Sylvester Stallone shades Bruce Willis: ‘Greedy & lazy, a sure formula for career failure’

I really don’t spend any time thinking about Sylvester Stallone. I don’t dislike him, I just don’t see his movies and I don’t understand why he’s still relevant in any way. To be fair to Sly, I’ve heard and read tons of stories about how nice he is, and I guess there are some people who still want to work with him. One of his late-in-life franchises is The Expendables, which already had one sequel and now they’re making a third film too. Because… I guess there’s a market for it…? The first two Expendables movies starred Sly, Jason Statham, Jet Li, Dolph Lundgren, and Bruce Willis, of course. He did an uncredited part in the first film, then came on board for the second. He was supposed to do the third one, but it looks like he wanted a fat paycheck for his time. So they replaced Bruce with Harrison Ford. And Sly had something to say about it:

It turns out, not everyone is upset about the recent departure of Bruce Willis from Expendables 3. As news broke that Harrison Ford would be replacing Willis in the upcoming film, Sylvester Stallone took to Twitter to express his excitement about the big change — for a very specific reason.

“WILLIS OUT… HARRISON FORD IN !!!! GREAT NEWS !!!!! Been waiting years for this!!!!” the Rocky actor wrote.

Though the two actors have starred together in the first two films, Stallone’s relationship with Willis, 58, seems to have gone south. “GREEDY AND LAZY …… A SURE FORMULA FOR CAREER FAILURE,” Stallone added. A rep confirmed to HuffPost Entertainment that the tweet was indeed in reference to Willis, but had no further comment.

Willis appeared in the first two Expendables films alongside Stallone, 67, and other stars including Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jason Statham, Terry Crews, Jet Li and Mickey Rourke. The latest film will feature new faces like Mel Gibson, Kellan Lutz, Jackie Chan, Wesley Snipes and Milla Jovovich.

Production for Expendables 3 is set to begin this month.

[From Us Weekly]

Everybody’s hatin’ on Bruce these days! He acted like a douche while he was promoting Red 2 as well, and it seems like everybody has a story about Douche Bruce. So… I guess the guy is a d—k? I guess he just goes around asking for insane paychecks for sequels that nobody asked for? Ugh. Hollywood.

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  1. David99 says:

    Old dude problems.

  2. Kiddo says:

    I’ll say something nice. I have enjoyed old Harrison Ford movies.

  3. SamiHami says:

    the Expendables movies are fun bits of action packed fluff. My hubby and I enjoyed them both a lot (for what they are)-especially the 2nd one because of Chuck Norris. I won’t miss seeing Willis in the 3rd one at all, but I wonder why they think they need to add Milla Jovavich, Kellen Lutz and Wesley Snipes? I don’t see any of them as adding anything to the series.

    • Stef Leppard says:

      Sami, I could not even finish watching the first movie, which rarely happens to me. I usually can make it through even terrible movies, but it was just so BAD! I didn’t see the 2nd and my husband always teases me when we are going through the HBO Go movies and it’s on there: “Let’s watch Expendables 2″…Gah!

      • Evie says:

        I didn’t like the first one but thought the 2nd was actually pretty good. I hate all this stuff about Bruce Willis that has been in the press lately though.

      • SamiHami says:

        Well, they are definitely movies you have to be in the mood for, and you have to go into it expecting just mindless entertainment. If one is looking for any sort of depth then they’ll hate it. But, once in a while it’s fun to just watch a “popcorn” movie. I see it as pure camp and not serious cinematic art 🙂

  4. RHONYC says:

    even though the 1st two made my lids heavy, i will love to see the 3rd one with Milla in it…she kicks serious ass.

    on the flip side, if she makes out with my Dolph, bish might get her ass KICKED! grrrr 👿 😉

  5. Diana says:

    My husband is Bruce Willis’ spitting image. When he flew over to china for business a few years ago, people actually stopped and asked him for photographs and autographs.

  6. Jennabean says:

    Idk if he’s a jerk or not but red 2 is gonna be way better than expendables3

  7. Elodie says:

    Well at least Sly owns his bitchiness, not some stupid twerps who back-pedal and say “oh no it wasn’t me my twitter has been hacked!” foolishness.

    That said, Expendables franchise sucks really bad urgh!

    • Vera says:

      I like it that he owned up as well.

    • Meaghan says:

      Maybe its because my boyfriend is obsessed with any Rocky movie, but I like Sly! He worked super hard for what he has, I’ve never heard any reports of him being anything but a great guy. He deserves to be relevant, more so then Douchey Willis.

      Good on him for owning it.

  8. V4Real says:

    Sly really, career failure. I don’t think old Bruce has nothing to worry about. He has had a very long successful career in Hollyweird.

