Duchess Meghan has healed Harry & William’s relationship with their father

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It’s time for the honeymoon period for the new Duchess of Sussex, both literally and figuratively. Literally, Meghan and Prince Harry will be going on their honeymoon, if they haven’t left already. And for the rest of the year – if not longer – Meghan in particular will be enjoying a honeymoon period with the British press. It’s already started – British reporters and royal-watchers were full of praise for Meg and Harry’s authentic emotions throughout their wedding. They were praised for actually pulling it off so well, especially considering the drama in the week prior with Thomas Markle. And Meghan is being praised and will continue to be praised for the enthusiasm and “sparkle” she’s bringing to her duchess-ing. Don’t believe me? Read this piece by Tom Sykes at the Daily Beast. Meghan is praised up and down, and Sykes even suggests that – GULP – Meghan could actually teach the Duchess of Cambridge a thing or two about hitting the ground running, being truly KEEN, and not treating her duchess role with “sullen resignation.”

The Daily Mail also had a fascinating piece about how Meghan has helped Harry grow closer to his father, and how Charles is quite enchanted with his new daughter-in-law as well. You can read the full piece here. Some highlights:

William & Harry have grown closer to Charles in the past year: The DM’s sources say “that the past few months have seen a remarkable thawing between Charles and Harry – and that the person behind this about-face is the Prince’s new bride, Meghan. William too has been far from deferential towards Charles. Palace insiders say that the Duke of Cambridge has even been known to raise his voice at his father. And when Charles chose to maintain a dignified silence during the 20th anniversary of Diana’s death last year, there was speculation this was an expression of a family rift.”

Meghan is the key to William & Harry repairing relations with Charles: “Meghan has brought with her a new and unexpected dynamic, and not just because she, too, has grown up negotiating a fractured family. More than that, it is her newfound relationship with Charles that is proving to be key. ‘Meghan met Charles and was bowled over by his charm,’ said a family source. ‘She told Harry he was wonderful: welcoming, warm, hard-working kind and stable. She made it clear that he should appreciate him and bond more.’

Charles adores Meg, and he’s been telling his friends about her, saying: ‘She is so intelligent and so nice. She makes Harry happy. We could not like her more.’ Never before had Charles shown so much support towards one of Harry’s girlfriends, and Harry was visibly moved. ‘There has been a wedding bonus for all the family: a sort of mega-watt warming effect,’ said the friend.

Meghan & Charles share the same interests: Meghan has actively charmed her new father-in-law. She consulted Charles about the music for the wedding, while the Prince of Wales has taken time to discuss the complexities of life in ‘The Firm’. It helps that Meghan is fascinated by Royal history – more so than her husband – and sources say she is poring over lever-arch files of notes as she studies the Commonwealth. Charles sees his work ethic and his passion for philanthropy reflected in Meghan, who has campaigned to raise awareness of women’s issues. It will not have escaped his notice that she shares his belief in organic food.

Camilla adores Meghan too: “Camilla, too, has played her part as a sort of ‘super-granny’, dispensing humorous, down-to-earth advice to Meghan. It is understood that the two ‘outsiders’ have become friends – they were seen clasping hands as they greeted one another at the Palace on Tuesday.”

William has noticed that Charles is growing closer to Harry & Meg: “In the days before his work as a full-time Royal, William notably preferred to concentrate his energies on his own young family rather than spend time with his father in the West Country or London. There has been relentless competition and a definite froideur between William’s court and that of Charles. Yet today, even he is said to be defrosting under Meghan’s influence.

[From The Daily Mail]

There’s stuff in there about how the Queen is taking a keen interest in Meghan too, but their only evidence of that is that the Queen’s former aide is giving Meghan duchess lessons, which… I mean, I believe the Queen had a hand in that, but I think it’s more like Meghan understands that she has a lot to learn, and the royal family respects the fact that she’s asking them for help.

As for the rest of it… it’s no secret that Harry and Charles are closer now than they’ve possibly ever been. I never believed that Harry had a deep estrangement from Charles though – William was always the one with a chip on his shoulder about Charles. I think Harry always got along better with Charles in general, which is why Harry introduced Meghan to Charles so early in their relationship. I believe Meghan probably did charm the crap out of Charles, and they probably see a very solid alliance with each other in future years. The William aspect of this is fascinating though, because it reads like… sibling rivalry and jealousy. A little boy who throws a tantrum about mean old daddy and then daddy pays more attention to little brother and suddenly the little boy wants daddy to pay attention to him again! Stomp, stomp, a tantrum is coming.

The newly married Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, leaving Windsor Castle after their wedding to attend an evening reception at Frogmore House, hosted by the Prince of Wales

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  1. KeWest says:

    Kate will not stand for this injustice!

    • milgen says:

      LOOOL!! Kate’s already out and about making sure she’s papped. Highly unusual for her post a new baby….

      • Megan says:

        I think it is Charlotte who will not stand for this injustice. She clearly knew the precise moment to turn toward the camera. 😉

      • MostlyMegan says:

        No kidding, that was such a pap-stroll. Only two photos, so obvious.

      • homeslice says:

        I really liked Kate’s Zara dress, and I love seeing Charlotte and George in regular kids clothes. I have to admit I looked up those Trotters shoes for my own daughter 🙂

      • RoyalSparkle says:

        Yes, Kaiser/ Sykes is spot on.

        Willnot the Little boy’ will be throwing whiny fit at the attention The Prince Henry Sussex Couple has EARNED! Look at waity Dolittle how she has managed to continue to drag herself from hiding – be seen so soon after the baby – which normally take months in hiding/ ignoring Royal Duties as is Willnot .

    • milgen says:

      I personally don’t mind any Charlotte pap strolls. She’s adorable!! More Charlotte please!

      • magnoliarose says:

        I have heart eyes for Charlotte. She is the best thing about the Cambridges.

  2. Sara says:

    Lovely fan fic.

    • Catherine says:

      Lol. Agree.

    • Ms says:

      Right? It’s not like any of them were giving interviews recently, absolutely none of this has come from people who are actually in the know.

    • Harrierjet says:

      @Sara your comment made me smile. I agree, how wonderfully speculative!

    • Jegede says:

      The DM is so, so, full of it.

      Every Saturday, they have a Royal ‘Exclusive’ that’s a 180 from their previous stance

      The Sun is actually a more legitimate read.

      • Tina says:

        That’s because the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday are separate papers with separate editors. They hate each other, and famously find themselves on opposite sides of many issues. That’s why the online coverage seems so crazy.

    • minx says:

      Really. Maybe MM can heal the sick? Make the blind see? The lame walk?

    • KBB says:

      Lol this is laying it on so absurdly thick. I do get a little joy out of how much it must piss off the DM commenters that hate her though.

    • teehee says:

      “Tabloid headline” was the first thing that came to my mind, too. Just fictional…

    • Deedee says:

      I think she should be canonized.

    • Veronica T says:

      Next, Meghan will cure cancer and fund the NIH all with her charm and work ethic!! 🙂

    • Felicia says:

      The British press can be vicious. I just hope they aren’t building her up so they can knock her down.

    • LahdidahBaby says:

      Hey, my favorite part of this whole thread (and I LOVE it even if it may well be fan fic) is this quote from KAISER: “I believe Meghan probably did charm the crap out of Charles.”

      “Charm the crap out of Charles,” the Prince of Wales.

      Kaiser, you are my favorite celeb commentator because of casually tossed off wildly irreverent quotes like this. Please never change your reporting style–I depend on it in this godawful age of Trump.

