‘Sex & the City 2’ premiere pics – also, is the film offensive to Muslims?

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Here are the photos from last night’s big Sex and the City 2 premiere in New York. Just a couple of fashion/style/observational notes: Kim Cattrall looks very pretty, but she’s started wearing too much makeup in general; Kristen Davis was styled to look like Elizabeth Taylor, as she was often enough in the television series; I think Liza Minnelli was wearing a foil suit(?); and Cynthia Nixon looks a little boring, but pretty. But of course the “star” came, with her husband. I have to say, Matthew Broderick put on his best “I f-cking hate every minute of this” grumpy face and somehow forced himself to walk the red carpet with a neon-clad Sarah Jessica Parker. SJP’s dress isn’t terrible, I just don’t think the color is appropriate. Meaning it hurts my eyes.

In other SATC news, I just want to say, for the record, that I saw this “controversy” coming a mile away. I even talked about it in April, when a longer trailer for Sex and the City 2 came out and I was put-off by the sight of four horny cougars sitting around guzzling liquor in the middle of the Middle East. Well, now that reviewers have gotten a glimpse of the full movie, some are making even more specific comments about how this film could offend many Muslims, mainly because these are “emancipated” Western women in the heart of the Middle East (Morocco, standing in for Abu Dhabi), interacting cartoonishly with Muslim men and women. Here’s The Daily Mail’s take:

The premiere is still days away, but Carrie Bradshaw and the ladies of Sex and the City are already causing a controversy – after being accused of being ‘anti-Muslim’. Sex And The City 2 will find the four friends travelling from their beloved New York to the far-flung sand dunes of Abu Dhabi on an all-expenses paid jolly, thanks to the irrepressible maneater Samantha Jones.

However, the first review of the long-awaited film, which opens in the UK on Friday, has revealed how the Manolo-wearing, Chanel-loving fashionistas get caught up in some outrageous moments while in the Middle East.

One scene even features Carrie, played by Sarah Jessica Parker, Samantha (Kim Cattrall), Charlotte York Goldenblatt (Kristin Scott) and Miranda Hobbes (Cynthia Nixon) , being rescued by Muslim women who strip off their burqas to reveal the stylish Western outfits they are concealing beneath their black robes.

While in another moment, the ladies perform a karaoke version of Helen Reddy’s I Am Woman in an Abu Dhabi nightclub, as Samantha shocks the locals with her sexual escapades.

Officials in the United Arab Emirates had already denied the production team permission to film within the city – as did Dubai – and instead the Abu Dhabi scenes were recreated in Morocco. Writer and director Michael Patrick King admitted: ‘Abu Dhabi was like: ‘You know, the UAE is not really ready to have four sexually liberated American girls filmed here’.’

The review, by industry bible, the Hollywood Reporter, reveals that Carrie and her friends ‘run up against the puritanical and misogynistic culture of the Middle East.’

It says: ‘The rather scathing portrayal of Muslim society no doubt will stir controversy, especially in a frothy summer entertainment, but there’s something bracing about the film’s saucy political incorrectness. Or is it politically correct? SATC 2 is at once proudly feminist and blatantly anti-Muslim, which means that it might confound liberal viewers. These endearingly loopy scenes exhibit the tasteless humour that enlivened the TV series on its best nights.’

Speaking about the storyline, Miss Cattrall, 53, insisted: ‘To transport these emancipated new-millennium women to a world that has not changed, in a lot of ways, since Biblical times was a fascinating idea. You’d think a Muslim country would not embrace a show like this, but they loved Samantha, they loved the show, they understood what we were doing.’

Despite her comments, however, Abu Dhabi is currently considering whether to ban the film. In 2008 the UAE, where kissing, nudity and expletives are routinely weeded out, refused to show the first film. So far, a decision has not been reached as to whether the movie will hit UAE screens, but with Abu Dhabi currently marketing itself as an emerging force where film production is concerned, its sensitivity is unlikely to encourage the big names of Hollywood.

Mr King said: ‘We didn’t kid around. We really went there and made a big old-fashioned Hollywood movie, but hopefully with a current sensibility involved.’

