, Rose Who?

      • Whatever says:

        “Oprah and Gayle are friends of her mother”

        LOL, Doria and Oprah apparently go to the same church but I highly, highly doubt Oprah gave a F about Doria Ragland before Meghan started dating Harry. If Oprah and Doria were really friends don’t you think Oprah would have interviewed/ been pictured with or even just mentioned Meghan after she got her big break on Suits and made it known she was a daughter of a friend? She never did. Doria only became important to Oprah once she realized Doria’s daughter was getting serious with Prince Harry.

        Meghan has known Priyanka Chopra and Serena before joining the RF though.

        Also, can we stop with the blatant lie that Kate has NO friends, she obviously does.

      • kerwood says:

        @Whatever, you happen to know Oprah and Gayle’s circle of friends? So what’s Oprah REALLY like?

        Who are Kate’s friends? I’ve only heard that she’s friends with certain press people who have her cell number on speed dial and assorted people who were friends of William. Rose Who? is referred to as her BEST friend. So who are the others? I’m curious because I always thought she was a sad case who didn’t have a life outside of William. I can imagine it would be hard to keep friends if you’ve devoted your life to catching and then keeping a man like Normal Bill.

      • Lila says:

        Serena has been close to Meghan since 2014 or so. Misha has known Meghan before she met Harry. Same for Genevieve, her college friend who organized the baby shower. Jessica and Lindsay, who also attended, have known her before Harry. So no, most of the people there are not her friends because she married Harry.

      • Amy Too says:

        I don’t get these kind of arguments. Like “if she wasn’t a member of the royal family, no one would care about her!” Okay, but she is a member of the royal family, so…..? “These people would have never met and befriended her if she hadn’t married Harry!” But she did marry Harry, and she’s still married to Harry, and she did meet and befriend these people. “She wasn’t this popular when she was just Meghan Markle, actress. She’s only newsworthy because she’s the duchess of Sussex. If she gives that up, she won’t be popular!” Okay, but even if she gives up the duchess title (which I don’t believe will happen), she will still be the former duchess of Sussex, and the popularity that came from that doesn’t just get erased like it never existed. These arguments don’t make any sense. They’re all basically “if this thing didn’t happen then things would be different now!” Well duh, obviously, but “this thing” DID happen and it doesn’t get erased from public memory just because she’s doing something else now.

      • Lady D says:

        Oprah has spoken warmly about being friends with Doria for over 25 years. They met in church. She knew Doria long before she knew Meghan.

      • kerwood says:

        @Amy Too, very well said.

        I also have to wonder why people want to label Meghan a ‘social climber’ when Kate Middleton and her family could give a CLINIC on social climbing. Nothing that Meghan has done can touch waiting and scheming for TEN YEARS to trap a future king and then using it to improve her family’s social standing.

    • bettyrose says:

      Amy Too:

      Thank you! That was exactly my point. Regardless of when she established her current network, she has a network that is not tied to the RF. And even if she didn’t, she has an education, career experience, and the skill of being on her own. In many ways, she has had an out (all along) that most royals and RF spouses do not, and Harry by association has tools for a new life, as well. And it’s bewildering that no one seemed to understand that.

      • morrigan01 says:

        Hollywood is ALL about networking. You’re always looking for your next gig and ways to promote yourself. And she’s been in the industry for 10 years as a jobbing actress, and then almost another 10 as a working actress on a popular show.

        So yeah working, having a life experience, especially one that was focused *outside* of England, gave her a much more secure “out” than it ever gave Diana or Fergie. They were both part of that Aristo Set before they married Royal. They grew up in it. When they divorced, their whole world had already been that place, that set, those same people that the Royal Family was ingrained with.

        People continue to work off a script that she wanted to be a part of that set all her life or some nonsense like that, and that she would do whatever it took to be in it, even take the abuse they were dishing out. They were wrong, and are utterly confused by it. Edward, even with leaving, was always trying to get back into that world. Harry, in contrast always wanted to leave it and Meghan was never given any support for it to ever gain some hold on her – having never grown up enamored with it or in any way rooted to it.

