Khloe Kardashian has been financially and emotionally supporting Lamar Odom ever since he got out of the hospital following his Nevada overdose. She rented a house for him which was close to her property, she paid for his medical bills and she paid for his physical rehab too. Lamar even started making some appearances on Keeping Up with the Kardashians, just like the old days. But sh-t fell apart pretty quickly. For months now, there’s been a lot of reporting that Lamar is still drinking and still using drugs. Khloe finally pulled the trigger (again) on their divorce, re-filing the paperwork. Earlier this week, TMZ reported that Khloe had kicked Lamar out of the house she was renting for him. TMZ claimed that “the last straw was dropped last month after family members found a crack pipe on the property.” Then on Monday night, Lamar was on a flight from LA to NYC and he was so out-of-his-mind drunk that he was kicked off the flight.
Lamar Odom was taken off a Delta flight Monday night after getting wasted in the airport lounge and vomiting on the plane … TMZ has learned. Lamar went to the Delta lounge at LAX before boarding a red-eye for NYC, and according to eyewitnesses was pounding down beers and whisky. By the time he got on the flight, we’re told he was wasted.
Two passengers in first class tell TMZ, Lamar went to 4B and sat down, but as the plane was about to pull back he bolted for the front, threw up in the galley and then walked in the bathroom and with the door open threw up again. When he came out of the bathroom, we’re told he had vomit on his clothes.
The passengers tell us the flight attendants “gently” escorted Lamar off the plane, and a cleaning crew came on board to deal with the mess. The flight attendants put Lamar’s carry-on belongings in a plastic bag and removed them from the plane. Ten minutes later, Lamar suddenly reappeared and walked down the aisle — with vomit still on his sweatpants — and took his seat again. Minutes later, we’re told Lamar got up and went back to the bathroom, using the heads of people in their seats to steady his balance.
One of the passengers told the flight attendant, “Don’t you know his history? I don’t want a dead body at 30,000 feet.” Lamar was again removed from the plane and the flight took off, arriving to NYC 40 minutes late.
What a mess. And what a waste of a life. I know Lamar has profound tragedies in his life, but he also has and had a lot of people around him who will do anything for him, including supporting him through any kind of detox or rehabilitation. As you can imagine, people started tweeting Khloe and asking what she thought of everything with Lamar. After she tweeted a sad-face emoji, Khloe responded to various tweets, asking people to pray for Lamar and thanking people for their love and well wishes. But it wasn’t all tears and prayers. One tweeter wrote: “instead of running the streets with Mr.!steal your girl you need to be helping your HUSBAND.” To which Khloe clapped back: “stay in your f–king lane little girl. You know nothing about anything. You’re a sheep herded by society.” Ugh.
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Prayers don’t work.
But it’s the easiest way to “help” without actually doing anything.
Khloe has already done everything she can, and far more than she had an obligation to do considering Odom left the marriage by cheating and using drugs long before Khloe filed for divorce the first time.
I don’t think there is anything Khloe can do at this point but pray. Lamar has rejected her efforts to help him stabilize his life and recover from addiction.
I just posted a link on the Jack Wagner post about an amazing new book called “Unbroken Brain,” which looks at addiction in a very different way. Prayers are indeed not the solution…although I can’t really fault someone for encouraging prayers if that’s all they have ever known/been taught to do in tough times.
Odom seems to be in a horrible place, it’s so sad. I can see why Khloe would be tempted to kick him out but according to this book, that is probably the worst thing she could do for him right now. He clearly doesn’t have the capacity to manage on his own.
I’ve never read that book, but as someone who has suffered abuse at the hands of an addict, no one is responsible for an addict and looking after their wellbeing if the addict clearly doesn’t care about themselves or the person who is looking after them. The “worst thing” for the addict may be the best thing for the other person – ie. the person thinking of their own best interests both mental and physical ahead of the addict’s best interests. I can support someone if they want to change, but if you give them multiple chances to change and help them multiple times and they still pull the BS Lamar is pulling, then it’s time to cut your losses and move on.
Did you listen to the Fresh Air podcast, Esmom?
It was very enlightening but at the same time, I empathize with addicts who found religion-based and/or 12 Step Program-style treatments to be their salvation.
