Bruce Willis and Demi Moore’s daughters blame Ashton for her breakdown

Demi Moore is currently at an unnknown rehab receiving treatment for substance abuse issues and anorexia. Reports had her at the exclusive Cirque Lodge in Utah, but TMZ claims those stories are false and that no one knows exactly where Demi is. (She could be at Cirque and denying it in an attempt to preserve her privacy and keep the paparazzi away. I can’t blame her for that.) Radar reports that patients receiving treatment at Cirque aren’t allowed to weigh themselves or to know their current weight during weigh-ins with a doctor. Wherever Demi is, she’s hopefully detoxing and getting healthy.

The latest issue of US has an article that suggests to me that Demi is not taking responsibility for her addictions, or at least that her family is still in denial about it. It squarely places blame on her ex Ashton Kutcher as somehow triggering Demi’s latest problems. Here’s part of US’ report:

Just one week [prior to Tallulah’s 18th birthday party on February 3], [Demi], 49, checked into rehab, a source confirms to Us, to seek treatment for substance abuse and an eating disorder. “Her friends and family wanted her to get help,” says a Moore source. Now Bruce, 56, and Moore’s daughters, Tallulah, Scout, 20, and Rumer, 23, are holding accountable the one person they consider responsible for her troubles – her estranged husband, Ashton Kutcher. “Bruce and the girls hate Ashton,” says another insider close to the actress…

“Her family and friends are happy Ashton is out of her life…

“This think Demi’s breakdown is his fault.” (Another source counters that Rumer, who has visited Kutcher on the Two and a Half Men set postsplit, is still close to the actor.)…

[The friendship between Bruce and Ashton] “was all a show,” the source asserts of the Die Hard actor’s friendliness. “The hatred is long-standing.”

Still, Kutcher, 34, may have made himself too scarce in recent weeks. “Ashton hasn’t been there for her,” says another insider. The one time he went to her house after her hospitalization, she wasn’t even there. But another pal defends Kutcher: “He hasn’t seen her because he doesn’t want to give her the idea that he wants to get back together…”

“Bruce is concerned about Demi,” says a Willis soure. But even he is limited. His wife, Emma Heming-Willis, 33, who is pregnant with their first child, “doesn’t want to expose their baby to any of that drama,” says the source.

[From US Weekly, print edition, February 20, 2012]

I buy that Ashton was an ass to Demi and that he cheated on, lied to and left her. We have no idea what went on in that relationship behind closed doors, or how bad it was. It’s understandable that Demi’s family hates Ashton now. Ultimately Demi is responsible for herself, though. Plenty of women go through infidelity and public humiliation and deal with it in much healthier, constructive ways. Most of those women don’t have a fraction of Demi’s means or opportunities. This is a cop out by Demi’s people. She needs to get more distance from this before putting out the next planted story.

Family photos are from The House Bunny premiere on 8-20-08. Other photo of Demi is from 9-23-11. Credit: Ashton is shown out in LA on 1-3-12. Credit: LRR/FameFlynet Pictures

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  1. OriginalTiffany says:

    Give me a break. They had an open marriage and besides, she is 49 years old.
    Time to stop making excuses and own your own shit.

    • eileen says:

      Took the words right off my keyboard! They aren’t together and are getting a divroce-Ashton is suppose to coddle her now because she’s huffing and pining over Zac Efron while partying with her daughter?? Don’t get me wrong I think Ashton is a douche too-but he has no ownership in this.

      • ShazBot says:

        yeah – they are broken up, I don’t understand why people have this expectation of him. If anything, it’s healthier to have him not support her and let them just move on.

      • ZenB!tch says:

        Another member of the Ashton Haters in Defense of Ashton checking in here. He’s a douche and a user but he bears no responsibility here.

    • sassenach says:

      I agree 100%. Ashton is a tool but Demi is too damn old and has been in Hollywood too damn long to be acting like such a desperate idiot.

    • brin says:


    • Willow says:

      OMG, Org.Tiffany…there’s no need for a thread after your perfect post 😀

      • OriginalTiffany says:

        Thanks Guys! Just seems like that ought to be her headline.

        Oh, poor me, I’m an adult with tons of money, 3 kids and a supportive ex, and one semi-douche who drove me to my ruination.

        Poor, poor Demi. Whip cream anyone?

      • Camille (The original) says:

        I agree. Excellent post OriginalTiffany! Nothing else more to add.

    • Beatriz says:

      This!!! I was thinking the exact same thing! How about taking responsibility for your actions? Yeah, Ashton is a dick, but Demi is 50 fucking years old, you are not doing her any favors by enabling her addiction.

