Annette Bening & Warren Beatty’s marriage might be on the rocks


This seems kind of like the gossip world is making a mountain out of a molehill, but there could totally be something there. According to Page Six, when Annette Bening was at the Deauville Film Festival to promote The Kids Are All Right, she imposed a “media blackout” on any questions about her husband Warren Beatty or their marriage. Now – lots of celebrities do this. When you get to a certain status in Hollywood, most media outlets will let you get away with it too, for fear that you’ll rip away their access. It’s not always about “conspiracy!” or divorce. But it could be!

What does Annette Bening have to hide? Reporters at the Deauville Film Festival in France — where Bening was promoting “The Kids Are All Right,” the movie in which she plays a lesbian mother — were shocked when organizers warned them not to ask the actress any questions about her family, and specifically about her husband, Warren Beatty.

“The blackout immediately amped up speculation by the press corps of an impending split,” said one journalist.

Beatty has been notably absent as Bening has traveled the world promoting her latest film, which features a steamy Sapphic sex scene with Julianne Moore. The couple has barely been seen together except for a sighting at the Ago restaurant in LA on Aug. 7.

The National Enquirer reported last month that Bening and Beatty are fighting and finger-pointing over their daughter, Kathlyn, 18, and her plans to have gender-reassignment surgery. Kathlyn, the eldest of four kids, allegedly has been living as a man for two years under the name Stephen Ira, and is now in college awaiting sex-change operations. The Enquirer reports Bening has agreed to pay for the surgery.

“Annette accepts that Kathlyn wants to surgically become a man, while Warren is still trying to come to terms with it,” a source allegedly told the weekly.

Bening’s publicist Simon Halls told Page Six: “Ridiculous. She was there to promote two films and that’s what she did.” Reps for Beatty didn’t return calls for comment. Stephen Ira couldn’t be reached.

Meanwhile, the Deauville Film Festival, in its 36th year, appears to be a victim of tighter budgets. “Where are the stars? The studios have opted to go to closer-to-home Toronto instead,” said one source. “If the festival goes on like this, it won’t go on much longer.”

[From Page Six]

Yes, that National Enquirer story is one I haven’t really been following – Warren and Annette’s oldest, Kathryn, is probably trying to get a sex change operation to become a man (stories here and here). I think the Enquirer’s reporting is probably right on the money, and they probably paid some source for details. I’ll also buy that Warren is probably not handling it very well, where Annette is more “live and let live.” But would this be the way their marriage ends? Eh. I think Warren is kind of dotty at this point, and honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he was sick or dealing with some senility issues. I think he needs Annette now more than ever.

CULVER CITY, CA - JUNE 10: Actress Annette Bening and Actor Warren Beatty arrive at the 38th AFI Life Achievement Award honoring Mike Nichols held at Sony Pictures Studios on June 10, 2010 in Culver City, California. (Photo by Michael Buckner/Getty Images)

CULVER CITY, CA - JUNE 10: Actress Annette Bening and Actor Warren Beatty arrive at the 38th AFI Life Achievement Award honoring Mike Nichols held at Sony Pictures Studios on June 10, 2010 in Culver City, California. (Photo by Michael Buckner/Getty Images)

LOS ANGELES, CA - APRIL 19: Actress Annette Bening (L) and husband actor Warren Beatty attend the premiere of Sony Pictures Classics' 'Mother and Child' at the Egyptian Theater on April 19, 2010 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by David Livingston/Getty Images)

header: Warren and Annette in June, 2010. Credit: WENN.

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  1. TQB says:

    I submit that the rampant tabloid stories about the daughter are a good enough reason to refuse all questions about your family, if you have the clout to do so.

  2. Tinks says:

    If she has indeed offered to pay for her daughter’s surgery, I think that shows what a wonderful mom and person she is. Kudos.

  3. Embee says:

    @TQB – agreed!

  4. ams511 says:

    aww sad. i hope they can support their daughter regardless!

  5. Sunshine says:

    I don’t see a problem with this. Annette is a professional actress and is there to promote her work.

  6. BethL says:

    More likely it’s about their daughter not their marriage.

  7. Relli says:

    Kaiser i think you might be right about Beatty’s senility, dude is kind of old and needing Anette more and more. Relationships are hard and even harder when you are dealing with children especially given the circumstances. But i was watching Splendor in the Grass the other day with the young Warren and that man was beautiful!

  8. Jazzy says:

    It’s ironic that one of the all-time major stick-men, A.K.A. douche-bags, is now dealing with his firstborn wanting a sex-change. Kudos to Annette if she’s willing to foot the bill and continue loving her child regardless of the sex orientation. She’s far too good for him. And she deserves an Oscar.

  9. LindyLou says:

    IMO – 18 is too young to have a major life-altering elective surgery like a sex change. How many 18 year olds get tattoos that they regret a few years later? Not the same thing, I know, but I don’t think a child at that age is mature enough or had enough life experiences to make that kind of decision (even if they are legally of age). Just my 2 cents.

  10. mln says:

    I agree with alot of the comments and I think Annette being a bit younger than Warren is more capable of handling the gender reassignment issue. I think they deserve to be left alone.

  11. jen says:

    The Warren Beatty, Natalie Wood affair would be good for “Vintage Scandal Monday”! 🙂

  12. mln says:


    gender reassignment for women is much more reversable than it is for men mostly because the actual surgeries aren’t as advanced. Most don’t go all the way but have a breast reduction and choose to take testosterone. If for any reason she changes her mind she can stop taking testosterone and go back to being a female. I actually know someone who went through this.

  13. Rita says:

    My comments are all about Annette. I think she’s wonderful and must be in order to have made sure “little warren” kept his place all these years.

    I love her acting and love her smile and laughter. Whenever I see a movie produced by Columbia Pictures and the lady in the robe holding the torch appears as their symbol, I think Annette was the model for the Columbia symbol. I know it’s stupid but there it is.

  14. Tess says:

    Oh well. The daughter’s sexual situation is sad, complicated, and probably causes tremendous pressure and conflict.

    But I’d like to take a short walk in Bitchiville. So I’m just going to say it: Annette Bening has NOT aged well. She looks as old as Warren.

  15. Stephie says:

    Another one? Geez.

    I thought maybe it was because Warren is getting too old for all that. (which could be). I don’t blame her for the blackout. She’s there to promote the film, not dish about her personal life. (regardless of the media’s take on it all)

  16. ams511 says:

    @ LINDY LOU-you have seriously just pissed me off. shes probably spent the good part of 18 years thinking about this. shame on you for judging her mental capacities.

    people know who they are.

    you keep your thoughtless comments to yourself.

  17. Glyrics says:

    I know this is superficial, but dang! he has not aged well! Fug to the max!

  18. Cheyenne says:

    What senility? The guy’s only 73. My aunt is 93 and sharp as a razor.

  19. k says:

    I’m more shocked at how I missed she bore him four kids. Where have I been?

    Obvs. this is just a family trying to keep a low profile in the midst of a difficult issue. Two conflicting occasions: their daughter’s life and the need to promote a movie = tabloid speculation.