I would imagine that it would rock their very foundation to be told that it might not be the best way to treat their disease.
But yes, it made perfect sense to me that these type of programs should be classified as *self-help* and not addiction treatment.
The most important takeaway for me was the emphasis on the idea that addiction treatment is NOT one-size-fits-all. There are so many different reasons and ways that one can become addicted and addicts come with their own individual issues so why do we assume that one style of treatment will work across the board?
Kitten, yes I did listen to it and was pretty blown away, mostly because what she said made so much sense in the context of several family members’ and friends’ family members’ experiences. To me it felt like a very different way at looking at addiction and treatment and I think it resonated so much because it’s very much akin to how we look at the autism spectrum (which she alludes to) — where the prevailing sentiment is very much “If you’ve met one person on the spectrum, you’ve met one person on the spectrum.”
I didn’t get the implication that the 12 steps never work, but rather that for those where it doesn’t work, we need to have alternative ways to address the problem.
One-size-fits-all solutions are not the answer, in regards to so many things.
And Trixie, I also understand that family members/loved ones do need to look after themselves as well. I think it’s fine that Khloe cuts her losses but I also think it’s a mistake to think that left without any resources or support that Odom will somehow manage to overcome his addictions and the underlying issue driving them.
He’s not on his own. He has many friends. They just don’t focus cameras on him.
I spent seventeen years in NA and now i loath it. After waisting so many years on drugs who wants to waste the rest of their life talking about it? Also there’s all the BS about God and the fellowship is crawling with scumbags who justify predatory and other unethical behaviour by saying “At least i’m not using”. A lot of young people, who are going through a phase of over indulging in substance use, end up in NA and get told that no one ends up in NA by accident and that they need to go to meetings and stay abstinent “a day at a time” for the rest of their lives otherwise it’ll be “jails, instituions or death” it’s all BS. I was told all that but now i don’t go to meetings and i have the occasional drink without any problems.
She probably meant everyone else pray instead of giving advice.
She asked people who can’t help him personally to pray, so it’s no harm. And she did all she could to help him, if Lamar don’t want to be helped, she can’t do much more.
Their pre-nup agreement pays Khloe $1m a year for every year they are married. If it were not for that fact she would have divorced him years ago. I highly doubt she is financially supporting Lamar.
As a Christian, I know prayers work. And it doesn’t stop anyone from making better decisions about their lives.
as an atheist, that made me lol
As an atheist, I don’t think laughing at or mocking people who believe in prayer is cool at all. If prayer is helpful for people then who are we to judge?
Myself? I just send “positive vibes” in lieu of prayers. Not sure it does anything, but it’s just a way of saying that you’re thinking about them and wishing them well.
Nah nah nah. Let’s just stop this right here. I’m agnostic, but I am not down for belittling other people’s beliefs.
Divinity, truth, and love will appear to everyone in different ways. Sending good energy does help, and however a person chooses to do that — in the name of prayer, meditation, or what have you– is all good if it’s done in the name of love.
ETA: Kitten, you are my favorite for reasons clearly illustrated in your above comment. I do the same thing, and I think it really does help. Hugses.
Thank you Kitten and Shambles 😊
I agree, Kitten and Shambles. I’m also an atheist and I think loving support is always welcome no matter what form it takes.
I was raised in a religious house although my parents were of two different religions as well as two different of everything else lol, and I’ve seen times where prayers have helped. And there’s times when prayer is all you have. Sometimes the prayers are just as much for the perosn in need as it is for the person who wants to help but can’t.
I mean, as much as I love snarking on Lohan, I’ve even said prayers for her. Not that they seem to have been answered, but no one can say I didn’t try!
Kitten, thanks for what you said about this from an atheist viewpoint.
I’m with Anna. It’s laughable that people believe in that childish nonsense.
One might argue that prayer and meditation are both the utilization of the power of attraction, and do actually indeed work.
Focusing on positive thinking and positive outcomes have been used for centuries by many religions, despite what they might call it, and statistically it’s been proven to work.
Yes this is a wiki page but there are sources listed at the bottom. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer#Studies_on_the_efficacy_of_prayer
I am not religious, but I agree that positive thinking is a powerful thing no matter what form it comes in.