    • Molly says:

      Preach it!

    • Hugo a go go says:

      So true.

      He’s only doing to demi what demi did to Bruce.

      Besides, he probably wants kids too.

      Demi at 49 year old is nolonger a cougar,she’s a granny in training !!

      Ashton is in his prime and demi is probably in need of HRT or a hip replacement.

  2. Erinn says:

    Just like every other article pertaining to Demi, I can’t believe people are blaming Ashton for this. Some of it? Maybe. He apparently lied and cheated on her… but I highly doubt she was the perfect spouse either.

    Why is it his job to take care of her now that they split? Bruce is stepping in because he shares daughters with her. He’s probably doing it more for them than for Demi.

    I doubt Ashton forced her to do drugs, or forced her to starve herself. She is not a child. She is an adult who needs to become more responsible for her own actions.

    • Capella says:

      Erinn, you so very well said it!

      Also, “Plenty of women go through infidelity and public humiliation and deal with it in much healthier, constructive ways. Most of those women don’t have a fraction of Demi’s means or opportunities. It’s a cop out.”

      This says it all. Not the first women to be cheated on and dumped. But she one of the very few that had lacked publicly so much strength and graciousness.

      She is so self-centered, that she had forgotten that she still has 2 underage daughters who need her, and who had also lost their step father in the process. Self-centered, self-absorbed, and flat out self-indulgent. Grow the Eff up!

    • Tiffany says:

      I agree. It has been clear for a while that she wasn’t healthy. She has looked horribly skinny at many events, and these symptoms didn’t start when they announced their divorce.

    • aprayerforthewildatheart says:

      Co-sign. It’s Demi’s turn to take the wheel AKA the responsibility for her own life.

  3. dorothy says:

    Eat something, stop doing drugs and get some help and move on.Grow up!

    BTW, If I was Bruce Willis’s wife I wouldn’t want to be connected to all this drama either. I get the feeling Demi is a clinger and feels insecure without a man around. Run Bruce, run.

    • Jackie says:

      i feel sorry for the wife. i can’t imagine having to deal with all this while expecting my first child. however, this is the deal when you marry a man with 3 kids and a dysfunctional ex.

      • Leticia says:


      • Petunia says:

        I was thinking along this line, how it must be difficult to be pregnant with your first child and have all of the energy going into the ex. Surely this must be putting a strain on the new Mrs. Willis and Bruce. I know Demi isn’t doing this on purpose but it isn’t really fair to the new Mrs. Willis, either.

        I must respectfully disagree with those who think Ashton owes Demi nothing at this point. I feel that being married to someone shows you had love and commitment between the two of you and that even when you part, it’s not like you were never married. I think he should call her a few times and ask if she’s doing okay. Nothing heavy-duty but just to show that he still has some feelings/respect for the person he once loved. To do otherwise and do absolutely nothing is cold and hard-hearted, to me.

      • ZenB!tch says:

        I don’t. $he knew what $he was $igning up for. $he will do her time ju$t like A$hton did and move along, leaving another old rich person in their wake.

        Seriously, it’s too bad Ashton couldn’t knock up Demi because then maybe he could get child support like the women do. I’m sick of these old rich people who will only date 20somethings and then they are distraught when the 20something turns 30 and realizes s/he wants to have a life. Narcissistic much?

  4. lucy2 says:

    They should hate Ashton for the cheating and humiliating, but only Demi controls want food and substances go in her body. She needs to accept responsibility for that.
    I’m glad she’s getting help, I hope it works for her.

  5. Roma says:

    An addict is an addict because of their own actions and illness. Period.

    By her family blaming Ashton they will not help Demi to get better.

    • Nanz says:


    • BabyBlue says:

      DOUBLE WORD. Couldn’t have said it better. STOP ENABLING “HER” BEHAVIOR.

    • be_kind says:

      Roma, Nanz, and BabyBlue:

      An addict is an addict because they have BOTH of the following: 1. Childhood trauma AND 2. The addiction gene.

      This is science. Please educate yourselves. I get the impression you are each very young and/or haven’t had the unfortunate experience of knowing someone with this disease. This isn’t transient substance abuse. She is a full-blown addict.

      Poor lady. Have some compassion. Pick up a book.

      It makes me mad people are still such jerks about this.

      Think about how sick you have to be to actually put yourself through this! It’s dangerous and sad. She is ill.

      • Roma says:

        Not to be totally disrespectful, but I come from a family of addicts. I am adopted but the father who raised me is an alcoholic as were my two brothers who were from his first family (and biological).