  3. Lainey says:

    Never understood why people were saying Harry and Charles have repeaired their relationship, there was never a rift. Find it funny though how all of a sudden Will has a better relationship with his dad when just a couple of weeks ago it was as bad as ever.

    • Sherry says:

      All anyone has to do is Google Charles, William and Harry and look at the images. There are some wonderful photos of the three of them; informal and formal which speak of a happy family. I don’t buy into this family rift.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Lainey, ITA. It seemed to me as if Harry and Charles have always had a good relationship. I do think Charles and Meghan get along well, but there was no “rift” between Harry and Charles for her to heal.

      Re: William – didn’t the DM just publish an article less than one month ago about how poor William’s relationship with his father is? The one where it claimed that William only “charmed” Charles when he wanted more money from him? And now this? Give me a break. I realize it’s the Fail, but still.

    • No Doubtful says:

      I completely agree, I don’t know why people buy into that narrative. The boys seem fine with Charles (and Camilla) and they all appear to only want the best for each other.

    • RoyalSparkle says:

      Amen!
      Willnot seem to have been the one who became apart from his pa – after waity and the middletons.

      Princess Henry/Duchess Meghan is smart and has been constant with her mum Doria and no other relative for her professional/adult years. Inviting her extended relatives now as a Royal HRH – is much more critical with constant media scrutiny – would be high risk to The Prince
      Couple – The Firm/BRF.

  4. Really says:

    Girl knows which side of her bread is buttered.

  5. KeWest says:

    Anyway in all seriousness Meghan probably is helping because her family is so messed up.

    Also I am wondering if because her family is so messed up Harry’s family is really embracing her more closely.

    • jwoolman says:

      Also it might help just to bring a new sibling (the sister William never had) into the mix who is comfortable with their dad and sees him in a different light, minus all the baggage that we all carry regarding our parents. The fact that she has had to deal with a lot of baggage herself in other contexts may make for some illuminating private conversations.

      Kate has siblings also, but Meghan just might be a better fit as therapeutic sibling, partly because of her nature but also because she’s not British so she doesn’t carry that particular baggage either. It might just be easier for her to deal with William and the rest as normal people.

      Also William is now the father of three and that can change perspectives also.

  6. beatrixkiddo says:

    Charles is dull and stuffy, but I do think he is interested in his causes, and I do think he likes well-read people.
    She could chat about sustainable farming for a bit, and he’d love her, I’m sure.

    But it all sounds made up, regardless.

    trailing OT…Loveable as Di was, I think her lack of conventional smarts probably annoyed him, as his insistence on facts and figure probably annoyed her…Discuss…

    • Masamf says:

      LOL, @beatrixkiddo, you just reminded me of my Medieval English literature instructor..”Henry VIII wrote a letter to Anne Boleyn beginning with ‘Myne awne Sweetheart, this shall be to advertise you of the great ellingness1 that I find here since your departing, for I ensure you, me thinketh the Tyme longer since your departing now last than I was wont to do a whole Fortnight; I think your Kindness and my Fervence of Love causeth it’,” discuss…….

    • milgen says:

      I always thought Charles was raised to behave old school conservative but had a progressive approach to the world. He just seems like a hyper sensitive, intellectually inclined man. Meghan is smart and educated and very liberal (which of course the Royals will now try to shut down). Didn’t Charles attend Cambridge? Despite their St. Andrews education, W&K don’t appear very smart. Kate can barely speak coherently. Not sure if it’s because of the fake accent or just dullness…. Harry is not book smart. He is charming, though, and, as the youngest who is not waiting around for his father’s imminent death to take over the throne, I can see him being closer to Charles. William always struck me as a spoiled brat. Back to Charles, yeah, he probably thought Diana was an idiot, but their issues had more to do with her emotional problems/clinginess and his detachment/love for Camilla.

    • magnoliarose says:

      I don’t think Charles is stuff at all. I just think he is as LAK put it an Edwardian gentleman. He is a throwback from another time but I don’t think he is dull.

      • milgen says:

        I agree. Also, nobody ever talks about the fact that the Queen was cold and detached from him. Old videos show how much she wasn’t there for him and neither was Philip. Really sad.

  7. Nicole says:

    This reads like bad fanfiction for sure. Never rolled my eyes so hard at this story.

    • Elisa says:

      IMO it’s a mix of trolling the haters and baiting the fangirls (and boys).
      Anyways, I wasn’t commenting much on the Meghan threads so far, but ever since the mess with her dad happened before the wedding, I’m invested. Gossip gold! 😉

  8. Becks1 says:

    Ouch to that daily beast article. I mean it’s what many here have been saying for a while now, but still, it really does lay it out there.

    There is just always a sense with Will and Kate that they would rather be somewhere else when they’re doing royal duties. I think William has been improving in that regard, but there is still this air of….”I’d rather be doing X.” Sullen resignation is a good way to describe it.

    I think as they start being “keen” on work that feeling may go away, but time will tell.

    • Nic919 says:

      I am surprised Sykes went after William and Kate in his article, but he isn’t wrong. They have been lazy from the get go and continue to try and pretend otherwise.

      • LAK says:

        Sykes is always going after William and Kate. He always points out the disparity between their public actions / messaging vs the reality. The incompetence of their team etc. He does not think highly of them.

        However, i think the feeling is mutual or WK don’t think he is important enough to bring into the fold like they did Camilla Tominey.

    • Lady D says:

      I think sullen resignation is an excellent way to describe their attitude when mixing with the public they serve. Resentment is another good R word for them, too.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Becks, Nic919 and LadyD, ITA with all of yo.

        I was also a bit surprised that the Daily Beast article went so hard on W&K, but it was accurate. And refreshing to see what we all know laid out there, TBH.

        I wonder if the adoration of Harry and Meghan will prompt W&K to step it up, or if they will just continue on as usual, knowing that once the Queen passes, they will be set (financially).

      • magnoliarose says:

        I am glad it is out there finally.

  9. anika says:

    Ugh come on. She is charming and I think she will have a great relationship with Charles. But healing Harry’s fractured family – what about her fractured family – is Harry healing her family?
    Everybody loves a narrative of a female helping her poor husband heal.

    • Betsy says:

      Lol. I don’t think they!re going to be spending any time around her family (save Doria and that niece she gets along with so well). No healing will occur there.

    • Jan90067 (aka Imqrious2) says:

      I think she gave up on hers a LONG time ago…probably once her mom was referred to as “the maid”, and her sister’s jealousy became unhinged. Doesn’t seem like there were many pics or gatherings past her HS years, which made her about 17, 20 yrs. ago. Those people are beyond toxic; you cannot “heal” with people like that. You cut ties for your own sanity.

      Meg made the smart move to distance herself and not look back.

      We all wondered about Harry’s remark about being “the family she never had”. Now, at least I, can really understand it.

    • Masamf says:

      Hahaha, y’all wait till you read Vinnie’s latest twitter rant about the royal coat of arms. Vinnie thinks she can bully the RF into giving her a CoA, not gonna happen. Also, there will be no family healing of the Markle family, Meghan and them have never been family in that sense.
      The Daily Fail is full of $h!t, they set up TM Sr. and humiliated the guy and Meghan all to get back at Harry and Meghan and ruin their wedding, now they pretend to like Meg and spew this crap about having any inside info about the RF? Thats just crazy AF. Nobody would get anywhere near that rag, even Piers Morgan said one Harry found out that Meghan and him were communicating, he put the kabbosh on it so fast Piers head spun a million times and he had never forgave Harry for that. No way anyone is spilling to the fail. They just write this kind of stuff so their volatile fans can attack Meghan.
      The Sykes article is really interesting to say the least.

