Too many of you have asked for coverage of One Direction’s Zayn Malik and his engagement to someone named Perrie Edwards of something called “Little Mix”. I can honestly say that I know nothing about them. Or, should I say, I knew nothing about them before today, because I actually had to do some background research on this crap. About a week ago (I guess?), Zayn and Perrie announced their engagement – he’s 20 years old. She’s 20 years old. They’re both in the music industry and he’s one of the most loved teeny-bopper types out there. They’ve been together since December 2011, although their relationship seems to have been off-and-on (there was one big breakup last year).
But sure, they are 20 years old and engaged. He gave her a small engagement ring and they both seem very happy. It will never last, of course, because they are 20 years old and in the music industry, but it’s cute to see them try to take the next step. So will they actually try to make it down the aisle, or will this be some extended engagement? When asked about on GMA on Tuesday, Zayn admitted that they don’t have a wedding date: “I’m not sure myself yet [when we’ll get married]” and the rest of 1D said that they’re all super-busy. Which is also fine. However, sources say that Zayn wants a traditional Muslim wedding and a Christian wedding. For real?
One Direction‘s Zayn Malik and fiancee Perrie Edwards are head over heels for each other and have reportedly started planning their wedding, however, no date has officially been set — yet! A report says that the fun-loving, engaged couple will have a Muslim wedding complete with Muslim music and flowers.
“Perrie and Zayn are insanely happy, and their relationship’s even stronger because they get on with each other so well. With that in mind, as well as looking into a church wedding, the pair are also discussing having a traditional Islamic ceremony, because Zayn’s family are Muslim,” a source tells Look magazine.
It sounds like the couple is being totally respectful of both of their faiths! We couldn’t be happier for them.
Perrie is also reportedly considering a ceremony, which would combine both of their religions. She will allegedly make plans to speak with a Muslim officiant and a priest, the source says. Perrie loves the idea of walking down the aisle to traditional Muslim music and incorporating flowers blessed with rosewater, which is a large part of an Islamic wedding. Sounds lovely!
I’m not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but I think the fact that he wants a traditional Islamic wedding and she wants a Christian wedding is probably a bad sign. This is a fight they will be having for the rest of their lives (if they stay together longer than one more year). First it’s how many weddings they should have, then it’s who should quit working (and it won’t be Zayn) and then it will be which religion to raise their children. I’m not saying that interfaith relationships/marriages can’t work. I’m not saying that AT ALL. I am the product of an interfaith marriage, and many interfaith marriages are just fine. I’m saying that a 20-year-old man who identifies as a traditional Muslim, who also is in a wildly successful boy-band, will not be able to make it work with a young Christian singer who wants a church wedding. This is a case-specific situation where I just don’t see how they could make it work for any length of time.
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Wow, Kaiser, way to let your cynic flag fly! I wish the best of luck to these two crazy kids – they will be my new Miley & Liam.
They respect both of their families and faiths, what’s the big deal ? A muslim man can marry a christian woman and interfaith unions are more common that you’d think.
I agree with you and I also see where Kaiser is coming from. My stepsister is Muslim (I’m Christian) and I remember the eyebrow raising that happened when she dated a Christian. It wasn’t that the family didn’t like him or respect him, it was that they were both very devout in their respective beliefs and we were all like…”yeah, someone is going to have to compromise if this is going to go anywhere.” It turned out that they compromised by splitting up, lol.
I’m not saying that interfaith marriages don’t happen / don’t work, but it will take a lot of effort on the part of these 20 year olds if they really are serious.
I wonder if the eyebrow raising was more because in Islam it is acceptable for a Muslim man to marry a Christian woman but it is not acceptable for a Muslim woman to marry a Christian man.
Yeah, muslim men can marry non muslim IF AND ONLY IF they convert (the same for women for that matter). Converting for a muslim is a crime punishable by death in the islamic law.
Not interfaith unions involving Muslim males.
Oh, I better tell that to my friend then, I am sure she will be very interested to hear that her parents marriage can’t work. Especially since they have been happily married for 30 years or so now.
@carmen, thanks for the laugh.
This is crazy, I’m Muslim and there’s no such rule as that. It might be a man made rule in some extreme country but not from the teachings of Islam. You can only be Muslim if you choose to be, and if you’re forced, well that defies the purpose.
Okay. Here is the thing. Both muslims man and woman can marry unmuslims wih one requirements, if they can make their spouse converts into a muslim as well. Because of they cant, they will sins and go to hell because their spouse is their responsibility. So, the woman is better not to be the one who is a muslim when the guy is non muslim. Bcause its going to be harder to make the man converts
I wonder if one or both of them is just assuming the other one will “come around” after they are married, which is always a bad policy.
I’m a Christian girl who dated a very good-looking, well-educated Muslim guy for about two years and we discussed marriage.
He wasn’t particularly religious, but as soon as we started getting serious he started asking me to cover my arms and started complaining if my necklines were too low and my skirts too short. And I’m no Miley Cyrus. At the time, I worked at a bank!
We never did get married.