        I say my brothers who “were” because one of my brothers died last summer because he drowned while he was drunk. He blamed the breakup of his marriage for his drinking but he was drinking well before and after that.

        My other brother’s wife died 7 weeks after my brother’s death due to cirrhosis of the liver – she was a drug and alcohol addict. That brother is still using as well.

        My dad got sober and has been for almost 20 years. My brothers had/have chosen not to. And out of all 3, none had childhood trama.

        What I am saying is it is the addiction and illness of the person and by blaming a third party, it takes the responsibility away from Demi. Enabling only leads to death.

        My brother died at the age of 42. My father got clean at the age of 52. Please do not tell me to go get myself educated – I have more education than I’d like to have.

      • ol cranky says:

        addiction is multifactorial and any genetics involved are nowhere as simple as you describe

        there are plenty of people who have become drug addicts or alcoholics who have no history of significant childhood trauma and/or primary family members with addiction problems

      • be_kind says:

        Roma, I am so sorry that happened to you. It wasn’t and isn’t my intention to start an argument. I know plenty of addicts and alcoholics, but only one in my family. She is in her sixties and we are extremely close. She is the only one in my family who has struggled with alcoholism and addiction, and my family always blamed her and looked down on her. She has been sober for over 25 years, and she just told me ONE YEAR ago that she was abused by someone else very close in our family when she was very young. She told only one person when she was young and he didn’t do anything about it. It started to manifest into alcoholism when she was in her teens. So please don’t tell me they never suffered a childhood trauma. Everyone has secrets. You might not even know.

        Hi Ol Cranky- dern right there is a gene! There is a gene they plan to have identified and available for us to be tested within the next 10 years. Like the breast cancer gene. Addiction is by no means simple, but the criteria is always the same. Always. No gene, no addiction.

        Childhood trauma is what it takes to flip the switch. In other words, it turns the gene on. It’s the same as cancer in that it is a mutation in our genetic makeup + some environmental factor (a toxin or carcinogen). With addiction the environmental factor is trauma.

      • be_kind says:

        Ashton is not responsible, he is just a trigger. No surprise there. Demi is the only one responsible for her sobriety. We all have joy and pain in life, and all of us have problems. This one is an especially awful one to have because of all the emotion and lack of understanding involved. Most of us would rather die quickly than slowly, and with support and love rather than with judgement and rejection. Ashton is a twat. If you marry an addict, people, please know what you’re signing up for! It takes an especially strong person and sometimes people don’t have the energy or will left in them to give what it takes if a relapse happens. It usually does. Relapse is a part of recovery. I wish Demi a healthy recovery and that she can somehow find happiness and fulfillment in all the wonderful things she does have.

      • Roma says:

        @be_kind: I agree that it’s hereditary – I watched addiction hit the biological side of my family and not the adopted ones. And yes, childhood trauma can trigger it but there is not always a trigger. Addiction is not cut and dry.

        But there is personal responsibility that needs to happen when people are able to stop blaming outside reasons as it’s an internal illness.

        My point is simple: her family cannot blame the split with Ashton. What looks like sympathy can be co-dependance. A very large symptom of addiction is to blame external forces.

      • BabyBlue says:

        I am educated. My sister, brother, aunts, uncles and cousins were all addicts. I work in a drug and alcohol hospital. I deal with this all day everyday…I know what I speak of.

        Thank you.

      • Tiffany says:

        Be_Kind, the breast cancer gene is a perfect example of why your theory doesn’t really apply. BRCA1 and BRCA2 have been identified, BUT women without those genes can still get breast cancer.

        Genetics are part of the story, but there are so many other aspects that can influence substance abuse.

      • anne christoff says:


        It isn’t “science”. It is speculation. There is no conclusive proof whatsoever that addiction is genetic.

        Such dependency is the result of people who are unable to cope with the decisions they make or the events that happen to them in their lives. They turn to drink/drugs out of desperation and low self esteem.

        Not every mental illness of this nature is “genetic”. Most of it comes from having a poor set of values in life that lead people to make the wrong choices.

        Demi Moore has no genetic “defect” of this nature. She is simply a weak woman who needs to wake up and get a grip. She became this way because she was a has-been with a washed up career, had a cheating husband and no education. “I do not deserve to be loved” as she stupidly stated, is not the voice of an addict, but of a life without content.

      • Shaz says:

        Thanks for saying it so well that I can just say ditto! Being rich and famous doesn’t t make you any less vulnerable or human – we perceive celebrities as being perfect and invincible, because they look great and they are projected as larger than life onscreen. Have a little tiny bit of heart people.