  35. L4frimaire says:

    Maybe there is some truth to this because why would she want to go back there. However, this being the a Daily Mail, it really is hard to know how accurate it is. If she does return, it will be like very quietly, and not for anything official. She’s done for now and who can blame her.

  36. Artsygirl says:

    She would probably divorce Harry if he does not support her leaving the RF..Harry, I think has mental and emotional issues rooted from his mothers death. My speculation is he doesn’t want to lose meghan and Archie, so he chose the to leave as well..he is afraid that meghan will divorce him..but good for her..let her live her life the way she wants..although she knew going in what being to a RF entails and all the challenges and harassment that she will face..of she knew all of this will happen..she is an intelligent, grown up, eduacat d woman..maybe she was expecting that she would be the change that the RF needs and that she will eventually change the public’s opinion..but what she didn’t expect is the BRF has been the same for centuries..it is all about tradition. And people are comfortable with that tradition. She hasn’t even been married to Harry that long and she’s already quitting..Harry never looked happy in pictures since getting married..quit. A big change when he was still a bachelor.

    • lanne says:

      Nope. Nope. Nope. Harry wanted out for YEARS. Back to tumblr with you!

      • Courtney says:

        I don’t think there is strong evidence that Harry has wanted out for years. He seemed to recommit to being a full-time royal after he left the armed services. He quit his military desk job and went full-time royal. Like most royals he seemed to like the perks but not other things that come with the job.

        And tumblr really isn’t as popular as you seem to think it is.

      • Silas says:

        I wish it were just fringe tumblrs but I’ve been watching white men and women say the same salty, racist things on mainstream white majority sites.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        @Courtney, except Harry himself admitted that he tried to leave the RF in the past and only stayed after the Queen persuaded him to stick around. Leaving the army was more of a choice by the RF and the press than by him. Tumblr is extremely popular among certain fanbases and groups, and anti-Meghan tinhatters are one of them.

    • Kebbie says:

      Harry is the one who has wanted out forever. He has said so countless times. He gave it a go and his family and the press treated him and his wife like shit, so he peaced out.

    • Silas says:

      You sound drunk.

      And I’ll bet people are happy with that tradition. The BRF are about white culture. Must have so rankled the “traditionalists” so much.

    • kerwood says:

      @Artsygirl, Hey William, welcome to Celebitchy. Have you taken to cruising social media because Keen Katie is sooooooooooo boring?

    • Guest says:

      Lol. No. Harry’s been talking for years about leaving. He finally found a strong enough woman though that he can finally get out.

    • yinyang says:

      A lot of young men are partiers until they meet the love of their lives, who straighten them out and help get their act to together. They trade the fun parties at hotels for a quiet evening at home with their soulmate, you call that manipulation I call that falling in love. Won’t be the first time and thank god it won’t be the last. Harry looks almost as happy with Meghan and Archie as he did as the nine year old in Diana’s arm. The Canadian air, Meghan and Archie will heal him not that messed up family.

      • Brandy Alexander says:

        “until they meet the love of their loves, who straighten them out and help get their act together”

        So… All a badboy needs is the love of a good women to change? Because, Harry & Meghan aside, this attitude is gross on so many levels.

      • yinyang says:

        @Brandy This is common, people make mistakes and people change, he’s not the same guy we saw in the tabloids years back, naked partying with a bunch of girls in a hotel room…I think Harry fell in love with Meghan and will follow her to the ends of the earth. If it was Chelsy he wouldn’t have cleaned up his act, I think he’d still be unsettled and incomplete wandering aimlessly kind of like William right now.

      • Brandy Alexander says:

        @yinyang, you completely missed the point of what I said. I think Harry cleaned up his act BEFORE Meghan. But regardless, let’s not spread the trope that a good girl can change a bad boy. The only person who can change ANYONE is themselves.