[From The Daily Mail]

Now, is much of Muslim culture “puritanical and misogynistic”? In my opinion, yes. But if I was in Abu Dhabi, I would respect their culture because I would be a guest, and, you know, I wouldn’t feel like getting stoned (literally, beaten with stones, not “high”). My fear is that Sex and the City 2 is less a triumph of “liberated American women” showing Muslim women how to be emancipated, and more of “ugly Americans” who just go to other countries to order hamburgers and scream at people who don’t speak English. My other fear? That this “liberation” that the SATC ladies offer Muslim women is a consumer-driven emancipation. As in, “We all have the right to wear Monolos! Yay sisterhood!” rather than “We have the right to vote, drive, work, and use birth control, and none of these things is a punishable offense.”

And can I just say something else… if these ladies had said or done something that reviewers considered offensive to Muslims while they were in New York City, I don’t think it would be a big deal. They are New York girls, and there would be American standards of “women’s liberation” at play. I think the criticism mainly stems from the fact that they are American women in the Middle East. I still don’t know why the f-ck the writers decided to set a large chunk of the movie in Abu Dhabi. It just seems so random.

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SATC premiere in NYC on May 24, 2010. Credit: WENN.

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  1. Dobben says:

    I think they all look great.

    Your poor eyes… [rolling mine]

  2. Hautie says:

    I love all their dresses. No one is wearing anything too young or too edgy.

    The only odd thing I find with Kim C. face is the unfortunate color of lipstick she wore. A nice matte color would have not looked too harsh. Shiny red lipstick is never the correct choice.

    Does Kristen or Cynthia really age? They both are still great looking girls. In great fitting dresses.

    LOVE Chris Noth. Looks great.

    Whomever convinced him to have the eye work done needs a bonus. (done for the 1st movie) Between the eye work, hair dye and losing 30 pounds… he looks great. And looks great on his CBS show he does too!

    Poor Matthew. He must have lost a bet. But it is nice to see him come out and support her.

    As much as I hate to say this… since I do not tend to think blonde hair is great… but…. SJP looks 10 years younger with her blonde hair.

    SJP natural color just make her look old and tired. And whomever convinced her to stop wearing all the gray/black eye shadow… they deserve a big bonus too! haha!

  3. SammyHammy says:

    If the film is offensive to Muslims (or anyone else), then I suggest they don’t see it.

  4. Snarf says:

    This is going to go down as a classic example of “What were they thinking?!”

  5. Lilias says:

    It’s an American movie for an American audience. Sure it appeals to some other people but if film producers were scared to offend anyone, movies just wouldn’t get made. This film and the show are not and were not targeted towards people who follow beliefs that are completely the opposite of what the show was. My mom was offended by it and she doesn’t even go to church. She just thought they were all whores.

    I liked the show and I liked the first movie and I’ll go and see the second.

    By the by: Chris Noth looks delish and do I spy his hand on his wife’s tush?

  6. kelbear says:

    Dobben I was going to say the exact same thing! They all look great!

  7. Shay says:

    I don’t get how the word feminist even applies to these women who are romance (as in medieval) caricatures.
    The answer to the writers setting it in Abu Dhabi: they ran out of scenarios.
    They’re not the best writers on TV (or, now, film).

  8. Leek says:

    “Lipstick Jihad” is a book about about people in their 20’s in Iran. In the book, the author, a woman, talks about going to secret house parties and wearing fun clothes under their burqas and secretly drinking and smoking, so, the most offensive point made toward Muslims is that we all think that they are so behind that none of them have even considered wearing a mini-skirt or sequin top under the rob. It doesn’t take four American whores going through menopause to liberate thousands of Muslim women; they are smart enough and savvy enough to do it on their own.

  9. Tess says:

    Wondering when our so called “creative community” would begin to notice that their western freedoms and lifestyle are completely incompatible with the Muslim world.

    Since they’re very vocal about criticizing opinions that they disagree with in this country, it just seems inevitable they would start criticizing others, especially since the one world concept is increasingly preached.

