I dig Seth Rogen. He’s a major pothead, but he does work hard and is grateful for his success in the movie industry. He is both passionate and succinct in his opinions but always comes off as loveable.
Then there’s Nancy Grace, who is passionate but neither succinct nor loveable. She has done many terrible things in the course of her cable tv hosting career — including shaming the mother of a missing toddler into suicide. She also did the same for a manslaughter defendant who never made it to trial, thanks to Nancy’s tactics. The woman goes off the rails all the time on tv, but she does have an audience. She’s currently upsetting the WWE with her comments about the Ultimate Warrior’s death. Nancy’s also been going off about the Denver man who killed his wife after he ingested marijuana. Here we go:
Cops say daddy eats marijuana & goes crazy. He shoots his wife in the head while she pleads with 9-1-1 for help! #PotToBlame?
— Nancy Grace (@NancyGraceHLN) April 17, 2014
If pot makes you mellow and laid back, why does this guy allegedly turn berserk and gun down his wife? #PotToBlame?
— Nancy Grace (@NancyGraceHLN) April 17, 2014
How many people must die before this stops?! #PotToBlame?
— Nancy Grace (@NancyGraceHLN) April 17, 2014
Seth tweeted a few choice words in response: “You are a f—ing dumbass.” Well … he isn’t wrong. Nancy will pay no attention because she’s too busy freaking out. I’m not a raging fan of marijuana because of the munchies factor (too many nachos in college), but it doesn’t make people violent. Nancy’s really stretching for ratings by saying pot makes people commit murder.
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He is completely right, she is a f-cking idiot.
She has no idea what she’s talking about.
Nancy Grace is thinking she makes more sense than she actually does? #PotToBlame?
#worsthashtagever
#thehazardsoftoomuchdamnedhairsprayhurtingthebrain
#potisreallynevertoblame
HAHAHAHA Nofcksgiven !!!!!
Thanks for that.
Very funny 🙂 #pottoblame?
😉
Yes he’s right, she is an idiot, but he’s losing credibility by not stating facts and getting down to name calling.
He’s not always lovable. The Bias is strong here.
And while I agree pot does not make you a murderer. You clearly have those pre existing motives and feelings to begin with. It does lower inhibition. I’ve been angry, worried, and paranoid while high. I’ve had friends that have become violent while high or committed crimes while high (where only weed was involved).
What is she going to say if after an autopsy is done and there is a harder drug in his system? Will she issue a retraction? Somehow I don’t think so.
If I smoke pot, I get anxious, paranoid and snack too much. I wish I could enjoy it like some of my friends can. I do have cookies now and again when I’m in extreme pain with my rheumatoid arthritis and it really helps, and eating a cookie instead of smoking doesn’t mess with my head as much. More of a body stone. Maybe Nancy should try it, but then she’d go broke because she might not be as mean and vicious like she is.
SO STOP SMOKING. Jackass.
Some weed is tainted with other things… I remember back in the 80’s going to a party and someone offering joints that were laced with PCP. Now that shit will fry your brain and make you do very violent things. Who’s to say it’s not still going on?
Everyone knows that weed comes in different strains, right? You can try two types with the same amount of THC and they can both affect you differently. There is more than one effective molecule, and in fact some weed has no THC at all. The point is that it’s not necessarily laced, but probably a sativa that makes you anxious where an indica wouldn’t.
I wish it would relax me , but I get paranoid and start having panic attacks. It also makes my heart race in a very scary way.
Guess I will stick to wine and the occasional Valium.
Cannot STAND Nancy Grace. The woman is vile. I agree – she could use a good bong hit or two. Maybe it’d make her more tolerable.
I’m on the fence about Seth Rogen. I really want to like him but there’s something that’s making me not like him, I can’t pinpoint it. But he is right about this, Nancy Grace is a dumbass if she thinks marijuana leads people to kill and such.
It must be the pose he gives on red carpet. It is the same pose every f-cking time. Or maybe his his close friendship with James Franco. He is a smug douchebag by association.
I love him though. His movies are fun and he seems to stand for things he believes in.
All of this!
It’s the James Franco connection. I don’t understand it either. 😉
#PotToBlame
Scoot over on that bench… I’m with you.
There’s something about him I don’t like either, and I’m not sure what it is. But I agree with him on calling her out – she’s a lunatic who will do or say anything to create controversy and scandal, without bothering with the truth. She’s trying to sensationalize some very horrific and tragic crimes for nothing more than ratings and attention.
Me too. He’s a little too dudebro for me, I think. I know a ton of guys just like him humour-wise and type-wise (here in Canada where we spawn them regularly) so… and IIRC he’s made some dudebro comments that made me shake my head. I *want* to like him but…there’s something about him that makes my inner feminist back away.
Pot in general? No how. But if it were laced, or if he takes THC badly (like I do, which is why I stay away from it, it’s like injecting 40 gallons of caffeine in my system and I go haywire), there’s a *remote* possibility. But yeah, generally, the odds aren’t good for pot = culprit. Male entitlement/control leading to domestic violence is waaaaay more likely. Occam’s razor.
While I agree, completely, with what you’re saying here (pot not being the culprit), I do have to disagree with one small point. If we’re using Occam’s Razor here, the simplest solution is actually what Nancy is saying – and that the pot is to blame. Guy takes illegal drugs, guy kills wife. It doesn’t get simpler than that.
Oh yes because weed is illegal due to its murderous powers. You fail Occam’s razor, in which the simplest answer is that he was going to kill his wife anyway, and used pot on the same day. Probably to take the edge off you know, murdering someone.