      • Argonaut says:

        Vinnie?? who is that

      • Nic919 says:

        Vonnie is one of Meghan’s half sisters. Samantha is also still being a nut on twitter.

      • Keis says:

        I think it’s autocorrect for Vonnie – Samantha’s nickname or something.

      • Lorelei says:

        Samantha’s given name is “Yvonne Samantha” but she chooses to go by Samantha, so some people refer to her as Vonnie to annoy her (which I find funny!).

        I just realized that both of Thomas’s daughters chose to be known by their middle names instead of their first names. That’s such a coincidence since I don’t think I’ve ever met more than one person in my life who’s done that.

      • Argonaut says:

        wait, so are Samantha and Vonnie different people, or the same? confused by @Nic919’s comment

      • Masamf says:

        Vonnie aka Samantha is Meghan’s half sister. It seems she was called Vonnie (short for Yvonne) while growing up. Meghan, it serms, was named Rachel Meghan but was called and known as Meghan from her childhood. Seems like parents named her Rachel Meghan but chose for her to go by her middle name. All the childhood vids show her friends and family referring to Hera’s Meghan so I doubt the chose to be called that was made by Meghan.

      • Bellecommelejour says:

        They’re the same person @Argonaut … Vonnie is a nickname she got by people online. People who do not like her.

      • Ari says:

        @Lorelei

        Meghan has been going by Meghan since she was born. Her parents called her that. It wasn’t what she picked. It is all she knew.

        Samantha went by “Yvonne” until a few years ago. Her brother called her “Vonnie” in one of his letters to Meghan and on social media he ripped into her calling her by all hervarious names.

        She changed her name back to Markle once Meghan started dating Harry.

  10. Darla says:

    Who knows what’s true here, but IMO it’s not fair to Wiliam. He was the older child in a highly dysfunctional family. I know something about that. Of course he has a different relationship with his father than the baby of the family.

    • Nicole says:

      This too. People love to forget that both Charles and Diana used the kid as a pawn before she died. He got the short end of that stick for sure. He was older, he had a brother to protect and his parents treated him like a toy and a therapist.

      • LT says:

        Indeed. As much as I liked Diana, she was a great example of what NOT to do to your kids after a divorce. I even explicitly told my older son “you are not responsible for MY happiness,” thinking of the Diana nonsense and how she treated William like a peer and not a child.

        I actually believe some of this story. Charles seems like he would be similar to a lot of men I know from that generation: they are so used to people finding them dull that they are thrilled (and charmed) when someone younger pays them any attention at all. Meghan is probably savvy enough to know how to engage Charles and make him feel appreciated. It’s not rocket science.

      • Jegede says:

        @Nicole – Excellently put.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Yes LT I agree with you. What Diana did to William was wrong and his mercurial nature isn’t suited for his role. I think Harry is just naturally more lighthearted and easier but William just isn’t.

    • F says:

      I always felt sorry for William. I also definitely don’t think he’s jealous at all.

      • Jan90067 (aka Imqrious2) says:

        I think William is very happy with Kate’s family dynamic, and the way they are there for each other. So different than his family dynamics growing up. And what parent wouldn’t choose that for his kid over what William went through. I’m sure he keeps a bit of distance for his/their (perceived) protection. As OPs said above, what William had to endure as eldest and confident to both parents was quite different than Harry. It is always there, in you.

      • Natalie S. says:

        The Middletons have their own issues though. There’s a lack of independence there that’s not healthy IMO. Even Pippa who seems the most independent of the three received her opportunities through her sister’s marriage to William and then squandered them. Pippa’s main accomplishment, like Kate, is marrying a wealthy guy. All her career pursuits went nowhere and it’s not for lack of intelligence. There’s entitlement and laziness in the Middleton kids even though they are capable of real drive and determination which we can see in their athletic skills.

        I think William was drawn to that lack of responsibility enabled by the Middleton parents.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I think it would be natural to be jealous. Not a murderous jealousy but a wish that his life wasn’t mapped out with very little room to be an individual. And then his younger brother is a better athlete, easy going, has more options, less pressure and gets to have a life in a way.
        He and Charles should have a lot to bond over but Diana’s ghost lives between them possibly forever.

    • Muffy says:

      Exactly. Being used as a pawn by his parents explains so much about William, and why it seems important to him (and the Queen) that he spend time building up his immediate family. For the monarchy to continue it has to be filled by non-dysfunction. Charles and Diana nearly toppled the monarchy; no one wants to see that again—and that toxicity is a big reason William is the way he is.

    • damejudi says:

      Oh, I so agree! Many accounts detail how Diana made William (a child!) her confidante, and shared with him her version of Charles’s misdeeds.

      Horrible acts of parental alienation, it’s no wonder that William might not still have recovered and found a good relationship with Charles.

      • Darla says:

        Right? I am somewhat surprised he accepted Camillia at all under those circumstances. I think a lot of kids wouldn’t have. He must have had to work at that. He really had to grow up a lot faster than normal. The eldest child in that kind of family dynamic always does. And of course they end up having some issues.

    • Betsy says:

      Yes and no.

      At some point people choose their own path, and William has been given a far wider array of choices than 95% of us. His parents were messed up, but other than the public factor, they weren’t that much worse than some, and they were far less bad than many. Darla, I don’t know your family’s circumstances, so I don’t direct this toward you, but William? William has made a career of shirking his duty. He could choose therapy and to fulfill the amazing chances his position allows him.

      • Darla says:

        Well, I’m fine. But it does change you IMO. And therapy is not a cure all. It molds your personality type. I don’t think there’s any changing that.

      • Nic919 says:

        William also likes how the Middletons, specifically Carole, cater to his every whim as opposed to expecting him to work, like his own family does. E.g. the shadow court and Boxing Day pheasant hunt set up just for him.
        This supposed resentment of Charles wasn’t there when he was a teen. It showed up when William was flaking around as an adult and the excuses for not doing royal duty wore thin.

      • aaa says:

        William is immensely privileged but no way, no how has William been “given a far wider array of choices than 95% of us.”

        Charles and Diana uncoupled very badly and the public aspect should not me minimized, and that is on top of the non-public emotional turmoil that Diana and Charles subjected their sons to.

        William has been allowed to shirk royal work with the support, if not blessing, of his grandmother and father. It appears that they gave William the opportunity to explore his interests, which he has done, and now the time has come for him to do more royal work, so he left the EAAA, relocated to London and has taken on more royal work.

      • Tina says:

        William did more royal work in 2016 than in 2017, despite being “full time” since September 2017. One wonders what the 2018 numbers will be like.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I think he suffers from depression. I am by no means any sort of mental health expert but he just seems weary sometimes and has that look of mental exhaustion from time to time.
        That isn’t an excuse and I think he could do a lot more to help himself.
        I guess I think his situation is complicated.
        Though I do think he is overindulged and not a particularly deep thinker.

    • Argonaut says:

      yep, older children perceive much more that the younger ones are more protected from, maybe both by innocence and other members of the family. i’m 2.5 years older than my sibling and we have very different experiences of and feelings towards our parents’ ugly divorce. i’ve been estranged from my father for 15 years because of the divorce and how he behaved, but my sibling still talks to our father. there’s just so much more i saw and understood, and there’s still a lot i haven’t shared with my sibling about that time because i don’t need to ruin their relationship with our father since it’s separate from mine, and they’ve never tried to convince me to talk to him either.

      it makes perfect sense that william has more difficulties with his father, especially considering diana used him as her confidant.