    • GuestWho says:

      Oh dear, the old ladies on twitter have got their arguments cooked up, agreed upon, and have sent their representative here to convince all of us that Harry has never been more unhappy. I’m sold! It was his enormous smile whenever he’s with his wife and/or child that fooled me. Thank heaven for twitter-ers.
      Too funny.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      Omg I am so tired of people saying Harry supported his family because he has mental issues. It is so racist to think a man must be mentally ill to protect his biracial wife. Gross that is just gross

    • L4frimaire says:

      So those statements Harry issued to the press, back in 2016 when they first started dating, and this October 2019 were for what then? I think you need to stop looking at the high school yearbook and see the grown adults as they are now. Maybe they could have stuck it out longer but you’re deluding yourself if you think the current situation with the press, palace leaks, undermining and isolation was a good situation. Another thing: a baby changes everything. No way could they raise their child in these circumstances and do right by him.

  37. qtpi says:

    One thing I don’t see mentioned often is how the press treated Fergie. She was married to the spare as well and was completely trashed too. I was in elementary school when they married and even at that young age in America I could see she was treated like total garbage.

    There is a lot of negativity all around them and they obviously need to get out. Sounds like Harry has wanted this for years. As someone that has had therapy it reminds me of how life changes bring up stuff from the past and Harry getting married and having his own child has probably really affected him.

    • lanne says:

      But she did things that led to her treatment: running up debts, getting photographed having an affair with her daughters crawling around beside her, selling out the royal family for bribes. On Camera!

      Meghan has: written a best-selling cookbook, edited a magazine, held a major fundraiser for her Smartworks charity.

      • Kebbie says:

        But she also eats avocados and funds terrorism. So in many ways she’s worse.

      • Courtney says:

        they were also really shitty about her weight.

      • Nimisha says:

        I don’t think either of them deserve the trashing they receive in the press – no matter the motivation. The paps tooks Kate’s naked pictures, tapped Charles’ phone saying sweet nothing to Camilla. But if everything you do is constantly judged and criticised, who wouldn’t want to leave? And props to Meghan for taking this step.

      • Soupie says:

        @Lanne
        They were trashing Fergie long before she started really screwing up. Mostly about her weight but also something about being too “commoner.”

    • Dizzy says:

      Yup, I agree with because I remember it too. Also Sophie the wife of Prince Edward was trashed too because she was a successful woman in her thirties. They tried to make it outside the royal family but the press wouldn’t let them. She managed to turn it around and is very popular now.

      • Kebbie says:

        I think it’ll be the same for Harry and Meghan. If they’re allowed to continue royal work, people will come to respect and admire them and their work ethic. And at least in North America, respect that they chose to support themselves financially.

      • kerwood says:

        Didn’t Sophie try to make money out of her royal connections? That’s a lot different than being trashed for committing the crime of being born Black.

      • MeghanNotMarkle says:

        Yeah, Sophie made a big boo-boo and that’s why she was chastised.

    • L4frimaire says:

      Harry saw all this as a child back in the day, and he sees how Andrew and Fergie turned out, how their daughters are treated. He does not want to be that in 20 years.

  38. KellyRyan says:

    Given the amount of tattling, gossip surrounding this family, staff and service workers are suspect. Neither Harry or Meghan were safe. In California we have Restraining Order protection, and unfortunate we have needed to use this against a neighbor who has stalked and threatened us. M&H will be able to take action if needed in CA. RO’s are handled in civil court and once in place and violated they become criminal. They can be granted for up to five years.

  39. Myra says:

    Brits are now Unhinged that Meghan’s given them the middle finger. Did they think she would roll over and die? Just like they did with Diana they refuse to allow her to move on in peace. The Brits had their chance now she, Harry and Archie are beloved by the world. Focus on Kate, Rose, Pippa, Anne, York Sister, TQ…so many other women you can abuse. Megan literally put thousands of miles and a ocean away from you people….LET IT GO!