They do for those who believe. If you were somebody that believed in God, a prayer on your behalf would be meaningful
Right? I’ve been praying that the K Klan fall off the face of the earth but they’re still here.
The only people I feel sorry for are Lamar’s children who are seeing their father slowly kill himself with the whole world watching.
Is anyone rather surprised there are no cell phone photos of Lamar and this incident? I know it is gross, but people take photos of anything and everything these days
There are photos……TMZ, Daily Mail, UsMag…..
Thanks for letting me know. I really only check out this site for my gossip news
Khloe likes to say how true to her vows she stays while dating other men. When Lamar falls its all about her, they knew he shouldn’t be on Kuwtk’s or go to Kanyez show dressed like a circus, but he has to pay up for the help. If anything, its his kids and family who suffer with him not Khloe
Shit Fee I would love nothing else but to blame the k clan and Khloe. But no one is forcing Lamar to drink or do drugs. That shit is on him. Unless they are holding him down and forcing him, than its on him.
They arent forcing him to drink but they pimp him out to TMZ in a way that probably contributes to further spiraling. How did TMZ know that she evicted him over a crack pipe found by a Kardashian no less? Why is she responding to strangers tweets over this matter?
Lamar is not Scott Disick. He was always less than enthusiastic in front of their cameras and when his troubles began he made it clear he didnt want them whored out for their story lines. And thats exactly what Khloe continues to do. The woman is despicable.
So sad.
And so wrong people calling Khloe: Lamar is the one responsible for his sobriety, she can help and support, but if he doesn’t want to stay clean there’s nothing she can do.
So true 🙁 Hope Lamar one day decides to fight his demons through therapy instead of numbing himself with drugs and alcohol. I feel for his loved one, especially his kids, who have to watch him just destroy himself.
Seriously. Can’t believe I standing up for a Kardashian but seriously? What is Khloe supposed to do at this point? She has done EVERYTHING for this man. He doesn’t want her help.
Everything except keep him off camera.
Lamar can self-destruct without any outside help, but remember we’re hearing this through the Kardashian filter. Can’t really separate fact from fiction in their case. The “discoveries” seem a bit too convenient for the poor Khloe scenario that they are spinning.
I still think Khloe is quite the hypocrite and Lamar was not drinking and drugging alone when they were dating and married. I don’t think she is sober and clean now. I think those were the secrets he was ready to spill if they kept trashing him on that damnable show, as he said he would shortly before his overdose. That would explain her refusal to allow other people to be alone with him when he was initially in the hospital and the crowding of his visitor schedule with her family (pushing other people, including his children and close friends, out of the way). Now that he’s walking and talking again, she must be torn in two directions: the need to push him away for her own sanity and future relationships, and the need to keep him close so he doesn’t reveal the dirt he has on her.
But Lamar isn’t homeless, he has other accommodations (the rental near Khloe was never intended to be permanent) and also friends who are not Kardashians and who have been helping him all along. Kobe especially. The Kardashians just have tried to make it seem as though he was depending entirely on them. The others haven’t been talking loudly about it or leaking it to the tabloids.
I would also take what is said about how she’s supported him financially with a huge bucket of salt. He still has plenty of money and the K Klan is not known for its generosity. I would assume that one way or another, it was really his money or his insurance that was paying. Remember all the lies told about such things while he was still in the hospital, such as falsely claiming that Khloe paid for his kids and their mom to travel. The Kardashians are always thinking about promoting themselves, either directly or indirectly through strategic leaks.
You can criticize Khloe for everything else, just not this. She supported Lamar and took care of the financial pressure of medical bills and housing. I’m sure she also tried to be there as a friend to give emotional support. Most addicts don’t get anywhere near that kind of support and assistance. She did the right thing by kicking him out, so many people try to help addicts and end up enabling them. Lamar is the one who is solely responsible for this mess. Khloe did all she could, and if it was like my experience, I bet it was completely exhausting.
EXACTLY!
And, I’d like to add that it seems Khloe has reached a HEALTHY level of emotional (and financial) support. You can’t continually lookout for someone else’s well-being at the risk of your own.
I agree, it is very sad.
And I think this should be all about Lamar.