    • Masamf says:

      No, Charles did not use his kids for anything, and William did not turn out the way he did because of his parents’ dysfunctional marriage. The excuses being made for William bad behavior (if at all any of this true) are just ridiculous. Its like an attorney pleading not guilty by reason of insanity because their murderer client was physically or sexually abused as child, as if every person that was abused just goes around murdering people. William is this way because its who he is, he behaves like this and treats his father like crap because thats the way he wants to be, not because his parents had a dysfunctional marriage.

      • Lizabeth says:

        Agree @Masamf. Will appeared to be a petulant undisciplined child (e.g., Billy Basher, Diana encouraging him to be as naughty as he liked as long as he didn’t get caught.) And he often behaves as a petulant undisciplined adult. I am sure it wasn’t helpful to him to have his parents’ marriage implode the way it did, and I’m sure that affected him. Nonetheless, with or without therapy at some point we all have to take  responsibility for the choices we make as adults. Will is approaching 40 & is the father of 3. Time to step up and stop blaming everyone else whenever he feels unhappy, pressured, put-upon, or trapped in life at the palace.

        I agree with those who say his relationship with Charles appears more strained since he married Kate. I think the Middletons support his petulance and sense of entitlement by catering to him. I also expect Charles put more pressure on Will to do “Firm” work after he married. (Like taking over The Prince’s Trust)

        One thing I’ve always found odd though— it’s widely reported Camilla & Charles used to meet at Amner Hall. Will apparently has no problem living there. I’m willing to bet he could have gotten the Queen to give him a different property if it HAD bothered him. So sometimes I think Will plays the Diana card only whenever he needs to get out from under bad PR. (I don’t mean her death & events preceding that time weren’t awful for him. Of course they were.)

      • LAK says:

        Lizabeth: Further to William + Amner vis a vis Charles + Camilla’s trysting bolthole away from the Palace, William is also besties with the family that were firmly in Charles +Camilla’s corner against Diana. To extent that their son is George’s godfather, their granddaughter was in his bridal party and he is personally firm friends with entire family too.

        Ditto Harry.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I do think it shaped his personality in a way but I think his choices as an adult are all his own.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Given his treatment of KM through the years, William doesn’t have a problem with infidelity and cheating. He only has a problem with how he perceives his parents’ divided attentions took attention from him. The root cause of that divided attention doesn’t bother him, or he wouldn’t have cheated with and on Kate for a decade.

    • jwoolman says:

      Yes, the firstborn often acts as a buffer for the younger siblings so they have a better chance at a normal experience. Plus they have always had an older sibling to talk with about the zaniness. The firstborn spent some time all alone as the only child – even if preverbal, they can pick up the emotional distress. It takes quite a few years before the younger sibling can help the older one in such discussions.

      In William’s case, his mother was also talking to him way too much about her own problems rather than protecting him. It’s a temptation in such situations that even the nicest parents can’t always resist.

  11. horseandhound says:

    as if…

  12. Muffy says:

    The press is building Meghan up, so it will be a long, hard fall. It’s all magic and fairy dust until everyone figures out she’s a real person.

    • kate says:

      Yep, the press loves building up someone and than tearing them apart. Especially women.

    • Guest says:

      The press already attacked her race, work ethic, made her out to be golddigger and made her out to be a skank because gasp…..she dated other men before her marriage. If she works hard and keeps a good head on her then she should be fine. If she becomes like lazy kate and William then shes going to feel the heat worse then they will.

      • Masamf says:

        This right here. And if she turns out to be another Kate and Will, she will have nobody to blame but herself.

    • Jegede says:

      Yeah.

      It’s gonna be Fergie Pt 2.

      And Will will probably be blamed for it. :))

  13. Becks1 says:

    Oh and I can believe that Meghan has helped Harry and Charles’s relationship. I’m not sure it was broken before, but even if it was just strained for whatever reason a new person in the mix can sometimes help.

  14. Elisa says:

    hahaha, this is so OTT! I’m entertained, though!

  15. Digital Unicorn says:

    The Fail had a story yesterday showing Kate with the kids papped at a horse show event looking very much like the hands on Mummy who wears cheap Zara outfits when not on royal duties. Someone doesn’t want us to forget about ‘meeeeeeee’ and the ‘we’re just a normal young family like you’ narrative that they keep trying to push. If William doesn’t complain about these then the pap stroll was organised by them.

    • Cerys says:

      I’m sure there will be a lot of pap strolls with the kids if Aunty Meghan and Uncle Harry are generating too many positive headlines. The Keenbridges are happy to use the children for good PR if it suits them but will whine incessantly about invasion of privacy when it doesn’t.

      • lobbit says:

        So they’re like most public figures in that they want to control how and when their images are used…

    • Argonaut says:

      oh it was approved. it was published as an exclusive and the photos are still up today. just like the recent photos the DM shared of kate in the car park loading her groceries in the car were approved.

      • Muffy says:

        I don’t think it’s think it was an ‘authorized’ photo. If it was a real pap stroll wouldn’t they have taken a pic of Kate’s face? It’s an exclusive because DM bought the photos from the person who snapped the pic.

      • LAK says:

        Muffy: If the Palace didn’t approve, the photos would have been pulled regardless of whether the DM bought them or not.

        And if the pictures can’t be pulled, there is an immediate and very public complaint from William.

        It’s happened many times before.

        This is how they roll.

      • magnoliarose says:

        @LAK

        Exactly. It is their thing. Sloppy PR moves that are painfully transparent are what they do. They are going to be forced to up their game.

      • ShazBot says:

        I think they deliberately don’t do face shots so that it looks like less of a set up, and more just “we caught them being normal”

    • BeeBop says:

      My impression was that the photos were taken with a telephoto lens. Like seriously, I’m pretty sure the photog was 17 miles away for some of those shots, lol.

      • Nic919 says:

        So all their RPOs need to be fired because no one was remotely close in those photos. It was approved because a complaint would have been filed to IPSO if they didn’t want it up there. It remains posted. This was staged.

      • Addie says:

        No, this is staged. The giveaway is that the focus is clear, not grainy. This is the way the cambridge’s roll: they use their kids when they need to pull focus from either their own laziness or from someone else getting good press coverage. No-one puts baby in the corner.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Complete with her hair neatly up in a complex do, not a hair out of place. Nanny hidden. No Palace protest, no yanking of the photos. Obvious PR is obvious and all that.

      • Muffy says:

        It’s not a complex hairdo, it’s a bun maker tool you can buy on Amazon for $6.

      • notasugarhere says:

        However it is achieved it is a hair-do she cannot manage for work but manages for these approved pap shots, at the height of Meghan and Harry in the news…

      • Redgrl says:

        Yes, it was the hair that first made me suspicious too…

      • notasugarhere says:

        The hair, the new dress, the nanny conspicuously out of sight.

  16. Guest says:

    Lol the dailymail is bipolar. “Oooh we love Megha” then 10 mins later “Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahah the royal courtiers put her in Wallis Simmpson rolls royce…cruel joke?”

    I did snicker at Tom’s article though. Hes always been one to throw shade at the royals.

  17. Carrie1 says:

    It’s always ‘healing’ when someone new joins a family if they’re kind, supportive, etc. Give it time. I hope it’s true but this has a tone of building up to ostracize William and I don’t agree with that. He has good reason for feeling conflicted about his father so I tend to avoid weighing in about their relationships mostly.