    As for The Expendables, I love that franchise. I have a love of action films and loved the fact that the old action stars are still kicking ass. I’m even happy to hear that old Mel finally got another role. Snipes definetely need the money now that he’s out of jail.

  9. alidorival says:

    I really did like The Expendables 1&2. Guilty pleasure cheesy, and a throwback to some of my fav action movies. Luv how they all made fun of themselves.

    • V4Real says:

      I’ll be back

      Nope, you’ve been back enough.

      Best line in the whole entire movie.

      • Rhea says:

        I love the The Expendables—and Red as well, actually. Both movies were easy to watch when you just want to take out your mind for a while.

  10. Tessa says:

    Sorry, but Bruce is winning. Red, Looper, Moonrise Kingdom… all movies I really enjoyed, and have seen multiple times. Not many actors have such a strong track record in a whole career, let alone the past 2-3 years.

    • Spooks says:

      Stallone did Rocky and just because of that he wins in my book.

      • Tessa says:

        Except for he chose the word “career” specifically. A career is more than one movie. A career is something Bruce Willis has.

      • Spooks says:

        Well fine, but to be honest, I don’t like any of the Bruce Willis movies. And Stallone did get an Academy Award.

      • Lisa says:

        Ditto for me, Snooks!!!! The soundtrack is on ALL my workout playlists, LOL!!!

    • sirsnarksalot says:

      But if he keeps burning bridges, Bruce won’t have a career anymore. Team Stallone. The man has never taken himself too seriously and he works hard. Did you see Copland (?) where he was a fat bumbling cop? Loved it. One of Stallone’s best roles.

    • Tara says:

      Sorry but Sly as Rocky has become a part of American cinema and cultural history. Willis has had an amazing and enviable career but he is in a different league than Stallone – and not a better one. Besides, saying Willis is the “winner” means that you define success a little differently than i do. I think winning is doing incredibly hard work for decades and managing to keep the respect of an especially fickle community. I think winning is being able to get movies made behind the camera and flexing your production skills, not just parading your ego and going back to your trailer. I think winning is going against the grain of youth obsessed Hollywood and putting some awesome vintage talent on the big screen. I love it so much that Sly tweeted his real opinion and stood by it. Take note, kids.

      But you know what – i bet they used a hell of a lot of muscle cream on that set.

  11. Sanaa says:

    Dont judge me:

    I had the most massive crush on Sly growing up. There was a time that I watched Rocky (the first one, where he is vulnerable) every day after school. I had two dogs called Rocky and Rambo. I watched every interview, read every magazine, hated every girlfriend and wife. Then I grew up and realised the talent issues, the hgh issues, the dbag issues. I cant help getting doe eyed when I watch that first Rocky though.

    Background over. I’m surprised by this falling out. Sly has known Bruce to be a dick for decades. They still did Planet Hollywood though. They have shared jumpoffs, seriously why do hollywood friends sleep with the same actresses. Afew years ago while Sly was promoting John Rambo on Letterman he brought Willis with him. Willis played the harmonica, Sly told bff anecdotes, it was a 50 year olds fanboys dream come true.

    • Mitch Buchanan Rocks! says:

      “Sly has known Bruce to be a dick for decades” should be the title of this article 🙂

    • SamiHami says:

      No shame in crushing on the original Rocky! That was a total phenomenon when it came out and it was easy to enjoy the strength and vulnerability of the character! And those muscles! He was hot stuff back then 🙂

  12. Spooks says:

    I like old Stallone. Probably because Rocky is one of my favourite movies.
    And I just recently found out that Dolph Lundgren is crazy smart. Go figure.

    • Sanaa says:

      Dolph has some postgrad science degree right? Sly is also very smart. He didnt do college but he hands down gives the sharpest, wittiest interviews of American actors. And I am not employing hyperbole, for reals.

  13. Willa says:

    Just wish the franchise would Expend already!

  14. Eva says:

    I think Willis is a d*ck. sly seems to be a very hard worker and devoted family man. I would also be more than irritated if I produced a movie and a guy I gave a big paycheck too did not follow through on the simple short tetm mandatory promo tour. Willis acts like he’s so put out for interviews. Really it’s an easy paycheck and he just needed to smile and ‘act’ like a decent guy. I don’t blame sly. Willis has an ego problem. ( I used to love him in the moonlighting days, now I can understand why Sybil Shepard hated him during that show)

    • K says:

      Agree on all counts.

      • Dubois says:

        I was going to post something about Moonlighting. He was supposedly a LEGENDARY dick, lording it over Sybil Shepherd. Guess it was true. Can’t stand him.

      • taxi says:

        Cybill is well known to be “difficult”. Many have said so. She was Peter Bogdanovich’s gf & he started her career a few rungs up the ladder.