I think Khloe has great financial support in that SHE gets 1 million dollars for each year of marriage. My mom and I got nothing for leaving my dad but to sleep on a floor in an industrial park because we had no money and nowhere to go.
I apologize @Tiffany, this post is for those sympathizing with Khloe.
Sounds like he is surrounded by Nothing but enablers, maybe his rock bottom is death.
Every addicts rock bottom is different. And you could be right, he’s on a clear and fast track to the grave. I feel so sorry for his kids. And honestly i feel bad for Khloe too, she really did try everything to help him.
You see, I do not feel bad for Khloe because I strongly feel that she is one of the biggest enablers of all. At the same time, for me, that would be me not feeling sorry for my mom when she did what she could to ‘help’ my dad. To this day though, to me it was all just enabling him to get worse. My dad is still alive and kicking even though he still walks the walk and has relapses, day by day.
It’s incredibly sad for him and his children, especially since he nearly died last time. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.
Why did they remove him from a flight, only to let him back on a few minutes later? That doesn’t seem like the best idea.
What an a-hole. He couldn’t grab a sickness bag? No, he has to continually force others to literally clean up his mess.
If I was the DELTA CEO I’d ban him for life. But no, the yes men and women will tiptoe around him until he dies from addiction. It sounds like his objective anyway.
yep. hard truths. how much does he pay for that seat to be allowed back on the plane?
You can’t get banned for getting sick. He inconvenienced the crew and passengers but that’s an overreaction. Odom isn’t the first person to get drunk and sick on a flight. He also won’t be the last person to get drunk and sick.
So grateful that I wasn’t on his flight, or his unlucky seat mate.
Flight attendants and crew are saints, I think. I’d have a difficult time dealing with a sick drunk. And the other passengers – I’m sure they were grossed out by all that vomit everywhere. UGH
Back in the dark ages of my youth, before personal computers and cell phones, airlines pretty much encouraged people getting drunk on planes by plying them with alcohol throughout the flight. Helped people relax when they were anxious about flying, and was a common theme in sitcoms. They have bars in airports for a reason.
As someone who recently sat next to a woman who got so drunk she threw up on the plane, I’ll tell you this is unfortunately not as uncommon as you think or something the Delta CEO would get involved with on just a regular day.
Sure the CEO may wish to be involved. It’s my understanding Odom jumped out of his seat after pushback (everyone is to remain in their seats with their seatbelt fastened by that point). The flight crew were forced to return to the gate, then it caused problems with ATC ie that Delta flight crew missed their slot time for take-off, which then causes more problems down the line with regard to passengers making tight connections, operational need etc… it created a giant mess in addition to puddles of Odom’s vomit on board.
I will never understand the urge to film situations like this- puking your guts out deserves to be filmed?? Re comment above re sick bags- doubt seriously if any such bag would have worked here, unless it was the size of a leaf bag. I do feel sorry for passengers on the plane. And for Lamar- I am afraid I agree with poster above- he being in intensive care for days won’t get you to stop, what will?
he was clearly far too drunk to logically think, “let me get this sick bag as to not inconvenience the other passengers”
I don’t feel any sympathy for any of these people. They have so many resources and $$ options to get off whatever they’re on and choose not to. Normal people don’t have all these options. Boo to kardashians for again trying to gain PR at someone’s expense.
You should try to have a slight amount of sympathy. Addiction is a terrible thing that effects people with or without resources. It’s hard for some people to kick a serious addiction even with support. If you don’t get on board with that idea, you could at least feel sympathy for a man with children who is dying in slow motion for the world to see.
Not to mention, he didn’t come from money so there are systemic issues at play. Where and how you grow up has a lasting effect even if you leave it.
@Lindsay
I might disagree with you there. Systemic issues don’t seem to matter with addiction, it strikes pretty evenly across the board. Wealthier people just have access to better treatment, that might even be covered partly by their insurance. Poorer people get jail and a record.
Think, for a moment, how hard it is to not eat the ice cream or chocolate in the house, then magnify that times 1000 and you will begin to slightly understand the depth of addiction. Add to that all the money and connections enabling you to get what your body craves at anytime. Sometimes having all the money for the help you need is exactly why you don’t get the help. Broke people bottom out faster partly because they don’t have the resources and resort to more desperate behavior faster.