  20. TaylorB says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they are on the rocks or at least having a VERY difficult time. Many if not most parents/marriages are really put to the test if they have a child who decides to reassign their gender. I think it can be worked through, but it is almost like the stages of grief; Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance and it takes some time to work through it and if the couple is at different stages at different times they can certainly butt heads. If memory serves Cher initially had a heck of a time when Chastity decided to embrace her male side and reassign her gender, but Cher finally seemed to realize she loved Chaz for who he is and a gender reassignment did not change the love she had for her child. I think it is wonderful that Annette is being supportive, and I hope that Warren will come about eventually. I bet he will, and I hope he and Annette come through this. As hard as this is for them as parents right now they need to buck up, get past their issues, and give all the love, support and acceptance they can muster to their daughter/son who is really in a tough emotional situation.

  21. Fluffy Kitten Tail says:

    I do not fault him for being upset about the daughter. Men tend to take those types of things harder than women, who are more accepting, IMO, of changes like those.

    On a side note, sad about the Deauville festival and the decline of participants!

  22. love says:

    Lindy Lou, A superficial tattoo is much different than a person realizing they were born into the wrong body.

  23. Relli says:

    @ Jen YES IT WOULD BE! you could do almost a whole month on Natalie Wood and her affairs alone.

  24. Putchka says:

    I grew up with Warren Beatty. He was smart, handsome, everything these little girlies on this blog don’t get. Annete Benning is also a smart, beautiful woman. Whatever is going on with their family is nobodies business.

  25. Iggles says:

    Pronouns people! Their oldest child has been living as a male for 2 years. Let’s refer to him by his chosen name:


    LindyLou – I disagree. Being transgendered and opting for reassignment is nothing like getting a tattoo! Most transgendered folks know from the time they’re 4 or 5 that something isn’t right. I can imagine that it’s a horrible predicament not to feel that your body reflects your true gender.

    I’m glad that Annette is supporting her child and wish Stephen the best of luck with his transition.

    ams511 – I agree 100%. A lot of people don’t understand and don’t try to imagine what it’s like to walk in someone else’s shoes.

    I hate bringing up TV as an example, but there’s a transgendered character on Degrassi this year. I think episode “My Body Is a Cage” really portrays the internal struggle well.

  26. CandyKay says:

    I don’t understand why people think that gender reassignment surgery and homosexuality are horrible dark secrets that should never be mentioned in the tabloids.

    Kathryn/Stephen Ira is now an adult, and if her parents were fighting about something else in her life – let’s say she wanted to be a carpenter and they wanted her to go to college – the tabloids would write about it and no one would blink an eye. (There are not many people who object to the tabloids writing about an adult Chelsea Clinton, for example.)

    And as for the parents, Annette Benning and Warren Beatty have made their living in the entertainment industry for their entire professional careers, and they know some degree of public attention to their personal lives comes along with that choice of profession. I also believe Annette has taken her daughters along with her on the red carpet on occasion, so she’s hardly been shielding them from the public eye.

    Somewhere, some kid who’s also having questions about his or her gender identity will read about Kathryn/Stephen Ira in the checkout line at a supermarket, and realize that he or she is not alone. Public education doesn’t always have to come through award-winning documentaries or heavy films like “Boys Don’t Cry.” Tabloids can create awareness, too.

  27. Megan says:

    I agree w/ LINDY LOU

    you don’t know shit @ 18!!!

  28. Jeannified says:

    I figured it was over their daughter. I hope they don’t split, but I’ve read that Warren is having a very hard time deealing with his daughters desire for a sex change. Poor guy! I applaud Annette, though, for supporting her daughter in her desires. This can’t be easy for any of them. Isn’t Warren pretty conservative? I can’t remember. Maybe he’s a big dem. I hope they don’t divorce!

  29. CandyKay says:

    Warren is to the left politically. He campaigned for RFK and George McGovern, and even made “Reds,” a sympathetic biography of the American Communist John Reed. He has also considered running for office himself.

  30. LindyLou says:

    Wow! To the posters I’ve apparently upset- I know it’s not the same as a tattoo – if you read my next sentence, I did acknowledge that. My point was that this is a huge decision affecting every aspect of her life. She has only been living as a man for 2 years. As mln pointed out, it is reversible (I didn’t know that) but I really didn’t think I was being thoughtless or hurtful – at least that was not my intention.

    I have absolutely nothing against people who choose to have this surgery but I strongly believe that it shouldn’t be people in their teens doing it. I made decisions at that age that were totally stupid and I’ve had to live with the consequences. But hey, I was just stating my opinion.

  31. TaylorB says:

    Putchka wrote: “He was smart, handsome, everything these little girlies on this blog don’t get.”

    I am curious which of the ‘girlies’ here you have found so offensive? I have visited many a celeb site and from what I have noticed, nearly none of the ‘girlies’ or ‘fellas’ here are vapid morons, in fact, quite the opposite they strike me as VERY bright women and men, who may have different opinions but voice them with wit, humor, and compassion and sometimes crass comments but thats life. However, I have to wonder if you vetted this site at all or just jumped in assuming the worst and made a judgement expecting you were speaking to the same types you would find at TMZ or Perez Hilton… perhaps in the future you might want to look before you leap.

  32. Lisa S. says:

    Whatever.. Dont care for either of them

  33. Tessa B. says:

    Stephen is an awesome, brilliant guy with a great head on his shoulders and does not deserve to be talked about in the media. He has never asked for this kind of attention. And from what I know, his parents are VERY committed to each other and are not “on the rocks.”

  34. Tess says:

    For decades Warren has been a leftwing activist in Hollywood and Washington DC.

    But like a lot of people who embrace abstract political positions, maybe he’s not quite so comfortable with them when they become personal.

    So he spent a lifetime talking the talk but when it came time to walk the walk, he’s conflicted.

    That said, I very much agree with Lindy Lou and Megan. 18, especially today, is very young.

  35. moo says:

    Rita – you are not stupid and I agree with you!

  36. Audra says:

    LOVE Annette Benning – she can do whatever the hell she wants…but Warren is looking like a freakin’ cript-keeper.

  37. Maritza says:

    Sex change is something so drastic, I thinks she should wait until she is at least 30, just so she can be really sure that is what she wants.

  38. LindaR says:

    I agree with Lindy Lou that 18 is very young to be making this kind of decision. Having lived for (ahem) years on this planet, I can attest to the fact that what you want at 18 is not what you want at 21 or 25 or 30 etc., all benchmark ages that manifest significant changes in attitude from previous years. However, given the evidence out there that people with a gender identity issue seem to know from a very young age that they are living in the wrong body, and if he/she has received significant support from the important people in his/her life so that they are making an informed decision, not a rebellious one, then let them go for it. If changing your mind after surgery was a big issue, Oprah would have featured it on her show a few hundred times which she hasn’t. Lord knows she wouldn’t have missed an opportunity to exploit that particular issue.

  39. LindaR says:

    BTW I notice little or no plastic surgery on either one of them. Aging gracefully. What a concept!

  40. Kiska says:

    Warren looks like he’d smell like Ben-Gay and denture cream.

