Brangelina’s alleged 2004 affair revisited by Israeli spy & Hollywood producer

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How many more times are we going to have to go back to 2004? How many times are we going to have to revisit the set of Mr. and Mrs. Smith? What is this obsession? Is it because we still don’t really know what went down between Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, and when, and where, and how? I suspect that even if Brad and Angelina did a press conference today and said “We boned for the first time on Blah Day, 2005” it would still be one of the biggest entertainment stories EVER. Anyway, Page Six has an “excerpt” from a Hollywood producer’s memoir, even a cursory connection to Brangelina is still super-important:

An unauthorized book detailing a Hollywood producer’s former life as an Israeli secret agent says he witnessed Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie fall for each other on the set of “Mr. & Mrs. Smith,” while Pitt was married to Jennifer Aniston.

According to “Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan,”by Joseph Gelman and Meir Doron, “Milchan introduced Pitt to Jolie and immediately sensed that there was a spark between them.”

Despite denials from Pitt and Jolie that their romance began before his split with Aniston, the book alleges, “A passionate romance ensued, with one slight problem . . . Pitt was married to [Aniston] . . . when Aniston kicked Pitt out of the house, all hell broke loose.”

Milchan is quoted, “When I heard that Brad left home . . . I offered that he stay at my house in Malibu. He drove to the set . . . on a motorcycle, and he wore a wrap-around helmet with a tinted visor so no one could recognize him.”

[From Page Six]

Specific dates or GTFO. What’s interesting, to me, is that the bigger story seems to be that this Milchan guy was laundering Israeli money through Hollywood for years and years and barely anyone noticed. Probably because everybody was still fighting over when exactly Brangelina started boning.

Memories…

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  1. Pyewacket says:

    I do not care.

  2. Mary says:

    Ditto!!

  3. Cherry says:

    @Pyewacket & Mary: And yet, you read the story and even took the time to place a comment… LOL

  4. Addie says:

    No affair here people, let’s move it along.

    When Brad went to Kenya, it was obvious he wanted to prove himself to Angie. She was on her way to adopt her daughter Zahara ALONE.
    He later adopted both her and Maddox I’m sure only after Angie was satified that this dude was for real.

  5. Melissa says:

    Everyone knows that they started sleeping together while he was still involved in his marraige to JA. But it is 6 years and 6 kids later. It’s not like it was the first or last time for that to happen in HW. And I really believe that Jennifer Aniston could care less now. It’s time we all move on already.

  6. endoplasmic_ridiculum says:

    Where the F*#@ were News of the World when we really needed them??????

  7. ??? says:

    Brad is a d!ck. Second last picture jolie looks gross too way too skinny.

  8. Dhavy says:

    Who cares when it was?

    They always look hot

  9. Laura says:

    I’m sorry, but when you get the hottest male and female on the planet together to shoot a movie they’ll probably hook up. Not surprising. They make way more sense together than Pitt and Aniston, IMO. Especially considering how uncool Aniston seems lately with her unrelenting press crap.

  10. Rita says:

    If the Mossad was involved I have to wonder if Jennifer Aniston has Palestinian ties.

    It’s all coming together now. The highly trained lethal weapon that is Arnon Milchan, code named “Gerbil One” took those grainy surveillance photos of Brad and Jolie, code named BJ (for reasons I can’t divulge) to disrupt the peace negotiations. Apparently, JA (not to be confused with AJ or BJ) called Yasser Arafat demanding he sue for peace immediately but Yasser wouldn’t take her call as he was in the middle of a private screening of The Sound Of Music.

    Gotta love Hollywood insiders.

  11. katnip says:

    for all the “everyones” that know when they got together.. I wish you would release the picture or the actual persons that can prove it.

    we are heading to 7 years. And in all that time not one picture, voice mail, email, actual account of anyone that can say they were doing anything before Brad and Aniston announced their separation in January..

    or a picture of them together before that April pic of them on that beach..

    waiting.. waiting…waiting… waiting..waiting.. waiting.

    well I guess not.

  12. Mary says:

    @Pyewacket & Mary: And yet, you read the story and even took the time to place a comment… LOL

    I should have been more clear. I don’t care what that producer has to say. I’m an JP fan. He is just another coattail rider. IMO

  13. folly says:

    how many years ago has this happened?move on already,i am not remotedly aniston fan but i am sure she has move on,everybody should just move on already,why did all this people always throw brad and jolie name in anything they want to sell

  14. Madisyn says:

    This is beyond a NON-story.

  15. I think aniston changed her name for a counter attack.Trust me,we’ll all be seeing chelsea at the book signing.

  16. renee says:

    Does anyone else think that she looks like Miley Cyrus in the picture where she is wearing the white dress shirt or is it just me?

  17. Pyewacket says:

    @Cherry- Last I knew, I was free to comment how I like here.