  10. Sarah says:

    I’m so tired of hearing about this stupid movie. The show was stupid, the movies are stupid. Next.

  11. Oi says:

    Well its going to be offensive to someone. Its a Hollywood rule now.

  12. lio says:

    I highly doubt that the film could be offensive to a puritanical audience. After all, it’s meant to be seen by Americans, isn’t it?

  13. bros says:

    there are so many pieces of misinformation in both the post and the comments.

    In Iran, leek, they dont wear burkas. Burkas are only in Afghanistan.

    Also, most muslim countries have full suffrage. and access to birth control as well. and can drive. Saudi arabia being the ONE exception where women can’t drive or vote. so lets not paint all Muslims with a Saudi Arabian paintbrush. I think the generalizing and flat out ignorance about muslim culture and geography and variety is really harmful for public discourse and goes a long way towards reinforcing antimuslim views, founded on basically not caring to know very much and not traveling to any muslim majority countries.

    2. SJP has had work done. She is looking VERY refreshed lately, especially in the boob area-the last couple photos of her both here and at her house the other day wearing that hat and the silver pants, her boobs have looked MUCH bigger.

  14. rraven says:

    Most muslims I know and other religious types don’t get offended much on their own, and like most groups they know what to avoid so they probably wouldn’t be watching a movie called sex and the city anyway.

    I knew one girl who wouldn’t say “meet the fokkers” when it came out and she was a movie usher so it was hilarious to me and she wasn’t a muslim, though she was offended it was more a prudish thing than moral outrage.

    Also, the word feminism sucks because these days it means sappy girl power and general bordeline slutty behaviour not, like Kaiser and Bros stated, about suffrage and other general basic human rights so I kind of hate that word anyway

    As for the girls and SJP they look great, sophisticated, although SJP somehow looks too sinewy these days and Kirsten Davis looks slimmer and tonned.

  15. Persistent Cat says:

    Regarding the Muslim women wearing stylish western outfits under their robes, have you ever seen rich Saudi women. I mean the stinking rich, Oprah is poor compared to them, rich women? You can tell them a mile away because of their purses and shoes. I’d love to see what they wear underneath.

    This would be a controversy regardless and yes, if they were in NY and said something offensive about Muslims, it would be a controversy.

    As for their dresses, they all look great.

  16. Atticus says:

    Hautie, I agree with your fashion review completely! SJP looks sooo much better when she doesn’t drown her eyes in black eyeliner and mascara. I just saw A&E’s Biography on her and forgot how cute she was in her younger years. Her looks have gotten harsher as she’s aged, but I do think she’s aged extremely gracefully. I didn’t notice that she’d had any work done. She never did her nose or copped to the Hollywood standard of beauty, and I’ve always respected her for that. Cynthia Nixon and Kristin Davis are divine – you’re right, they don’t age! And Kim is definitely aging very, very well and very gracefully.

    Bros, you are right on as to the biggest reason this movie would be offensive. Couldn’t say it any better.

    That said, I loved this show, I loved the first movie (not the first time I saw it, I admit…but it grew on me) and I’ll go see this one in the theater.

  17. cedar falls says:

    SATC2 is offensive to WOMEN. SATC the TV series was fun, spiky and aspirational. The movies have stripped out all that and we’re left with Carrie’s tedious me-me-me-ing wrapped up in ever-more “directional” (i.e. hideous) fashion choices, so I’m refusing to taint my great early memories of the show by watching this pablum!!

  18. Peach says:

    “We have the right to vote, drive, work, and use birth control, and none of these things is a punishable offense.”

    It’s easier to get an abortion in Jeddah than Mississippi. Really. And in the UAE none of those things are punishable offenses.

    People look at the craziness that is Saudi Arabia and think those rules extend to the entire Middle East. It’s just not so. Women in the Middle East are architects, pilots, doctors…and in Jordan women outnumber men at the Universities.

    The problem of this movie is not so much that it’s condescending to Arabs, the problem is that it reeks of Orientalism.