      • LeeLoo says:

        Addiction is a complicated animal. I abused all sorts of drugs and alcohol from the time I was 14 until I was 21. I come from a wonderful family and there is no trauma in my background. I was adopted by my stepfather when I was 2 and my mom told me that my biological father was a crack addict and she left the second she found out she was pregnant, but I have no doubt that genetics of my biological father played a huge part. In my case it was hanging out with bad people. Many of the kids I were around were suffering from a traumatic past. It is different for everyone but no one thing flips the switch of causing a person to become an addict. To say that trauma causes it is not true. I believe that whether it be genetic or whatever, some people are just drawn to the fire.

        I’m 27 now and I have been clean and sober for 6 years. My life has turned around so much since I quit. But everyone who is an addict is different. You can’t pigeon-hole a single scenario into every person’s situation.

      • be_kind says:

        To LeeLo and Tiffany, substance abuse and addiction are not the same thing. We have ALL (I’m sure) abused a substance at least once, save for the odd person who has never been drunk. Drinking past one or two or three drinks and getting wasted is alcohol abuse. Taking more vicodin than you actually need to relieve your pain is opiod abuse. I have gone through periods, as have many of my friends, where I drank quite a bit, but it never became a problem. There is a big difference between substance abuse and addiction, and YES you need the gene to be an addict. Otherwise you are just a substance abuser for a period of time (temporarily). It doesn’t ruin or affect your life. It doesn’t destroy the lives of others in its wake. YES it takes a childhood trauma. Please, if you doubt me, ask an addiction specialist or a medical doctor who specializes in addiction. You are right in that it varies greatly, each story, but those two criteria are constant. You can be an alcoholic and not drink everyday. You can be an alcoholic and not even drink much in terms of volume. Someone can become an addict and it can take years. Addiction is a progressive disease, meaning it gets worse with time. If you squashed it all on your own and it doesn’t haunt you, you likely don’t have the gene.

      • be_kind says:

        Tiffany, I can see why you pointed out why the BCRA1 & 2 genes aren’t a good example, but researchers are expecting to find many more. I was trying to make a point. Genetics ARE relevant, in almost all cases of disease, mental and physical. They determine how sensitive we are to certain toxins or pathogens. We have known for years a small percentage of the population is immune to HIV. A small number of us aren’t even affected by the bacterium that causes anthrax. It IS science.

      • LeeLoo says:

        @Be_kind I wasn’t trying to go into great detail in my case but I was a full on addict from 18-21. I was addicted to a couple of particular substances that I do not wish to name nor do I wish to recount my experience during those years other than to say while I was still able to function in some ways and was not your “typical” addict, it was pretty bad. When you are a teenager or child, addiction can happen a lot quicker. Also, you cannot define what addiction means to another person. There is no cookie cutter explantion or definition for addiction. To create such a thing is dangerous and detrimental. Some people are better functioning addicts than others however it is a horrible idea to downplay or ignore someone who may have a problem even if they do not fit a certain type of definition. There will always be people who defy scientific explantion when it comes to addiction. A lot of times I will use logic, reason and scie.ce to justify things. But while I am in no way a 12 stepper I believe addiction can hit ANYONE it doesn’t matter your genes, gender, socio-economic background, your childhood, your past, whether there has been trauma in your life or not. Any person can become an addict. Personal responsibility does play a huge role and I think those who have a lot of it (like me) will find it easier to get clean and stay clean. Also I think evidence based programs such as SMART Recovery are excellent in teaching personal responsibility. But once again, to chalk it up to just genes or something scientific is a disservice. Addiction is what addiction is. It defies explanation. You are correct in that it is up to the addict if they truly wish to beat their addiction but we cannot pick and choose what it means to be an addictif someone believes they have an addiction that is good enough for me.

    • be_kind says:

      Totally agree with the personal responsibility, which is why I wrote the above. In this case I don’t think it’s her blaming him, I think it’s her family. That’s pretty typical and understandable for a family. I think she knows better. She doesn’t need to blame anyone, though I’m sure she has anger toward her parents who were raging alcoholics (there is always the likelihood of something going horribly wrong there and plenty of resentment). She’s a big girl and she pulled herself together before, so I hope she can do it again. She had Bruce though. Love in your life helps. It’s going to be harder for her now.

      How many of us have done the easy thing even though we knew it was wrong? The weakness in an addict is SO DIFFICULT when they lose strength. It’s like starving for days and there’s a plate of your favorite food in front of you, how long will it be before you can’t resist? It’s only a matter of time. However difficult you can imagine that being, it is a hundred times more difficult for an addict.