  41. TaylorB says:

    I must confess I do agree to some degree with people who think it is wise for him to wait a few years; though I seriously doubt that Stephen will change his mind and want to go back to living as a female since in his heart he is male; but only from a medical standpoint I would wonder if he needs to be farther away from potential growth spurts before making a surgical transition; things change and I do not mean his state of mind, but the physical body is not done sorting itself out at 18 (hair is growing etc)… give it a few years to settle a bit. I think Stephen should contiue to live as the man he feels he was meant to be and let his body finish its development, then he should finish he process of gender reassignment.

  42. bagladey says:

    I think she doesn’t want to discuss Katherine/Stephen, and I agree that it’s an itimately private family matter and no one else’s business.

  43. lucy2 says:

    Ditto your whole post Linda R.

    I don’t blame Annette for saying ‘no personal questions’ even if this situation with their child didn’t exist. If you’re there to promote your work (which was apparently great, I never did get out to see the film) it must be frustrating if all anyone wants to talk about is your personal life.

  44. nycmom10024 says:

    Yes, 18 maybe young for this surgery ans as a woman in her late 40’s I can even agree that I knew very little about life when I was 18 and didn’t know half of what I thought I did when I was in my late 20’s.

    But one thing I did know was my sexuality. While I may not have started to explore that sexuality until a year later, I also knew that I was hetero.

    I am sure this teen is well aware of his orientation. Personally, I don’t know how I feel about the surgery, but I do believe he knows what he wants since there have been rumors of their then daughter living as a boy since he was 15 or 16.

  45. leslee says:

    When her DNA converts to XY, I’ll call her a him. Just because someone has built you p@nis, doesn’t mean you are automatically a man.

  46. Crash2GO2 says:

    @leslee, oh that’s just bullshit. What are you going to call someone who is XXY? or XYY? These people do exist you know. Are you saying that all people are to you are what their genetic identities say they are?

  47. Jill says:

    Why would any man stay with a woman who intends on helping to mutilate his own daughter, and believes she has the right without his approval to go above his personal beliefs, and control these signs of their schizophrenic daughter and her dillusional symptoms- especially without having any credentials or doctor approval that her daughter is not shizophrenic? And to think that testing her mental state of mind is not Warren’s right as a parent and Kathlyn’s human right as a human being to possibly save her from her own self destructive mental condition. If she is proven to be schizophrenic, Warren can legally stop the procedure.

  48. P.J. says:

    Since Stephen is only 18 he may need parental consent before having the operation. I think the age of full majority for medical issues is 21, not 18.

  49. TaylorB says:


    I am not asking this to be rude, but I feel that I must ask this question. Out of curiosity how would you address a Hermaphrodite? And how do you know that Stephen isn’t one? You don’t, do you? Neither do I. But either way if HE feels more comfortable identifying as a male then who are any of us to say he is incorrect, it is his decision, it is a matter of showing respect for his choices and his feelings? For example I am married, but I am more comfortable being called either Ms. or Dr. than “Mrs” a term I personally dislike and I think that out of respect, which I will fully reciprocate in kind, I would prefer to be addressed in that manner. Again, I am not trying to be rude but if Stephen identifies as a male, lives as a male, looks like a male, and wants to be addressed as a male then exactly what is the harm in showing him the respect to accept him as he is?

    We may have to agree to disagree on this issue, but and this is only my opinion, he is being brave and is in for a tough road ahead. He has not harmed anyone and probably has lived in emotional turmoil for years, as difficult as it is for the rest of us to wrap our brains about gender reassignment we need to realize that it is OUR issue, not theirs, Stephen needs support and understanding not judgement, ridicule and criticism.

  50. TaylorB says:

    #47 (can’t read the name)

    I gather you are not aware that there are EXTENSIVE mental health evalutions prior to a gender reassignment usually given over the course several months along with therapy, anyone who is considered even slightly unstable is denied the procedure. Stephen isn’t some nut job, he is simply trying to live a happy life.

  51. Jeri says:

    Warren is looking very old. Maybe he has old-fashioned ideas too & can’t cope with his daughters’ situation. He could be ill also.

  52. Alix says:

    Props to Bening for being supportive of her daughter, but 18 is still waaaaaaay too young to make a decision like that. If she still wants to be a guy when she’s 25, okay; but right now, while she may be a legal adult, she’s still a child.

  53. Mistral says:

    Awww. Hope not 🙁

  54. Jill says:

    Taylor B; You are not qualified to judge this child. Being a schizophrenic is not the end of the world. There are medications for it, and people can live very happy lives. Denying her choice if she is a schizophrenic is the law.

  55. Crash2GO2 says:

    @Jill: TaylorB was only pointing out that Stephen will be thoroughly screened for any physciatric disturbances before the proceedure, so there shouldn’t be any worries on your part that a schizophrenic will be gender reassigned. In fact, I’m not really even sure what your point is in posting this stuff is at all.

    BTW, Stephen is legally an adult at 18, not a ‘child’.

  56. Jill says:

    I really don’t understand your point either. All I hear is a bunch of hippy freedom fighters with Woodstock pot mentalities, and not one concern for the fact that this young girl may be suffering from a serious mental disorder called schizophrenia. It is Warren’s human right as her father to find out with as many professional medical opinions as possible if his daughter just needs medication and a new direction. Warren does not need his childs mother thinking she can pay for something like this as if it is a fling idea that may be a mistaken intention that actually ends up harming his own child for life –without finding out if there is a permanent mental disorder that needs to be addressed first, legally. Annette Bening does not have the soul right to pull this plug on her own accord without a legal fight from Warren in what I believe Warren knows is needed for his daughters best interests.

  57. Boxy Lady says:

    Another reason Warren may be having a harder time is, besides the kid being his oldest, he gave her the name Kathlyn because it was his (and Shirley MacClaine’s) mother’s. Now there will be no more link to his mom. You know how sentimental men are about their mothers!

  58. Bella Mosley says:

    To me this is where reporting has gone to far. We do not need to know this, the family should not have to speak of it in public. It is none of our business. Children, personal family issues – should remmain private. We have no need to know.

  59. wonderful says:

    Um, where are you getting all of these schizophrenia ideas? If it is simply because the woman wants to be a man and you think that most likely indicates schizophrenia, then I am truly disgusted.

  60. Jill says:

    Be disgusted. Why should your emotional state matter to me? I don’t know you and you don’t know me. You can feel any emotion you want, but don’t tell me how to think or possibly think I am thinking a way you think I am thinking without knowing anything about me. Schizophrenia ia one of the main reasons people become dillusional and this is a typical example, and that is why a lot of people are denied life changing surgeries. Warren needs to know if his child is mentally ill and get her on medication as fast as possible if she is. She may be suffering.

  61. Crash2GO2 says:

    @Jill(Shirley is that you?): Again, neither Warren nor Annette has any parental rights in this because Stephen is legally an adult, not a ‘child’ and as far as I know has not been judged incompetent.

  62. onyx says:

    god, I hate to state the obvious, but he looks like a corpse.