  40. Liz version 700 says:

    If the royals want to see Archie can’t the non Queen ones hop on a budget flight, call the paps to document it, and then come for a visit? Lots of families do this.

  41. Sunshine says:

    I think they already have jobs lined up. And I’m not talking voiceovers. Meghan is very smart. And she has many smart women backing her (unlike Kate). The tabloid media underestimate her and her husband tremendously… as if they are the York’s.

    • MeghanNotMarkle says:

      I don’t see them blindly venturing out on their own, all happy-go-lucky. They definitely have a plan and have been working on this for months. They’re not a couple of 18-year-olds storming out of the house thinking they know everything.

      • morrigan01 says:

        @MeghanNotMarkle yes! I said this back in November when talk among the Sussex fans about them leaving was going on in earnest. People were wondering why Harry didn’t just pack his family up then and there and leave. And I was like, “Guys, they have to have a *plan* first before they can go. And I have no doubt they are working on one, just like clearly did when it came to the lawsuits.”

        These two together are clearly people who *plan things out* before they make a move. Not two teenagers, as you say, who are just throwing tantrums.

    • There was a brief mention in an article on Tuesday, that the SussexRoyal foundation that the Sussexes plan on rolling out and activating in Spring is set up as an American Corp and is already extremely well-endowered. I tend to think this is true as Meghan always has her ducks in a row before anything she and Harry do is rolled out. If one of the senior royals (I’m looking at you William) hadn’t sabotaged them with the leaked info to Wooten, I think their exit would have also been announced when everything had been worked out.

  42. Grant says:

    All this makes me love MM even more, if that were possible. These insufferable buffoons are so far up their own you-know-what’s that I would have very serious concerns about raising a smart, well-adjusted, and morally sound young man amidst their toxic influence. Meghan basically just said, “Thank u, NEXT!” and peaced out, and I love her for it.

  43. Who ARE These People? says:

    The Queen was raised in a very different time, and her whole life is about breeding – hers, her family’s, and her horses. This is what she brought to the table. It doesn’t work any more.

  44. Peg says:

    Please, Harry wanted to leave the circus of the Royal family for years, like all things with Harry, no one took him seriously.
    Black Twitter is having fun with this, one tweet was, Meghan told Harry to get a job and leave his grandmother’s house.
    Going forward can only get better, after the last three year.

    • Some chick says:

      “Meghan told Harry to get a job and leave his grandmother’s house.”

      DEAD. I am dead! You’d better come to my wake!

  45. Jaded says:

    I have to shake my head in disbelief that KNOWING Harry’s mother died a tragic death as a result of being hounded by the paps, and the struggles he’s had and still has coming to terms with it, the BRF STILL allowed this vicious harassment to continue without putting a stop to it. Shame on them. SHAME ON THEM. I hope Meghan and Harry never set foot in England again.

    • And what does it say about William? He also stated for years that he hated the press and felt they were culpable in his mother’s death. Yet here he is so deep in with them, they now own him.

  46. ChillyWilly says:

    I find it refreshing that they had so little staff at Frogmore. I wouldn’t want all those people in my home either. Also, footmen?? What do footmen do nowadays? Open and shut car doors? I wouldn’t want any of that nonsense either. I can open my own door just fine.

  47. anon says:

    I called it.

    I said here last week that, outside of important occasions like Remembrance Day, the Trooping of the Colors, et al, that she will never live there full-time again.

    Also, they’re not going to take away the HRH titles. Harry still has Invictus, Sentabale and other important activities for the Crown, so he will most likely keep his HRH.

    The only issue now is the money.

    • PrincessK says:

      Do you think she will do Trooping and Remembrance? It would be nice but doubtful…how many times will they be crisscrossing the Atlantic and when Archie starts school what will happen? Their plan in reality is hard to achieve. I think that after 2020 they are going to drop out of a lot of royal stuff.