    For those that don’t know what that is, it’s the way the West has portrayed the Middle East since the Sykes-Picot Agreement (and no doubt a bit before). Where the entire land is made of swarthy barbaric men and exotic women who come in two flavors: victim and temptress.
    Orientalism has long been decried as a silly lasting vestige of colonialism and the constant subjugation of Arab citizens on behalf of currents governments working in tandem with the West. It’s considered poor taste because it’s like depicting all Africans as in tribes, chasing Cheetas, or all Indians as dancing on Temple grounds to Bollywood Beats.

    That’s the reason I wont see this movie. It’s Orientalist shlock. I have better things to do than watch these men and women be exploited by privileged white women with credit cards.

  19. meme says:

    WTF kind of vomitus dress is my little pony wearing? blecch.

  20. Bella Mosley says:

    All movies, books, television programs, thoughts, religions, etc will be offensive to someone or some group. It is not a hollywood rule – it is just a fact of life. So for those that don’t like it don’t see it. If you do like them – then please go. This attitude that if you don’t like it, think it silly or irrelavent that it should cease to exist is beyone egotistical. Regardless of your thoughts or mine, they have won countless awards, have become very wealthy so they are pleasing to more than a few and I salute them and wish I had been so savvy.

  21. Amy says:

    oh for fuck’s sake i gotta make this clear. as a muslim women the only thing i have found offensive is the fact you have quoted from the daily mail which is like the andrex of the newspaper world, and what is this “muslim culture” you speak of? i mean does it even exist? middle eastern culture and religion are two different things even if countries like saudi claim they use islamic law (from what i’ve seen its pretty shoddy and not what the Quar’an teaches). this whole thing about muslim women is an example of how muslim women are fetishized. and as far as SATC goes? didnt like the show but hey-if it makes certain people happy than go for it. one thing i will say is that i do kinda like kim catralls character from what i have heard, i mean the fact a lot of people bitch about her character being older and getting some is apparently disgusting, but had she been a man its a-ok? no-not one for double standards. glad thats one woman upsetting the status-quo.

    (note: dunno if you have andrex in the USA but here in the uk its a brand of toilet paper. nice packaging, but you’d still only use it to wipe your arse with :D)

  22. Leek says:

    @Bros, thanks for correcting me. I couldn’t remember what she called her attire in the book so I said Burqa to get the point across. I hope I didn’t offend you.

    The point is, why should anyone be offended by four women who act more like drag queens than actual women.

  23. bros says:

    nice post peach. women are 67% of the university students in Iran too. I hate when people write off Islam as fundamentally misogynist without having studied anything about Muslim cultures or Islam as the religion or bothered to do a bit of reading on these topics. If anyone is interested in a very interesting re-reading of islam and women’s issues, get Nicholas Kristoff’s “Half the Sky” or pick up Fatima Mernissi’s “Beyond the Veil.” or pretty much anything she writes. its all fantastic.

  24. Scarlet Vixen says:

    I’m surprised that Abu Dhabi had such an issue with filming the movie there. Over 75% of the city’s population is foreign–Americans, Europeans, etc. From what I’ve seen and heard it’s a pretty liberal and diverse. Not to mention that the people are all richer than God–the average resident is worth over $17 million!

  25. Tiff says:

    The color of SJP’s dress is just WRONG. Had a pair of neon shorts that color in 1988 when I was 12!

  26. missmilly says:

    this movie is offensive to the human race–especially women. Or maybe just me b/c the show/movie is beyond stupid.

  27. Oi says:

    And once again the suggestion of offense based on presumptions about a culture is the only thing that’s offensive. Wonder when the general population will figure this out? If people are truly offended let them say so, and have them explain why, and go from there. The ‘offense police’ and activist groups need to go away. They are the ones causing all the offense.

    @bros: thank you for the book suggestions.

  28. Josie says:

    Kristin gets best dressed, absolutely lovely.

  29. Dina says:

    It’s amazing how little you all know about the Arab world and culture and about Islam. None of you seem to know and understand that religion and culture are two seperate things.

    But yet you all have very strong opinions about it. So sad.