Wait. What? Simmer down, Nerd Alert. I think I made it pretty clear in previous posts (just a few posts up, actually, did you read those?) that I’m not anti weed. Nor do I believe that this was the reason he flipped out. Nor do I like Nancy Grace. Nor do I like defending her. However, I disagree (again) that the simplest solution is that he was probably going to kill his wife anyway and smoked pot to take the edge off. You’re introducing extra variables into the equation; in addition, your new variables now require a motive in order to be a solution. WHY is he killing his wife? That requires a lot more thought than bringing together 2 simple facts in the case: 1) he smoked pot, a psychoactive drug and 2) he killed his wife. Therefore: he smoked pot, so he killed his wife. Do I agree that this is why he did it? NO. Do I think pot is THE DEVIL? NO. Do I think most people get the munchies and pass out? YES. Do I think it should be legalized? Absolutely yes! But you cannot deny that if we’re using Occam’s Razor, this is, in fact, the simplest solution. Whether you agree with it or not.
I’ll watch movies that he’s in, but I think he looks and acts (and possibly smells) like a slob. His red carpet faces and his friendship with James Franco don’t help either.
Nancy Grace will take whatever crazy stance she has to in order to get ratings. This isn’t Reefer Madness and pot doesn’t make you kill someone. I agree with Seth, Nancy Grace is a f’ing idiot
Well, quite. Pot makes people INCREDIBLY boring to the point that, if you’re not indulging yourself, you’d get more sparkling after dinner conversation from the dirty plates.
Tapioca
Dont’ speak in absolutes.
Said above. I’ve been a hardcore stoner years back. I’ve had friends that were the same. While highon weed (and only weed) crimes were committed and violence occured. Pot makes some people boring, hungry, tired, etc… It makes a small percentge paranoid, anxious, insomniacs, etc… And if you are already thinking about taking out your family it won’t make you lazy enough to stop you.
No pot is not to excuse this man’s behavior, but it’s not the passive, sedating drug that the majority has felt it to be. Not anymore.
Violence and crime occurred while smoking weed not BECAUSE of weed. THC does not make a person crazy and/or violent, there isn’t a correlation.
What Florc said. Always a good thing to avoid the goose/gander fallacy. I *wish* pot made me merely passive, happy, and stoned. 🙂
Alcohol makes people incredibly boring too – the drunken lectures with the repeating repeating repeating and if you tell a drunk you don’t want to listen to them continuallly repeat themselves, they get mad 🙂
Ha! Said she who knows not of what she speaks. In the slightest.
someone help me go to yoga instead of reading about these contentious fools.
I will, if you help me clean my dishes. Those bastards are in there having babies as I type this.
Ok, I am biased… I was raised by pot-smoking hippies and many people I know are still regular partakers.
Who cares? It obviously doesn’t cause violent behaviour. Although in some people with genetic predisposition for some mental illnesses, marijuana can actually be a trigger.
I am all for legalization. Why isn’t Nancy Grace SO outraged at all the crimes people commit while they’re drunk? If you want to go after a substance, alcohol has a much better basis for those kinds of claims.
“Although in some people with genetic predisposition for some mental illnesses, marijuana can actually be a trigger.”
Thanks for pointing that out.
Marijuana can also be the thing needed to keep you from wanting to kill someone 😉
With ya there, Melly.
LOL, Melly! 😀
Marijuana made me murder four slices of pizza and a small fries.
If I hadn’t taken that last toke, that pizza might still be alive today.
@TheOriginalKitten – bwahahaaaaa!!! Pot made me think I could sing as well as Annie Lennox until my bff told me to please stop as her ears were bleeding!
RIP pizza and all other awesome munchies that have been brutally slaughtered during marijuana fueled ravenous binges. May they be remembered
**cough**passes joint to TheOriginalKitten**
To pickles and ice cream: let my pizza story be a cautionary tale–do not endanger yourself by being in the vicinity of me and my bong.*
*total victim-blaming right there
If pizza didn’t want to be devoured, it shouldn’t have been wearing double cheese and pepperoni in the presence of bongs. Quite frankly, I think pizza was asking for it.
Pot made me believe the original Wayne’s World movie and sequels were gateway to enlightenment.
@gigi-I’m with you. I haven’t ever seen a violent weed smoker-but I have seen what alcohol can do to people, and it’s way more likely to cause them to be aggressive/violent than weed. But you are right-it’s rare, but some mentally ill people are affected by marijuana differently. And Nancy Grace is a shrieking fool.
Not just mentally ill people, in fact.
Or all the people shooting others who are not on any substance? Where’s her outrage about the recent anti-Semitic killings in OK, for example? Gah!
GiGi
You’ve stated everything much better than I have, but as alcohol can bring out bad feelings in people, pot can do the same. The feelings need to already exist, but it’s easily a trigger. Yes.
And Nancy Grace was almost always a ball buster. I’ve read a few of her books and books on her. She’s had huge tragedies in her life and walks the straight line of law. It’s what kept her from losing it before her wedding.
We all know Grace isn’t well rounded and says things for ratings. Seth engaging her is a big shame on him because now this is getting attention. And he’s making stoners look like we resort to name calling.
He needs to stfu.
Woodstock: everyone was stoned. Not single fight. What do you think would have happened if everyone had been drinking?
I am not a big fan of Dr. Drew, but even he said he’d rather run into a guy in a dark alley who was stoned on pot, than a guy who was totally drunk.
I don’t watch because, well, YELLING and misinformed on everything, but isn’t this simply an extension of Jane Velez Mitchell’s campaign to keep herself sober? Seriously, any time I’ve ever skimmed past her show, she’s on a tear about addiction. Yes, addiction is a national problem, but she takes it so personally, and she would like to eliminate every possible source of addiction, so that she doesn’t succumb to it, herself. It’s like the anti-homosexuals who rant about homosexuality, because they fear that ‘gays will turn others gay’. Know what I’m sayin’? They are talking about themselves, their fear of turning gay, because they are, so “let’s shut everything down, so I’m not tempted”.