    • Str8Shooter says:

      I have NEVER heard one positive thing about Willis in all the years I’ve been living in LA. Just endless stories of what an asshat he is.

      Sly on the other hand? I have heard great things about.

      • TG says:

        After that interview with that Brit everyone now knows Willis is a douche. And now Sly just took a dump on him. Love it. All those pics of Awollis above show what a pouty baby he is.

  15. lisa2 says:

    I just can’t believe Harrison Ford is doing this. Is he having Money problems. Because he seems to be taking on roles that I wouldn’t never imagine him doing. I mean I could never see Clint doing this kind of film.

    I miss the Jack Ryan (Harrison Ford)

    • MademoiselleRose says:

      I’ve been wondering the same. I miss old Harrison Ford movies. I always used to say he sniffed out the best roles, but no more. What happened?

      • Tig says:

        Don’t be so quick to write off Harrison Ford- tho I haven’t seen it, friends saw “42” and said he was great in it. I know about the controversy surrounding “Ender’s Game”, but he’s also in it, and the trailer I saw, it looks to be good.

    • V4Real says:

      @lisa2 “I could never see Clint doing this kind of film.”

      Yeah and you probably couldn’t have seen him talking to chairs either but he did it. Probably couldn’t have seen him involved in a reality show either but he did it.

      Regardless of whether you like these types of movies or not, there is a market for it. It is a successful franchise so why wouldn’t Ford want to be a part of it. It’s almost like paying homage to the action stars of yesterday by grouping them together in a movie like this.

      • Green Eyes says:

        OMG!! You caught me off guard w/ the chair comment I laughed so hard hubby had to help get lemon drop lodged in throat out. That was too funny of a visual;)!

      • Green Eyes says:

        O M G that was too funny! You caught me off guard w/ that chair comment. Hubby had to help dislodge lemon drop stuck in throat. The visual of that chair routine was just too funny;).

  16. Turtle Dove says:

    Willis thinks that it’s the 80s still and he’s super important.

    Sly has always seemed like a good guy. I’m not an action fan, but I liked First Blood (I) and the Rocky flicks.

  17. Sam says:

    I don’t see how you can argue that Bruce Willis has a failing career. He still gets roles that pull in decent money, even if the roles aren’t that good. He might be an asshole in person, but I think calling him a career failure or lazy isn’t accurate.

    I just have a soft spot for Bruce. he will always be the voice of Baby Mikey to me.

    • Tansey says:

      Aww, you just made me want to watch all of those movies! Even though I can’t stand JT or KA, I’ll watch for Bruce and Roseanne. I don’t remember who did the voice of the dogs in the third movie. Off to IMDb!

      Edit: I knew Danny DeVito was one of the voices!

  18. JL says:

    No need for Bromance between those two, there’s plenty of money to go home and chill without ever working again.

    It’s good to get to a point you can reserve your work for what you want to do, Perhaps Bruce is just there…

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      I think you might be being a bit generous–after all, this is the guy that just did “G.I. Joe: Retaliation”.

      I think this was more of a money/ego issue for him.

      • RPG says:

        Correction: He did GI Joe: Retaliation AND A Good Day to Die Hard, two sucktastic sequels that are among the worst movies of this year.

  19. TheOriginalKitten says:

    Man, some people are acting like Bruce Willis being a huge d*ckshow is news. He’s always been a really cranky, unprofessional asshole–the original K-Stew–but more talented.

    I’m with Stallone on this one and I’m not surprised that Willis would think he’s too good of an actor and worth too much money to ‘lower himself’ and sign on for “Expendables 3”.

    • minimi says:

      I’m kind of surprised..well, not like flabbergasted given all the weird arrogant interviews he has been giving, but still surprised. All these years he was very much portrayed as a great person by comparison with Demi Moore that was supposed to be delusional and fame craving. So I always really thought he was a great person..but well, maybe the problem was really in the comparison 😉

      Anyway, cool that Stallone said what he really thinks and good that he owned it. Those last interviews really show Bruce Willis as an embarrassing douchebag.

      • TheOriginalKitten says:

        From what I understand, he’s a really good father, I just think he’s kind of a cranky d*ck when it comes to how he interacts with people in the industry. Very diva-like behavior.

        Who knows, maybe he just hates dealing with the PR/promotional side of being famous, but if that’s the case then he should have pursued a different career, right?