  30. Meimei says:

    Now, this comment is only tangentially related to the article, but it was one of the most surreal things I’ve seen on TV:

    A heavily bearded Middle-Eastern Imam giving sex advice based on Islamic laws. Now, that’s not particularly surprising, but he concluded that oral sex is perfectly fine and is good for marriage (oh well, most religions shun non-marital sex 🙁 ). Even weirder, it applied to both men AND women.

    So, some of them do give good advice. ;D

  31. Scarlet Vixen says:

    @Dina: “None of you seem to know and understand that religion and culture are two [separate] things.” Now who’s being ignorant and presumptuous? If you’re such an expert maybe you should enlighten people instead of look down your nose, since ‘we all’ are all so apparently ignorant…ugh…

  32. bros says:

    where was that Meimei?

    no offense leek.

  33. Meimei says:

    @ bros:

    I think it was something originally shown on Al Jazeera. It’s been years since I saw it, though, but it kind of stuck on my mind.

  34. heavenasia says:

    Oral sex is permissible in Islam.
    The only thing forbidden is anal sex and sex during the female’s menstruation.

  35. Meimei says:

    That’s the impression I got. Still, it’s a nice contrast to those religious leaders that are most often portrayed in the Western media. And to some Christians’ view that sex is only OK if it’s missionary in order to conceive – oh, and God’s watching. I wonder whether the other gods are also voyeurs.

  36. jc126 says:

    I don’t get why the writers thought the premise of four women gallivanting through the Middle East would be appealing to the SATC target audience. And spare me your diatribe about how rich Muslim women in this or that country live, most Muslims aren’t rich and many, many Muslim women ARE living under repression. I had never heard of orientalism before, that sounds like it’s probably a valid concern, and I’ve never cared for those types of movies anyway.
    Whatever the setting, the SATC premise is getting old. And the jokes for the commercial/trailer are stupid, so I doubt the ones we haven’t seen are much better.

  37. Katija says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgSH0h45Eo

    Oh yeah, for reals, Islam is all about the hearts and kisses and rainbows when it comes to women.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFBsVbwBgLU&feature=related

    Totes, y’all.

  38. gg says:

    I’m not Muslim and I find this show, their appearances, and the movies very offensive to any culture! Stupid, vapid, self-absorbed crapola.

  39. bros says:

    katija you can find the same crap going on everywhere. bottom line is, women are oppressed and fucked around the world, not just in islam but in EVERY religion. I can find a million examples of violence against women in Christian culture, hindu, Confucian, Buddhist, jewish, etc. religion is consistently manipulated across the globe in order to legitimize misogyny and gendercide, and alot of the time it doesnt even take religion as a guise. Violence against women is a universal thing when you look at it, so stop using islam as the only whipping boy.

  40. Katija says:

    @bros I’m not going to argue and look like an Islamaphobe – because I’m actually not. I’m personally an Atheist, but I support anybody’s rights to pray and worship to whatever or whomever they want.

    But the truth of the matter is this – RADICAL Muslim men treat their women like cattle. Sure, some Christian men may as well, but it isn’t met by their local governments with a big A-OK and a thumbs up – like how honor killings in Muslim countries are received.

    I support Islam. I don’t support radical Islam. When did that stop being OK? I think we need to liberate those Muslim women who are constantly living under fear of being stoned/disfigured because of local law. If a woman WANTS to wear a burka(sp) or hijab, fine. But if she’s being forced to, that’s wrong.

    If that makes me a big ole’ racist bigot, then I guess toss me in a room with Jesse James. (Actually, please don’t.)

  41. heavenasia says:

    @katija
    I don’t think you’re racist, I just think you’re ignorant.
    First of all, honor killing is not Islamic its culture.

  42. jc126 says:

    So which religions practice female circumcision? Let’s hear it.

  43. lucy2 says:

    I’m going to stick to the frivolous stuff, and say that Cynthia and Kristin look great, I like SJP’s dress but not the color, and Kim is wearing too much makeup.