This is precisely why I am actively campaigning against mimosas. #mimosas2blame4myraginghangover #fearthemimosa
Ha!
I know what you’re saying, Kiddo.
@mimif-you are me yesterday. Some pot would definitely help your condition right now.
With all the problems in the world, pot is not one of them. Nancy is a moron and uninformed, which in my book makes her more dangerous than your average pothead.
She’s a moron, uninformed WITH a platform to state her ignorant opinions. I totally agree, that shits dangerous….
The thing that kills me about NG is that somebody on her show will state the facts of some matter. She will not grasp what they just said, but will rant and rave and be so indignant, repeating her version of the facts, even though she doesn’t comprehend what really happened. If someone tries to correct her, she blows them out of the water with her wrong facts, or turns off their mic! The main problem is that listeners are listening to her skewed facts, and believe her version is the truth.
She’s just going off the same thing that she said during the Treyvon Martin trial. Essentially, Treyvon was high on pot/THC and that’s why he “violently attacked George Zimmerman”
Pot does not make people violent. Maybe have a violent craving for doritos, but not violent.
I once had a killer craving for some potato chips and mustard.. does that count?
She makes me want to punch my tv screen, so I quickly scan past her.
2 weeks ago,the daughter of my neighbour is dead in a car incident.The driver of the other car was totally stoned.He didn’t “see” her car and he didn’t call the help .
It should be regulated and treated like alcohol and prescription drugs that could alter response reactions.
I’m so sorry.
Pommes de terre et des oranges, I think.
Potatoes and oranges? 🙂
I’m sorry that happened to your neighbor.
This is horrible and I’m verry sorry. 🙁 And the driver of the other car is a sad excuse for a human being – mainly because he was driving under influence. In his case it was obviously pot, but it could have been alcohol as well.
It was pot. It was the morning,the young driver smoked 2 “cigarettes” before to go at work.He didn’t “see” the other car.He even didn’t think to call help. He never thought that drive under pot influence was dangerous ( he doesn’t drink ironically)
It’s sad sad
This is awful and I’m so very sorry to hear this.
Just to add on -I constantly have this argument with my uncle where he says “well once pot is legalized, everyone will be driving around high and that’s not safe.”
First of all, I’d be willing to venture that there are millions of people driving around stoned right now. People who want to smoke pot and drive will do so, regardless of whether it’s legalized or not. People have the same attitude about alcohol too, BTW.
Personally? I NEVER smoke and drive. I didn’t drive for like, 12 years anyway so I’m a naturally-nervous driver. Pot DOES mess with your reflexes, it just does. That being said, I think everyone has to make that decision for themselves as individuals. Some people can drink 4 or 5 beers and be ok to drive (NOT me). Now, they’d probably fail a breathalyzer but this same approach should be taken with people who are suspected of driving while high. If you’re not obeying the law, you face jail time.
It’s not a reason to not legalize though.
That is me. I tried it (high-driving) once a long time ago, I got as far as the front of my neighborhood before I turned around and went back home. It’s not for me. I do it when I’m a home just hanging out, never when I’m out and about..
Plus it ruins the high. I just wanna relax, not think about gear-shifting and traffic signals.
That’s tragic and sad and horrible, but pot isn’t to blame there either – the person who chose to smoke 2 joints and get behind the wheel is to blame, and only them. If someone drank a bottle of wine or took Rd painkillers and drove under the influence we’d be saying the same thing.
+1 people kill people
That’s maddening, I’m sorry. There was a single plane crash sort of close to where I live in which everyone died and it turned out that the pilot was on pot. Just because something comes from the ground it’s not a carte blanche to leave the ground under its influence. I don’t drive, but my bottle of allergy medicine says to stay away from heavy machinery. Driving under pot is a bad choice as it’s a bad choice to do it under booze.
Love Seth and dislike Nancy. I don’t totally agree with both of them however. I do believe anytime you get involved with drugs you are taking a risk on how it might affect you. It’s a pretty broad statement to state pot does not cause violent behavior.
I used to be a fan of Nancy Grace until the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart. In the early days of her disappearance, there was one particular man who became a “person of interest”. He turned out to be completely innocent. Nancy Grace, though, was sure he was the kidnapper, and she launched a media witch hunt after this man than that was unrelenting. The man became so stressed from the media scrutiny that he had a stroke and died. Unfortunately, it wasn’t until after his death that his name was cleared and the police started pursuing new persons interest. Too late for that poor man and his loved ones. Nancy Grace never said one word of condolence to this man’s family. Not one. She never took back one hateful thing that she spewed about him, even when she found out he was innocent and the stress of the ordeal had killed him. I never watched her show again after that.
So the body count piles up…..that’s two people she has shamed to DEATH. Cow.
In the words of Patsy Stone, ‘Pretty accurate so far.’ Horrible.
I do remember that woman who decided to take her own life because of this woman’s accusations. Nancy Grace has endured trauma in her life but now she seems intent upon flinging it back.
Seth is right on this one, Shame on this woman! She is a DISGRACE!
I see what you did there!
She’s the worst.
I am for legalization but probably won’t ever smoke the stuff my self. To each his own though.
I smoked lots of pot in my youth and never did one thing that was violent. I just laughed and ate. I didn’t touch it after I got pregnant and had a child. No need to go to rehab either. Now if I had to be in a room with a drunk or a pot head I think I would take the pot head any day of the week. You just never know how a drunk is going to act but you pretty much just need to put out the chips for a pot head or so that has been my experience. And don’t even get me started on drunk driving.
Nancy Grace is stupid and just trying to get people riled up. Because essentially there is not much difference between alcohol and pot. Only one is legal and socially accepted, the other not. Both can bring a person’s problems out (undetected mental issues, aggressive behavior etc.), both can also calm someone (therefore the common “have a drink” if something bad/shocking happens).