I’ve heard this story many times almost verbatim. I have a good friend who is native-born Turkish and raised Muslim but she left Turkey for med school and never looked back. She’s a secular and refuses to date a man of Muslim background UNLESS he is fully westernized. It’s for the reason you mentioned above. But I want to stress that we are talking about men who are serious about their religious background. Of course there are many fully secular Muslim men who don’t care what their non-Muslim partners wear. Same for Christians and Jews. I never dated a Catholic man who tried to make me attend Mass or pray the Rosary with his grandmother once we got serious.
@Lindy
You were clearly dating a man with conservative interpratations. Odds are had he been from a Christian background he would have a conservative interpratation of that too.
He may not make you cover your arms but he would expect you to be a Proverbs 31 woman. He would also expect you to submit to his authority, see Corinthians. Any rebellion from these principles and he would dismiss you as a “Jezebel” (not the website lol). I know all this from experience.
Religious nuts exist in every faith. Muslims are just an easier target for these stereotypes.
The thing is though, that I think her and I are talking about, is that through the whole dating period, they weren’t conservative. I personally took that at face value. So to have someone suddenly shift personalities like that, and turn in to a more conservative, and, in my case, controlling, authoritative male personality is pretty devastating.
But I’m curious as to why this is called “conservative” rather than what it actually is, which is “controlling” and maybe “misogynistic”. I just don’t think labels like conservative and liberal apply here.
Oh stop it! You picked shit men to date. Dont lay that crap on a quarter of the worlds population, whats wrong with you?!
I read her comment. She didn’t lay anything on anyone except the guy she dated. No need to verbally abuse her.
Lindy — yep. Dating and being married are two very different thing when it comes to Muslim men
I lived this as well. Not fun. Luckily, I got out before a marriage occurred.
Lindy, did you ever meet his parents?
“Complete with Muslim music”???
What does that even mean? Since when can music be Muslim? If they mean Pakistani music that makes more sense since he’s half Pakistani.
In the same way music can be Christian.
No it’s not. There’s no such thing as Muslim music.
And by “Christian music” you mean gospel? Will the muslim Mahalia Jackson be serenading them down the aisle? Because if not, that article should say Pakistani Music not Muslim Music.
music also isnt christian. a song can have religious lyrics and be written by someone of faith but the music doesnt have a religion.
its quite interesting btw why basically all classic music was made by christians. its not based on the religion its based on the technology. the chinese and the ancient greeks also had it but they only saw it as toys not as instruments. in western europe they used it to make what we now call classic music. it just a coincidence that the majority of the musicians were christians. its not christian music.
i dont think the faith matters here at all, they both strongly believe in showmances 🙂
Same with Muslim flowers — I didn’t know flowers had religions.
Ha! My thoughts exactly!
Good point. “Muslim music” is a totally weird phrase, needlessly alienating.
Maybe Persian music, you hear it playing everywhere in the Middle East. But I would argue that there is Christian music, you can hardly call hymns anything else, songs of faith and devotion specific to Christianity and written to be sung in Christian churches. The tune itself may be independent of faith affiliation but when the song is written by someone in the throes of their faith, as a manifestation of their faith, it is most definitely religious.
Stop bring so closed-minded. All a Muslim wedding is going to the mosque and signing a marriage contract. Anything additional is cultural. I bet you went to many Hindu/Christian ceremonies before. Why should Muslims be any different. I’ve noticed from previous posts that you have something against Muslims. I suggest you expand your horizons and learn something about us instead of relaying on your prejudices.
Edited to add that the contract signing doesn’t even have to occur at the mosque. In Palestine the sheik comes to the house. There’s your big and scary Muslim wedding kaiser.
Hmmm, I wonder who you’re talking to since you don’t address anyone by name.
Actually, a Muslim wedding is much more than just signing a contract. A Muslim wedding effectively puts the non-Muslim bride under submission to her Muslim husband (who in turn, is under submission to Islam). It also guarantees that the children will be Muslim whether the wife agrees or not. According to Islamic teaching ALL children born to a Muslim father are automatically Muslim.
It’s a chain of command: Islam < Husband < Wife < Children. This "chain" does not exist in Christianity or Judaism.
I'm not criticizing this. It's a choice a woman makes when she agrees to marry a practicing Muslim. I'm only correcting your rather simplistic explanation.
It’s more than that. As a product of a Muslim-Christian marriage I can tell you that it’s not just putting the wife under ‘submission’.
Actually a huge part of a Muslim wedding is the woman’s demands. A woman is allowed to present a contract of what she expects out of the marriage. It could be simple (children) or it could be like my mom’s (she wanted to be supported while she finished her education, and live in a home).
The men, when they sign this agreement, are then bound to submit to her demands. The woman, by the way, is not asked to sign anything similar, other than promising to honour and love her husband (just like Christian weddings).
So actually, in the broad sense of Islamic marriages, it’s usually the woman who comes out of it with a ‘submission’.