Not judging, I too find dealing with people suffering from addiction tiresome. It’s easy to lose your sympathy for them because they are “doing it to themselves” while hurting everyone around them. It runs in my family and and can suck the life out of people who love them, but that’s the frightening nature of addiction. It takes a Saint to put up with it day after day, year after year.
YES. Excellent comments, Decorative Item and Melly.
Nice to see some empathetic posters here.
Addiction is a disease, have some hope for those in need of help.
Dealing with addicts at work. Some want help some don’t.
There are millions on people on this earth that have shitty lives, childhoods what have you, some pull through and get the help they need. Some prefer to spend money on drugs/alcohol/gambling instead of their health or family. They all know what they are doing is bad, they know they can get free help but chose not to. I have no sympathy for these people.
I see them cry poor, they can’t pay for their meds. I let it go and tell them pay me back when you can. I then see them buying $50 pack of smokes, beer and at the pub on the poker machine. Their meds were less than $10.
KK has done a lot for this man and he doesn’t give a crap. The man has children that can’t pull him through rehab? What a selfish man.
Sorry but the Kardashians don’t care about him, they cared about the storyline they could perpetuate. Addiction is a terrible disease and this is a man who lost a child, a mother and recently two best friends, that’s a ton a tragedy for one person to endure.
Boo hoo people who through the same or tougher sh!t in life and I don’t see them taking drugs or living a dangerous or unhealthy lifestyle.
He is an ADULT. He wanted to hang around this lifestyle, he spent crazy money on drugs no one had a gun to his head.
Didn’t he lose one of the friends to an OD?? That wasn’t a wake up call for him??
Yes this might seem like terrible thing to say I live in a town of people like this. I see it every day.
Ignore the publicity for KK, he was given all the choices and resources to get clean for himself and his kids.
he chose not to = selfish
Addiction changes your brain. You are right in that when he first started he had a choice. Had he never done crack, he would not be addicted to it now. Once you become physically addicted, you don’t need a gun to your head. Your brain is screaming at you “I’m sick, this will fix it.” Like cravings hunger pangs, thirst it is very hard not to give in. Once you are psychologically addicted, it’s even harder. You feel like you can’t go on without it. It is a crutch to avoid psychological pain. Sure other people have had it worse but psychological suffering isn’t a zero sum game, no one wins, it is very relative. Would you tell someone with PTSD from an assault, it was one bad time, other people go to war and have to deal with bad things for months, get over it? Hopefully not. Just like people can get acutely depressed or overwhelmingly anxious over things that may not even phase someone else. The fact you see it as minor, doesn’t change how they experience it. Learning to step outside your emotions and view things objectively is hard. It takes some people years of therapy or in-patient treatment like rehab to be able to do.
The person holding the gun to his head was him once that switch was flipped and being high went from being fun to being the only way to feel normal. No outside influence is needed at that point. To me it’s even hard to blame him for trying crack that first time. From a young age he saw his father model behavior that said “crack is the best, it’s better than you, and fixes everything.” Knowing what we know about how it is made to be very addictive and knowing his genetic predisposition, should he have done it? No, of course not. But you learn to cope with things by watching others. It isn’t surprising he tried he father and friends method of coping. It is the path of least resistance, smoke this and you will feel better. You don’t have to make any hard changes or look too closely at what is going on. For a broken person, especially ones that didn’t grow up learning the healthiest psychological tools, a quick fix is very tempting. Also, if you feel like everyday is a struggle, it is impossible to care or really even think about long term consequences or making long term changes because you begin to feel like you will never get there or even worse your brain is saying “Why?” Being dead ASAP seems like the best, most tempting option without ever having to be actively suicidial. Killing yourself is a hard choice to make, smoking crack that’s easy.
People are not addicts because it’s fun and glamorous. Most come to really hate it. No high will ever be as good as the first and eventually it isn’t fun or a high at all. People don’t do it because they don’t care about anyone else. They do it because they are suffering, even if you don’t deem their reasons sufficient. It’s a hellish way to live but the alternatives seem worse and scary. It’s just basic human decency to at least not make insensitive statements about a serious problem you will never understand. The addicts you see everyday aren’t their to annoy you, they are there because the wiring in the brain has become forever altered, genetic predisposition, dire circumstances, bad choices, and a lot of physical and emotional pain. It’s easy to say from the outside looking in, he never should have done it in the first place, but it isn’t helpful or constructive.