      • John Wayne Lives says:

        ooh demi is gonna need some cream for that burn!! (giggle)

    • Bridget says:

      It’s a couple of things:
      1) in between some of the god awful action movies he’s cranked out, he’s done some really good, interesting work in small movies for a long time. After all, he was in Pulp Fiction, Looper, Moonrise Kingdom, even the Sixth Sense really was good. Not everything he did was a blatant paycheck grab.
      2) It’s the Demi-Ashton factor. Bruce and Demi’s divorce was the TEMPLATE for amicable divorces. They seemed like they really put aside their differences in the best interest of their children. It’s still a rare thing, and his acceptance of the Demi-Ashton relationship only served to make Bruce look like a decent, levelheaded guy.

  20. ZigZagZoey says:

    My husband had taped the first one, and I really didn’t want to watch it. I was like…Oh another dumb all action movie with a bunch of old tough guys….I wasn’t gonna watch, but started watching….and finished. It was much better than I thought it would be and I kinda enjoyed it.

    Sorry, I will always like Bruce more than Sylvester HGH Stallone.
    I knew someone who had met Bruce before and said he was a very laid back cool guy.

  21. erin says:

    I love Sly because of the story behind Rocky – he really worked hard to get where he is, and he doesn’t get much credit for being a writer. Bruce Willis is a good actor but yeah, total dick.

    • Pandy says:

      YES! Every time I want to write Sly off as a muscle-head, I have to give him props for his writing. So he has the edge over Bruce that way lol. My husband met Sly years ago at a tennis match and couldn’t believe how pleasant and down to earth he was. Doubt that would have been Bruce. But why put MEL in the movie?? Ew …

  22. Suzy from Ontario says:

    I’ve enjoyed movies by both over the years but I hate when actors think they are too good to do some promo work or ask for an over the top paycheque.

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens to Bruce’s career as he ages. He’s built a lot of his career on tough guy action type roles.

  23. CarrieUK says:

    I know he’s a dick who recently seems to have jumped the shark but I’ll alway love Willis, can’t help it, I blame Die Hard

  24. Aud says:

    I’m guessing it’s an opportunity to diss Willis, especially after that horrid interview he gave while promoting Red 2, but there are also stories about Stallone as well, and that he has a tendency to want to take writing credits when he hasn’t written one word on a script. Years and years ago, I’m showing my age, there was even word that his wife wrote Rocky.
    Both of them are one dimensional actors anyway.
    Lucky, lucky actors who were at the right place at the right time.

  25. WhatWHAT!? says:

    Listen to what Kevin Smith has to say about Willis. Listen to what Kevin Smith has to say about everyone. Dude does NOT hold back

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      Smith on Willis:

      “Everyone knows who it is. Put it this way, remember the really funny guy in the movie? It ain’t him. He’s a f*cking dream. Tracy Morgan, I would lay down in traffic for. Were it not for Tracy, I might’ve killed myself or someone else in the making of that movie.”

      “I want to thank everyone who worked on the film, except for Bruce Willis, who is a f*cking dick.”

      “It was difficult. I’ve never been involved in a situation like that where, one component is not in the box at all. It was f*ckin’ soul crushing. I mean, a lot of people are gonna be like, ‘Oh, you’re just trying to blame the movie on him.’ No, but I had no f*cking help from this dude whatsoever.”

      • holly hobby says:

        I also remember Kevin Smith badmouthing Reese Witherspoon prior to her arrest. He called her Greasy Reesy! Ha!

  26. sharron says:

    Couldn’t get past Sly’s bad facelift enough to finish The Expendables, so I’m afraid Willis wins for me…..

    • moot says:

      You’re basing your opinion on the way someone looks (by extension their insecurity about their looks) instead of the way they behave? Ooooookay.

  27. Nerd Alert says:

    I make a point not to watch Sly Stallone films due to his perpetually horrendous acting, but I very much appreciate that he tweeted something, didn’t delete it, and then owned up to it without apologizing. It’s rare to see someone in HW express themselves truthfully and then not give a f_ck what anybody has to say about it. I’m sure it’s because he’s an older, rich diva and set for life, but I still find it refreshing.

    I always kind of liked Bruce Willy because he’s an atheist, but ever since that Red 2 interview my admiration has gone steeply downhill.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      I know! I was really surprised that his people confirmed that it was about Willis–definitely not the norm in today’s age of micromanaged PR.

    • ZigZagZoey says:

      Let me say first I am not picking on you Nerd Alert ( I ♥ you )….
      But I think it’s sorta funny how people are saying they like that Sly did this and was honest about it…But get mad at Bruce for not wanting to do a fluff interview for a movie coming out….
      It’s okay to be a dick to or about Bruce truthfully and not give a shit, but Bruce better not be a dick to an interviewer! IDK, I just didn’t think that interview was so damn bad. I think he is truthfully sick of the fluff crap that goes along with making a movie!
      I guess that’s why I like Bruce, he seems pretty honest, and not full of shit or HGH.