As a practicing Muslim I’m pretty sure my understanding of Islam is anything but simplistic. You’re understanding of Islam is off. The chain of command you’re pointing out exists in both Christianity and Judaism. We are all equal in from of god. There’s no “chain of command” in Islam. In the other hand, you should read your religious books. Doesn’t it say to murder your children if they disobey? I’m not looking to get into a discussion about my religion. I’m going to leave it at “you have your religion and I have mine.”
@Maureen I’d recommend listening to Rulla, and be wary of lecturing a Muslim about her beliefs and traditions. As Rulla mentions, the “chain of command” is present in all three of the Abrahamic religions.
As for the description being too simplistic, no it’s not. There really is no such thing as a “Muslim wedding”, different cultures perform weddings differently. Even in the same country you’ll find different families have different traditions.
When I signed the contract, I got to discuss and agreed with the Sheikh on my bridewealth, and the terms for financial compensation if we divorce…that’s a lot more protection than I would get in a Christian marriage contract (without a separate pre-nup agreement)!
not sure why you are saying this does not exist in Christianity. i was raised fundamentalist Christian and what you are describing is the structure of family authority exactly. The husband/father is the earthly representative of God and the wife and children are under his “umbrella” of authority and must accept his interpretations of how God wants him to lead the family.
Most people really don’t feel strongly about conflicting religions… until a child comes along. What a game changer that can be.
I am Catholic, and I think that a non-catholic person, in order to marry a a Catholic in church has to sign an agreement in which he promises that the children will be raised Catholic. So it isn’t any different than in Islam. This doesn’t occur in other Christian religions?
I’ve never met people who had two religiously different ceremonies so I don’t know how that works.
“It’s a chain of command: Islam < Husband < Wife < Children. This "chain" does not exist in Christianity or Judaism."
Oh it absolutely exists in Christianity and Judaism. Though in my former faith (a branch of Christianity) it goes more like Jesus < Husband < Children < Dog < Chair < Dirt < Wife
That little chain of command isn’t just for Muslims, it also applies to the LDS/Mormons. The temple ceremony does not include much wording regarding love and commitment to each other. It does however, emphasize commitment to the CHURCH. The church is the number one priority in an LDS marriage and its needs supercede any needs of the husband or wife. The husband or “priesthood” holder commits to the church and receives his wife. The wife, submits to her husband, the children are then born under the covenant (the children then “choose” to be baptized into the faith at 8 yeas of age).
Let’s be fair and not just make this into a Muslim vs. the World issue.
As someone who grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household, the New Testament, especially Paul’s letters, specifically tell women to submit to their husband’s authority.
ataylor, I agree. My sister married a non practicing LDS man and although they got married only at the justice of the peace and not in the LDS temple (we are not LDS), the chain of command seems a lot similar as to how her husband’s family is run.
And also how they run my sister and her daughter’s life – and now, the new baby on the way.
I am sad for her.
I find this whole issue to be very interesting.
My Grandfather & 2 Uncles are pastors in the ‘Church of God’ (which is considered related closely to ‘Protestant’/’Pentecostal’ beliefs). My Mom was never as strict beyond a certain age, about making us go to church, but my aunts were.
Personally, I never got anything out of going. I believe in God, but beyond that, I really don’t know. But what was the ‘last straw’ in questioning their beliefs were when I asked about why there weren’t women as pastors, & what women’s roles were perceived to be based on the Bible. I immediately rejected the idea of a woman being seen as ‘less than’ a man, or a woman should ‘submit’ to a man, isn’t good enough to be a ‘pastor/legitimate preacher of God’s word’, or is somehow less in God’s eyes.
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But I digress. I can be quite cynical about religions (often tied in some way to my opinions of my family, & I’m sure, their opinions of me). So I know I don’t give them a ‘fair shake’ sometimes.
I find it fascinating to hear everyone’s take on how dual-religion relationships/households can work. I admit I’d never even considered it a possibility.
This is ridiculous and that hierarchy, for the ultra conservatives that choose to follow it, exists in all the religions. Also that Islam considers all children born under an Muslim dad as Muslims, Jews consider all children born under a Jewish mother as Jewish (all others must officially convert). But I suppose you would never consider that as forceful since we are talking about Jews and not Muslims.
Sorry this comment was @Maureen
Jews recognize Jewish bloodlines through the mother. That’s BLOODLINE. Very different from what I wrote. Islam isn’t passed as a bloodline. Islam is passed through the family by the father’s familial supremacy. They are not even the same. I don’t even know why some of you are arguing with me. It _is_ a fact that according to Islamic teaching children born to Muslim fathers are automatically Muslim.
We’re arguing with you because what you ascribe as solely Islamic is in fact an Abrahamic tradition. No one is saying Muslims don’t place the husband above the wife we are arguing with your refusal to acknowledge that this is also true of other Abrahamic religions. If you want to see where this most evident look at all their laws on ownership and inheritance. In some cases the children (especially male children) are even place above the wife.
@ spooks.
My Catholic brother married his Lutheran wife in a Lutheran ceremony, I was a godmother at the Lutheran baptizing of one of their children. It does not have to be a contract or anything.
On the other hand, her sister married her catholic husband in a dual ceremony, don’t know about their children. Where I am from, catholic majority, there are not many strung out people telling pthers to cover up. Men who do that to their wives usually have personal issues, it is not because of religion.