I’m sad for you that you have such a superficial understanding of addiction.
YES!
Amen
i don’t think it’s superficial. with addicts, you can explain the culpability away all day if you like, but that doesn’t help anybody. there are always reasons, always excuses, i’ve been there. but just like like a bad character trait, maybe you got it from your mama, you still need to be held accountable. free will might be nothing but a concept, but society needs it. we need it, addicts, enablers and therapists alike.
Actually, I’m glad I don’t have an understanding of addiction. I haven’t been subjected to it, and for that I’m grateful. It sounds like a difficult situation to deal with, that’s for sure.
@Emma, I hope none of these things ever happen to you and you have to have sympathy for another person. Or perspective, objectivity, hope, empathy, or love.
What that family did to him after he almost died was disgusting. He needed time to recover and they paraded him around for another storyline on that show.
don’t forget that he is an adult. they didn’t lock lamar in that brothel forcing drugs and hookers on him. if anything, they provide him with endless resources to get his shit together. i get the kardash-hate, but come on, you can’t blame anybody for this mess but lamar himself.
Very true however after his OD he had brain damage, Khloe talked about how he had to learn to talk and had trouble with memory. In that state how could he properly make decisions for himself? He can barely remember what happened to him but he really wanted to make that trip to nyc (not to see his kids) to see Kanye’s fashion show???
You could also argue that they provided an avenue for this man to make money to support his children. Financial pressures are a major reason addicts relapse. That overwhelming feeling is a common trigger. I work with addicts and the #1 thing they want is a job. He could have easily worked on the tv show and been in recovery. It’s not like filming takes 40 hours a week. He could of had a sponsor or sobriety coach with him on set, gone to meetings, gone to out patient rehab, etc. This family is awful, but they clearly wanted to help Lamar get clean. Like I said up thread, you can criticize this family for everything but not this imo.
I guess i’m questioning why they would choose to put him back into the spotlight so soon after such a serious incident. Why not let him recover away from the public spotlight
@Jade
The point you’re making is completely valid. However, he is a grown a$$ man and was not forced to go back on the show, he chose to do it. He’d been on the show before and knew exactly what he was getting into. Going on the show gave him an opportunity to earn some money and possibly improve his image. I’m sure he had every opportunity to get outpatient care and Khloe was clearly supportive in his recovery. I hate that I keep defending a Kardashian here, but from everything we know the family (especially Khloe) was working to help Lamar get healthy and create some stability. The blame for this situation should be squarely focused on Lamar. You learn in recovery that you are responsible for your own actions.
Other than possibly Kim (and I’m not so sure about her anymore), the other Kardashian/Jenners are most likely not clean and sober themselves. Especially Khloe and her mother. Their problems with alcohol are obvious because that’s legal and can be shown on tv, but they’re doing more than that.
They don’t care about getting him sober. They do care about their plotlines. He apparently is no longer useful for that and they have the Rob/Chyna/baby plotline to occupy them. So they can cut him loose now.
I wouldn’t waste too much sympathy on the Kardashians.
If I remember as soon as he was out of hospital he was seen drinking at a bar. He makes his own choices in life.
I hate that people are calling out Khloe. She did waaaay more than she had to or needed to. They were separated for a while before he nearly died, and never got back together when he recovered. He’s her husband due to a piece of paper. They don’t have joined lives anymore. She did much much more than the average person could or would do for their estranged spouse, she shouldn’t have to put her life on hold any longer. If he doesn’t appreciate what she did for him when he nearly died, he doesn’t deserve anymore help than what she’s currently offering. I feel bad for his kids and for Khloe, but not for him.
Exactly. Khloe clearly tried very hard to be a major part of his support network, but he obviously wasn’t/isn’t ready to dedicate himself to his recovery. If she would continue to support him then she would be enabling and cosigning the bad behavior. It’s heart breaking for me to watch what Lamar is doing to himself, I can’t even imagine how Khloe is feeling.