  44. heavenasia says:

    LOL @jc126
    Female circumcision isn’t Islamic either its culture.
    Some muslims mix culture with religion.
    There is no basis for it in the Quran or Hadith (Islamic traditions)

  45. Meimei says:

    “So which religions practice female circumcision? Let’s hear it.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_cutting

    I don’t think anyone’s arguing that everything is fine as far as Muslim women are concerned (hell, there are plenty of things that are just wrongwrongwrong), but all of them aren’t exactly poor widdle oppressed beings. I personally find many (often American) customs based on Christianity repugnant as well.

  46. heavenasia says:

    Thanks for the link Meimei.
    “muslims” who believe in female circumcision try to use that weak hadith to justify practicing it.
    But it’s really a tradition that has been practiced for so many generations (in their culture) that its become a part of their “religion”.

  47. Jeri says:

    They have their audience (not me) and that is who will go to the movie. It’s about money, not entertainment.

  48. Kim says:

    I HOPE it is offensive to Muslims- this will only make it more popular with Americans and the rest if the world who cant stand Muslims and dont give a crap about offending them!

  49. Meimei says:

    Oh, and more links (OK, one), but first: I also wish that everyone would be equal and so on, but forcing it from the outside is, I think, a surefire way to ruin everything. The liberation of Muslim women (or anyone, really) under oppression must start from within, and when you push those who are already unhappy, you get this:

    http://jezebel.com/5542559/saudi-woman-beats-up-virtue-cop

  50. Amneh says:

    Kaiser, I was eager to hear your take on SATC2 and I am really disappointed to see that you harbour so many misconceptions about the Middle East. As an Arab muslim woman and a fanatical reader of your site, I feel the need to clear a few things up.
    Firstly, Arab women (with the exception of Saudi Arabia) all have the right to work and drive, and in most Arab countries female university students are double the number of male students. Abortion in the first trimester is not an issue like it is in the US, and birth control is not discouraged by Islam and is freely available in any pharmacy or supermarket. We have universal suffrage (with the exception of Saudi Arabia) and women hold important governmental and political roles in all Middle Eastern societies.
    Secondly, stoning is an archaic form of capital puishment that is not used by any country in the Middle East (again with the exception of Saudi Arabia).
    In addition, I find it very offensive when you refer to Muslim culture as “puritanical and misogynistic” when you are most probably referring to Saudi Arabian culture and traditions which have no basis in Islam. Divorce is not an issue here either and is not discouraged by Islam; we have some of the highest divorce rates in the world. Also, women retain their maiden names after marriage and marital sex is considered sacred and encouraged fully by any Islamic sheikh/cleric you may meet. Women are not given away by their fathers at the altar, but walk down the wedding aisle side-by-side with the bridegroom.

  51. Kim says:

    Amneh- sure women can get degrees but why bother since they cant be doctors or work in any higher level positions because it would involve them touching and speaking to males. I think that is problem people have with Muslim religion. It says one thing but does another. LIke ok for women to be educated but they cant use this education in real world.

  52. Naye in VA says:

    maybe it was just me but i was offended in the last movie how Jen Hudson had her “rent-a bag” purses, and then towards the end of the movie Carrie gives her a real LV bag and it was OMG what she had been waiting on all her life, Louis Vitton. But then i got over it becuase, hey the whole show is superficial

  53. Meimei says:

    @Kim:

    You keep talking about the exception. Saudi-Arabia =/= Middle-East.

  54. jc126 says:

    Ok, heavenasia, which CULTURES practice FGM, and what is the dominant religion there?
    FTR, I’m not anti-Muslim, I’m against all unfair religious practices, such as Christians who think a wife should be subservient to their husbands, etc.

  55. kia says:

    I’m offended by the whole Sex and the City thing to begin with…like all women should aspire to be vapid, image and label obsessed, shallow consumers of useless crap (and total wh*res to boot). I don’t see the appeal at all!

    But are women really like this? I mean, I’m a woman but I have zero women friends so I have no idea what “female friendship” is like…but I shudder at the idea of pointless shopping and long drunken lunches where I have to hear every disgusting detail of some chick’s sex life. Sounds like my idea of hell, but I’m a super nerd LOL!