Yes, that is correct. A non-Catholic can marry a Catholic in the Catholic Church without converting to Catholicism. However, the couple has to sign a contract promising to raise any children from the marriage as Catholics. Which is how my Catholic mother chose to raise 5 little Lutherans. Nobody tells mama what to do!
Thing is, there isn’t really any such thing as an Islamic or Muslim wedding… the weddings in, for example, Egypt compared to Pakistan are totally different.
There can be some certain shared influences, but the wedding traditions are shaped more by the traditional culture than the religion.
Some wedding parties go on for 4 days, and what Westerners or Christians might count as the actual wedding day, is really the most lost key party!
Now, I don’t know about Pakistani weddings but, in my experience, the Sheikh doesn’t preside or officiate over any public ceremony, the couple agree upon and sign the marriage contract with with the Sheikh in the presence of two witnesses and that’s that, the rest of the wedding is up to the family.
*edited to add, Rulla beat me to it above 🙂
I know nothing of them either, but she’s 20?? She looks 30. At least. And he looks 17.
Perie is not Christian. She may identify with Western traditions that many associate with Christianity, for instance white weddings, but she is not Christian. That child couldnt tell you the crucifiction story if you paid her.
The only way this could be defined as an inter-faith relationship is if we think Secularism is a religion. Zayn (who I gather does observe the five pillars of Islam) is marrying an unreligous girl who happens to like White weddings.
Is one of the five pillars being caught naked in a hotel room with a woman who isn’t your girlfriend, ‘cos otherwise I’m guessing he isn’t all that devout!
@Tapioca
He is like many people of faith deeply flawed (some might say a hypocrite). He has a belief in God and observes the fundamentals but also has aspects of his life that ran counter to that faith.
My intention was not to claim that he is a Saint or even a very good Muslim but rather to make it clear that he is a man of Faith. As opposed to the fiance, who may well be a better humanbeing than him, but holds no religous belief.
LOL , are you serious? According to islam,chrestainty or judisim…he should not have even a gf in the first place.
Get your facts straight Toto. Islam doesnt forbid courtship.
Also read Shanies second paragraph very carefully. She says he may be a sinful Muslim but he is a Muslim in more than just a secular way.
I doubt she is Christian whether in form or practise. It would surprise me if she has had any of the sacraments including baptism. Or if she even professes belief in a risen Christ, which is the most fundamental requisite to claim to be Christian.
Their differences are cultural not religious. And I doubt those cultural differences run very deep or even beyond her desire for a cinderella wedding.
The bigger issue here is the number of times Zayn has been nabbed cheating on her. Lets see: there was that time his jump off sold pics of them in bed with his arm over her and Perrys stuff visible in the background. The taped phone call of him begging groupies to come to the hotel for you-know-what. Aaaand theres that tape of him fighting a handler for blocking a groupie from his room. The real story here is 2 kids getting married inspite of clear and public infidelity.
How do you know she’s not Christian?
Dont mess with 1D fans. They have been scouring her life for evidence of a baptism, so far nothing. I also doubt she means Christian as in follower of Christ. I think she is using Christian as synonym for “Western culture”.
In my country being Catholic is as much a social matter as it is a religious one. She doesn’t have to attend mass every week to be considered Christian.
Spooks, it sounds like Catholicism in your country is viewed through a cultural lens too. A Catholic, speaking doctrinally is someone who adheres to the seven sacraments. A priest would for example refuse to conduct the funeral of someone who had never been baptised Catholic.
I know. I am a practicing Catholic. But there have been occasion in which the priest did conduct a funeral even though the person did not have the sacraments ( that was during communism, I can’t think of such an occasion in recent years?
Spooks, sure he may ignore lapses in taking eucharist but any priest burying an unbaptised adult is operating way outside of Church theology.
You’re probably right. There aren’t many unbaptised people here. As I said, religion here is such a social matter that it is an essential par of everybody’s life, even if they don’t think about it.
Yeah, I was going to ask whether she is Christian-Christian or default-Christian-because-she-got-christened-as-a-baby.
“The only way this could be defined as an inter-faith relationship is if we think Secularism is a religion.” Secularism is as much of a choice as choosing to believe in any religion. You seem to dismiss a secular person as one who lacks knowledge or insight in religious matters. Most people arrive at secularism after rejecting patriarchy, institutionalized cruelty and supernatural explanations for the unknown. I try to be respectful of people’s religious beliefs and I would appreciate the same respect in return.
I very much doubt she’s a Christian in the way Americans would think about it. (Although I know nothing about her and fans are welcome to put me straight).
She’s probably like most white English girls: religion free but nominally CofE, but wants a pretty marriage in a church with a white dress and bridesmaids, not in a boring registry office.
Don’t forget: in the UK, a Church of England wedding is also a civil wedding. If you have a religious service for any other denomination, you have to include a separate civil registrar (at the same time, or get thee to the town hall the next day).