  18. Carlotta Love says:

    Um, Katnip, AJ herself said they fell in love while making the movie (the whole thing about how their kids would get to see that and how rare it is), so where is the disconnect?! It no longer matters to most, but for those of you denying it happened while Brad and Jen were still married: Delusional much?! It is NOT an “alleged” affair. It happened, according to Jolie. And that said, let’s all move on. I mean Ryan Phillippe is dating someone half his age! Ewww!!! We have more pressing gossip to discuss! ;)

  19. Praise St. Angie! says:

    that last pic looks like wax figures.

    (I honestly don’t know what their Mme. Tussaud’s statues look like…is that them?)

    so, Israeli spy turned movie producer? shades of Chili Palmer, eh?

  20. Bb says:

    Actually brad Pitt is the one that said he fell in love on mr and mrs smith. It’s rolling stone magazine he said his favorite movie is mr and mrs smith because he fell in love. Big whoopee doo. The only people denying it are the people who think brad is mr perfect. I bet he was the one that seduced her too and now he’s cheating on Angelina . Next.

  21. mln76 says:

    I call bullshit sounds like this money launderer is using what’s most probably a very slight Brangelina connection to sell books.

  22. sharylmj says:

    You can’t control who you fall in love with and when it happens. Sometimes people get hurt in the process. I think they handled the situation with class. Just like they do with everything else. The haters are still trying to make this relationship an “affair”, from what we can see, it’s so much more.

  23. Truthful says:

    I mean I thought we all knew they fell in love on the set of their movie–no news to me..

    awww, Jen weeps again–come on,more rehashing?? smdh.

    wow, 2004–I sometimes think they are already married and we’ll never know. maybe in a small village that they bought together and we’ll never EVA know.

    what I don’t buy is “he has only slept w/Ang since 2004–nope, not buying it.

    He still looks DAMN good though and is so laid backand sexy ..not crazy acting and neurotic.

    TOM take note..

  24. ShellyMay says:

    And Jennifer Aniston’s publicist will have a reporter bring this up in an interview to deflect from the fact she stole someone’s boyfriend in 5,4,3,2,1.

  25. the original bellaluna says:

    Don’t care a tic, but the NY Times article about the producer is interesting!

  26. sandy#1 says:

    non story, but brad would never do that, no one in Hollywood has ever said a negative thing about him or his character, except his former wife pr team, but ja tried building her career off of it so.. until this day. truth is, i am so happy for them (b/a) what an influential couple, while his ex herself is stealing people’s men, and dating every tom, dick, and harry. maybe it’s good brad found angie, what a win and an upgrade.

  27. Jana says:

    When they first appeared together — but far apart — the last photo, she was so much healthier looking. Look at her arms in the shimmery casual dress.

  28. ShellyMay says:

    @Jana
    I was thinking the same thing. Maybe she was pregnant with Shiloh by then.

  29. mln76 says:

    @Bb here is what Brad ACTUALLY SAID….”What people don’t understand is that we filmed for a year. We were still filming after Jen and I split up,”
    He and Jolie have denied over and over again that they ever slept together while he was married. Heck even Jen and Courtney Cox denied there was actually cheating and said that Brad was honest about Jolie ‘getting under his skin’ . And if Aniston kicked him out of the house why were they still living in separate wings of the same mansion AFTER they announced separation. This guy is full of it. Aniston and Pitt were already rumored to be separated and fighting over starting a family way back when he was filming Troy…IMO Brangelina had an emotional affair and flirtation but didn’t act on their feelings until after he separated….Nothing this crook has said changes my mind.

  30. Bb says:

    Mln, you left out the part where he says Mr and mrs smith is his favorite movie because he fell in love. either way you look at it he fell in love with Angelina during his marriage. he’s a cheater. blah blah to the rest of it.

  31. Nanea says:

    The Truth about The Triangle, brought to you exclusively by the NYP, a NI property.

    So yeah, I totally believe that this is fair and balanced research and reporting… *rolls eyes*

  32. Katherine says:

    Well, if you pay attention when you read Milchan is not quoted as saying anything about Brad and Angie – it’s the authors of the book – not Milchan – who go on about a romance between Brad and Angelina.

    THIS is what Milchan is quoted as saying:
    “When I heard that Brad left home . . . I offered that he stay at my house in Malibu. He drove to the set . . . on a motorcycle, and he wore a wrap-around helmet with a tinted visor so no one could recognize him.”

    That’s it! It is the authors who take liberties with the words of Milchan and others by paraphrasing and taking things out of context. Everyone said that the 2 stars had chemistry on the set. So chemistry becomes a “spark” in the words of the authors.

    So, in effect, the authors are deceiving the public and once again someone else is using Brad and Angelina to get attention.