      • yinyang says:

        I wouldn’t do it, I have a fear of flying

      • MsIam says:

        Those are only 2 events per year. So it’s not like they will be going back and forth every week. I wonder about her patronages, if she could still keep them. Diana resigned from her patronages but I don’t know if that was part of the divorce proceedings. Meghan not leaving Harry, and really not the family either. They are just getting some breathing space.

    • notasugarhere says:

      InvictusGames and Sentebale are Harry’s outside of his royal duties. He never did those as a representative of the Crown, so he takes those two enormous things with him.

    • morrigan01 says:

      Yes you did call it. I personally figured it out with the whole “North America” part of the statement. She’ll live in Canada and will likely some frequent trips to the US to see her mom and take meeting/set up charity events and issues she wants to tackle. Archie and any siblings will go to school in Canada.

      Them picking the West Coast of Canada to live and not Toronto or anywhere on the East Coast of Canada was a sign. (There is a big difference between a 3 hour flight vs a 12+ hour flight. And 12+ hours is what the flight time is – at *least* – between the west coast of North America and the UK). And Archie was NEVER going to go to two different schools every year. I never saw Meghan sending Archie to boarding school in the UK. Not after all of this.

      Personally, I don’t see Harry going back much either, except to see his Grandparents or other family members for personal reasons. Or if he has to take a money meeting or whatever. And he may do an event or two more than Meghan (like the Rugby thing he did this week), but he barely did that stuff anymore anyway. But he’s not really going to live there either. Again, I give it about a year before it really hits some people about all of this (especially wrt Harry – and especially if they didn’t see them leaving coming).

      Archie, Archie, Archie. He, more than anything is the deciding factor in all of this for them I have no doubt. I really do think that Harry knows about the monkey thing, and how the guy who did it was rehired quietly. As a Royal, Harry couldn’t say anything to protect his son from that, and I’ve no doubt that his family didn’t think it anything important. As a POC, you sadly can’t protect your kids from racism, but you CAN at least stick up for them. Kids of color know if they have parents who will stick up for them when it comes to such things.

      I don’t know how much I trust Lainey Gossip, but she did say something interesting recently: that while Hollywood has always had problems with diversity, it is still *way* more diverse than the British Aristocracy. I know for sure Meghan’s momma bear insticnt kicked in wrt all of this. It’s why he was left in Canada. If Archie is seen in the UK again before he’s a teen, I’ll be surprised.

      • Mego says:

        Frankly I think it’s great they chose Victoria. They are not making it easy for the UK media to chase them. Long expensive flights. Ferries or planes to-get to their location. Yet not a long flight at all for Doria.

  48. Prairiegirl says:

    No need to appoint Harry Governor General, as some posters are suggesting, as she’s still early in her term. There are several Lieutenant-Governors whose terms are almost up, most conveniently Ontario’s whose LG was appointed in 2014. And here’s the best part: as the personal representative of the monarch, a lieutenant-governor follows only the sovereign in the province’s order of precedence, preceding even other members of the Royal Family. LOLOL

  49. lanne says:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that the person the paps and the royals really hate is Harry. Wait, hear me out. Harry is more like his mother than William. He was always cast aside, stepped on, overlooked, “the spare.” He was a performing pony for the public, not a real human being. People could titter over his antics, but they didn’t ever really care about him. They felt sorry for him as a young boy, but they encased him in amber as a young boy and never ever wanted him to grow up. They still talk about this grown ass man in terms of childhood. I said before he’s a man with 10 million self-appointed jealous mothers in law who can’t stand that their “baby boy” has grown up. His so-called biographer Angela Levin is positively unhinged. When he was acting up, he was still “their boy.” There’s an “ownership” entitlement with Harry that’s really, really toxic.
    So he grows up and selects a wife that his 10 million self-appointed mothers in law dislike. She sees him as a grown man, not as a child or a sidekick. He’s making decisions on his own, for his own family. And the rest of the British media, the Royal Family CANT STAND IT. He was NOT supposed to grow up, ever. But as much as the Royals and the RRs and the tabloids think they’re coming from a place of love in wanting to “protect” Harry, the truth is, they want to keep him in a little box. He is an object for them to control. They “love” him (in their mind) only so long as they can control him. Their “love” for him is purely transactional and conditional. It’s the old abusive “If I can’t have him, no one can.” Are the Royals the their minions really at the point that they would rather see Harry dead than happy, if his happiness means he’s not theirs to own? So this “love” the family claims to have for him isn’t love at all. It’s possessiveness, which at its heart, fueled by hatred. Hatred of what the victim can be without them: independent. Something’s rotten in the house of Windsor, and all of the tiaras and castles in the world can’t hide it.