That said I’m still not a fan of pot. It’s a personal thing. I really don’t like it, to me stoned people are a bit annoying even if they are laid back and peaceful and I don’t like the smell. I also don’t see the need for pot as I never got the whole recreational drugs thing. But while … I don’t know .. some old fashioned cocktail has at least a bit of an aesthetic vibe à la Bond and 50s/60s movies, pot culture does nothing for me.
one (alcohol) is more far addictive than the other. One (alcohol) leads to more aggressive behavior than the other. One (canabis) is a real medicinal help.
and i’m a drinker not a smoker!
I would also like to add here that if she cannot be prosecuted for the piling-up body count of all the people that have offed-themselves or died under the strain of her hackneyed “journalism” , then we should go after her in a civil suit for the way she dresses.
By the hammer of Thor, what the f-ing f is she wearing!?
She’s Miss Piggy minus the glamour if Miss Piggy were a real person. (too mean?)
*sorry to offend Miss Piggy, but seriously look at that picture again.
I remember when Jenny Jones was taken off of the air when one of her guests (a young gay man) revealed his crush on someone he thought was his friend and ended up being murdered by his crush. While you can’t truly *prove* that it was her fault (though it was), there’s no reasonable debt that is owed to this woman that justifies keeping her on air when others have lost gigs over much less direct connections to untimely deaths.
I am definitelly not objective in the pot issue because i am a psychiatrist, and i am sick of treating young folks with psychotic disorders triggered by THC. Really, psychosis is no joke. I am probably for legalizing Marihuana, but please inform yourself! I have some colleages that use it in a regular basis and report a beneficial effect, but pretending that it is good for everyone is plainly irresponsible. It is like advocating use of alcohol for everyone: it can improve heart Health for some, but others might be at risk for alcoholism…
Please inform yourself!
No doubt, but the hysteria she spews is not balanced. What happens then is, people try it, especially kids, and if nothing bad happens, then they doubt the serious risks of hard core drugs. Further, perpetuating the reefer madness narrative stigmatizes casual users, with no issues, who will continue to have their lives ruined through arrests, with the laws as they stand.
I used to smoke pot, don’t anymore, for no particular reason, grew out of it, never got hooked, or went berserk.
Great post, Kiddo.
I don’t think anyone here is pretending it’s good for everyone. I grow medical cannabis for a living and appreciate the vast proven medical benefits it can provide, but I don’t personally partake because it makes me feel very uncomfortable, regardless of the strain. It’s different for everybody based on their chemical makeup, and just like any other mind & body altering substance, it should be regulated. As a digression, I think it’s disgusting that docs pass out benzos like it’s candy, so I’m not quite sure how effective that regulation will be.
Well It’s not going away and we could put taxes to better use than arresting the little guys, giving them a record to hurt employment opportunities and paying for the courts, jails, etc. We have left alcohol legal, and that has the same risks, maybe more, than pot.
Also, I hesitate to stop some forms of pharmaceutical drugs because there are addicts. Yes, they should be tracked to see if someone is gaming the system to get high. But there are people who need some of these classes of drugs therapeutically. It’s a balance in society. I wouldn’t want to take oxycodone away from terminally ill patients in Intractable pain: who cares if they can become addicted? Also, I wouldn’t want to remove the option of prescribing benzos, because they help some people sleep, or they remove life crippling anxiety.
Yep, I agree with you again. I kind of made a blanket statement about the benzos because I was still crying from your coment on the LiLo thread and couldn’t see to type. What I should have written is that Big Pharm needs to be regulated as well. I have so many friends that are hooked on benzos because they were prescribed by their docs (for legitimate reasons), without given any knowledge that it can take as little as 2 weeks to become addicted. I mean, one of them is a 65 year old grandma who was taking .5mgs a day after her husband died, and she when she quit she seized, not realizing you can’t just stop cold turkey. Benzo withdrawal is said to be worse than heroin and along with alcohol, the withdrawal can kill you. Not the kind of drug that should be handed out without some serious warnings. And now the FDA has a new painkiller on the market that makes oxy look like Tylenol? Hold me.
I apologize for the long post, totally rambling. My initial point was that while I personally would like to see cannabis legalized, regulated & taxed (and there’s a helluva lot of growers that don’t!) I’m not sure I would trust the regulation. Somebody please prove me wrong!
P.S. Your smarts scare me and you’re a great writer, Kiddo. 🙂
Calling bullshit on this entire post. Please inform yourself by picking up a dictionary before impersonating a psychiatrist. Also: facts, relevant information and studies helps. Irrelevant and ridiculous makes you look like Nancy Grace. Please inform yourself!
I took it as there is a correlation between earlier onset of certain mental health illnesses, as opposed to a causal relationship, but perhaps I misread that person’s post, and they are bullshitting.
I was thinking perhaps English wasn’t their first language, let’s all smoke a bowl and be friends. 😉
There are studies supporting that yes, but lou binna chose “some colleagues” and ridiculous parallel to alcohol and cardiovascular health for references.
Since the actual percentage of patients within the psychotic disorder spectrum at all associated with use of cannabis lou binna would have to be a very busy psychiatrist to be treating great numbers of “young folks”, especially since they usually don’t manifest until later in life.
For example: If you look at a source collecting studies Against marijuana it might list statistics like these: 8-13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to cannabis use in teen years.
A non biased source will add that cannabis is common as self medication among schizophrenics.
Source: http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/
I suggest National library of Medicine.
My allergies are so terrible today, I feel like I’m high. In a sneezing, teary eyed, miserable, out of it, sort of way.