  33. danielle says:

    they were hot back in the day – at this point they appear to have sucked the hot out of each other…

  34. mln76 says:

    @Bb I don’t know how much clearer his quote can be he that He fell in love AFTER he and Aniston split and filed for divorce. You can believe it or not but that’s what he said and if what he said is true he isn’t a cheater.

    EDIT :@ Katherine I wonder about what kind of education people received that they have such a hard time with reading comprehension.

    I KNOW RIGHT!

  35. Katherine says:

    Olivia at 14, that blogger’s headline is deceiving. He DOES NOT say they were hacked. Yet another person hoping the names of Brad and Angelina will get his blog attention. Read it again. He clearly says in the text that he only HOPES that Brad and Angelina were victims of hacking so that there will be some big named American hacking victim who has the resources to fight Murdoch. In other words he WISHES they were on the list of victims.

    Even in the comments he reiterates when challenged that he never said that any of the 3 (Brad, Angie or Jennifer) were hacked. Just that it would have made a great scenario if true.

    Sometimes I wonder about what kind of education people received that they have such a hard time with reading comprehension.

  36. Carlotta Love says:

    Bb and min76: That’s not what I’m talking about. The quote from Jolie to Popsugar.com says, “Not a lot of people get to see a movie where their parents fell in love.” The quote is from 10/16/08. Google it if you want to verify. My point is that this makes it clear to me that it wasn’t an “alleged” affair. It was an affair, period. But it’s also ancient history!

  37. Katherine says:

    Carlotta Love, how many times do you have to be told and directed to the real quote – the full quote – where it is plain as day that Angie was talking about the characters of John and Jane and NOT of the real people Brad and Angie.

    The full quote talks about “falling in love and trying to kill each other” – which, of course, is what John and Jane SMith did and NOT what Brad and Angie did. One day the Jolie-Pitt children will see those cahracters do those things.

    Get it? Why is this so hard?

    And despite what you say it must still matter to you so much that you continue to distort the truth. I hope it isn’t deliberate and that you just don’t realize your mistake.

  38. Katherine says:

    Bb: July 19th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Why is MAMS so important to you?

    Brad: Because I fell in love.

    Ms. Blah Blah, it is equally consistent that he fell in love BECAUSE of Mr and Mrs Smith which is obviously true without referring at all to when it happened. You are trying to spin it in a way that puts words in Brad’s mouth.

    Of course, I don’t have to remind you what Brad reminded everyone that Mr and Mrs Smith started in Jan 2004 and ended in early April 2005 – months after his separation and after divorce papers were filed. Also during a time his ex wife was allegedly already involved with another man.

    So tiresome. Blah blah blah is right.

  39. Cheyenne says:

    Olivia, give it a rest, will you? It’s been seven years already. Shit gets old.

    Who the hell cares who did what when after all this time?

  40. Katherine says:

    Cheyenne, I take your point. In some ways you are very right but it does piss me off that people can falsely accuse others of less than honorable behavior based on no proof at all and despite proof to the contrary.

    I also realize that no matter how often you correct the misquotes, lies and point out that all people have are their own biased suppositions, there will always be people who want it to be a certain way and will deny reality.

    Look at Carlotta Love who continues to distort Angies’ quote by conveniently omitting the phrases that debunk her supposition. That has to be deliberate.

  41. Bb says:

    MLN, Mr and Mrs smith was done filming before his divorce. Mr perfect cheated on Jennifer Aniston with Angelina Jolie and now the rumor is he’s cheating on Angelina. P.S. she looked so much better before Brad. she looked much healthier.

  42. mln76 says:

    @Bb Sorry but you are just plain wrong. He took a break in April 2004 to film Oceans 12. Him and Aniston announced their divorce in January 2005 MAMS re-shoots took place in March 2005 According to Brad that is when him and Angelina started their relationship. They first appeared together as a couple in April 2005 and by the way ShellyMay and Jana Shiloh wasn’t born until May 27 2006 over a year after their first photo together so she wasn’t pregnant.
    Here is a link with an actual timeline
    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1066184,00.html

  43. katnip says:

    @Bb

    and Jennifer was involved (sleeping with Vince) before the divorce was final..
    So Ms. America’s sweetheart was right there too. according to your logic.

    @Katherine the majority have a hard time understanding when a film starts and begins. But the obsession over Brad/Angie being together has reached a point of craziness. Some of the people here act as if they were the ones left by Brad and that Angie got with their man.

    And they need to hate them for reasons that are too beyond understanding. Especially since this has been almost 7 years. And the same nasty comments. Attacking her just because it is her.

    But I just hope Brad/Angie stay together happy with their family. I wonder how many of these people spend time running from site to site to spew that hate. Well keep doing it. because the bottom line is LIKE It or NOT they are together and nothing the nasty commenters or tabloids have done or said have changed that fact.

    deal and go take care of your own lives. Brad and Angie seem to be doing just fine.