    • kerwood says:

      @lanne, I think you have a point. A lot of people seemed to have a lot invested in Harry staying the ‘wild child’. His brother, his ‘friends’, his family and the media seemed to like ‘Harry the fuckup’. But Harry decided to make a change, even before he met Meghan. He dedicated himself to his work, started Invictus and grew up. He became friends with people like the Obamas. Can you imagine Michelle and Barack Obama giving ‘party boy Henry’ the time of day?

      And then he met a woman who fit in with his new image of himself and the life he wanted. Meghan was everything he wanted in a woman and he chose to build a life with her. The tragedy is that his family, the people who claimed to care about him, didn’t support his desire for change. They just wanted the party boy they could sneer at and feel superior to.

      There seems to be a lot of resentment towards Harry, but there’s no doubt in my mind that if Harry left Meghan (and Archie) and ran back to England, he’d be received like the Prodigal Son.

    • morrigan01 says:

      Wow. This, I feel is pretty spot on wrt Harry and what is going on wrt the RF and the RR/press.

      Looking around, many of them are still trying to convince themselves that he won’t really leave. Some are practically writing obits like he died or something they are so unhinged. They are really infantilizing this grown 35 year old man, which is likely why they have never really ever listened to a thing he’s ever said, especially wrt this whole situation.

      There was a script written by these people wrt Harry and his life since he was born. And he keeps ripping the script up and throwing it away, even though they continually keep trying to get him to follow it. It’s why they keep forever getting blindsided. By him being serious about Meghan, about the lawsuits he filed against the press, and now this move.

      I give it about a year before many of them finally, finally get hit by the clue hammer that Harry isn’t ever going to play by this script and live the life they had written out for him and then that anger they have at him won’t be in the tone of grieving or anything else.

  50. Sparkle says:

    She looks so much happier and normal in Canada that I can’t imagine her ever returning to the UK. They dressed her in the most fug clothes on royal engagements. The day she got married I remember remarking how much she had given up for him – leaving her country, her career, her friends. And his family, his friends, and his country did not welcome her with open arms and were cold and cruel to her. No wonder she bounced. I am always surprised that people who treat others badly act so shocked when their victims finally get fed up and leave.

    Honestly, I hope Harry continues to stand by her. He must be so ashamed and disappointed in his family and friends for treating her so terribly.

  51. GM says:

    I am not a fan of M, but to give her credit, it is hard to leave something that is safe (probably secure for her lifetime, cushy, famous, revered- yeah it’s silly but the royal family really seems to be worshipped by some people) and say nope, I’m out. I just don’t know many people who can leave a sure thing thing behind for the unknown. I give her respect for that. It surprised me and royal family , public and press.
    I don’t think despite some press she is a “leaver” necessarily, she stayed with SUITS for years.

    • yinyang says:

      To me it’s a no brainer, happiness and protection of my family (husband and kids) comes first and foremost, and I’d do it everytime and gladly.

  52. Busy says:

    So the splitting time between the UK and North America line on the website was a lie then?

    • kerwood says:

      @Busy, splitting time doesn’t have to mean 6 months in England and 6 months in Canada. It could mean 11 months in Canada and 1 month in England. That’s what I’d do. And since the British media has shown their entire ass over this, I think she’d be justified in deciding not to return at all. England isn’t her country.