      • Nerd Alert says:

        LOL @ full of HGH (<3 you too!)

        No, that's fair, Zoey. I think the difference people are seeing is that Bru Willy (sp. on purpose, due to Key and Peele) came across as ungrateful, and has been appearing that way for awhile now.

        I mean, I still have a soft spot for anyone who stands their ground as a fairly conservative, non-religious person because we tend to be liberal, but I still don't condone ANY diva antics, it's my peeve. Divas piss me off like no other, (except Mimi whom I find endlessly hilarious but would never go anywhere near).

        That said, what I've put in these two posts is nearly the whole of what I know about Bru Willy. AND Sly Stallone. So consider me put off, yet not well informed.

      • Nerd Alert says:

        [how do you get the heart to work?]

      • UsedToBeLulu says:

        Alt 3

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      Well I love both of you guys <3
      So there. 😉

      I dislike Willis not for that one interview but for the MANY interviews he’s done when he acted like an unprofessional douche, and for the way he treats other people (see Kevin Smith’s-a guys who is known as being really nice-comments about Willis above).

      There's this:

      …and the way he acts so “put out” by his fans:

      "6:48 p.m. – Bruce Willis, is and just bear with me here… He’s just standing there… He’s mumbling to himself… I can see his mouth moving. He’s fucking counting… “1-2-3-4-5” Then he takes ten steps and counts again, “1-2-3-4-5.” Oh, I get it. This is for us, the little people to take a picture of the almighty Bruce Willis."

      …and for making a waitress cry:

      I know you like him, ZZZ, but the guy is an asshole. You don't have to stop liking him, just know that he's a douchebag 🙁

      • Nerd Alert says:


        So consider me much more informed now…Not always the biggest fan of Kevin Smith (neutral, I’d say) but he’s as straightforward as they come. [Speaking of, have you seen his comic book men show? I don’t know how to feel about it…]

        Anyhoodle. WOW! My mother always (literally, quite often) told me “A person who is not nice to a waitress is not a nice person.”

        Luckily I’m one of these people with flexible opinions, and my oh my have they been put to the test today!

        P.S. OKitten, you KNOW I just adore you, right?

      • ZigZagZoey says:

        Well, I do like Kevin Smith a LOT, and would tend to believe him more than anyone. So yup, Bruce is an a hole! BOO!
        I guess I gave him leeway because I would absolutely hate to be famous and deal with all that bullshit. But it IS a big part of the job! He just seems OVER IT. But if he is, then he should stop making movies!
        But I love that we can disagree and not care! ♥

        Nerd Alert ~ I would have to describe myself as fairly conservative and non religious! Hee! And I too hate arrogance so much. It is usually the reason why I dislike the celebs I dislike. I think I am confusing his arrogance with not liking bullshit! I have always thought of him as being snarky and sarcastic…
        And I can be loyal to people for a long time for such things as being in movies I loved.

        Either that or he’s going thru the change of life and is majorly cranky…
        Which could also describe me lately….!

        Oh and ♥ = Hitting the Alt key and the #3 (on the number pad on a keyboard, not the numbers up top) at the same time. ♥

      • Nerd Alert says:

        Thanks! I ♥ you! Oh look at me, working that Alt key.

        Kudos to you for being non-religious and holding your ground as a conservative! I’d consider myself almost anti-religion and just left of moderate. But atheists can be aggressive with their opinions, and some people find it difficult to stand up against them when they disagree, even if they’re being reasonable. It’s an equal but opposite force (science reference!) on the other side of the aisle, so kudos to you for making up your own mind.

        /Long-winded irrelevant opinion statement

        To sum it up, I ♥ ZZZ and OKitten, and I have a teensy bit more respect for Sly Stallone, and I no longer admire Bru Willy. People would probably get sick of my shenanigans if I didn’t pick and choose a few posts to comment on daily.

      • TheOriginalKitten says:


        ^^^^^^^Hey now! Look at that!

        @ZZZ-don’t worry, you can still like Willis. I still like Franco even though he’s the Most Epic Douchebag of All Time 😉

        @NerdAlert-I’m totally like you re: atheism. I always applaud anybody in the public eye who proudly proclaims their atheism as there’s still such a stigma behind it. Many people are ashamed/afraid to say they’re atheist, mainly because we’re so often misunderstood and in many cases, despised.

        I actually didn’t know Bruce was an atheist, but I still think he’s a d*ck. Gimmee Gervais, Kevin Bacon, Janeane Garofalo, John Malkovich and Helen Mirren for my atheist celebs 🙂

      • ZigZagZoey says:

        Um….I don’t hate James Franco nearly as much as I should either….And he really is a douche without question!