Christian and Muslim weddings happen all the time. This is a ridiculous theory that perpetuates negative stereotypes against Muslims. My parents have been married 42 years and one is of each faith. It’s called being respectful of each others beliefs.
It’s probably not going to work because they’re both really young and super famous. I don’t think the fact that they want to have both ceremonies makes it any more likely to fail.
This same conversation happened when Anne Hathaway’s wedding had a Christian and a Jewish officiant, and it drove me nuts then, too. Just because someone wants to incorporate the religious tradition they grew up with into the ceremony doesn’t mean they will expect their marriage to follow it. I was raised Christian and would probably want a Christian ceremony because it’s part of my culture and it would make my family happy, but I wouldn’t expect my kids to be raised Christian or my husband to conform to Christian values. I don’t think it’s all that uncommon for people to feel that way.
Neeeeeeeever gonna happen (Best Joey Tribianni voice :P)
He is hot.
He really is!
Seriously he is gorgeous. He is definately the best looking one in the band. their movie premiered yesterday and my niece forced me to go watch it (lies) and all i could think was, Wow he is pretty, like anime pretty. A little angsty and quiet for my taste, but wow. Still prefer the Styles for ‘personality’ tho. And I really don’t think this wedding is going to happen religious differences aside.
@CaribbeanLaura – You took the words right out of my mouth xD As an Anime fan, I couldn’t help but draw a comparison when I got a look at the pics above.
As with Pissbucket Beiber, I only heard about 1D in passing after they had already become a HUGE fad, So I avoid them as much as possible. This means I actually haven’t even *looked* at 1 of them individually until now.
I know the guy (Harry?) that Swifty dated, but for the LIFE of me, I don’t understand how anyone finds him attractive. (The last couple pics I saw of him, I swear to GOD he was wearing lipstick.)
*Covers head to avoid onslaught of crazy 1D fans*
and she is soooo butt ugly!
I have a Polish friend who is Catholic who is married to a Pakistani Muslim, they’ve been together for 5 years now and have had no major problems regarding religion. He observes Ramadam, she goes to Mass now and then but neither are strict practitioners. I think it can work if both are more culturally religious than deeply orthodox about their faith.
Is your friend mother to Abed from the TV show Community? Both the character and the actor playing him has a Polish mum and Pakistani dad.
Ha! – I know, that crossed my mind too. But no they both live in the city in Wales that I’m from, she’s just graduated with her MA in history (I met her at uni) 🙂
Why can’t they do both?
How can you do both? Doesn’t one exclude the other?
Of course not, who’s going to stop them, the non-existent religious police? Inter-faith marriages happen all the time as do weddings with multiple ceremonies to satisfy everyone involved. Weddings are largely cultural and social events for most people. They’re much more about family tradition and celebration then anything else.
Now he is the best looking one in 1D. Don’t understand the Harry lust.
I know, right? I don’t find Harry attractive at all.
They all look 12 years old to me, so no not attractive, damn I’m getting old.
@Toot – I just said this above, but the last few times I’ve seen Harry in pics, I swear to GOD it looked like he was wearing *lipstick*. I saw his face on a cover, before I knew who he was? I THOUGHT IT WAS A GIRL. Not. Kidding.
@Nina W – You’re not alone. I may think this guy is ‘pretty’, but I just don’t see ANY appeal in the rest of them. I was a teenager during the Backstreet Boys & NSync days, so I got all that out of my system before I hit 20.
he is so effin pretty, harry is ok, but this boy is like superattractive.
Usually the religious institutions do not allow both ceremonies. Both usually insist for their priest to be there, the couple must confirm the children will be raised in their faith. Hard to say yes, when you have to agree to both. My friends who were Catholic and Jewish could not find a Catholic priest to attend their wedding for this reason; they married in a Jewish only service. I’m Catholic my bf is Orthodox and I know we’ll have to have a lot of conferences with clergy as we are talking marriage in the future. I’m not sure both will give permission. Maybe money helps, or they lie to the church about raising children. But it’s more complicated just for the ceremony than setting a date. Now I dont think different religions are a bad thing, I think it’s great to learn and experience others views; and it doesn’t set them up for failure.
I don’t really think Zayn identifies much as a traditional Muslim. The boy has got tattoos running up and down his arm. My parents are very extremely traditional and they can’t even hear the word ‘tattoo’ without flinching, let alone get some on their body.
In any case, sometimes interfaith marriages work and sometimes they don’t. I’m a Muslim too and agree with other Muslim posters when they say that there really is no “Muslim wedding” – it’s really mostly cultural. I’m in an interfaith, interracial relationship myself and we have talked about marriage and this issue has come up several times. I wish Zayn all the best eventhough One Direction means zip to me.
With all those tattoos, I never thought he was a Muslim…
ThThey are 20 and I agree that there is a good chance this wedding will not take place. But I do know that I never doubt anyone when it comes to their faith. I happen to believe that ALL religions have their good sides and their bad sides. And interestingly enough are based on historical figures. And that is why I don’t place to much faith in anyone religion. I just live my life the best I can and try to stay away from those that think they have the right to judge others based on man-made religions. So good luck to the both of them.