#excusesexcuses 😉
The frontal lobe does not fully develop until around age 25. Researchers have found that adolescents and young adults who smoke pot regularly have abnormalities in areas of the brain that interconnect brain regions involved in memory, attention, decision-making, language, and executive functioning skills. Also, the cognitive effects of marijuana last longer for them. An adult’s cognitive effects can fade by the end of the day, and in younger people, the effects remained up to three days later.
So, whether that’s a psychiatrist or not, there’s plenty of science behind the fact that adolescents and young adults should give their brains a chance to reach maturation before playing with substances.
@coolwhiplite – what about the Doctors who give the kids ritalin,strattera, concerta the teachers who want the kids to be on this, so the kid will ‘behave’ the ‘moms’ who want their kids to do better in school. There are so many adverts for this kiddie speed addiction – quillivant the new liquid ritalin being aggressively to kids. Young kids are being set up for addiction by many in the system.
Hi VI, thanks for you answer, I find your critical attitude really positive, that is precisely what everybody should be aiming for in this issue.
Some clarifications:
– Relationship between cannabis and psychosis: if you are familiar with scientific methods and literature you know what a huge field we are talking about. Totally out of the scope of this forum. Just the definition of psychosis could keep us busy like forever, not even talking about risk factors or causality. In the issue occupying us here, there are many studies that describe a correlation, and some talk about causality. I don’t dare talking about causality, just correlation. You might find these interesting:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2632498/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3796266/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864503/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047001/
– I work for a facility that provides multidisciplinary care for people with severe mental diseases (mostly psychotic disorders) so that those 10% of users who have developed symptoms are the people I work with on a regular basis. That is why I meant that it is hard for me to keep an objective perspective on this matter. Also, their suffering is sometimes quite atrocious. However, I also know many folks (some of them colleagues of mine) who use cannabis and report beneficial effects. And so I would not be against legalization, but only with adequate regulation and education.
– Young folks: you know the typical age of onset for schizophrenia in males is 18-25. For the ladies there also seems to be a peak during menopause. I work with people over 18.
– I love reading posts in Celebitchy because they are usually so intelligent and articulate. Some of those posters have sometimes understated or negated the severity of effects of THC for some users, and I think for some that attitude could be dangerous.
– Also, since I am a European psychiatrist regularly working in 3 languages (English is not my first one) dictionaries are my friends! Thanks for your correction on “colleagues”, I often misspell it, now I won’t forget! 😀
-Finally, I have no idea who that Nancy Grace lady is, and after reading the thread I am not interested in finding out… too much vitriol…
Cheers!
*End of rant*
Mitch Buchanan Rocks – When an appropriate medical diagnosis is made and those meds are prescribed, they can be extremely beneficial to patients (who receive behavioral and academic counseling/support as part of the treatment). For students whose brain chemistry is naturally disrupted, the medications you’ve mentioned can be used to help rebalance their cognitive channels and help them reach the academic and social success that they may have been missing out on.
Yes, some people are wired to succumb to addiction. However, for individuals who have been correctly and carefully diagnosed, the medication that’s part of their treatment protocol is usually not a gateway to addiction. Do some people out there “pretend” they have ADD/ADHD and wrongfully use meds? Yes. Do some doctors need more training on accurate diagnosis? Yes. But that should not cast a shadow on the myriad of success stories from children and adolescents who genuinely have the disorder and have been able to reach their academic, behavioral, and social goals with the help of their treatment protocol.
@coolwhiplite thank you for this well thought out and well written response. My questions are Why is the brain chemistry of so many children being disrputed that they would need those chemicals to ‘rebalance’ their brains to begin with. And also how many are carefully diagnosed verse the alternative. It seems that with all the adverts in the magazines, especially womens magazines, that it is creating pressure on the parents to ask their doctors to give this child the medication.
Antibiotiics have been over prescribed because of patients wanting to have a ‘pill’ when they get the cold or flu. It seems that many children could be overprescribed thes adhd medications because of pressure by advertising, and the pressure to be ‘sucessful’ whatever that means these days.
My nephew is on these medications – ritalin, concerta, strattera – he’s been on these since he was a little kid. He is a bright person who takes information in better when he hears it as opposed to reading it. The tests are written only so he does lousy in school; if he could do the tests orally it would be a different outcome for him and he wouldn’t ‘need’ these meds to be ‘sucessful’ at school. He just needs to be tested differently, but I guess teachers are not allowed to think or act ‘out of the box’.
His memories of documentaries is astounding and his social skills are amazing – he can make friends every where he goes and entertain people. He is like this without the meds. When on the meds he has no appetite, sits hunched over, his voice is fuzzy and he is jittery at the same time. I also worked in retail pharmacy for a long time and saw whole families whacked out on pharmaceutical meds. Sometimes, because a parent leads a ‘medicated’ lifestyle, they also bring their children into this. It seems giving these meds to kids is wiring them for addiction because it is giving them the message that there is something wrong with who they are, that they have to take pills in order to cope – and that taking pills is an healthy way to deal with lifes problems.
“But that should not cast a shadow on the myriad of success stories from children and adolescents who genuinely have the disorder and have been able to reach their academic, behavioral, and social goals with the help of their treatment protocol.”