    A while ago there were reports that Kate was not bonding much with Meghan. If that’s true, this could all be read differently and not in a good way. Ugh. Family stuff is very painful for this particular family.

  18. Linda says:

    Very funny. If any of it is true Meghan is working on and upping her acting skills

  19. Betsy says:

    Sad to say, yes, this is probably fan fiction (well done, though!).

    The kernel of truth in this is that Meghan does seem to be taking this job very seriously. I can totally believe that she’s going deep in prep and research. I have to admit when their relationship was made public, I didn’t give her a lot of credit. I don’t traditionally think of actors as being terribly bright and I assumed she wasn’t, either. But I’ve read one or two accounts in which she was a smart, hardworking student, and she sure seemed to have hustle in her career.

    I am not looking forward to when the press decides to tear her down, but I assume she remembers the arc of Diana’s life – up down up down but always pretty much well liked because she did a good job at her job.

  20. Linda says:

    I think of being a royal as not a job but as a lifestyle of the rich and pampered.

    • Addie says:

      It is exactly that. The ‘work’ element, which is painted as duty, is a mere sop to keep public money rolling in and to be visible and look relevant. All smoke and mirrors.

  21. Jan says:

    The one thing I can agree on is sullen resignation. Kate just doesn’t come across like she really gives a hoot and doesn’t actually want to do any of this. It’s all about the perks and no work.

  22. Sam says:

    They’ve been dragging her for the past year and a half.One positive article isn’t them building her up.At the end of the day,they will continue to drag her and Meghan would continue to stay unbothered

  23. Monica says:

    Honeymoon period from the press LMAO They just put out a story about her husband calling his ex days before their wedding. They have another about the men in grey hating her.
    No don’t believe it. Harry has always had a good relationship with his father. There isn’t any evidence that William and Charles are some how closer now.
    I always felt William’s problem with Charles was that he didn’t do enough to protect Diana. That seems to be a big thing with him is protecting his wife and kids.
    I do believe that eventually we will find out that Kate and Meghan hate each other. Kate doesn’t like sharing the spotlight. She seems like the jealous bitchy type. she just did a staged pic with her kids like look at me, remember me, I’m still here.

  24. Sage says:

    The British media assaulted Meghans character and reputation since her relationship with Harry was exposed. The DM, specifically, has painted her in a very, very negative light. So this OTT piece is as eye rolling as their negative articles.
    The daily beast article is interesting.

    • Violet says:

      @Sage – oh, as others have pointed out, this is the honeymoon phase. They’re not going to spoil the mood now. They do whatever gets clicks. When cracks appear and/or other gossip starts to “leak”, they’ll change in an eyeblink. Sometimes I feel guilty even going to their homepage.

  25. Danielle says:

    I’ve always thought that it would be natural for Harry to be closer to Charles. Harry was so young when Diana died that he would have spent more time with Charles and relied on him more than William who was already in mis mid-teens and probably his own person after being away at school for a number of years.

    • LAK says:

      Firstly, there is a wrong assumption that these men ever had a united family unit and home that they can remember.

      Diana and Charles unofficially separated in 1986. That year, Diana started living exclusively at their KP home which she redecorated to remove all traces of Charles. Likewise Charles lived exclusively at Highgrove which he decorated to remove all traces of Diana.

      William and Harry would have been 4 and 2 at the time.

      Further, William and Harry were sent to boarding school at 8yrs old so they didn’t witness most of the acrimony though they probably read about it in the papers.

      Prior to that, Diana confided in William all the things a child should never know about their father and the relationship between his parents especially when it’s framed to favour one parent.

      In that respect William was more damaged than Harry, but they both spent less time with either parent despite than the public narrative.

      • Elisa says:

        LAK, you are a fountain of knowledge. Do you know all this stuff by heart or look it up?
        Anyways, I always enjoy reading your comments because they are so insightful and connect the dots for me. :*

      • LAK says:

        Elisa: Memory of an elephant. And a photographic one too which means i recall things easily.

        That said, people’s comments spark a memory and i respond accordingly.

      • notasugarhere says:

        LAK, thank you for this. So few remember that C&D were essentially separated for most of those years AND the boys were away for the War of the Waleses.

  26. Tania says:

    Agreed! Having a terrible childhood is not a valid excuse to being a fully functional adult who is granted all the privileges of this man baby.

    Make excuses all you want for his childhood but do not use it as a crutch for someone who will be 40 soon and is a lazy royal welfare child.

  27. Jessica says:

    Pushing the magical negro trope for the first year until they ramp up the racialized attacks for breathing the wrong way.

  28. BeeBop says:

    The musings of the article read like a long Internet comment. Pointless.

  29. lobbit says:

    I guess Meghan’s so-called honeymoon period with the British press is the kind one would expect of an abusive relationship…

  30. Starryfish says:

    Watching the wedding coverage from British networks was really fascinated me (ITV in particular), it was quite evident that many of the commentators were struggling to not have W&K come out looking too unfavorably in the comparisons they were making to H&M, a lot of euphemisms being used to talk about W&K’s comparative stiffness with one another and the public, and their lack of dedication to the job part of things. How the press decides to cover these pairings going forward is going to be really interesting to see.

  31. Bridget says:

    Ugh. On 2 accounts – 1 the DM cashing in on all the pro Meghan sentiment even after being a part of the debacle with her Dad, and 2 being that there’s no way any human being could possibly live up to this kind of hype.

    • LAK says:

      Putting aside the media’s agenda, it’s interesting this go round that the public is more sceptical or cautiously optimistic unlike with Kate whose OTT PR was treated as the gospel truth.

      People are ready to call out the media’s hypocrisy this time too.

      • Bridget says:

        I like Meghan, but no one could ever live up to “she’s so amazing she healed all the family rifts”. And it feels unfair to try to set someone up to hold an impossible standard.

      • LAK says:

        Better than ‘She’s so amazing she will save the monarchy’ which is what Kate got.

        I think Diana was such a blockbuster mover of copy that in their haste to recreate the glory days, they use this OTT hyperbole to try to trick the public into going along so they can sell as much copy as they used to do.

        I hope for her own sake that Meghan ignores the personal media like this. The good AND the bad. Believing the media hype is a road that should be avoided at all costs because no good has ever come from it.

  32. All About Eve says:

    Meghan’s relationship with her own father has blown up in spectacular fashion,
    but we are now to believe that her magical powers has healed the rift between Charles & his two sons?!

    I needed a good laugh for today!!!

    One would think that if she was going to spend time healing family rifts, then surely she should start with her own.

    • Janie says:

      Bang on!

    • Masamf says:

      @All about Eve, Meghan’s family is her mother, and there’s nothing to heal there.

      • All About Eve says:

        @Masamf, Meghan’s family is not just her mother and no amount of airbrushing will change that. Just two weeks ago her father was supposed to walk her down the aisle but now the narrative has conveniently changed.

        The point being made was to highlight the ridiculousness of this story that portrays Meghan as healing the family rift of her in laws, while the rift in her family has continued to escalate.

      • Natalie S. says:

        What narrative has changed? We knew that she cared about him but seemed to have a closer relationship with her mother. Thomas Markle was invited to walk her down the aisle and then we watched a demonstration of the dynamics that may have lead to Doria leaving so soon after the marriage.

        Nobody places responsibility on Meghan for the Markles’
        behavior, do they? She’s not in control of them. The Markles have nothing to do with the Windsors.