      I highly recommend Al-anon or reading up on the subject if you know someone who struggles with addiction. You would want someone to support you if you felt sick and alone. But no enabling, by any means. Pushing someone into rehab won’t work either. They have to want it themselves.

  6. Agnes says:

    I’m not sure Ashton is being blamed for doing this to Demi, but rather for triggering already-existing problems. Stress like that, relationship issues, divorce, etc. is very difficult to handle period, and it might be way more difficult for some. Yes, ultimately she’s responsible for her own actions, of course, but I could totally see a situation like this making an addict relapse, or a non-addict start drinking, not eating, sliding into depression etc. Empathy, people. 🙂

    • Happymom says:

      I’m with you.

    • Petunia says:

      I’m with you too. I’m sure that even if you had a picture perfect marriage and it’s suddenly over that you’re gonna feel grief. Now imagine if you’re an addict, trying to hold it together and suddenly the ground is pulled from under you? Your marriage is kaput and your best friend dies, both at the same time? I think it’s a lot for anyone to handle, so I do have compassion for her, even though some of her actions since the split have been pretty odd.

    • be_kind says:

      I’m with you guys. Demi is already a strange and complicated person. Open marriage? I always thought that was an oxymoron. This has probably been building for sometime. Deep down I’m sure she has a big heart. I hope it doesn’t stay broken til she dies. That’s why I hate addiction. It is truly a tragedy.

      For her, it can still be a triumph. It takes a tremendous amount of strength.

      Like the medical community says to friends and family when treating addiction: If you aren’t a part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

  7. Marjalane says:

    I have to agree with celebitchy on this one; There was/is so much dysfunction in this family with plenty of blame to go around, although I think it pretty much started with Demi Moore making a really immature, idiotic decision to marry a little kid.

    • Petunia says:

      And maybe that’s the crux of the matter: Demi makes immature decisions. Sure looks like that’s an ongoing issue for her. Probably tied in with the addiction, I would guess. I think she’s gonna keep running into trouble until/unless she figures out how to make more mature/better decisions for herself.

  8. Veruca says:

    CB, your last paragraph is absolute brilliance.

    • daisydoodle says:

      I agree, the last paragraph summarizes it perfectly, be an adult Demi, I’m 51 yr old, I would never go back to being 20 ever!

  9. Asli says:

    49 years old and three kids. The time to grow up passed a long time ago.

  10. santacruz says:

    Move on Demi…have some dignity. I’m sure there is life after Ashton. BE BRAVE.

  11. Riana says:

    Perhaps if she was seeking a mate that was stable and as mature as her (which is now really debatable) there wouldn’t have been anything to ‘trigger’.

    Not like she picked a 20 something that was calm, serious, and mature…she picked a goofball fresh off his last minutes of fame to co-raise her daughters.

  12. Jen34 says:

    Give me a break. This reminds me of the story of the lady and the snake. The lady acts all surprised when the rattle snake bites her, but the snake tells her, “you knew what I was when you picked me up.”

    What did Demi expect when she married that young douche? Her family can blame anyone they want for her problems, but surely they saw this coming. In the end, Demi and nobody else bears the responsiblity for her actions.

  13. Peachy says:

    Whatchoo Talkin’ Bout Willis!?!

  14. TheOriginalVictoria says:

    I am sorry, but as much as Ashton is a douche, how is this any of his fault? How she handles her heartbreak and betrayal has nothing to do with him?

    She is a grown ass woman who took a chance with a man old enough to be her son and she wanted to prove that you can still be sexy and hot and relevant (and I’m not saying you CAN’T be all those things at that age because you totally can, you just have to actually own it not try to reverse the aging process) at her age by dating a younger guy. A younger guy who is not like Aaraon Johnson, who by all accounts is serious, mature, and yadda, yadda, yadda.

    But no. She went and married someone who is the poster boy for Frat Boy syndrome. If Brittany Murhpy’s ass couldn’t keep Ashton with her cracked out and bulimic ways what made her think she could? This is why I do believe they had an open marriage. She would do anything to save face and seem down.

    You NEVER marry a guy like Ashton be you 25 or 52. They are perpetually douchey and always on the hunt for fresh tail. They can’t be faithful until they decide they want to settle down and even then chances are they are still going to cheat.

    Demi needs to woman up and take responsibility for her actions.