  44. Very Telling says:

    @Carlotta Love I didn’t realize “falling in love with someone” = having an affair.I fell in love with my husband years before we started dating.I didn’t acknowledge my feelings until I was transfered to another department at work.@Bb actually AJ was thinner before MMS(with the exception of her training for Lara Croft)Google the pics.This book says nothing but it will get attn because on 1 page it mentions Brad and Angie.

  45. Bb says:

    MLN, You are one of the posters believing brad Pitt is perfect and could do no wrong. I am not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston divorce but I am pretty sure they separated in Jan. and filed for divorce later. DUH. You are very gullible.
    -
    very telling, she was the healthiest in 2002 – 2004 and then she went back to ultra skinny when she got with Mr perfect. bottom line.. she doesn’t look healthy anymore. so sad.

  46. Runs with Scissors says:

    @Katherine, mln76, Katnip, thank you!

    Gets tiresome as hell when people REFUSE to take actual FACTS into consideration. Thanks for having the energy and patience that I usually lack :)

    This is yet another desperate assh0le trying to ride the coattails of Angie and Brad. Aniston and people like this should be paying freaking income tax to them!

  47. Anonymous says:

    Very Telling: I understand what you’re saying, but if you are married and have pledged your love to your spouse – then, yes, I believe falling in love with someone other than your partner does constitute an affair, albeit an emotional one, which can be equally or more damaging than a physical affair, depending on your perspective. That’s my opinion; we don’t have to agree.

    Katherine, relax already! It’s gossip. It’s not my life or yours and I’m not intentionally misleading anyone. Why would I? If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I happen to believe, based on what happened, that BP and AJ fell in love and had an affair while he was still married. Maybe it was an emotional affair that wasn’t consumated until later. Who the hell knows besides them? (And if you think they’re necessarily going to be honest about it in interviews, you’re naive.) Can you comprehend that?! Sheesh.

    Oops, this is Carlotta Love, not Anonymous! Switched from my phone to my PC, hence the mix-up.

  48. Carlotta Love says:

    Oops, the “Anonymous” is me. Switched from my phone to my PC, hence the mix-up.

  49. Kim says:

    File this under DUH. We all know they hooked up when he was still married. What amazes me is he came off unscathed while Angelina appeared the bad guy! He was the one who was married NOT Angelina. Even if she pursued him – he was the one married for goodness sake. What a cad!!!! He should be looked at as a bad guy who cheated on his wife – because he did.

  50. Very telling says:

    @Carlotta Love Personally I can’t control who I fall in love with(feeling) but I can control(behavior) by not acting on my feelings.I believe discussing your feelings with the other person and sharing your innermost thoughts / fantasies would be an emotional affair if one or both of you are in a relationship . Are you saying you can “decide” who you fall in love with? Also if you fall in love with a person you have never spoken to or met or you having an “affair”? An example would be, you see a person across a crowded room and its love at first sight.My sister fell in love with her husband that way.In your opinion did she have an emotional affair even they though they never met that day?Looking forward to your response this is very fascinating topic IMO

  51. Wow says:

    To say you don’t believe that they had an affair because they said they didn’t in ridiculous! Of course they wouldn’t admit it, both of their careers depend on their image.

    And @Katherine, THIS is the EXACT quote from the New York Times, NOT the Daily Mail.

    “Nonetheless, she said, she looks forward to the day when she can put “Mr. and Mrs. Smith” in the DVD player for the children; “not a lot of people get to see a movie where their parents fell in love.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/movies/19harr.html?pagewanted=2

    But of course that was after him and Aniston filed for divorce, right? When they went back for reshoots of course….

  52. mln76 says:

    @Bb I find it hilarious that you had the audacity to say ‘Duh’ to prove your point especially when you’ve been factually proven wrong on several points thanks for the laugh. I don’t think Brad, Angelina or any other person on this earth is perfect but I do think Brad and Angelina do good work and have been put over the coals for their alleged infidelity, especially when all parties involved have denied an actual affair ever happened. The flimsy excuse that they were cheating because Brad wasn’t technically divorced at the time of the second shoot only separated with announced intentions to divorce is even funnier… Have a great afternoon :)

  53. mln76 says:

    @Wow Did you read my comment at 1:16 ? I said you could choose to believe what Brad said or not. You can also choose to believe Courtney Cox Jen’s best friend when she said Brad was completely honest with Aniston or not. As for the quote it’s been talked about over and over again that she was referring to the characters.

  54. Praise St. Angie! says:

    I can’t believe that I’m doing this to myself (that is, getting involved in this stupid fight) but here goes…

    regarding the quote about seeing mommy and daddy fall in love…the non-brange fans use that as “proof” they cheated, and the brange fans always counter with the follow up quote of “…and tried to kill each other”.