        There’s nothing to say Meghan didn’t help Harry get some perspective on what we can all see: that Charles is supportive and turns up for his sons. Harry didn’t earn or accomplish that and he’s lucky to have it and maybe Meghan pointed that out.

    • Natalie S. says:

      That doesn’t make any sense. If you’re from a troubled family, you shouldn’t help your spouse with his family?

      Maybe Meghan has excellent perspective and experience because of her dad and his family?

    • Lady D says:

      For the sake of her sanity, Meghan should start by cutting the toxic members of her family out. Many have needed to do that for the sake of their health, should Meghan be so different?

      • notasugarhere says:

        So logical Lady D. Perhaps too logical for here. She cut out the toxic family members years ago, as many have or should.

        Nor am I buying any stories about her healing the non-existent rift between Charles and Harry. She’s a new DIL, one who isn’t pushing Charles and Camilla away and clinging only to her birth family. We’ll see what happens from here.

    • Amelie says:

      As dysfunctional as the BRF is, they do not run to the nearest press outlet to give on camera interviews slamming their family members like Meghan’s sister and extended family have done since it was revealed she was dating Harry. I know there are conspiracy theories of the BRF feeding stories to British news outlets (such as William throwing Harry “under the bus” for more flattering media coverage which I don’t really buy into) about each other but I don’t believe half of those. There have been public instances such as Diana’s Martin Bashir interview/the Andrew Morton book and whoever leaked the Camilla/Prince Charles tapes (most likely Diana?? In fact most of the public shaming can be associated to Diana). But getting in front of a live TV camera and going after each other is not something they usually do.

      Both families are dysfunctional definitely. But Meghan’s extended family is its own reality show and the rift hasn’t escalated due to anything Meghan did or said. Her family members are just leeches who can’t go two seconds without media attention.

    • E says:

      Couldn’t agree more!

    • Olenna says:

      Most people take celebrity gossip and tabloid news like this with a grain of salt. And, most people realized months ago there is nothing positive to done with the Markle clan’s behavior outside of psychotherapy, which I believe Meghan isn’t qualified to do.

    • magnoliarose says:

      You make no sense. The article is obvious nonsense for the most part but your comment is ridiculous. It isn’t her job to make her barely there trashy relatives better people. It has nothing to do with her marriage or her relationships with her new family.
      Maybe because she understands dysfunctional families it is important to try to get along well with her new one.

  33. Jenfan says:

    For Megan this is the realization of a dream and the role of a lifetime as an actress. She is embracing it and enjoying every minute. For Will and Kate – I believe she loves him – not the job. I wonder what her intended profession was before she met Will.

    • Natalie S. says:

      Well, seeing as Kate went all the way to Chile to meet Will, I think her intended profession was Will. Being the girlfriend and then the wife of the heir to the throne.

      • Ollie says:

        Kate and William had already met years before the Chile trip. Back when they still were in school they had mutual friends. It was confirmed by a friend just a few years ago.

        The story that she tried to meet him in Chile and later St. Andrews is wrong. It’s just still believed because the truth contradicts the beloved stalker narrative by Kates “special fans”.

      • Natalie S. says:

        Oh, Kate stalked him. It was confirmed that she switched universities. They did met at Club H through Emilia and then Kate placed herself in William’s path.

        All that being said, I do agree that William could have run into Kate a thousand times and that would not have guaranteed anything happening. They clearly have a really strong bond. I’m not in the group that thinks William doesn’t love Kate. But Kate gave herself her best shot of that happening.

      • liriel says:

        I agree with Natalie. She stalked him, ok, but her chances were slim. For me her attitude was “I’d give it a good shot”, she knew she could easily meet up with him, so there was a good shot but she had a competition and she won. But I wouldn’t be too hard on her, many girls did the same thing. Because William was gorgeous back then and he was a prince. Oh those time. For them it just didn’t work. (Remember how many application St Andrews got after they admitted William would be enrolled). I think Kate genuinely loves Williams. The perks too but you know, the sweet young love to a prince, who would let such it go? Ok, Chelsy. Honestly now we see Kate is about sport, her kids and she is genuine. Meghan might use and enjoy attention the way Kate doesn’t because I totally think that at best Kate is sometimes introvert, sometimes extrovert but she totally isn’t “talk about me, me, me”.

    • notasugarhere says:

      You honestly think Kate Middleton and her family would have put up with William’s cheating, cheapskate ways, and constant disrespect of Kate for a decade if he was Billy the Plumber?

      • TheOriginalMia says:

        IKR! No way was Carole going to let William get away. No matter what he did/does to Kate, Carole will make sure Kate puts up and shuts up.

    • Rhys says:

      My thoughts exactly. Markle thrives and will be thriving since this is more than anything she ever hoped she could achieve as a celebrity. Middleton, not so much. As to what Kate was planning to be before she met Wills, probably look for a suitable (rich, decent looking, nice, maybe titled even if she were lucky) match and become a wife and a mother.

  34. jferber says:

    I haven’t even read the article, but I believe this on sight. I don’t know if anyone has admitted to stanning for Meghan yet, so let me be the first. I am her stan. Nothing magical she could do would amaze me.

  35. SheBug says:

    They always had a good relationship, though?

  36. Mego says:

    re Kate I don’t think her royal duty comes easily for her perhaps due to temperment and lack of ambition. She has spent the last years having and rearing children and is focussed on that rather than duty. I think it is unfortunate that, in her waity years , she didn’t think about what aspect of her royal role would be fulfulling for her and work on a plan. She is not a self starter and that is being reflected now. It took several years but Diana really came into her own and did some really incredible work. It’s easy now to underestimate her sitting and holding hands with men who had aids but that was truly amazing give the fear around aids at that time. Even poor old Fergie brought a lot of joy and comfort to people connected to her patronages like motor neuron disease. It’s about getting out there and making human connectons at the end of the day.

    • LAK says:

      It took several years for Diana to find her own voice, but she was out there working from her honeymoon onwards, with Charles and by herself.

      The Cambridge PR talking points tend to downplay Diana’s work record or the Queen in her early marriage in order to justify Kate’s lack of a work ethic, but the national archives disprove that theory if one cares to look.

      Diana carried out 170 engagements in her first year of marriage and managed to have William too. She carried on with this pace and more in subsequent years, had children inbetween until she found her voice with that AIDS patient and could craft an image for herself separate from the royal family.

      Kate has never managed those sorts of numbers in any year, or created a separate identity for herself. Excuses have been given since before she was married for her lack of a work ethic.

      The one job she held bent over backwards to give her the easiest mutually agreed schedule possible with as much time off as she wanted at any moment and she still couldn’t cope with it. She resigned to get more time to herself according to her boss.

      As a royal, new excuses are made every few months and PR employed to tell the world she’s keen to work, but there is no follow through on the trumpeted intentions.

      It’s been more than a decade since this woman left university and became a lady of leisure. Her kids are another plausible convenient reason why she’s not working, but she’s never had any ambition in that direction.

      And if she wasn’t accepting full time perks from taxpayer funding, it would be perfectly fine. Same goes for William.

      • Green Girl says:

        Great points as usual, LAK. If Kate really wanted to, yeah, she could do so much more right now. No one is asking her to work 80-hour weeks!

        I do think Kate would have been far better off marrying a random aristocrat, so she could have the life of wealth without having to put in an appearance at charity functions and the like.