    • LAK says:

      don’t forget Susan SArandon and Tim Robbins. SAme age difference as Demi and Ashton. Yes, they broke up in the end, but they lasted 20+ years, and Tim Robbins was very much the mature young man.

      I think the moral of the story is stay away from douchy frat boys no matter their age.

  15. Mitch Buchanan Rocks says:

    About last night, with Demi Moore and Rob Lowe is a very entertaining movie.

  16. Twez says:

    If true, this is pretty much standard codependent addict family behavior, especially for the children of the addict. It has to be someone else’s fault, not mommy’s.

    • LeeLoo says:

      Yep. Co-dependent personality disorder is also sparked by manipulation and emotional blackmail. Which is why I have always said that her “od” was more a cry for attention than a cry for help.

      Think about it, Ashton’s left her. Her younger kids want nothing to do with her. Why not make ALL of them feel guilty by getting sick on a designer drug. I think she knew EXACTLY what she was doing.

      • dahlia1947 says:

        She seems the type to do that. Make the kids feel guilty by hurting herself. Oh and also to get Ashton’s attention. Somebody here said she seems like a clinger? Needs a man to feel relevant? Well, there you go.

  17. Cathy says:

    What happened to all of Bruces hair? He also has big nostrils. Never noticed that before.

  18. Cerulean says:

    Demi did this to herself and should own her mess of a life. Leave Hollywood and get well. But these Stars can’t rid themselves of their main addiction:attention and fame. It only feeds their demons and they kill themselves for their fix. They starve their bodies, minds and spirit just to mainline a heady mix of look at me and entitlement.
    If any of these fools value life they can always leave the spotlight and we collectively will forget about them. They have enough money to never need to work again.
    But these messed up celebs would never do that. They would rather die than be irrelevant.

  19. Vee says:

    So what the woman’s depressed over a breakup and she’s going over the edge. What does it matter how old she is, how young the guy was, does a broken heart hurt any less ’cause you’re older? If she weren’t blaming herself, she wouldn’t be on drugs, she’d have a golf club in her hands like Elin Woods.
    And why does it always have to be an age issue
    w Ash & Demi? Ashtons just a male slut. Period.
    That’s not Demis fault, he would’ve cheated even if she were twenty Demi had a hot body when she was with Ashton, there was nothing that Sara EZ Lay could offer more than Demi. And frankly, if I were Sara’s age, 23? I’d think,’ eww, a married man whore in his 30’s’ about Ashton. I’d rather a hot 23 yr old, not a guy 10 yrs older. Let me also mention that Bruce is 6yrs older than Demi and the bride is a yr younger than Ashton.
    Now the real problem with Demi has really been her hair. She hasnt changed that unflattering style for over ten yrs.

    • CanadianVixen says:

      oh vee, I couldn’t let this one go by, you hit all the right buttons and then the punchline – it’s gotta be the hair! Brilliant.

  20. Cerulean says:

    I wish I could feel sympathy for her but I don’t. Ashton does not owe her any support or time. She is not his problem now.

  21. Kimbob says:

    I’ve had time to “rethink” all this BS w/Demi & Ashton. Yes, Ashton is an ass & we all know it. He’ll never have an excuse as to his infidelities.

    However, I think Ashton’s behavior regarding such, as was mentioned by Kaiser previously, I think, is basically passive/aggressive behavior stemming from his unhappiness & lack of fulfillment in his marriage to Demi.

    No, I’m not trying to get Ashton “off the hook” by saying such. It’s just that I can now see that Ashton probably realized how superficial and screwed-up Demi was w/her addictions, body image, maturity (actual LACK OF maturity), & his “solution” was to go out & bone every ho that would let him do such.

    I now see he was terribly unhappy, & probably realized that he could do absolutely nothing to help Demi w/her numerous “issues.” He SHOULD HAVE just asked for a divorce, instead.

    I now see how firmly entrenched Demi’s denial is/was w/regards to all of her dysfunctional issues. Ashton was seriously in a LOSE-LOSE situation, as he possibly saw it…either divorce Demi (& public perception would reveal him as “the bad guy”), so he just chose to be passive/aggressive & run around on her. He probably figured the public/paparazzi would not “catch onto” his indiscretions, but he gambled that Demi would, in fact, know exactly what he was doing (running around on her) & divorce him, instead.

    Again, I’m not proffering excuses for Ashton (his behavior was wrong no matter how you slice it), but it’s obvious to see in retrospect what he was dealing with at home….not good.

    Oh, and my opinion is that Demi may not have gone to treatment at all. After all, she is in major DENIAL.