Poor Lamar. Addiction is a horrible thing. KK has done everything and beyond of what she can do to help. This is no longer her fight. I’m sure this news is killing her. Ugh. Side note: if someone puked by me on a plane I would also puke. Seriously, it’s the chain of puke reaction. Yikes.
That did happen to me on a plane and it was horrific. It was early into a long flight and my husband got to move to first class since it was all over his seat but I had to sit next to it (just across the aisle actually) for hours, while trying to keep my 3 and 4 year old entertained. When I got off the plane the friends who came to meet us were wondering why I looked like such a wreck. Worst flight ever.
And yes I feel nothing but sadness for Lamar. He is killing himself before our eyes.
Wait, your husband just hung out in first class the whole time and left you with the kids?
@Bridget
I was thinking the same thing!!
Yes, yes he did. Still a sticking point 10 years later, believe me!
In fairness, it was his seat (and his pants and shoes a little bit, yuck) that got barfed on but yes he could have offered to trade places with me. I’m sure I probably would have declined because I’m not sure I would have really relaxed in first class anyway, knowing he would be the one dealing with the kids.
I’ve been lucky to not experience this on a plane. I’m curious, how do they deal with the smell? How did that flight now reek of puke all the way from LAX to NYC and who would want to be anywhere on that flight.
Esmom – my heart goes out to you. I would not have been able to deal let alone have to handle the two kids too. I would have puked from the smell .. they should have moved all of you to first class!
Cricket, even though they cleaned up the mess, there was absolutely nothing they could do about the smell. It was overpowering and that’s what made it such a hellish flight. I basically breathed through my mouth for the rest of the flight after that and tried to explain to my kids to do the same.
They couldn’t move all of us to first class because there was only one open seat up there.
Lamar had an incredible chance to make a recovery based on all that Khloe gave to him. Not sure he will get it this next time around. I generally think the Kardashians are…well…not people I think highly of…but I thought they were amazing when he fell apart in Vegas. Khloe did everything right…she even picked up an infection from being at the hospital so much. I mean come on…she was and has been dedicated. He has thrown it away. And so what if he went on the show, he made some money and from what I have seen, was certainly capable of making that decision. Very sad. Doubt they will do it all again for him.
Khloe was more likely to pick up her infection from a gym or other places she frequents than from the hospital. She just said that to get sympathy for being so dedicated 24/7 at his side, it was an unjustified smear of the hospital. The patients are at risk because they get poked with needles etc. and are sick, but visitors are safer there than elsewhere because of the sanitation measures being more intensive than elsewhere. Staph is everywhere in the community. She could have had it lurking in her body long before Lamar’s hospitalization.
She suggests prayer and in the same breath curses as she always does with her foul mouth someone who disagrees with her. She’s full of it.
So following that train of thought, a person who is dealing with an overwhelming emotional situation asks for prayers for a very sick person. Out of frustration from some negative responses to that call for prayers, she curses and thus the call for prayers are invalid? That’s ridiculous.
I think she’s saying Khloe is invalid. My first thought was that her asking for prayers was more about keeping herself relevant than anything else.
I have never seen someone other than Khloe ask for prayers in one breath and then curse someone out with such foul language in the next breath. She has a real problem. Her behavior is not normal past the age of 15.
As someone who has lived with and been abused by an addict, yeah no sympathy. I have no sympathy for selfish a-holes who don’t care how much they are hurting others.
I’m so sorry for the hell you must have gone through. I’m sure dealing with a person who was both an addict and an abuser was a horrible situation that must have impacted you in a profound way. That being said, not all addicts are physically abusive to other people. You may be projecting your experience on others. Addicts or those “selfish a-holes” are very sick people who usually don’t intend on hurting others. I don’t expect other people to want to actively help addicts but maybe just have some sympathy for a person dealing with a life or death struggle. I’m not trying to insult or attack you, I’m sure you experience has left you a bit jaded on the issue and honestly I can’t blame you for it.
Melly, I love you.