    WHERE was the original quote printed? because it looks like it was from an interview with a NY Times writer (as linked above). why did the writer omit the follow up part?

    and if the follow up is also an actual quote, when and where was it was finally revealed/printed? has to be SOMEwhere as it’s constantly brought up on these threads but it’s not sourced.

    I have to ask because I see a LOT of folks on here (both “sides”) claim quotes attributed to one or the other, but never provide a source and when I google for it, nothing comes up.

    example: someone claimed that Pitt said that he “chased her around the world”…the ONLY place I found that quote was in a comment from a fan…something like “of course he chased her…he chased her around the world to win her heart” or something like that.

    so, I ask not to challenge and be a pain, but because I’m seriously curious as to the veracity of that quote and why it was omitted from the NYT interview/article.

    thanks in advance!

  55. Embee says:

    Meh.

    I think they were “inappropriate” before the separation/divorce but it probably didn’t rise to the legal level of infidelity. But tell that to a scorned spouse’s heart, right? I think that’s the source of the schism: legally, they did nothing wrong, but it was tremendously hurtful to JA. Not black and white.

    I do think you control with whom you fall in love. Love doesn’t happen instantly, although very powerful attractions do. It is very difficult to walk away from that powerful attraction (it’s stronger than most drugs) but people have and do all the time. Sometimes those “love at first sight” things work out, lots of times they don’t.

    It worked for these two and they’re parenting a half dozen kids and doing good work all over the globe so…it’s just not the most interesting thing about them anymore.

    What IS interesting is how the “Bermuda triangle” continues to be such a crucible, seven years later.

  56. anonymous says:

    Oh for crying out loud I like Angelina Jolie as an actress but back then she had a hot crotch, a totally different person, stop pretending some of you that she was Saint Angie back then. What is serious is what have just been revealed. The fact that Jennifer Aniston threw him out, he didn’t leave on his own to be with Angelina. I was under the impression that he met Angie on the set of Mr and Mrs Smith and fell in love, but now it seems he was out to get laid behind JA back. And could it be ? That Brad pitt was actually sort of homeless on the beach with Angie and her adopted son Maddox in that famous picture? Well, well, well,I am not so sure about the AJ & BP relationship anymore.

  57. Hannah says:

    @ Praise St. Angie, from what I can see there are two seperate quotes, one from a reputable newspaper which suggests they cheated, and one from the Daily Mail which suggests she was talking about their characters. But she could have easily said something similar twice, with both quotes being used as prosecution and defence by both camps.

    And @ mln, Jennifer said she ‘chose’ to believe her husband, but that doesn’t mean anyone else does. Or even that she believed him herself. It just means she tried to take the heat off of them. It was a pretty classy move on her part, as she could have thrown them both under the bus, but she took the high road.

    The truth is we’ll just never know, and getting worked up about it 7 years later is pointless.

  58. Maritza says:

    No one cares anymore how it happened. They are still together and make a gorgeous couple that’s all that matters.

  59. Praise St. Angie! says:

    Hannah, I appreciate your reply, but I was looking for a link to an actual quote. I don’t know the reputation of the Daily Mail, but I understand it’s kind of a tabloid publication. I doubt that Jolie would give them an interview (if it is in fact a tabloid).

    Which makes me think any quote that the Daily Mail may have was lifted from another publication. which again raises the question as to why the NY Times interviewer omitted that part, and where it was eventually published. (or if it’s even true.)

    I have never seen a link to a verified quote where she says the follow up line. In my comment above, I referenced a phrase that some claim as a direct quote from Pitt. “chased her around the world” That fan quote was repeated enough to the point that it evolved into a direct quote from Pitt, though I can find no evidence he ever said those words. (I searched because I thought that was such a sweet thing to say that I wanted to read the whole interview.)

    and part of me thinks that just MAYBE the follow up part “and try to kill each other” was NOT a quote but was added tongue-in-cheek by a writer who lifted the original quote. and it eventually evolved into an actual, verified quote from Jolie. I don’t know for sure…I just want the truth, dang it! ;)

    It’s not as if this only happens in show biz. the Palin “I can see Russia from my house” and the Gore “I invented the internet” are examples of urban myth becoming actual quotes.

  60. gossip lover says:

    This is an unauthorize book,so it means most of the things in the book are lies,by the way i doubt aniston dumped brad,it was the other way round,if it makes her fans to feel better then let them imagine she did the dumping,aniston is a homewrecker herself so whatever

  61. Embee says:

    I thought that I saw AJ say that on an interview w/GMA? Maybe I’m hallucinating.

  62. mln76 says:

    @Hannah I get what you are saying about Jen’s quote. Let’s not forget that Cox said she also believes he was honest. As we are are well aware there are more than one ways to see this situation and no one is changing their minds however the story above is laughable and doesn’t correspond with the known set of events . BTW when compared to the way Reese and Sandra and Elin handled their first interviews in much worse circumstances Jen comes out much farther from classy and much closer to insecure, whiny and manipulative IMO.