  63. Jill says:

    Well, I know there are laws for people who can ask a judge for legal power of attorney privileges if a child regardless of age is proven to be mentally ill and
    if there is fear for their own safety.

    Just because you turn 21 doesn’t mean you suddenly are cured from previous mental disorders. Schizophrenia is a lifetime disease. It can be treated, but it is permanent. There are no cures except medicine to keep a person balanced. They will always need medical supervision and medication and direction. I would have her writing evaluated and then test her with the best experts in the world belonging to the mental health field.

  64. wonderful says:

    So then yes, you are basing this idea of schizophrenia on nothing other than the fact that it causes delusions? I don’t care if you don’t care you offended me, I expected as much, but someone needs to tell you how ignorant you sound projecting serious mental problems on a person who desires a sex change. This perpetuates the idea that transgendered people may be the way they are because of an underlying mental illness, and I really shouldnt have to explain to you what kind of trouble you get into making those kinds of claims.
    Not to mention schizophrenia is much more complicated than what you seem to have imagined.

  65. Jill says:

    You don’t know what you are talking about, because there are no real answers to why people with schizophrenia think the way they do. How can you possible assume you know anything on this subject? Are you a trained doctor in this field? If not, please don’t bother me with your higher than mighty klnow it all attitude. Until Kathlyn is tested and she will be tested, it is only then when Warren can know for sure what his options are as a parent. He is perfectly right in worrying that his daughter may have a mental disorder called schizophrenia. I did not make this up. Blame the experts.

  66. Crash2GO2 says:

    While there is a book written about gender identity disorders causing mental illness (presumably due to the strain of living a life untrue to one’s self), gender confusion is not listed as a symptom of schizophrenia.

    Hopefully Stephen’s doctors will be able to set you at rest about his mental health and I hope that they will keep Stephen’s best interests at heart, not Warren’s.

  67. wonderful says:

    I in no way tried to outline the nature of schizophrenia – didnt even touch the subject, I said it was more complicated than you stated. What I DID do, was I pointed out that you suggesting she may be schizophrenic due to her desire to switch genders without ANY REASON TO HAVE IMAGINED THIS MAY BE HER CASE, is offensive. Talk about high and mighty, Dr. Pseudo-Science.

  68. Cheyenne says:

    @Jill: WHOAAAA!!! Where do you get off labeling a young adult you have never met as schizophrenic? Just what are your mental health credentials? Care to share them with us?

    Before you go off on me, no, I’m not a doctor. I am, however, a licensed CSW with over 20 years experience in mental health. I can tell you straight up there is NO connection between schizophrenia and gender confusion. This young woman is not psychotic. She is not suffering from delusions. She does not have a thought disorder. She knows very well she was born with a female body but she feels like she is a man trapped in a woman’s body. It is not for you or anyone to judge her, and it certainly is not for you to label her as schizophrenic.

    As for as her parents’ input, they can express all the concern they may feel pro or con, but as long as she is of legal age she can make her own decision, whether Warren likes it or not.

  69. Kloops says:

    I don’t think for second that their son (former daughter) Stephen will ever change his gender identity and why should he? He is who he is. However, (here’s the “but”) if it were my child I would discourage surgery until AT LEAST 21years old. There are serious consequences and you can’t ever go back to exactly as you were. I do know someone who had it done and while it fulfilled her emotional needs, physically, it hindered her sex life because of all the nerve damage. She’s not sure she’d go as far again.

  70. Jill says:

    Well, let me say this, I read up on this and if there was any cause for a doctor to deny a patient requesting this abnormal medical change — the doctor would have to be convinced the patient was a schizophrenic. Legally that is the only medical evauation to stop the surgery. It makes me wonder how this is known, because there must have been other cases where schizophrenic patients asked for the same procedure and were denied. What causes this mental illness is still unknown, but there are medicines that help a person lead a normal life. She may seem very normal to you and she may have normal qualities that make this seem just a choice like wearing a different hair color, but it is much more serious than I hear people making it out to be.
    This is my opinion and I am entitiled to one – it is a free country, and I believe knowing Warren is a rational person, that there must be a reason why he believes this is not rational thinking from his own daughter. He needs to explore all of his options.

  71. Cheyenne says:

    @Alix: I’m of two minds about her getting a sex change operation at this time. Legally it’s not an issue; she’s of legal age so she can make her own decision. But 18 does seem very young to make such a radical decision. I’d prefer to see her wait until she is 25 or even 30.

    BUT: Clinical studies of transgendered people have shown that most of them were absolutely miserable before their operation. They felt that they were trapped inside the wrong body. These feelings did not go away as they got older; rather, in many cases they intensified. If she waits another seven to ten years she may suffer seven to ten more years of emotional turmoil and resulting depression. Honestly, I don’t know what’s best in this situation. I truly feel sorry for this young person. She is going to need all the support from her family she can get.

  72. Jill says:

    By the way, I DID NOT LABEL HER ANYTHING OF THE KIND. My point is schizophrenia is a possibility in her case, and I never claimed it as her outcome mental status. Be careful who you point your own fingers at.

  73. Jill says:

    Cheyene, you do not know her nor have you evaluated her. People are all different. She might be schizophrenic, and there might be a connection. How do you know all the reasons people think the way they do? You couldn’t possibly. And if she indeed is schizophrenic -and we are supposed to just believe you, someone who has never met her, and says without a doubt or without knowing her that she isn’t– and could need proper medication, then you are not a very good professional in your field.

  74. wonderful says:

    Let me guess – you read up on it online.
    If you “don’t know how this is known,” (i.e.: dont know where the information came from, thus dont know the supposed study this “law” would have been based on) then you really have no business attempting to engage in a discussion about it, and you cannot claim to have “read up on it.”
    Just stop. You have no legs.

  75. Crash2GO2 says:

    “He (Warren) needs to explore all of his options.”

    Warren only has the option of accepting or rejecting his son and/or wife based on his son’s decisions. Warren has no options other than that.

  76. Cheyenne says:

    @Jill: The doctor would not have to determine that the patient is schizophrenic; the doctor would have to determine that the patient is mentally incompetent to make such a decision. Schizophrenia is not the only mental disorder that renders someone incompetent. A person can be ruled legally incompetent due to suicidal ideation or depression so severe that he is liable to harm himself. But since the gender confusion may be the root cause for the person’s depression and suicidal ideation, then a sex change operation might well be the cure.

    You come on here spouting all kinds of nonsense that this young woman is probably schizophrenic because she wants a sex change operation. You don’t know this girl. You never even met her. But you still feel free to call her schizophrenic because nobody but a schizo would want a sex change operation. This girl doesn’t need judgmental people like you pointing fingers at her; she needs a lot of emotional support to help her make what will probably be the most difficult decision of her life.

    BTW, when you start quoting misinformation about schizophrenia, just succeed in making yourself look silly. Exactly what causes schizophrenia is still open to question but there are strong indications that it runs in families meaning that there could be a genetic predisposition. And the anti-psychotic medications available can help a schizophrenic person to function on some level in society, but hardly at a “normal” level. Check yourself before you come on here spouting information you pulled off some web sites that you actually know little or nothing about.