Aren’t tattoos against Islam? It’s downright taboo, like eating pork. What a hypocrite. This boy does not seem like a traditional Muslim by any means.
That’s a bit harsh, he may not be a practicing Muslim hence the tattoos, but still want to honour his family’s religion and traditions. More traditional or conservative families (not just Muslim ones) make these sort of compromises all the time. Many Jews for example do not observe Shabbat but still wish to have a Jewish wedding ceremony or have a bar/bat mitzvah, and the UK is filled with non-practicing “Christians” wanting white church weddings…
I don’t think it is fair to hold one person to a higher standard of religious observance than any others… I mean, when celebitchy covers the big church weddings of celebrities, you don’t see people coming here, questioning their religious convictions and calling them hypocrites.
Lovely argument. You said it better than mine but maybe she is confused as the article labeled him as a traditional muslim which in fact he is not.
Sorry saw your comment after publishing mine, I agree totally with you that this guycan not be called traditiinal muslim. But more like coming from mslim family.this is in no way to judje his heart or faith but more to discuss the traditional muslim tag.
But also, I would not go critises him for what he likes and what he do, he is grown up man and can choose the relgion , the life the way he wants.
HeyHey, you do realise that criticism would apply to her too, right? The book of Leviticus outlaws body marking. So all you good Christians best book your tattoo removal sessions before the rapture. That includes Perrie if she is a Christian in the real sense.
And how many languages was that quote translated through before it reached modern English? Anybody who tries to read the Bible literally is missing that differences in translation would inevitably alter the original meaning and intent.
There are some who believe tattoos are against Islam amd others who don’t. It is not mentioned in the Quran so I would argue that tatoots have no relevancy to religion and cannot be said to be forbidden. Lastly if someone wants to pick and choose what parts of their faith they choose that’s their perogative. Its only hypocritical if he judges others for doing that. Otherwise its just a choice he makes.
They both are adults and they are capable to take their own decision.
I’m not saying they will last forever, I think there r reports that he’s cheated on her many time, but I don’t think their religious differences will have anything to do with their break up. I have seen photos of her attendening many of his family events and he’s always tweeting about her music and supporting her at her concerts. So I don’t see him all of a sudden asking her to quit, or her having a problem with his faith
Why not have both???
If I were in the situation, this would be my compromise. Have 2 weddings. Its not like they would be the first celebrities to do so.
He’s a really good looking boy. Harry Stiles who?
Married at 20?
Married in a Christian church?
Married to someone with “traditional” religious beliefs?
It all sounds awful to me.
Same
According to sharia law, a woman’s intellect is half that of a man. Even a male can divorce his wife by saying talaak 3 times with him having 100% child custody.
So much of political correctness here!!
you know they don’t enforce sharia law in the uk, right?
divorce is much more complicated than that, and it differs depending on the country/sect. it’s not like any muslim man can just shout the talaq like it’s beetlejuice and the woman loses all rights to everything.
Whether UK enforces it or not, the OP’s comment about sharia is correct.
Don’t bother. No matter what you say they’ll stick to their bigotry and misconceptions. And sharia doesn’t say any of that. But like I said, not worth educating these people.
@ maureen – the OP’s original comment has no bearing on anything since the couple are british. so unless we’re having a wider discussion on islam, what’s sharia law got to do with anything? also, it was inaccurate.
@ rulla – even as a died in the wool atheist, the ignorance and islamophobia here today is horrifying
My info is 100% correct. Please refer lord Google otherwise! Shouting bigotry and racism is not an argument! I have lived in Saudi Arabia for 6 months and know about these laws firsthand.
@sputnik lol beetlejuice
@ confused – saudi arabia is unique. many of its residents practice a strict form of islam known in the west as wahabism, as i’m sure you know from experience. and yes, it’s very easy for a man to divorce his wife and not pay maintenance. however, this is not the islamic norm. and it’s certainly not the situation the couple in question would find themselves in.
There’s plenty that is unfair in the Christian world too, where’s your outrage over any of that? The Bible is pretty clear we need to stone a few “stubborn and rebellious” sons to death, let’s get busy and start with the public denouncing and rounding them up into the public square. Gather the townsfolk, we have work to do.
This is ridiculous. They shouldn’t be getting married, particularly after the cheating. It reminds me of the knee-jerk “vow renewal” ceremony that often follows cheating for an already-married couple. He’s doing penance for his sin by marrying her. This will be over before too long…
They aren’t going to last. And I highly doubt religion is the problem. Something is telling me they may not even make it to the altar and say something like “they were too busy for each other”.
ITA they will have what any other young celebrity broblems.
I’m betting broblem was a typo but it’s my new favorite word.
This is like the Spears-Timberlake relationship, only the tables are turned and Malik is the one with the most fame. Little Mix isn’t popular like 1D and likely will never be.
They’re still a nice match though and I do think they are ‘in love’ or as in love as you can be at that age. A lot of passion and intent but not much maturity. Which will be their downfall if you remember his cheating. As if that was the only girl he ever cheated Perry with. And she wasn’t the last. A boy that age, touring so much, spending so much time away from his gf is always going to cheat. Furthermore, a lot people judge famous people negatively when 1 is way hotter than the other (Pitt-Aniston, Cyrus-Hemsworth, Dawson-Boyle) and they usually move on to their ‘equal’ talent, looks and famewise.