  63. Hannah says:

    @ Praise, I’m pretty sure you are right, I can’t find any evidence that the Daily Mail interviewed her, and some fans have a habit of polishing things to look more flattering.

    On the other Jolie post today someone posted- “Actually she gave an undisclosed portion of her salary (rumored to be all) to charities in Cambodia so she deserves credit.”

    Rumored to be all? I think she’s pretty generous with her earnings, but I’ve never heard that from anywhere but the comments section on a gossip blog. Thus it goes from a rumor and is repeated until in a few years time it’s a fact.

    Edited to add that Reece called her divorce ‘humiliating’ and ‘painful’ but they have to be civil for their children, Sandra had to bury her head or risk being dragged down with her ex-husband, and Elin probably got paid millions to keep her silence. Really Jennifer has said barely anything, but she had the right to say whatever the hell she wanted….

  64. jocular says:

    It’s great your asking for the article links! @Praise St. Angie, I’m interested in reading any replies also. The arguments go on and on, very few points are ever addressed successfully because of lack of links to source material i.e the actual interview and/or the unedited quotes. It really is the best way to build your case/essay… That sounds rather formal I know – but if you’re willing to put so much time (see above) into what tries to be in depth and objective analysis, back it up. Unfortunately otherwise it seems entirely biased, from both sides. thanks

  65. Camille says:

    @Mary and Laura: I agree with you both and I don’t care either.

    They make one hell of a gorgeous, hugely charismatic couple though.
    Brad really seems to have met his match in AJ. ;)

  66. Bb says:

    Kim: July 19th, 2011 at 3:12 pmFile this under DUH. We all know they hooked up
    when he was still married. What amazes me is he came off unscathed while Angelina appeared the bad guy! He was the one who was married NOT Angelina. Even if she pursued him – he was the one married for goodness sake. What a cad!!!! He should be looked at as a bad guy who cheated on his wife – because he did.

    Exactly.

  67. CHRISTIAN_GIRL says:

    Falling is love is not hooking up no more than hooking up is falling in love.
    BP had room in his heart to fall in love, beacuse he was not already in love. He had to end his marriage to pursue that, but it seems as if people wished he would have stayed married. That is cruel. I support marriage, but if you don’t have love, you don’t have a marriage, you have some sort of partnership. That seems to be how they approached their marriage which speaks to why BP says “he did not know he could experience this much love”. What married man is not experiencing love. Doomed to end. You can not learn to love again like in the movies. Best for all parties to end the marriage. Even JA deserves a husband that loves HER. BP could not be that man for reasons only they know. AJ seems to think he is for her. His cheating on AJ is bullocks too, as if he could leave a marriage how much easier to leave a gilfriend. Why cheat and not just walk away. Kids or no kids. I believe he loves AJ AND HIS KIDS and it probably took his marriage and divorce to show him that.

  68. sandy says:

    i believe Brad pursued Angie after he had informed Jen that he could no longer be in their marriage. I don’t think that’s cheating. I always thought Brad was vulnerable after his break-up with Paltrow and that’s why he might have married Aniston. on hindsight Brad and Jen didn’t look all loved up as much as he and Angie do.

  69. Laughternrain says:

    Actually, NO Melissa, everyone does NOT know they started sleeping together when he was still with Aniston. Because he DIDN’T, and the proof is there that he didn’t. Most people know that there was no affair.

  70. Laughternrain says:

    Charlotta Love, please get your facts straight. Angelina said her kids can see a movie where their parents fell in love AND TRIED TO KILL EACH OTHER. It was more than obvious she was refering to their CHARACTERS – Mr and Mrs Smith who fell in love, got married and were hired assassins who tried to kill the other.

    To this day, neither Angelina nor Brad have ever admitted to falling in love on set, let alone an affair. On the contrary. ALL involved, including Aniston and Cox, have all said no affair happened. These people should know. And the evidence that no affair happened is very strong and speaks for itself. If you want to dislike Angelina fine. But don’t peddle delusional LIES from the TRASHLOIDS that have been debunked. Most people now know no affair happened.

  71. katnip says:

    At this point what difference dose it make. Obviously they were and are more than a fling.

    Whether some people like it or not they are together. and the fact that this discussion is still going on has to be some kind of record.

    And once again someone uses them to sell their sh*t that no one would have cared about had it not mentioned Brad and Angelina.

    I hope they stay together for many many many years to come. I actually think they are a great couple. I see them quite in love and happy together.

  72. Josephina says:

    Christian Girl -

    “Falling is love is not hooking up no more than hooking up is falling in love.”

    Whoa!!! Tell that…school is in session and all students are asked to return to their seats, please… School ‘em!!!