  56. Amneh says:

    @Kim – You’re absolutely right if you are talking about Saudi Arabia, where oppression of women is the norm. However, in Kuwait, where I live, and other Gulf countries it is nothing like that. My Kuwaiti friend (who is female) is currently studying to be a cardiosurgeon and the Kuwaiti government is sending her on a full scholarship to John Hopkins, and my other female friend is also on a scholarship to study aerospace engineering in Ireland. In Kuwait, female suffrage was only granted in 2008 and we already have 4 Harvard and Princeton educated females elected to Parliament. Try googling Sheikha Mozah or Queen Rania or Massouma al-Mubarak if you want an accurate portrayal of the modern Muslim Arab woman.

  57. Taya says:

    “But it’s really a tradition that has been practiced for so many generations (in their culture) that it’s become a part of their “religion”

    Kind of like marrying your cousin if you are a backwoods hypocritical Christian from Alabama.

  58. asiont says:

    I love the color of sjp’s dress, I would love to wear it! 🙂

  59. heavenasia says:

    @jc126
    I don’t think you understand what I’m saying, I’m only stating the fact.
    You sound confused.. FGM is not a religious practice, it is a culture.
    Some African countries practice this and truly believe it is a part of the religion because it has been passed down for so many generations.
    A lot of it is out of ignorance and being uneducated in the religion.

  60. wtf says:

    @Lilias

    The last time I checked, there were Muslim Americans too. But I guess when you say American you just mean white anglo saxon christians?

    @Taya
    LMAO!!!! I’m from Alabama and I’m still LMAO. but let’s not label all backwater alabama christians…just the baptists.

  61. jc126 says:

    Okay then, regarding FGM, can we assume that most Muslim countries have banned it, if it’s not part of the religion, if there’s “no basis for it”?

  62. bros says:

    if course they have jc126. you think its LEGAL and CODIFIED anywhere? that’s ridiculous. in so many muslim-majority countries you would be arrested in a hot second for trying to do that. thank you heavenasia and Amneh for being voices of educated reason on here amidst the pure conflations of religion and cultural traditions (stoning, FGM, honor killings) and islam bashing out of what appears to be nothing more than sheer ignorance and unfamiliarity. and Kim, dont let facts get in the way of your misconceptions.

  63. kia says:

    Taya-

    It’s not funny to sterotype about Muslims or any other group of people, so please don’t do the lame, predictable, trite and played-out thing and sh*t all over “rednecks/hillbillies/etc”, because it just makes YOU look like an ignorant, racist/classist/elitist ass. If it’s not acceptable to stereotype anyone else, then it should not be acceptable to stereotype rural religious Americans. Either we offend ALL groups, or we offend NONE, it’s only fair, but this “only making fun of white rural Christians” thing is hypocritical and just plain nasty. Thanks 🙂

  64. Cat says:

    What the heck 57? Protecting one culture by bashing another is horrible and inffective. Why did you think that was a good idea?
    Southerners are people too you know!
    And ps, do you actually know of any southerners who married their cousins, or was that just something you made up?

  65. jc126 says:

    Still waiting to hear WHICH countries have outlawed FGM.

  66. Meimei says:

    Weird. I tried to answer to jc126, but the comment doesn’t appear here (even as “awaiting moderation”). Is there some limitation on the number of links?

  67. Meimei says:

    Well, let’s try with one, which is the most concise, and also the most important, considering that FGM is most prevalent in Africa:

    Africa (pages 8-9):
    http://www.prb.org/pdf08/fgm-wallchart.pdf

    Sadly, AAP recently released a policy statement which included this gem:

    “It might be more effective if federal and state laws enabled pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a ritual nick as a possible compromise to avoid greater harm.”

    AFAIK, in Finland there is no law that spells out FGM, meaning that it hasn’t been outlawed in the strictest sense of the word (don’t worry, it’s just covered by the legislation regarding all kinds of abuse etc.).

  68. bros says:

    good research meimei. a whole bunch of non-muslim majority countries have high rates of it, and a some muslim majority countries have lower rates than others. also there appears to be no correlation between official laws outlawing the practice and the amount that it is prevalent in the society. great report. bolsters the argument that is is more cultural/ritual than a religiously motivated practice.