This will not last and not because of religion.
Couldn’t have agreed more.
When he says traditional Muslim wedding, I wonder how traditional he’s really talking about. Because if it’s straight up hardcore traditional Muslim wedding, that’ll be a boring as hell wedding. But if he means the kind most people have these days (where there is dancing, and music, and men and women are not seperated), that could be fun and a mutual compromise.
As a Muslim, there’s nothing I hate more than attending super-traditional Muslim weddings. Half the guys are in parking lots are getting drunk off one bottle of liquor (because you’re not allowed to have any alcohol) while the women are all decked out gathered in one side of the room. It’s not fun.
What kind of weddings are you going to? A super-tradtional Muslim wedding complete with drunk people in the parking lot. Honey, that isn’t super traditional.
…she was making the point that they aren’t allowed to drink during the wedding or at any hypothetical reception, so they share a liquor bottle in the parking lot in order to make the dull ceremony sufferable…..
Yeah cause young men never sneak drinks when they’re bored out of their skulls.
When he says Traditional Muslim he more than likely means traditional Pakistani. Why do people always confuse tradition with religion? Also I think a lot of people are confusing traditional with orthodox in this case, one is means a very strict adherence to religious law and protocol while the other allows a lot of leeway. I’ve been to many “traditional” weddings and usually what that means is “ethnic” as in traditional customs (music, food, recitations…) and outfits and if that traditional wedding includes religions aspects then they do that as well.
In my country (Malaysia), any non-Muslim who wants to marry a Muslim MUST convert to Islam. Islam is also untouchable here (untouchable as in no other religion can spread their religion to Muslims, Islam is regarded as the country’s “official religion” and so on.
Only few of them managed to return to their pre-marriage religion/convert to other religion, but they all face the same consequences. They would not be accepted for any sort of help from the government and their families would instantly ostracize them….
So to see people in other countries practicing such understanding and tolerance in interfaith marriage really surprises me.
I’m Malaysian too and honestly, i know of no other country that is as manic-obsessive and uptight about religion as ours. I’m also a Muslim and disagree with about 99.99% of the Muslim “teachings” in our country.
The United States was founded in pursuit of religious freedom and religious tolerance and our government does not endorse any particular religion and seeks to represent all fairly. As a result all religions can exist here and inter-faith marriage is a natural outcome of that. I think religious tolerance and religious freedom are a precious gift and I am proud to have friends who are Christian, Jewish and Muslim.
That’s a lovely sentiment and it would be great if it were true. But while one religion’s holidays are national holidays, it’s not really accurate to say that the U.S. does not endorse any particular religion.
I’m an atheist – but raised Catholic – and really had no exposure to Islamic culture growing up in my little corner of the Northeast.
Having having attended 4 Muslim weddings in the past 2 years (boyfriend’s family is Muslim), I can say I still have no notion what a ‘traditional Muslim wedding’ is, considering each ceremony was completely different. It seemed to me that the individuals’ cultures came heavily into play, as there were practices pulled from Indian, Pakistani, and Afghan traditions – perhaps rooted in Islam, perhaps not.
As far as the relationship not lasting because of their religions… well, relationships have ended for dumber reasons.
Beside others corrections, Excuse me but this guy is not even a tradtional muslim. The whole assumption is wrong.
This guywas born and raised in uk and living the life like any british young men , he might just want to have a pakastani style wedding to please his parent .
That is what I am thinking. There will be a traditional desi wedding but not Muslim.
I think this is over the top and so are the comments.
Zayns mother is an english white woman that to my knowledge never converted to islam. His dad is pakastani muslim. He was not brought up in a strict muslim family so i highly doubt we are talking about major faith problems in this reunion.
On another note, he is far too pretty for her.
Not to mention the fact that Malik got busted cheating on her with a cheap random, Kaiser!!!
If there is likely to be an even bigger sticking point than religion, I’m guessing it would be that.
He’s sooo pretty. So pretty.
I also think he’s the hottest of the ID guys though all of them are pretty cute/handsome in their own way. I saw a clip of them from a couple of years ago and Malik has a wicked sense of humor. Perrie is a lucky girl.
Oh and one more thing: 100% correct. No way this will ever work.
he is cute
why do we waste time on that harry stiles and his creepy overplucked eyebrows. he looks like a young princess stephanie
Umm…..what are “traditional Muslim music and flowers”. Last time I checked we don’t have traditional flowers. There may be cultural music from his background.
I don’t really see religion being that big a problem with these two. Are they devout? As in to the point where their beliefs are a significant part of their daily lives? Doesn’t seem like it. It’s possible that this is more of a wedding-related issue because they both want a big, official ceremony.
I would think Perrie’s bigger concern would be the rumored cheating. I don’t really follow what happens with One Direction, but I do remember the internet damn near falling apart when a fangirl he slept with somewhere posted photos of him asleep.