    BTW, Aniston was intimately involved with Vince Vaughn well before the divorce finalized, and that glaring fact gets brushed under the rug in order to focus on hot sexy Brad hooking up with hot sexy Jolie…

    So…was Aniston cheating on Brad in 2005? How is it no one cares or notices?

    How is it that Aniston had time to make snarky remarks about Brad and Angie in 2005… shouldn’t she have placed her energy into her new budding romance with Vince? What, he was not enough of a distraction?

    For those of you that think Brad cheated,…why would Aniston be interested in referencing Brad in interview upon interview? If a man cheated on me I would not give him the satisfaction of mentioning him in any future conversation. I would not go on public record saying that I save his voicemails, that I am proud of him or his work, … and I certainly would not bestow him a loving look as he sits next to the woman with whom he cheated on me as I stand anxiously onstage, for the world to see, at the 2009 Academy Awards show.

    I have said it before— Aniston has a problem with Angie. Now we all know why. The way that Brad loves Angie is the way that Brad should have loved Aniston. He just was not that into Aniston the way he is into Angie. Anyone can see this.

  73. Zara says:

    Brad is a coward and did not handle his divorce well. He was so concerned about looking good and retaining the fans’ goodwill, he spared no thought to Angelina. Angelina has borne the brunt of the fallout from his divorce. I feel so sorry for her. She went from this healthy, vibrant woman pre Brad and the never ending tabloid circus, to the brittle, somber, skeletal shell of her former self we see today. I think she’s in a major depressive state and won’t get help for it. I HATE Brad Pitt.

    Do you all remember the drug commercial where they cracked an egg into a sizzling hot skillet while voice over guy intoned “this is your brain on drugs, any questions?”. Whenever I hear Brad Pitt speak, I am reminded of it. The dude spent way too much time smoking weed and it shows in his lack of articulate speech.

  74. Laughternrain says:

    Also, the lie that Aniston kicked Brad out is a new one, and came right out of left field. Wtf???? There is a picture of Aniston and Pitt arm in arm and even kissing, only 1 weekend prior to them announcing their separation when they took that vacation with the Coxes. By this time, the rumours of an affair had been going for ages, yet Aniston and Pitt looked quite cosey together one weekend before the official announcement. So she clearly didn’t kick him out, since they announced it at the end of their vacation. But of course some on here take this new out-off-left-field bizarre rumour (which I believe the poster made up on the spot as I have never heard of this before) of him being kicked out as gospel despite the overwhelming evidence to the CONTRARY!

  75. Flan says:

    Always thought the Jen/Brad combo was weird.

    And there had been rumors of their marriage being in trouble well before Jolie came in the picture (mainly over Jen not wanting to have children).

  76. jayem says:

    That last picture is so funny. They look like they’re *desperately* trying not to touch each other. Seeing how loved up they are now, I think it’s cute.

  77. Addie says:

    My opinion: Brad fell inlove with Angie while married to Jen but emotionally checked out of the marraige already.

    Angie does not seem the type to put up with being persued by a married man, she still seems to have issues from her mom and dad’s relationship.
    She might have had feeings for Brad too at this point, but would not act on them.
    The best route for Brad was to end a dead end marraige as it was not fair to Jen or Angie.
    Clearly it was the best move.

  78. Poppy says:

    Everyone seems to have forgotten that it’s Jen’s own fault that Angie was even in the movie, Nicole Kidman was supposed to play the role of Mrs Smith,Brad was very enthusiastic about working with Nicole but less than a month before the movie was to start filming, Jen persuaded Brad to ask the producers to look for someone else because Jen was afraid Brad might fall for her (Nicole was at her peak at that time).

    Jen is actually a very insecure person and as a consequence had became a control freak, even back in 2004, if she hadn’t interfered in the production Brad may never have worked with Angie. Which doesn’t mean he and Aniston would still be together, he was obviously ready to move on.

  79. Praise St. Angie! says:

    “Angelina said her kids can see a movie where their parents fell in love AND TRIED TO KILL EACH OTHER.”

    I don’t want to get into a shouting match with you, but please read my posts at 55 and 60. I always hear the follow up of “and tried to kill each other” but there is no place that I can find a DIRECT quote from Jolie with the follow up part.

    someone linked the NY Times article (post #52) where she says the bit about seeing mommy and daddy fall in love, and there’s no follow up of “and try to kill each other”.

    do you have a link to a source with that part of the quote too? so far, no one has been able to supply one. as I said above, I think it’s a case where the urban myth has evolved to an actual quote.

    however, if you’ve got a link, I’d be thrilled as I’ve been asking and looking to no avail.

  80. Laughternrain says:

    It was an interview with England’s The Daily Mail. A link to this was posted by me on an Angelina thread a couple of months back.