      • Nerd Alert says:

        OKitten, I’m with you!

        I understand that my original comment made it seem like I only liked him because he was an atheist, or that I like all of the atheists. That’s my fault, but it’s not exactly true, it’s just what stuck out to me about a man I knew very little else about.

        If I could I’d change it to: “I appreciate an open and out atheist.” I do. I always can appreciate that, because atheists are the most hated group in America, as you pointed out. Probably because so damn many of them are aggressively argumentative and hostile the rest of us can’t be seen. Oh, and because we as a whole represent a threat to religion.

        As for my favorite atheists? I’ll go on record and say #1 is a tie between Louie C.K. and Patton Oswalt. Also on my list of faves are Julianne Moore, Keanu, Penn Jilette, Kiera Knightley, and Howard Stern. I do love me some Kevin Bacon and Ricky Gervais (follow his twitter if you have an account!), but Helen Mirren?!? Had no idea. LOVES IT!

      • Green Eyes says:

        And I adore both of you Original Kitten & Nerd Alert & totally agree 🙂 <3

    • Emily C. says:

      I’m an atheist and I’ve known too many atheists who were complete and utter douchenozzles to have an opinion either way on someone just because of that. I’ve also known religious people who were total douchenozzles, of course. But with atheism — well, atheists are not a group. Put two of us in a room and tell us to order a pizza and we’ll be debating toppings an hour later. A simple non-belief in the supernatural doesn’t mean agreeing about ANYTHING else.

      • ZigZagZoey says:

        That’s what you got out of that whole conversation?
        There are aholes in every single category of humans! Which is why I find bigotry and racism so damn stupid.

        And I’m not actually an atheist, I just cannot deal with organized religion!

        And I hate ALL politicians and their stupid parties of varied bullsh-t, so not sure if I actually qualify as conservative!

      • Nerd Alert says:

        @Emily C., First off, I want to say that I like you on CB and almost always agree with your posts.

        I hear you, atheists just love a good fight at the end of the day. Point stands, however, that statistically atheists tend to vote liberally in America, and in this way indeed constitute a group, even if we’re not in a club. My atheist friends are no exception. Plus, they’re all scientists, which definitely affects their political and religious opinions, constituting a sub-group.

        Having been one for most of my life, I’d say that most atheists are aggressive and strongly opinionated, and many will argue over anything, including pizza toppings. Ugh. I had enough debates in college, and have no energy for it now. I like when people shrug off the norm and walk away. It takes more strength for a person with strong opinions to walk than to engage.

        Also, and this is intended with no snark or anger whatsoever, I’m not going to backpedal on opinions (based on statistics) when they are clearly stated as such, just because someone shows up with the exception to the rule. Everybody is the exception to one rule or another, everybody has an anecdote to appeal with.

      • Emily C. says:

        @Nerd Alert — Atheists tend to vote liberally, but “liberal” by U.S. standards is not all that liberal. I am a leftist (if that weren’t obvious), but voting liberal is not enough for me to consider someone a not-douche. Richard Dawkins, for instance, is a rape-apologizing misogynist. And there is a strong thread of femininity-bashing in many atheist communities. Ayn Rand was also an atheist.

        Some of my best friends have been Catholics. (I seem to get along well with both Catholics and Wiccans for some reason.) From what I’ve seen, there are only a few small cults that can tell me anything about a person’s character if they belong to them. Scientology, for instance. Other than that, I am not going to make any judgment about a person because of their religion or lack thereof, though I’m a dedicated Invisible Pink Unicornist myself.

        @ZZZ — I wasn’t replying to the “whole conversation”. Just Nerd Alert’s comment.

      • ZigZagZoey says:

        Emily C ~ Sorry, didn’t mean to sound bitchy! And I did.
        Couldn’t agree more with this ~

        there are only a few small cults that can tell me anything about a person’s character if they belong to them. Scientology, for instance. Other than that, I am not going to make any judgment about a person because of their religion or lack thereof

        Can I add Born Again Christians to that? If someone can’t have a regular conversation without saying “In Jesus’ name” every 2 seconds…I just can’t deal with it!
        But let me say again ~ I’m quite sure there are many BAC’s that I would have no problem with. It’s just the people who try to push it on you in every sentence..

      • Nerd Alert says:

        Emily, I understand what you are saying, but the only thing I said before you started was that I appreciate/admire an atheist who leans conservative because he is going against the grain, and that is statistically true, no matter what your standards of liberalism are. It’s just a plain fact that here, atheists tend to be liberal. I didn’t say I love every atheist, or agree with every atheist. To the contrary, I expressed annoyance that they tend to be very disagreeable. I didn’t say atheists are never douches, and I didn’t excuse Bru Willy’s behavior (again, condemned it). Dawkins isn’t part of what I mentioned because he isn’t a voting member of the USA.