  53. carmen says:

    The National is supposed to have a panel – royal journalists & constitutional experts – on tonight to discuss M&H in Canada. I’m not optimistic about hearing anything new or revelatory but I’m curious about who the royal experts will be.

  54. morrigan01 says:

    *shrug* I knew this. I said this. Not after this experience would she want to live there full time. Meghan probably met some very nice people wrt the charities and stuff she got involved in, but it’s not enough to live there in a place that dehumanized her to such an extent.

    She’ll mostly live in Canada and go to the UK to do engagements, maybe spending a few days here and there. But that’s it.

  55. blunt talker says:

    One thing stands out -why did the royal family stand by and let Meghan and her child be smeared with no response from the palace. They can talk all they want. but the world is really reading about how she was treated for the past 3 years. Those countries in the Commonwealth are not fooled after reading the vile comments in the press and no action from the palace. The cpuntries with people of color in the majority. Because she was the one different royal people in those countries were hoping to meet and work with her. This will go down in history as the most evil thing to happen to a person of color like Meghan. I don’t know if this true-she left most of her belongings and said she doesn’t want them. I think Harry may remain in the UK most of time while Meghan’s role will be redefined to let her live outside the UK. Please don’t let baby Archie stay too long in the UK- he is going to sized up against Kate’s kids and they will more negative towards Archie. This world is truly evil to smear a newborn at birth. I have read and seen a lot of horrible things in this world, but to be vile towards an innocent child is downright unhuman. I’m sure they see Archie that way anyway. They did not see him that much in the past 8 months says it all. Now Willian is trying to do damage control with a so-called African project-the funk never stops. Hoping the Commonwealth buys what they are selling after his family threw Meghan and her child to the wolves.

  56. Karmak says:

    I think Meghan is right to stay in Canada while Harry negotiates their escape from the crazy British press and Royal Reporters (aka liars).
    I have watched a few clips from British shows talking about Harry and Meghan stepping down as senior Royals. I have come to the conclusion that half the British public do believe the Dim and Daily Fail. When Americans say we don’t take stock in tabloids like In Touch, Star, and Us Weekly we really don’t. Some do if they already dislike whatever celebrity they are covering. Once in awhile one of these publications will get something right…. but very rarely.

    Some people think Harry and Meghan have disrespected the British people and should apologize to them…..Oh yeah…. and the Queen. Some are saying Meghan didn’t follow protocol and caused her on backlash (flase). Some just never liked her from the beginning …….. American, biracial, an actor. It’s the ones that are in shock that Harry is leaving that are quoting the tabloids. They may not have been paying attention to closely to what was being printed in the rags. But they know the talking points. The campaign against Meghan has worked.

    We have been hearing the calls for Harry and Meghan to pay back the taxpayers money for Frogmore cottage. Oh wait ……..the staff was reassign to Windsor Castle today. Now it’s …… Meghan must not be coming back. They should pay back money for their Wedding. I think …..they should get their money back from Charles for his first wedding because it was a sham. And how about getting taxpayers money back from Andrew for flying to see Pedo Epstein in New York and Pedo Island multiple times. And from any Royal Family member that is divorced shou!d give back there wedding money …it is only fair. Oh wait….. All the Queens children but one has gotten divorced.

    And this………How are Harry and Meghan going to make money?They shouldn’t use their Royal Titles. Strip them of it …..so they can’t make money off of it. Ok…. now let’s talk about Andrew and that Pitch at Palace program where he would get 2 % off the top of any deal that gets a made. That is making money while performing as a senior royal. Last I heard Andrew was still trying to be part of this. Good thing he was retired. I Believe ……..Charles makes money for the Duchey of Cornwall by selling jams and such with his name on it (I may be wrong).

    It is crazy Meghan hate going on by some of the British People.
    I wouldn’t blame Meghan if she never went back for very long.