  77. Jill says:

    I know where the information came from, but I wouldn’t share it with you, especially when you mean absolutely nothing to me. Look it up yourself under transgenders. You’ll see all my schizophrenic worries repeated over and over. I told you I did not make this up.

  78. Jill says:

    If his child in incapable of making rational decisions, and if she is proven to be a schizophrenic then these adult rules are not applied to HER and she will be treated like a child.

  79. Jill says:

    I have legs wonderful and I am right. I do not claim Kathlyn is a schizophrenic. I am worried she might be, and it is a typical concern for this kind of problem parents face. Stop assuming you know me.

  80. Jill says:

    He has a lot more options than you think, crash.

  81. Jill says:

    Someone can be a schizophrenic and competent in other areas. I think the disease is treatable. You can live a very normal happy life, with medication. When a person has been diagnosed with diabetes as an example,. they learn to live with it to survive. Kathlyn may have to live with medication. It is not out of the question yet. Not until she is tested.

  82. Bubbles says:

    There are plenty of other mental disorders that might put someone off the sex change list I would imagine (i.e. self-mutilation or disassociative). I understood that the process of getting such an operation includes (or at least used to) a psychiatric evaluation, yes? – (from a certified psychiatrist M.D./D.O. w/ psychiatric training in mental disorders). I thought that this process takes many months, making sure the individual is completely and unchangably certain of their decision. This isn’t a reversable op like a vasectomy.

    Though I would not be surprised if someone with hollywood parents wouldn’t end up being schizoid or something like it either. I have family related experience with schizophrenia, it can be managed with meds but not always to full functioning. (Sometimes other things mimic schizophrenia, always do an allergy check to other medications and foods before the final diagnosis we’ve eventually learned.)

    I still don’t think she should do anything permanent as young as she is, she may not have worked out her full identity yet. Just my opinion.

  83. wonderful says:

    Bravo, you are completely confident in your convictions even though they are false. The internet is jam packed with false information. Please stop repeating it.

  84. Jill says:

    They are false in your mind, but whose to say your mind is so perfectly rational either? Stop bothering me with your debate cycle. You just want to argue with someone wonderful. I am stopping now. Not because you told me to, — because I am done.

  85. Crash2GO2 says:

    @Jill, it’s pretty clear who you are, and that you have a vested interest in all of this, and that you and Warren are hoping for mental illness instead of a gender identity issue. However, I can assure you that there is nothing benign about schizophrenia and that schizophrenics hardly lead ‘normal’ lives even on medication. Their suicide rates are astronomical – rarely do they make it into their 30’s and 40’s.

    I know this because I have a friend who is schizophrenic and have done quite a bit of research on the subject. She has at times been a physical danger to those around her and she lives in constant fear and torment. This is ON medication. If she were off it, she would be on the streets.

  86. Cheyenne says:

    @Jill: Oh sweet Jesus, if you try to compare schizophrenia with diabetes you are off in the twilight zone. Apples and oranges. Diabetes is a physical condition that requires constant medical monitoring but yes, many diabetics have lived normal healthy lives if they take their insulin as prescribed. Diabetes does not impair your thinking, reasoning, judgment, perception, insight, etc.

    Schizophrenia, on the other hand, impairs all of the above — abilities you need to live a normal life. Anti-psychotic medications help to alleviate the more severe symptoms. They DO NOT make a schizophrenic patient able to live a normal life.

    You are completely out of your depth here. Give it a rest. You log onto a couple of websites and come on here acting as if you have all the answers. Psychiatry still doesn’t have the answers, and neither do you.

  87. Feebee says:

    I think her media blackout is more to do with her daughter’s situation but by saying especially not her husband makes it sound ominous but maybe because he’s having a hard time over his daughter’s decision.

    However, to say she’s been living as a man for two years when she is only just 18 now isn’t correct. She will have been living as a boy, which means she must have had a good deal of support from at least her mother. I agree that transgendered persons know from pretty early on that something’s not consistent with mind/spirit and body. If you’re right about something it doesn’t matter whether you’re 16 or 36 – you’re still right.

  88. Jill says:

    Bubbles – I agree with you, it may be an identity issue. I think you know it’s deeper though,.

  89. Cheyenne says:

    @Jill: what makes you so certain she has “more than an identity issue”? You are hell-bent on determining that this girl is schizophrenic because that is what you think she should be. Just let it go before you dig yourself in deeper. You don’t have a leg to stand on.

    @Crash: I hope your friend is getting good treatment. I’ve worked with several schizophrenics who were all on medication and I’ve never met one that was living what anyone would describe as a normal life.

  90. GreenGinger says:

    @Jill, you sound absolutely and completely wacko.

    That is all.

  91. CB Rawks says:

    Aw, I like them together. I hope they are still happy.

  92. Cheyenne says:

    Jill isn’t wacko, she’s just hopelessly misguided.

  93. Jill says:

    Crash, you are just using the excuse that there may be another cause for this problem you alone cannot bring a rational thought to other than to accuse Warren and me for wishing a mental illness on his daughter just to stop something that we may not feel is the right thing to do. If there is a legitimate legal reason to prevent it, that can be proven to help his daughter, why does that make us the ones who created the mental illness? It is a possibility, and that is something that should not be ignored. I don’t think you know either of us to a degree that qualifies you to judge us that way. I think you are way off base.

  94. TaylorB says:


    You are correct, I am with out a doubt not even slightly qualified to determine the mental status of Stephen; but to be fair neither are you. My point was simply that EVERY hospital that does gender reassignments is VERY careful about the physical and mental health of the patients prior to the procedure, if they were not it could not only be harmful to the patient but open them up to major lawsuits.

  95. Daniella says:

    Hmmm…I would have thought the most obvious reason is that he is not in the best of health or something, not that they are having marital problems. Oh well.

  96. lucy2 says:

    Agree, TaylorB. The medical professionals who have training and experience in this matter will evaluate carefully, the diagnosing should be left to them.

  97. Crash2GO2 says:

    @Jill: Warren doesn’t need to order an evaluation for Stephen – in fact it is not even within his realm of rights at this point. But I don’t understand the concern, because the doctors will do an evaluation before they OK the procedure.

    That has been my point from the beginning. What is there for Warren to consider??

  98. TaylorB says:

    Wow, I just caught up on all the rest of the posts from *certain poster*.

    I know this will get me booted from here and I know this is rude, but I have to say this, *certain poster* you are behaving like an idiot and I am beginning to suspect why you are so ‘well versed’ in people with mental health issues. You stinking nut job.

  99. crazydaisy says:

    “Stephen Ira”?! Wonder where s/he came up with that one?

  100. Cheyenne says:

    Warren has nothing to consider. All he can do is hope and pray his child makes the right decision that will make her happy for the rest of her life. (I’m still calling her “her” until she actually goes through with the gender reassignment.)

  101. CB Rawks says:

    “Whenever I see a movie produced by Columbia Pictures and the lady in the robe holding the torch appears as their symbol, I think Annette was the model for the Columbia symbol.”

    That’s a good call, Rita. It’s a definite resemblance.