  81. Praise St. Angie! says:

    can you provide the link again?

    the Daily Mail is a tabloid…I doubt that Jolie would give them an interview. which makes me think any quote they have was lifted from the NY Times. and, as I said, I’m betting that the follow up was added by a writer who didn’t do an actual interview.

    but all I’m asking for is a link. if you posted it before, can you please either post it here, or link to the thread where you previously posted it?

    FYI, I have searched on the Daily Mail site as well, using that quote, and nothing came up. when I put in “not a lot of people get to see a movie blah blah blah” this is what comes up. you’ll see there’s no “and tried to kill each other” follow up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1078679/Angelina-Jolie-admits-Brad-Pitt-fell-love-married-Jennifer-Aniston.html

    and this article clearly states that she was interviewed by the NY Times. not that they interviewed her.

  82. Runs with Scissors says:

    @Praise: you’re kind of beating a dead horse, no? I like sources as well, but what’s your point here?

    It’s a FACT that filming for mams went on for a year, and that during that time, Brad and Aniston had split. So even if Jolie was referring to herself and Brad and not their characters falling in love, there’s nothing wrong with it. It IS the film where they met, it is where they fell in love, and like it or not, that’s special to their family.
    I think people are just angry because they didn’t act somehow ashamed that they fell in love. People screech that there must have been an affair to justify their outrage that the beautiful “harlot” won out over the homely “sweetheart.” It goes against all our fairytale notions, and people want to see them punished for it.

  83. Praise St. Angie! says:

    nope, don’t see it that way. and my point is that Jolie apparently never said that so it’s bogus for folks to keep pointing to that as some sort of vindication.

    I like to keep thing accurate, and I’m tired of people repeating something to the point that it becomes the truth, is used as a refutation of something or used to be verbally abusive to other posters. (YOU are not, but there is one poster on here who is bonkers when it comes to these two.)

    it seems to me that Jolie never said the follow up part, and all I’m asking for is that SOMEONE provide a link, or for the one “side” to stop using that follow up quote to refute the accusation.

    “So even if Jolie was referring to herself and Brad and not their characters falling in love, there’s nothing wrong with it.”

    agreed. they’re in love, they have a beautiful family and I don’t see them splitting up anytime soon. I just want the fringe element to stop posting inaccuracies. and that goes for the fringe element on both “sides”.

  84. Runs with Scissors says:

    @Praise, I agree.
    The particular quote you’re talking about is irrelevant to me because it proves nothing.
    And when you say, “I like to keep thing accurate, and I’m tired of people repeating something to the point that it becomes the truth…” it’s funny because I feel like the whole cheating rumor is precisely because of people repeating it till it became “true.”

    This whole family has been through enough. People should absolutely get their facts straight, but I feel that the “fringe element” who is trying to demonize this family by using mis-quotes/mis-information is FAR scarier than the fringe element trying to defend them by the same means.

  85. Toe says:

    @ Josephina
    … and I certainly would not bestow him a loving look as he sits next to the woman with whom he cheated on me as I stand anxiously onstage, for the world to see, at the 2009 Academy Awards show…
    You noticed that too? llooll i thought i was the only one that noticed it. It was just for 2 seconds, but Jennifer face expression said it all. She still loves him. :P

  86. bugsy says:

    @Praise: you’re asking for something that the fans don’t want to give you. They don’t have any links. Your point is valid in that the quote was probably altered at a later time by tabloids. The ACTUAL quote is about the brange, not their characters, in the NY Times. And Brad follows it up by saying the same thing. But the fans desperately want to believe that they never cheated, so now they’re calling you crazy, obsessed, etc. When all you’re asking for is a link. Go figure. They aren’t called loons for nothing.

  87. Laughterrain says:

    Bugsy, trust you Angelina and Brad haters to lie. The actual quote was about the characters, not them themselves. The actual and original quote was in the Daily Mail, and a link has been given for this, and the NY times edited the last bit out for those like yourself who desperately want and need to believe an affair happened, despite the evidence to the contrary. Besides the fact that falling in love doesn’t equal acting on it or having an affair, here is a link (not the original one I posted which I’m still searching for and not the one Praise St Angie posted) which shows clearly what Brad meant. He and Jen were officially separated when they were filming; – “But now Pitt has broken his silence to insist there was no affair – and says Aniston is a ‘sweetheart’ and they are still close and big parts of each other’s lives.
    And the 45-year-old said: ‘I’m very proud of the way that it was handled. It was respectful.’
    Of Jolie’s comments, Pitt explained: ‘What people don’t understand is that we filmed [Mr & Mrs Smith] for a year.
    ‘****We were still filming after Jen and I split up.**** Even then it doesn’t mean that there was some kind of dastardly affair. There wasn’t.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1107743/There-dastardly-affair-says-Brad-Pitt-reveals-contact-ex-wife-Jennifer-Aniston.html#ixzz1SqQwhm5m

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