Abuse doesn’t always have to be physical. There is a ton of emotional abuse inflicted on those trying to help those with addiction. The guilt of not being able to help, the guilt of what if I say something to make this person drink more thus causing them to drive and cause an accident that may kill/hurt an innocent and not being able to stop it. There is a TON of guilt that leads to emotional abuse. I’ve dealt with an alcoholic father who I gave up my job to try to help – I helped him get sober but as soon as he got his driver’s license back and was no longer under house arrest and was a ‘human being’ again as he proclaimed, it was straight back to his usual pattern and the bar hops. And two years of my life wasted with nothing but the emotional scars and anxiety and pain that I continue to struggle with on a daily basis. My father, he doesn’t give a shit as long as he’s at the bar with his ‘friends’.. none of which visited him once while he was under house arrest and unable to leave his house. I was the one there tending to his every beck and call – getting his groceries, etc.. and to throw gasoline on the fire – I lost someone extremely dear to me on Christmas Eve from a drunk driving accident. So, I respectfully disagree with having to show them constant sympathy dealing with ‘their life struggle’
@Cricket
The emotional abuse you described of not being able to help an addict is not comparable to physical abuse. Physical abuse is a person knowingly and purposefully physically violating another, generally for the feeling of power, control, etc. That is generally the same definition for emotional abuse, except for the “physical” component. The emotional abuse you described is guilt brought on by trying to cope with the chaos that is addiction. I’m an in no way saying the experiences you had with your father’s addiction was your fault or wasn’t really, really traumatic. I have no doubt that what you went through was incredibly rough, and no doubt profoundly impacted you for a long time.
On to the sympathy issue. I never said you should feel “constant sympathy” for an addict. Firstly because addicts are generally really manipulative and will use sympathy to further their drug needs; Secondly because constant sympathy is not helpful in recovery. I only said that maybe you should have some sympathy for someone struggling with addiction.
@Cricket, no one said ‘constant sympathy’ and your father may not be appreciative for what you did, but I applaud you because it is very hard.
I don’t understand why Lamar is in LA still trying to hang on the the Kardashians when he could be with his own biological children. They should be his priority.
Right now, if we are making life decisions for Lamar, his priority should be getting and staying sober. At the moment, he has nothing to offer anyone else. His kids are better off away from any of his drama and messes.
Moving is extremely stressful for anyone, for an addict it’s almost unimaginable. He has his routine and patterns, knows where to get thing, who will use with him, who he can use for money. It’s one of the reasons you are much more likely to stay sober if you move following rehab.
I can think of few things worse for those children than being in close proximity to their father right now.
Addiction kills.
I can’t believe people in this day and age would be so stupid as to think there is something Khloe could be doing to save Lamar from himself.
I don’t see anybody here saying Khloe can do something to get him to stay sober. But she has done many things that are certainly not helping, such as dragging him back into her family drama and under the cameras. They took pictures of him on his potential deathbed!!!! And they keep bleating out all his problems to the world, Khloe is the worst for this. She can’t shut up about it. The Kardashians are using Lamar as a plotline, just as they’ve done to others. And he had specifically asked them not to do that before his overdose. His wishes when he was still reasonably healthy should have been respected. As soon as he was vulnerable and easily manipulated, they dragged him back into it. I can’t imagine that any specialist in addiction would say this is a good thing.
I didn’t mean anyone here. I meant the tweets discussed in the story.
Odom needs to be in a long term rehab facility but that is a decision that can only be made by him.
Khloe has done what she can for Lamar. She dropped everything to be by his side, put her divorce on hold so she could make medical decisions on his behalf and got him the best treatment possible. She rented a house for him and stayed nearby as he eased back into society. She’s not an angel but she did put her life on hold for months and despite his near death experience, Lamar is still drinking and abusing drugs. She truly loved him and while Lamar has been on recent episodes of the show (probably because he needed the money) you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped. I feel sorry for her on that level and hopes whoever she finds next doesn’t have so much emotional baggage. She is moving on which is what she needs to do. Lamar is the only person responsible for himself.
He has been given a 2nd chance at life , it is up to him…
Addiction is just terrible. On some level it’s just in your life everyday and others involved. If she asks for prayers, then pray. It can’t hurt.
Sounds to me like Khloe has done everything she can to help Lamar. He has to want to change and if he doesn’t there is not much she can do. Sad.