    • midnightmoon says:

      Yo Kimbob-I really think you have it. I do believe that’s the conclusion I reached when the public outing of Ashton’s douchebaggery went supernova. I think it is now fairly obvious that Demi Moore has serious, serious emotional problems, and she has spent so much time on externals (yes, even the Kaballah study can be seen as a publicity stunt, it being Hollyweird and all) that she has lost her way. She just isn’t in control of herself-her eating, her famewhoring, and now her behavior with all kinds of young ‘uns. So many Hollywood women have crashed and burned under the pressure. I am actually regaining my respect for Meg Whatsername (geez, my brain needs a jolt of SOMETHING) for hooking up with John Mellencamp. at least he LOOKS like an adult. I recently laughed off the attentions of a 24 year old (reminder-I am the ‘cougar’ person in an open marriage who recently parted from a 29 year old, when I moved away from my home of 20 years) because I knew there was no way in H-E-double toothpicks he had anything I could make use of emotionally. Energetically, he was lovely. He was very polite. He just was an amoeba to me.

      Demi has been focussed forever on the externals. She has horrible taste, and wants to do things more than her talent will allow. She may be intelligent on some level, but all I see is REALLY bad choices from early days.

      I also think that she is emotionally stuck at an extremely young age, and dare I say, I am now beginning to suspect that Ashton may have been the adult in that relationship, until he couldn’t take it anymore and reverted to his own emotional age.

      I do hope Demi makes it out of this tailspin, but if she is surrounded by all that dysfunction and denial, I am not hopeful. at all…

      anyway, those are my $.3. fwiw. now to go drink my decaf and long for the days when I could use caffeine to jumpstart my days.

      ttfn, old-lady-in-training-wheels

      • Floridaseaturtle says:

        Between Kimbob and midnightmoon, the whole story right there. I was thinking some of those same things, but I think you both really nailed it. Verbalized wonderfully.

  22. atorontogal says:

    I’m assuming the guilt carried by the daughters is so overwhelming they must find an outlet for it. Enter Ashton. None of us know what happened in their marriage but I did see footage of Demi grinding and carrying on onstage at some concert and Ashton was humiliated. I’m not defending him nor am I blaming the kids because Demi is solely responsible for her bahaviour. She has long been an addict….whether it be booze yoga redbull whipits etc..

  23. Reel Wheel says:

    and, while we’re at it, Ashton Kutcher is also responsible for global warming!

    Seriously, it’s Ashton Kutcher. The idea that the words ‘responsible’ and ‘Ashton Kutcher’ are used in the same sentence is pretty funny in itself.

    • CanadianVixen says:

      He’ll have to share the limelight (or red carpet) with AJ on that one 😉 Love this site.
      And yes ‘Kutcher’+’responsible’ = ‘oxymoron’ (no pun intended)

  24. Dee Cee says:

    Investigate the doctors that were fueling her habit and ignoring her health.. Demi needs special therapy for possessive jealousy, superficial, meaningless relationships and manipulative suicidal tendencies..

    • RobN says:

      Yes, it’s clearly the fault of the people at the Piggly Wiggly for selling her too much Red Bull.

  25. Newtsgal says:

    You’d be hard pressed to find someone who hasn’t had their heart broken. It’s what you do with it, that counts!
    Nobody is forcing Demi to do drugs, party, and dry hump anything under 30. It’s time for that woman to start acting her age and take responsibility for what SHE does.
    To the rest of the Willis family, you are not helping Demi by enabling her.

  26. LeeLoo says:

    You really have to wonder how much b.s. Ashton had to put up with behind closed doors. I really think she pulled a lot of emotional blackmail to keep him in the relationship. She was desperate enough. Now I also wonder if she was emotionally blackmailing her daughters too.

    In no way am I giving Ashton a pass for cheating. He should have just gotten the f out before it came to that. But I also get the feeling she made it extremely difficult for him to leave.

    I really get the feeling she screwed her daughters up. I hope they go to Al-Anon meetings and Bruce gets them into see a therapist to help them cope and realize they are not to blame for Demi’s behavior or addictions.

  27. joy says:

    Some women are their own worst enemy as is Demi.She is a needy person who fell in love & thought she had a mate for life.He has held all the cards.The girls where in boarding school & have an excellent father so how much parenting have any of them put in.Not much I expect.Ashton said in an interview he loved the girls & their friends coming round & would sit & talk with them give advise.I just bet he did.Marrying into a family of females suited Ashtons needs for attention brilliantly.The thing that gets me in all of this is,the length of time it took for Demi to finally make the announcement.He was playing with her feelings all along.Have a look at the cryptic clues he leaves on twiter.A pic of Lorene who he had been seeing for 12 mnths but are friends.He posted a pic of her on twitter & following day out “stay warm”His antics with Lea Michele.How hurtful is all of this knowing Demi would be watching & crying.Yes she need to take control of her own life but how cruel is someone who rubs you nose in the dirt just coz he can.