        So I get your point, I’m just not sure who you’re arguing with anymore, or what exactly you had a problem with.

        I think this conversation got twisted from it’s original context, since we started with a “breaking free from the norm” theme and ended up with “who’s the bigger a-hole?”

        That said, I don’t actually dislike religious people as a group, but religion as an institution. I don’t need to “respect someone’s beliefs” to respect the believer. I dislike when people inappropriately capitalize (He, Him) or push/overshare their beliefs, and I recognize CO$ as a terrible, criminal cult (not a religion).

        @Emily: None of this negates that religious people and people with similar political agendas can easily be lumped together for the purpose of conversation. Sorry, but nobody is nonjudgmental like that, I’m not going to pretend to be.

      • Leen says:

        Am I the only atheist who really really cannot give two f*cks on what people believe? I don’t even like getting into arguments about creationism/evolution/big bang with theists. I just think its pointless, no point in trying to change what people believe in. If people are happy believing in a heaven or hell, god or gods, good for them. I just can’t bring myself to believe in such, and no way I’m forcing myself to do so, hence my lack of religion and belief.

        And this is really weird, but the people I tend to meet who are right-wing tend to be atheists, weirdly enough.

  28. JillyRo says:

    From all accounts SS has always been reported as nice and respectful (and he must work hard as he writes, directs, ect. a control freak).

    But I think we are seeing the TRUE Bruce lately. Bruce is probably MUCH douchier and acts more self-entitled than the public realizes. Two “Bruce is a douche” stories in a row and likely more to come (once the can is opened…), not the best career move at his age. I don’t think Bruce had to worry about “career failure” in the past and could get away with smug douchiness, but now, Dude is pushing 60, roles are not as plenty in that age group (hence why they area ALL doing Expendible movies!! And when was the last time Bruce did not call a role in???). Bruce has to realize as an almost-Senior that he is no Daniel day Lewis as he enters his Senior acting years!!

  29. lady_luck says:

    TEAM STALLONE. Bruce is a rude w****r! Stallone seems like one of those genuinely nice guys whom if you rushed up to grab an autograph he would pose with you and ask how your day was.

  30. april says:

    Stallone’s obvious brow lift and fillers look awful.

  31. Meggie says:

    Hate to admit it but I love the Expendable movies, so cheesy and fun.
    It’s like the Golden Girls for action dudes.

    • Ally8 says:

      Lol, Honest Trailer should use that as the tagline.

    • Ennie says:

      I thought I was going to hate it when my husband dragged me to watch it, but they were really fun. I learned here about the academic achievements of Dolph Lundgren, I did not know why he played a crazy fighter scientist in the movies before!
      I could not watch BW the same way as before, though. He seemed douchy compared to the others and I look forward to my forever crush Harrison Ford. I am very curious of what role he will do. He was my foreved dong. Bruce willis out? Who cares!!!!!!

  32. Rux says:

    I saw both Expendables and I liked them both very much. But I grew up in the Arni, Sly, Chuck, Jean Claude, etc. era of action flicks and I LOVE THEM and I still LOVE them. My Dad and I will get together still and put on a few oldies, like The Predator, Terminator and/or Rambo/Rocky and have a field day. It was our bonding time back when I was a teenager and it’s still our bonding time now. And yes, I am a female and I still love those flicks.

  33. taxi says:

    Bruce’s career is stronger than Sly’s & Sly’s plastic surgery results are hideous. His surgical efforts to try to stay young-looking failed. Bruce didn’t get hair transplants, so I’d guess Sly is the more insecure of the 2 men & more likely to snark the other.

  34. lisa says:

    what’s greedier and lazier than rocky 9 or whatever number they are on?

  35. Maritza says:

    I’ve seen them all and they are action packed from the beginning till the end. I like Sylvester Stallone he’s always so cool.

  36. Jayna says:

    Stallone all the way. He does a movie and promotes it with great effort and personality. Willis has been a bore for years. He wants the money but can’t be bothered with promoting it to the peasants, except maybe with Letterman he’s comes with his A game. Other than that, he barely raises his voice above a whisper in interviews and seems like he’s put out to have to go through interviews. Bless his heart.

  37. Ally8 says:

    Oh noes, major slumming, Harrison.

  38. Emily C. says:

    I never really liked Stallone, but this makes me like him more. It’s so rare for rich men in Hollywood to call each other out. Good for him.

  39. Chrissy says:

    I thought Bruce Willis used to have a great reputation as a likeable and down to earth guy. Wonder what happened?

  40. buzz says:

    Well, Willis is a Republican. Being a douche comes with territory.