This. ADD/ADHD is certainly overdiagnosed; however, please don’t discount that there are children out there who legitimately need the medication in order to function. My son is one of them, diagnosed by (as well as with other diagnoses) the Kennedy Krieger Institute, who, as I’m sure you’re aware, are leaders in research & care for children with brain disorders in the U.S. Off medication, my son cannot sit still. I don’t just mean tapping a foot. I mean, physically incapable of staying in his seat. He couldn’t stay on task. He couldn’t follow instructions. He was loud. He was impulsive. He was wildly inappropriate. He would spend hours trying to do his homework and every night was a heartbreaking struggle. He wanted to badly to be like the other kids, to sit still, to pay attention – but he was physically incapable. It’s a heartbreaking thing to witness – a child who wants to be normal, who knows he isn’t like everyone else – and is physically incapable of doing so. On medication, he’s able to sit right down and go right through his homework. He can sit in his seat (some finger/foot tapping). He can pay attention. The change is unreal. For a child like mine who already faces a slew of other social stigmas due to some of the other diagnoses he has going on, the medication has been a God send. Now we can focus on handling some of the other issues (speech, social, OT) that need to be tended to. Not all of us are pumping our kids full of medication b/c we don’t want to deal with them. 🙁
Although I agree with the sentiment, blurting invectives at people is my least favorite thing about Seth Rogen.
Agree. He didn’t contribute much to the conversation by calling her names. He looks almost as silly as she does.
I don’t think pot causes people to be violent at all, but like any drug that isn’t regularized, you don’t really know what you are getting…some strands can be tainted (PCP) and can cause paranoia and anxiety, rapid heart beat. I know that sometimes when I smoke my heart starts beating fast and I’m on edge, other times I’m cool as a cucumber…all depends what mind frame you are in before you smoke and the type of grass you have. Anybody who is predisposed to lets say PTSD or anxiety might not have the best experience smoking.
People always need to take caution and a mature approach when they take drugs…that’s what people need to be educated about – not that its gonna make you kill someone – let’s collectively approach this with a smart outlook – it aint that hard, don’t know why people like Nancy are so diluted in their close mindedness.
Where are you people buying your weed? I keep seeing this PCP thing passed around on this board as fact, but y’all realize that’s an urban legend, right? Seriously, I doubt a single person who has mentioned this terrifying menace of PCP-laced pot has ever actually encountered it. You’re just repeating what you heard in D.A.R.E.
No they are not. I have seen this happen personally. It does happen, and people who buy weed usually have no idea where it comes from. The possibility of it being tainted or laced with godknowswhat are very real, unless you know the grower. There needs to be balance to this discussion.
Being that I am in Colorado I just buy it at the store. 🙂
I live in NYC so yeah – getting laced weed is possible – in fact most likely plausible!
Maybe open your mind to different demographics and not think we are just getting our information from reading D.A.R.E brochures, Its called critical thinking – maybe google it – since you clearly don’t have the capacity to grasp such an idea.
I think people worried about “laced” pot really, seriously don’t know the difference between indicas and sativas.
I don’t like Seth or Nancy, but for some reason Seth is more irritating.
I’m not a fan of pot or people who smoke it for reasons that aren’t legitimate medical problems. I do not see pot as some harmless drug that just makes people hungry and spaced out. I see at as a drug that dumbs people down long enough to have a negative effect on those around them, slows them down enough to be dangerous, and negatively affects reproductive health for both males and females. I certainly don’t like the idea of a bunch of already questionable people walking and driving around dumbed down and slowed down even more than they already are.
It’s just amazing how people think being and getting high is harmless. It’s not.
Omg, BEST comment ever! Well said.
Occasional pot use is far less destructive than alcohol. Period. I’ve smoked occasionally since I was in my teens. I’m now 61 and a responsible, hard-working person, not dumbed down or dangerous. I don’t drive when I smoke pot, just like I don’t if I have a drink. I hold a responsible job and volunteer at a cancer wellness centre. I exercise. I take vitamins. I look after my 91 year old mother who lives with me. I have great friends and a happy social life. In other words, I’m well-adjusted and normal.
Some people have addictive personalities and those are the people who can’t stop at one or two drinks, they down an entire bottle. The same applies to heavy pot smokers who can’t stop after a few tokes, they’d smoke a dozen joints a day. So it’s not a fair assumption to say you’re not a fan of pot or of people who smoke it for reasons other than medical problems – that’s like saying you’re not a fan of someone who drinks a glass of wine.
You mention alcohol as if it changes the effects of marijuana somehow. It doesn’t. It’s funny how people mention how bad alcohol can be to distract others from the ill-effects if pot. Sometimes the people who use this line of reasoning don’t even realize that that’s what they’re doing, because they bought that line themselves hook, line, and sinker.
For the record, I don’t like drunkeness either. Acknowledging that alcohol is dangerous doesn’t mean I need to start thinking of pot as harmless.
What you don’t realize is that even if the effects of marijuana are temporary and don’t cause most people long-term trouble (which is debatable), there will be a lot of people temporarily impaired. The temporary impairment of lots of people is not harmless. It affects the well-being of others, business, and even the children who are born while their parents used it.
Furthermore, when people start and stop doing the drug at different times, it means that people are doing it all the time, which means people are always temporarily impaired, which means that the public doesn’t get a break from it — the public is always dealing with people who have impaired themselves.
You’re thinking about this on a “singular, long-term” level, when this is really an issue on a “multiple, short-term” level. That is exactly the type of thinking that leads people to think that taking drugs and being high is innocuous to everyone, even those who do the drugs. That notion is false, and it’s sad that lots of people don’t realize it.
By the way, I’m not making an assumption when I say I’m not a fan of people who smoke pot for non-medical reasons, I’m stating a fact about myself. That doesn’t mean I hate these people, if that’s what you’re thinking. It simply means I don’t like that they do it, and I’d rather not be around them. It isn’t equivalent to saying I’m not a fan of someone who drinks a glass of wine, either.
“By the way, I’m not making an assumption when I say I’m not a fan of people who smoke pot for non-medical reasons, I’m stating a fact about myself. That doesn’t mean I hate these people, if that’s what you’re thinking. It simply means I don’t like that they do it, and I’d rather not be around them. It isn’t equivalent to saying I’m not a fan of someone who drinks a glass of wine, either.”