      • Rhys says:

        @LAK I’m starting to feel very jealous of Kate. Honestly. To be able to afford not to work ever and live in such luxury. An so what if the media is talking? A couple of pictures with the kids on a pony and all is well again! Btw, that cheap dress from ZARA is laughable – she so obviously bought it for this photoshoot. 😀
        The people are paying for her lifestyle and so far nothing the media has through at them made the Brits stop sending checks to her bank account. They supporting their royals and that’s the way it is, whether its stupid or not.

        I still wonder why her parents didn’t insist on her “full-time” work with Party Pieces? She did work there for a while, she should’ve continued. That way no one would have been able to say she is a lazy person. She might be lazy but she also might be not be very ambitious career wise. Which is not a sin. She is just luckier than others, who don’t want to work but can’t afford it.

      • Claire says:

        They didn’t t want another Diana fiasco that’s why she was kept out of the limelite LAK. Just like Meghan had to shut down her blog and various other PR. Calling her lazy is so wrong! People who dislike the Royals or her always say this. It’s monotonous!

      • aaa says:

        As Princess of Wales Diana hit the ground running and performed brilliantly but she also made it known that she was thrown in the deep end and was not given adequate support or positive reinforcement. Of course there could be “other sides of the story” but these were Diana’s feelings.

        One of Diana’s mouthpieces, Andrew Morton, said that Diana’s royal work assignments, including charity work, left her feeling like a prostitute. Diana, while performing the prescribed royal duties brilliantly, formed her own ideas about royal work that differed from how things were being done, Diana believed in fewer patronages and focused efforts on those patronages and in 1996 downsized from almost 100 patronages to six. Basically William and Harry have rejected the royal work model set by the Queen and her children and adopted the Diana model.

        When it comes to Kate, IMO she has found her niche as a royal, namely mental health and the wellbeing of children, but she is not nor has she ever been a go-getter. To me it looks like the Britiish taxpayers are fine with the Cambridges not having great work ethics, their ability to breed photogenic children seems to their expected role at the current time and they are performing that duty in a more than satisfactory manner.

      • liriel says:

        I agree with Claire. Kate was a big hit with media, she turned out to be obedient though and spelt just enough to earn the BRL approval. Let’s not forget she’ll be queen consort so she’ll have to work. In the last few years she birthed 3 kids, done her royal duty which is giving heirs. Naysayers were saying she was too skinny for that. I’ll see what happens in the next few years. I believe if Meghan was a future queen consort they’d try their best to not overexpose her. Kate is perfect for the firm – gives off friendly, a bit shy, motherly vibe.

      • Natalie S. says:

        How can Kate not be a go-getter when I have been told repeatedly about how keen she is?

        Kate isn’t obedient. Let’s give her credit there. She has clearly forged her own path when it comes to the things that matter to her. Honestly, it is a major change that they now alternate Christmas with her family.

        Kate and William set their own schedules. This is not an obedience thing. It is a feat that they’re accomplishing this with minimal blows to their popularity though a lot of this is due to the protection of Liz’s stability and as a reaction to Charles’ unpopularity.

      • LAK says:

        Claire: Several things
        1. Her own Jigsaw boss talked about Kate’s work ethic in an interview that was designed to draw sympathy for Kate.

        2. Her fed up Jigsaw colleagues talked to reporters about her lack of a work ethic. Ditto charity workers trying to get her to work with them on various charity endevours.

        3. She was not kept out of the limelight. They built her up to stratospheric heights in terms of what she was going to do work-wise as a royal wife, and she turned around and refused to work after the wedding, and thus was the Malta lie born. Followed by the ‘Queen gave her 2yrs off’ lie. Followed by the ‘having children’ lie and currently it’s ‘she waiting to be PssoW’ lie.

        Btw, one of her often touted excuses for not working during the dating years was waiting for her royal marriage because then she could work.

        The Palace has been aware of her need to work because they periodically send out ‘this is the year / season she’s finally going to start working and she’s super keen’ articles.

        3b. So notorious was Kate’s refusal to work that first year that the Palace publicly stated they were coming up with ideas about how to make her private meetings public so that it would count towards her numbers.

        4. Social media was not a thing back in the 00s. It really took off after Kate became a royal in 2011-ish. Kate kept herself in the media the old fashioned way via media surrogates, Hello magazine exclusives and gushing articles about how wonderful she was. The Middletons a media advisor and befriended many editors including the editor of the mail on sunday.

        5. When Kate married William, wearing the ring of doom as her engagement ring, there was a huge outpouring of goodwill and many, many articles written about how she was going to save the Monarchy. And a chance to turn her into Diana2.0. Her media was so OTT that you knew there was some trolling involved. Which turned out to be the case because a columnist let the cat out of the bag and publicly said that William had asked all the editors to write ONLY positive things about Kate.

        6. William was really aggressive in those early years about the media narrative and shutting down anything that went against that. Lawyers were involved, not just complaints to PCCC – as it was known then. That shut down most of the critical articles.

        7. Liriel, i hate to be that person, but Kate always puts on weight when she’s planning a baby. If you pay attention, she puts on weight afew months ahead of each pregnancy.

        8.Rhys: Pippa gave a self-promoting interview to the Sunday times around 2010 before the engagement. During the interview, the reporter asked her about Kate’s work at PP. Pippa couldn’t answer the question. By that i mean that she didn’t refuse to answer the question, but struggled to formulate an answer though she tried several times.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Having children is not a royal requirement. Go look at the official website of the BRF; childbearing is no where on there. There are 5,000 people in line to the throne; W&K did not have to have kids as part of their “job”.

        Royals and courtiers have said multiple times on-and-off record that royals set their own work pace. They weren’t easing Kate in, not wanting another Diana, or any of that hogwash. Kate and William choose to be this lazy. No one who is bone deep lazy as W&K is good for the firm.

        Neither Kate nor Meghan is another Diana, thank goodness as the world doesn’t need or want one. It doesn’t matter if Kate is boring; it matters that she never Gets the F*ck to Work.

      • notasugarhere says:

        To add 8a to LAK’s great list. The person who took the photos for the web and catalogue for PP was credited – and it wasn’t Kate, it was Mille P. She was also hired by the Middletons to do the private photos of W&K’s reception, plus given the go-ahead to do a pro-Middleton, W&K are so in love interview to the press detailing what happened at the reception. Middletons way of helping her launch her own wedding photo business in exchange for keeping quiet about all the years Kate didn’t work at PP but pretended to?

      • LAK says:

        AAA: Firstly, Diana was offered all the help like Meghan is currently receiving help. Diana rejected it all to go her own way. The lady assigned to her was the Queen’s own LIW, Lady Susan Hussey.

        That Andrew Morton book is not worth the paper it’s written on because it’s well known that Diana didn’t want an investigative journalist, nor someone who might criticise or investigate any of her story. She wanted a stenographer/ ghost writer.

        She was looking for a way to get her story out that put all the blame of her marriage on Charles and none on herself.

        To that end, there are quite a few lies and or exaggerations including the idea that she was thrown in at the deep end and given no help.

        But Diana was the type of person who had to have everything her way or nothing. Who would then claim that no one helped her simply because their way wasn’t her own and in her mind that negated any contributions.

        And it was written at her lowest ebb. A depressed or angry Diana was dangerous because she became malicious and spiteful to people around her and that book was written with maximum malice towards the royals and especially Charles.

        To be clear, i’m not suggesting that she was handled perfectly or that she had no right to her own feelings, but that particular book is not a good source of her story even if they are her own words.

      • Claire says:

        Now you’re making things up LAK or repeating DM gossip. Kate was harassed. That is fact! The rest is gossip. If William shut it down who can blame him? Look what happened to his mother. Why do you think Harry came out and spoke up for M? She will be no different.