    • Ennie says:

      I read over at other blog that one reporter doing his job (maybe at some festival, and it was too crowded) somehow ended up too close to Willis, and he “amicably” let the reporter know tht he was too close, and that he was “packing”. That is downright menacing and aggresive.
      After that, I just cannot like Willis. I will remember his early Die Hard movies, and the great episodes of Moonlighting, but that was mean of him.
      The reporters and the fans are probably too “little” for him. Douche.

  41. Claudia says:

    Oh Harrison 🙁 but I won’t shade him, he’s probably not seeing very many scripts these days. I will always love you for being Indiana Jones, Hans Solo, the President, in Witness, and all your awesome 90s action movies that meld together in my mind.

    As for The Expendables– you better believe there’s an audience for it. When the first one came out I was doing my undergrad and there were DROVES of guys super hyped to see it who sold out the theaters in the area the day of. All my guy friends were making man dates to go see it. I couldn’t believe it, the trailers made it look Transformers-esque with its brainless action. I finally saw it and thought it was awful. Explosions! Explosions! Explosions! But there are a lot of guys who love it.

  42. Kaboom says:

    Those movies are mainly about the fun of putting 1980s action movie icons in a single flick. Looks like Bruce was looking to phone in another performance as he did in the final Die Hard movie (oh please let it be the final one) and make out like a bandit because people like that recipe Stallone has come up with. Good riddance.

  43. Shannon says:

    And don’t forget Sly….he’s a d-ck too!!! That Red 2 interview was a perfect example.

  44. TheWendyNerd says:

    I remember reading Kevin Smith’s book, and he talked about making Live Free Or Die Hard and Cop Out with Willis. During Die Hard, Smith thought he was the coolest dude on the planet and couldn’t wait to make Cop Out with him and had him in mind for a Hockey movie he wanted to make. Apparently Bruce was a huge pain in the ass, refusing to say lines, follow script and direction, stuff like that. After that shoot, Smith said he had absolutely no interest in workin with Willis again. At first I thought maybe Smith might be exaggerating a bit because he tends to get kind of pissy when one of his movies aren’t received well and he seemed to be almost blaming Willis for the movie not doing well. But I have been reading so many stories about how much of a douche Willis is that I believe everything Smith said 100%. Sad because I used to like him so much.

  45. Jag says:

    Yeah, I don’t think Bruce’s career is dead from this one thing. But if he continues a pattern of being a jerk, and wanting too much money, it could be.

    Why would they put Mel Gibson in the 3rd film? It’s going to flop now. No one wants to see him because he’s worse than Bruce.

  46. skuddles says:

    Hey Sly, at least Bruce Willis isn’t rumored to be a serial shitter. I’ve heard this more than once… he apparently likes to crap all over his hotel rooms – everywhere but in the toilet.

  47. jane16 says:

    I’ve known Sly since I was a young woman, he was a regular at a country club I worked at, and he was always amazingly nice and polite, never diva-ish, never threw his weight around (he was a huge star back then) or threw temper tantrums, like many of the other movie stars that frequented this place.

    I met Bruce a few years later, and while he’s not in my total asshole list, he is arrogant, fussy, and obnoxious.

  48. Dawn says:

    I think he started out cool when he went from being a bar tender to Moonlighting but then he married Demi and something weird happened. I keep hearing really ugly stories about him not being so nice, ignoring kids asking for autographs and stiffing waiters and so on. I think it’s funny because he used to call Sybil a bitch and now look at him. Talk about buying into a character you played…that’s Bruce.

  49. Carolyn says:

    What you talking ’bout Willis?

    Willis still thinks he’s the cool John McLane from the first Die Hard movie. He’s just thinks “yippiekiya mother…”

  50. Das Spleen says:

    Action films for those who want to pretend it’s still 1985. Avoid. I’m hanging out to see Spike Lee’s remake of Oldboy.

  51. Bev says:

    Harrison Ford is awesome….can’t stand Bruce Willis.

  52. Jennifer12 says:


  53. nordicgoddess says:

    my dad looks exactly like harrison ford.. unfortunatelly that put a damper on chosing han solo over luke…

  54. Jenn says:

    Sly is the bee’s knees for writing Rocky. He’s old and crotchety but heck, he did that and sold it and himself.

    I always liked Bruce in Die Hard, but years of that seeing that snotty smirk, and I gotta think, there’s a petty twathead lurking in there somewhere.

    I’d rather see Harrison’s snarky grin any old day.

  55. abe says:

    ……………the end is coming soon.

  56. Mew says:

    Yeeeah, he has had such a short career in acting that it’s total failure while Stallone has been putting hit after hit, year after year out… no wait what? Oh right.