  102. Cheyenne says:

    Jill says: “I would have her writing evaluated and then test her with the best experts in the world belonging to the mental health field.”

    You would WHAT?!!? You might as well call in a witch doctor, for all the good that would do.

    Handwriting evaluation might — I say might — give some indication of organic brain damage. It is NOT an indication of schizophrenic thought processes.

    One term of general psych in college and reading a bunch of bullshit articles on the internet does not make you an expert in the diagnosis and treatment of schizophrenia.

  103. MrsOdie2 says:

    How old were you when you realized you loved boys (or girls)? I remember being 10 and being crazy in love with Ricky Shroeder. No one was like, “Whoa! You’re so young! How do you know you’re not gay or transgendered?” Age doesn’t have much to do with it. When you believe you were born in the wrong body, you know it young, and you don’t grow out of it.

  104. TaylorB says:


    I agree, and sadly I stomped on my own point by calling ‘certain poster’ a nut job. That was childish as heck on my part, but while I can deal with opposing opinions flat out stupidity and ignorance is just a burr under my saddle. I lost my temper and should have checked myself.

  105. blinditemreader says:

    I think Jill votes Tea Party.

  106. cruiz2 says:

    I think they both look fab! Troopers for their kids, no questions asked.

  107. Jill says:

    My dear friends, Kathlyn does not deserve all of your hippy attitudes about how anyone can be anything they want to be without seriously being “checked” for their own level of sanity. I do not think this girl is ready for the ramifications she will face if Annette pays for this and goes over Warren’s best intentions for his daughter. She is writing her own divorce papers. Kathlyn is in a hole, and needs a medical evaluation and possibly medication. I think Annette needs a mental evaluation, too.

    If any of you researched “Eugene Tapdance” aka Stephen Ira aka Kathlyn Beatty and her writing’s – they are odd and disoriented. She is seriously not a normal thinker. Her choice of art on her avatars to the things she talks about in her own life as if she is talking about someone else makes me worry she is a schizophrenic personality. She needs to be evaluated. Warren has already taken the tweeting off the internet for this reason. I did not make this up.

  108. ams511 says:

    omg so many things i want to say @ jill but i will sum it up with-go away!

  109. GreenGinger says:

    @Jill, it sounds like you care about Warren in your own way. But how is it helpful to him for you to invite the world to research his child?

    I’m not even going to touch on your feelings for Stephen because it seems to me that all you care about is that he falls in line with his father’s and your wishes. I wish him all the luck in the world, because if you are a part of his life, he’s going to need it.

  110. Jill says:

    Don’t you think it’s better to find out sooner rather than later if there is a mental disorder? Why is being too permissive not a discussion for the world? I think it is. Of course this is a private matter, but she will pay a steep price for this glory. How can a daughter destroy her father this way? There’s got to be something wrong with her. If she is about to destroy Warren, at least innocent people are involved to help prevent it if it is possible. I think she is playing with her own shadow in never-never land.

  111. wonderful says:

    Bubbles – not sure why you posted INTERNET information for me, when I specifically mocked it. Those last two studies were credible psychiatric studies, however they did not address what we are talking about here AT ALL.
    I clicked on the first one, and it is an outline of schizophrenia. Again, I never said anything about the nature of schizophrenia, never even touched the topic. I said it was CRAZY jill busted out with this hypothesis based on NOTHING and I found it offensive to the g/l/t community.
    You gave me many links to short outlines on what schizophrenia is, what chemicals may cause it/help it. All you have shown to me is that some people have described schizophrenia on the internet buuuut nothing that relates to Jill’s original point, which seems to be that there is a danger of transgendered people thinking the way they do because they are undetected schizophrenics. That, is ludicris and sorry but NO, there is no credible research on that. I have no idea why you thought it necessary to provide links to basic information on schizophrenia completely unrelated to the argument, as if I had expressed some niavity toward to the topic.
    Maybe your point was to show me credible research on the internet? The American Journal of Psychiatry is a printed source, available on the internet. There is a difference between those and the horrible, random pages most people use get their information from and then say “I read up on the net…” instead of “I read up in AJP,” which is what you would say if you did(see: JILL).

  112. GreenGinger says:

    “How can a daughter destroy her father this way?” What?!?

    Stephen’s life belongs to him and him alone. It would be very selfish and downright cruel to expect him to live a life he doesn’t want just to make his elderly father happy. And how could a father be happy knowing that his child is denying his own happiness just to please his father?

    @Jill, you may think you sound rational, thoughtful, and empathetic, but you do not. Thank goodness Stephen at least has his mother on his side.

  113. Jill says:

    Wonderful, just because you say there isn’t credible research on this very subject related to this problem does not mean there isn’t any. Of course there is. Kathlyn unlike a lot of celebrity children learn to fend for themselves. I am sure she’s very loved and finds attributes in both of her parents. She could get through this on her own, but people with mental disabilities are not at fault because of the critical judgements associated with their illness. This child might not survive without medication. This is a controversy that Warren is trying to protect against gossip and inuendo.

  114. Lily says:

    I wasn’t going to comment because it really is none of our business what a non-famous 18 year old does, but some people are driving me crazy. First off neither Mr. Beatty nor Ms. Bening have commented on Stephen or the situation. Unless you know them personally you have no idea how either of them feel, the National Enquirer should always be taken with a truck load of salt.

    Second, I try not to single people out but I am going to break my own rule. Jill, the fact that you know Stephen’s screenname and have what seems like an abnormal fixation on his father and this situation is very telling. If you truly want to help, stop criticising Ms. Bening, realize you have no idea what Mr. Beatty is thinking and let this family deal with it themselves.

  115. ams511 says:

    jill! you are insane! transgendered people are not full of mental problems.

    they’re brains & bodies don’t match-i think its an unfortunate genetic glitch. (not a scientist-just saying-i think its biological)

    no one is born to please their parents! what century are you living in!?!?

  116. ams511 says:

    and why do you think you know the beattys? stop calling him warren! he is not your friend.

    i have to stop looking at this post now b/c i’m really getting down, thinking about how uninformed & judgemental people are…..

  117. Jill says:

    ams, you would have to know every transgender person to be able to say it is all a biological glitch for their reasons to switch genders, and you do not. So, please be quiet.

  118. lucy2 says:

    @Jill – “Don’t you think it’s better to find out sooner rather than later if there is a mental disorder?” YES of course – which is why there are medical and psychiatric evaluations that MUST be done before any doctor will consider doing surgery, a fact which you seem to be repeatedly ignoring. No one just walks in and gets the surgery because they ask for it, it’s a lengthy and thorough process, done by experienced medical professionals who know what to look for and know what they’re doing. So I’m sorry, but your whole argument isn’t making much sense to me.

    GreenGinger, I agree. While it must be very difficult to have your child go through this, it would be even worse to know they are miserable and rejecting ways that could help because they don’t want to disappoint you.

  119. Crash2GO2 says:

    @’Jill’: “Her choice of art on her avatars to the things she talks about in her own life as if she is talking about someone else makes me worry she is a schizophrenic personality.”