Um, okay, this may sound ignorant, but what exactly is entailed by a “traditional Muslim wedding with traditional Muslim music and flowers”? I understand the similarities in religious rites, but considering there are a ton of Muslims in the world, with various nationalities and religious sects, it doesn’t make much sense to me.
I admit, I’ve only ever been to one Islamic wedding celebration (and not even the ceremony, just the reception), the family was Muslim and Morrocan, and it was definitely traditional Morrocan according to the bride’s family, but from what I understand, their traditional ceremony differs a bit from say, a Saudi wedding or an Iranian Muslim wedding. They never said anything about “traditional Muslim”, just “traditional Morrocan”. There’s a lot of variation culturally, nationally, religiously among Muslims last time I checked.
Mostly I’ve been to Catholic, Jewish or non-Faith weddings, and they’ve all varied. I’ve been to Deep South Louisiana Catholic weddings, which varied quite a bit from the Polish Catholic weddings I’ve been to, which both have been quite different from the Hispanic/Latin Catholic weddings I’ve seen. They’re all Catholic, but while there are some “Catholic Traditions”, they’re not exactly all uniform to some kind of standard of “traditional Catholic” beyond basic religious rites. With Jewish weddings, there are ones in English, ones entirely in Hebrew, ones mixed, then there are the differences between the Reform, Orthodox and various religious sects and simply cultural differences Sephardic vs Ashkenazic. So once again, there are “Jewish Traditions”, but there isn’t one “Traditional Jewish”.
Considering there are a butt-ton of Muslims just like a butt-ton of Jews and Christians, it has to be similar, right? Because I REALLY DOUBT they’d let stuff like what happened in that Morrocan wedding I went to fly in Afghanistan. Any Muslims want to help me out on this? Maybe I’m totally wrong.
Dang, that man is pretty. And young. Dang; when did I become a dirty old lady?
And isn’t this all on-script for a recent blind item?
I thought for sure that dude was gay.
There is no such thing as a Muslim culture since they vary from country to country. As an American Pakistani Muslim (Dad Pakistani and Mom German-American) who has attended numerous weddings in Pakistan and also Muslim weddings of an Egyptian friend and a Turkish friend, the Islamic rites are called Nikkah (signing of contract with two witnesses and the Imam reciting from the Quran) while the rest of the wedding is dictated by your country’s culture. I think the article meant to say Pakistani traditional wedding music and flowers. Pakistani brides wear red on their weddings while my Turkish friend wore white and had a very American style wedding with a few Turkish traditions.
Also when my mother married my dad, they had both an Islamic wedding at the mosque in the US (and a few months later a traditional Pakistani wedding in Pakistan) and a Christian wedding at my mother’s family’s Church. My mother did not convert at the time but later she converted to Islam of her own volition, when I was 6, after getting a master’s in religious studies with a focus in Islamic Studies. My family still celebrates Christmas with my mother’s side of family as in we attend Mass at the church where my parents married. But we also consider ourselves practicing Muslims, observing Ramadan and going on pilgrimages to Mecca. I’ve grown up reading both the Bible and the Quran, and can say that I chose to be a Muslim rather than was born one. My father is an academic who always encouraged us to seek our own truth.
He is so beautiful. By far the best looking member of 1D. I think it’s misleading to assume he is traditional Muslim. He is a product of a multi racial marriage and his mother is not muslim. The problem here is that they are too young.
He’s the cutest guy BY FAR in 1D, I have no idea why people are so obsessed wtih Harry.
This boy is so incredibly pretty, easily the prettiest one of those boys. I really dont get how Harry became the talking point.
he’s so handsome & so cute.
If interfaith marriages are common, how does the couple decide on which religious ceremony to have? Since some of you are saying parents didn’t have to convert etc
Depends on the couple. My folks did a hybrid ceremony with two officiants.
Well firstly there’s no such thing as a ‘muslim wedding’. Every culture does it differently, so a Malaysian wedding is nothing like a Saudi Arabian wedding and so on.
Neither one of these kids seems especially devout though, or at least they don’t live as though they are, so a Christian wedding to her could just mean a big white dress, and he may just want to include some Pakistani culture in there. That’s perfectly doable without any drama or conflicts.
Um, this just seems totally normal, right? Interfaith marriages with two officiants are pretty standard.
Don’t get me wrong, though. I don’t think the marriage will last either… just for other reasons!
Are you guys crazy ,they are not traditional muslims or christian,they just want traditional wedding ceremony,
if they were tiny bit relgious than they wouldnt be sleeping/kissing before marriage.
Also is zayn’s mom muslim?
and yes a muslim man can marry a christian woman,she does not have to convert,but for a muslim woman the man has to convert.
My mom was christian my grandma didnt like her so she became muslim so maybe they will like her a bit and my dad doesn’t control my her but my mom controls him Lol xD and not all men let their wife cover their face or wear those black things. Im a muslim my ex was a muslim but he became christian and I still dated him even though my dad doesn’t like it
“…with Muslim music and flowers.”
Muslim flowers?
As in, flowers that pertain to a certain religion?