    • hugo a go go says:

      Very insightful observation.

      Just a shame they could not part on better terms.

      Demi just doesn’t strike me as shy or timid.

      She left bruce for a younger man and now Ashton is doing the same.

  28. Maria says:

    Rumer is just young, so she doesn’t fully realize that being a victim disempowers a person. Demi has to own it all…she made poor choices and deals with her self esteem issues….she should never have married such a young man and should have foreseen how difficult it would be to age as he remains young for much longer. she needs to learn from her heartache and appreciate how great her life actually is.

  29. Kim says:

    She has no one to blame but herself.

    Sure he wasnt a good husband but she wasnt a good wife. They enabled each other with their threesomes etc.

    Her & her daughters need to take responsibility. Ashton didnt force Demi to do drugs or drink.

    Demi had issues long before Ashton entered the picture. Its a cop out and naive/dangerous on her daughters part to blame Ashton for their mothers deep set issues.

    • joy says:

      so where does Ashton take the blame for marrying an older woman with 3 kids & and a history of self abuse.No complaining from him coz his career has thrived coz of her.He also knew what he was taking on

  30. skuddles says:

    My sense is Demi pushed herself to a breakdown on purpose (at least to a degree) to draw Ashton back into her life. I think Ashton knows it and that’s exactly why he’s steering clear now.

  31. Esmom says:

    Wow, Demi is the very definition of high maintenance. It exhausts me to think about her life. I hope she finds a way to peace sooner rather than later. Life is short and her daughters are growing up fast. Now is the time for her to get healthy enough to repair and strengthen those relationships…at the end of the day those are the only things that matter. Not a career, or wealth, or a youthful body.

    I feel like she needs wake up and find a way appreciate all that she does have — and can look forward to — and to take a step back and enjoy the beauty of the world around her…preferably far away from Hollywood.

  32. Dawn says:

    This should not be about Ashton and the fact that anyone in Demi’s inner circle is making it about him is simply sad. Demi is almost 50 and Bruce is over 50 and both should have matured enough to know it. Only Demi is responsible for Demi’s behavior, no one else. Who knows what Ashton was looking for when he married her, maybe she was his childhood crush and he was living a fantasy, it doesn’t matter. This is all on Demi and she needs to admit it, move on from it and get healthy.

  33. Dredz says:

    Blame Ashton???! For God’s sake, she’s an almost 50 years old woman!!! Did Ashton shove drugs down her throat??? No wonder he bolted, good for him

  34. BELLA says:

    No one believes that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. joy says:

    LOVE THIS SITE.I love to discuss different points of view on various subjects.This site allows that without anyone taking offence or being abusive.Refreshing to hear other points of view.This is how we gain empathy.Thank you and well done to authors of this site

  36. Mar says:

    Demi Moore just never wanted to embrace aging. She found herself a man child and anyone could tell you that wasn’t going to last. Aging sucks but everyone your age ages right with you- so get over the vanity part and accept it. She never quite could is what I think.

  37. NinaG says:

    I don’t believe this at all, Demi has been dumped and cheated on many times and she has never been as much of a mess…I think there is more going on and has been going on with her before and after Ashton, I won’t give him that much credit at all, he just isn’t worth rehab. I agree with a comment I read above me that they had an open marriage but Ashton just screwed it up when he was caught on tape/photo. Their image of a perfect marriage and tweet photos were ruin and that upset her off.

  38. Palermo says:

    I think she’s been screwed up for a very long time, it’s not fair to lay all this on Ashton’s doorstep. I don’t recall ever seeing a photo of the two of them where she wasn’t desperately clutching on to his arm like he would escape if she didn’t. The woman has multiple issues and definitely needs lots of help.

    • hugo a go go says:


      Demi maybe older but Ashton seems to be the more mature and secure.

      Maybe this is why he left her ?

      A troubled, insecure, needy women ?

  39. mia says:

    When will women learn to not hang their well being around a guy’s neck like some soap on a rope?
    Ashton was never a great deal and who didn’t know it? Lets take a look at Bruce who bailed on his family. did I miss something or was that a messed up thing to do? I don’t care what his reasons were, real men don’t check out and leave four females to “work it out alone”. No wonder Ashton looked like a good idea….