    Dear God, what a nightmare you and Warren must be for Stephen right now. I thank God he at least has his mother on his side. Just because you may be a celebrity board member of a mental health institute doesn’t mean you know jack about mental illness my dear. I think you know just enough to be dangerous.

    @Lucy2: “So I’m sorry, but your whole argument isn’t making much sense to me.” Thank God someone else sees the circles ‘Jill’ is talking. Ignorance, and willfull at that!

  120. Cheyenne says:

    Jill, shut up. Just STFU. You came on here yesterday making a fool of yourself and now you come back on here and make it worse.

    You claim (#72) that you did not label this young woman schizophrenic. Honey, you are full of it. Your first post on here (#47) throws the lie right back in your face: “Why would any man stay with a woman who intends on helping to mutilate his own daughter, and believes she has the right without his approval to go above his personal beliefs, and control these signs of their schizophrenic daughter and her dillusional symptoms…” You don’t know this young woman, you never even met her, and yet you think you are qualified to diagnose her, sight unseen, as schizophrenic with “dillusional” [sic] symptoms. Every subsequent post on here has been an erroneous, fruitless effort to back up your claim that this woman is mentally ill.

    I hope you are not in any mental health field, because if you are, and you continue to make such wild, groundless claims about someone who is not your patient, your license to practice will not be worth the paper it is printed on.

  121. Jill says:

    At least you agree with me she has a mental disorder. I think people think of schizophrenia as being something worse than it really is these days. It is a treatable illness for many people with the proper medication. She’ll be just fine.

  122. Jill says:

    Excuse me, but do you know one person with breast implants that had to get evaluated by a mental team of doctors first? No. So, why do you suppose that it is okay to book a surgery in this case without the need for the question of a schizophrenic determination to explain the emotional complication? You need a team of expert opinions from a mental state facility to allow the procedure. Think about why. Then stop getting mad at me for being the only rational person besides Warren and the doctors involved concerned with this.

  123. TaylorB says:

    Jill wrote:
    “At least you agree with me she has a mental disorder. I think people think of schizophrenia as being something worse than it really is these days. It is a treatable illness for many people with the proper medication. She’ll be just fine.”

    I suspect that after reading all of your posts you would be hard pressed to find someone who agrees with most of your comments. However, I will agree that people with mental illness should be treated and perhaps kept away from computers as well.

  124. Cheyenne says:

    Jill: “At least you agree with me she has a mental disorder.”

    Who is this comment addressed to? Nobody on here but you is saying she has a “mental disorder”. And you are still ranting on and on about schizophrenia. You seem to have some vested interest in making Beatty’s child appear schizophrenic. I won’t even begin to speculate as to why.

    I hope Beatty’s daughter reads your comments about her. What you’ve said on here about her (“his schizophrenic daughter”) is flat-out libel and your ass could be sued to kingdom come. Maybe that would finally shut you up.

  125. ams511 says:

    god i hate myself for being back~

    jill you can’t even read properly. i said “not a scientist-saying i think its genetic” and i do. i don’t have to meet everyone to know that. thats MY FREAKIN OPINION!

    and i base on the fact that i have been alive 27 years & know all kinds of people. seems their genes determine a lot about them!

    god jill, i’m with cheyenne-just STFU!

  126. ams511 says:

    and you compared gender reassignment to tattoos first…now you’re on to breast implants. you’re so far off. its laughable.

    you are a joke jill. your thoughts are so under-developed.

  127. Jill says:

    Oh put a feather in your cap and burn one of your bras for me. A good subject for your next g/l/t meeting might be about why no one is normal unless they think like you.
    STFU yourself.

  128. TaylorB says:

    Jill wrote: “Oh put a feather in your cap and burn one of your bras for me.”

    Interesting suggestions, however and I am only speaking for myself, I never wear bras as I find them uncomfortable so I have none to burn and as for caps I just do not have a ‘hat face’, so considering I have no cap to feather or bra to burn and I am feeling a bit left out, do you have any other suggestions or shall I say slightly less misguided attempts at insults? I must confess I am more than curious what you will come up with next…

  129. ams511 says:

    ha jill, you have proven my point.

    i’m happy with people just thinking.

  130. Bubbles says:

    @Wonderful – Yes I was adding to your point that there is a whole lot of junk on the internet, (I know you were mocking it so I added some credible sites to start with for *other posters* who might want to read them and follow the links). The intention is to give a good place for people to start with to research on the internet. There are many good and credible sites for research and info, though you have to be careful and always keep tracing it down to its original source/study. Internet research is not ALL bad.

    @Jill, I think you probably pushed the buttons of a lot of people (at least in my case anyway) with friends and relatives who have this condition and might be like “What?” to some of the things you’ve added here – tweaking some personal emotions. I do agree with you that she should get evaluated, absolutely. I think you are entitled to your opinion no matter what it is and how educated you might be in the subject – this is a forum for opinions and gossip isn’t it? I also think you’re right about Annette needing an eval too if she’s going to offer to pay for it at risk of her marriage. I also think if Stephen wants it that badly, she/he should work for the money for it and make it count. Just my opinion.

  131. lucy2 says:

    regarding post #123 – I’m thoroughly confused. You seem to be convinced mental illness is causing this situation, but then say “You need a team of expert opinions from a mental state facility to allow the procedure.” So clearly if there is a mental illness, the procedure won’t be allowed! So I don’t see what the problem is. Let the team of experts do their job, make a determination, and go from there – no surgery will happen without a clean evaluation, especially on someone fairly young. If your feeling is that gender surgery is wrong no matter what a person’s mental health is, OK, that’s your opinion. But I just don’t understand this potential schizophrenia argument when there are clear cut requirements to prevent what you’re concerned about, that you yourself have acknowledged in post #123.

    Honestly I try not to get personal on this board, but your posts seem to indicate that YOU have a problem with people who don’t agree your every word. And calling everyone else irrational hippies certainly doesn’t help your case.

  132. Jill says:

    Bubbles; This person and it is a human being regardless of gender has a mother who I am sure is scared if she does not go along with this right now, might do something drastic to hurt herself. Let’s not forget she is an actress, and this might be the biggest performance of her life. Deep down it might be crushing her as well. Then again, there could be nothing going on upstairs and she herself might need some medication.
    How a mother can honestly give into a childs dangerous desire is beyond comprehension to me. Thank you for your
    nice words. I appreciate you not hitting me on my head everytime I post something.

  133. TaylorB says:

    Jill wrote: ‘You need a team of expert opinions from a mental state facility to allow the procedure. Think about why. Then stop getting mad at me for being the only rational person besides Warren and the doctors involved concerned with this.’

    Hmmmm… ‘a team of expert… from a mental state facility’

    I must confess I am not on the same page of rational thinking as you, and as you claim Warren are. Though I have suspected for some time that many state run faclilities are in fact mental, you may be on to something here. I have an idea, and call me crazy or schizophrenic if you so desire, but you may want to investigate the DMV I am fairly sure that that is in fact a ‘mental state facility’ that may well benefit from your analysis.

  134. I Choose Me says:

    “Then stop getting mad at me for being the only rational person besides Warren and the doctors involved concerned with this.”