Some of my nearest and dearest drink like fish, and a few of them enjoy getting high as well. They know better than to contact me while intoxicated though (unless it’s an emergency) because I can’t stand being around sloppy drunks, or people who are high. It makes me unnerved. It’s their bodies and their health, so I figure they can do what they want within the law… so long as I get to stay out of it.
Our basement tenant smokes weed for medicinal purposes and stinks up the whole house… in fact she just lit one up a few minutes ago. Might have to get her to take it outside during the mild weather.
@Trekgirl – I’m not going to debate this endlessly as what you said doesn’t make much sense to me. I am a sane, mature, giving and rational member of society and I most definitely did not “mention that alcohol changes the effects of marijuana somehow”. Furthermore I categorically did not state how bad alcohol can be to “distract others from the ill-effects if (sic) pot.”
Both are addictive substances. Neither are good for you if you overdo them. That’s all I’m saying. Pot is not a horrible thing if used in moderation, just as wine is not bad if used in moderation. There will always be people who overdo both of these and I’m sorry for them. My sister died of alcoholism, I should know what I’m talking about.
@Trek Girl: I am confused by your logic. Essentially, people shouldn’t smoke pot because at any given time someone somewhere is impaired?
The whole point of legalization is regulation. Making sure that the pot being sold is safe for public consumption, cutting organized crime out of the picture, taxing it, and hopefully at some point having an appropriate test for drivers that are suspected of being under the influence. No one is suggesting that marijuana doesn’t impair judgement, or that it’s at all safe to smoke and drive. What people are saying is pot has a level of impairment similar to alcohol, which is a legal drug, and it also offers medicinal benefits not found in alcohol. It’s not my business if 2 people choose to get drunk in their home in the evening after their responsibilities for the day are completed, why would it be my business if they chose to smoke pot instead?
@Jaded: You’re the one who brought up alcohol to begin with, not me. My comments were about marijuana, and nothing else.
I never said that people who smoked marijuana couldn’t be productive members of society. You took my comment and made it personal, somehow reading words and statements that I never wrote. All of that is on you. I can’t help it if you read things that aren’t there and that I was never suggesting.
I suggest you read my first comment and your reply to it. You should be able to see that you brought up things I never mentioned.
To understand what I was saying, re-read the first comment, because my whole point, my whole opinion, was written there in language that isn’t difficult to understand.
Well said.
+1, Trek Girl.
@Bridget: I wasn’t talking about what people should and shouldn’t do, nor was I talking about the legal side of the issue.
In my first comment, I was talking about why I don’t like pot and what I think it does to people.
In my second comment, I was making the point that while pot may not cause many long-term problems for individuals, it does cause other problems through the temporary impairment of the individual. There won’t be just a few people using pot, though. There will be many people using pot, which means the temporary impairment of many people. A bunch of temporarily impaired people aren’t harmless, even if they are perfectly fine once they aren’t impaired.
Again, I didn’t say anything about the law. I understand that part of it, and don’t object to it.
I’m not a fan of pot and pot smokers, and I’ve said why. That was the whole point of my original comment and much of my second comment.
Any overuse of booze or drugs causes impairment, not just pot.There are many responsible people who smoke pot for medical or other reasons, just as there are many people who enjoy alcohol sensibly. There are thousands of impaired people out there, mostly because of alcohol. Drunk driving kills more people than pot does. Pot versus alcohol is a moot point in this debate, it’s up to the individual to be their own caretaker, regardless of whether they smoke a joint or drink alcohol. Overuse of either is stupid and dangerous. My sister didn’t smoke pot; she did, however, drink alcohol, way too much alcohol, and it killed her. Think on that.
@Jaded: Why do you keep talking about alcohol?
I was talking about marijuana, Jaded, not alcohol. My comments are about marijuana and nothing else.
It’s like you’re making counterarguments to arguments I didn’t make to begin with.
I’m not saying anything else to you.
Because Trek Girl lots of people on this thread are talking about alcohol, not just me so quit trying to make alcohol into something irrelevant to the topic of pot. it’s natural to discuss it because it’s a legal form of getting high and much more addictive and dangerous than pot. It’s relevant to the discussion. I told you how my sister much preferred it to pot and actually died from alcoholism. Now stop making such a big deal about it.
Well, all of the interesting, productive, healthy people of Colorado invite you to never come here, and keep your ill-informed judgments with you. We’ve been fine for quite some time, and your rudimentary perception of impairment need not apply. I’ve rarely actually heard the argument that pot is harmless, so I can’t really comment on the rest of your statement, which strikes me as a tyrade against some made up point. Kudos on using that “alcohol argument is a distraction” as a distraction, though. Well played.
Trek Girl
Watch The Union. Educate yourself.
Whether you’re baked or pickled, you’re impaired. Alcohol is legal, hell, BENADRYL is legal and so is pseudoephedrine. They all can get you f—ed up. Pot isn’t harmless, exactly, but neither is half the shit you can buy at Walgreen’s. Just like you shouldn’t drink and drive, you should get stoned and drive, and also you shouldn’t take a fistful of OTC cold medicine and drive, either. I’ve worked with junkies and addicts of all kinds, and I’d rather have an old stoner on my hall then an old alkie- weed makes you dumb but alcohol can make you psychotic. Call ME crazy, but I’ll pick dumb over psychotic any damn day of the week. And yes, it’s true that some people will sometimes have a bad reaction to pot, but statistically alcohol is more dangerous both in the short term and the long term than pot is. I don’t make the rules, here. That’s just science. If you’re totally against marijuana, then you should get on the teetotaler bandwagon and take a stand against alcohol, too.
And seriously- shut UP, Nancy Grace.
This.