  69. Meimei says:

    Thanks. I also found out something that was completely new to me:

    “Until the 1950s, FGM was performed in England and the United States as a common “treatment” for lesbianism, masturbation, hysteria, epilepsy, and other so-called “female deviances”.41”

    http://www.path.org/files/FGM-The-Facts.htm

    Oy.

  70. jc126 says:

    By that link, it says a huge percentage of Egyptian women ages 15-39 have suffered FGM; Egypt is not considered strictly an “African” country, it’s also considered part of the Middle East.
    Disgusting backward practice.

  71. Aspen says:

    Bigot much, #57? Have you been to Alabama? My guess is no.

    FGM is not really a Muslim phenomenon. Africa is the place you see most of that going on, so I’m not sure where that came from.

    The Taliban is the women-hating political/radical group, not Islam. The beating women and burka wearing (which is not just Afghan but also Pakistani) is a Taliban thing, not a Muslim thing.

    As a Christian woman from Arkansas, I’m offended by the gross oversexualized stereotype offered in SATC. I’m sure observant women in most religions find that depiction of women offensive.

    But what I really object to is the idea that wearing too much makeup and behaving like a cheap hooker equate to feminine liberation. I fail to understand why an entire generation bought the line that feminism = promiscuity. In my universe feminism is set back by this idea. I don’t celebrate young Muslim women wearing lipstick or carrying LV purses. I celebrate them going to school, going to college, voting in elections, holding public office, and enjoying their rightful place and security in society.

  72. Meimei says:

    “Disgusting backward practice.”

    Gee. Do tell. Of course it should be eradicated. Just like rape and murder, for example, or kiddy-fiddling. Or trying to make compromises with those who want to mutilate their kids’ genitalia (see the AAP policy statement).

    But what does that have to do with the status of Egypt? Because that’s also the place where the earliest evidence of both female and male genital mutilation comes from. Like, pre-Christian and pre-Islamic evidence. Actually, the most extreme version of FGM is known as the “pharaonic circumcision” – wonder what that refers to…

    I think I’m done now. This isn’t exactly the place for this kind of discussion, and I’m tired.

  73. Peach says:

    @jc126:
    Of course FGM is a disgusting backwards practice. I only wish we could turn back the clock for every single woman out there who has suffered at the hands of it.

    As an Arab woman, I can tell you I honestly don’t know anybody who has had it (this includes many of my Egyptian friends). But for any woman out there who has, I feel terribly for them. I wish them the best. I pray that their children do not suffer the same fate.

    But I’m not going to insult their entire culture or blame the victim for refusing to turn her back on everything she knows.

    It’s been explained to you exhaustively that FGM is cultural and not religious. It has been shown to you that countries have gone out of their way to make it illegal. It has been made obvious and clear that nobody here (including the Muslim and Arab ladies who have spoken up) that we don’t condone it.

    So why, instead of working with us to stand united against it, are you trying to paint us as barbaric? We welcome you to fight against it with us, but we do not need your condescension along for the ride.

    Also can I just say WHAT UP and ahlan wa sahalan for all the awesome ladies in this discussion sticking up for themselves, their cultures, and people they see being marginalized. I think it just fucking warmed my heart to an extent I did not expect.

    You ladies are awesome.

  74. heavenasia says:

    yeah me too..
    I’m so over it now.
    Do your own research jc126

  75. jc126 says:

    I’m not trying to paint YOU as barbaric, I’m labeling the practice barbaric.

  76. aperson says:

    FYI (also suggested by some others above): a lot of women wear “non-conformist” outfits under their burqas.

  77. TRAM says:

    If this film were set in the Vatican City and there were blatant portrayals of condom/birth control usage, would the author or respondents find the movie offensive for failing to show proper consideration for and deference to the prevailing Catholic culture of the Vatican City?

    Is the forcing of women to wear full body covering more offensive than the teaching of abstinence until marriage?

  78. ViktoryGin says:

    @ Peach…..always love your posts. Where have you been lately?

    I’ve got nothing to add. All statements have been duly noted 🙂