    The irrationality of that statement alone makes me think that Jill is projecting. Either that or she (or he) is a troll.

  135. TaylorB says:

    “Then stop getting mad at me for being the only rational person besides Warren and the doctors involved concerned with this”

    I think I can safely say that no one here is mad at you for being the ‘only rational person’.

    By the way how do you know that the doctors involved in Stephens surgery are concerned? Are you one of them?

  136. Cheyenne says:

    @Jill: You still don’t get it, do you?

    You appear to have a serious mental block that shuts out everything but the voices inside your head. I am going to type this one word at a time in big letters and hope maybe some of it will register:


    Is that really so hard for you to comprehend?

    At this point I’m not sure if you are seriously mentally disturbed your own self, or if you are just flat-out stupid. In either case, you have spewed more than enough bullshit on this thread. Now get gone.

  137. Crash2GO2 says:

    “You need a team of expert opinions from a mental state facility to allow the procedure.”

    Gee – now what makes me think YOUR thinking is stuck in the 50’s and 60’s when it might have been possible to commit someone based on a father’s disgruntlement with his grown child’s decisions? I assure you, this is no longer the case.

    Stick that feather in your cap. But please don’t go away, because I admit this is a horribly fascinating glimpse into the mind of someone used to getting their way and who has been told since they were a child that their shit didn’t stink. It’s so nice of you to drop in on us peasants and entertain us with your lofty thoughts and opinions.

  138. Jill says:

    A lot of you – not all of you think your way of thinking is rational. I happen to disagree with it. This child is not an adult yet, and even if she was 32 she could still be too young mentally or incapable of making such a decision. My opinion of her potential illness is my opinion from what I’ve read about her and things I’ve read from her own mind. You don’t have to insult me for having an opinion. Kathlyn/Stephen/ Eugene Tapdance -whatever she wants to be called today -talks about herself in the third person. It isn’t normal.

    She has animals transforming from her body in avatars. She’s very disturbed imo. I hope she gets the medicine she needs.

  139. LindaR says:

    ha ha best comments ever! Cheyenne and TaylorB you guys rock. Jill. Take your meds honey and don’t think that everything you read on the internet is about you and your problems.

    (gawd, I love Celebitchy)

  140. Anti-icon says:

    Annette Benning has been such a positive role model for women—so beautiful and talented and she was the one who finally captured and locked down Warren Beatty, who was GORGEOUS in his day (Splendor in the Grass, my God was he hot in that, and yes, please do Natalie Wood’s life revisited. She was an enigma.

    I wish this family all the best. They have done a good job of keeping their life out of the press.

  141. TaylorB says:

    “My opinion of her potential illness is my opinion from what I’ve read about her and things I’ve read from her own mind.”

    You read his mind? Well that is quite an accomplishment. Did you do that before or after you read the minds of his doctors and his father? Is that how you discovered that Stephen is a schizophrenic? Or is it possible that you do not know Stephen, Warren, Annette or any of the doctors involved and you have simply made all of this up to satisfy your own desires because you are threatened by or afraid of transgender people. If not and you really are involved in this as a family member please accept my apology but honestly you should be speaking to your family not commenters on a blog if you are so bothered, if you are one of the doctors involved you should have your license revoked because you should not discuss issues regarding your patient in public.

  142. Crash2GO2 says:

    @TaylorB: I do believe she means things she has read from Stephen’s writings.

  143. TaylorB says:


    Thank you for the clarification I would suspect you are correct, but to be fair after several of the posts from Jill it is a bit hard to tell what exactly she is saying. My apologies to Jill if I misunderstood.

  144. wonderful says:

    Jill: Honey just no, you keep going on about this “potential illness” as if it isnt completely offensive that you are basing this “potential illness” on nothing whatsoever other than her writing, which you deem to be “abnormal.” I would imagine the thoughts of a man trapped in a woman’s body would seem strange to those without the problem, and again, you are offensive in your statements that this indicates a very serious mental illness. I have repeated this about 20 times now – please get it through your head.

  145. Crash2GO2 says:

    @TaylorB: I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have interjected. You’re right, Jill is being anything but clear and I guess I just didn’t want to give her one more tangent to run off onto.

  146. TaylorB says:

    Crash I am fairly sure you and I are on the same page, and I am totally sure it is not the same “rational” page that Jill is on. 😉

  147. Anti-icon says:

    #90 Cheyenne. I like your perspective on the topic today. I am familiar with both mental illness and also, to a much lesser degree but still personally, with someone who identified as transgendered and had the surgery to change sexes.

    These are apples and oranges—mental illness and gender identity. They both have medical protocols that require lots of therapy with very highly trained mental health experts. Gender reassignment therapy is just as extensive as therapy which must be undertaken regularly as a mental patient or identity disordered personality also requires.

    Elen Saks is a schizophrenic who wrote an autobiography “The Center Cannot Hold” which details her life as a Harvard Law School Graduate and Rhodes Scholar who studies the law as it pertains to mental disabilities. I would say she lives not just a “normal” life, but a vaulted one. She takes medication and is married. Her book is a triumph because it shows her inner debate with needing meds and therapy.

  148. Cheyenne says:

    @Anti-: A big problem with a lot of schizophrenic patients is that the medication can be so effective that they feel great and decide to stop taking it. Then they still feel great after a week and decide they no longer need it. But psychotropic medication can remain in your system for up to two weeks after you stop taking it. After that time is when the deterioration inevitably sets in, unless the patient has resumed the meds.

    Unlike a lot of mentally ill patients, Saks seems to have accepted the reality that she may need to take her meds indefinitely, just as a diabetic will have to take insulin for the rest of his life. That is probably the reason she is functioning so well.

  149. Bubbles says:

    Is it a potential sign of mental illness when someone spends too much time living through a virtual world (i.e. a forum) where they can make fun of other people’s “problems”/”opinions” whom they really don’t know other than by what they’ve ‘read in writings posted by them’?

    Is it me ? or are *some posters*, doing exactly what Jill is accused of doing by ‘reading’ into Stephen’s writings, — by making blanket analyses on Jill’s mental status based on her posts here?

    I’m starting to wonder if we all have mental problems just by investing in this topic so much…

    Just sayin’. Am I the only one noticing the hypocrisy?

  150. wonderful says:

    I see what you are saying Bubbles, however I think most people were trying to say Jill had no idea what state her mind was in, and therefore shouldnt even bring it up. Not saying she IS of a sound mind, because we have no idea about that either. It would be like everyone debating over whether or not it would be right to say I have schizophrenia. Why even bring it up? Ridiculous and totally random. Yes, we all need to take a deep breath and move along.

  151. TaylorB says:


    You are correct, I must confess I am being a hypocrite, and you are absolutely correct my behaviour was rude and uncalled for.

    I am sorry to offend. I guess we all can get frustrated from time to time when someone elses reasoning escapes us.

  152. Mrs Carter says:

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    i always love this couple. I think they are wonderful. Annette is a natural wonderful mother and i think Warren is very caring. I hope they’ll overcome the obstacles together. I wish they don’t split up.

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