Fozzie Bear finally comes clean on his stance on drugs.. and Nancy Grace
If someone got drunk and killed their family would she be saying #alcoholtoblame? Or would she place the blame squarely where it belongs: on the person that actually committed the crime?
I’ve experimented with a lot of things and let me say that pot helps me relax and NOT want to break peoples necks. Xanax…now that is some scary shi*.
Pot makes you think it’s reasonable to address Nancy Grace. But in all seriousness, whether you agree with him or not, that was a powerfully useless response to her…musings. All I got out of this was an affirmation that neither Nancy Grace nor Seth Rogen are to be taken seriously.
#taletoldbyanidiotfullofsoundandfurysignifyingnothingtoblame?
While pot is still largely illegal, including medically, opiates are prescribed in staggering numbers. It makes absolutely no logical sense and makes me wonder if the people who say there’s a conspiracy to keep marijuana down because it’s a cheap way to alleviate pain are on to something.
Oh, and Nancy Grace is a vile excuse for a human being, but we already knew that, and this is very far from the worst thing she’s ever done. Seth Rogan gives me the icks.
It is good that in your countries you have nice ethical pot sellers. In mine, which is a producer country, the dealers sell pot to young middle school kids as young as in middle or elementary grades. They drop out because they cannot handle it, and those dealers also sell them harder drugs.
I guess they do it so they get clients for life. one young boy I met used to justify his consuming because his dad did it for controlling pain, he started with pot and soon moved on to harder because he was easily led to them and could get them easily.
I have to add his life is now dedicated to addiction and cannot overcome it even with a baby on the way for him. Sad story and like those I see many in my daily work, the hook them up with weed, then move on to different things.
They haven’t released any info on his toxicology report. All they have released is the 911 transcripts. Nancy is a dumbass for jumping to conclusions. Seth Rogan is Seth Rogan. The news reported that she said on the call he had eaten a marijuana cookie. The dispatcher mixed it up and sent out info that he had been smoking. They are two very different things. If he ate a lot of edibles he might have been on “the pot” when he killed his wife. The whole situation is awful.
The edibles you buy here in CO have warning labels. You can NOT eat the whole thing. Eating a cookie is not the same as smoking a joint by yourself. You would get too stoned to smoke the whole thing and set it down…hopefully don’t start a fire. Once you eat and entire edible…unless you are putting a finger in your throat it’s in your system. A gummy bear that is about the size of 2 AA batteries next to each other (sorry cant think of a better example right now) is 10, yes 10 servings. If some one was to not pay attention to that info which probably means they are a total rookie (not a bad thing) then good lord….who knows what kind of effect that can have on someone when they have never tried it before. The tricky thing is that there isn’t really a way to tell what would be right for you except to experiment safely.
When I have purchased anything edible from one of the legal stores they have pointed out the servings per item. They tell you to take 1 serving and wait 2 hours then take 1 more serving and wait another 2 hours. You don’t buy two cookies, go home and oink them down. If this guy ate a hand full for snacks I could see how his behavior could result in some crazy sh*t happening. I think I read somewhere that he was active in the Mormon church. If that is true then I seriously doubt he was recent user of anything and wouldn’t have had much tolerance for what he was eating. The college student that jumped out of the window had over 6 times the safe levels in his system. He was an African (I think) exchange student living in Wyoming, he seemed like a really bright kid, I would guess he wasn’t a big stoner either. Tragic for all people involved as it is when senseless death occur for any reason…drunk driving, mixing oxy with booze, etc.
In my opinion the lesson is that we need to respect the directed use of all controlled substances. Be responsible and smart if you decide to partake in what ever your poison may be. Plain and simple.
Nancy Grace is an ass. I feel bad for her twins .
Nancy Grace is a massive tool, but something about Rogen puts me off even more.
For a while I hated Seth Rogen – I think it was because of his annoying laugh, and he seemed like kind of a douche. Then I ended up seeing him in a couple movies where I thought he was really good. He was in Take This Waltz with Michelle Williams, and also in this one with Barbra Streisand that I watched on a plane last week. It was a silly movie, but sweet, and Seth was good in it. I think it was called Guilt Trip. Lesson learned (for me): Form your opinions of an actor on his, well, ACTING … not on how he “seems” as a person. Because that doesn’t really matter ultimately.
I hate to say, I am not a fan of Seth Rogen. For me, there is something slightly pathetic about a grown 32 year-old man acting like a stoned frat boy. And I know he’s a huge pothead and, therefore, very defensive about his beloved marijuana, but he should realize that pot effects different people different ways and he shouldn’t be so dismissive about it’s effects and so insistent on it’s harmlessness. For example, one of my friends is a major stoner – the “wake and bake” type – and all it does is mellow him out. Another friend of mine gets violent when he smokes pot, particularly if he’s also been drinking. As for me, for whatever reason, it makes me throw up. So it does effect people differently. As for Nancy Grace – on this point, Seth is right – she is a effing dumbass, for a laundry list of reasons. I find this woman vile, vindictive and full of so much self-righteousness that she doesn’t care who she hurts. And her haircut is hideous. It looks like a helmet.
Nancy’s Graces frequent use of the hashtag #PotToBlame? reminds me of SNLs ’80s skit of the “The Church Lady” played by Dana Carvey with the catchphrase “Could it be…SATAN”! said all the time. She reminds me of “Enid Strict,” The Church Lady. She must of loved being the hall monitor in elementary school I swear, I helped put a kid in detention.
When I think of Nancy Grace’s moral outrages like this one I think of the skyrocketing prison population caused by “get tough” feel good laws and mandatory minimums. People like her, over zealous prosecutors and judges are the reason our prison population is so high. The new laws have been passed, people are more nuanced on pot and prohibition has been gone for a long time now. I am not a pot smoker or user but Nancy Grace really shows how obnoxious she really is and not just on this case but on a lot of other things too.