      • Rhys says:

        @LAK I looked the article up: “So, how does it feel, working with her parents? “You can read what everybody does on the website.” – which you can’t really

        and then

        her PR suggests suggested she dresses on Boden and Pippa happily chats away about their aspiration to get “an official tie-up with them.”

        How marvelous! And how did they give such an open interview? I thought they were always silent, trying not to hurt Kate’s chances.

        Yet, they shouldn’t have worried. I’m with (who was it from Vanity Fair or The Daily Beast?) the author of an article suggesting that at the end it couldn’t be anyone but Kate for many reasons.

      • LAK says:

        Claire: Please take it up with the boss of Jigsaw. These are her words. Not mine. And that interview wasn’t to the DM.
        https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/kates-not-precious-she-mucked-in-at-jigsaw-6922185.html

        As for the harassment, the Jigsaw boss, the owners of bars, clubs and restaurants are on record about their offers to help Kate navigate a life with fewer paps, and she turned them down, refused to use the discreet pap-free exits/ entrances. All the better to cry harassment i suppose. Very plausible reason to quit work, if not partying.

        Finally i am not criticising William for shutting down the media, i am pointing out that the glowing narrative around Kate wasn’t spontaneous. It was manufactured and enforced with lawyers and a lean on editors to write positive articles about Kate.

        You can decide on whether that’s a good thing, but know what it is you are applauding.

        And invoking his mother is ridiculous when she repeatedly invaded her own privacy and colluded with the media and egged them on as well as getting rid of her RPOs who could have solved the problem because she didn’t get harrassed until after she got rid of them. And refused to take them back when the Palace offered to stop the harassment.

      • Claire says:

        Those articles prove nothing. How objective was the writer? We can twist words and gossip to suit ourselves. Doesn’t mean it’s fact.

      • Natalie S says:

        Kate, like Diana and many other royals, has both used the paps and been harrassed by them. And it is fact that the owner of Jigsaw said that Kate would deliberately get her picture taken by the paps.

        In terms of Kate being lazy, the narrative around her has changed over the years to justify her numbers. Remember the secret charity visits excuse? Now criticism of her is being anti-mothers and family time.

        Maybe it’s closer to accurate to say Kate is apathetic about royal work but it seems acknowledged by everyone now that it’s never been her priority and she has nothing to point to after university to show that work has ever been a priority to her. This is a person content to live off tax payer money without doing much to anything to earn her own way.

        Kate is not controlled. We are seeing her decisions. Someone being controlled would not have been allowed to turn down the Irish Guards. William would not have been allowed to turn down The Prince’s Trust.

      • LAK says:

        Claire: Since you find the links quoting the Jigsaw boss, the Sunday times quoting Pippa and Taki, a man whose social circle is the European royals and spends summers with Charles’s family unreliable, how about you post links supporting your thesis that Kate was held back, isn’t lazy and is horribly maligned by us.

        After 15yrs of observable behaviour, I’m more than happy to be proven wrong in my conclusion. That Kate is secretly a worker bee and I’m just looking in the wrong direction when she’s at the coalface.

      • Nic919 says:

        If the argument is that Diana had to work too many engagements at first but Kate needs to be protected, then why didn’t Sophie get protected as well? Sophie worked more engagements the year she almost died giving birth to Louise than a Kate ever has. Kate’s best year is just a bit over 100 engagements, many of them including things like getting in and out of the plane during tours. Since Sophie will never be queen consort then why would she be “thrown to the wolves”? The answer is that Kate remains lazy and William is lazy as well so they work well together in that aspect.

      • aaa says:

        @LAK,
        I am aware that Diana was given assistance by Baroness Hussey and others and rejected their advice and guidance, but that does not negate the fact that Diana’s feelings were that she was not given adequate support nor positive reinforcement and she made that known.

        William, Harry and Kate are three of the most visible royals, and William and Harry seem to have embraced Diana’s views about royal work, which don’t align with the royal work that she actually performed in her early years and you extolled.

        The underlying analysis of Diana’s state of mind and the quality of the Morton book aren’t the point, Diana’s expressed feelings and the influence that they have had on her sons are what’s relevant.

  37. E says:

    It seems as though pretty much everyone on this page is a Meganstan – I wonder why no one addresses the grilling with Meghan video.

  38. Jayne Birkinb says:

    Weren’t the press going after William a few weeks ago because he was only nice to Charles when he needed more money (renovations at KP and Anmer etc)?

    DM wants clicks on their royal articles, and they will print whatever tall tales necessary to get them.

  39. Leyton says:

    This is a stretch.

    For one, Harry has never been the one with the problem concerning Charles. Everyone knows William and Charles have a very stressed relationship. I doubt Meghan is going to heal years of tension between the two of them. With that said, I do think she and her mother gave Charles some much needed goodwill. His actions towards her and her mother provided him with some of the best PR he’s seen in decades.

    I also do believe that Charles and Camilla both like Meghan. That much is evident and I think Charles is happy to have someone who is interested in similar things as him but who also wants to talk with him about it.

  40. Brittany says:

    “A little boy who throws a tantrum about mean old daddy and then daddy pays more attention to little brother and suddenly the little boy wants daddy to pay attention to him again! Stomp, stomp, a tantrum is coming.”

    Not sure exactly what is meant by this comment? William was very close to his mom and remembers a bit more about everything than Harry does. I completely understand having a fractured relationship with Charles. I don’t have a good relationship with my dad and it’s not because I’m throwing a tantrum. Relationships are complicated. If Meghan (and Harry) help William mend fences with Charles I’m not sure why that’s a bad thing. I am a huge Diana fan but she told William a lot more than he should have known as a child and that would mess up anyone.

  41. MavenTheFirst says:

    Looks like the Passing of the Halo to me. Clearly someone greedily needs another St Diana.

  42. TheOriginalMia says:

    William was a petulant child, who was rarely disciplined. He’s now a petulant adult, who has been allowed a lot of leeway to be as lazy as he wants to be lest he throw a tantrum. I doubt Meghan can heal what ails Charles and William.

    As for Harry, Charles and Harry have always had a good relationship. Are they closer now? Probably. Harry has matured a lot. He’s more like Charles in his philanthropy. He accepts his role in the family and willingly does his duty by the Queen. As for Meghan. Of course, Charles is going to be closer to her. He has a more open and welcoming relationship with Harry. She and Charles share similar interests. She wants to work. She has shown she wants supports not only Harry, but the Queen. And Charles showed he can be there for her by escorting her down the aisle and being welcoming and inclusive of mother.

    • Muprhy says:

      Yeah, I believe Meghan has/could have an impact with Harry but there’s nothing she can do with William, he’s a big baby and there’s not much anyone can do about it.

  43. Jenny says:

    Now I just feel bad for Meghan. The higher the media builds her up the harder the fall is going to be. I feel like people are trying to nominate her for sainthood and it’s just not going to end well. It never does. Diana was not a saint, Meghan is not a saint. Just let her do her job and get on with it.

  44. Nibbi says:

    Dunno ’bout the veracity of all this.

    I do know though that a new member of a family- typically a woman, in my experience- can definitely change certain relationships or even the general vibe of family stuff. My sister-in-law has improved my relationship with my brother. I feel like she is some sort of neutral, reasonable, sweet balm to my family and she’s become a moderating, calming, friendly influence for years now. Bless her.

    If this is actually true of Meghan or could or will be, bless her, too.